The Charlie Kirk Show - CNN’s Tape: “Bombshell” or Dud? with Senator Josh Hawley

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, we unpack the CNN tape that is being used against Trump.

00:00:06.000 And then Senator Josh Hawley joins us to react.

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00:01:11.000 Yesterday, there was some bombshell news, allegedly bombshell news.

00:01:15.000 CNN mysteriously, we do not know how, was able to obtain the audio file that was the main component of the indictment against Donald Trump in Florida, not the indictment in New York.

00:01:30.000 Around this is this conversation that President Donald Trump has to what appears to be journalists.

00:01:39.000 I don't know if Mark Meadows was there, but it was kind of a typical Trump conversation in the sense where he was entertaining.

00:01:47.000 He was leading the conversation.

00:01:50.000 And we're going to play the entire thing.

00:01:52.000 It was Mark Meadows' book writers, his ghost writers that were there.

00:01:56.000 It was the two writers working with Meadows to write a memoir.

00:02:00.000 And here's a, we're going to go through this with many guests because this piece of evidence is the one that is being used most against Donald Trump.

00:02:09.000 We think that this is in New Jersey, and that matters a lot.

00:02:13.000 It very well could be in Florida.

00:02:15.000 There are a lot of questions around the Presidential Records Act.

00:02:20.000 If this is the best piece of evidence that Jack Smith has, this should infuriate you.

00:02:26.000 Look, the New York Times, their entire business model, Washington, D.C., it's all about leaks and recordings and the whole thing.

00:02:34.000 And basically what we're at is, hold on a second.

00:02:37.000 We're going to try to put Donald Trump in prison for 100 years because he ruffled some papers and you're a writer.

00:02:45.000 The Espionage Act and the way that these laws were written, the intent of these laws was not to try to prevent braggadocia amongst friends or guests of former presidents.

00:02:57.000 It was to say, hey, don't sell state secrets.

00:03:02.000 Did Donald Trump do what Joe Biden did and get millions of dollars of wire transfers with his son as a proxy?

00:03:10.000 Now, remember, these are the same outlets that make a business out of publishing intel agency press releases.

00:03:16.000 This is a selective edit designed to paint a narrative.

00:03:20.000 I'm going to play the entire thing for you.

00:03:22.000 I want you to listen to it carefully.

00:03:24.000 I think it's really important for you to hear the entire conversation of what Donald Trump is obviously entertaining a group of people at a club.

00:03:35.000 Says, look at these documents here.

00:03:37.000 And there's one part that is going to be the most difficult for President Trump's legal team to overcome, V. Jack Smith, where he said, you see, I couldn't, I can't declassify it now, but I could have when I was president.

00:03:52.000 So let's play the entire thing.

00:03:53.000 This is supposedly a bombshell story.

00:03:55.000 Do not know how CNN obtained this information.

00:03:59.000 There's only a couple of potential explanations.

00:04:04.000 It could be leaked by Jack Smith or it could be leaked by one of the writers on Mark Meadows' team.

00:04:11.000 One of the two.

00:04:12.000 And again, this is a selective edit designed to paint a narrative by somebody.

00:04:18.000 We know the Department of Justice loves to leak.

00:04:21.000 They're likely doing this leak as a way to try to muddy up the jury pool in Florida.

00:04:28.000 So let's listen to the entire thing.

00:04:29.000 This year, I want you to listen to it.

00:04:32.000 And I want you to think very carefully and closely as you're listening to that.

00:04:36.000 Is this worth putting Donald Trump 100 years in prison and indicting an active presidential candidate, dividing the country because Donald Trump took some papers and said, look here, this is off the record.

00:04:47.000 That is worth putting someone in prison when Hillary Clinton can smash devices and Joe Biden can run an international crime syndicate? 0.96

00:04:56.000 Here's the entire tape.

00:04:57.000 It's two minutes long.

00:04:58.000 You be the judge.

00:04:59.000 Play cut 29. 0.94

00:05:00.000 Bit sick people.

00:05:03.000 That was your coup, you know, against you.

00:05:06.000 Well, it started right at the time.

00:05:07.000 Like when Millie's talking about, oh, you were going to try to do a kick.

00:05:11.000 They were trying to do that before you even were sworn in.

