The Charlie Kirk Show - May 04, 2022


Conservatism: What It Really Means in Modern America with Yoram Hazony


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The great Yoram Hazzoni is with us to talk about conservatism. What does it mean, and why do we have to rediscover it? It's a philosophical and historical episode of those of you that might call yourself conservatives, what actually is a conservative?

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, the great Yoram Hazzoni is with us to talk about conservatism.
00:00:03.000 What does it mean?
00:00:04.000 It's a really interesting philosophical and historical episode of those of you that might call yourself conservatives.
00:00:09.000 What actually is a conservative?
00:00:11.000 He defines it rather well.
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00:01:12.000 Okay, we have a really special guest for you, someone that I have admired from afar for quite a while.
00:01:18.000 He is the author of a new book, Conservatism: a Rediscovery, and he is very well respected all across the world.
00:01:26.000 He wrote another phenomenal book as well, which is The Virtue of Nationalism, which we could talk about as well.
00:01:32.000 It's Yoram Hazzoni.
00:01:34.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:36.000 Hello, Charlie.
00:01:37.000 Good to meet you.
00:01:39.000 I'm glad to be on.
00:01:41.000 Yeah, thank you for joining us.
00:01:42.000 So, conservatism, a rediscovery.
00:01:45.000 Why do we have to rediscover it?
00:01:47.000 I thought that conservatives know what conservatism is.
00:01:51.000 Walk us through this.
00:01:52.000 Well, in part, the argument is that conservatism is always a rediscovery.
00:01:58.000 Conservatives are people who are interested in maintaining traditions from the past.
00:02:03.000 That doesn't mean all traditions, obviously.
00:02:06.000 But we've been living through a period in which pretty much anything that is an important principle or an important idea from the past is undermined and overthrown, sort of in sequence over the last few decades.
00:02:20.000 So you begin with God and scripture, and from there, nation and family.
00:02:27.000 And now, as you know, male and female are up for grabs.
00:02:33.000 And I think what we need to understand is that this is, on the one hand, we are watching a cultural revolution.
00:02:41.000 There are people who purposely are undermining the whole vocabulary of traditional ideas and principles that held America and other Western nations together.
00:02:51.000 On the other hand, the deterioration is somewhat natural.
00:02:58.000 If you look at history, nations have to have periods of restoration where you rediscover the most important ideas from the past, from past generations, and you give them new life.
00:03:13.000 So conservatism is always about that.
00:03:16.000 But it's become especially complicated because over the last 30 years, especially, it's become common to say, you know, what is it that we're conserving?
00:03:27.000 Well, we're conserving liberalism.
00:03:29.000 We're conserving individual liberties.
00:03:31.000 We're conserving freedom.
00:03:32.000 Now, obviously, there's some truth to that.
00:03:35.000 But the problem is that when the emphasis is exclusively on your freedom, you quickly lose the ability to transmit anything to future generations.
00:03:47.000 I mean, you can see it.
00:03:49.000 Kids lose the intense desire to get married.
00:03:54.000 They put off marriage, they put off having children.
00:03:56.000 They put off, if they're in a marriage, they fall out of it again.
00:04:00.000 And all of this is the result of this overthrowing of our capacity to transmit things from one generation to the next.
00:04:10.000 So in my new book, Conservatism a Rediscovery, what I propose both at the national level, the family level, the personal level, I'm trying to propose a way of thinking about... you know, about our lives that isn't only about our rights and our freedoms, but is also about how do you transmit something to future generations so that your nation, your family will continue to exist.
00:04:39.000 That's really helpful.
00:04:40.000 So walk us through kind of what we would consider to be kind of post-World War II liberalism.
00:04:46.000 If I were to be honest, in 2014 and 15, I was kind of naive enough to believe that real conservatives were actually small L liberals, that we are the defenders of classical liberalism.
00:04:58.000 You push back against this, and you kind of also reject some of the fusionism of the 1960s and kind of some of the liberal movements post-World War II.
