The Charlie Kirk Show - Contending for the Truth About America with Congressman Bob McEwen and Pastor Rob McCoy

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00:01:20.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:21.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:24.000 With us today are two incredible men back based on popular demand.

00:01:29.000 Congressman Bob McEwen.

00:01:30.000 Bob McEwen speaking.

00:01:32.000 Charlie, great to be with you.

00:01:33.000 Great to be back.

00:01:34.000 And my pastor, Rob McCoy.

00:01:35.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:01:36.000 A lot going on in the world.

00:01:38.000 And I know there's some things you guys want to touch on.

00:01:40.000 Last time we chatted was many months ago.

00:01:43.000 And I have to say, Bob, you gave one of the best defenses of the founding of America and this kind of rejection of the lie of systemic racism.

00:01:51.000 You did wonderfully.

00:01:53.000 We were chatting over lunch about this idea of corporate wokeism.

00:01:56.000 Let's start there and wherever it leads us.

00:01:59.000 Well, let's go back to what you just mentioned about the founding of America.

00:02:03.000 The president of the United States, Donald Trump, saw where there was an effort to say things that simply aren't true.

00:02:10.000 When a person comes up to you and says something that's totally bizarre, we tend to just dismiss it.

00:02:15.000 And so when these folks at New York Times came along and said, you know, America was founded under such circumstances, and they give a date that's 150 years before George Washington was even born, our natural thought is just that's absurd, and you move on.

00:02:29.000 But as they were successful in the 1619 project to begin to teach that America was formed, they literally use the word the United States.

00:02:39.000 Of course, the United States didn't exist at all at that time.

00:02:41.000 They began to teach the children.

00:02:43.000 The President Donald Trump created a thing called the 1776 Commission.

00:02:47.000 Why?

00:02:47.000 Because America was born on July 4th, 1776.

00:02:52.000 And I was fortunate enough to be appointed as a commissioner to the 1776 Commission.

00:02:56.000 When a president is sworn in, it's in the Constitution at noon on January 20th.

00:03:00.000 And then they have the parade, they have luncheon, they have a parade, and then they have the inaugural ball, and then they go in the next day at 9 o'clock and get their picture taken as the first day of being president of the United States.

00:03:11.000 Joe Biden could not wait until dinner at 5:30 in the afternoon, just five hours after being sworn in.

00:03:19.000 He abolished the 1776 Commission.

00:03:22.000 One of the most important things to be done was to go back to trying to convince people that America was born 150 years before it was actually born.

00:03:30.000 And it's very sad, but it gets back to what you said.

00:03:32.000 What's their motivation, Bob?

00:03:33.000 Why 1619?

00:03:35.000 And is there any truth to this idea that we have colonial roots to the founding of America?

00:03:39.000 No, people had talked and began to pray as they began to read the scriptures.

00:03:45.000 They began to, after the creation of the Geneva Bible, and they saw that God had made man.

00:03:51.000 And it's not because of his bloodline or how much tribe that he belonged to or how much land that he owned, but because God made them that he had individual rights.

00:03:59.000 And that began to change.

00:04:00.000 Then you see an explosion thereafter in arts and culture and Bach and Beethoven and Mozart and Shakespeare.

00:04:07.000 And you see all these things.

00:04:08.000 Then there begin in 1776.

00:04:10.000 You see also the free enterprise system where no longer are you tied to a river or to land, but through the quality of your mind, you can create a new product and a good service, and wealth begins to explode.

00:04:22.000 The nexus for all of that was the United States of America said, we hold these truths and nail them down that God gave individual those rights.

00:04:31.000 Everything before that is virtually the same.

00:04:33.000 And when it came to slavery, where people were just part of a group and you could control people, that slavery was prior to 1776 universal or ubiquitous.

00:04:44.000 After 1776, it was anathema.

00:04:47.000 And that group of men that signed that document are the ones that changed the world for all time, and people still bristle at that.

00:04:54.000 So how should we treat colonial history then?

00:04:58.000 This is something that some, I think, well-meaning conservatives ask.

00:05:01.000 They say, if the 1619 project is flawed, then should we forget Roger Williams and George Whitfield and Jonathan Edwards?

00:05:08.000 And those were people that came to start the came for religious freedom.

00:05:12.000 Back under the old colonial system, when those people landed, there were Africans that captured other Africans and sold them into slavery.

00:05:20.000 In the 1619 project, it was a black African that sold to a black African purchaser.

00:05:26.000 That was the first transaction in 1619.

00:05:28.000 And of course, it had nothing to do with America, but Roger Williams and these other folks came to America for independence with the Mayflower Compact.

00:05:36.000 Religious freedom.

00:05:37.000 They came for religious freedom to become what God had made them to be.

00:05:40.000 And of course, each one of the states was founded on that principle.

00:05:45.000 They had to collectively join together, often over slavery, that every time they tried to get rid of slavery prior to America being born, the king had the power to veto it.

00:05:55.000 And that was one of the real motivating factors to put a stop to it.

00:05:59.000 And many of the founders started Bible societies.

00:06:02.000 They were committed to the scriptures.

00:06:04.000 Though they were all born in a slave culture, they were committed to removing slavery from the face of the earth.

00:06:11.000 And every state north of Maryland abolished slavery by the time of the founding.

00:06:16.000 Yep.

00:06:16.000 Nine states.

00:06:17.000 By the ratification of the Constitution, 1787.

00:06:20.000 I guess my question is that if we say that America's founding was absolutely on July 4th, how do we deal with the decades that led up to it?

00:06:29.000 And that's a question that the 1619 people are able to get into schools because they say there was all of this complicated colonial history that kids aren't being learned, right being taught.

00:06:40.000 Is there any truth to that?

00:06:41.000 No.

00:06:42.000 Matter of fact, a good guest to have on your program would be Bill Federer.

00:06:47.000 As you go through even how with the Mayflower Compact and how they were blown off course and where they landed outside the king's jurisdiction, they had to establish their own self-rule.

00:06:57.000 So this was the first political compact.

00:07:01.000 But that's what they want to teach.

00:07:03.000 So the point is that if we started in 1776, then should we talk about colonial times?

00:07:03.000 Okay.

00:07:09.000 That's the argument of the New York Times.

00:07:12.000 Right?

00:07:12.000 Yeah.

00:07:13.000 Well, Spain controlled Florida, and I suppose that's all part of history.

00:07:18.000 But there was a momentous time, an explosion that took place.

00:07:22.000 No, I know, but the 1619 project wants us to talk about that.

00:07:26.000 I have no problem with that.

00:07:27.000 What's our problem with the 1619 project?

00:07:28.000 But they want to say that that's what America was born.

00:07:32.000 How wasn't it, though?

00:07:32.000 I'm playing devil's advocate because this is school board people that responded.

00:07:36.000 Yeah, that's when people came here.

00:07:39.000 But as they studied the word of God, they studied what rights were correct and where rights came from, that's where they banded together and said, we're going to start a new day.

00:07:48.000 So what happened before that? 0.50

00:07:49.000 And of course, the irony of the whole thing is the 1619 project says that slavery is so wonderful. 0.65

00:07:54.000 Now, remember, their people were dedicated to it, fought a war to preserve it, and all that. 0.54

00:07:58.000 They said that slavery was so wonderful that because there was slavery 100 years before America was born, that's why this nation, 4% of the population of the world, creates nearly a third of all the goods and services, that slavery is what shot it to the moon.

00:08:09.000 Exactly.

00:08:09.000 The absurdity of that is just difficult to create.

00:08:11.000 It is a pro-slavery economic argument.

00:08:14.000 I just think we have to also be very clear that there was a colonial tradition that actually did not totally embrace slavery the way that some of the historians said.

00:08:23.000 It was a much more mixed cultural landscape, right?

00:08:26.000 Because some of the 1619 push, the way they get it into these schools is they prey on the misunderstanding of colonial history.

00:08:33.000 They say, hey, we need to teach people about the 1680s, 90s, and early 1700s.

00:08:37.000 I don't think we should be afraid of that.

00:08:39.000 And I just think the biggest problem, the 1619 Project, they don't use original source documents.

00:08:44.000 They misunderstand the founders.

00:08:45.000 And the biggest issue is not the year 1619.

00:08:49.000 Their big argument, and I've read all their garbage, is they say that 1776 was about a defense of slavery.

00:08:55.000 That's their big argument. 0.67

00:08:56.000 It's not about the idea of going back to 1619, right?

00:08:59.000 Which I actually, I'm cool with talking about the Mayflower Compact.

00:09:03.000 I'm cool about talking about, you know, I think it's like 170-something families, whatever it is, you would know the number where they kind of just say, hey, we're in the middle of the Atlantic and we have to figure out how to govern ourselves if we survive this thing.

