The Charlie Kirk Show - Could the Ayatollah Bomb The Dallas Cowboys?

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 It's March 12th, 2026.

00:01:13.000 Welcome, Blake.

00:01:14.000 Howdy.

00:01:14.000 Lots to get to.

00:01:15.000 We're going to start off with a guest here right at the top of the hour, and that's Stuart Kaplan.

00:01:20.000 He's a former FBI special agent because we have an FBI report that suggests the Iranian regime could target California with drones.

00:01:31.000 That's right, a drone attack off America's West Coast.

00:01:34.000 And so we need some experts to help us break this down.

00:01:37.000 So welcome to the show, Stuart Kaplan, former FBI agent.

00:01:41.000 Good afternoon.

00:01:41.000 Thank you for having me.

00:01:43.000 Well, it's an honor to have you.

00:01:44.000 Let's go ahead and play one of these clips here just to set the table for us.

00:01:48.000 I think it's important.

00:01:50.000 That's an ABC report cut nine.

00:01:52.000 The FBI warning of possible Iranian drone attacks on our homeland.

00:01:56.000 A new alert reviewed by ABC News revealing Iran's aspirations to conduct a surprise attack specifically against unspecified targets in California.

00:02:06.000 The FBI is saying it's warned police departments across the Golden State now of strikes by unmanned aerial vehicles or drones as tensions rise in the Middle East.

00:02:15.000 The alert that we reviewed said an uncorroborated report suggested that unidentified Mexican cartel leaders had authorized attacks using drones carrying explosives.

00:02:25.000 So they know that capability exists.

00:02:28.000 And this separate alert that we've reviewed, Kira, says that Iran has those same kinds of aspirations.

00:02:35.000 All right.

00:02:35.000 So Stuart, what are you hearing?

00:02:38.000 Separate fact from fiction here, please.

00:02:42.000 So let me give you some unfortunate facts and a real reality check.

00:02:46.000 When you go back to October 7th of 2023, when Hamas attacked Israel, that was a real wake-up call to our Intel community across the board.

00:02:58.000 And I can tell you, unfortunately, as you may recall, some of our most stellar politicians were on the sidelines offering their congratulations to Hamas and other proxies in an effort to downplay the impact that that devastating day had on Israel and on their Israeli citizens.

00:03:24.000 And the Intel community became very alarmed at the prospect that anybody here domestically, homegrown, could go online, go to their local hobby store, and purchase a drone and easily and readily adapt a drone and attach an improvised explosive device.

00:03:45.000 And that device could also allow someone to be anonymous, meaning that apparatus or that drone could be deployed without anybody knowing where that original deployment happened.

00:04:00.000 For example, you could deploy it from your house, from a rooftop, from a backyard, anywhere because of the GPS technology that is now readily available.

00:04:11.000 And the FBI became very alarmed at that prospect.

00:04:15.000 Unfortunately, during that period of time with the Biden administration being too concerned about placating the Palestinian movement and our higher academic learning institutions with lowering the American flag and raising the Palestinian flag, it became a lackluster effort or a effort that was non-existent.

00:04:37.000 And now the bells and whistles are resonating and the alarm bells are off the charts with respect to now playing catch-up.

00:04:46.000 The problem with now trying to play catch-up is there are too many people that have entered into the United States unvetted, unchecked, unchallenged, as well as our borders are open with respect to social media, gaming platforms, the internet, and homegrown terrorism and sleeper cells are here domestically.

00:05:09.000 I don't care if you just take by way of example the two suburbanites that came from Pennsylvania last week to New York City and tried to deploy improvised explosive devices.

00:05:20.000 Fortunately, they were identified and neutralized very quickly.

00:05:25.000 But that's a perfect example of the climate that we're living in.

00:05:28.000 And so the threat of deployment of drones anywhere in the United States is real.

00:05:35.000 It's here.

00:05:36.000 It's been unchallenged.

00:05:38.000 It's been unchecked.

00:05:39.000 And we now are in a catch-up period to try to identify and neutralize those potential threats.

00:05:48.000 So I want to play a clip from President Trump yesterday about the sleeper cells.

00:05:54.000 He was asked about it.

00:05:55.000 And we'll get your reaction on the other side.

00:05:57.000 Cut six.

00:05:58.000 They try to hit us back.

00:06:00.000 Have you been briefed about how many Iran sleeper cells there could be inside the U.S. right now?

00:06:06.000 I have been, and a lot of people came in through Biden with this stupid open border.

00:06:11.000 But we know where most of them are.

00:06:13.000 We've got our eye on all of them, I think.

00:06:16.000 If it doesn't...

00:06:17.000 They came in through the open border policies of sleepy Joe Biden, one of the worst, the worst president in the history of our country.

00:06:28.000 And we've got our eyes on all of them.

00:06:30.000 Do you buy that, Stuart?

00:06:32.000 You know, in fairness and just being transparent, I'm not so sure that our government has our eyes on all those potential sleeper cells, or it would be nearly impossible to have our eyes, whether digital surveillance or physical surveillance on every individual who has come into the country unchecked or unchallenged.

00:06:52.000 I think the other issue that's percolating is you have the drug cartels that they themselves are under a tremendous amount of pressure because the United States has flexed finally its muscle to try to neutralize that threat in Mexico.

00:07:10.000 And so I think the drug cartels can easily be persuaded to fund or assist or aid other individuals who, quite frankly, are enemies of the United States.

00:07:23.000 And we have a conversion of multiple fronts, multiple threats.

00:07:27.000 And of course, keep in mind that the purchase of a drone is not a very expensive proposition.

00:07:34.000 Anybody can go into a big box store at this particular time in our lives and go into Best Buy and buy a drone and easily go online and adapt it to disperse or dispense or drop an improvised explosive device or attach some sort of chemical agent to it.

00:07:53.000 That's a significant threat.

00:07:55.000 And unfortunately, and I can use by way of example, I could park my car or my van outside the stadium in Dallas, Texas at a Dallas Cowboys football game, unchallenged, with very little, if no security with respect to at least getting into the parking lot, a wait until such time as maybe the first quarter, second quarter, halftime, whenever I decide,

00:08:22.000 and I can open the hatch of my van and deploy a drone and fly it into and onto that stadium.

