The Charlie Kirk Show - Convicting a Murderer with Candace Owens and Rep. Bob Good

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Candace Owens joins the program to talk true crime and a new project she has.

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00:01:18.000 Very special guest joins us now, the legendary Candace Owens.

00:01:23.000 Candace, welcome to the program.

00:01:25.000 We are here to talk about a new project of yours that is very, very exciting, Convicting a Criminal, which is a response to this Netflix series, Making a Murder.

00:01:35.000 We have a trailer, but first, Candace, welcome to the program.

00:01:38.000 Tell us all about it.

00:01:39.000 Hey, good to be back.

00:01:40.000 Yeah, I'm really excited about this, Convicting a Murderer, which is really an answer or a reflection rather on Netflix's Making a Murderer, which was a cult phenomenon at the time that it was released in 2015, telling the story of Stephen Avery.

00:01:54.000 And if you walked away having binged that series, it was about this poor guy who was wrongly convicted and held in prison for 12 years, which is accurate, by the way.

00:02:03.000 He was actually held in prison for 12 years for something that he didn't do, which was the sexual assault and attempted murder of a young woman.

00:02:12.000 And at no fault of the police, the woman survived the attack and pointed him out in a lineup.

00:02:16.000 And so they, this was free DNA.

00:02:18.000 They lock this guy up for 12 years.

00:02:20.000 DNA technology gets better, forensics gets better.

00:02:23.000 And they actually realize that they've got the wrong guy in prison.

00:02:26.000 They release him.

00:02:28.000 He's out for two years.

00:02:29.000 And suddenly he's under suspicion and arrested for a disappearance and eventually the murder of another woman named Teresa Hallbach.

00:02:37.000 And so it was an interesting storyline and people were gripped by the plot.

00:02:40.000 And it was very much became White Lives Matter in that people were outraged, believed that this man was innocent, that they were framing him for the murder of Teresa Hallbach because of a pending lawsuit.

00:02:54.000 It created tribalism online.

00:02:55.000 Celebrities weighed in.

00:02:56.000 Trevor Noah, Chrissy T, and all the usual suspects claiming that this guy, Stephen Avery, had been wrongly convicted and that this was a case of bad cops, rotten cops.

00:03:07.000 And so it just turns out really that Netflix left out a lot of very important details and it becomes really fun to dive into true crime, especially because I'm a woman, women love true crime, but also because it still speaks to the political nature.

00:03:24.000 I don't know why we implicitly trust documentaries and celebrities to tell us the truth.

00:03:28.000 We shouldn't by now, but it really gets into really our mentality with propaganda.

00:03:34.000 And Netflix is always a willing participant in sharing propaganda.

00:03:39.000 There's so many important aspects to this.

00:03:41.000 I want to make sure everyone knows how to watch your response, Convicting a Murderer.

00:03:46.000 You guys, if you have a Daily Wire membership, you could do that.

00:03:49.000 Unveils the shocking truth behind one of the most controversial criminal cases in recent history.

00:03:54.000 Let's play the trailer.

00:03:54.000 It's really beautifully put together.

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00:04:02.000 Do we have Stephen Avery in custody?

00:04:03.000 Netflix made millions of dollars from making a murderer, but the filmmakers left out very important details.

00:04:10.000 Mountains of evidence that you have not yet seen.

00:04:12.000 The blood vial.

00:04:13.000 The most egregious manipulation from the movie.

00:04:16.000 Interrogations.

00:04:17.000 That's when he started beating me because I told him that he's sick.

00:04:21.000 Cell phones.

00:04:21.000 And I saw melted plastic parts on a cell phone.

00:04:24.000 Interviews. 1.00

00:04:24.000 Her arms were pinned behind her head. 1.00

00:04:26.000 They made Stephen Avery look like a victim.

00:04:28.000 You believe your brother's guilty?

00:04:30.000 I don't know if I'm a suspect.

00:04:32.000 I got an eye.

00:04:38.000 I'm getting sick and tired of media deception.

00:04:41.000 Evidence piling up.

00:04:43.000 Why would they omit so many different things?

00:04:45.000 Why are you editing my testimony?

00:04:49.000 I am not going to make the same mistake that the filmmakers did.

00:04:53.000 Rearranging the testimony, they delete a portion of it at the end.

00:04:58.000 How could they claim to care about the truth?

00:05:00.000 They all know that Stephen Avery committed this crime.