00:05:13.000 That's right.

00:05:14.000 Trying to overthrow your election.

00:05:16.000 Well, with Millie, let me see that.

00:05:18.000 I'll show you an example.

00:05:20.000 He said that I wanted to attack Iran. 1.00

00:05:26.000 Isn't it amazing? 0.97

00:05:27.000 I have a big pile of papers.

00:05:28.000 This thing just came up.

00:05:29.000 Look.

00:05:31.000 This was him.

00:05:33.000 They presented me this.

00:05:34.000 This is off the record, but they presented me this.

00:05:37.000 This was him.

00:05:39.000 This was the Defense Department and him.

00:05:42.000 We looked at him.

00:05:43.000 This was him.

00:05:43.000 This wasn't done by me.

00:05:44.000 This was him.

00:05:46.000 All sorts of stuff.

00:05:47.000 It's pages long.

00:05:50.000 Wait a minute.

00:05:51.000 Let's see here.

00:05:56.000 I just found, isn't that amazing?

00:05:58.000 This totally wins my case, you know.

00:06:00.000 Except it is like highly confidential secret.

00:06:04.000 This is secret information.

00:06:06.000 Look at this.

00:06:07.000 You attack.

00:06:09.000 Hillary would print that out all the time. 1.00

00:06:13.000 She sent it to Anthony Weiner. 0.99

00:06:16.000 The pervert. 0.98

00:06:19.000 By the way, isn't that incredible? 0.99

00:06:20.000 Yeah.

00:06:21.000 I was just saying, because we were talking about it.

00:06:23.000 And he said he wanted to attack Iran.

00:06:28.000 He said it. 0.96

00:06:30.000 This was done by the military, given to me.

00:06:34.000 I think we can probably get it.

00:06:36.000 I don't know.

00:06:37.000 We'll have to see.

00:06:38.000 Yeah, we'll try to figure out a president.

00:06:42.000 I could have deep lesson.

00:06:44.000 No, I can't.

00:06:47.000 Isn't that interesting?

00:06:48.000 Yeah.

00:06:48.000 It's so cool.

00:06:52.000 And you probably almost didn't believe me, but now you believe me.

00:06:55.000 No, I believe.

00:06:56.000 It's incredible, right?

00:06:58.000 Bring some cokes in, please.

00:07:00.000 That's how you know the audio is legit.

00:07:02.000 I hate to say it, but bring some cokes in, please.

00:07:06.000 Man, I love President Trump.

00:07:07.000 God bless him.

00:07:08.000 A few things here.

00:07:09.000 First, the president's power to declassify documents is unlimited.

00:07:12.000 One can very easily and strongly argue that simply by taking the document with him, Trump was declassifying it.

00:07:20.000 The idea that our laws were designed to throw an elected president in jail for mishandling classified documents is simply ludicrous.

00:07:28.000 Now, should President Trump have been that trusting of ghost writers with that?

00:07:34.000 Who knows?

00:07:35.000 The entire concept of classified documents exists to assist the president in carrying out his executive office duties.

00:07:43.000 But we can expand this even more.

00:07:44.000 What information did Trump even share with the reporter?

00:07:47.000 He seems to have literally just briefly just flashed some papers.

00:07:51.000 The reporter didn't get a copy.

00:07:52.000 They didn't get to read it.

00:07:53.000 Trump might even have been BSing with the reporter.

00:07:56.000 Who knows?

00:07:57.000 Trump might have been saying something was confidential when it wasn't.

00:08:00.000 It could have just been pure braggadocia. 0.99

00:08:03.000 The big picture fact is that it's ludicrous to menace President Trump with 100 years in prison over this garbage. 0.99

00:08:11.000 And that's what it is. 1.00

00:08:12.000 This is garbage. 1.00

00:08:13.000 Hunter Biden gets probation for literally texting the Chinese, quote, give me money or else my dad and me will use the U.S. government to mess with you. 0.99

00:08:22.000 You really have to take a step back in this.

00:08:25.000 It's critical.

00:08:26.000 And remember why we have these laws.

00:08:30.000 What was the intent of these laws?

00:08:32.000 This is one of the biggest issues with these old laws that were written for a very specific thing that never get updated on our books.

00:08:39.000 As Cicero famously said, the more laws, the less justice.

