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00:01:11.000Yesterday, there was some bombshell news, allegedly bombshell news.
00:01:15.000CNN mysteriously, we do not know how, was able to obtain the audio file that was the main component of the indictment against Donald Trump in Florida, not the indictment in New York.
00:01:30.000Around this is this conversation that President Donald Trump has to what appears to be journalists.
00:01:39.000I don't know if Mark Meadows was there, but it was kind of a typical Trump conversation in the sense where he was entertaining.
00:01:50.000And we're going to play the entire thing.
00:01:52.000It was Mark Meadows' book writers, his ghost writers that were there.
00:01:56.000It was the two writers working with Meadows to write a memoir.
00:02:00.000And here's a, we're going to go through this with many guests because this piece of evidence is the one that is being used most against Donald Trump.
00:02:09.000We think that this is in New Jersey, and that matters a lot.
00:02:15.000There are a lot of questions around the Presidential Records Act.
00:02:20.000If this is the best piece of evidence that Jack Smith has, this should infuriate you.
00:02:26.000Look, the New York Times, their entire business model, Washington, D.C., it's all about leaks and recordings and the whole thing.
00:02:34.000And basically what we're at is, hold on a second.
00:02:37.000We're going to try to put Donald Trump in prison for 100 years because he ruffled some papers and you're a writer.
00:02:45.000The Espionage Act and the way that these laws were written, the intent of these laws was not to try to prevent braggadocia amongst friends or guests of former presidents.
00:02:57.000It was to say, hey, don't sell state secrets.
00:03:02.000Did Donald Trump do what Joe Biden did and get millions of dollars of wire transfers with his son as a proxy?
00:03:10.000Now, remember, these are the same outlets that make a business out of publishing intel agency press releases.
00:03:16.000This is a selective edit designed to paint a narrative.
00:03:20.000I'm going to play the entire thing for you.
00:03:24.000I think it's really important for you to hear the entire conversation of what Donald Trump is obviously entertaining a group of people at a club.
00:03:37.000And there's one part that is going to be the most difficult for President Trump's legal team to overcome, V. Jack Smith, where he said, you see, I couldn't, I can't declassify it now, but I could have when I was president.
00:04:29.000This year, I want you to listen to it.
00:04:32.000And I want you to think very carefully and closely as you're listening to that.
00:04:36.000Is this worth putting Donald Trump 100 years in prison and indicting an active presidential candidate, dividing the country because Donald Trump took some papers and said, look here, this is off the record.
00:04:47.000That is worth putting someone in prison when Hillary Clinton can smash devices and Joe Biden can run an international crime syndicate?
00:08:13.000Hunter Biden gets probation for literally texting the Chinese, quote, give me money or else my dad and me will use the U.S. government to mess with you.
00:08:22.000You really have to take a step back in this.
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00:11:10.000James Madison, the father of the United States Constitution, famously wrote, it will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.
00:11:28.000When you have 5,200 federal crimes on the books and you have an FBI and a DOJ that are sworn enemies of you, the American people, when you have a media and a central intelligence agency and an entire apparatus that wants Donald Trump dead, why do they want Donald Trump dead so badly?
00:12:05.000Yeah, there is some personal issues with Trump people have, no doubt.
00:12:10.000But he takes a sword to neoliberalism.
00:12:15.000He takes open borders, endless wars, and these silly trade deals that deindustrialize the country, and he puts them on trial.
00:12:24.000Turns out that it's amazingly popular for the American people to have a government that actually cares about their wages, their wealth, and their livelihood.
00:12:36.000On Cut 34, Donald Trump sits down with Brett Baer and says there was no document.
00:12:41.000That was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about Iran and other things.
00:12:46.000Now, I can already tell you what's going to happen here.
00:13:13.000Maybe you can't find the document because maybe Donald Trump was holding up the Wall Street Journal and was saying it was a classified document.
00:13:51.000These were newspaper stories, magazine stories, and articles.
00:13:54.000I'm just saying about the indictments.
00:13:56.000Ooh, newspaper stories and magazine stories.