00:09:14.000 The problem I have is all of a sudden they're indicting the American founding and they're saying, no, no, no, no.

00:09:19.000 They're harboring the same evil that happened in 1619.

00:09:22.000 I just want to make that clear that we can't throw out colonial history.

00:09:25.000 I think it's a big part of who we are.

00:09:27.000 Very good.

00:09:27.000 The clarity of colonial history, if done correctly, not with revisionism like they do, totally, would completely support the founding of this nation for the purpose of freedom.

00:09:36.000 Who was that one guy you mentioned that you did a deep study on?

00:09:39.000 It was John Adams' pastor or something.

00:09:41.000 Oh, Jonathan Mayhew.

00:09:42.000 Yes.

00:09:43.000 Tell us about him.

00:09:44.000 Well, so Jonathan Mayhew, he actually died in 1766.

00:09:49.000 And when confronting especially the king who was facilitating slavery in the colonies, even though the colonists didn't want that, it was the pastoral class that started to instruct and educate the founders.

00:10:03.000 And so Jonathan Mayhew, folks said, this is sedition.

00:10:09.000 You can't go against the king.

00:10:11.000 And they would cite Romans 13.

00:10:14.000 And so Jonathan Mayhew did a sermon on Romans 13, an exegetical work where it says that God appoints all positions of authority and they're there for our good and we're to submit to them.

00:10:26.000 And Jonathan Mayhew pointed out that if that authority isn't doing good, they're no longer the authority.

00:10:32.000 It's not unlimited submission.

00:10:34.000 And he coined the term disobedience to disobedience to tyrants is obedience to God.

00:10:40.000 John Adams said that that sermon and that minister was the inspiration for the War of Independence.

00:10:48.000 And he died in 1766.

00:10:50.000 1766, before we had a constitutional republic that now declares the authority in America is we the people.

00:10:57.000 And so when you look at Romans 13, where God appoints all positions of authority, in a constitutional republic, that authority is the people.

00:11:04.000 And those who govern govern by our consent.

00:11:07.000 And they're bound by the seven articles of the Constitution.

00:11:10.000 And if they fail to obey the oath of office, our birth certificate says it's our right and our duty to remove them.

00:11:17.000 Yes.

00:11:18.000 And the Nicole Hannah Jones types, the 1619 Project people, they totally whitewash history throughout the 30s, 40s, and 50s in the 1700s of this idea of how big of a deal it is to recognize that slavery is wrong.

00:11:33.000 From our 2021 eyes, that's a hard thing for us to process.

00:11:37.000 But the fact we made any movement on the topic was something that mankind had never seen before.

00:11:42.000 That this was an evil, that we have to stop it regardless of any sort of economic stimulus it has, which I'm with you.

00:11:48.000 I think slavery, Thomas Jefferson wrote extensively about not necessarily that slavery was wrong for the slave.

00:11:54.000 He wrote about that.

00:11:55.000 You know who he said slavery was wrong for?

00:11:57.000 The slave owner. 0.97

00:11:58.000 He said it creates lazy, selfish, evil, and despotic tyrants. 0.86

00:12:03.000 He wrote extensively about it.

00:12:05.000 I think slavery is bad for everyone.

00:12:05.000 And that's true.

00:12:07.000 Exactly.

00:12:07.000 And this whole idea of the moment, the 1776, I think was the moment, but the buildup was this multi-decades of beautiful, rich sermons and courageous truth-tellers that culminated in that summer of 1776.

00:12:24.000 If you look at history and give it an honest assessment and you see the Protestant Reformation and you see, as Bob pointed out, the Geneva Bible, where...

00:12:33.000 Tell us about the significance of that.

00:12:35.000 So the Geneva Bible was put together and it was no different than the King James Bible.

00:12:40.000 They still use the original manuscripts.

00:12:42.000 The only difference is in the Geneva Bible, on the side of each page were notes, and each of these notes had commentary on civil government.

00:12:55.000 And they did extensive work on self-governance.

00:12:59.000 And they listed that.

00:12:59.000 Wow.

00:13:01.000 And so when you see in that painting in the Capitol Rotunda where they're holding out a Bible, it's the Geneva Bible.

00:13:07.000 This is what inspired them for self-governance.

00:13:09.000 They're coming to Switzerland.

00:13:11.000 I'm hearing that. 0.82

00:13:12.000 When Bloody Mary came in and she began to reimpose onto the church in Scotland.

00:13:18.000 She took over after Elizabeth and began to impose the church of, well, it'd be late 1500s or early 1600s. 0.99

00:13:28.000 And she wanted to take over the church.

00:13:31.000 And so when you rebel, as Rob said, when you rebel against the church, that's called sedition.

00:13:37.000 Or heresy. 0.99

00:13:38.000 And so they kill you to death. 1.00

00:13:38.000 Treason. 1.00

00:13:40.000 And so they so these Knox and Calvin and all these people left and went down to Geneva.

00:13:47.000 They left Scotland.

00:13:48.000 And while they're sitting around the Starbucks in Geneva with nothing to do, now this is where you understand divine intervention.

00:13:54.000 They said, why don't we take the scriptures and put them into modern English and translate them?

00:13:59.000 And they said, well, go ahead, let's do that.

00:14:01.000 So they started doing it.

00:14:02.000 And Calvin said, why don't we number the verses?

00:14:04.000 So prior to that, there was no John 3:16 until they did it.

00:14:09.000 It was just all the way it was.

00:14:10.000 It was just manuscripts.

00:14:12.000 And so when they got this Bible together, and then as Rabbi Lapin points out, is better than anyone, is you can follow where that Bible goes.

00:14:22.000 And that's where you see this, again, explosion in invention and creation and art and literature and all these kinds of things.

00:14:28.000 Then it gets up to poor James.

00:14:31.000 He's jealous because the people recognize we don't have to go to some city on the Caribbean to what we do.

00:14:37.000 We go directly to God.

00:14:39.000 And so that created a reformation of we go directly to God.

00:14:42.000 And James began to say, ooh, it's just a matter of time.

00:14:46.000 We're not going to have to go through the kings, the divine right of kings.

00:14:49.000 They're going to see that too.

00:14:51.000 And so he took the Geneva Bible and got the King James Authorized Version.

00:14:54.000 So he got rid of the comments.

00:14:56.000 That was that before he killed Tyndale or after?

00:15:01.000 Well, it would have been after because he killed Tyndale in like 1603 or something.

00:15:07.000 And he wasn't there that long.

00:15:09.000 But then those people then, then they made a covenant that we have no king but Jesus.

00:15:13.000 And that's where they.

00:15:14.000 And then you have Samuel Rutherford wrote a pamphlet called Lex Rex, where the king was saying that he's the head of the church.

00:15:21.000 And Samuel Rutherford said, no, when the king enters the church, he's subject to Christ like everyone else is.

00:15:27.000 Christ is the head of the church.

00:15:29.000 And that was revolutionary. 0.53

00:15:31.000 That was the Scottish Covenanters.

00:15:32.000 And that pamphlet, Lex Rex, was instrumental.

00:15:36.000 And it was guys like John Knox and these folks that put together self-governance by looking at the scriptures.

00:15:42.000 And the idea of a constitutional republic, it didn't start in Rome.

00:15:47.000 It didn't start in Greece. 0.98

00:15:48.000 It started in the wilderness with the Jews, three to five million slaves.

00:15:54.000 And the Republic was when Jethro said to Moses, appoint godly men who are not covetous, who love the law over thousands, hundreds, fifties, ten, so you have representative government.

00:16:03.000 And then the Constitution, this immovable structure that would guide them, this moral law, was the Decalogue, the Ten Commandments.

00:16:13.000 And from that came the civil law.

00:16:15.000 And they lived together for 40 years without a police force or a standing army because they were accountable to God and accountable to each other.

00:16:23.000 And so the founders sought to put something like this together, as did these Scottish covenanters.

00:16:29.000 It was brilliant.

00:16:30.000 And you follow that back and you do an honest assessment of history, you'll see that they're contending with colonialism.

00:16:37.000 They're contending with all these issues.

00:16:39.000 So, Bob, and I hope you don't mind us diving into this.

00:16:42.000 I think it's fun.

00:16:43.000 The kids are taught founders love slavery.

00:16:46.000 They embraced it or they were quietly, passively supportive of it, at the very least, because of the Three-Fifths Clause and the Fugitive Slave Act.

00:16:53.000 Why is there more to the story there?

00:16:55.000 Three-fifths.

00:16:56.000 Because those that didn't want slavery, and just say during that same time, it is when they were putting the Constitution together in 1787, and they were operating under the Articles of Confederation.

00:17:08.000 The Congress and the Articles of Confederation hadn't paid the soldiers, and so they created this Northwest Territory, Illinois, Ohio, Wisconsin.