00:05:06.000 311, what is your emergency?

00:05:09.000 The evidence forces me to conclude that you are the most dangerous individual ever to set foot in this courtroom.

00:05:18.000 That is not what you would learn if you just watch Netflix.

00:05:22.000 Good for you, Candace, for responding to this.

00:05:25.000 I have an interest.

00:05:26.000 I have a question, Candace.

00:05:27.000 In our audience chat and also from our feedback and just from kind of anecdotes, the true crime genre seems to be overwhelmingly consumed by women.

00:05:37.000 Why is that?

00:05:38.000 Men don't seem as interested in this.

00:05:40.000 I'm just curious, why do you think that is?

00:05:42.000 It's really actually interesting because I was doing Lauren Chen's podcast, or no, rather, she was jumping on an X Space with us and she said the same thing. 1.00

00:05:49.000 It's really dominated by women. 1.00

00:05:50.000 We love ID TV. 1.00

00:05:52.000 We love watching a criminal mystery.

00:05:54.000 And I don't know what that is.

00:05:55.000 It might just be women's intuition.

00:05:58.000 We're maybe fascinated by the idea that somebody can trick someone, you know, and trying to lean into.

00:06:05.000 I think we're really fascinated by psychology and things of that nature, but there definitely is some sort of a biological proclivity that women have to these sort of true crime mysteries that men don't have, which is fascinating to look at.

00:06:17.000 But this particular case, actually, men were very invested in this as well.

00:06:22.000 And I think it might have just been because of what was going on culturally at the time.

00:06:25.000 I mean, they dropped this docuseries back in 2015.

00:06:29.000 BLM was just starting to get its footing in America. 0.94

00:06:31.000 There was this rise of anti-police sentiment.

00:06:34.000 And of course, it was seized upon by the mainstream media, not because they cared about this young woman who was horrifically murdered, by the way.

00:06:40.000 Teresa Hallbach was, you know, raped by two men.

00:06:43.000 She was shot. 0.94

00:06:45.000 She was stabbed. 0.82

00:06:46.000 She was set on fire in a burn pit and cut into a million pieces.

00:06:49.000 That's literally how this young woman died at 22 years old.

00:06:52.000 And the documentary makers didn't care.

00:06:54.000 You had these two lesbian documentary makers who were catching sort of a political wave of anti-police sentiment who wanted to essentially make a profit and perhaps suggest, which they heavily suggested, that this man could potentially be innocent, which we revealed their prison phone calls, which we got the hold of, where they were clear about their intentions, that they believed that he was innocent and were willing to steamroll over Teresa's body, her family, and the grief that they were going through.

00:07:21.000 But yeah, it is really a psychological phenomenon, and you are accurate, that women tend to lean more into this category.

00:07:28.000 But the answer to that, I don't know.

00:07:30.000 I'm just kind of amused by it.

00:07:32.000 Yeah, I have a couple theories.

00:07:34.000 The one that I would say is that men are more interested in macro, talking about the stock market, politics, philosophy.

00:07:41.000 There's a lot of very personal elements to true crime, right?

00:07:44.000 That it could be in your neighborhood, in your home, or your child.

00:07:48.000 There's something to it that is really interesting.

00:07:48.000 I don't know.

00:07:51.000 And so I never saw the original Netflix documentary.

00:07:54.000 As you all know, Candace, I'm not the most pop culturally literate person out there.

00:07:59.000 Just kind of build out for our audience, though, just how widespread of a phenomenon this was and how it moved people's sentiments.

00:08:07.000 I mean, you would walk away thinking you're a subject matter expert on policing and look at this poor guy when in reality, I mean, this guy is now a convicted murderer and was allegedly wrongfully convicted in 1985.

00:08:22.000 But do you think he actually was wrongfully convicted, Candace?

00:08:26.000 Yes.

00:08:27.000 Any person, whether you're a person that believes he's guilty or of this particular crime of Teresa Hallback or not, will agree that he was wrongfully convicted.

00:08:33.000 They actually ended up arresting the guy and putting him away who actually did commit the murder.

00:08:37.000 She just, this woman who survived this horrific attack pointed to the wrong guy.

00:08:40.000 It was the wrong blonde guy, kind of a similar build. 0.94

00:08:43.000 And she did the media circuit after talking about how horrible she felt that she put this man in prison for 12 years, something that he didn't do.