00:08:43.000 Because the more laws you have, the administration of justice is then wholly dependent on the law enforcement agencies. 0.87

00:08:52.000 Show me the man, I'll show you the crime is what the Soviets used to say. 0.84

00:08:55.000 So when you have a criminal code, Blake would know, I think it's 10,000 statutes.

00:09:00.000 They just flip through it and they say, which one can we possibly get Trump on?

00:09:03.000 Oh, documents.

00:09:05.000 Something that every other leader played loose with.

00:09:10.000 Every single other leader played loose with.

00:09:14.000 Were any of the documents disappeared?

00:09:16.000 Did the government get the documents back?

00:09:19.000 Were the documents sold to the Chinese, to the Russians?

00:09:21.000 Were the documents sold to the North Koreans?

00:09:26.000 In that tape, did Donald Trump have Kim Jong-un over and said, hey, Kim, 10 million.

00:09:34.000 10 million.

00:09:35.000 And again, the biggest argument, if you watch cable television, is, oh, why did he have all these documents?

00:09:40.000 This is the most simple explanation ever.

00:09:42.000 Donald Trump loves memorabilia, period.

00:09:45.000 He just likes collecting that stuff.

00:09:48.000 Someone says, Paul, Charlie, the first line exonerates Trump.

00:09:50.000 He immediately says, let me see those, referring to the papers you're shuffling.

00:09:54.000 Do not let this tape fool you.

00:09:56.000 Yeah, there's a question.

00:09:57.000 Where is this document?

00:09:58.000 They didn't find it in the raid.

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00:11:10.000 James Madison, the father of the United States Constitution, famously wrote, it will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.

00:11:28.000 When you have 5,200 federal crimes on the books and you have an FBI and a DOJ that are sworn enemies of you, the American people, when you have a media and a central intelligence agency and an entire apparatus that wants Donald Trump dead, why do they want Donald Trump dead so badly?

00:11:49.000 It's because of his tweets?

00:11:51.000 Because of his attitude?

00:11:51.000 No, those are just excuses that ruling class people give to their friends.

00:11:55.000 Cocktail hour.

00:11:57.000 No, it's because you're in the room.

00:12:00.000 Steve Bannon said earlier today, it's because you have a seat at the table.

00:12:03.000 He lets you into the room.

00:12:05.000 Yeah, there is some personal issues with Trump people have, no doubt.

00:12:10.000 But he takes a sword to neoliberalism.

00:12:15.000 He takes open borders, endless wars, and these silly trade deals that deindustrialize the country, and he puts them on trial.

00:12:24.000 Turns out that it's amazingly popular for the American people to have a government that actually cares about their wages, their wealth, and their livelihood.

00:12:36.000 On Cut 34, Donald Trump sits down with Brett Baer and says there was no document.

00:12:41.000 That was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about Iran and other things.

00:12:46.000 Now, I can already tell you what's going to happen here.

00:12:48.000 I could see it happening. 0.73

00:12:49.000 I see it happening on the fringes with Lawrence Tribe and all these maniacs.

00:12:53.000 They're going to accuse Donald Trump of destruction of this document.

00:12:56.000 I guarantee it.

00:12:56.000 They're already starting to do that.

00:12:59.000 But since the document is missing, they're going to say, oh, Donald Trump burned it.

00:13:04.000 Which, again, you're innocent until proven guilty.

00:13:06.000 If you can't find the document, that's not Donald Trump's fault.

00:13:10.000 What document is it?

00:13:10.000 It's an audio tape, not a videotape.

00:13:12.000 What was he looking at?

00:13:13.000 Maybe you can't find the document because maybe Donald Trump was holding up the Wall Street Journal and was saying it was a classified document.

00:13:20.000 Play cut 34.

00:13:22.000 When I said that I couldn't declassify it now, that's because I wasn't president.

00:13:26.000 I never made any bones about that.

00:13:28.000 When I'm not president, I can't declassify them.

00:13:31.000 That's what you said.

00:13:31.000 You did that.

00:13:33.000 I said, no, no.

00:13:34.000 I said I couldn't declass it.

00:13:35.000 You could have that classified document.

00:13:37.000 Brett, there was no document.

00:13:39.000 That was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about Iran and other things.