00:17:16.000 But they said that when we give these soldiers, we don't have any money for them, so we'll give them land grants.

00:17:20.000 But in that Northwest Territory, there can be no slavery unanimously.

00:17:25.000 That's Article 6.

00:17:26.000 So everybody's thinking there, okay, this is going to be a dilemma.

00:17:29.000 And so how are we going to work our way through this?

00:17:31.000 Because there were people who said we cannot have this as slavery.

00:17:33.000 And so the South said, well, we want some of those that want to preserve slavery.

00:17:37.000 We want to be able to count our slaves as people.

00:17:39.000 And he said, well, that's fine. 0.52

00:17:40.000 Good.

00:17:40.000 That's wonderful.

00:17:41.000 We'll call them citizens and they'll be allowed to vote.

00:17:42.000 Well, no, no, we're not sure about that.

00:17:44.000 And so, well, and so the South didn't want to give them any recognition at all.

00:17:48.000 And the North said, well, if we want to give them 100% recognition, we want to be counted as 100% and they can vote.

00:17:54.000 And so the compromise was, and the meeting was that they wouldn't be able to vote and that they would be counted as three-fifths for a while.

00:18:01.000 Now, here's the point.

00:18:02.000 The question was not whether or not there would be slavery in the United States in the South.

00:18:06.000 The question was whether there will be a United States of America.

00:18:11.000 That was the question.

00:18:12.000 And so the effort that they had to make these compromises to get over the hump to do something that nobody ever done in all of history and these marvelous, marvelous compromises were made so that this great nation could then lead the world to freedom. 0.79

00:18:24.000 Well, and also just to add, the South did not want blacks or slaves to be able to vote. 0.76

00:18:30.000 They wanted them for a head count for representation in the population that white men could vote with a heavier representation bucket so that they could dominate the country. 0.97

00:18:40.000 Correct. 0.98

00:18:41.000 They never actually wanted blacks to vote. 1.00

00:18:42.000 That's correct. 1.00

00:18:42.000 No. 1.00

00:18:43.000 They were afraid of that.

00:18:44.000 They wanted zero.

00:18:45.000 And the North wanted 100%.

00:18:48.000 And that's where they compromised at three-fifths as they'll be counting towards so that the South cannot overwhelm the Congress by always having and being able to just bring more people to the United States.

00:18:56.000 Well, the South wanted the count, but they didn't want the vote.

00:18:58.000 Meaning they wanted the census to count them, but they wanted them not to be disenfranchised.

00:19:03.000 Because in the lower house, they wanted a greater representation in the House of Representatives.

00:19:07.000 That's right. 1.00

00:19:07.000 So that they could make slavery permanent. 1.00

00:19:09.000 They could make slavery permanent. 0.50

00:19:10.000 And so the three-fifths was an effort to make it ultimately so that they got to 100%, which they ultimately did.

00:19:16.000 Now keep in mind, the reason why there was a compromise is in 1787, you're contending with the threat of Great Britain, the superpower on the face of the earth that had just defeated the second greatest superpower, France, an eminent war where they're not going to settle with this upstart nation.

00:19:35.000 And they've got to come together.

00:19:37.000 And so they have to figure out how do we unify in order to face a greater threat.

00:19:43.000 Otherwise, there won't be a discussion.

00:19:44.000 There won't be freedom.

00:19:46.000 And so it was a three-fifths compromise.

00:19:48.000 And what's marvelous, Charlie, is what people say, you know, when in the Constitution, people like me were only counted as three-fifths.

00:19:56.000 Well, where were you counted as 100%?

00:19:58.000 Or where did you vote? 1.00

00:19:59.000 Well, when the Constitution was passed, women couldn't vote. 1.00

00:20:01.000 Where could women vote? 1.00

00:20:03.000 The answer is no place, ever. 1.00

00:20:04.000 So this is the beginning as we begin to move out of the harbor to get to the place where we are now.

00:20:08.000 Is they're criticized because we didn't jump that far.

00:20:11.000 But they were the ones, the people that still think that way, that still think in the ways of race.

00:20:15.000 They're the ones that never wanted to move down this path at all.

00:20:17.000 They're the party of slavery.

00:20:18.000 They're the party of slavery. 0.86

00:20:19.000 They're the party of the KKK. 0.83

00:20:21.000 They're the party of Jim Crow. 0.98

00:20:22.000 They're the party that says, as mayor of Chicago, I will not talk to white people. 0.99

00:20:26.000 I will not take questions from white reporters. 0.89

00:20:28.000 They're the ones that are constantly trying to establish the race. 0.78

00:20:35.000 God is so disinterested in all of that.

00:20:38.000 God looks at the heart.

00:20:39.000 That's what America always stood for, was for the character.

00:20:42.000 And the opposition to America are people who want to talk to you about skin color and not about character.

00:20:48.000 And the fracturing really began and was something that we were actually on the path to abolishing slavery naturally.

00:20:57.000 It had its own downward trajectory.

00:21:00.000 Vermont did it in 1777.

00:21:02.000 Naturally, nine states, as I mentioned, by the ratification of the Constitution, first ever anti-slavery convention was in 1775 in Philadelphia, overseen by Benjamin Franklin.

00:21:12.000 There was all this movement, and Bill of Rights were a timeless, eternal document. 0.82

00:21:16.000 And then a man came up with the mixture of a new type of cotton, cotton gin, and an insidious idea.

00:21:23.000 Eli Whitney.

00:21:24.000 Well, his name is John C. Calhoun, who was Eli Whitney with the cotton gin.

00:21:28.000 That's right.

00:21:28.000 But John C. Calhoun was where everything changed.

00:21:30.000 He's got, Bob, dude, that insight you have on John C. Calhoun and how Jackson just the vice president for both Jackson and Quincy Adams, if I'm not mistaken.

00:21:40.000 Maybe.

00:21:40.000 That's correct.

00:21:41.000 Yeah.

00:21:41.000 Both of them.

00:21:42.000 But the main thing about all of that, I think, that needs to be made is that no one had ever done any of this before.

00:21:49.000 So the idea of criticizing America, because it's only halfway to first base, everybody else is back in the world.

00:21:55.000 That's like saying it's like, you know, those Wright brothers, that plane couldn't fly coast to coast.

00:21:59.000 It's awful.

00:22:00.000 Absolutely.

00:22:02.000 It never went as high as the trees.

00:22:03.000 My goodness.

00:22:05.000 How dare they?

00:22:06.000 That's perfect.

00:22:06.000 That's exactly right.

00:22:07.000 That's exactly right.

00:22:08.000 People who couldn't make a paper airplane are criticizing.

00:22:12.000 And these people going around here who have produced absolutely nothing are criticizing these marvelous people who sacrificed their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to have, as I said, 4% of the population of the world creates a third of the world's goods and services.

00:22:24.000 Since our founders had instilled in the documents themselves the abolition of slavery, how is it that Andrew Jackson and John C. Calhoun revived this nefarious and evil industry?

00:22:43.000 Where were the shenanigans?

00:22:44.000 Well, it was quarantined.

00:22:45.000 First of all, you couldn't bring any more in under the Constitution.

00:22:48.000 So it's going to die out on the 19th.

00:22:48.000 In 1807, Thomas Jefferson signed the moratorium and in March of 1807, it could not take effect until January 1st.

00:22:55.000 But, brother, they wanted it done.

00:22:56.000 They wanted to know the first moment that it could be done in America, slavery, importation of slaves, so the first nation to abolish the slave trade.

00:23:03.000 So now it's going to atrophy and go away. 0.55

00:23:05.000 But then they came in with a compromise and the great compromiser, which is known as, and that is to bring in a new slave state and begin to expand it. 0.94

00:23:15.000 And the purpose of that was so that you would have senators and you would be able to preserve this horrible institution. 0.61

00:23:21.000 The big fight was in 1824.

00:23:24.000 John Quincy Adams won that.

00:23:28.000 But then the folks from west of the Mississippi, west of the Alleghenies, they were fighting for the chance.

00:23:33.000 And the Democrat, the modern Democrat Party under Andrew Jackson began the march to a genuine slave trader, not of any of the founders up until that time.

00:23:43.000 Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison Monroe, and John Quincy Adams.

00:23:47.000 They were all anti-slavery.

00:23:49.000 John Quincy Adams, or perhaps no one ever in the history of the United States, has been more history of the world that was more anti-slavery than John Quinn.

00:23:56.000 He went back to Congress just for that crusade after he lost.

00:23:59.000 He introduced a bill every day to abolish slavery.

00:24:02.000 And Congress established the Adams Rule.

00:24:04.000 And the Adams rule is you can only introduce a bill once.

00:24:07.000 Once it's there, we got it.

00:24:08.000 You don't need to do it tomorrow.

00:24:09.000 We'll just read the one from yesterday.

