In this episode, President Donald Trump sits down with Turning Point USA President Charlie Kirk to discuss a variety of topics, including: Pro-Life vs. Pro-Prison Should the government be involved in the death penalty? Is it a contradiction to be pro-life and pro-choice ? What is the difference between an "eye for an eye" and a "second eye"? Does the government have the right to kill unborn babies?
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00:01:15.000Alright, so when I first came here, you were talking to a man in blue, and I don't recall what you said verbatim, but you were talking about pro-life, and then you said there was a, like, to make a label of, like, killing people, and I, do you see how that could be a contradiction?
00:02:12.000I do to a certain extent, but if you take a life, I think your life should be taken.
00:02:16.000And you said you agree with the statement, an eye for an eye.
00:02:21.000Generally. I think there's far more profundity to that statement than people realize, but I appeal more to the Christ standard, beyond an eye to an eye, turn your cheek to the other.
00:02:32.000But I do believe, I think there's a lot more To the Old Testament teaching of an eye for an eye, then people realize, can I tell you what it is?
00:02:41.000So you think of an eye for eye just as revenge.
00:02:44.000What it did is it showed that even if you're rich, even if you're poor, that no person's eye is worth another person's eye.
00:02:51.000It's a statement of human equality, meaning that even if you're rich, you don't get to take two eyes from somebody, meaning that you don't get to go beyond the limits of what is taken to you.
00:03:02.000How I see it is like an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.
00:03:05.000Yes, however, there's a teaching in the book of Leviticus, in Leviticus 19, that says that in the administration of justice, you shall never favor the rich or the poor, but you should basically have blind justice, if that makes sense, where justice in itself is what to every person is due based on what you did, not based on who you are, where you came from, where your father is, how much wealth you have.
00:03:44.000Sorry. Do you think that Trump giving buyouts to air traffic control and FAA employees is a good idea?
00:03:50.000Especially if all the plane crashes going on right now.
00:03:53.000I agree that the government is too bloated, but I feel like air traffic control is very important for safety and should not be cut, and instead look at alternatives.
00:04:00.000I will note, one of the things I know is that during COVID, the training center all employees have to go through in Oklahoma is closed.
00:04:07.000So it's going to take a while for new employees to get the four-year training to fill back up.
00:04:11.000So I want to know, what is your solution to this?
00:04:14.000Because I don't think what's happening right now is exactly great because of all the plane issues.
00:04:19.000Well, first of all, there's no evidence that the amount of plane crashes is actually any more than previous years.
00:04:23.000It's just that we're paying attention to it more because of the singular really bad one that happened in Washington, D.C. There was also the one in Toronto that happened.
00:04:42.000The question is, yes, I think all federal agencies should be subject to cutting the bloat.
00:04:46.000The bigger issue, where President Trump deserves credit, which maybe you can agree on, maybe not, is that the people who are doing air traffic control, they should be there based on merit, not based on skin color.
00:04:57.000We want the best people to be air traffic controllers.
00:04:59.000Even though I don't think that's the cause of the crash.
00:05:02.000I'm not saying it is, but you can understand how we can get to a lackluster air traffic control grid if we don't have the best and brightest being air traffic controllers.
00:05:11.000Also, do you agree with Trump's recent take, I think it was yesterday or the day before, on Ukraine starting the war?
00:05:18.000We all saw the headlines the day that Russia invaded Ukraine first.
00:05:24.000So I want to know, why do you think he said that Zelensky started the war?
00:06:08.000There was a meeting in Istanbul, Turkey between Tony Blinken and Boris Johnson and the Russian foreign minister and the Ukrainian government came and blew up the entire thing and a million people unnecessarily died because of it.
00:06:27.000Okay. Do you think that Doge will succeed in cutting the debt?
00:06:31.000Recently, a bill by Republicans for this year's budget is being considered and will increase the debt ceiling and might increase the debt with the tax cuts they are proposing.
00:06:38.000I'm someone who agrees with someone like Javier Millet is doing in Argentina, where he is cutting out government institutions to reduce the debt inflation.
00:06:44.000But it seems like this bill I mentioned will increase the debt and is going the opposite of what Doge...
00:06:50.000Yes, I think they will be successful in some capacity.
00:06:55.000The deeper question is, will Congress come alongside of it and actually accompany the cuts?
