00:00:09.000Is there a coup against the president?
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00:01:18.000Welcome to this special episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:20.000I'm super thrilled to be joined by my friend, Dr. Keith Rose.
00:01:23.000You've been on the program a couple times, Keith, talking about the Chinese coronavirus, but also you have served in the intelligence community for a couple decades.
00:01:33.000I'll let you fill in the details as you feel comfortable.
00:01:36.000You and I have been exchanging texts and phone calls about what's happening in our country and about the potential color revolution against our president, how you think there's actually not a deep state in this country, but something a lot more insidious than that and so much more.
00:01:48.000Keith, please introduce yourself again to the audience through your intelligence background and go at it.
00:01:54.000Charlie, I want to be kind of opaque in that is just say that I've worked in the intelligence community for several decades.
00:02:02.000I've worked in countries around the world in our own hemisphere and in others.
00:02:07.000And what got, and I never mentioned this, I never talked to anyone about this until I came on my own podcast yesterday and said that I had, because what I'm seeing right now, what got me to come out and say, look, this is why I'm saying this, is that I've seen color revolutions.
00:02:25.000I've seen insurgencies in other countries.
00:02:28.000I've seen our nation, for the good of our nation, work in other countries in the intelligence world and watching the military work.
00:02:37.000And when the 2016 elections rolled around, I had something that I had trouble reconciling with myself.
00:02:43.000I was seeing our intelligence, our intelligence apparatus turned inward.
00:02:50.000And I was getting a front row view at what I saw was an insurgency.
00:02:56.000What I saw was something that I didn't want to see because I was seeing information operations being carried out here in the United States of America.
00:03:05.000And I know several other intelligence professionals, folks that have been in the State Department, folks that were in the military.
00:03:13.000We were all sitting around, some of us watching this, because we're huge supporters of our president.
00:03:18.000And we saw our president step down from his position to step in to help our nation.
00:03:25.000And it was kind of a chilling, chilling time in my life when I got some friends together and we decided we were going to help this president any way we could.
00:03:36.000So, Keith, can you walk us through what is a color revolution and why do we not have a deep state in our country?
00:03:43.000And can you just talk in factual matters that this is not some sort of chalkboard, zany-brained theory?
00:03:50.000This is a real thing that could happen in our country because, Keith, when I talk about this, it gets dismissed immediately by some of the members of the media and some people that don't want to believe it.
00:04:00.000Can you reinforce how serious this actually is?
00:04:02.000And then just take a step back and tell us what a colour revolution is.
00:04:08.000This is the most critical time in our nation's history, Charlie.
00:04:13.000The only other time our nation has even approached this state was in 1864 with the election of Abraham Lincoln.
00:04:23.000Had I believe it was, thinking who was running against Lincoln, McClellan been elected at that time, our country would have split in half.
00:04:33.000Actually, it would have split in probably three.
00:04:35.000We would have had a north, a south, because McClellan would have sued for peace, and then you would have had another country out west.
00:04:41.000And where we are right now in our country is what Abraham Lincoln said.
00:04:45.000America will never fall from enemies outside our country, but only from enemies within.
00:04:51.000And what we've had in our country, and I've been doing a lot of looking into this.
00:04:55.000I've been working behind the scenes with some other guys that I believe are patriots and men of integrity and virtue, is we're watching not the development of a deep state, but we're watching the maturity or the maturing or the completion of a Marxist counterstate that started a long time ago.
00:05:15.000And this Marxist counter state is why you see, like you talk about so much, critical race theory.
00:05:21.000We can just start right there with Marxist indoctrination.
00:05:24.000Critical race theory, anyone that supports that understands that's a tenet of Marxist indoctrination.
00:05:29.000So I would ask you, why is critical race theory being implemented for a long time in our education system, in our military, and in all branches and departments in government?
00:05:45.000If you look back in the 1930s when John Dewey, John Dewey was someone that was one of the founders, I believe, or one of the principal people in Teachers College and Columbia University.
00:05:58.000And John Dewey, during that time, went to the Soviet Union twice, and he came back and he said it was a paradise.
00:06:07.000And so he also had a famous saying at that time.