00:24:11.000 And so he did it because he hated slavery.

00:24:13.000 And when he collapsed on the floor of the House and was carried off to a corner to ultimately die, his one of the poll bearers was a congressman from Illinois sitting two rows behind him, Abraham Lincoln, who carried on his legacy to the point that finally it had to be abolished. 0.55

00:24:28.000 But those people who are today, look at skin color, those people still wanted to preserve it, but they lost.

00:24:34.000 So if you read Calhoun, which I've done a lot, he was a brilliant guy.

00:24:36.000 There's no doubt.

00:24:37.000 I mean, he was a treacherous guy, was definitely a defender of slavery.

00:24:41.000 He wasn't wrong about everything.

00:24:42.000 He wrote a lot about the family, a lot about order, a lot about custom.

00:24:46.000 But he believed he had a total philosophical difference than the founders.

00:24:50.000 He thought liberty had to be earned.

00:24:52.000 He thought that liberty was something that you were not born with.

00:24:55.000 It's not a right.

00:24:57.000 He says that you have to check a certain amount of boxes, and therefore we have a skin color hierarchy. 0.99

00:25:02.000 And the blacks, because they're owned by us, means they can't get to liberty. 0.63

00:25:06.000 And he wrote rather persuasively, you're not allowed to say this nowadays, but I say it just if you just look at it objectively for the time, where he then connected a somewhat persuasive argument for a group of people that was still wrestling with these ideas with the economic lust that slavery was able to show because of the cotton gin and the new form of cotton that came across. 0.81

00:25:27.000 But John C. Calhoun was really the guy that caused the American Civil War more than anything else.

00:25:31.000 He was the guy that just really led into a lot of, I think, the Southern entrenchment when it came to slavery.

00:25:38.000 It was a decaying cause.

00:25:40.000 It was not something that it was a fringe thing by the 1810s.

00:25:44.000 And then you have Jackson who kind of revived it, but the cotton gin and John C. Calhoun in particular.

00:25:50.000 And Calhoun did not see eye to eye with his own president, John Quincy Adams, on this.

00:25:55.000 I mean, they hated each other.

00:25:56.000 And that was the beginning of the fraction of the American Republic as we know it.

00:26:01.000 That's why we love listening to you, Charlie.

00:26:03.000 Oh, geez.

00:26:05.000 I didn't know all of that about John C. Calhoun, and you stimulate me, and I'm sure others have been doing this.

00:26:09.000 Well, he was a historicist, too.

00:26:11.000 He was a historicist before that was even a term.

00:26:14.000 And so the attention of the American experiment is this idea of historicism, which is rooted in Hegel, which is that we are all inevitably going towards some utopia, that everything has a thesis and a synthesis and a thesis, and that we're marching through this thing in time.

00:26:30.000 Those of us that are Christians totally reject this.

00:26:33.000 Like, hold on a second.

00:26:34.000 We're not going towards some sort of ultimate output here.

00:26:38.000 It's the Tower of Babel.

00:26:39.000 No, we totally reject it.

00:26:41.000 And Calhoun is, I mean, I say there are nine words that every school teacher should know: John C. Calhoun, Nathan Bedford Forrest, and Nicole Hannah Jones.

00:26:52.000 Because they are all the same.

00:26:53.000 Yep.

00:26:54.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:26:54.000 John C. Calhoun was the founder of the skin color movement. 1.00

00:26:58.000 Again, I want to make this clear.

00:26:59.000 He was brilliant on some things.

00:27:01.000 I think we throw out the baby at the bathwater and some of this stuff because some of it's actually really, really good.

00:27:06.000 With that being said, I think he had an evil heart when it came to the ownership of other people.

00:27:10.000 I just want to make that clear because there are some Calhoun defenders out there and they just trim around the edges.

00:27:15.000 He was evil when it came to slavery.

00:27:16.000 Nathan Bedford Forrest is the founder of the KKK.

00:27:19.000 You know a lot about Nathan Bedford Forrest. 0.60

00:27:20.000 Nathan Bedford Forrest screened the first ever movie in the White House, the Woodrow Wilson, Birth of a Nation.

00:27:26.000 It's the first ever movie shown, Democrat and Democrat.

00:27:28.000 And then Nicole Hannah Jones.

00:27:30.000 Nicole Hannah Jones is carrying that tradition forward. 1.00

00:27:32.000 Only difference is that it's a different skin color that they think deserves to be punished and put into oblivion. 1.00

00:27:39.000 Two of them wanted to preserve an old order, and the third one wants to do away with the entire nation. 1.00

00:27:46.000 And that is the historicist part of it.

00:27:49.000 She believes that everything before me has been a problem, and we must keep on changing things for changing sake.

00:27:55.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:27:58.000 If only young people heard all this history, right?

00:28:00.000 Well, Winston Churchill, of course, is my guy.

00:28:04.000 Well, he was a special man, and a young fellow said to him one time, he said, How do I prepare for government?

00:28:10.000 If I wanted to have a life of government service, and he said, study history, study history, study history, for in it you will find all of the secrets of statecraft.

00:28:21.000 That's right.

00:28:22.000 If you look what's happening at the border at this very moment, if you look at what's happening to our currency, printing more money in the first four months of the Biden administration than we have for an entire budget for the entire country ever in the history of the country, when you see what's going to happen to our dollar, when you see what's happened to the border, when you see what's happened, it's all there.

00:28:42.000 It's all historic.

00:28:43.000 It's not new.

00:28:44.000 If you've studied history, you can see it happen.

00:28:47.000 When I was studying history at Fresno State, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I enjoyed the topic.

00:28:55.000 It became my major.

00:28:57.000 And one of the things that caused me to really just attach myself to it was when I saw the word word, his story.

00:29:06.000 And I see this redemptive thread, at least from my worldview, of these things that occur.

00:29:12.000 And so, Charlie, when you're bringing up our colonial history, and we go all the way back to the Reformation, we go all the way back to, you know, even into the wilderness and further back, you see this redemptive hand of God trying to set man free.

00:29:30.000 And then you see the sin nature of man trying to enslave him.

00:29:33.000 And those are the two contending forces.

00:29:35.000 And for me, looking at history, I'm always looking at those things.

00:29:40.000 Granted, as you point out, you don't throw everything out.

00:29:44.000 It's like eating a whole chicken.

00:29:45.000 You eat the meat, spit out the bones.

00:29:47.000 But there are characters of history that we glean from that allow us to understand exactly what he wants to do and what we're to do going forward.

00:29:57.000 And one of the most important things, I think, to learn is that the United States, in my study of history, never in the history of mankind has a nation become the premier nation on earth, but what it didn't seek it.

00:30:08.000 It knew what it had to do to get there, and it knew what it had to do to stay there.

00:30:11.000 With the single exception of the United States of America after World War II, when the entire world was at its feet, it did not ask for leadership, didn't pursue it, and had it thrust upon it. 0.51

00:30:20.000 In my opinion, it conquered lands that it didn't keep.

00:30:24.000 Never has a nation pledge blood and sacrifice and treasure for the benefit of another and never ask anything in return.

00:30:35.000 Well, enough ground to bury our dead.

00:30:36.000 With the single exception of the United States of America.

00:30:39.000 I was speaking to the parliament in Seoul, Korea, and I was on the Veterans Affairs Committee.

00:30:44.000 And by that World War II passing through, now there are lots of veterans from the Korean War.

00:30:48.000 And I point out to them in all of my encounters with them of all the things that they bear in their body, lost over 50,000 dead, et cetera.

00:30:54.000 I have never met a Korean veteran yet who has ever complained about or regretted his sacrifice for their freedom to make that nation that was third from the bottom in wealth to now the 10th richest nation on earth, only so that they could be free.

00:31:09.000 No other nation has ever done that other than America.

00:31:11.000 And I just let me continue on for a moment, if I may.

00:31:13.000 And that is, America has become the standard for righteousness in the world.

00:31:18.000 And so the reason that we send the fleets between Taiwan and China every year is for freedom of passage, because we want to guarantee that the world is free.

00:31:28.000 Now, if there is no United States of America, if there is nobody to appeal, then when that tanker belongs to the British in the Straits of Hormuz is attacked by Iran, there's no place else to appeal.

00:31:38.000 And so the chaos and collapse that would take place in all the areas of copyrights and inventions and communications and travel and all, all of that would fall apart if America is not strong. 0.63

00:31:47.000 So when we see what's happening to America at this moment from within, it's an effort to allow power, not righteousness, but power to control the Pacific, the control, the Straits of Hormuz, et cetera.

00:32:02.000 When you look at a satellite picture at night of the Korean Peninsula, the North is completely dark and the South is lit up with industry.

00:32:11.000 And here we have veterans that contended, and obviously they had a peace agreement where they drew the line.

00:32:17.000 But you pointed out that most of the arable land...