00:08:51.000 The thing that is not really told is that he was also serving a sentence at the same time, six years of that 18 years that he was in prison total was something that he did do.

00:09:00.000 He was very much a person that was capable of violence.

00:09:02.000 We show in the first couple of episodes, you know, he was torturing animals.

00:09:07.000 I don't know that the average individual grabs their house pets, douses them in gasoline, and throws them into fire because they just want to have fun one night.

00:09:15.000 You know, we tend to understand how a person can start with torturing animals and move on.

00:09:20.000 He was in prison, or he has a married cousin.

00:09:23.000 He ran her off the road, put a gun to her head and ordered her into the car.

00:09:27.000 Fortunately, or unfortunately, she had a small toddler in the car with her and she begged him to just allow him to drop off her toddler.

00:09:34.000 And then he had a second thought and turned around because he didn't know what to do with as he was following her.

00:09:39.000 So he had a whole history of violence.

00:09:41.000 And when Netflix spoke about it, they diminished it and they downplayed it.

00:09:45.000 And this sort of what you're really seeing, like I said, playing into early anti-police sentiments was people having their emotions hijacked by this Netflix docuseries, showing you a man that just got out of prison for something that he actually didn't do.

00:09:59.000 He's hugging his family.

00:10:00.000 He's back.

00:10:01.000 They sort of present him as this close-knit, wonderful family.

00:10:04.000 When you watch our docus series, you're going to understand that the family is filled with sexual deviance. 0.72

00:10:09.000 There's so much pedophilia.

00:10:10.000 They've pled, you know, not, they pled guilty to pedophilia within their own family.

00:10:15.000 But far be it from Netflix to tell you any of that.

00:10:18.000 The whole concept was this dejected man who just kind of wanted to get back to his family and his family roots.

00:10:24.000 And now, oh my gosh, he's being framed by the police.

00:10:28.000 And what was really fascinating to me about this case and why I wanted to jump into it, Charlie, was because it wasn't divided across political lines.

00:10:36.000 It wasn't like conservatives thought he was guilty and liberals thought that he wasn't.

00:10:40.000 This happened in 2015 and people on both sides thought that he was plausibly innocent, which is really fascinating.

00:10:47.000 You know, to go back and even pull conservative tweets, people thought that he was plausibly innocent, which really shows you how much we've moved as society from our reliance and belief in the mainstream narrative to where we are today, where I don't think that would be as possible following the collapse of the George Floyd narrative.

00:11:01.000 But that was the beginning of trying to make criminals look like they were heroes.

00:11:06.000 It really started with making a murderer.

00:11:08.000 Very important project, Convicting a Murderer.

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00:12:38.000 Candace, I was looking at the top podcasts in America.

00:12:40.000 Four out of 20 of them are true crime podcasts.

00:12:43.000 When I see the media, more particularly Hollywood, go all in on certain narratives.

00:12:48.000 I can't help but wonder what is their political objective.

00:12:51.000 Do you think more times than not, when they cover these stories, they're overly sensationalizing them to maybe make law enforcement look bad, to maybe try to get defund the police type narratives?

00:13:03.000 In this one in particular, it seemed as if to almost create a sympathy campaign for a criminal, not for a victim.

00:13:11.000 Candace, your reaction.

00:13:12.000 Bingo, I would say that you hit the nail on the head.

00:13:15.000 It's absolutely about whatever political objectives are of the day.

00:13:20.000 And at this time in 2015, as I hit upon, you know, BLM was brewing, and we know exactly what that's led to now today.

00:13:26.000 And so, this is why the documentary makers were able to do this late night circuit.

00:13:31.000 You had Trevor Noah, and he was really pushing the race narrative with this Stephen Avery.

00:13:35.000 He was like, Now you white people understand, you know, that you thought it was just black men that were going through this until you see this is happening to Stephen Avery.

00:13:42.000 So, this idea that Stephen Avery was innocent and the whole system was behind him, and you didn't think that it was plausible.

00:13:47.000 And now, white people can see too the injustice of the entire system.

00:13:52.000 Enter in BLM and give them all of your money.

00:13:55.000 And so, of course, you had Alec Baldwin.

00:13:58.000 You update he killed someone, but back then he was defending a person who had killed someone, being Stephen Avery, and screaming about his innocence.