00:06:10.000And the reason I bring up Dewey is John Dewey said, Americans think they send their kids to Sunday school one hour a week, and that's all that parents get.
00:06:20.000They go to Sunday school one hour a week.
00:06:23.000We have the kids in school five days a week.
00:06:27.000And so he started that in the teaching and the education system and the Marxist indoctrination.
00:06:33.000Now, fast forward several decades, and who else do you have?
00:06:37.000Bill Ayers, an unrepentant terrorist who, again, along the same ideological Marxist communist lines, worked for the Weather Underground.
00:06:51.000And during that time, by the way, Charlie, he went to communist China and Cuba.
00:06:58.000Now, during the height of the Cold War, to go to communist China and Cuba, you don't just get on a plane and go.
00:07:03.000You had to have some type of intelligence or some type of ties that would allow you to do that.
00:07:09.000Now, he came back, he beat the rap for murdering a policeman and blowing up buildings.
00:07:15.000And instead of going to jail, he went and got his PhD.
00:07:19.000And now he teaches at Teachers College, Columbia University, and he is one of the heads of the curriculum that provides the elementary school education curriculum for over, I think, half our country and a lot of the major cities.
00:07:35.000And the reason I tell you that is to understand how the Marxist counter state rose, we first have to understand that it's real.
00:07:42.000And it's risen because it's being taught.
00:07:46.000Now, you remember we talked about Yuri Besmanoff.
00:07:54.000Well, there was another defector, Stanislav Lunev.
00:07:57.000He was the highest-ranking GRU, that's their military intelligence officer, ever to defect from the Soviet Union.
00:08:06.000And he gave an example of ideological subversion because if no one hears anything else today, I pray they understand what you're dealing with is ideological subversion that has been going on for decades.
00:08:21.000Ideological subversion is just what I spoke about.
00:08:24.000When you change the curriculum in schools and you get away from the principles of what it is to be an American.
00:08:33.000And let me briefly step back so people understand the American philosophy.
00:08:37.000Our principles are rooted in five simple things.
00:08:40.000And if you understand these five things, then you can understand what's against them.
00:08:45.000Number one is there are noble moral laws of nature and nature's God.
00:08:50.000The second thing is everyone is created equal and free.
00:08:54.000The third is we don't need government to grant us rights because all our rights come from the creator and they're inalienable.
00:09:01.000And we possess them in our natural state, no matter what color we are.
00:09:06.000Number four, the only purpose of governments is to secure those God-given rights.
00:09:12.000And the last thing is governments derive their powers from the consent of the governed.
00:09:17.000And so when you understand what the American political philosophy is, then you understand our principles of liberty.
00:09:24.000So the counter state is what they represent that is everything against our principles of liberty.
00:09:32.000We've got generations of kids that have come out the last 10, 20 or decades of kids, last 10, 20 years that don't even understand the principles of our nation.
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00:10:56.000I really want to focus on this because everyday Americans do not believe us.
00:11:00.000They do not believe that our government is actually working against the will of the people.
00:11:05.000How can you help convince people of that?
00:11:08.000Well, I can give you several examples, but before I do that, let me read to you real quick so you'll understand what we're talking about of what Lunov said when he was talking about how they do subversive ideology.
00:11:20.000And then I'm going to give you examples of our leaders today and how they're doing it.
00:11:26.000Lunev wrote, and remember, he was the head of the military intelligence for the Soviet Union.
00:11:32.000What will be a great surprise to the American people is that the GRU and the KGB had a larger budget for anti-war propaganda in the United States than it did for economic and military support for the Vietnamese.
00:11:45.000Meaning the ideological subversion budget was much larger than their actual material support for the communist Vietnamese that they were supporting.
00:11:56.000He says the anti-war propaganda cost the GRU more than $1 billion.
00:12:00.000But as history shows, it was hugely successful, a hugely successful campaign and well worth the cost because it created an incredible momentum that greatly weakened the U.S. military.
00:12:44.000That was because someone in the bureaucracy, in the military, had been ideologically subverted and they weren't going to say anything.