00:32:20.000 75% of the arable land is in the north.

00:32:22.000 Describe how you have two separate governments and why one is decimated and the other is flourishing.

00:32:28.000 Well, I majored in economics, and they explained that the reason some countries are rich and some countries are poor is because some are more aggressive and some have natural resources and others have temperate climates, et cetera.

00:32:40.000 And so I appreciate East and West Germany, same heritage, culture, climate, language.

00:32:44.000 One has socialism, and when the wall came down, 17 times higher standard of living than under communism.

00:32:51.000 North and South Korea, same heritage, culture, climate, language.

00:32:54.000 North Korea got socialism after World War, after the Korean War.

00:32:58.000 South Korea got freedom. 0.91

00:33:00.000 25% of the arable land, mountains, and all the refugees and went from third to the bottom to 10 from the top. 1.00

00:33:06.000 North Korea, same heritage, culture, climate, language, is now over the last decade, 10%, 6 million people, 10% of the population of North Korea in the last decade starve to death. 1.00

00:33:18.000 As you know, food, clothing, and shelter.

00:33:20.000 The first thing you do is food, then clothing, then shelter, but they can't even feed themselves.

00:33:24.000 They eat sticks and leaves to fill up their stomachs.

00:33:27.000 Socialism only fails every time.

00:33:30.000 And the significance of people trying to say about race and that the rich and poor, it's freedom that creates the wealth.

00:33:39.000 And it's not the skin color or the slavery that took place 250 years ago or take some poor little six-year-old boy and he's supposed to be responsible for something that happened.

00:33:50.000 It has none of that. 0.92

00:33:51.000 That is evil.

00:33:53.000 And that's what happens when you abandon God.

00:33:55.000 Then you cannibalize each other and you go by tribe.

00:33:58.000 And when you go by tribe, it's whoever the strongest tribe is.

00:34:01.000 And I like to use the example of our daughter went to Rwanda. 1.00

00:34:05.000 80% of the people are Hoochu. 0.99

00:34:06.000 20% are Tutsi. 1.00

00:34:07.000 80% voted to kill the 20%. 1.00

00:34:09.000 That's what man does without God. 0.86

00:34:11.000 The significance of America is that our rights don't come from the land.

00:34:14.000 They don't come from our skin color.

00:34:16.000 They don't come from our tribe.

00:34:17.000 They come from the same God.

00:34:19.000 You said Joe Biden was struggling to say that?

00:34:21.000 In the press conference, he was trying to explain about America in his meeting with Putin.

00:34:26.000 And he said that our rights didn't come from a power.

00:34:34.000 It came from, and then he stumbled around, but he said we were born with them.

00:34:38.000 He didn't say they came from God.

00:34:39.000 That's almost natural rights.

00:34:41.000 I have to say, he's almost getting back into lock.

00:34:44.000 Calhoun disagreed.

00:34:45.000 Calhoun thought that we are all creatures of the government and the state, and your rights are administered to you based on whether or not you deserve that much.

00:34:53.000 Well, Joe Biden just said today that our rights don't come from the state.

00:34:59.000 I don't know if he meant it or not, but I'll take it, regardless of who says it.

00:35:03.000 I don't know if he meant it.

00:35:04.000 Or even if he remembered it.

00:35:05.000 Yeah, that'll be a question.

00:35:06.000 You mentioned chaos on the southern border. 1.00

00:35:09.000 So Rob, isn't it our moral obligation as Christians to let in every single person from Honduras? 1.00

00:35:14.000 No. 0.97

00:35:15.000 Why?

00:35:16.000 I thought we're supposed to love our neighbor.

00:35:18.000 We do.

00:35:19.000 Okay.

00:35:20.000 Yeah.

00:35:20.000 And open borders and unconditional love are not found in the Bible.

00:35:27.000 When you look at different verses in the scripture, and I have a couple of them here.

00:35:32.000 Let me just see if I can.

00:35:34.000 This is one that is continually used by the woke church that says that we're to have open borders.

00:35:40.000 It's the Christian thing to do.

00:35:42.000 It's out of Leviticus 10.

00:35:44.000 And if a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him.

00:35:51.000 The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself.

00:35:57.000 For you were strangers in the land of Egypt.

00:36:00.000 I am the Lord your God.

00:36:02.000 And then there's other passages where you see the word stranger used, Isaiah 1.7.

00:36:08.000 Your country is desolate.

00:36:11.000 Your cities are burned with fire.

00:36:13.000 Strangers devour your land in your presence, and it is desolate as overthrown by strangers.

00:36:20.000 And the idea is there's two words.

00:36:24.000 There's, I think it's zur and gur.

00:36:29.000 And these two words are totally different when interpreting in the Hebrew as what stranger is.

00:36:36.000 Everywhere in the scriptures, when you look at the original language, the word stranger is somebody who is willing to assimilate or abide by the laws of the land.

00:36:46.000 In relation to Isaiah 1, 7, it's zero. 0.98

00:36:51.000 Excuse me, it's zur. 0.99

00:36:52.000 That word means someone who is an enemy, who comes and has no agreement with your compact, with your constitution, with what you have agreed defined you as a nation. 0.95

00:37:04.000 And then people say, well, there's no boundaries.

00:37:06.000 The book of Acts points out that God made us all of one blood.

00:37:10.000 There's one race, the human race, but he appointed boundaries.

00:37:16.000 And so there's different countries and boundaries and ethnicities, but there is one race.

00:37:22.000 And so boundaries are borders, compacts, constitution, ideology, contending for freedom.

00:37:31.000 So you wouldn't have an open border any more than you would have an open door at your house.

00:37:36.000 You control who comes in and what happens in your home as you would what happens in your city, your county, your state, and your nation.

00:37:45.000 And then in addition, an open border is the unchristian thing to do because it's enticement.

00:37:52.000 I will get arrested or I will be fined or prosecuted if I leave my back gate open and the three-year-old neighbor next door wanders in and drowns in, let's say I have a pool.

00:38:06.000 I would be held liable for that because I entice them.

00:38:10.000 Well, with that enticement, we have sex trafficking, human trafficking, drugs, and there is no controls.

00:38:17.000 And we're thrusting that onto a population that we're supposed to, based on Romans 13, we're supposed to protect. 0.96

00:38:25.000 So, no, it's not the Christian thing to do. 0.94

00:38:27.000 It's the exact opposite. 0.80

00:38:30.000 I'm going to say that in order to have wealth, if we care about the condition of people, there has to be ordered liberty.

00:38:36.000 And if there's disorder, then there can be no liberty.

00:38:39.000 Therefore, be no wealth.

00:38:40.000 And as Rob just said, when you leave your house for two weeks, you lock it.

00:38:44.000 Why?

00:38:45.000 Not to keep out your neighbors.

00:38:46.000 Chances are your neighbors have a key to it.

00:38:48.000 You don't mind them or your family.

00:38:51.000 Who do you want not want in your house?

00:38:53.000 You don't want the drug addict coming in there, building a bonfire in your living room.

00:38:58.000 And now that's why you lock your house when you go off and leave it.

00:39:00.000 It's the same way with a border. 0.84

00:39:02.000 You have a border there to allow people in that you want to come in.

00:39:05.000 But as I just spent two days on the border, Liz and I spent two days on the border last week and talking to the Border Patrol.

00:39:13.000 And they had over 200 meetings during the transition of the Biden election to the Biden being sworn in.

00:39:18.000 And over 200 of these meetings explained, this is what will happen if you do this.

00:39:21.000 This is what will happen if you do that.

00:39:23.000 And so they took notes in order to do those things immediately.

00:39:26.000 So there's lights along the border.

00:39:27.000 They turned out the lights on January 21st.

00:39:29.000 They haven't been turned on since.

00:39:31.000 They said they told the ICE, the immigration and custom enforcement, they told them you cannot arrest anyone.

00:39:40.000 Well, once you can't arrest them, that's just like when de Blasio becomes mayor of New York.

00:39:46.000 It says you cannot arrest a person for defecating on the sidewalk.

00:39:49.000 And so they urinate on tourists when they come because they know that they're not going to be fine for it.

00:39:55.000 The same way for jumping the turnstile.

00:39:57.000 So they gave the orders and it went out in Facebook that these folks could these child traffickers and these human traffickers and these drug dealers that they could form these groups through Facebook.

00:40:08.000 They would come and they would come across and as they bring these people across the border patrol agents, we got pictures of them talking to the smugglers.

00:40:15.000 They're standing there in the water talking to them as they're bringing them across and they go back and get another group and do it again.

00:40:20.000 That this one opening there, they have processed, they don't arrest them, they process it and they give them papers and they've processed more people in the last 90 days than they did in the previous year.