00:13:45.000 And it may have been held up or may not, but that was not a document.

00:13:48.000 I didn't have a document per se.

00:13:50.000 There was nothing to declassify.

00:13:51.000 These were newspaper stories, magazine stories, and articles.

00:13:54.000 I'm just saying about the indictments.

00:13:56.000 Ooh, newspaper stories and magazine stories.

00:14:00.000 The government is now going to have to prove via an audio file when you do not have the document in question.

00:14:05.000 Isn't it fundamental in any sort of criminal prosecution that you typically need either the murder weapon or some sort of, I mean, I'm just talking in a murder case, but you need some sort of piece of evidence that pertains to the crime itself.

00:14:19.000 Physical evidence is what I'm, thank you, what is what I'm grappling towards.

00:14:24.000 I'm not saying that it's impossible to convict without it, but Donald Trump's attorneys can easily say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on a second.

00:14:32.000 You have a piece of audio where the president very well could have been engaged in entertainment and pseudo-bluster.

00:14:41.000 Kind of saying, oh, yeah, look here.

00:14:43.000 Where's the actual piece?

00:14:45.000 And I mean, do you have a picture?

00:14:47.000 Do you have a video?

00:14:48.000 Do you see him holding it up?

00:14:50.000 Did they touch the document?

00:14:52.000 Did they internalize what was on the document?

00:14:54.000 Now, that's not the only thing Donald Trump is facing with criminal indictment, but this is the one right now.

00:15:00.000 Whoever leaked this, Mark Meadows or Jack Smith or whoever, because this is not, this piece of tape is not easily accessible.

00:15:10.000 You can't just get it through FOIA.

00:15:11.000 This is current evidence in an active criminal prosecution.

00:15:17.000 But it should just infuriate you.

00:15:19.000 This is what they indict Donald Trump on on fictitious paperwork stuff.

00:15:25.000 Literally paperwork.

00:15:26.000 Hillary Clinton is smashing email devices all over the place. 1.00

00:15:30.000 Joe Biden is selling out the country as a traitor to the United States.

00:15:34.000 And Donald Trump is hosting friends with a bunch of documents and all this.

00:15:37.000 And you have an audio tape.

00:15:39.000 And this is where you're going to put him in 100 years in prison?

00:15:43.000 No, this is nonsense.

00:15:45.000 This tape, I actually think, I'm not saying it's good for Trump.

00:15:49.000 I don't think it's bad for him, though.

00:15:51.000 This is not a sealed and shut case for the prosecution.

00:15:56.000 At all, I am immensely curious who these people are in the room.

00:16:01.000 Who are recording?

00:16:02.000 Are they leaking?

00:16:03.000 Who was there?

00:16:04.000 I'm very, very, very curious.

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00:16:43.000 Okay, joining us now is Senator Josh Hawley, author of the new book, the excellent book, Manhood, which I encourage you to check out, The Masculine Virtues America Needs by Senator Josh Hawley.

00:16:56.000 Senator, thank you for joining the program.

00:16:57.000 The breaking news today is the Trump tapes, and it seems to be that we're missing a bigger story in the CNN tapes, and it's that Donald Trump was critiquing the military-industrial complex.

00:17:08.000 Senator, is it conceivable that if Donald Trump was not in the presidency, we could have actually gone to war with and or still be at war with Iran?

00:17:18.000 Senator Hawley.

00:17:20.000 Yeah, thanks for having me, Charlie.

00:17:21.000 It is very possible.

00:17:23.000 I mean, it's very conceivable.

00:17:25.000 We know that certainly those in the permanent war complex and the neocon side are always agitating for more conflict, war, war, war, war, Ukraine, everywhere else.

00:17:36.000 So, I mean, listen, I think that President Trump was a restraining influence.

00:17:40.000 There's about it, and he was criticized for it at the time.

00:17:43.000 I mean, I came to the Senate in 2019, so just the last two years of Trump's presidency, and I remember the neocons criticizing him constantly saying that he was too slow to respond and that he was too averse to conflict.

00:17:57.000 It's like, well, that's probably a good thing.

00:17:59.000 I mean, trying to rebuild America, make this country strong.

00:18:02.000 That's the kind of focus we need.