00:12:55.000When President Trump came into office and when he was running in 2016, remember the big article about 60 intelligence professionals signed a letter saying that he wasn't fit.
00:13:06.000One of those was a gentleman by the name of Michael Chertoff, one of the leaders in the intelligence community.
00:13:12.000He's the same Michael Chertoff that back in 2009 wrote the Memorandum of Words where he basically took radical Islamic extremists out of the counterterrorism manual completely.
00:13:26.000In fact, he enlisted the help, I believe, of the Muslim Brotherhood to help him write the counterterrorism manual.
00:13:33.000So we have a long history of this ideological subversion, and it's gotten to all points in our government.
00:13:43.000Well, can you give some examples, though, of in our government how this exists that are publicly available?
00:13:48.000I can think of a couple, such as the generals that have said that like Mattis and many others that have recently come out against the president, a completely unprecedented move where they said the president is unfit for office.
00:14:00.000And I don't want to misspeak, but paraphrasing what they were saying, they're basically saying that if we have to take things into our own hands, we will.
00:14:08.000Or whether it be Tillerson, when he was Secretary of State, talking about how the orders are not always faithfully filled out from the president, whether it be leaving Afghanistan, it seems like there's dissension within the ranks.
00:14:23.000Yes, what they're doing is they're talking about interpretation and the Constitution, the principles that we live by.
00:14:30.000You realize the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Northwest Ordinance, are part of the organic documents in the founding of this country.
00:15:15.000And at the trial, we could not, the Chief Justice Roberts would not even let them say the name of the president's accuser, Eric Carmelo.
00:15:25.000And what I find even more disconcerting is that the leader of the Senate and even the president of the Senate, I want to know why they didn't ask and say that gentleman's name, because in our nation, we have the right to know the name of our accuser.
00:15:40.000And so this type of insidious onset, now I'm not saying the Republicans are more of a controlled opposition, but you have Lois Lerner who spied on or who audited Republican groups, conservative groups.
00:15:54.000You have, I mean, you can go back to the Obama administration and Eric Holder, Fast and Furious.
00:15:59.000You can go back to giving money to Iran and how we basically subvert the law or change it or interpret it in such a way.
00:16:08.000that we don't support the Constitution because this is not a battle of right and wrong.
00:16:12.000It's a battle of evil or just the counterstate versus the American principles that we have today.
00:16:20.000When the president instituted a travel ban, he was served very poorly because they were already putting people on the planes when I say they, the counterstate, to come to this country.
00:16:30.000And the travel ban should have been carried out because it's a directive from the commander in chief under Title 50.
00:16:36.000It should have already been carried out and done.
00:16:39.000But we have a generation of civil servants and intelligence in the State Department that feel like they can interpret what the orders should be.
00:16:49.000The best example I can give you is Colonel Vinman.
00:16:52.000Colonel Vinman, who listened in on the conversation, and so many other people did, said that he didn't agree with the position the president was taking because it was against the stated position or the thought or what the State Department's policy or what they wanted to do.
00:18:03.000But here's the reality is now that we're heading up to an election and there are rumblings of a color revolution, which I really want you to build out what that is because you have experience in knowing what a color revolution is against Trump, where you now have George Kent, who has done color revolutions before in Belarus, who now seems to be working with other people to maybe do this in our country.
00:18:27.000Is that too far to say that, Keith, or is that rooted in facts?
00:18:43.000Back in 2010, you had all the key elements, which is an active counterstate, a compliant media, foreign opposition, and I'll get to that in a second.
00:18:55.000And then you had peaceful protests that were anything but peaceful because you need that in a color revolution.
00:19:02.000And so what happened is after the action in Tahiri Square, President Mubarak came out and said, okay, we'll have elections in a few months.
00:19:11.000And then that foreign influence actually came from President Obama when he called President Mubarak and said, no, you're going to step down.
00:19:21.000And now the Muslim Brotherhood was behind that.
00:19:24.000Because before that color revolution took place, the head of the Muslim Brotherhood stepped down and someone by the name of Muhammad Badi stepped up.
00:19:33.000He was previously the head of the Muslim Brotherhoods.