00:14:00.000The government is now going to have to prove via an audio file when you do not have the document in question.
00:14:05.000Isn't it fundamental in any sort of criminal prosecution that you typically need either the murder weapon or some sort of, I mean, I'm just talking in a murder case, but you need some sort of piece of evidence that pertains to the crime itself.
00:14:19.000Physical evidence is what I'm, thank you, what is what I'm grappling towards.
00:14:24.000I'm not saying that it's impossible to convict without it, but Donald Trump's attorneys can easily say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on a second.
00:14:32.000You have a piece of audio where the president very well could have been engaged in entertainment and pseudo-bluster.
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00:16:43.000Okay, joining us now is Senator Josh Hawley, author of the new book, the excellent book, Manhood, which I encourage you to check out, The Masculine Virtues America Needs by Senator Josh Hawley.
00:16:56.000Senator, thank you for joining the program.
00:16:57.000The breaking news today is the Trump tapes, and it seems to be that we're missing a bigger story in the CNN tapes, and it's that Donald Trump was critiquing the military-industrial complex.
00:17:08.000Senator, is it conceivable that if Donald Trump was not in the presidency, we could have actually gone to war with and or still be at war with Iran?
00:17:25.000We know that certainly those in the permanent war complex and the neocon side are always agitating for more conflict, war, war, war, war, Ukraine, everywhere else.
00:17:36.000So, I mean, listen, I think that President Trump was a restraining influence.
00:17:40.000There's about it, and he was criticized for it at the time.
00:17:43.000I mean, I came to the Senate in 2019, so just the last two years of Trump's presidency, and I remember the neocons criticizing him constantly saying that he was too slow to respond and that he was too averse to conflict.
00:17:57.000It's like, well, that's probably a good thing.
00:17:59.000I mean, trying to rebuild America, make this country strong.
00:18:11.000But, Senator, you know, I was chatting with the team yesterday after we were playing the ridiculous comments from Senator Graham, which I'm not going to ask you to respond.
00:18:19.000I understand Senate congeniality and having to be close to everyone.
00:18:22.000But what I do think is interesting is how the media doesn't just have a left-wing bias.
00:18:50.000And the liberal form of that is, is they want us absolutely spending money fighting other people's wars.
00:18:57.000They don't ever really want us to fight any wars that are in our own interests, but they want us fighting other people's wars.
00:19:01.000They're happy at the same time to have us pursuing ruinous trade deals.
00:19:06.000The left has become huge advocates of these globalist trade deals that hollow out our industry, that empower China, that drain our jobs away.
00:19:16.000And if you question any of that, then they scream isolationist, isolationists.
00:19:20.000Where is the great tradition of American nationalism?
00:19:25.000I mean, the tradition of Abraham Lincoln, founder of the Republican Party, of Theodore Roosevelt, and yes, Ronald Reagan, who was a nationalist, but that is not what the media or the permanent Republican establishment in D.C. is for at all these days.
00:21:19.000And so, Senator, talk about how the I think there's another motive here, which is to go after Donald Trump because he has heterodox foreign policy.
00:21:30.000Well, I think that there's no doubt that the establishment wants Trump eliminated because he is currently the leader of the conservative movement.
00:21:39.000He's the leader of the Republican Party.
00:21:40.000This administration wants him gone because he's Joe Biden's most formidable opponent, and he's going to be the nominee.
00:21:45.000I mean, I just think it's as simple as that, Charlie.
00:21:48.000On the right, you have a strong contingent of people, many of them in Congress, who, of course, hate Donald Trump, and they may pay lip service to him in public, but they hate him.
00:21:58.000They hate the fact that the voters chose him twice as the Republican nominee, probably going to choose him again a third time.
00:22:40.000It's all political, and everybody can see that.
00:22:43.000So, Senator, I want to shift gears for a second.
00:22:44.000And this is just more of a question of are you feeling whispers or even vibrations or hall chatter?
00:22:50.000Senator, the Joe Biden crime syndicate is becoming harder and harder for even the most loyal Democrats to defend.