00:08:30.000 Before anybody would be able to identify and, you know, realize the potential threat, it would be way too late.

00:08:38.000 And that is the danger and the reality that we are confronted with right now.

00:08:44.000 Now, I'm not trying to be an alarmist.

00:08:46.000 You've asked me a question, and in fairness to your viewers and to your listening audience, I think it is better for us to be better informed.

00:08:55.000 And I will say this to your viewing audience, that we all in 2026 play a role in if you see something, say something, because our national security, our potential way of life is at risk.

00:09:09.000 We are the greatest country on this planet.

00:09:12.000 We enjoy our freedoms.

00:09:14.000 But right now, there are too many countries or too many individuals that would like to see us on our knees.

00:09:22.000 And that would be a change of trajectory of where we have been as a nation.

00:09:28.000 Stuart, I want to put up this quote from Caroline Levitt.

00:09:31.000 She said, this post and story should be immediately retracted by ABC News for providing false information to intentionally alarm the American people.

00:09:41.000 They wrote this based on one email that was sent to local law enforcement in California about a single unverified tip.

00:09:47.000 The email even states the tip was based on unverified, she highlights that, intelligence.

00:09:52.000 Yet ABC News left out this critical fact in their story.

00:09:55.000 Why?

00:09:56.000 To be clear, no such threat from Iran to our homeland exists and it never did.

00:10:00.000 Your reaction.

00:10:01.000 So let me just say this.

00:10:03.000 I don't know where ABC actually got that information, but again, I want to be clear to your audience.

00:10:10.000 Not only is there a real threat with respect to the deployment of drones, there is a real threat with the utilization of ultralights.

00:10:19.000 Now, some of your viewers may be too young to remember or to know ultralights are like a kind of like a hang glider with a propeller.

00:10:30.000 Yeah.

00:10:31.000 Of course.

00:10:32.000 What was that in the back?

00:10:33.000 The Super Bowl or something where they landed in the middle of exactly.

00:10:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:38.000 And those improvised type of cheap, inexpensive apparatuses that are readily available to anybody, to the consumer online, were also deployed on October 7th of 2023.

00:10:51.000 Of course.

00:10:51.000 Yeah.

00:10:52.000 And I want to be clear, Stuart.

00:10:53.000 I don't want to give any of the bad guys ideas out there, but I understand your point for sure that there are cheap, homemade ways to cause havoc and to attack Americans, to commit terrorism in the homeland.

00:11:08.000 And to your point, I don't want to give anybody any further ideas either.

00:11:12.000 But what I want to try to do is that, you know, it used to be we were solely relying upon law enforcement and our intelligence community to keep us safe.

00:11:23.000 And most of the time, it was better that we didn't really know what was out there because to some extent, we may end up in the fetal position and may say to ourselves, it's just not worth getting out of bed.

00:11:33.000 But I want your viewers to know that we shall never ever succumb to any threats, whether domestically or abroad.

00:11:42.000 But with that being said, we all play a part in paying attention to our surroundings and to our neighbors and our loved ones and even our family members.

00:11:52.000 Because often, too often, more recently, is that people who are the closest to these individuals, there are some signals or some red flags that had they been brought to the attention of law enforcement may have been readily identified and neutralized the threat before the consequences play out.

00:12:11.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:12:12.000 I want to play this other clip as well and get your reaction, Stuart, because I'm just curious what you're hearing with your contacts.

00:12:22.000 I think it's important.

00:12:24.000 SOP 3, please.

00:12:25.000 An alarming report of threats outside Iran.

00:12:29.000 ABC News reports Iran may be activating sleeper cells.

00:12:32.000 Quote, the U.S. has intercepted encryptive communications believed to have originated in Iran that may serve as an operational trigger for sleeper assets outside the country.

00:12:43.000 If true, further illustrating Secretary of State Marco Rubio's point, we are fighting a terrorist government.

00:12:50.000 So that I kind of want to square the circle here because we're talking about maybe homemade, you know, maybe even individually inspired, like we saw with the Pennsylvania suburbanites that went over to Gracie Mansion.

00:13:05.000 That's homemade DI, do-it-yourself stuff, right?

00:13:09.000 That was a report that seemed like they had a trigger and they were going to get actual Iranian IRGC members that had infiltrated the border under Biden.

00:13:18.000 So what are you hearing is the bigger threat here?

00:13:20.000 Or is it just kind of both end right now?

00:13:22.000 No, I think the greatest threat to all of us is quite frankly the internet and being indoctrinated by these extremists that have the ability to be faceless and to prey upon our younger generation, whether on a gaming platform, Instagram, Facebook, you name it, that our children are so unfortunately distracted by all of this noise out there.

00:13:50.000 And that unfortunately, some of these younger kids are so impressionable and so apt to being influenced that the bad guys realize that we can now sit in our other countries and target these younger kids to get them to carry out these dastardly deeds.

00:14:09.000 And so by way of example, again, I'm being somewhat redundant, the two individuals that I believe were 18 years of age in suburbanite Pennsylvania traveled to New York City to rain havoc.

00:14:20.000 Yeah, living in a $2 million home.

00:14:23.000 That is correct.

00:14:24.000 And so the kids next door could be the next kids to now carry out some terrorist act of terrorism.

00:14:31.000 Yeah, and I want to make one point.

00:14:33.000 I called around yesterday when I saw this report, and there is some indication to believe that this was a previous report from like early February before the strikes had even happened.

00:14:44.000 Because if you're going to, I think the DIY stuff is really, I think that's really insightful and terrifying on some level.

00:14:52.000 And so if you see something, say something, absolutely.

00:14:55.000 Message heard loud and clear.

00:14:56.000 We all have to contribute to the safety of the country.

00:15:00.000 But as far as them getting a ship close enough to 3,000 kilometers and sending in some of those unmanned aerial craft that we've seen in the Middle East, I don't think that's as reasonable.