00:19:37.000I'll just keep it simple, kinetic division, you know, in charge of warfare, assassinations, things like that.
00:19:42.000He stepped up as the head of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and now he's serving a life sentence in Egypt.
00:19:48.000And so you saw a color revolution take place.
00:19:51.000But Charlie, the thing that counters a color revolution is what the Egyptian people did a few years later when 30 million people took to the street in a country of 80 million people and demanded became president.
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00:22:48.000And so what you're saying is the ingredients for this kind of a revolution is a counter state, a compliant media, peaceful protesters, and what else you mentioned?
00:23:05.000Foreign influence would be other governments that will push to have the change, or they will put money financially behind that to have the change.
00:23:17.000If you want to look at it from a United States standpoint, you have to delegitimize the current government or the current leader of the government in order to get a color revolution really moving full steam.
00:24:41.000All of these have a pre-violent phase, and we saw that leading up the past few years.
00:24:45.000And now we're in a very violent phase of the color revolution.
00:24:48.000So do you think it's fair to say that there are forces in our government and connected to our government that are trying to execute a form of a color revolution against Trump?
00:25:00.000Charlie, when they, one of the largest FBI cases that ever happened was the Holy Land Foundation trial.
00:25:09.000And when they found the head of the Muslim Brotherhood at that time and the FBI raided their office, they removed truckloads of boxes of documents.
00:25:18.000Of those documents that they found and introduced into evidence, not hearsay, but introduced into evidence, none of that evidence was countered.
00:25:28.000And in that evidence that they found that they showed to be true was actually the Muslim Brotherhood's stated objective here in this country, which was to destroy America.
00:25:38.000And they also found something called the phases of an underground movement plan.
00:25:42.000And that's the important part of that.
00:25:44.000And you have a lot of the Muslim Brotherhood that are currently in our government today.
00:25:48.000So I think it's important to know what they're doing.
00:26:53.000But I want to just talk about right here, right now.
00:26:55.000So the rumblings of the call revolution, we see that they have already posted the activist beacons and calls to try to occupy the White House with tens of thousands of people from now to the election.
00:27:06.000There's now a precedent for violence being excused.
00:27:09.000You saw that ridiculous book that we deconstructed, The Case for Looting.
00:27:14.000You now have Soros-funded DAs all across the country.
00:27:16.000You have Muriel Bowser, who actually might be one of the most important people in the country, because if DC had a common sense mayor, a lot of this would be shut down.
00:27:26.000And I am convinced, I want your thoughts on this, Keith, the physical terrain surrounding where the president is actually making decisions matters.
00:27:35.000The actual turf, where the protesters are.
00:27:40.000Let's say that the president fills the, I want to get into the Supreme Court part of it because I actually think that this is a unpredicted element here.
00:27:47.000There's a little uncertainty here, but I want to leave that aside.
00:27:50.000Let's say the president on election night is not able to, we're not able to determine who the winner is, okay?
00:27:56.000Because of all the ballots, it might look like the president is winning.
00:28:00.000And then the next day, there are 300,000 people that show up outside of the White House.
00:28:07.000What can decent patriots do to make sure that a color revolution through the media, through a counter state, and through the protesters, that we make sure we don't lose our republic?
00:28:19.000Charlie, what has to be done is when I started out with the thermostat versus thermometer, the thermostat president has to set the temperature for this, and he needs to do it before the elections.
00:28:32.000President Trump, no pun intended, holds the Trump card.
00:28:37.000There are several things that he can do to prevent that from happening because, like you said, the left only sees two outcomes to this election, and neither one of those has President Trump becoming president.
00:28:48.000I think the left understands that he's going to win by an overwhelming majority.
00:28:53.000But the president needs to, number one, and I think he does, recognize the situation he's in and understand that there is help out there for him.
00:29:03.000He has been firewalled since he has come into office by a controlled opposition, a Republican establishment that has not really given him the tools he needs to be successful.
00:29:16.000And I will tell you, his successes, which are numerous, are nothing short of a miracle with all the headwinds that he has had.
00:29:24.000So he would come in immediately and he needs to look at the problems who in the military have said and talked about a coup.
