The Charlie Kirk Show - April 05, 2025


Couch-Surfing Elon, Poisonous Skittles, and More From the University of South Florida


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In this episode, President Donald Trump sits down with Turning Point USA President Charlie Kirk to discuss a variety of topics, including: Pro-Life vs. Pro-Prison Should the government be involved in the death penalty? Is it a contradiction to be pro-life and pro-choice ? What is the difference between an "eye for an eye" and a "second eye"? Does the government have the right to kill unborn babies?

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, more from my conversations at University of South Florida.
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00:00:17.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:18.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:20.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:24.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:27.000 I want to thank Charlie.
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00:00:29.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
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00:01:15.000 Alright, so when I first came here, you were talking to a man in blue, and I don't recall what you said verbatim, but you were talking about pro-life, and then you said there was a, like, to make a label of, like, killing people, and I, do you see how that could be a contradiction?
00:01:34.000 I'm not sure what your question is.
00:01:36.000 I don't want to go too back in time, because I don't remember it, but what is your question?
00:01:39.000 In pro-life, so you agree, like, With prisons, right?
00:01:43.000 Are you for or against the...
00:01:45.000 I'm in favor of the death penalty.
00:01:47.000 In favor?
00:01:48.000 And so isn't that a contradiction of being pro-life?
00:01:51.000 Okay, no.
00:01:52.000 I mean, again, a baby in the womb.
00:01:55.000 Oh, so it's different that way.
00:01:56.000 Yeah, what crime has the baby committed?
00:01:58.000 Okay, and what about preserving life?
00:02:00.000 I'm very much in favor. 0.98
00:02:02.000 And so killing somebody is... 0.95
00:02:04.000 Again, that is justice because they did something.
00:02:09.000 Do you not believe in rehabilitation?
00:02:12.000 I do to a certain extent, but if you take a life, I think your life should be taken.
00:02:16.000 And you said you agree with the statement, an eye for an eye.
00:02:21.000 Generally. I think there's far more profundity to that statement than people realize, but I appeal more to the Christ standard, beyond an eye to an eye, turn your cheek to the other.
00:02:32.000 But I do believe, I think there's a lot more To the Old Testament teaching of an eye for an eye, then people realize, can I tell you what it is?
00:02:41.000 So you think of an eye for eye just as revenge.
00:02:44.000 What it did is it showed that even if you're rich, even if you're poor, that no person's eye is worth another person's eye.
00:02:51.000 It's a statement of human equality, meaning that even if you're rich, you don't get to take two eyes from somebody, meaning that you don't get to go beyond the limits of what is taken to you.
00:03:00.000 Does that make sense?
00:03:01.000 Yes, it does.
00:03:01.000 And I agree.
00:03:02.000 How I see it is like an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.
00:03:05.000 Yes, however, there's a teaching in the book of Leviticus, in Leviticus 19, that says that in the administration of justice, you shall never favor the rich or the poor, but you should basically have blind justice, if that makes sense, where justice in itself is what to every person is due based on what you did, not based on who you are, where you came from, where your father is, how much wealth you have.
00:03:27.000 Alright, thank you for your time.
00:03:28.000 Thank you, appreciate it.
00:03:30.000 Disagreements, guys, work your way to the front.
00:03:32.000 Yes, sir?
00:03:33.000 Or otherwise interesting questions.
00:03:35.000 Okay, so my...
00:03:37.000 Quick question, but do you support multiple different types of questions?
00:03:41.000 If you go fast.
00:03:42.000 Yes, okay.
00:03:44.000 Sorry. Do you think that Trump giving buyouts to air traffic control and FAA employees is a good idea?
00:03:50.000 Especially if all the plane crashes going on right now.
00:03:53.000 I agree that the government is too bloated, but I feel like air traffic control is very important for safety and should not be cut, and instead look at alternatives.
00:04:00.000 I will note, one of the things I know is that during COVID, the training center all employees have to go through in Oklahoma is closed.
00:04:07.000 So it's going to take a while for new employees to get the four-year training to fill back up.
00:04:11.000 So I want to know, what is your solution to this?
00:04:14.000 Because I don't think what's happening right now is exactly great because of all the plane issues.
00:04:19.000 Well, first of all, there's no evidence that the amount of plane crashes is actually any more than previous years.
00:04:23.000 It's just that we're paying attention to it more because of the singular really bad one that happened in Washington, D.C. There was also the one in Toronto that happened.
00:04:30.000 Which is not in our airspace.
00:04:31.000 Yeah, but it came from Minneapolis, so it's a weird case.
00:04:34.000 It's a weird case.
00:04:35.000 Now, there was a mid-air collision in Arizona yesterday.
00:04:38.000 There was also one of a guy in Scottsdale.
00:04:40.000 Private jet hit another private jet.
00:04:42.000 The question is, yes, I think all federal agencies should be subject to cutting the bloat.
00:04:46.000 The bigger issue, where President Trump deserves credit, which maybe you can agree on, maybe not, is that the people who are doing air traffic control, they should be there based on merit, not based on skin color.
00:04:57.000 We want the best people to be air traffic controllers.
00:04:59.000 Even though I don't think that's the cause of the crash.
00:05:02.000 I'm not saying it is, but you can understand how we can get to a lackluster air traffic control grid if we don't have the best and brightest being air traffic controllers.
00:05:11.000 Also, do you agree with Trump's recent take, I think it was yesterday or the day before, on Ukraine starting the war?