00:18:03.000 Yeah, and you have been courageous, especially even on NATO expansion.

00:18:08.000 I think you were the lone voice.

00:18:11.000 But, Senator, you know, I was chatting with the team yesterday after we were playing the ridiculous comments from Senator Graham, which I'm not going to ask you to respond.

00:18:19.000 I understand Senate congeniality and having to be close to everyone.

00:18:22.000 But what I do think is interesting is how the media doesn't just have a left-wing bias.

00:18:27.000 It has a neoconservative bias.

00:18:29.000 Have you seen this, Senator Hawley?

00:18:31.000 Have you experienced this where not only yeah, so talk about that?

00:18:35.000 I don't think we pinpoint how the media have become basically cheerleaders for the warmongering machine. 0.97

00:18:41.000 Yeah, it's because the left and parts of the right now share this common belief in globalism.

00:18:48.000 So it's really a globalist impulse.

00:18:50.000 And the liberal form of that is, is they want us absolutely spending money fighting other people's wars.

00:18:57.000 They don't ever really want us to fight any wars that are in our own interests, but they want us fighting other people's wars.

00:19:01.000 They're happy at the same time to have us pursuing ruinous trade deals.

00:19:06.000 The left has become huge advocates of these globalist trade deals that hollow out our industry, that empower China, that drain our jobs away.

00:19:16.000 And if you question any of that, then they scream isolationist, isolationists.

00:19:20.000 Where is the great tradition of American nationalism?

00:19:23.000 That's what we really need to revive.

00:19:25.000 I mean, the tradition of Abraham Lincoln, founder of the Republican Party, of Theodore Roosevelt, and yes, Ronald Reagan, who was a nationalist, but that is not what the media or the permanent Republican establishment in D.C. is for at all these days.

00:19:40.000 They're all globalists.

00:19:41.000 And this is one of the reasons that we have a disagreement, a fight within the party.

00:19:45.000 Are we going to be nationalists?

00:19:46.000 Are we going to rebuild this country?

00:19:48.000 Are we going to bring jobs back to this country and working people?

00:19:51.000 Or are we going to be globalists?

00:19:53.000 And the people who benefit from that is always Wall Street and multinational corporations.

00:19:57.000 So let's play a piece of tape here.

00:19:59.000 This is 28, where Donald Trump said, no, I actually didn't want to go to war with Iran.

00:20:04.000 Play cut 28.

00:20:06.000 Well, with Millie, let me see that.

00:20:09.000 I'll show you an example.

00:20:10.000 He said that I wanted to attack Iran. 1.00

00:20:17.000 Isn't it amazing? 0.97

00:20:17.000 I have a big pile of papers. 0.97

00:20:19.000 This thing just came up.

00:20:20.000 Look, this was him.

00:20:24.000 They presented me this.

00:20:25.000 This is off the record, but they presented me this.

00:20:28.000 This was him.

00:20:30.000 This was the Defense Department and him.

00:20:32.000 All sorts of stuff.

00:20:33.000 Pages long.

00:20:35.000 This totally wins my case, you know.

00:20:37.000 Except it is like highly concerned.

00:20:41.000 This is secret information.

00:20:43.000 Look at this.

00:20:44.000 You attack.

00:20:46.000 Hillary would print that out all the time. 1.00

00:20:50.000 She sends it to Anthony Weiner.

00:20:54.000 So Senator Hawley, what you have here is showing that Donald Trump was pushing back against the military-industrial complex.

00:21:01.000 I believe you were a senator at the time.

00:21:03.000 Let's go back.

00:21:04.000 There was all this clamoring after, you know, going after, I think it was Cassamani, and this kind of brewing tension with Iran.

00:21:13.000 I'm glad we did not go to war with Iran. 0.63

00:21:16.000 That would be detrimental to the country.

00:21:17.000 Soleimani, yes.

00:21:19.000 And so, Senator, talk about how the I think there's another motive here, which is to go after Donald Trump because he has heterodox foreign policy.

00:21:29.000 Your thoughts, Senator?

00:21:30.000 Well, I think that there's no doubt that the establishment wants Trump eliminated because he is currently the leader of the conservative movement.

00:21:39.000 He's the leader of the Republican Party.

00:21:40.000 This administration wants him gone because he's Joe Biden's most formidable opponent, and he's going to be the nominee.