00:15:14.000 But the cartel angle, that was what piqued my interest in a big way, because I believe completely, you know, after El Mencho went down, that the cartels could be very motivated to get involved and try and sow some chaos here domestically.

00:15:28.000 Final 30 seconds to you, Stuart.

00:15:30.000 No, I mean, to your point, look, the cartels are so well funded.

00:15:33.000 They have so much money, and so they can hide behind as a subterfuge and have us think that it may have been the Iranians, it could have been the Chinese, it could have been the Russians.

00:15:43.000 And that also lies in heightening the threat level and the risk of it being misplaced by blaming one group when it could come from another.

00:15:52.000 At the end of the day, like I said, we all play a part in this.

00:15:56.000 I think our government now finally is doing everything possible to keep us safe.

00:16:01.000 Yeah.

00:16:02.000 Well, I mean, when you see those pictures of the cartels and they've got like rocket launchers and armored vehicles, I mean, they got capacity.

00:16:09.000 There's no doubt.

00:16:10.000 Stuart Kaplan, former FBI agent, thank you for your time.

00:16:13.000 Thank you for, I think, the prescient warning.

00:16:16.000 See something, say something.

00:16:18.000 Thank you.

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00:17:34.000 I want to give you guys a bit of a roundup of where we are at in the war right now because what are we?

00:17:41.000 We're like 11 days in, something like that.

00:17:44.000 About.

00:17:45.000 And so we've got updates and we haven't really done a play-by-play of how the war is being operated and executed because there's just a lot of fog of war stuff.

00:17:55.000 But here's what we know.

00:17:57.000 Well, fog of war and it's just, you know, wars are sort of exciting and interesting, but at the same time, they move slowly.

00:18:05.000 They consume a lot of attention.

00:18:08.000 But then a lot of time will pass where not much will happen.

00:18:11.000 Well, there's a lot of going back and forth that doesn't necessarily translate into any significant meaning for the audience either.

00:18:17.000 So we're bombing more things.

00:18:18.000 Okay, what's the actual status, though?

00:18:22.000 So listen, the Iranian military is basically firing back single-digit missiles per day right now.

00:18:30.000 Maybe low double digits.

00:18:32.000 All right.

00:18:32.000 So there's been a lot of capacity that's been taken out.

00:18:35.000 5,500 targets have been hit in the first 10 days of the conflict.

00:18:40.000 And that's a lot.

00:18:42.000 5,500 is a lot.

00:18:43.000 Even General Petraeus was on with Jesse Waters last night saying that this is, from any way you cut it, and I'm not saying you have to be supportive.

00:18:52.000 I'm not saying you have to be against.

00:18:53.000 I'm just saying militarily, this has been a route okay.

00:18:58.000 It doesn't mean that Iran doesn't have levers to pull.

00:19:00.000 But militarily, we control the skies.

00:19:00.000 They do.

00:19:03.000 We bomb at will.

00:19:04.000 We strike at will.

00:19:06.000 And that's something that we need to be aware of.

00:19:10.000 So every ship that Iran has, their navy has been completely obliterated.

00:19:14.000 We've just hit, I think, another 28 ships that were capable of laying mines in the Strait of Hormuz.

00:19:21.000 So that's a lot.

00:19:22.000 Okay.

00:19:24.000 Anytime they move or put their head up, we get them.

00:19:26.000 Okay.

00:19:28.000 That is much, very much true.

00:19:31.000 We hit their biggest bank, the one that pays the IRGC.

00:19:34.000 I think this is a very interesting piece of intel as well.

00:19:37.000 Do you have a thought on that?

00:19:38.000 Well, I mean, I don't know.

00:19:40.000 It's not like matters physical buildings and banks nearly as much as it is.

00:19:45.000 Well, it matters when you hit the infrastructure and their ability to pay the IRGC troops.

00:19:49.000 So apparently there's a paycheck that's supposed to go out at the end of this week to their military.

00:19:54.000 Now, if they stop getting paid, that could be a huge problem.

00:19:58.000 Now, their currency is in free fall.

00:20:00.000 Their economy is in free fall.

00:20:03.000 You know, this is going to continue putting pressure on the Iranian regime, there's no doubt.

00:20:09.000 So all of these things are positives.

00:20:09.000 All right.

00:20:14.000 Now, I want to play something actually from Newt Gingrich here, because there is a counterpoint to be made.

00:20:21.000 So what are the levers that Iran can pull?

00:20:23.000 Here's Newt Gingrich explaining his thoughts on it.

00:20:27.000 Cut 14.

00:20:28.000 They have to keep the Strait of Hormuz open.

00:20:30.000 Yes.

00:20:31.000 I don't care what it costs.

00:20:32.000 If they can't keep it open, this war will, in fact, be an American defeat before very long, because the entire world, including the American people, will react to the price of oil if the strait stays closed very long.

00:20:46.000 So I lived through this with Reagan, as you did, in the late 80s.

00:20:50.000 Keeping the straight open is the number one job because it buys you time.

00:20:55.000 All right.

00:20:55.000 So this is an ally of the president who is being very forthright about his concerns here.

00:21:01.000 And I think there's truth to this.

00:21:03.000 The Strait of Hormuz is the key to a lot of this conflict because we have a new clip from Iranian state media, some of the first, if you will, comments out of the new supreme leader.

00:21:18.000 Allegedly.

00:21:19.000 Allegedly.

00:21:20.000 And what clip is this, guys?

00:21:22.000 Okay, yeah.

00:21:23.000 This is his first public statement.

00:21:25.000 We're going to play this for you.

00:21:26.000 Allegedly, we haven't seen this guy.

00:21:28.000 He's not come out of his bunker if he's even alive.

00:21:31.000 Cut four.

00:21:32.000 On Iranian state media, a presenter read a new statement from Iran's new supreme leader, Mustabah Khan Ayi.

00:21:39.000 The supreme leader said in the statement, we believe in friendship with neighbors and only target the bases, and we will inevitably continue.

00:21:45.000 That is not true.