00:05:18.000 We all saw the headlines the day that Russia invaded Ukraine first.
00:05:24.000 So I want to know, why do you think he said that Zelensky started the war?
00:05:30.000 No, it's important.
00:05:30.000 So I would have worded it differently.
00:05:32.000 But let me ask you a question.
00:05:33.000 If Russia had missiles, weapons, and troops in Mexico, Would we be warranted to try to defer them? 0.89
00:05:42.000 I think it really depends on the situation.
00:05:44.000 If the intention was, hey, let's go all the way to the North Mexico to then eventually invade Texas or California, probably.
00:05:53.000 But currently, even though that's not the case in Europe, though, there is NATO.
00:05:58.000 Yeah, and NATO kept on expanding despite the promises we made.
00:06:02.000 Ukraine had every option to settle for peace throughout this entire conflict.
00:06:08.000 And they chose war.
00:06:08.000 There was a meeting in Istanbul, Turkey between Tony Blinken and Boris Johnson and the Russian foreign minister and the Ukrainian government came and blew up the entire thing and a million people unnecessarily died because of it.
00:06:20.000 A million people.
00:06:21.000 Okay. I'm just saying I'm a big NATO supporter, but I can see where you're coming from.
00:06:26.000 Thank you.
00:06:26.000 Last question, then we'll go.
00:06:27.000 Okay. Do you think that Doge will succeed in cutting the debt?
00:06:31.000 Recently, a bill by Republicans for this year's budget is being considered and will increase the debt ceiling and might increase the debt with the tax cuts they are proposing.
00:06:38.000 I'm someone who agrees with someone like Javier Millet is doing in Argentina, where he is cutting out government institutions to reduce the debt inflation.
00:06:44.000 But it seems like this bill I mentioned will increase the debt and is going the opposite of what Doge...
00:06:50.000 Yes, I think they will be successful in some capacity.
00:06:55.000 The deeper question is, will Congress come alongside of it and actually accompany the cuts?
00:07:02.000 I do think that some Republicans, with the increase in the debt ceiling, are going the opposite of the goals of Doge, which is to decrease the debt and try to get a fiscal surplus.
00:07:15.000 And if we're just going to keep increasing the debt ceiling, then we're just going to get into more debt.
00:07:19.000 I agree, but increasing the debt ceiling is sometimes necessary to create more space.
00:07:24.000 How would you say we should...
00:07:26.000 When will you eventually know, this is too far, we should start decreasing the debt?
00:07:31.000 I think we need to cut federal spending dramatically right now.
00:07:34.000 $36 trillion is too much.
00:07:35.000 We need to cut spending, and we need to shrink the size of the federal government dramatically right now.
00:07:40.000 Thank you for your question.
00:07:41.000 Appreciate it.
00:07:42.000 Thank you.
00:07:43.000 Disagreements, guys?
00:07:43.000 Yes. We're going to get behind J.D. in 2028.
00:07:50.000 Right? We like J.D. Everyone likes J.D. All right.
00:07:53.000 Yes, sir.
00:07:53.000 Can everyone hear me okay?
00:07:55.000 All right.
00:07:56.000 My name's Carter.
00:07:56.000 It's a pleasure to speak with you, Charlie.
00:07:58.000 Just a baseline question before I get into the real thing.
00:08:02.000 You take a very libertarian take on the political economy, correct?
00:08:05.000 So no government intervention in the economy at all?
00:08:07.000 No. Okay.
00:08:08.000 That's not my view.
00:08:09.000 What are your critiques of nationalization?
00:08:13.000 Several. I mean, it makes things bloated, inefficient.
00:08:16.000 Also, the incentive structure is largely wrong with nationalization.
00:08:20.000 Now, some industries, by necessity, need to be nationalized, like our military.
00:08:25.000 But generally, I lean towards private sector, decentralized, private ownership of goods.
00:08:30.000 But it's a case-by-case basis.
00:08:32.000 So for necessities, would you be in favor of nationalization?
00:08:34.000 Not necessarily.
00:08:35.000 It depends on what you mean by a necessity.
00:08:37.000 Look, the government needs to have a monopoly on nuclear weapons.
00:08:40.000 The government does not need to have a monopoly on hospitals.
00:08:43.000 Okay, so to clarify, necessities for life-sustaining, so food, water, shelter, medical care.
00:08:47.000 I think that private sector forces in those spaces have been better and will be better because you have better quality goods, more accessibility to them, more innovation, and over a period of time, more people get access to them.
00:08:59.000 So, for example, the Soviet Union nationalized the distribution of food and you had widespread famine and starving.
00:09:05.000 30 million people died of famine and starving.
00:09:07.000 If you read Stalin's journals, he could not figure out why the collectivization, nationalization of agriculture didn't work.
00:09:14.000 Yeah, I'm not here to discuss central planning.
00:09:23.000 I think it's just as flawed a system as anyone.
00:09:25.000 Then tell me what you are.
00:09:26.000 I want to take more of a mixed market approach here.
00:09:29.000 Specifically for necessities, I think when you're dealing with necessities in the private market, it creates perverse incentives to make worse quality commodities than under a nationalized system.
00:09:37.000 It can.
00:09:38.000 So give me an example of the best example you have for that.
00:09:41.000 So food, I think RFK has recently said we're having a health crisis.
00:09:45.000 I think that's largely due to the profit motive, motivating companies to...