00:29:32.000They should get, they should have a record of, you know, they should have records put in their files.
00:29:39.000They should get reassigned overseas, right?
00:29:55.000Letters of reprimand need to go in all their files because what they're doing is seditious and it's against the uniform code of military justice.
00:30:04.000So he could put in letters of reprimand.
00:30:07.000He could also at the same time do a basically the president needs to do a proclamation to disperse.
00:30:15.000That proclamation to disperse is, he needs to do that in writing.
00:30:20.000And that has to be done prior to triggering the Insurrection Act.
00:30:23.000He would do a proclamation to disperse and give a date by which these crowds need to disperse.
00:30:32.000In the military, there's some good officers.
00:30:34.000But as you know, because of President Obama's executive order, a lot of good officers were purged.
00:30:40.000And a lot of people don't realize that during World War II, before the start of World War II, I believe General Patton was a colonel and Eisenhower was a major.
00:30:50.000Now, Eisenhower just a few years ended up being a five-star journal.
00:30:53.000So the president could look back, reach back with good advice and find solid officers that could step in and enforce the Insurrection Act, that could go in and bring people in that could protect the president.
00:31:48.000Secret Service people were hurt or something.
00:31:49.000I might have been 40 or it was in the dozens.
00:31:52.000The other thing is, this, Keith, do you agree?
00:31:54.000And Darren Beattie said this on our show, and it's a provocative idea that Trump supporters should not sacrifice the physical terrain where this conversation is going to be happening.
00:32:03.000That if this election gets being put into contention, that Trump supporting American patriots should peacefully assemble and counter the insurrectionists and the BLM people.
00:32:21.000Charlie, we are in the fight for our country like never before, and you can't be on the sidelines for this fight.
00:32:28.000And the interesting thing is, I believe that there are a lot of people out there that want to help President Trump that are being firewalled from getting to him.
00:32:37.000Because again, you understand the ideological subversion.
00:32:59.000And then the presidential, and when he, when people come to work at the White House in the office where they hire them, you need to see: is the person in there ideologically subverted?
00:33:10.000Because in President Trump's second term, he's going to have to deal with this ideological subversion.
00:33:17.000It is so bad that you would do something like take the head of the Department of Education and move them as a principal undersecretary to the Department of Defense for education and counter subversion.
00:33:31.000Give them a bigger budget because the Department of Education has had a $68 billion budget and has been using that to work against this country.
00:34:57.000I'm of the opinion that it's actually going to deflate and disperse a lot of the resources.
00:35:01.000Now, they might raise a lot of money for their candidates, but I actually think that's going to, I think that was going to be bound to happen anyway.
00:35:08.000But I think that if the president is able to fill the fifth conservative on the Supreme Court, because we have Turncoat Roberts and the other three Marxists on the Supreme Court, then that is going to be a death blow to the left that I think, quite honestly, could make this election in Trump's favor.
00:36:00.000You've heard Nancy Pelosi and several leaders talk about nothing's off the table.
00:36:05.000Well, they're threatening the American principles because the president has a constitutional right and I would say duty to appoint that person.
00:36:44.000One of those is the military support disability mission.
00:36:48.000And in that, it allows the president to activate the military intelligence services so that they can help him evaluate this insurrection and what's going on right now.
00:36:58.000So if he appoints this judge and everyone comes out quickly and rallies their support, I will let you know from firsthand experience that there's probably an airplane flying around to these different areas where they're having riots, dropping off money and information.
00:37:26.000The president has more remedies at his disposal than I believe he's being told.
00:37:33.000And there are a lot of patriots that everyone has done everything in their power to keep them out of his orbit that can help him and direct him during this time.
00:37:44.000And there are people that don't want anything other than to see him be successful because we have a president that's a leader because he identified a problem and he understands it.
00:37:54.000And there are people out there that can help him fix it.
00:37:57.000And I don't think some of his people that are close to him, I don't think they're wrong or bad.
00:38:19.000This feels much more like a revolution than a civil war.
00:38:22.000And we've had revolutionary attempts before in our country's history.
00:38:27.000And I think the only way to keep the country together is by actually getting the president reelected.