00:14:07.000 But the thing that is really horrific to really think about this, and this is what people don't consider, is that when celebrities do lend their voices to this, when Alec Baldwin pretends to be outraged, I mean, he was so despicable that Alec Baldwin, you know, Teresa Hallbach, the victim in this circumstance, has a deeply faithful family.

00:14:25.000 They basically never spoke to the press, a committed Catholic family, and they only allowed the brother, her elder brother, it might be her younger brother, to speak out on very rare occasions.

00:14:37.000 And Alec Baldwin ripped him apart, saying he was faking his emotions.

00:14:41.000 This led to conspiracy theories that Teresa was still alive, people that were committed to the idea that she was in Mexico, that she followed the cows.

00:14:48.000 I mean, wild conspiracy theories.

00:14:50.000 And the family was attacked.

00:14:52.000 It was attacked.

00:14:53.000 So imagine losing your sister in this horrific way.

00:14:56.000 And then you have someone like Alec Baldwin leading the charge on conspiracy theory, saying that your emotions are not right because he's extracting you for 10 seconds, maybe in a courtroom.

00:15:07.000 Who knows what he's looking at?

00:15:08.000 And it's such filth, it's such vitriol.

00:15:11.000 And it is such a backwards way of looking at our society where we attack the actual victims and we celebrate the criminals.

00:15:18.000 And when I say celebrate the criminals, Charlie, I mean Stephen Avery had multiple fiancés in prison, love letters, women that were, you know, sending him pornography, women that he's been dating because it turned him into a celebrity because people believed that even in the face of overwhelming evidence that he was guilty, that perhaps he wasn't and the system was just crooked.

00:15:37.000 I encourage you guys to check it out.

00:15:39.000 Candace deserves a lot of credit.

00:15:40.000 And by the way, also, while you have that Daily Wire membership, you could check out her documentary, which really made BLM go into hiding.

00:15:49.000 Congratulations, Candace.

00:15:50.000 You made them all disappear, all the BLM people. 1.00

00:15:52.000 As soon as you did your documentary on them, you don't hear much from Patrice Cullers or from any of those people.

00:15:58.000 I wonder why.

00:15:59.000 So check it out.

00:16:01.000 And honored to be working with Candace on Blexit.

00:16:04.000 And Candace is going to be doing several campus tours with us this fall.

00:16:08.000 Excited to get all those details announced.

00:16:10.000 I think we have Georgia Tech and Buffalo and a couple others.

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00:16:19.000 Candace, great job.

00:16:20.000 Talk to you soon.

00:16:21.000 Thanks so much.

00:16:22.000 Thanks so much for having me, Charlie.

00:16:23.000 Talk soon.

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00:17:25.000 Okay, joining us now is Congressman Bob Good, who is a fighter in the House of Representatives.

00:17:32.000 And there's a lot of questions today.

00:17:34.000 Congressman Good, your initial reaction to Speaker McCarthy announcing an impeachment inquiry.

00:17:41.000 I have some pretty heated thoughts on all of this, but I want your initial reaction and then we'll dive into it.

00:17:46.000 Congressman Good.

00:17:47.000 Well, I have long maintained that Joe Biden deserved to be impeached because of the border.

00:17:52.000 In my view, no president in the history of the country has done more to intentionally harm the United States than what he's done in his first two and a half years with 7 million illegals invading the country, not being permitted to do so by the Biden administration, but being facilitated by the Biden administration.

00:18:06.000 How do we as a Republican House continue to let that go on?

00:18:10.000 We don't need any more evidence for that.

00:18:11.000 We don't need any more investigation that they're willfully, purposely violating their constitutional oaths, and we ought to impeach the president for that.

00:18:18.000 That said, I do think that there's been tremendous work done by the Oversight Committee led by Chairman Jamie Comer.

00:18:25.000 And I think there is just mounting, growing implication of President Biden himself.

00:18:30.000 Much of that, of course, during the time when he was vice president, that he was complicit, involved, a party to, a recipient of the corrupt business dealings that were perpetrated by the Biden crime family.

00:18:41.000 And so I do think this is the right thing to do.

00:18:44.000 I think an impeachment inquiry is called for, and I'm glad to see that move taking place.

00:18:50.000 I think it should have taken place even more quickly or even sooner, but I think it is right to do it, even if it's at this time and point in time.

00:18:58.000 So, Congressman, here's my concern.

00:19:00.000 I'm 100% on board.