00:40:33.000 But they said they only do it for one out of three, that two out of three, two others out of the three are just disappearing. 0.59

00:40:39.000 But those that have the sheet of paper, they go to the airport, they don't have an ID, they don't have a COVID test, and they put them on the airplane or the bus and they send them to the red states all over America.

00:40:48.000 Hundreds of thousands a week, city of Dayton, Ohio, every five days, just from those locations.

00:40:55.000 So it's an effort to, and here's another thing: that if someone does show up and they're having a struggle, what they'll take is a child and throw him in the water or a woman and throw her in the water and she'll start to drown, knowing that the Americans will go rescue them so as the drugs can then get on through.

00:41:13.000 So it's beyond evil.

00:41:15.000 It's what happens when you have a disordered liberty and our country is vulnerable.

00:41:22.000 Along those lines, one of the reasons why I added that open borders and unconditional love are not in the scriptures is we hear this term, unconditional love.

00:41:33.000 It means without condition.

00:41:35.000 God's love has conditions.

00:41:37.000 For God to love the world, the condition was he had to give his son.

00:41:42.000 If he's going to be just, the wages of sin is death.

00:41:45.000 So he gave his son, and that had to be the propitiation.

00:41:49.000 That had to pay the penalty.

00:41:51.000 So that came with a condition.

00:41:53.000 And then the condition for the receiver, he gave.

00:41:56.000 A gift must be received and believed.

00:41:59.000 And my point is this.

00:42:01.000 Love is not just, hey, do as you please.

00:42:04.000 The Lord chastens those he loves.

00:42:07.000 If you raise children in that capacity, it's a mess.

00:42:13.000 You're not a parent.

00:42:14.000 You're not setting guardrails for their life.

00:42:17.000 And so it's critical that as a nation, these rules are adhered to because it's for the betterment of those who have agreed, paid their taxes, and by consent, allowing these folks to govern who have sworn to defend their sovereignty.

00:42:33.000 And they are.

00:42:34.000 And they're not protecting those borders.

00:42:36.000 These people are coming from over 100 countries.

00:42:38.000 The Chinese are strongly involved, but lots of Venezuelans.

00:42:41.000 Though Venezuelans tend to be wealthier, the government is obviously financing them.

00:42:46.000 And they're males, primarily between ages 15 and 19, which are Army. 0.99

00:42:52.000 And they're infiltrating our country en masse. 0.99

00:42:56.000 And there's no moral obligation for us to open up our country to all people at all times, both legal and illegal immigration. 0.99

00:43:04.000 In the history of America, we've had varying levels of immigration. 0.89

00:43:08.000 And we are way out of whack right now. 1.00

00:43:11.000 After you eat a big meal, you need time to digest it.

00:43:14.000 And I mean it both on the legal and the illegal side.

00:43:16.000 And this idea that all immigration at all times is always going to benefit all people always is an absolute lie.

00:43:22.000 And, you know, I talked to some people.

00:43:24.000 They're like, well, we got to bring people in.

00:43:26.000 No, why?

00:43:27.000 Hold on a second.

00:43:29.000 What if I told you that it's deteriorating the wage conditions of your fellow countrymen?

00:43:34.000 What if we are not even able to service that person, let alone the fellow communities we already have?

00:43:38.000 Now, if it's all about cheap votes and cheap labor, then that's a different conversation.

00:43:43.000 I'm all for allowing certain people to come into the country under certain conditions who want to become Americans.

00:43:48.000 That's right. 0.51

00:43:49.000 Well, and I would say one of the beautiful things about America with regard to refugee, and I'm talking legitimate refugee, where their nation is at war or they're a persecuted people and they come as the Jews did, seeking asylum, willing to assimilate and adhere to our Constitution.

00:44:13.000 Our arms are open.

00:44:14.000 We're happy to have them.

00:44:16.000 But to support business and get a bigger bottom line for corporate America at the expense of the citizenry, sorry, I'm just going to grind it.

00:44:26.000 I'll give you a great example.

00:44:27.000 Elon Omar. 1.00

00:44:28.000 Elon Omar was a refugee, and she's never said a good thing about America. 1.00

00:44:32.000 Never miss something. 0.99

00:44:33.000 And she's a member of Congress. 1.00

00:44:34.000 She hates America. 1.00

00:44:35.000 And that's what we're talking about. 1.00

00:44:37.000 She should be on her hands and knees saying, you know, that would be a zur in the scriptures. 0.97

00:44:41.000 Right.

00:44:41.000 She might say, you know, I might be a super communist or whatever, but thank goodness this country took me in.

00:44:46.000 Instead, she compares us with Hamas.

00:44:47.000 You think Hamas took in Elon Omar and Mogadisha when it was burning?

00:44:50.000 They were offended.

00:44:51.000 You saw that.

00:44:52.000 Hamas was offended.

00:44:53.000 How dare they be compared to Hamas criticized her for being compared to a Jew or to a free American. 1.00

00:44:59.000 That's a good example, though, of an immigrant type, ungrateful and not willing to assimilate. 1.00

00:45:06.000 And the argument that just drives me up the wall is that when Camilla Harris and all of these people say they're coming from these terrible countries, why are those countries terrible? 1.00

00:45:18.000 Socialism creates poverty.

00:45:20.000 In downtown Cleveland, downtown Detroit, in South LA, socialism creates poverty.

00:45:28.000 And so they're trying to escape socialism.

00:45:30.000 I got it.

00:45:30.000 Now, why do you want to do that to our entire country?

00:45:33.000 And you just want to ask the question every time they say they came from, they're trying to escape for a better future.

00:45:39.000 What is their better future?

00:45:40.000 Their better future is freedom and free enterprise.

00:45:42.000 So don't be trying to, you want to sell their economic system here and can't have it both ways.

00:45:47.000 You shouldn't have it both ways.

00:45:48.000 If we had a press, they would ask the question, they wouldn't.

00:45:51.000 So socialism is a massive threat.

00:45:53.000 In addition, though, there might be one even more immediate that you and I chatted about at lunch: corporate tyranny and corporate wokeism, where the same sort of authoritarian impulse can be exercised by some private corporation that we never elected for.

00:46:06.000 There's no check and balance.

00:46:07.000 So the American system has a couple attributes.

00:46:09.000 You know this, you know this, but just to say for our audience, again, independent judiciary, consent to the govern, checks and balances spread over space and time, intentionally deliberate, unquestionable eternal truths, delivered by God.

00:46:21.000 Corporations seem to be kind of immune to that checklist, mostly.

00:46:24.000 What is the check and balance against Coca-Cola?

00:46:27.000 What's the independent judiciary against Google?

00:46:30.000 What is the consent to the govern?

00:46:32.000 How are we, people that respect private property, that love entrepreneurship, that love free enterprise, how are we supposed to deal with these companies that don't share our values, act like Democrat super PACs, and seem more and more hostile towards the very ideas that we've been talking about?

00:46:48.000 Well, that is the dilemma that we face immediately.

00:46:52.000 And just to elaborate, as you said, you couldn't pass a law to say on your corporate board, you must have three people of this skin color, and then three people of that skin color. 0.54

00:47:02.000 And you must have two people that engage in this sexual activity.

00:47:06.000 If you tried to pass those laws to do that, and yet we have BlackRock and we have Morgan Stanley and we have these people are saying, unless you have so many people who engage in this sexual activity on your board, we will not loan you.

00:47:17.000 That is exactly right.

00:47:18.000 And that's where we need to be.

00:47:21.000 Everyone needs to be involved.

00:47:22.000 Everyone needs to be aware and we need to vote.

00:47:25.000 The evangelical, the people that are coaching Little League and teaching Sunday school are not voting in the proportions that they should.

00:47:31.000 And our responsibility is that this country, this lighthouse for the gospel, this hope for the world, is hanging by a thread.

00:47:39.000 And if it can be, and there are those who are deliberately striding to steal it out from under us in order to change these, we talked to the people at the border.

00:47:47.000 I said, where are all these?

00:47:48.000 He said, we have to process these through over the next couple of hours because we're going to get another 2,000 coming on top of them.

00:47:54.000 Or where are you sending them?

00:47:55.000 And every state that they mentioned where they were sending them were all red states. 0.93

00:47:58.000 Demographic displacement. 0.59

00:48:00.000 And so, but, but, Bob, what are we voting for?

00:48:02.000 Because it seems like the Republicans are okay with these companies doing this.

00:48:05.000 Some of them.

00:48:07.000 Political parties and politicians are a representation of the electorate.

00:48:11.000 And the phrase will come to me in a moment when I think about it, is that they are representations of the people that are electing them.

00:48:21.000 And it's essential for us to make those demands.

00:48:24.000 They will respond to what we tell them to do.

00:48:26.000 And we need to be aware of how our rights are being stolen.

00:48:31.000 They need to help us put a stop to it.