00:09:50.000 Put poor quality ingredients into our food, which is leading to the crisis we're having right now.
00:09:54.000 That's a good argument.
00:09:55.000 It's one of the best ones.
00:09:56.000 An even better one, which I struggle with, not that I'm saying we have to nationalize, is what happens when you have pharmaceutical companies that don't want you to get better but want you to keep on buying the same drug over and over again, and you have a sick care system.
00:10:08.000 So you make a very astute point.
00:10:09.000 I would argue that when it comes to food, we have two choices.
00:10:13.000 Let's just make it binary.
00:10:14.000 We have more than two choices.
00:10:15.000 We can nationalize and have a federal department of food.
00:10:20.000 Or we could say we want a thousand different entrepreneurs to make really healthy food based on new guidelines and standards.
00:10:25.000 I would prefer, of course, more entrepreneurs to try to get into this space than trust the federal government to try to fix this problem and nationalize the industry.
00:10:34.000 However, you are correct that left to their own devices, major corporations are no better than government, especially when it comes to addictive toxins in our bodies.
00:10:45.000 They don't care about making healthy stuff.
00:10:47.000 They'll poison us with the Skittles that they feed us, or the Snicker bars, or the cereal, or the Coca-Cola, or the Red Dye 40, the Glyphosate, whatever the stuff is, right?
00:10:55.000 And that does, on the surface, make it a harder argument to defend a purely profit-based market system.
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00:12:20.000 Yeah, so even under a purely capitalist system where we have multiple competitors, how do you prevent, without government intervention, the cartelization of corporations?
00:12:29.000 That's a good question.
00:12:31.000 The first and foremost way is you have to make sure regulation is not benefiting the incumbent actor in power.
00:12:37.000 So we see this in banking, it's the best example, where it's so hard for upstart banks to be able to compete with Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan, Citibank, because the amount of paperwork it takes, hundreds of millions of dollars in legal compliance fees.
00:12:49.000 So regulation can be used as a tool to actually protect the incumbent economic force.
00:12:54.000 Number two is that if and when there are monopolies, we should break them up.
00:12:57.000 We should be unafraid to do that.
00:12:59.000 That monopolies are not part of market forces.
00:13:01.000 That if there are mergers, if there are things that are coming together and So I'll give you a great example.
00:13:09.000 In the current status, so let's just look at drug companies, which is one that I think is even better than food.
00:13:13.000 You've got Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, Johnson& Johnson, Eli Liu.
00:13:16.000 Those are the big five, right?
00:13:18.000 Those companies largely have doubled and tripled in size.
00:13:21.000 Because we told them, you must go make a vaccine that does not work, which is really a therapeutic and not a vaccine, by the way, and we're going to pay you hundreds of billions of dollars to go do this, and you guys have to go take it or else you can't go to college.
00:13:33.000 It doesn't matter if you get myocarditis, pericarditis, or your friends start dropping dead.
00:13:36.000 You've got to keep on taking the vaccine.
00:13:38.000 So what does that mean from the government side?
00:13:41.000 A lot of these companies only get as big as they get because of favorable government contracts and oligoplic practices.
00:13:48.000 Yeah, but I wouldn't necessarily say that it's strictly...
00:13:52.000 I think the fact that we are subsidizing private companies is the issue in itself.
00:13:59.000 And because we are subsidizing private companies, it allows us to extract more value out of the government than if we just nationalize the system.
00:14:06.000 If you look at Scandinavian countries, they have a largely nationalized medical system, and they pay less for...
00:14:11.000 The government pays less for drugs as well as citizens living in that country, and they have higher quality of life.
00:14:18.000 Yeah, so...
00:14:19.000 Wait times are also comparable to America.
00:14:21.000 There's some truth to that.
00:14:23.000 I won't dismiss all of that.
00:14:25.000 But there's a lot of danger in that, too.
00:14:27.000 Anytime we talk about nationalization, you are giving more and more power to a faceless, unelected bureaucrat to be able to intervene with your life.
00:14:35.000 I definitionally have a problem with that.
00:14:37.000 I instinctively have a problem with that.
00:14:39.000 But you are correct.
00:14:40.000 The current hospital model and our current healthcare system is so broken, it's so treacherous, it's so beyond.
00:14:47.000 And here's where I think you and I can agree, before we get into nationalization or socialization, we'll get to the next question, is that we have a root cause issue.
00:14:54.000 I think that the biggest issue in American healthcare, this is a little wonky, is insulin resistance.
00:14:59.000 We have way too many people eating carbohydrates that they do not need.
00:15:03.000 I think that causes type 2 diabetes, end obesity, depression, anxiety.
00:15:07.000 Now that comes from a lot of different places.
00:15:09.000 To your point, because it's a good point, you have companies that would rather make the cheap, addictive, carbohydrate heavy product for a six year old than one that is using avocado oil or one that is better ingredients.
00:15:21.000 I don't know the solution to that.
00:15:23.000 If we don't come up with one, then your side is going to win and everything's going to get nationalized, unfortunately.
00:15:29.000 But there has to be a market-based solution because the current system right now, where we have like three big food companies and six major drug companies, and they're all working in tandem together to make you guys sicker, fatter, and quite honestly, more suicidal, more depressed, more anxious, least likely to thrive.
00:15:47.000 I believe a vast majority of America's problem is The food that we're eating.
00:15:53.000 And then you would say, but Charlie, they're incentivized to be that way, and you would be right.