00:07:02.000I do think that some Republicans, with the increase in the debt ceiling, are going the opposite of the goals of Doge, which is to decrease the debt and try to get a fiscal surplus.
00:07:15.000And if we're just going to keep increasing the debt ceiling, then we're just going to get into more debt.
00:07:19.000I agree, but increasing the debt ceiling is sometimes necessary to create more space.
00:08:35.000It depends on what you mean by a necessity.
00:08:37.000Look, the government needs to have a monopoly on nuclear weapons.
00:08:40.000The government does not need to have a monopoly on hospitals.
00:08:43.000Okay, so to clarify, necessities for life-sustaining, so food, water, shelter, medical care.
00:08:47.000I think that private sector forces in those spaces have been better and will be better because you have better quality goods, more accessibility to them, more innovation, and over a period of time, more people get access to them.
00:08:59.000So, for example, the Soviet Union nationalized the distribution of food and you had widespread famine and starving.
00:09:05.00030 million people died of famine and starving.
00:09:07.000If you read Stalin's journals, he could not figure out why the collectivization, nationalization of agriculture didn't work.
00:09:14.000Yeah, I'm not here to discuss central planning.
00:09:23.000I think it's just as flawed a system as anyone.
00:09:26.000I want to take more of a mixed market approach here.
00:09:29.000Specifically for necessities, I think when you're dealing with necessities in the private market, it creates perverse incentives to make worse quality commodities than under a nationalized system.
00:09:56.000An even better one, which I struggle with, not that I'm saying we have to nationalize, is what happens when you have pharmaceutical companies that don't want you to get better but want you to keep on buying the same drug over and over again, and you have a sick care system.
00:10:15.000We can nationalize and have a federal department of food.
00:10:20.000Or we could say we want a thousand different entrepreneurs to make really healthy food based on new guidelines and standards.
00:10:25.000I would prefer, of course, more entrepreneurs to try to get into this space than trust the federal government to try to fix this problem and nationalize the industry.
00:10:34.000However, you are correct that left to their own devices, major corporations are no better than government, especially when it comes to addictive toxins in our bodies.
00:10:45.000They don't care about making healthy stuff.
00:10:47.000They'll poison us with the Skittles that they feed us, or the Snicker bars, or the cereal, or the Coca-Cola, or the Red Dye 40, the Glyphosate, whatever the stuff is, right?
00:10:55.000And that does, on the surface, make it a harder argument to defend a purely profit-based market system.
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00:12:20.000Yeah, so even under a purely capitalist system where we have multiple competitors, how do you prevent, without government intervention, the cartelization of corporations?
00:12:31.000The first and foremost way is you have to make sure regulation is not benefiting the incumbent actor in power.
00:12:37.000So we see this in banking, it's the best example, where it's so hard for upstart banks to be able to compete with Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan, Citibank, because the amount of paperwork it takes, hundreds of millions of dollars in legal compliance fees.
00:12:49.000So regulation can be used as a tool to actually protect the incumbent economic force.
00:12:54.000Number two is that if and when there are monopolies, we should break them up.
00:13:18.000Those companies largely have doubled and tripled in size.
00:13:21.000Because we told them, you must go make a vaccine that does not work, which is really a therapeutic and not a vaccine, by the way, and we're going to pay you hundreds of billions of dollars to go do this, and you guys have to go take it or else you can't go to college.
00:13:33.000It doesn't matter if you get myocarditis, pericarditis, or your friends start dropping dead.
00:13:36.000You've got to keep on taking the vaccine.
00:13:38.000So what does that mean from the government side?
00:13:41.000A lot of these companies only get as big as they get because of favorable government contracts and oligoplic practices.
00:13:48.000Yeah, but I wouldn't necessarily say that it's strictly...
00:13:52.000I think the fact that we are subsidizing private companies is the issue in itself.
00:13:59.000And because we are subsidizing private companies, it allows us to extract more value out of the government than if we just nationalize the system.
00:14:06.000If you look at Scandinavian countries, they have a largely nationalized medical system, and they pay less for...
00:14:11.000The government pays less for drugs as well as citizens living in that country, and they have higher quality of life.
00:14:25.000But there's a lot of danger in that, too.
00:14:27.000Anytime we talk about nationalization, you are giving more and more power to a faceless, unelected bureaucrat to be able to intervene with your life.
00:14:35.000I definitionally have a problem with that.