00:19:01.000 I think Joe Biden's a traitor to the United States and that some people in Gitmo have done less than him for selling out the country, being a Chinese agent, Chinese Communist Party agent, amongst many other things. 0.99

00:19:10.000 He's a liar. 1.00

00:19:11.000 His son is the scum of the earth, all that stuff. 1.00

00:19:14.000 My concern is that all of a sudden they're pulling this out of their back pocket right now, the moderates, as we have this massively important 930 looming deadline, the 30th of September, which is the whole ballgame, the big enchilada, if you will. 0.99

00:19:14.000 Here's my concern. 0.99

00:19:28.000 And I'm afraid, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm afraid that there might be some deal between the moderate wing and some conservatives where they say, oh, well, we have the impeachment in Korea and now we can do a dirty resolution on 930.

00:19:41.000 Can you give us some peace of mind that these are two separate things, that there will be no major concessions when it comes to 930 just because of the advancement of the impeachment in Korea.

00:19:53.000 Congressman Good.

00:19:54.000 Well, that's a great question.

00:19:55.000 There has been speculation by many, as you know, that perhaps this is a distraction or perhaps this is an effort to kind of show some semblance of toughness as it pertains to going after President Biden when we have not demonstrated any toughness, I would argue, as a party from our leadership in battling for the country on issues and particularly spending issues, as you know.

00:20:16.000 The number one responsibility of the House is to fund our government appropriately for the things that are necessary and justified constitutionally in the proper role of federal government and to protect our ability to borrow when necessary.

00:20:29.000 We have obviously fumbled that for decades.

00:20:31.000 We're at just a terrible crisis point with our national debt and our deficit.

00:20:36.000 As you know, Charlie, we're about to run a $2 trillion deficit with the Republican House.

00:20:42.000 We could do that with the Democrat House.

00:20:43.000 We don't need a Republican majority to run a $2 trillion deficit, $150 billion a month.

00:20:48.000 As you know, we came from the horrible Failed Responsibility Act, the debt ceiling agreement that raised the debt unlimited, as much as we can gleefully come together and spend until January of 25, with essentially no conditions to that.

00:21:01.000 It essentially maintains all the Biden, Pelosi, Schumer spending.

00:21:05.000 So that said, I will tell you this.

00:21:07.000 I can speak for my conservative colleagues whom I collaborate with, and there is absolutely no deal.

00:21:14.000 There is no, we are not in any way going to back away or surrender or weaken our position on the funding, on the appropriations, on the budget battle here.

00:21:24.000 And there's been no conversations that I am at all aware of to that effect.

00:21:28.000 And I'm quite certain that none of my colleagues who I collaborate with are involved in that in any way.

00:21:33.000 Okay.

00:21:34.000 And that's terrific to hear.

00:21:35.000 So let's now get to 930, because if I were to, look, some of the moderates that I don't get along with in the caucus, I could just see what they're going to do here, right?

00:21:45.000 They're going to privately say, hey, look, you guys get your little impeachment red meat.

00:21:49.000 Now give us more money for Zelensky and, you know, let's not shut down the government.

00:21:52.000 Congressman, let's get, what is the order that we're asking for on 930?

00:21:56.000 From our perspective on this program, it's Jack Smith, it's about the border, and it's about no clean checks to Ukraine.

00:22:04.000 I'm sure these negotiations are ongoing, and the Freedom Caucus and your colleagues have been doing a great job of really setting the standards and setting the negotiation table for 930.

00:22:15.000 Is there a willingness to shut down the government if necessary?

00:22:18.000 Is there a red line where you guys are not going to cross?

00:22:21.000 What are the big asks here?

00:22:22.000 Walk us through some of the inside baseball as much as you can give us, because our audience is fired up.

00:22:27.000 They're tired of seeing, I hate this idea of clean resolution.

00:22:30.000 That's why we call it a dirty resolution.

00:22:31.000 It's the same thing. 1.00

00:22:32.000 You're funding the same dirty, scummy, toxic government. 0.67

00:22:36.000 Are we going to get some cuts to DOJ, Jack Smith?

00:22:39.000 Help us The realistic expectations here in this negotiation budget fight.

00:22:46.000 The sad truth is, we all know from past history that it would be, you would take the bet of failure, a failure of Republicans to deliver.

00:22:54.000 We've got $32 trillion in national debt, about $100,000 per citizen.