00:15:57.000 Do I think the answer is government?
00:15:58.000 No. But we both can agree on the diagnosis of the problem.
00:16:01.000 Let me prescribe my argument for nationalization here.
00:16:04.000 I hate that word, but yeah.
00:16:06.000 What? Prescribe?
00:16:07.000 No, no, nationalization.
00:16:08.000 What would you prefer?
00:16:10.000 Socialization? Yeah, it feels so Soviet, but yeah. 0.55
00:16:12.000 I'm just saying from my perspective.
00:16:17.000 We know from studies on babies that greed is largely a learned trait.
00:16:20.000 When you give two children the same toy, one will eventually...
00:16:25.000 Or if you give two children...
00:16:27.000 Basically, there's a study on babies.
00:16:29.000 I'm blanking on the exact procedure.
00:16:31.000 But basically, it kind of showed that greed is a learned trait within children.
00:16:34.000 And I think that stems under capitalism that...
00:16:39.000 Greed necessarily creates the negative self-interested idea that we have of humanity, where if we nationalize a system that removes the profit motive, we do not have those perverse incentives.
00:16:48.000 You are way more Marxist than I thought.
00:16:50.000 So this is where we really disagree.
00:16:51.000 That's okay.
00:16:52.000 We're going to have totally different worldviews on this.
00:16:55.000 And you actually articulated it really well.
00:16:57.000 But on the left-wing Marxist socialist side, they believe human nature is generally good and that it's capitalism in our system.
00:17:07.000 That has infected our decision-making.
00:17:11.000 Fair? Yeah, like a Rousseau-esque take.
00:17:14.000 Yes, okay, so I have a much more, let's just say, Hobbesian view of human nature, which I believe, because it's Christian in nature, I believe human beings, as it says in the book of Genesis and repeated, is that the heart of man is flawed from beginning, that it's not taught by capitalism, it's not any sort of system.
00:17:31.000 And let me try to prove it to you, I don't know how convincing I'll be.
00:17:34.000 In even the most communist totalitarian government, Like China or in Russia where they got rid of all private property, people still did bad stuff.
00:17:41.000 They still stole, they still lied, they still cheated, they still committed adultery.
00:17:45.000 So we can get rid of all the private property, people will still do bad stuff.
00:17:49.000 Secondly, I encourage you to look less at studies and maybe one day you'll be a father and you'll see it yourself.
00:17:54.000 I have a two and a half year old daughter.
00:17:56.000 She does stuff that was never taught.
00:17:58.000 It's like instinctive.
00:17:58.000 She like turns my wife and I against each other.
00:18:01.000 She's like, she's a saint.
00:18:03.000 You know what I mean?
00:18:04.000 And you realize, like, these are, you know, treacherous little creatures that need to be taught goodness and told no because they're not the center of the world.
00:18:11.000 Let me say it differently.
00:18:12.000 We, as Christians, generally believe that people are generally not so good.
00:18:17.000 Marxists will believe that people are generally good.
00:18:19.000 And from there come our two different worldviews.
00:18:21.000 Because, therefore, if you think people are naturally good, then you must find something to blame for all the problems, which is capitalism, racism, misogyny, Western civilization.
00:18:31.000 We say, hey, all the problems, Start with the mirror.
00:18:35.000 We think the man in the mirror is the start of your problem.
00:18:38.000 So, therefore, again, that's not a criticism.
00:18:41.000 We would say the problem is you need to do less marching in the streets to try to end climate change and more about getting yourself in shape, waking up earlier, stop doing drugs, stop doing alcohol, and becoming a better person.
00:18:53.000 Again, that's not a criticism of your worldview.
00:18:55.000 I just want to make sure people understand the difference.
00:18:57.000 Do you think humanity lacks an innate sense of care for others?
00:19:01.000 Of course, but I think it is built into us.
00:19:04.000 So this is where communism comes from.
00:19:07.000 Marx believed we were inherently social creatures and that we inherently were far more willing to be in a commune than not.
00:19:15.000 We have to just get rid of all of these problems.
00:19:16.000 Get rid of the purchasing.
00:19:18.000 Get rid of the capitalism.
00:19:19.000 Get rid of the Amazon. 1.00
00:19:20.000 And then we'll all live in this kind of romantic Rousseau-ian ideal. 0.99
00:19:26.000 We think that's rubbish as Westerners, as Christians. 1.00
00:19:30.000 And the best example is, and I want your thoughts on this, is prison. 0.97
00:19:35.000 If it was true, once you get rid of all private property, you get rid of all work, why is it that violence still happens in jails?
00:19:43.000 In fact, they become more violent.
00:19:44.000 They become more treacherous.
00:19:46.000 In jail, all they do is they have time.
00:19:47.000 They don't own anything.
00:19:48.000 They don't trade anything.
00:19:49.000 They do it on the black market.
00:19:51.000 And you might say it's because they were flawed from the beginning in a capitalist system.
00:19:54.000 But I think it's an important distinction, and it really is the tension point between...
00:20:00.000 I will say there's certain socialization issues that come with people that are in prison that come from the social system at which they inhabit.
00:20:07.000 But also, I think it comes from a deprivement of material conditions that leads prisoners to act the way they do.
00:20:13.000 But hold on.
00:20:14.000 They need and want for nothing.
00:20:15.000 They have three meals a day.
00:20:17.000 They get books.
00:20:17.000 They get Wi-Fi.