00:48:33.000 I would also say, too, that as Abraham Lincoln said, what's taught in the classroom in this generation will guide the nation in the next.

00:48:43.000 That's a paraphrase.

00:48:44.000 But we've watched as our educational system has created these CEOs.

00:48:50.000 And the conservative mindset is, oh, you know, they've got this socialist teacher in their college.

00:48:57.000 But once that kid gets out, he'll realize once he gets a job.

00:49:01.000 And if you're not a liberal when you're young, you're heartless. 0.99

00:49:04.000 If you're not a conservative when you're older, you're brainless.

00:49:08.000 But the truth is, and that was a conservative position looking at these kids who are being educated.

00:49:13.000 Well, they graduated and now they're CEOs of Coca-Cola and they're in the NFL and the NBA and the MLB and they're in the halls of Congress and they've been educated this way and they're implementing that.

00:49:29.000 So it's a long game here, Charlie.

00:49:32.000 There needs to be a complete re-educating of our children and returning it to the parents where we don't entrust them to, especially in California, the CTA, the California Teachers Association.

00:49:45.000 It has no interest in educating our children, but indoctrinating them.

00:49:49.000 So we really have to wake up and we need to be at those school board meetings.

00:49:49.000 That's correct.

00:49:54.000 We must attend them.

00:49:55.000 This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

00:49:58.000 We should be contending for the lives of these kids.

00:50:01.000 And every church in America should have their congregants contending.

00:50:06.000 This isn't even partisan.

00:50:08.000 I'm not asking you to be a part of a party.

00:50:10.000 I'm asking you to contend for the welfare of your children in your city.

00:50:14.000 What is being put into their heads?

00:50:18.000 I'm getting to the place where it comes to the corporations that if they're of a certain size or magnitude, they must be the Bill of Rights must then apply.

00:50:26.000 And they've otherwise been able to skirt and say, we're a private company.

00:50:29.000 We don't have great ideas.

00:50:31.000 It's a very provocative idea.

00:50:32.000 It's not a perfect idea because then you're going to be imposing a lot of different oversight.

00:50:37.000 But I'm talking about a company like American Airlines.

00:50:40.000 I'm talking about a company that American Airlines takes political statements.

00:50:44.000 They are now doing political contributions.

00:50:46.000 And I think to myself, hold on. 0.99

00:50:47.000 I got delayed all the time from American. 1.00

00:50:50.000 You guys got plenty of problems. 0.77

00:50:51.000 God bless you guys for doing what you're doing.

00:50:53.000 But we bailed you out last year.

00:50:54.000 That's correct.

00:50:55.000 We bailed you out because you said we can't survive without the money and their stock price is going to be at a record high soon, right?

00:51:02.000 Because that's the way this works.

00:51:03.000 And then they have the audacity to come out alongside Delta Airlines and say that voter ideas not share our values because of the Georgia voting law, which was not even close to being enough that they don't share their values.

00:51:16.000 And so at some point, it's either there has to be a place where there's rules for political engagement if you take certain types of money from federal government, like Amtrak.

00:51:24.000 Amtrak can't speak out.

00:51:26.000 They're super inefficient.

00:51:28.000 I'm not suggesting that anytime soon.

00:51:30.000 But there's rules that Amtrak can't just issue a press release saying that we have a stance on the Georgia voting law.

00:51:37.000 No one cares about your Georgia voting law.

00:51:38.000 That's good.

00:51:39.000 Delta.

00:51:40.000 And the point is that natural rights are worthy of being protected.

00:51:44.000 And the threat to natural rights is happening through two different types of kind of, let's just say, groups.

00:51:50.000 The first group is from our government.

00:51:52.000 It is a leviathan.

00:51:54.000 It's growing.

00:51:54.000 It's creepy.

00:51:56.000 But there is a check and balance against it.

00:51:58.000 We can sue our government.

00:52:00.000 And in certain states, you're more free than not.

00:52:02.000 The second is these private companies and conservatives who are just completely unaware or uninterested in even exploring the ideas of how to hold them accountable.

00:52:11.000 I'm afraid we're going to live in a Russian-style corporate oligarchy.

00:52:15.000 And that's a very scary set of circumstances where we're controlled by 10 companies and we really don't have the natural rights we once enjoyed because of the private companies.

00:52:25.000 So if a company is big enough that if it fails, the nation is going to suffer.

00:52:25.000 Let me see.

00:52:30.000 So the government bails them out.

00:52:34.000 It seems like that would be a prime opportunity to implement what you say.

00:52:40.000 Like, I mean, so, for example, the stimulus money should have been like, hey, if you take more than $100 million in this PPP.

00:52:46.000 You're bound by these.

00:52:47.000 Yeah, you got a political neutrality thing.

00:52:50.000 Congratulations, America.

00:52:51.000 No more contributions and no more statements.

00:52:53.000 You're going to fly airplanes.

00:52:55.000 That's a pretty simple rule, right?

00:52:57.000 You're basically a government taxpayer-funded entity anyway.

00:53:00.000 You're an NGO at that point.

00:53:02.000 American Airlines is an NGO, and the tech companies are a separate argument.

00:53:07.000 That's just a great example.

00:53:09.000 Another one is Hyatt, right?

00:53:11.000 So Hyatt took all this PPP money to go give J.B. Pritzker an extra $2 billion, who's the governor of Illinois and a total disaster.

00:53:19.000 Hyatt is the most liberal hotel chain you can imagine.

00:53:22.000 Penny Pritzker gets all of her money from there, who is the head of the Department of Commerce for Obama.

00:53:26.000 Why does Hyatt get all the taxpayer-funded money when no one was going to hotels? 0.99

00:53:29.000 And then they could turn around and then fund all these Democrat candidates and tell us how racist we are.

00:53:34.000 Without the taxpayers, would you have survived, Hyatt?

00:53:36.000 I don't know.

00:53:37.000 Maybe not.

00:53:38.000 And so it kind of begins this thought process of if you're going to take taxpayer fund and bailouts, there's got to be a political neutrality to it.

00:53:46.000 I like it.

00:53:46.000 I do too.

00:53:47.000 Especially at a certain scale.

00:53:48.000 And the tech companies are a completely separate issue. 0.78

00:53:51.000 They're acting like tyrannical, authoritarian third world governments.

00:53:55.000 And I think platform access is a civil right. 0.89

00:53:58.000 That's where I'm.

00:53:59.000 That's right.

00:53:59.000 And you tell the president of the United States that he can't say something?

00:54:03.000 Who would have ever thought such a day would come?

00:54:05.000 And they got away with it.

00:54:06.000 Their stock price went up.

00:54:07.000 Their uses went up.

00:54:09.000 They still are.

00:54:10.000 And so this whole idea of nothing but competitive pressure has not yet played out.

00:54:15.000 I'm a big Rumble fan, R-U-M-B-L-E.com.

00:54:18.000 We put everything on Rumble, but we're dealing with a different type of a company.

00:54:23.000 So Ford Motor Company was very unique.

00:54:27.000 They created the assembly line.

00:54:29.000 Henry Ford, a mixed guy, somewhat of a racist, but super great entrepreneur.

00:54:29.000 We know the story.

00:54:33.000 But Ford existed so that you could get from point A to point B better and quicker.

00:54:39.000 He didn't make the car to addict you to the car.

00:54:42.000 These tech companies, they exist to have you be addicted.

00:54:46.000 Their whole business model is more screen time.

00:54:49.000 It's a different type of thing.

00:54:51.000 And then you're dealing with.

00:54:52.000 You're the product.

00:54:53.000 Precisely.

00:54:54.000 They're selling you.

00:54:55.000 Henry Ford was not selling you.

00:54:56.000 He was selling you a car.

00:54:58.000 And so now we're dealing with different, market principles always apply.

00:55:01.000 With that being said, the market principle of these tech companies is that if the market principles apply, then they're just going to get better at selling us.

00:55:10.000 And that's a whole different.

00:55:11.000 Then, all of a sudden, they're using market principles to almost put us in some of an intellectual prison.

00:55:17.000 I'm getting to a place where I think we have to rethink the way we handle these tech companies.

00:55:20.000 And for politicians to say that the reason we gave them taxpayer money is because they're in a condition through no fault of their own.

00:55:28.000 Well, whose fault was it?

00:55:29.000 It was your fault that you told them they couldn't run the restaurant, that they couldn't travel to a hotel.

00:55:35.000 So, you're the one.

00:55:36.000 So, in this effort to have this revolution, this socialist revolution, you created the dilemma, then you came in to fix it by taking other people's money and creating a national debt, and then they own us.

00:55:46.000 So, it's the whole thing's in the mirror.

00:55:49.000 But to get back to what Rob said about schools and things, we've seen this coming, Charlie, and I believe it's now here, and people are waking up left and right.

00:55:58.000 They're beginning to see it.