00:21:45.000 I mean, I just think it's as simple as that, Charlie.

00:21:47.000 It's all politics.

00:21:48.000 On the right, you have a strong contingent of people, many of them in Congress, who, of course, hate Donald Trump, and they may pay lip service to him in public, but they hate him.

00:21:58.000 They hate the fact that the voters chose him twice as the Republican nominee, probably going to choose him again a third time.

00:22:04.000 They hate that fact.

00:22:05.000 And one of the reasons they hate him is they're globalists and he's not.

00:22:09.000 And they just, they hate that.

00:22:10.000 You know, he's a nationalist.

00:22:12.000 And you can agree or disagree with particular decisions he made, but there's no denying the fact that Trump is not a globalist.

00:22:18.000 And I think that many, many establishment Republicans detest that about him and they want him gone.

00:22:24.000 So I think it's all politics.

00:22:26.000 What you're seeing with this DOJ and Trump is all politics.

00:22:29.000 It's Joe Biden trying to get rid of his opponent.

00:22:32.000 I don't see Joe Biden who had thousands of classified documents.

00:22:35.000 Where's the indictment against him?

00:22:37.000 How about Hunter Biden?

00:22:38.000 I mean, nothing.

00:22:39.000 So it's a joke.

00:22:40.000 It's all political, and everybody can see that.

00:22:43.000 So, Senator, I want to shift gears for a second.

00:22:44.000 And this is just more of a question of are you feeling whispers or even vibrations or hall chatter?

00:22:50.000 Senator, the Joe Biden crime syndicate is becoming harder and harder for even the most loyal Democrats to defend.

00:22:58.000 Are you seeing in the Senate at all any sort of unease, nervousness about from the Democrats that this Joe Biden stuff might be very serious?

00:23:07.000 Or is it just business as usual, not a big deal?

00:23:09.000 I'm curious kind of what you're feeling and seeing, because from an outsider's perspective, not being in the halls of Congress, this seems to be one of the most cut and dry cases of American betrayal for cash that I've seen in quite some time.

00:23:23.000 Well, I think they're worried about it.

00:23:24.000 I think one indicator of that is, you know, the Judiciary Committee the other day, we were having what's called a markup at the business meeting.

00:23:31.000 We're sitting around there and working on different bills.

00:23:34.000 And at the end, Republican senators said, now let's talk about the latest revelations from the whistleblower and Joe Biden.

00:23:39.000 Let's talk about the fact that a very credible source is alleging $5 million paid to then Vice President Biden from Burisma.

00:23:47.000 Let's talk about the fact that a whistleblower, different one, is now alleging that the DOJ interfered with the investigation into Hunter Biden total corruption.

00:23:57.000 And you know what?

00:23:58.000 Rather than just sit there and listen to Republicans talk, just talk, Charlie.

00:24:02.000 You think, oh, what's the harm?

00:24:03.000 Let the Republicans talk.

00:24:04.000 No, the Democrats gaveled out the hearing. 0.80

00:24:06.000 They didn't want to sit there because there were cameras.

00:24:08.000 And they're like, no, we're done.

00:24:10.000 We're done.

00:24:11.000 This is over.

00:24:11.000 We're not even going to sit here and listen to it.

00:24:13.000 That tells me they are afraid of this whole topic.

00:24:16.000 They don't want to talk about it.

00:24:17.000 They don't want to acknowledge it.

00:24:18.000 They know that the corporate media will never ask about it.

00:24:22.000 So they're good so long as this doesn't actually take place in public, this discussion.

00:24:26.000 So I think they're very worried and they should be worried because we have whistleblower after whistleblower now from the IRS, from DOJ, from the FBI coming forward and saying we've got corruption all around the Bidens.

00:24:39.000 And I just go back to something they used to say about President Nixon.

00:24:42.000 The American people deserve to know whether or not their president is a crook.

00:24:47.000 And if I were Joe Biden, I would want to clear things up, but he sure doesn't seem to want to, Charlie, and that tells me a lot.

00:24:53.000 Yeah, and I can just hear the cattlewalling from the media and from the Senate if and when impeachment proceeds, which I want to ask you about in a second, where they say, oh, this is reckless.