00:20:18.000 They get phones.
00:20:19.000 So it sounds like socialism, right?
00:20:21.000 They're in a prison.
00:20:22.000 They have everything that they need to survive.
00:20:25.000 But you're containing movement.
00:20:27.000 You're containing movement.
00:20:28.000 You're containing actions.
00:20:29.000 You're not allowing true independence.
00:20:32.000 I guess.
00:20:33.000 I mean, you get time outside.
00:20:34.000 Actually, you know what's actually interesting?
00:20:35.000 Do you know that prisoners spend more time outside than an average teenager in America?
00:20:39.000 Did you guys know that?
00:20:40.000 It's a true story.
00:20:41.000 Just more kids stare at their screens.
00:20:44.000 I believe that people are naturally not so good.
00:20:46.000 You believe people that are good.
00:20:47.000 And then I thank you for your time.
00:20:49.000 Thank you.
00:20:49.000 Appreciate it.
00:20:49.000 Thank you.
00:20:50.000 You want a hat?
00:20:51.000 Sure, I'll take one.
00:20:52.000 All right, thank you.
00:20:52.000 Yes, next question.
00:20:53.000 Charlie, Charlie, Charlie.
00:20:54.000 Charlie, let me get a hat.
00:20:56.000 Let's get back a little bit.
00:20:57.000 Woo! Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie.
00:21:00.000 Way back.
00:21:03.000 Charlie, Charlie, Charlie.
00:21:05.000 Okay, yes, sir.
00:21:06.000 How are we on time?
00:21:08.000 Yeah, we're running out of time.
00:21:09.000 Hi there.
00:21:10.000 The pole's a little jacked.
00:21:12.000 Sorry. Try your best.
00:21:13.000 Anyway, nice to meet you, Mr. Kirk.
00:21:15.000 My name's Josh.
00:21:17.000 Actually, it's fitting that you ended on that with the last guy because I had a question about gender myself.
00:21:26.000 Wait, let him cook!
00:21:32.000 I was curious.
00:21:33.000 You know, I'm not that politically engaged.
00:21:36.000 You know, I hear a lot from both sides about what is a woman this, what is a woman that.
00:21:41.000 And, you know, I've heard you before say, you know, when someone asks you what a woman is, you said adult human female.
00:21:47.000 With XX chromosomes. 0.97
00:21:49.000 Right. So my question is, so...
00:21:52.000 You think a woman is someone with XX chromosomes, correct? 1.00
00:21:54.000 I said an adult human female with XX chromosomes.
00:21:57.000 And you would define a female as somebody with XX chromosomes? 0.99
00:21:59.000 Not necessarily, because a girl can have XX chromosomes. 1.00
00:22:01.000 That doesn't make her yet a woman. 0.81
00:22:02.000 So that's why I said an adult human female with XX chromosomes. 0.97
00:22:04.000 Yeah, I'm talking about females in general. 1.00
00:22:06.000 That's my apology.
00:22:06.000 Female, not woman.
00:22:07.000 Okay, so my question is, are you aware of...
00:22:12.000 No, not intersex.
00:22:13.000 Not specifically.
00:22:15.000 Swire syndrome.
00:22:15.000 Have you heard of Swire syndrome?
00:22:17.000 So these are people who are born functionally identical to females. 0.77
00:22:23.000 They have feminine figure. 0.99
00:22:25.000 They have feminine bone structure. 0.99
00:22:26.000 They have ovaries. 0.97
00:22:27.000 They have vaginas. 1.00
00:22:28.000 They have breasts. 1.00
00:22:29.000 They don't even know that they have Swireson. 0.71
00:22:31.000 until they hit puberty because then things get weird.
00:22:35.000 Most of them happen to be infertile.
00:22:36.000 Most of them.
00:22:37.000 But the catch is, despite all of these phenotypical similarities to females, they have the XY chromosome. 0.90
00:22:44.000 So are they...
00:22:46.000 Male or female, if they have XY chromosomes?
00:22:48.000 I have to look into the situation, but if they're XY chromosome, every one of their chromosomes are coded as male.
00:22:53.000 Correct, but functionally, bodily, they look exactly like and function exactly like females. 1.00
00:22:58.000 Well, I guess the question is, can they impregnate themselves?
00:23:00.000 Yes, they can.
00:23:01.000 They can impregnate themselves? 0.97
00:23:02.000 Yeah, there are cases of fertility.
00:23:04.000 I can show you.
00:23:05.000 Hold on.
00:23:06.000 Did you hear what I said?
00:23:07.000 Fertility. I don't think you heard my question.
00:23:10.000 Yes, what's your question?
00:23:10.000 I said, can they impregnate themselves?
00:23:14.000 No. Okay.
00:23:15.000 They can be impregnated, though, despite having XY chromosomes.
00:23:18.000 Okay, got it.
00:23:19.000 So, no, I'm not familiar with that syndrome, so I'll have to look into it.
00:23:21.000 Yeah, so I was wondering...
00:23:22.000 Swagger syndrome?
00:23:24.000 Swyer syndrome.
00:23:25.000 S-W-Y-E-R. 1.00
00:23:26.000 So, I was curious...
00:23:28.000 And how common is this?
00:23:29.000 I'm not sure.
00:23:30.000 I'm not sure how common it is.
00:23:31.000 Like one in a thousand, one in a million, one in ten million?
00:23:34.000 Could be one in a million, probably around those numbers, yeah.