00:14:37.000I instinctively have a problem with that.
00:14:40.000The current hospital model and our current healthcare system is so broken, it's so treacherous, it's so beyond.
00:14:47.000And here's where I think you and I can agree, before we get into nationalization or socialization, we'll get to the next question, is that we have a root cause issue.
00:14:54.000I think that the biggest issue in American healthcare, this is a little wonky, is insulin resistance.
00:14:59.000We have way too many people eating carbohydrates that they do not need.
00:15:03.000I think that causes type 2 diabetes, end obesity, depression, anxiety.
00:15:07.000Now that comes from a lot of different places.
00:15:09.000To your point, because it's a good point, you have companies that would rather make the cheap, addictive, carbohydrate heavy product for a six year old than one that is using avocado oil or one that is better ingredients.
00:15:23.000If we don't come up with one, then your side is going to win and everything's going to get nationalized, unfortunately.
00:15:29.000But there has to be a market-based solution because the current system right now, where we have like three big food companies and six major drug companies, and they're all working in tandem together to make you guys sicker, fatter, and quite honestly, more suicidal, more depressed, more anxious, least likely to thrive.
00:15:47.000I believe a vast majority of America's problem is The food that we're eating.
00:15:53.000And then you would say, but Charlie, they're incentivized to be that way, and you would be right.
00:16:31.000But basically, it kind of showed that greed is a learned trait within children.
00:16:34.000And I think that stems under capitalism that...
00:16:39.000Greed necessarily creates the negative self-interested idea that we have of humanity, where if we nationalize a system that removes the profit motive, we do not have those perverse incentives.
00:16:48.000You are way more Marxist than I thought.
00:16:52.000We're going to have totally different worldviews on this.
00:16:55.000And you actually articulated it really well.
00:16:57.000But on the left-wing Marxist socialist side, they believe human nature is generally good and that it's capitalism in our system.
00:17:07.000That has infected our decision-making.
00:17:11.000Fair? Yeah, like a Rousseau-esque take.
00:17:14.000Yes, okay, so I have a much more, let's just say, Hobbesian view of human nature, which I believe, because it's Christian in nature, I believe human beings, as it says in the book of Genesis and repeated, is that the heart of man is flawed from beginning, that it's not taught by capitalism, it's not any sort of system.
00:17:31.000And let me try to prove it to you, I don't know how convincing I'll be.
00:17:34.000In even the most communist totalitarian government, Like China or in Russia where they got rid of all private property, people still did bad stuff.
00:17:41.000They still stole, they still lied, they still cheated, they still committed adultery.
00:17:45.000So we can get rid of all the private property, people will still do bad stuff.
00:17:49.000Secondly, I encourage you to look less at studies and maybe one day you'll be a father and you'll see it yourself.
00:17:54.000I have a two and a half year old daughter.
00:18:04.000And you realize, like, these are, you know, treacherous little creatures that need to be taught goodness and told no because they're not the center of the world.
00:18:12.000We, as Christians, generally believe that people are generally not so good.
00:18:17.000Marxists will believe that people are generally good.
00:18:19.000And from there come our two different worldviews.
00:18:21.000Because, therefore, if you think people are naturally good, then you must find something to blame for all the problems, which is capitalism, racism, misogyny, Western civilization.
00:18:31.000We say, hey, all the problems, Start with the mirror.
00:18:35.000We think the man in the mirror is the start of your problem.
00:18:38.000So, therefore, again, that's not a criticism.
00:18:41.000We would say the problem is you need to do less marching in the streets to try to end climate change and more about getting yourself in shape, waking up earlier, stop doing drugs, stop doing alcohol, and becoming a better person.
00:18:53.000Again, that's not a criticism of your worldview.
00:18:55.000I just want to make sure people understand the difference.
00:18:57.000Do you think humanity lacks an innate sense of care for others?
00:19:01.000Of course, but I think it is built into us.
00:19:04.000So this is where communism comes from.
00:19:07.000Marx believed we were inherently social creatures and that we inherently were far more willing to be in a commune than not.
00:19:15.000We have to just get rid of all of these problems.
00:19:51.000And you might say it's because they were flawed from the beginning in a capitalist system.
00:19:54.000But I think it's an important distinction, and it really is the tension point between...
00:20:00.000I will say there's certain socialization issues that come with people that are in prison that come from the social system at which they inhabit.