00:21:46.000 We know that many Gulf countries have had their residential and civilian infrastructure attacked.

00:21:51.000 Now, Iran's new supreme leader in this statement goes on to say all U.S. bases should immediately be closed in the region and those bases will be attacked.

00:22:00.000 He calls on unity among the people of Iran and participation in Kudzday.

00:22:05.000 Also says that he will target U.S. bases in the region.

00:22:08.000 Iran's new supreme leader goes on to say the closure of the Strait of Hormuz should be continued as a tool to, quote, pressure the enemy.

00:22:16.000 All right.

00:22:17.000 So I feel like we should probably explain what the Strait of Hormuz is.

00:22:20.000 I'm not sure if we ever have.

00:22:21.000 Well, yeah, sure.

00:22:23.000 Go ahead.

00:22:23.000 So if you look at a map of the Middle East, I don't know if we have one handy.

00:22:26.000 There we are.

00:22:27.000 So that's the Strait of Hormuz.

00:22:29.000 So Iran is on the north end.

00:22:30.000 So if you think of the Persian Gulf, it's that body of water.

00:22:34.000 And that's kind of where all the oil, all the gas is.

00:22:36.000 20% of the planet's energy flows through the Strait of Hormuz.

00:22:40.000 And so Iraq is right at the end of that Gulf.

00:22:42.000 That's where we went in.

00:22:43.000 That's where Kuwait is.

00:22:44.000 And then on the south end of it, you've got Qatar, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia.

00:22:49.000 Those are all big oil gas exporters.

00:22:51.000 Iran's on the north end.

00:22:52.000 And that little choke point, a little space, is what a huge amount of the world economy basically flows through.

00:23:00.000 And Iran, you know, they can't, hopefully, they can't easily hit the United States.

00:23:06.000 They can't really easily invade the other countries, but they can sort of hold the world hostage.

00:23:11.000 And what they're planning to do here is they say they can close the Strait of Hormuz by laying mines, which we're sinking boats to lay mines, but submarines can lay mines.

00:23:20.000 I mean, little motorboats can lay mines.

00:23:22.000 Speedboats can.

00:23:23.000 I wouldn't be surprised if frogmen can haul mines into place.

00:23:27.000 They mentioned that it's a very big challenge to demine.

00:23:30.000 You have rockets.

00:23:31.000 And if you want to know how difficult it is, Houthis, which is that militant group in Yemen, they've been harassing ships in the Red Sea.

00:23:37.000 And we really struggled to root them out.

00:23:40.000 There have been ships that have been sailing all the way around Africa to avoid going through the Red Sea because they don't want to get blasted by Houthis.

00:23:46.000 And that's a militant group in Yemen, not a whole state.

00:23:49.000 So the concern of this war is that they would be able to keep that closed.

00:23:54.000 And I think we should be frank with you that there's been a lot of discussion.

00:23:58.000 Maybe President Trump could just declare victory and he doesn't necessarily need to bring down the regime.

00:24:03.000 He can say, we sank their Navy.

00:24:05.000 They can't have nukes.

00:24:06.000 They're really degraded.

00:24:08.000 President Trump can't declare victory unless the Strait of Hormuz is open.

00:24:11.000 Correct.

00:24:12.000 Period.

00:24:12.000 So he either has to strike a deal to open it or he has to force it open.

00:24:15.000 Only then can he say, is it a win?

00:24:17.000 Right.

00:24:18.000 And that then turns our attention to the new supreme leader, a gentleman that we're told his name Majtaba Khomeini.

00:24:27.000 All right.

00:24:28.000 The son of the previous Khomeini.

00:24:30.000 But besides that, he's kind of a cipher in truth.

00:24:33.000 In fact, we don't.

00:24:35.000 We said that that was that first statement he'd given, but you didn't see him talking.

00:24:39.000 We don't know if he's injured.

00:24:41.000 We don't know if he's a vegetable.

00:24:42.000 We don't know if he's alive.

00:24:44.000 He could, I mean, we've blown up a lot of the Iranian leadership, so it could be very handy to have this symbolic leader that we know nothing about, and then someone else is able to call the shots without getting blown up.

00:24:56.000 Yeah, and here's the problem is that he, in theory, could be more hardlined than his father.

00:25:03.000 So he's 56-year-old son of the late Ali Khomeini, Iran's longtime supreme leader, who was assassinated on the first day of these strikes.

00:25:12.000 He was picked as successor by the Assembly of Experts in a quick election March 3rd through the 8th, 2026.

00:25:19.000 So just a few days ago.

00:25:22.000 And that makes him the third supreme leader since Iran's 1979 revolution.

00:25:28.000 All right.

00:25:29.000 So before this, Majtaba, Majaba, never held an official government job, but apparently he was known for pulling strings behind the scenes in the shadows.

00:25:40.000 He has never held a government job.

00:25:42.000 I don't know that he's ever given a public speech.

00:25:44.000 Yeah.

00:25:44.000 He apparently is reported.

00:25:46.000 Again, these are, some of this we just don't know.

00:25:50.000 As Blake said, he's a bit of a cipher, but some reporting indicates that he has long held deep ties, deep connections within the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, the IRGC, through his father's office.

00:26:01.000 He was a mid-ranking cleric who's been whispering in the ears for years.

00:26:05.000 That's how it's been put.

00:26:08.000 He allegedly got hit in the leg during the same strikes that killed his father, according to Israeli officials.

00:26:16.000 He's been MIA from public view since becoming leader on March 8th or 9th.

00:26:21.000 No video appearances yet.

00:26:22.000 This was the first public statement that had been attributed to him.

00:26:26.000 Again, we don't even know if he said it.

00:26:28.000 There's been cardboard cutout, AI videos going all over the internet of this guy.

00:26:34.000 It's kind of a meme, a joke that we've never seen him.

00:26:37.000 And, you know, if this is to be believed that, yeah, there's the cardboard cutout.

00:26:42.000 If this is to be believed that this was in fact a statement from him, then we see that he is doubling down.

00:26:50.000 He is not shrinking back.