00:22:58.000 Republicans have been complicit and contributed to that, as we both know.

00:23:02.000 Yes, Democrats are better at spending.

00:23:04.000 Yes, Democrats have been worse.

00:23:05.000 Yes, this administration has spent more in two and a half years than any presidency in the history of the country in two and a half years, but Republicans have been part of that.

00:23:12.000 And that's what January was about, Charlie.

00:23:14.000 As you know, to go back to January, January was about not doing what we've always done, not letting the American people down again, not betraying the trust they placed in us, and not having a Republican majority, and then doing what we did with the Failed Responsibility Act, which is to pass major spending bills or major pieces of legislation that deal with the nation's finances or economic situation with a majority of Democrat votes.

00:23:38.000 And so the Speaker has a choice, Charlie, to your question.

00:23:41.000 The Speaker has a choice.

00:23:42.000 He can reform the conservative coalition that existed for the first four months of this Congress.

00:23:47.000 He can keep his commitments that he made to some individuals in order to get their votes back in January, which was to go back to pre-COVID level spending for non-defense discretionary.

00:23:56.000 We can pass all 12 of our bills advancing Republican priorities and reversing the harmful policies of the Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi regime over the last couple of years.

00:24:05.000 And we can send it to the Senate.

00:24:07.000 And then it's up to the Senate to pass those bills in order to keep the government open or to prevent a shutdown.

00:24:12.000 We can do it with 218 votes in the House.

00:24:15.000 Democrats cannot, Charlie, as you know, they cannot pass their bills without Republican votes.

00:24:19.000 They don't have 60 votes in the Senate.

00:24:21.000 I've heard some senators criticize the House Freedom Caucus and say, hey, well, this isn't going to fly in the Senate.

00:24:26.000 Well, the only reason it won't fly in the Senate is if Republicans vote with Democrats to give them the 60 votes to pass Democrat bills.

00:24:33.000 And so this Speaker can be a transformational historical speaker that stares down the Democrats, that stares down the White House, that stares down the Senate and frankly just says no and says, we've done our job.

00:24:43.000 We've passed our bills if we do that, mind you.

00:24:47.000 And then it's up to the Senate to act on those bills in order to avoid a government shutdown.

00:24:51.000 And what I've said publicly many times, as you know, is that we shouldn't fear a government shutdown and we shouldn't pass bad legislation or cave to the Democrats or fail the American people to avoid the consequence of a shutdown or the risk of a shutdown.

00:25:06.000 If we have to use shutdown leverage to get there, then we should use shutdown leverage to get there.

00:25:09.000 But the House can do its job and the House can pass Republican bills that cut our spending and advance our policies.

00:25:16.000 What you just walked through sounds incredibly rational.

00:25:20.000 What would some of your more moderate colleagues object to that?

00:25:23.000 I mean, we're talking about sending to the Senate some very prudent adjustments in the federal budget, especially given that the Department of Justice is eliminating our federal elections right now.

00:25:36.000 We're trying to put Donald Trump in prison for 500 to 600 years.

00:25:40.000 I'm just curious when you're walking the halls.

00:25:42.000 You don't have to name any names, but I would like you to kind of just convey some of the oppositional attitude because our audience is really confused and losing patience.

00:25:51.000 Who that calls himself a Republican?

00:25:53.000 What are they saying when you say, hey, let's cut some of this stuff or let's send it to the Senate?

00:25:58.000 It seems very weak.

00:25:59.000 Just kind of clue us in here to what you have to deal with every single day.

00:26:03.000 To be honest, Charlie, what we're asking for, at least as the House Freedom Caucus position, the official position, is again to go back to pre-COVID levels for non-defense discretionary, meaning we're not dealing with mandatory this year at least, not Social Security Medicare.

00:26:19.000 We've allowed defense in principle at least to stay where it was because we've got some issues there and try to keep our defense hawks, if you will, on the team on that.

00:26:30.000 But then to go back to pre-COVID levels for non-defense discretionary spending.

00:26:35.000 That only boils down to about $115 billion year one cut.

00:26:40.000 It's an embarrassingly modest, reasonable number, if you will.

00:26:45.000 We're running about $150 billion a month deficit.

00:26:49.000 Now, so, but that was what the speaker committed to in January to my colleagues who negotiated an agreement with him.

00:26:56.000 There were 14 of the 20 who went and did that.