00:23:36.000 So there's 330 people with this in the country? 0.98
00:23:38.000 Quite possibly, and even less that are fertile.
00:23:41.000 That is quite the exception case.
00:23:43.000 So it's an exception, but my question is...
00:23:45.000 But you have a rule, and that's what we talk about.
00:23:47.000 Then you have exceptions.
00:23:48.000 That makes the statement that there are only male or female false.
00:23:53.000 No, it's not.
00:23:53.000 Again, I have to look into this.
00:23:55.000 I'm going to take your word for it.
00:23:57.000 I have to study it, look at it.
00:23:59.000 If I told you there's only black and white swans, have you heard this argument before?
00:24:08.000 If there's only black and white swans...
00:24:10.000 No, I have not heard of swans.
00:24:12.000 Billions and billions of swans in the world, I tell you there's only black and white swans. 0.73
00:24:15.000 If there's one gray swan, that makes that statement false, that they're only white or black.
00:24:20.000 Okay. So the Swire Syndrome...
00:24:23.000 I will look at it, and it will have to fall under one of the categories of the binary, period.
00:24:27.000 Right, so it's XY, but functionally they look like females. 0.97
00:24:29.000 I will look more into it, into the literature, and if we ever cross paths again, I'll give you a more crisp answer.
00:24:34.000 For sure, I appreciate it.
00:24:35.000 Thank you.
00:24:36.000 Yep. Thank you.
00:24:36.000 Thank you for bringing something up I didn't know.
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00:25:49.000 Hey, Charlie.
00:25:50.000 I appreciate you being here, and I just want to ask you a question.
00:25:53.000 So, what are your thoughts on Elon Musk running Doge?
00:25:57.000 Because there's obviously a glaring conflict of interest.
00:25:59.000 He's running multiple companies.
00:26:01.000 He's gotten billions of dollars richer since the election.
00:26:04.000 So, isn't there a glaring conflict of interest?
00:26:06.000 He even met with world leaders the other day.
00:26:07.000 So, there's a conflict of interest here.
00:26:10.000 What do you think about him running an unofficial government department?
00:26:13.000 What is the government department doing?
00:26:15.000 It's cutting spending.
00:26:17.000 I don't know how that would be a conflict of interest to running an electric car vehicle company.
00:26:22.000 He's getting millions of dollars in contracts.
00:26:24.000 Those pre-existed Trump, though, right?
00:26:25.000 Those government contracts expanded during Biden.
00:26:28.000 You would have an argument if Elon Musk gets a new contract under Trump.
00:26:33.000 I think that's a great argument.
00:26:34.000 We're seeing none of that.
00:26:35.000 In fact, we're seeing Elon go after government agencies that he's getting contracts from.
00:26:40.000 He's cutting stuff that he gets money from.
00:26:42.000 But they're also investigating him.
00:26:44.000 A lot of the departments he's going after, they're also investigating him.
00:26:48.000 You might disagree, but I would say there's been a lot of lawfare in the last couple years and erroneous investigations into people.
00:26:54.000 So I don't think that there's a lot to that.
00:26:56.000 But it's interesting.
00:26:57.000 There's a lot of precedent for this.
00:26:58.000 FDR had titans of his time come into the White House, help during for war production.
00:27:03.000 We saw this under Woodrow Wilson.
00:27:05.000 What Elon Musk is doing is incredibly admirable.
00:27:07.000 This is a guy that could literally just be vacationing all day long, just enjoying his money worth $400 billion.
00:27:11.000 He's out there saving you guys money to make sure that you have a future and fighting for taxpayers.
00:27:15.000 And he's doing a great job.
00:27:17.000 He's doing a phenomenal job.
00:27:18.000 And by the way, it's not about money for him.
00:27:19.000 If this was about money for him...
00:27:21.000 He doesn't own any homes.
00:27:22.000 All he owns is jets.
00:27:23.000 Money is just like a numerical abstraction for him.
00:27:27.000 He literally sleeps on the couch, you're right, in the Eisenhower Executive Office building.
00:27:32.000 He's obsessed with a particular task.
00:27:34.000 He swore an oath that he was going to try to revive this country under any means possible, and he's doing a better job at it than almost any politician in the modern era, thanks to President Trump as well.
00:27:43.000 But he's unappointed and elected.
00:27:46.000 Who is he really being held accountable to?
00:27:48.000 He's unappointed and unelected, so he's not really accountable to anyone, is he?
00:27:52.000 It sounds like a good point, but again, there's a lot of people that are unelected within our government.
00:27:56.000 I mean, Joe Biden had 5,000 unelected people in his government.
00:28:00.000 But you know what?
00:28:01.000 This is a very important distinction, though, is that Elon Musk is not some shadow character that we were not aware of when we went and voted for Donald Trump.
00:28:07.000 Elon Musk was campaigning with Donald Trump for 30 days straight.
00:28:11.000 Elon Musk was a top surrogate for Donald Trump.
00:28:13.000 The American people and voters knew that if they voted for Trump, they were going to get Doge.
00:28:16.000 Doge was a thing that...
00:28:17.000 Right? And so the American people voted understanding that with Donald Trump comes an element of Elon Musk.
00:28:24.000 You would have a good argument, in my opinion, if Elon was like totally secret and then just popped up in like January like, ooh, actually I'm in charge.
00:28:31.000 But no, this was the most transparent agenda team ever presented.