00:26:52.000 And so I think that we have to be honest about the fact, as Blake said, a full circle moment here, that if you cannot open the Strait of Hormuz, this will be a long, drawn-out conflict that you cannot simply declare victory and get out of.

00:27:07.000 Yeah, and so we just kind of offer some big picture perspective.

00:27:10.000 There's a lot of back and forth.

00:27:12.000 First of all, anything you see online, remember, most of it's fake.

00:27:15.000 Huge amounts of AI stuff, huge amount of just made-up stuff, unverified claims.

00:27:20.000 Remember, there's going to be people claiming we've 100% won, and there's people claiming we've already lost.

00:27:26.000 And neither is true.

00:27:28.000 Remember, President Trump said he had about a four to five week plan for the campaign.

00:27:32.000 We're 11.

00:27:33.000 And we're basically one-third of the way into that.

00:27:36.000 There is a lot that can still happen.

00:27:38.000 Yep.

00:27:38.000 And he said, by the way, all the messaging from Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, President Trump, is that we're not done yet, but militarily, we've done a lot of damage.

00:27:48.000 And that is certainly true.

00:27:49.000 But just remember this.

00:27:50.000 No regime has ever been removed by airstrikes alone.

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00:30:30.000 So Pete Hegseth is aware of this and he went hard actually when asked about the Strait of Hormuz.

00:30:37.000 Spelled S-T-R-A-I-T.

00:30:39.000 No G-H.

00:30:41.000 Well, we can, you know, when we declare victory, maybe we'll rename it the gay of Hormuz.

00:30:47.000 All right, here we go.

00:30:48.000 Cut two.

00:30:49.000 I would reiterate also to add to what the chairman said, the truth the president posted last night about that, saying if Iran does anything to stop the flow of oil within the Strait of Hormuz, they will be hit by the United States of America 20 times harder than they have been hit thus far.

00:31:05.000 He goes on to say death, fire, and fury will rain upon them.

00:31:08.000 You've seen the truth and read it, but he takes very seriously the condition of that strait.

00:31:13.000 We have capabilities that no other nation on earth has, and we're certainly working with our energy partners across the administration to control for that.

00:31:20.000 That's part of that scoping of this.

00:31:23.000 The world needs to understand this doesn't have, this isn't intended to be, nor is it something that will expand.

00:31:29.000 We know exactly what we're attempting to achieve here, scoped properly, and the American people can count on that for sure.

00:31:36.000 All right.

00:31:37.000 So, Blake, you were talking to some naval experts and some shipping experts about this.

00:31:42.000 We're actually lining up some guests on that front.

00:31:47.000 So, we know that the IEA agreed to release 400 million barrels of reserved oil across the world to help with supply on the supply side.

00:31:58.000 We know that there is ships in the Strait of Hormuz that are too scared to move forward.

00:32:03.000 Some of them even got struck.

00:32:04.000 There was fires.

00:32:05.000 So, we don't believe that they have the ability, Iran, to take out these tankers necessarily, but they could.

00:32:13.000 And it's all about certainty.

00:32:14.000 It's all about escalating risk.

00:32:16.000 And if you want to, for those of you who like history, this is also what happened in the world wars.

00:32:20.000 How did Germany try to win World War I, World War II?

00:32:23.000 They had submarines.

00:32:24.000 They surrounded Britain.

00:32:26.000 They tried to sink ships coming to Britain.

00:32:29.000 And it's not that they had to ship sink every single one.

00:32:32.000 They had to endanger them enough that civilian ship captains would not want to sail their boats there.

00:32:38.000 They would say, no, thanks.

00:32:40.000 I don't want my boat to be in danger.

00:32:43.000 And that's what you have here.

00:32:44.000 Like, frankly, you kind of see the point when President Trump says that they should be braver.

00:32:49.000 He's basically saying there's hundreds, maybe thousands of these ships.

00:32:53.000 If you guys try to go through, they really can't damage or destroy more than a fraction of you.

00:32:59.000 But it's just enough where ships don't really want to take that risk.

00:33:03.000 They don't want to think, I could be the one who gets blown up for trying to do that.

00:33:06.000 And there have been ships that have gotten hit.

00:33:08.000 They've taken damage.

00:33:09.000 There might be some people who've died from this.

00:33:11.000 And if they're able to slow it up enough, the entire global economy sort of grinds to a halt as a result.

00:33:17.000 Yeah, President Trump has a clip out.

00:33:19.000 I don't think we have it loaded, but he essentially says they need to be more courage.

00:33:23.000 I think they should go through.

00:33:24.000 They can't stop them.

00:33:25.000 And there is a story of a crazy Greek.

00:33:27.000 Yes, I was reading, there was a thread on X about what ships have gone through.

00:33:31.000 And apparently there is a highly risk-taking Greek admiral who, or not Admiral, a ship owner who he's maybe done this with the Red Sea too, where he just says, let's run it through.

00:33:41.000 I think we'll turn off our transponder so it's harder to spot these ships, go through at night, and just risk it.

00:33:46.000 But another aspect that's made this complicated, for example, there are civilian Iranian ships that actually are still sailing through the straits.

00:33:53.000 We're not sinking them.

00:33:55.000 There are apparently there are Chinese ships that go through, and they basically just loudly broadcast this is a Chinese ship, and they assume Iran will not take a shot at them, and they haven't.

00:34:07.000 And so it's not that it's totally closed.

00:34:09.000 It's that some ships are able to go through, are allowed through.

00:34:13.000 But if you are looked at as part of the American allied or the sort of establishment oil industry that's unsanctioned, then you're getting hit.

00:34:22.000 Now, also, we should note that Saudi Arabia has begun routing, they do have a pipeline to get through the Red Sea.

00:34:29.000 So they are routing that.

00:34:32.000 There's a lot of alternatives.

00:34:34.000 Five to a million barrels a day or two.

00:34:35.000 A lot of these countries along the Gulf are not, they're not super friendly with the Saudis.

00:34:40.000 Qatar and the Saudi Arabians, for example, famously don't get along that well.