00:56:00.000 Parents are beginning to see it.

00:56:01.000 People, and I put them on my comments all the time when we see some school board member or some school doing something terrible, I always put at the top: this is what happens when people don't know who their school board members are.

00:56:12.000 And for the first time ever, and I've been strongly concerned about this for the last couple of years, I see people getting involved in school board races because they hire the superintendent, it's not the teacher, they hire the superintendent, the school board does it, then they hire the superintendent who then hires the teacher.

00:56:27.000 You and I hired the school board, so that teacher is there because what you and I put on that school board.

00:56:32.000 And when we now are getting involved in education, and as you said so well, it's not that these kids are all socialists, they don't know squat about anything, they don't understand free enterprise, they don't understand that all wealth, all wealth is created in a free market.

00:56:46.000 Socialism just redistributes what somebody else made, socialism doesn't create anything, and that they don't know, but nobody has told them that.

00:56:52.000 So, now as people are beginning to become awakened, I'm very optimistic that this is what this is the day that we have hoped and prayed for for a long time.

00:56:59.000 Yeah, the silver lining to the lockdown is that there's been an exodus from the public school system in a larger way than ever before.

00:57:08.000 And parents are beginning to see what their children were being horribly and realizing that they're good teachers and they can actually teach their kids, empower them, empower them.

00:57:16.000 That's right.

00:57:16.000 Yeah, educational revolution is underway.

00:57:18.000 Yeah, that's the solution.

00:57:20.000 What else are you working on, Rob?

00:57:22.000 Well, mostly working with you, Charlie, on the turning point faith and watching churches across America start to realize that we have a responsibility in the ecclesia or the ecclesia, the public square, and awakening to that, that liberty is not man's idea, it's God's idea.

00:57:41.000 And every church that has joined us, Charlie, has experienced exponential growth.

00:57:47.000 I mean, exponential growth.

00:57:49.000 And as Vodi Bachman pointed out, this fault line in his book: the woke churches and those churches that are awakening to liberty and their responsibility to declare it and defend it, those churches are growing, and the woke churches are not.

00:58:06.000 And people are wanting leadership in these unprecedented times.

00:58:14.000 And I'm grateful that Bob's here for this reason.

00:58:18.000 And I love this about this man.

00:58:20.000 In some of the most difficult circumstances that I've seen in this country in 56 years, this man is an optimist.

00:58:28.000 He's an optimist because he can see the 40,000-foot view and he never gives up.

00:58:33.000 And this ideal and this dream of America has always inspired me.

00:58:40.000 And to realize the combination of his faith and, as we've shared on this program, Aristotle, politics being the highest form of community, morality and sociability combining is the hope for this nation.

00:58:55.000 If you don't mind, Charlie, one of the most inspiring stories, especially on leadership, and that's what we're looking for right now in this vacuum that's been created by a president that can't put a sentence together.

00:59:10.000 how overnight something can change.

00:59:13.000 And you shared one time, and I remember being a young boy, Jimmy Carter's president.

00:59:19.000 My parents, I mean, double-digit interest rates.

00:59:23.000 They were struggling to make ends meet.

00:59:26.000 My father was part of the military and he had decimated the military.

00:59:29.000 You drive over the Coronado Bay Bridge and the Pacific Fleet was in ruins.

00:59:34.000 It just looked like a mothball fleet.

00:59:37.000 And there wasn't a lot of hope in the country at that point.

00:59:40.000 And, you know, Carter comes on and wearing a sweater and tells everyone to turn the thermostats down.

00:59:45.000 You were a congressman back then.

00:59:47.000 Tell the story, if you would.

00:59:48.000 And because it's so inspiring about commuting from Ohio to D.C. Charlie, you'll love this.

00:59:55.000 Well, people have tried to destroy free enterprise.

00:59:58.000 And with the creative capacity, they keep going around it.

01:00:02.000 So now they've begun to learn that one of the best ways to do it is to step on the oxygen hose.

01:00:06.000 If you just shut it down so that they can't have electricity or heat or air conditioning.

01:00:10.000 And so Jimmy came in and did that.

01:00:12.000 He said, we need to learn to live with less, ride your bicycle, wear your sweater.

01:00:16.000 America's coming to an end next Tuesday a week.

01:00:18.000 There isn't anything anybody can do about it.

01:00:21.000 And he shut down all of the logging and all of the drilling.

01:00:25.000 And sure enough, there's a shortage of gasoline.

01:00:27.000 And so people could only go on alternate days.

01:00:30.000 And they could only get a certain amount of gasoline.

01:00:32.000 So they could treat you like you're on an airline nowadays.

01:00:36.000 I mean, when Nurse Ratchet comes up and down the hall screaming at you for not having your mask over your nose, it used to be that they were trying to treat you nicely.

01:00:43.000 So if you had so much gasoline, you're only open for three, four, five hours.

01:00:49.000 And when Democrats or when liberals do this, when the left does this to something, they never take responsibility.

01:00:55.000 They said, this is the way it is.

01:00:56.000 Inflation is going to explode next year.

01:00:59.000 And they're going to say, well, that's just, Biden didn't have anything to do with that.

01:01:02.000 Well, it's just the way that it was.

01:01:04.000 So Jimmy did all of these things, just like Biden is doing now.

01:01:07.000 And sure enough, interest rates went to 21%.

01:01:10.000 Inflation went to 18%.

01:01:12.000 Gasolines were short.

01:01:13.000 And they said, that's what the future is.

01:01:15.000 Ronald Reagan came along and said, nonsense.

01:01:17.000 He said, there's nothing wrong with this country that proper leadership can't cure.

01:01:20.000 And so we had the election.

01:01:22.000 Let me just say that also during that 1980, because America was as mothballed, only one plane in three was airworthy, only one ship in three could sail.

01:01:31.000 America was on the ropes.

01:01:33.000 They had a conference of African unity, now called the African Union.

01:01:38.000 And the first conference, the speaker was the president of the Soviet Union, landed at Brezhnev.

01:01:42.000 And he said, this is 1980, looking into 1989.

01:01:45.000 He said, because of what we, the Soviet Union, are doing, by the end of this decade, we will be able to work our will any place on the planet.

01:01:53.000 The correlation of forces, economic, military, and political, on the side of socialism and communism.

01:01:57.000 Ronald Reagan comes in and says, nothing wrong with America.

01:02:00.000 Forget this nonsense.

01:02:01.000 And so he took all the regulations.

01:02:03.000 First of all, we all got elected November of 1980.

01:02:06.000 And between November and January, when he took office, Liz and I drove back and forth six times to Washington from southern Ohio.

01:02:13.000 We knew there was not a single filling station open after 3 o'clock in the afternoon.

01:02:17.000 If we didn't have a full tank of gas, we weren't going to make it home that night.

01:02:20.000 And so Ronald Reagan comes in.

01:02:22.000 He takes all those regulations.

01:02:23.000 He opens up oil, lets you drill, do things, take all those regulations, throw them in the Potomac, kill the fish, free the country.

01:02:30.000 And Liz and I are driving home for Easter, and she's asleep on the front seat.

01:02:35.000 I live in a place called Hillsboro, Ohio, on a hill.

01:02:38.000 And as you come up, there's three filling stations one block off the center town.

01:02:42.000 And those filling stations were all closed by three or four in the afternoon for over a year under Jimmy Carter.

01:02:47.000 We come at 11 o'clock at night.

01:02:49.000 All three of those filling stations are open.

01:02:51.000 And I wake her up.

01:02:52.000 I say, Lizzie, look, I said, had we not won, that wouldn't have taken place.

01:02:57.000 Well, we elected Donald Trump.

01:02:58.000 Donald Trump said, we don't need to send our money to people that hate us and tell us when we can have oil.

01:03:03.000 We've got enough here.

01:03:04.000 Number one source of natural gas on the planet.

01:03:08.000 And within a matter of 18 months, America is energy independent.

01:03:12.000 And so now we've elected folks that gone back, and now we're dependent again.

01:03:15.000 The leadership is what makes the difference.

01:03:17.000 We don't need to be to fear the future.

01:03:19.000 We just need to do the right thing.

01:03:21.000 And America can and will do it.

01:03:24.000 Amen.

01:03:25.000 I believe that.

01:03:26.000 We can turn everything out.

01:03:27.000 No.

01:03:28.000 It's perfect.

01:03:29.000 Email us your thoughts, everybody.

01:03:30.000 Freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:03:32.000 Congressman Bob McEwen.

01:03:33.000 Oh, Charlie.

01:03:34.000 Awesome.

01:03:34.000 Pastor Robert Coy.

01:03:35.000 Thank you guys.

01:03:36.000 Thanks, Charlie.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 20, 2021

Contending for the Truth About America with Congressman Bob McEwen and Pastor Rob McCoy

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