00:20:07.000But also, I think it comes from a deprivement of material conditions that leads prisoners to act the way they do.
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00:27:34.000He swore an oath that he was going to try to revive this country under any means possible, and he's doing a better job at it than almost any politician in the modern era, thanks to President Trump as well.
00:28:01.000This is a very important distinction, though, is that Elon Musk is not some shadow character that we were not aware of when we went and voted for Donald Trump.
00:28:07.000Elon Musk was campaigning with Donald Trump for 30 days straight.
00:28:11.000Elon Musk was a top surrogate for Donald Trump.
00:28:13.000The American people and voters knew that if they voted for Trump, they were going to get Doge.
00:28:17.000Right? And so the American people voted understanding that with Donald Trump comes an element of Elon Musk.
00:28:24.000You would have a good argument, in my opinion, if Elon was like totally secret and then just popped up in like January like, ooh, actually I'm in charge.
00:28:31.000But no, this was the most transparent agenda team ever presented.
00:28:35.000And so I, yes, technically you're right, he is unelected, but the essence of him being involved was...
00:28:40.000100% notified and decided by the American people.
00:28:44.000That's true, but at the end of the day, isn't it still like we're going towards oligarchy because we have a very rich man who's influencing our government directly?
00:29:05.000do nothing and enjoy his money and be a fat cat.
00:29:08.000He can go become a George Soros type and spend all the money against the country, or he can be a patriot and get involved and try to save the country.
00:29:16.000We're never going to get rid of rich people, regardless of what all the Marxists say.
00:30:05.000I voted for Trump in November, and I agree with most of his stuff, like cutting government spending and stuff like that, but I don't agree with cutting back on stuff for climate, because I feel like energy security is important, and I feel like green energy is the future.
00:30:30.000Which, by the way, goes against the previous point, just to be clear.
00:30:33.000Elon Musk has made a ton of money on the electric vehicle mandate, of which he's helping get rid of the electric vehicle mandate that made him super rich.
00:31:02.000My name is also Charlie, and I'm a huge fan.
00:31:04.000I opened my own Turning Point chapter in Trinity a couple weeks ago, or a month ago.
00:31:10.000I'm only a junior in high school, and I actually skipped school to come talk to you today.
00:31:16.000So, I just recently did a huge project on cryptocurrency, and I know that Trump No, so what he wants to do, we have to figure something out with crypto.
00:31:38.000So we have to figure out what it actually is.
00:31:41.000So is it an asset or is it a currency?
00:31:48.000Yes, but there needs to be a third category, right, that is created.
00:31:53.000And that third category, you can call it whatever it wants, because the problem is this.
00:31:56.000If it's a currency, then it's regulated completely differently by the federal government.
00:32:00.000In order for something, it's not the word asset, it's something of value with an issuer.
00:32:26.000Therefore, it's really kind of mysteriously valuable.
00:32:28.000But if it goes in the currency side, then it's directly competing with the US dollar, and it goes under all sorts of different types of regulations.
00:32:33.000So you need to probably create a third category.
00:33:47.000In China, we value education as our number one priority.
00:33:50.000Because through education, we can improve our social status and become a more valuable member in society.
00:33:55.000How do we plan to do that if we take down the Department of Education?
00:33:57.000We believe we have a different view of education than the Chinese.
00:34:01.000The Chinese, which actually is our current model, they look at educators as carpenters to make kids carved in a certain way to be widgets in a broader system.
00:34:09.000In its true essence, educators should be more like gardeners, allowing kids to grow into what they possibly can become, into a full and complete citizen, and having their soul deepened in the beauty and the richness of life.
00:34:37.000I actually would rather have us have millions of thoughtful, deep, philosophically-minded good citizens that know what it is to think critically, and they can solve any problem that comes after them.
00:34:49.000The Department of Education is an administrative state.
00:34:52.000It is this massive beast that is way overfunded, way overbloated, More administrators than not.
00:35:00.000And if we want to compete with China, we're not going to out-totalitarian them.
00:35:04.000Instead, we should do what is necessary for a free society to continue to exist.
00:35:08.000The only way a free society exists is if citizens know what liberty is.
00:35:12.000It's the only way a free society can continue.
00:35:18.000So we're going to push a lot of the money back to the states, and we have to empower parents to be more actively involved in their kids' education.
00:35:25.000This is another thing that China does not have.