00:38:33.000I'm afraid that if Biden wins clumsily through finding ballots and all these different ways, it'll be very unhealthy for the country in a very significant way.
00:38:43.000What is your opinion to how to remedy this?
00:38:45.000Because Keith, you and I actually want to live in a stable civil country, hopefully in the next couple of years.
00:38:54.000Either the revolutionaries are going to win and the Bolsheviks are going to take over, or we're going to have the stable constitutional republic that I grew up with that you fought for so hard.
00:39:05.000How do we get back to that form of stable living?
00:39:10.000Because my opinion is a country cannot sustain a half of a decade of instability.
00:39:15.000Eventually, that is going to be, it's going to be a breaking point, right?
00:39:39.000And the way we remedy that is twofold.
00:39:43.000Number one, the same people that through willful ignorance or intentionally did not help our president when he came into office, and I'm talking about the Republican establishment, the Republicans, they need to hear your voice, that they need to get out and help the president because they will be held responsible.
00:40:01.000This country will hold together if our president is re-elected because the American people want to see the rule of law established.
00:40:38.000You know, I would recommend, Charlie, that instead of the black square on all your social media, the way we could show millions of people support our president is put a flag on it.
00:40:48.000If you had 100 million flags on different social media accounts, you would see the support for our president.
00:41:02.000But we could show, if we show the elites and those that think that they can rule over us against the principles of liberty, we could do it something simple like that and drive it.
00:41:13.000Because when the president is re-elected, I believe he'll deal with a lot of these problems that's cracked our country.
00:41:18.000Well, and I think that an outside group such as ours will begin the planning stages for peaceful, that's right, peaceful, we're not BLM Inc., physical demonstrations the minute that there is not a winner in every state capital across the country, especially in the battleground states where the state counting is happening, the ballot counting.
00:41:37.000And this Roger Stone, God bless him, he was the only one back when the ballots were being counted in Tallahassee, Bush versus Gore, when all the gore paid union protesters are out there.
00:41:48.000Roger Stone was like, why don't we have anyone up there?
00:41:50.000And so then he drove up all of his friends and just 100 Bush supporters changed the landscape of the media coverage from gore people to all of a sudden a debate looms over.
00:42:00.000It's a completely different representation when there were Bush flags and they were, and you understand that because what the left wants is a dominance of the streets.
00:42:10.000Can you just reinforce how important that is that it's important that you leave your home and you go speak to your mother?
00:42:35.000So you are not going to sit this one out whether you want to or not.
00:42:39.000The difference is, are you going to be a part of the greatest event in our country ever, I think, to re-elect President Trump and put us on a path back to the principles of America?
00:42:54.000Or are you going to be one of those that sat by and said, you know, I'm just going to, I'm going to raise my fist and sit in a chair.
00:42:59.000And they're not going to let you, by the way.
00:43:01.000They're going to come to your house eventually.
00:43:03.000Because if anyone understands insurrection, if anyone understands Marxist ideology, it never stops.
00:43:12.000I would encourage the president to set up a good task force outside his take his head of his COVID task force, add people to it to get a handle on that so we can get our economy continued moving.
00:43:25.000I would have the president get a good person in the military, and there are a lot of them out there, that could put into motion how they would deal with this insurrection.
00:43:34.000I would be firing out letters of reprimand to these people that are outright being seditious and breaking the business.
00:44:21.000The head of the Russian Joint Chiefs of Staff was a guy named Akra Mayoff.
00:44:28.000And Akra Mayoff was the head of the Soviet, the Communist-Soviet Joint Chiefs.
00:44:33.000And when the wall fell and communism was destroyed in 1991, he committed suicide.
00:44:39.000And he wrote in his note, all that I have believed in and fought for has been destroyed.
00:44:46.000When free people get out and demand freedom and they do it in the right way, communism, Marxism, whatever is eating at the fabric will be defeated.
00:45:36.000I'm going to be speaking at some events because I believe this is a time.
00:45:41.000I never talk about my past, but it's a time that has to be spoken about because I've had a front row seat at, you know, we could do a whole show on the failures of our intelligence community.
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