00:26:58.000 Six of us, as you know, never changed our vote.

00:27:00.000 So we weren't part of that specific agreement.

00:27:02.000 But it was reported and agreed to that we would go back to pre-COVID levels.

00:27:07.000 That was also what every Republican or almost every Republican voted for in the Limit Save Grow bill, except for three or four who wanted even more and couldn't bring themselves to vote for that modest figure.

00:27:17.000 But there were a lot of other good reforms that were part of Limit Save Grow.

00:27:20.000 So that's sort of the principled position that the House Freedom Caucus has held to.

00:27:23.000 We ought to at least be able to do that, advance our policies, which are really important within the legislation, but also to cut spending some degree with a Republican majority and recognizing that we're operating with one half of one branch of government.

00:27:38.000 But what we cannot do, of course, is to just business as usual, fail the American people and do what the senator, Republican senators are calling to do.

00:27:47.000 That said, Charlie, I think what you ask, hey, why would there be an objection to that?

00:27:50.000 I think there's a few different things.

00:27:52.000 Sometimes when you win with 51%, some of my colleagues, they're all worried about the 49% that didn't vote for them.

00:27:59.000 And they're afraid to take tough votes and tough stances because of the 49%.

00:28:03.000 And I'm always saying to them, worry about the 51%. 1.00

00:28:06.000 Do what you told them you would do.

00:28:07.000 Don't betray their trust.

00:28:09.000 And you know what?

00:28:09.000 You might win with 52, 53% next time.

00:28:12.000 I won with 52% the first time that I ran and acted as a bold, courageous conservative, I believe.

00:28:19.000 And I won with 57% the second time.

00:28:21.000 But then what other Republicans do is they tell themselves, we're going to fight next time.

00:28:25.000 This time we just can't do it.

00:28:27.000 This time's not the right time because maybe we don't have enough of a majority.

00:28:30.000 We don't have the Senate or there's an election coming next year and things are just too, but we're going to fight next time.

00:28:36.000 And as you know, next time never gets here.

00:28:38.000 I think they want to do the right things, but they're fearful or they fall in line and listen to leadership or they just tell them, or they just don't want to make the tough decisions because anytime you cut spending, somebody is impacted by that.

00:28:50.000 Somebody is benefiting from that spending, whether or not you might argue whether or not they should or not benefit from that spending or whether or not it's appropriate.

00:28:58.000 But they tell themselves they'll do it next time.

00:28:59.000 But doggone the Republican House should show that we have the stomach to stop borrowing from our kids and our grandkids, bankrupting our country.

00:29:07.000 The days, Charlie, of spending without consequence are over.

00:29:11.000 We're seeing record 40-year inflation.

00:29:13.000 We're seeing interest rates being rising because of a futile attempt to combat the inflation that wasn't from a hot economy, but there was an inflation caused by the spending.

00:29:23.000 And then we're also seeing our credit downgraded for only the second time in history.

00:29:27.000 So again, the days of spending recklessly and arriving at debt to debt to GDP ratios we haven't seen since World War II.

00:29:37.000 The consequence, days of doing that without consequence, are over.

00:29:40.000 I think the American people are increasingly realizing there's a connection between spending and the impact on them.

00:29:46.000 Congressman Bob Gooden, hold the line.

00:29:48.000 We are behind you.

00:29:49.000 Thank you so much.

00:29:50.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:29:53.000 It's easy to blame Joe Biden for our border crisis. 0.94

00:29:57.000 It's easy to blame the traitor, Mayorkas. 1.00

00:30:01.000 It's hard to blame Republicans.

00:30:04.000 It's hard to blame the Republican Party for not doing its job.

00:30:09.000 I don't know if we have this particular clip actually of Tucker Carlson going after Greg Abbott, but Tucker gave a very powerful speech this last weekend in Michigan that touches on some of these themes.

00:30:20.000 And I want to play this and we'll riff on it.

00:30:21.000 Let's play Cut 38.

00:30:23.000 The left, I will say to their great credit, are masters of organizing.

00:30:28.000 They are dutiful.

00:30:30.000 They show up.

00:30:31.000 They are disciplined.

00:30:34.000 And they are willing to put aside their differences for the sake of achieving a common goal.

00:30:39.000 They don't argue with each other in public.

00:30:41.000 They just all say the same thing.

00:30:43.000 They all vote for the same person because they know their strength and numbers at all.