00:05:08.000 For some of our audience that isn't as well read into that, give them a little bit of a taste of exactly what happened post-World War II with this kind of quote-unquote neoliberal orthodoxy that set in and how some even self-described conservatives would play ball with that.
00:05:24.000 Sure.
00:05:25.000 I mean, the truth is that the conservative movement in the 1960s, which was put together, you know, the quarterback was, as you know, was William Buckley.
00:05:37.000 But it was actually an alliance of liberals and conservatives.
00:05:42.000 Liberals, meaning people who are mostly concerned with individual freedoms and conservatives who are much more concerned with the question of how do we maintain and transmit things from one generation to the next.
00:05:59.000 And the reason for the coalition, I mean, there's lots of times and places where liberals and conservatives were in opposing political parties, opposing movements.
00:06:10.000 But in the 1960s with the rise of socialism, sort of across the board in America and Britain and other democracies, and the threat of communism, obviously of Soviet communism, which was expanding rapidly.
00:06:25.000 So in that situation, the right was kind of reconstituted as an alliance between liberals and conservatives.
00:06:34.000 And that alliance, which was solidified by the mid-1960s, I think it was, I mean, I don't think there was much choice.
00:06:44.000 I think it was necessary.
00:06:46.000 That's important, not just for historical reasons, but because we may be facing something very similar today.
00:06:52.000 But what happened is that the theory of how do you get liberals and conservatives to work effectively together against socialism and communism, the theory that was adopted was, I think looking back on it with hindsight, I think it was very problematic.
00:07:10.000 The theory was that how do you get liberals and conservatives into a single movement?
00:07:16.000 Mostly by privatizing the conservative part, meaning anything having to do with Christianity, with religion, Bible, God, anything having to do with family morals, anything having to do with pretty much with patriotism, the love of your nation and knowing its history.
00:07:36.000 All of these things were mostly privatized.
00:07:40.000 And the public side of the fusion was basically fighting for, was mostly fighting for individual liberties against these threats from socialism and communism.
00:07:53.000 So the result is, I mean, this is simplifying, but the result was 1960s fusionism, conservative fusionism actually became a private conservatism and a public liberalism.
00:08:07.000 That's the argument that I make in my book.
00:08:09.000 And look, there's good things about it.
00:08:11.000 I mean, that fusionism is to a large degree, that's the movement that won the Cold War, that defeated the Soviet Union and rolled back socialism almost everywhere.
00:08:23.000 So those are real achievements and they're important.
00:08:26.000 And I don't want to belittle them.
00:08:28.000 But on the other hand, I think that when you look at around 1989, 1990, the end of the Cold War, the Berlin Wall falls, Ronald Reagan's term of office is over.
00:08:42.000 Margaret Thatcher is deposed in Britain.
00:08:45.000 And what replaced the conservative liberal alliance, what replaced it was a, you know, was basically a universal liberalism.
00:08:58.000 Like it has different names.
00:09:02.000 Some people call it liberal internationalism.
00:09:05.000 Some people call it neoconservatism.
00:09:09.000 It's related in some ways to libertarianism.
00:09:11.000 But the bottom line is that to the shock of conservatives, the early 1990s became a period where conservative, what was called conservatism became just liberalism.
00:09:27.000 So if up until that point, conservative strategists, I'm thinking of like a theorist like Irving Kristol, Bill's father, right?
00:09:38.000 Irving Kristol in the 1990s was still saying that conservatism has three pillars.
00:09:46.000 Number one, religion, which he considered to be the most important one.
00:09:50.000 Number two, nationalism, like maintaining the independence of your nation and its traditions and its freedom to maneuver against international bodies and players.
00:10:03.000 So number one, religion, number two, nationalism.
00:10:06.000 And number three, economic growth.
00:10:09.000 So that was probably the most important theory from the 1980s of what conservatism was.
00:10:17.000 But by the 1990s, religion drops out and nationalism drops out.
00:10:25.000 And around 2016, Trump and Brexit, I think we saw a backlash.