00:34:44.000 And Qatar can't pipeline, or they'll probably not want to pipeline through Saudi Arabia.

00:34:49.000 And I wonder if this were to go on long enough, you might see President Trump trying to forcibly impose more cooperation among these countries and saying, you guys need to work together to get through this crisis.

00:34:59.000 And they've all been shot at by Iran.

00:35:01.000 So that might get them all more eager to cooperate.

00:35:04.000 No, the reports indicate that there is a lot of cooperation actually within the Arab world at this point.

00:35:11.000 If you want a white pill about this conflict, it's that Israel and then all of these Sunni Arab states have gotten shot at by Iran.

00:35:19.000 And that could be, in the long run, a way that you go towards all of them papering over past differences.

00:35:24.000 They've all been attacked by the same rogue state.

00:35:28.000 And that can potentially, maybe that leads to all of them signing the Abraham Accords, all of them having a long-term peace deal.

00:35:34.000 You know, match that up with Gaza ceasefire stuff and rebuilding that.

00:35:38.000 That would be an optimistic take.

00:35:40.000 And we want to flag those optimistic takes because there is a lot of doomerism out there.

00:35:44.000 There is a lot of frustration.

00:35:46.000 And we should point towards upside potential opportunities as well as potential hazards.

00:35:50.000 Well, what you're seeing this conflict devolve into is that Iran's military might could never withstand the U.S.-Israeli joint military actions.

00:36:00.000 That was never going to happen.

00:36:01.000 What this could devolve into is more of a guerrilla war type situation where they use just the fear and uncertainty of passing through the strait to really bog down energy markets, which is the long-term issue.

00:36:14.000 Then you see the new supreme leader going underground, not coming out, because if he comes out, he's going to get killed.

00:36:20.000 Israel has already basically said we intend to kill him.

00:36:24.000 And that is another front on this whole Iran war that we need to keep our eye on, is that the objectives of the U.S. and Israel could be divergent, right?

00:36:34.000 Israel wants to see complete regime change.

00:36:37.000 I think President Trump is a little bit more pragmatic, realizes that if this keeps dragging on for too long, that he's going to want to pull out and declare victory.

00:36:45.000 But again, you have to assume that no regime change has ever been successfully accomplished through only aerial assaults.

00:36:55.000 So that brings us to Karg Island.

00:36:57.000 Now, Karg Island is another piece of this puzzle.

00:37:01.000 So Karg Island sits off the coast of Iran.

00:37:04.000 It's been described as, there it is, there's a picture of it.

00:37:07.000 It's been described as the caste register of Iran.

00:37:11.000 This is where their oil ultimately sort of goes, and then it gets loaded onto tankers and then shipped usually to China, basically.

00:37:20.000 And so the question is: are we going to use troops?

00:37:23.000 Are we going to use special forces?

00:37:25.000 That Karg Island is a very important piece to this puzzle.

00:37:29.000 If you were to put troops on that island, could you hold it?

00:37:32.000 Would you be able to protect them?

00:37:33.000 Would they be sitting ducks?

00:37:35.000 But you could essentially cut off their oil flow and increase pressure on the Iranian regime, on the economy of Iran, to force potentially regime change, protests in the streets.

00:37:46.000 If you just occupied that island.

00:37:49.000 That I feel is a very dangerous set of words.

00:37:52.000 Like, oh, it starts off, just occupy this little island.

00:37:55.000 I told you.

00:37:56.000 Just send in little squads to do little.

00:37:58.000 But it's on the table.

00:37:59.000 You better believe it's on the table.

00:38:02.000 I think you could.

00:38:03.000 There is certainly a defensible case.

00:38:05.000 A few limited raids, a few tiny groups of guys.

00:38:07.000 It's not the same as big boots on the ground taking Tehran and all of that.

00:38:10.000 It's not the same as a ground invasion.

00:38:12.000 That's objectively true.

00:38:13.000 But it is each of those little steps leads you towards something that certainly Charlie warned against.

00:38:20.000 President Trump himself warned against in the past.

00:38:24.000 We just have to be very careful because there are certainly people out there who would love to see a general ground invasion.

00:38:31.000 And I think we have to keep warning against that.

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00:39:43.000 We are joined by the great Miranda Devine.

00:39:46.000 She is a New York Post columnist, as well as author of The Big Guy, a new book that you got to check out.

00:39:53.000 Miranda, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:39:55.000 It's good to have you.

00:39:57.000 Thanks so much, Andrew.

00:39:58.000 It's an honor to be with you all.

00:40:00.000 You know what's funny, Miranda?

00:40:01.000 I actually still am using that charger that I stole from you, that mobile charger.

00:40:06.000 It's baby blue.

00:40:07.000 So if you ever see me with a baby blue mobile charger, it's Miranda Devine's fault.

00:40:12.000 Anyways, thank you for that.

00:40:13.000 This was a gift.

00:40:15.000 It was a gift.

00:40:16.000 It was a gift I stole because I was in a bind and you were very sweet and you said, here, take this.

00:40:22.000 So, Miranda, I woke up this morning to social media showing me all these images of what's happened to Gracie Manchin.

00:40:29.000 I do not have a memory of Gracie Mansion ever being this much in the news.

00:40:34.000 First, there was the IEDs that the media falsely reported were targeting the mayor, and actually they were targeting anti-Muslim protesters out front of the mansion.

00:40:42.000 And now we see that it's been turned into essentially an iftar, a celebration, I guess a Ramadan-related celebration, Muslim celebration.

00:40:52.000 Let's just go ahead and play one of these clips for you.

00:40:54.000 This is Mayor Malamdani speaking some language.

00:40:57.000 I'm not sure which.

00:40:58.000 Cut 12.

00:41:05.000 Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

00:41:13.000 That is America.

00:41:15.000 That is not AI.

00:41:16.000 Miranda, what am I watching?

00:41:18.000 What happened?

00:41:20.000 What's going on in New York, please?

00:41:22.000 Well, I mean, you're watching the takeover of the city by a radical Islamist.

00:41:27.000 He's not just a communist, he's an Islamist.