00:28:35.000 And so I, yes, technically you're right, he is unelected, but the essence of him being involved was...
00:28:40.000 100% notified and decided by the American people.
00:28:44.000 That's true, but at the end of the day, isn't it still like we're going towards oligarchy because we have a very rich man who's influencing our government directly?
00:28:52.000 That's an interesting question.
00:28:53.000 What would you have someone like Elon Musk do?
00:28:56.000 He's worth $400 billion.
00:28:58.000 Electric car magnate, Starlink, SpaceX, boring company, Neuralink.
00:29:04.000 He could do one of three things. 0.97
00:29:05.000 do nothing and enjoy his money and be a fat cat.
00:29:08.000 He can go become a George Soros type and spend all the money against the country, or he can be a patriot and get involved and try to save the country.
00:29:16.000 We're never going to get rid of rich people, regardless of what all the Marxists say.
00:29:20.000 We're always going to have elites.
00:29:22.000 We should use Elon Musk as an example of how elites should act, that sacrifice and fight for other people.
00:29:28.000 Does that make sense?
00:29:29.000 Because the other way, okay, if he was just sitting on his yacht in Venice, we'd hate him too.
00:29:33.000 Oh, he's doing nothing.
00:29:34.000 No, he's actually got skin in the game.
00:29:36.000 He's fighting every day.
00:29:39.000 D.C. is so broken.
00:29:41.000 It's so inefficient.
00:29:42.000 It's so bloated.
00:29:42.000 It's so outrageous.
00:29:44.000 God bless him for going out there and trying to bring value back to the U.S. taxpayer.
00:29:49.000 Thank you very much.
00:29:50.000 I appreciate it.
00:29:50.000 We'll do one or two more, right?
00:29:52.000 One, two, one, two, one, two, one, two, one.
00:29:57.000 Four what?
00:29:58.000 Yeah, here.
00:30:00.000 Can I ask?
00:30:03.000 Hey, Charlie.
00:30:05.000 I voted for Trump in November, and I agree with most of his stuff, like cutting government spending and stuff like that, but I don't agree with cutting back on stuff for climate, because I feel like energy security is important, and I feel like green energy is the future.
00:30:21.000 Like nuclear energy.
00:30:22.000 Do you agree that...
00:30:24.000 Nuclear 100%, yeah.
00:30:26.000 What about like solar, hydroelectric?
00:30:28.000 We heavily subsidize solar.
00:30:30.000 Which, by the way, goes against the previous point, just to be clear.
00:30:33.000 Elon Musk has made a ton of money on the electric vehicle mandate, of which he's helping get rid of the electric vehicle mandate that made him super rich.
00:30:40.000 So I just want you all to understand.
00:30:42.000 No, I mean, if solar is going to be the future, it has to stand on its own.
00:30:44.000 No government subsidies.
00:30:46.000 Okay. Thank you.
00:30:47.000 That's my question.
00:30:48.000 And can I get a signed hat?
00:30:49.000 Yes, you can.
00:30:49.000 Thank you.
00:30:57.000 Alright, here we go.
00:31:00.000 Couple more.
00:31:01.000 How's it going, Charlie?
00:31:02.000 My name is also Charlie, and I'm a huge fan.
00:31:04.000 I opened my own Turning Point chapter in Trinity a couple weeks ago, or a month ago.
00:31:10.000 I'm only a junior in high school, and I actually skipped school to come talk to you today.
00:31:16.000 So, I just recently did a huge project on cryptocurrency, and I know that Trump No, so what he wants to do, we have to figure something out with crypto.
00:31:38.000 So we have to figure out what it actually is.
00:31:41.000 So is it an asset or is it a currency?
00:31:48.000 Yes, but there needs to be a third category, right, that is created.
00:31:53.000 And that third category, you can call it whatever it wants, because the problem is this.
00:31:56.000 If it's a currency, then it's regulated completely differently by the federal government.
00:32:00.000 In order for something, it's not the word asset, it's something of value with an issuer.
00:32:07.000 Here's the problem with Bitcoin.
00:32:08.000 There is no issuer.
00:32:10.000 There is no legal tender that it comes from.
00:32:12.000 It's not a security.
00:32:13.000 Thank you.
00:32:13.000 Yes, exactly right.
00:32:14.000 Thank you.
00:32:15.000 Security and currency.
00:32:16.000 So a security would be that I buy $10 of stock in Amazon, given to you by Amazon.
00:32:22.000 Bitcoin, there's no issuer.
00:32:24.000 It's anonymously chartered.
00:32:26.000 Therefore, it's really kind of mysteriously valuable.
00:32:28.000 But if it goes in the currency side, then it's directly competing with the US dollar, and it goes under all sorts of different types of regulations.
00:32:33.000 So you need to probably create a third category.
00:32:36.000 And it's good for everybody.
00:32:37.000 Now, I'm excited about the kind of meme Crypto economy.
00:32:43.000 I'm not like an over economically regulating person.
00:32:47.000 But if we don't get a handle on like the meme coin crypto world, it's either rug pull stuff.
00:32:53.000 A lot of people are going to lose a lot of money and they already have.
00:32:57.000 And I'm telling you, it's going to give all crypto a really bad name.
00:33:00.000 So is that the point of David Czar?
00:33:02.000 Like the cryptos?
00:33:03.000 David Sachs.
00:33:03.000 To figure this out.
00:33:04.000 Where we want to be pro crypto, but we also want to respect that not all cryptography is made equal.