00:10:34.000 And what's happening with the Supreme Court on abortion, I think, is an integral part of this backlash, that the idea that conservatism can conserve nothing but freedom and care about nothing but economic freedom, I think that idea is finished.
00:10:54.000 It's run its course.
00:10:55.000 I mean, it succeeded in dominating policy towards China, policy towards Afghanistan and Iraq, policy towards Europe.
00:11:05.000 And what are we left with?
00:11:09.000 We're left with a society that is decaying and at war with itself.
00:11:16.000 So what I propose in this book is a restoration of an earlier conservatism, which is based on God and scripture and seeks to, for those parts of the United States and those parts of Europe where it's still possible, seeks to move towards a Christian and a biblical public religion.
00:11:44.000 And the book goes into detail also about why people need to do this at the individual level.
00:11:51.000 It's not just a matter of policy.
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00:12:55.000 So you mentioned that conservatism should be passing down one thing from one generation to the other.
00:13:01.000 That's a very agreeable and simple thing.
00:13:04.000 I think it's terrific and it's totally right.
00:13:07.000 Why is that conservatives haven't been able to clarify that in recent years?
00:13:13.000 Conservatives have a rights-based belief usually when they say they say, well, we believe in protecting individual rights, not as much of protecting good, true, or beautiful things to preserve them.
00:13:24.000 Why do you think that is?
00:13:26.000 Well, it's the same thing we were just discussing because the conservative movement just became more and more and more liberal.
00:13:33.000 And when I say liberal, I don't mean this in a negative way.
00:13:36.000 I just mean that the focus is exclusively on I should be able to do whatever I want.
00:13:43.000 So it means that pornography should be widely available.
00:13:51.000 And I don't have to serve in the military and I don't need to get married and I don't need people lecturing me about any of these responsibilities I have.
00:14:01.000 So conservatism just kept the name, but it lost the idea of conserving anything.
00:14:08.000 And so a lot of young people say to me, I'm sure you hear this all the time, what has the conservative movement conserved in the last two generations?
00:14:17.000 And to go back to it requires us to have a new vocabulary that's not just based on rights.
00:14:24.000 It begins with concepts like loyalty and honor.
00:14:30.000 And in the book, I go into the question of let's say you're a parent.
00:14:37.000 What makes it possible for you to transmit ideas to your children?
00:14:40.000 Or if you're a teacher, what makes it possible?
00:14:43.000 And the key to the whole thing, my argument is the key to the whole thing is honor.
00:14:48.000 This goes all the way back to the Ten Commandments.
00:14:52.000 Honor your father and your mother.
00:14:53.000 Honor your teachers.
00:14:55.000 Honor old people. 1.00
00:14:57.000 What is that all about?
00:14:58.000 And what I propose is that people can't learn anything when they don't honor the people who are trying to teach them.
00:15:08.000 Honoring somebody means that you treat them as though they're significant.
00:15:12.000 You act out.
00:15:15.000 In your words and your deeds, you show that they're more important than other people think and more important than maybe you thought.
00:15:24.000 That kind of honoring is, you know, it still exists in Christian and Jewish society in some corners, but it's mostly disappeared from the public liberal space.
00:15:33.000 And the result is that even, let's say, kids go to schools that have been stripped of Bible or reference to God, completely eliminated.
00:15:49.000 And the liberal assumption was: well, they can hand it down in the privacy of their homes.
00:15:54.000 What they didn't understand is that if a child spends five days a week all day long in an environment where there's no reference to God and no reference to scripture, then what's happening is you're dishonoring, you're de-honoring God and scripture.
00:16:11.000 And when you de-honor those things, there's no, there's, for the great majority of kids, they'll come out of it and, you know, they'll hear people talk about this.
00:16:19.000 That's not important.
00:16:20.000 There's no way that's important.
00:16:22.000 So this is a way in America, the people are sovereign.
00:16:29.000 You know that when you study the Constitution.
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00:18:18.000 So I want to ask you just about this idea of fusionism and how it might incorporate today.
00:18:25.000 Would you think it's a good idea for us to try to become partners or allies with people that are not conservatives to try to defeat the woke left, to try to say that it's kind of a similar Soviet Union type threat?