00:25:03.000 Hold on a second.

00:25:03.000 You have lost all moral high ground on any complaining about impeachment after the trash that you made us live through with Donald Trump's two impeachments.

00:25:13.000 Senator, if the House proceeds impeachment inquiry, do you think the Senate will even conduct a trial?

00:25:19.000 Will they just kind of set it aside?

00:25:21.000 I can't imagine Chuck Schumer will even take it up as a trial.

00:25:24.000 Senator, your thoughts.

00:25:26.000 Well, it's a good question, Charlie.

00:25:28.000 I need to review the rules and see if he has the ability just to ignore it.

00:25:31.000 I'm not sure that he does.

00:25:32.000 It comes over, if there is an impeachment, the House votes for impeachment.

00:25:36.000 Then, of course, it comes over to the Senate.

00:25:39.000 And I believe once it comes over to the Senate, it is the pending business of the Senate until the Senate does something with it.

00:25:45.000 So I guess the Democrats could just say, well, let's just vote to acquit without any trial.

00:25:49.000 I mean, let's just not do anything and just vote right now.

00:25:51.000 But boy, that looks bad.

00:25:53.000 You talk about stonewalling.

00:25:54.000 I mean, you talk about a cover-up.

00:25:57.000 That looks like a cover-up.

00:25:58.000 Listen, I think it is important.

00:25:59.000 What we have seen out of this Justice Department is that this is a Justice Department that systematically abuses the rule of law to go after ordinary Americans, calling parents domestic terrorists and activating the FBI's counterterrorism division against them, going after Catholic churches, parishes, infiltrating them.

00:26:19.000 Now we have all of the whistleblowers alleging corruption around the Bidens.

00:26:24.000 All of those things.

00:26:25.000 We need to get the truth on all of them.

00:26:26.000 That's why I think an impeachment inquiry is important here.

00:26:29.000 This investigation needs to be done in public.

00:26:31.000 The American people deserve to know how the most powerful law enforcement arm in the nation is being used or, frankly, misused in order to go after political opponents and, frankly, to silence ordinary Americans.

00:26:44.000 This is very, very dangerous.

00:26:45.000 And Merrick Garland, he should have resigned long, long ago, and it's time that he be held accountable.

00:26:50.000 I'm just making sure I'm understanding.

00:26:52.000 Do you think it's time for the House to proceed on impeachment inquiry and a vote to send it to the Senate?

00:26:58.000 Yes, I think they should absolutely open an inquiry.

00:27:00.000 I've called for this for months.

00:27:02.000 I think it's important they do it in public.

00:27:03.000 I think there should be public hearings.

00:27:05.000 This should all be done so the public can see it.

00:27:07.000 It ought to be extremely thorough to build the case, and then they absolutely send it over to the Senate, and let's see the evidence they've got.

00:27:13.000 But I think this is important, Charlie.

00:27:15.000 Senator Josh Hawley, check out his new book, Manhood.

00:27:18.000 It is excellent.

00:27:18.000 Senator, thank you so much.

00:27:20.000 Thanks for having me.

00:27:24.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:27:29.000 The FBI went after him.

00:27:30.000 It's terrible.

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00:28:25.000 In the spirit of do these people actually want to be president, I want to share with you a pretty interesting poll.

00:28:32.000 Again, I don't like these tracking polls very much.

00:28:36.000 I think you can overemphasize them, but I want to, there is one that's really interesting.

00:28:41.000 So one of our speakers at our Turning Point Action Conference is Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:28:45.000 I like Vivek a lot.

00:28:46.000 Again, I'm a Trump guy, but I like him a lot and I wish him well and I'm glad he's running.

00:28:52.000 So there's a new poll that shows out of nowhere.

00:28:54.000 Vivek Ramaswamy has spiked to 6%.

00:28:57.000 Now, that's nothing massive, but it's considerable.

00:29:00.000 It's increasing.

00:29:02.000 It says Mike Pence is 7%.

00:29:04.000 Who are these people?

00:29:05.000 I would like to meet you.

00:29:06.000 Anyway, but what changed for Vivek Ramaswamy to now beat Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, Chris Christie?

00:29:18.000 What did Vivek decide to do?

00:29:21.000 Vivek took our advice here on this program, our public advice on Twitter that we received ridicule and mockery and condemnation for from a lot of people on Twitter.