00:30:48.000 They won't just sit around and wait for whatever the new lie of the day is and then just repeat it with dead eyes on television.

00:30:55.000 Liberals have no problem doing that because they know that's the path to power.

00:30:59.000 But they're right.

00:30:59.000 It is the path to power.

00:31:01.000 Organizing is the path to power.

00:31:03.000 Organizing is the path to power.

00:31:05.000 And we, as conservatives, are not as good at that because we're focused on our faith and our family.

00:31:09.000 Tucker talks about this in particular.

00:31:11.000 They are collectivists by nature.

00:31:13.000 Democrats love power.

00:31:14.000 We don't seek power.

00:31:15.000 We would rather have a beautiful community, not have our homes overrun by third world foreigners, people speaking the same language, an appreciation of our history. 1.00

00:31:25.000 Politics is not the ultimate desire for conservatives.

00:31:29.000 And they're using that against us.

00:31:31.000 Play cut 39.

00:31:32.000 Conservatives, on the other hand, are very focused on their family, their faith, their jobs.

00:31:39.000 Politics comes at least fourth in their hierarchy of concerns.

00:31:44.000 And they also have integrity and self-respect.

00:31:48.000 So it's very hard to get a conservative person to repeat some talking point he doesn't actually believe.

00:31:53.000 Should Republicans care more about political power?

00:31:56.000 We have to.

00:31:58.000 Now, we think with our own opinions.

00:32:01.000 Individually.

00:32:02.000 We don't think collectively.

00:32:03.000 Democrats say, oh, just tell me what to think.

00:32:05.000 Tell me what to do.

00:32:07.000 They're far less worried about individual rights, individual sovereignty, family formation, strong local community institutions.

00:32:15.000 The state gives them that purpose for them.

00:32:18.000 That's exactly what Marx talked about: the ruthless criticism of all that exists, constantly criticizing power structures to then go get power.

00:32:27.000 Herbert Marcuse said the same thing in One Dimensional Man.

00:32:30.000 So did Michelle Foucault and Jacques Derrida, the postmodernist thinkers of the 50s, 60s, and 70s.

00:32:36.000 Tucker Carlson then is making the most headlines for this.

00:32:39.000 And if you live in Texas, you need to listen carefully and closely.

00:32:43.000 Play cut 48.

00:32:44.000 How many Texans do you think are all on board with letting 7 million people cross into their state illegally?

00:32:50.000 What percentage?

00:32:52.000 Zero.

00:32:53.000 I don't care what your race or national origin.

00:32:55.000 Nobody is for that.

00:32:56.000 That's insane.

00:32:58.000 Has the governor of Texas done anything meaningful to stop that?

00:33:01.000 No.

00:33:01.000 The Republican governor?

00:33:03.000 He's got a National Guard.

00:33:05.000 He's the commander-in-chief of the National Guard, and it's Texas.

00:33:07.000 So they're all large.

00:33:10.000 And they have double-stacked magazines in their sidearms.

00:33:13.000 You think they couldn't stop that in a week if they, of course, just assemble along the border.

00:33:18.000 We're not doing this.

00:33:20.000 No, he refuses to do that.

00:33:23.000 He won't do it.

00:33:24.000 And it's not like no one suggested.

00:33:25.000 I've suggested it to him three times, including in private at a cocktail party in Dallas last year.

00:33:30.000 What are you doing, man?

00:33:31.000 Don't you have a National Guard?

00:33:32.000 Why don't you seal the border?

00:33:33.000 Oh, it's very complicated.

00:33:34.000 No, it's not.

00:33:35.000 No, it's not.

00:33:37.000 If someone's trying to break into my house, it's not complicated to repel the person.

00:33:42.000 Do you have a firearm or don't you?

00:33:43.000 Are you willing to defend your house and your children or aren't you?

00:33:47.000 Why isn't Texas closing the border?

00:33:50.000 That clip keeps going and going, by the way.

00:33:53.000 And Tucker increases the pointed criticism of Governor Abbott.

00:33:57.000 If you live in Texas, you should not allow a single illegal foreigner coming into your state. 1.00

00:34:01.000 Why are they letting that happen?

00:34:04.000 It's a good question.

00:34:08.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:34:09.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts.

00:34:10.000 As always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:13.000 Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.

00:34:18.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - September 12, 2023

Convicting a Murderer with Candace Owens and Rep. Bob Good

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