00:18:36.000 What is the national conservative response to all of this nonsense that we've seen kind of pollute our land?
00:18:45.000 Well, I do think that we national conservatives, those of us who know we're nationalists and we care about the conserving and transmitting the traditions of our country, we don't have 51%.
00:19:03.000 And a lot of the remaining liberals, in 2020, liberals were kicked out of most of the institutions, or at least most of the liberal institutions in America and in England were suppressed and turned in the direction of this neo-Marxist wokeism.
00:19:25.000 So there aren't that many liberals left, but the liberals that are left are, you know, I'm thinking of people in the zone of Steve Pinker or Bill Maher or Barry Weiss and these kinds of individuals.
00:19:44.000 Right, Joe Rogan.
00:19:46.000 Elon Musk is a really good example.
00:19:48.000 You know, somebody he's fundamentally liberal and now he's found himself on the right, but he's not on the right because he sees himself as a conservative.
00:19:57.000 He's on the right because the scale has just gone so far left that now he's on the right.
00:20:03.000 So I don't think it's possible to realistically to move things forward in terms of elections, legislation, politics.
00:20:16.000 But also, I don't think it's possible in the culture without some kind of an alliance between liberals and conservatives.
00:20:23.000 I think that what's really important here is that we don't make the mistake again that was made in the 1960s of saying, well, conservatism is liberalism or public liberalism is conservatism.
00:20:40.000 I think abortion is a really good example where, you know, if what you're concerned about is just people's freedom to do whatever they want, then you're going to be in favor of making abortion as available as possible.
00:20:55.000 And conservatives say no.
00:20:57.000 Conservatives say we have to have a biblical or Christian framework that we live in, that gives the basic values for the society.
00:21:10.000 Now, that's obviously not possible everywhere in the United States or everywhere in Europe, but it's going to be possible in some places.
00:21:16.000 And so the crucial thing, the absolute most important thing, is that we distinguish, that people ask themselves, am I liberal or conservative?
00:21:27.000 I think it's important to draw a line because it's so confusing.
00:21:32.000 I think we need for young people to be saying to themselves, you know, do I actually think that the national or religious inheritance is something that's important as a framework for the country I live in?
00:21:47.000 If the answer is yes, then you're a conservative and we need to talk about what you personally can do to engage in the transmission of ideas to the next generation in your personal life and in your church and on a national scale.
00:22:03.000 And if the answer is no, look, really, just what's important to me is individual freedom.
00:22:08.000 I want everybody to leave me alone.
00:22:10.000 Okay, so you're liberal.
00:22:12.000 We know what that is.
00:22:12.000 It doesn't mean we have to hate each other.
00:22:14.000 We don't have to, you know, we can be friends with liberals, but they have a different worldview, fundamentally different worldview.
00:22:22.000 And we need to get clear that it's something different.
00:22:24.000 It's not us.
00:22:26.000 Yeah, and that's a difficult connection when liberalism is kind of spread across the land.
00:22:32.000 So how do you go about trying to convince people to think more conservatively?
00:22:38.000 Do you think it kind of happens naturally when the excesses of liberalism start to kind of fall upon itself, when it kind of just inevitably goes into some form of kind of fascistic authoritarianism, which is the obvious kind of conclusion of liberalism?
00:22:51.000 It's unsustainable by definition.
00:22:54.000 If you just kind of continue to try to liberate one victim group after the other, eventually you're going to run out of victim groups to do that.
00:23:01.000 And then it's less about justice and then more about revenge.
00:23:03.000 How do we best go about doing that?
00:23:05.000 Yeah, well, I do not think that it's natural, that there's just a natural, you know, this is in the 1980s, this is the argument that a lot of conservatives were making was that liberalism was on the ropes.
00:23:18.000 It was waning, it was going to die, and that conservatives would just inherit everything.
00:23:24.000 And they were right.
00:23:25.000 They were right to say that liberalism was on the ropes, but it's not conservatives who inherited it.