00:41:31.000 And it's not like he hid that from us.

00:41:34.000 I mean, just a couple of weeks before the election, he tweeted out very proudly a photo of him having a lovely, you know, meeting with a 9-11 Imam or a guy who was an unindicted co-conspirator in the first World Trade Center attack, not 9-11.

00:41:55.000 But still, he was proud of it.

00:41:58.000 It wasn't anything that he was going to hide.

00:42:01.000 And so you can't say that voters didn't know what they were getting.

00:42:05.000 And then, of course, in his victory speech, he singled out all the people that got him elected, which was all the foreign-born New Yorkers and people who've been in New York for less than 10 years.

00:42:19.000 So, you know, anyone who's been who is a long-term New Yorker did not vote for Mamdani.

00:42:26.000 So that's what we've got.

00:42:29.000 And since he's been in office, he's really, I actually, I knew he was bad, but I thought, well, he'll have to moderate because he's got to really be mayor for the whole of New York.

00:42:41.000 And there are a lot of business interests.

00:42:43.000 And, you know, surely he'll have to moderate.

00:42:46.000 But he has not done that.

00:42:49.000 And the perfect example was this last weekend when we had these two alleged ISIS radicalized sympathizers, I guess you'd call them, who young men who threw bombs, IEDs, filled with shrapnel to cause maximum carnage into a group of protesters outside Gracie Mansion.

00:43:14.000 And, you know, the first thing Namdani does when he comes out is talk about white supremacists and bigotry and racism has no place in New York.

00:43:26.000 And then finally, he gets around to, oh, you know, violence has no place in the protest.

00:43:32.000 Like violence.

00:43:34.000 It wasn't violence.

00:43:36.000 It was a terrorist attack.

00:43:38.000 And thank goodness for the NYBT commissioner, Jessica Tisch, because she came out and just basically called him out by saying very pointedly, let's not be confused here.

00:43:51.000 This was a terrorist attack by two guys who swore allegiance to ISIS.

00:43:56.000 Do you get the sense, Miranda, that New Yorkers are waking up to the reality of their Muslim mayor that seems to have more allegiance to his own faith, to his ethnic background than he does necessarily to the city of New York or to America more broadly?

00:44:15.000 I'm not sure that anyone who wasn't already woken up to it is woken up to it or cares.

00:44:21.000 You know, I mean, the sort of the people, the protest outside Gracie Mansion on Saturday was an anti-Islam protest run by this rubble rouser right-winger Jake Lang, right?

00:44:35.000 And so the ISIS guys came in to throw bombs at him and his group.

00:44:45.000 But there were a whole bunch of sort of counter-protesters there who say everyone is welcome in New York.

00:44:51.000 And they would have been blown up just the same.

00:44:53.000 But one of them, you may have seen the guy with the megaphone and one of these terrorists reaches over and throws a bomb over his head and the megaphone guy looks quite surprised.

00:45:04.000 Well, he said since, oh, well, you know, I still think that everyone is welcome.

00:45:09.000 So I don't know how you change leftists.

00:45:13.000 They're so ingrained in their ideology.

00:45:17.000 They've been brainwashed since the moment they set foot in their very elite private schools in Manhattan.

00:45:25.000 And they, you know, they went to universities.

00:45:28.000 And I mean, Columbia, for instance, had the big pro-Hamas demonstrations that made every Jew in New York feel in fear for their lives.

00:45:38.000 And who does Zorhan Mamdani have for a special dinner on Sunday night, just 24 hours after the bomb outside his mansion, Gracie Mansion?

00:45:51.000 He bombed, it didn't go off, I should point out.

00:45:55.000 He has Mahmoud Khalil over, who was the pro-Hamas activist, agitator who organized those protests and who's born in Algeria.

00:46:07.000 He's an Algerian citizen.

00:46:09.000 He's not an American citizen.

00:46:11.000 And the Trump administration wanted to deport him, quite rightly.

00:46:16.000 And, you know, various judges, leftist judges have got in the way.

00:46:20.000 And he's become a cause celeb for the left.

00:46:23.000 And Mamdani treated him to this very special dinner on Sunday night and tweeted photos of it to rub it in.

00:46:31.000 So obviously these symbolic acts are, I mean, they're getting a lot of attention and they definitely matter.

00:46:38.000 Do you have a sense?

00:46:39.000 What's the city feel like on the ground?

00:46:41.000 Are we seeing a surge of the disorder that makes life less livable?

00:46:45.000 What's it like on the subway now versus maybe a year ago?

00:46:47.000 And where do you expect that to go in the months to come?

00:46:50.000 There's the only sign so far has been that there just seemed to be more homeless on the streets.

00:46:58.000 And Eric Adams had done quite a good job of, especially, I mean, they're mostly mentally ill, in fact, they're all mentally ill and or drug affected.

00:47:08.000 And so Eric Adams had sort of instituted this sort of rule where you could take them off the streets involuntarily because of course, if you're drug affected or mentally ill, you're not going to be thinking rationally.

00:47:22.000 So, but Mamdani came in and immediately unwound that with the result that the first big snowstorm that we had, we had something like a dozen homeless people froze on the street.

00:47:35.000 I think it was like 24 years, actually.

00:47:38.000 Right.

00:47:38.000 Okay.

00:47:39.000 Some of the Mamjani goes, oh, it was drug overdoses.

00:47:42.000 But I mean, they died and it was because of his policies.

00:47:42.000 Right.

00:47:46.000 And that's his version of compassion.

00:47:48.000 So, and apart from that, he's completely inept when it comes to the basics of being there, like plowing the snow and fixing the potholes.

00:47:58.000 So you do notice that the street is falling apart.

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00:49:04.000 Police are responding to a scene in West Bloomfield for an active situation.

00:49:09.000 Shooters, sources rather, say an active shooter threat is underway at Temple Israel.

00:49:16.000 And they say a major scene was reported there.

00:49:19.000 If you're familiar with the area, this is located on Walnut Lake Road.