00:33:10.000 That making a meme coin has no necessary value versus Ethereum or versus Solana or Bitcoin.
00:33:19.000 Those things have real value, right?
00:33:21.000 Because they're in real scarcity, takes real energy, and it's real technology and real math behind it.
00:33:25.000 Does that make sense?
00:33:26.000 Yeah, thank you so much.
00:33:27.000 Can I get a sign-up?
00:33:27.000 Absolutely, yes.
00:33:28.000 Thank you.
00:33:29.000 All right, any disagreements?
00:33:30.000 And then we've got to go soon, guys.
00:33:31.000 Come on, come on, come on! 0.88
00:33:31.000 Two more, come on, come on! 0.88
00:33:32.000 Two more, come on, please! 0.99
00:33:34.000 All right, so...
00:33:35.000 Go quick.
00:33:37.000 Quick. Okay, so...
00:33:39.000 We want to take down the Department of Education.
00:33:41.000 So how do we plan to compete internationally with other countries?
00:33:46.000 I'm an immigrant from China.
00:33:47.000 In China, we value education as our number one priority.
00:33:50.000 Because through education, we can improve our social status and become a more valuable member in society.
00:33:55.000 How do we plan to do that if we take down the Department of Education?
00:33:57.000 We believe we have a different view of education than the Chinese. 1.00
00:34:01.000 The Chinese, which actually is our current model, they look at educators as carpenters to make kids carved in a certain way to be widgets in a broader system. 0.95
00:34:09.000 In its true essence, educators should be more like gardeners, allowing kids to grow into what they possibly can become, into a full and complete citizen, and having their soul deepened in the beauty and the richness of life.
00:34:23.000 It's a different view, right?
00:34:25.000 So it's more of a classical view of education.
00:34:28.000 The Chinese model is great from a totalitarian standpoint. 1.00
00:34:31.000 You will do this, you will learn that, you will serve the state, and you will be very good at it.
00:34:36.000 There's maybe a role for that.
00:34:37.000 I actually would rather have us have millions of thoughtful, deep, philosophically-minded good citizens that know what it is to think critically, and they can solve any problem that comes after them.
00:34:49.000 The Department of Education is an administrative state.
00:34:52.000 It is this massive beast that is way overfunded, way overbloated, More administrators than not.
00:35:00.000 And if we want to compete with China, we're not going to out-totalitarian them. 0.97
00:35:04.000 Instead, we should do what is necessary for a free society to continue to exist.
00:35:08.000 The only way a free society exists is if citizens know what liberty is.
00:35:12.000 It's the only way a free society can continue.
00:35:15.000 My thing is, what can we do then?
00:35:18.000 Got it.
00:35:18.000 So we're going to push a lot of the money back to the states, and we have to empower parents to be more actively involved in their kids' education.
00:35:25.000 This is another thing that China does not have.
00:35:29.000 I've lived in China for eight years.
00:35:31.000 Taiwan or China?
00:35:33.000 Mainland China.
00:35:34.000 In China, our parents are our number one drivers for us to get an education.
00:35:39.000 They support all of us.
00:35:41.000 They push you, for sure.
00:35:42.000 Are they teaching you?
00:35:44.000 They do help teach us.
00:35:45.000 What do they teach you?
00:35:48.000 What our teachers are teaching us...
00:35:50.000 They help support that by at home, they keep educating us.
00:35:54.000 Fair enough.
00:35:55.000 I'm not here to knock on China.
00:35:56.000 I want to respect, you know, your country.
00:35:58.000 But let me just ask you a question.
00:36:01.000 Do they teach you about Tiananmen Square?
00:36:03.000 They inform us.
00:36:06.000 Do they teach you about Tiananmen Square?
00:36:08.000 They give us the truth.
00:36:09.000 They talk about how it wasn't a good event.
00:36:11.000 Okay, good.
00:36:11.000 I didn't know that.
00:36:12.000 You know what I'm getting at, though.
00:36:14.000 I know, you're trying to say we're hiding it, but we aren't hiding it.
00:36:16.000 Do they say that is Taiwan Taiwan, or is it...
00:36:19.000 Land of the Chinese Communist Party. 0.77
00:36:21.000 We call it Taiwan.
00:36:22.000 We recognize the situation in our government.
00:36:25.000 Okay, so it's not China's, it's its own sovereign, autonomous country?
00:36:28.000 We call them Taiwan. 0.86
00:36:29.000 We recognize how they're separate, but they still belong to us legally.
00:36:32.000 Okay. You see what I'm getting at, right?
00:36:36.000 Is that eventually you get towards truth claims, and the state has to make a decision.
00:36:41.000 What we believe, though, is the state should not be involved in those things.
00:36:45.000 And that free citizens should pursue truth in a decentralized manner.
00:36:48.000 Does that make sense?
00:36:49.000 I'm not trying to pick on China.
00:36:50.000 You should be proud of your country and all that.
00:36:51.000 Not exactly a fan of your government, but that's a separate issue.
00:36:54.000 So we have a different model of education.
00:36:56.000 The difference is this.
00:36:58.000 In totalitarian countries, human beings are little parts of a broader machine to be put in.
00:37:03.000 In a free society, you're all independent souls that are made in the image of God.
00:37:10.000 That you have to understand what freedom and liberty is and to grow into something greater.
00:37:14.000 Thank you very much for your question.
00:37:15.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:37:16.000 Everybody email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:37:19.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.