00:23:31.000 It's the neo-Marxists who inherited the collapse of liberalism.
00:23:35.000 So no, I don't think there's anything particularly natural about it.
00:23:39.000 It requires work.
00:23:40.000 On the right today, You know as well as anybody that on the right today, there's all sorts of different little movements and thinkers.
00:23:51.000 And some of them are openly in favor of dictatorship.
00:23:55.000 I mean, some of them are anti-Christian and anti-Bible and anti-Jewish.
00:24:00.000 Some of them are not anti-Christian, but they want a Christian dictatorship in the United States. 0.90
00:24:06.000 They want to throw out the Constitution.
00:24:08.000 They say that it's failed.
00:24:09.000 There's all sorts of these kinds of things.
00:24:11.000 They get more influential with every passing year.
00:24:13.000 They're growing rapidly.
00:24:15.000 And if those of us who are in the space that says, look, the things, the religion and the Constitution and the national inheritance that came from the past, you know, had some flaws, but it's fundamentally good.
00:24:32.000 If we don't get practical about plugging kids into the chain of transmission, which a lot of the time that means finding a church or a synagogue, a religious community where the old system of honoring the past still exists and an active handing down of things is taking place.
00:24:59.000 If people don't plug into that, then there is likely to end up being some kind of authoritarian as they are conservative.
00:25:07.000 And so the big demand of this moment right now is to distinguish conservatives from liberals, distinguish conservatives from the kind of fascist things that we see happening on the right, and talk about transmission and who does it and how do we do it.
00:25:27.000 But how do you suppose we go about enacting a lot of this?
00:25:32.000 And obviously, fascism is evil and awful.
00:25:37.000 But do you think that there's anything to this argument that we as conservatives need to be willing to use political power to try and get us back to a conservative position, right?
00:25:47.000 This is kind of a debate that's happening on the right currently, which is whether or not we should be willing to use political power.
00:25:53.000 For example, using political power to penalize Disney, right, for what they've done in Florida.
00:25:59.000 What's your perspective on that?
00:26:00.000 Do you think that's conservative in nature?
00:26:03.000 Absolutely.
00:26:05.000 I mean, this argument that's happening on the right, I mean, it's very old.
00:26:10.000 At the American founding, there were two parties.
00:26:13.000 There were the Jeffersonians who basically thought leave people alone and don't give power to government because it's just fundamentally evil.
00:26:23.000 But the United States was not founded by Jeffersonians.
00:26:26.000 I mean, the American Constitution was written by the other party, by the nationalists.
00:26:31.000 The Federalist Party were the natcons of those days. 0.94
00:26:34.000 And people like Washington and John Jay and John Adams, Hamilton, Governor Morris, who was the guy who drafted the Constitution, these people were natcons. 0.98
00:26:46.000 They were in favor of a strong central government.
00:26:50.000 I mean, they wouldn't have been in favor of four million people, you know, like we have today.
00:26:54.000 I mean, they would have thought that's insane.
00:26:57.000 But in principle, they wrote the Constitution of 1787 because they believed in a strong national government that exercises political power in order to do whatever needs to be done in order to defend the public's independence, its liberties, to defend religion.
00:27:15.000 That doesn't mean they didn't care about individual liberties.
00:27:18.000 But if you read the preamble to the Constitution, you see, I mean, it says there's seven principles that the American Constitution was designed to advance.
00:27:29.000 And those include a more perfect union, the general welfare of the people, justice, defense, And liberty is certainly one of the seven.
00:27:44.000 But in my book, I make the argument that a conservative needs to return not to Jeffersonians who say only liberty is important.
00:27:54.000 You need to return to the National Conservative Party that founded the United States, which believed that there are these seven principles that have to be balanced against one another.
00:28:04.000 And that means using political power in order to advance those things that are crucial.
00:28:09.000 And also understanding what liberty actually is, right?
00:28:12.000 So Jefferson would have rejected licentiousness, but he was very appreciative of liberty, which is the pursuit of virtue.
00:28:20.000 Their idea of liberty is completely different than kind of what we think liberty is today.