00:29:32.000 You could actually look at the tracking polls.

00:29:34.000 Vivek was the only presidential candidate to go down to Miami, Florida, and to stand with Donald Trump.

00:29:41.000 Why didn't Ron DeSantis do it?

00:29:42.000 I don't know.

00:29:43.000 Mike Pence wouldn't expect him to be there.

00:29:45.000 But these candidates want Donald Trump in prison for their own political expediency.

00:29:49.000 They also don't like him, but it's just not even in their own political self-interest, which I just can't get over, quite honestly.

00:29:56.000 You know, in certain high society circles, I am brought in as the ombudsman, the explainer, or the guide of Trump people.

00:30:08.000 And I was at a dinner recently, and somebody said, Charlie, can you help have me understand why Trump keeps on gaining popularity?

00:30:18.000 I get asked this question a lot because people are just so perplexed.

00:30:21.000 Well, let's look at it.

00:30:23.000 Let's listen to this here.

00:30:24.000 MSNBC showing in great detail 2024 elections.

00:30:31.000 Play cut one, please.

00:30:33.000 And still ahead on Morning Joe, new reporting on what tipped the scale for prosecutors in the decision to pursue the classified documents case against Donald Trump.

00:30:44.000 We'll have the latest on Trump's mounting legal troubles and its impact on his White House campaign.

00:30:50.000 As new polling shows the former president is building on his lead over the GOP field despite his recent indictments.

00:31:00.000 And Democrats warn of a very real threat of Trump winning in 2024.

00:31:07.000 A very real threat of Trump winning in 2024.

00:31:12.000 Now, it could be a game.

00:31:15.000 It could be fake.

00:31:18.000 But do you know I hear more about Trump's electability from Republicans than I do from Democrats?

00:31:23.000 Now, it also could be the third explanation could be Democrats just fear that there's millions of right-wingers.

00:31:30.000 I think there is.

00:31:33.000 But let's unpack this for just a second.

00:31:35.000 I can't stand polls.

00:31:37.000 Put them aside.

00:31:38.000 Trump's going to be the nominee unless something dramatic changes, which doesn't look like it will.

00:31:42.000 I'm actually going to see President Trump tomorrow.

00:31:44.000 So anything you want me to convey to him, please let me know.

00:31:46.000 Know freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:31:47.000 I will read off a couple of your emails to him.

00:31:51.000 Can he win?

00:31:52.000 Can Donald Trump win the presidency?

00:31:55.000 Can Donald Trump win in the general?

00:31:58.000 I hear from people on the center, right, and the right all the time.

00:32:01.000 He can't win.

00:32:02.000 First of all, understand how transparently dumb that argument is. 0.98

00:32:06.000 He has won before. 0.97

00:32:07.000 None of these other people have ever been president before.

00:32:10.000 The prevailing knowledge in elite right-wing circles is he can't win the general.

00:32:15.000 I fully understand and acknowledge that there are millions of people that will never vote for Trump and they find him terrible and awful.

00:32:22.000 I get that.

00:32:23.000 But it's also equally true that Donald Trump brings out a 5% to 7% vote boost that no other Republican candidate has ever been able to replicate.

00:32:35.000 So can he win?

00:32:36.000 Of course he can win.

00:32:37.000 And it comes down to just three states: Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia.

00:32:40.000 Will Donald Trump lose the popular vote?

00:32:43.000 He probably will fall short in the popular vote.

00:32:45.000 Doesn't matter.

00:32:46.000 We don't do presidents by popular vote.

00:32:48.000 Comes down to can you win states, Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin.

00:32:53.000 Donald Trump can win all of those if the right investments are made in ballot chasing, signature verification, and a legal fight.

00:33:01.000 But isn't that interesting?

00:33:02.000 Mika Brzezinski.

00:33:02.000 Democrats are warning that Trump can win in 2024.

00:33:06.000 Oh, yeah, he can win.

00:33:08.000 The question is: why do so few conservatives believe he can win?

00:33:13.000 That's worth thinking about.

00:33:17.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:18.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:22.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

00:33:26.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 27, 2023

CNN’s Tape: “Bombshell” or Dud? with Senator Josh Hawley

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