00:22:58.000Are you seeing in the Senate at all any sort of unease, nervousness about from the Democrats that this Joe Biden stuff might be very serious?
00:23:07.000Or is it just business as usual, not a big deal?
00:23:09.000I'm curious kind of what you're feeling and seeing, because from an outsider's perspective, not being in the halls of Congress, this seems to be one of the most cut and dry cases of American betrayal for cash that I've seen in quite some time.
00:23:23.000Well, I think they're worried about it.
00:23:24.000I think one indicator of that is, you know, the Judiciary Committee the other day, we were having what's called a markup at the business meeting.
00:23:31.000We're sitting around there and working on different bills.
00:23:34.000And at the end, Republican senators said, now let's talk about the latest revelations from the whistleblower and Joe Biden.
00:23:39.000Let's talk about the fact that a very credible source is alleging $5 million paid to then Vice President Biden from Burisma.
00:23:47.000Let's talk about the fact that a whistleblower, different one, is now alleging that the DOJ interfered with the investigation into Hunter Biden total corruption.
00:24:18.000They know that the corporate media will never ask about it.
00:24:22.000So they're good so long as this doesn't actually take place in public, this discussion.
00:24:26.000So I think they're very worried and they should be worried because we have whistleblower after whistleblower now from the IRS, from DOJ, from the FBI coming forward and saying we've got corruption all around the Bidens.
00:24:39.000And I just go back to something they used to say about President Nixon.
00:24:42.000The American people deserve to know whether or not their president is a crook.
00:24:47.000And if I were Joe Biden, I would want to clear things up, but he sure doesn't seem to want to, Charlie, and that tells me a lot.
00:24:53.000Yeah, and I can just hear the cattlewalling from the media and from the Senate if and when impeachment proceeds, which I want to ask you about in a second, where they say, oh, this is reckless.
00:25:03.000You have lost all moral high ground on any complaining about impeachment after the trash that you made us live through with Donald Trump's two impeachments.
00:25:13.000Senator, if the House proceeds impeachment inquiry, do you think the Senate will even conduct a trial?
00:25:59.000What we have seen out of this Justice Department is that this is a Justice Department that systematically abuses the rule of law to go after ordinary Americans, calling parents domestic terrorists and activating the FBI's counterterrorism division against them, going after Catholic churches, parishes, infiltrating them.
00:26:19.000Now we have all of the whistleblowers alleging corruption around the Bidens.
00:26:25.000We need to get the truth on all of them.
00:26:26.000That's why I think an impeachment inquiry is important here.
00:26:29.000This investigation needs to be done in public.
00:26:31.000The American people deserve to know how the most powerful law enforcement arm in the nation is being used or, frankly, misused in order to go after political opponents and, frankly, to silence ordinary Americans.
00:27:02.000I think it's important they do it in public.
00:27:03.000I think there should be public hearings.
00:27:05.000This should all be done so the public can see it.
00:27:07.000It ought to be extremely thorough to build the case, and then they absolutely send it over to the Senate, and let's see the evidence they've got.
00:27:13.000But I think this is important, Charlie.
00:27:15.000Senator Josh Hawley, check out his new book, Manhood.
00:29:21.000Vivek took our advice here on this program, our public advice on Twitter that we received ridicule and mockery and condemnation for from a lot of people on Twitter.
00:29:32.000You could actually look at the tracking polls.
00:29:34.000Vivek was the only presidential candidate to go down to Miami, Florida, and to stand with Donald Trump.
00:30:33.000And still ahead on Morning Joe, new reporting on what tipped the scale for prosecutors in the decision to pursue the classified documents case against Donald Trump.
00:30:44.000We'll have the latest on Trump's mounting legal troubles and its impact on his White House campaign.
00:30:50.000As new polling shows the former president is building on his lead over the GOP field despite his recent indictments.
00:31:00.000And Democrats warn of a very real threat of Trump winning in 2024.
00:31:07.000A very real threat of Trump winning in 2024.
00:32:23.000But it's also equally true that Donald Trump brings out a 5% to 7% vote boost that no other Republican candidate has ever been able to replicate.