00:28:25.000 They had no belief that liberty is being able to do whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it.
00:28:30.000 It's having the freedom to be able to do what you ought to do, not whatever you want to do.
00:28:35.000 Talk a little bit more about those seven principles outlined in the Constitution and how that can kind of be a meaningful path.
00:28:42.000 Okay, well, I think the question is, what is government for?
00:28:48.000 And the 1960s fusionism came up with an answer that everybody knows.
00:28:53.000 Government only has the role of defending and ensuring the liberties of individuals.
00:29:02.000 That's Frank Meyer's book, and that's the idea that ended up conquering conservatism 30 years later.
00:29:10.000 And what we're talking about is a more traditional Anglo-American view.
00:29:18.000 It comes to us from England, and it's adopted by the Federalist Party.
00:29:24.000 And it sees, let's say, the number one function of government that's listed is establishing a more perfect union.
00:29:36.000 Now, think about that phrase for a second.
00:29:39.000 A more perfect union, that comes from the experience under the Articles of the Confederation, 10, 11 years in which the United States was close to chaos because it didn't have a strong central government.
00:29:53.000 People don't remember that George Washington couldn't raise the army he needed.
00:29:58.000 He couldn't pay the army he needed.
00:29:59.000 And in the end, just moving the American troops to Yorktown required private donations.
00:30:05.000 Private citizens wrote checks in order to be able to move the army to Yorktown so Americans could gain their independence.
00:30:13.000 And the idea of a more perfect union, the first purpose of American government, is that there's such a thing as cohesion.
00:30:23.000 There's such a thing as loyalty, as loyalty, that the different parts of the country have to be loyal to one another.
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00:31:20.000 Yoram, what are our marching orders here for conservatives listening to this right now?
00:31:24.000 What would you say are the couple things that need to be done to help rediscover conservatism and kind of restore America to conservative values and principles?
00:31:32.000 Well, I'd say two things.
00:31:35.000 One, Being a conservative means leading a conservative life.
00:31:41.000 So I know lots of young people who think it's enough to support conservative policies, let's say pro-family policies.
00:31:51.000 But when the Sabbath rolls around, instead of finding a faith community that they can join so that they can begin to participate in the transmission of ideas and principles from previous generations, they go to the beach, they go to the mountains. 0.86
00:32:12.000 I mean, I think this is one of the toughest things for almost anybody is to understand why there used to be a Sabbath as a time for plugging into the tradition and learning how to build a family, learning how to make a marriage stick instead of just going in and out of relationships and learning how to raise children who honor not only their parents, but their nation.
00:32:39.000 So the number one thing is people need to start thinking about living a conservative life, being a conservative person.
00:32:46.000 It's not just a political opinion.
00:32:49.000 It's something that you live every single day.
00:32:52.000 And if you do, things get better for you and the people around you.
00:32:56.000 And the other thing that I'd say is that I think the most damaging political trend of the last 70 years has been the sudden discovery in the 1940s that the American Constitution requires a separation of church and state.
00:33:16.000 And the truth is that the American Constitution didn't require separation of church and state until the 1940s, 50s, 60s.
00:33:24.000 And the liberal elimination of religious principles as a guideline for public life, I think that's done no end of harm.
00:33:37.000 So we have to be looking both at living a conservative life personally, and we need to look at returning conservative ideas to government, which is integrally related with making public the religious and biblical foundations of the nation and of its inheritance.
00:33:58.000 It's beautiful.
00:33:59.000 Conservatism is something we must try to rediscover. 0.99
00:34:03.000 Conservatism, a rediscovery.
00:34:05.000 I really enjoyed it.
00:34:06.000 And everyone, please go check out a copy of the book, Conservatism, a Rediscovery by the great Yoram Hazzoni.
00:34:12.000 Thank you so much for joining us, and I hope to meet you in person sometime soon.
00:34:15.000 Thank you, Charlie.
00:34:16.000 I hope it's soon.
00:34:20.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
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00:34:28.000 Thank you so much for listening.
00:34:29.000 God bless.
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