00:49:23.000 So a live look there thanks to our Fox 2 Detroit helicopter as we see that there is some smoke there from a building and that seems to be where the helicopter is concentrating this live look.

00:49:37.000 It's a little hard to tell, but we do see that emergency responders are surrounding this building.

00:49:42.000 According to Fox 2 Detroit, there is a threat underway at Temple Israel there in Michigan.

00:49:50.000 So we're joined by Miranda Devine breaking news.

00:49:50.000 All right.

00:49:53.000 A major scene reported at Temple Israel in Detroit, the Detroit area, Bloomfield area.

00:49:59.000 Smoke is seen pouring out of the building.

00:50:01.000 Several police vehicles spotted around the perimeter.

00:50:04.000 The Jewish Federation of Detroit has ordered all Jewish organizations to go into lockout protocol.

00:50:10.000 Miranda, this seems to be the latest in a series of, I don't know if you want to call them sleeper cells.

00:50:18.000 We can only guess at the motivation, but it seems related to a lot of the violence that we've seen since Iran situation has unfolded.

00:50:27.000 Your thoughts?

00:50:28.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:50:29.000 And I mean, where that synagogue is in Detroit is the largest Jewish population in Michigan.

00:50:36.000 So it's well known, West Bloomfield, as being a Jewish neighborhood.

00:50:42.000 And of course, Detroit itself, larger metro Detroit, has one of the largest Muslim and Arab American populations in America.

00:50:53.000 So Dearborn, which is the sort of ground zero of the Muslim presence there, is about 20 miles away.

00:51:00.000 So, I mean, you know, obviously it's too early to draw any conclusions, but it seems pretty obvious that this is a targeted attack and who has motivation to target.

00:51:11.000 So especially, I mean, you know, Department of Homeland Security has warned us that the Iran war has raised the threat of sort of lone wolf style attacks in the homeland.

00:51:23.000 And we've already seen several of them.

00:51:27.000 You know, the Austin, Texas shooting, the guy wearing the Iran flag shirt and the Allah is great hoodie.

00:51:36.000 And then, of course, on the weekend, these ISIS guys.

00:51:39.000 I will say, though, a counter-terror guy did point out about the weekend that those guys, although the media made out that they were provoked into, you know,

00:51:51.000 their violent actions by the right-wing white nationalists or whatever they were, Jake Lang protest, anti-Muslim protest, there's no way that they would have been able to get organized in the time that that protest took place because he points out it would have taken months to organize, to prepare the bombs, to buy all the ingredients.

00:52:13.000 And they had a storage locker with a whole bunch of bombs in it.

00:52:17.000 So this is sort of part of what you would think that whoever is orchestrating this is activating these cells.

00:52:25.000 Yeah, I think that is an interesting question.

00:52:29.000 There was a report yesterday.

00:52:31.000 I think we played a Will Kane clip earlier in our one that said there could be a potential trigger that Iran could put out to trigger some of these sleeper cells.

00:52:41.000 But whether it's a do-it-yourself lone wolf situation or a trigger of IRGC members that slip through the border under Biden, the result is the same is that we have communities living in fear, especially as you, I think, aptly pointed out, Miranda, that West Bloomfield, known Jewish community in Michigan, largest in the state, 20 minutes away, 20 miles away from the ground zero for the Islamification of America, right?

00:53:09.000 Right next to, I mean, there's a very old Jewish community in Detroit.

00:53:12.000 It's been there a very long time.

00:53:15.000 More recently, it's, yeah, as you say, the center of Islamic settlement in the United States.

00:53:20.000 That's always caused some friction, but it's really ramped up a lot.

00:53:24.000 Charlie warned about this all the time, that there is a huge surge in just anti-Semitism and Jew hatred in America.

00:53:31.000 A lot of it is coming from immigration.

00:53:34.000 A lot of it's coming from the left because it hates Israel a lot.

00:53:37.000 But also, let's be frank, some of it's also happened on the right.

00:53:41.000 And it's a recurring bugbear.

00:53:44.000 It infects people's brains.

00:53:46.000 They ramble about it online.

00:53:48.000 And for some of the, I think some of them think it's just like funny, but it's very lethal for a lot of people.

00:53:55.000 Yeah, Miranda, when you, you know, obviously New York has a huge Jewish community as well.

00:53:59.000 You talked about the way that the October 7th attack and the response from universities like Columbia made the Jewish community feel unsafe in New York.

00:54:10.000 Have you heard from any of your Jewish friends in the city of New York?

00:54:13.000 I mean, how are they reacting to what's going on in Iran?

00:54:15.000 Are they on security?

00:54:18.000 Is it increased?

00:54:19.000 I mean, what is happening with the Jewish community in New York right now?

00:54:23.000 Well, Jews in New York are already, you know, locked down maximum security because it's been such a hostile environment for them since October 7, like since the very day before Israel retaliated in Gaza.

00:54:38.000 They have been under siege.

00:54:40.000 So, You know, the ones I know anyway are very much for what President Trump's doing in Iran.

00:54:46.000 Think it's absolutely crucial and just abhor Mamdani and just feel kind of betrayed by fellow New Yorkers that Mamjani is now, you know, an Islamist.

00:55:00.000 It basically got voted in on the heels of the October 7 backlash.

00:55:06.000 So I think it's very sad.

00:55:08.000 The other thing I just point out about Dearborn, which is interesting, is I remember way back when, you know, before the 24 election, when we were all fighting this fight and Charlie was doing that so well about, you know, transgender children and girls in women's sport and indoctrinating children about gender in schools.

00:55:29.000 And you know who was a very good ally on that?

00:55:32.000 It was the parents of Muslim parents in Dearborn, Michigan.

00:55:37.000 I mean, I remember being quite surprised and seeing that they were very vocal, and that was something that the Democrats paid attention to because that's their base.

00:55:46.000 So it's very sad that, you know, you can have like peaceful allyship with these people and then suddenly it turns lethal, like, you know, seems to have happened today.

00:55:59.000 Well, and you've seen this.

00:56:01.000 Yeah, you've seen this in your home nation of Australia as well, the Bondi Beach shooting.

00:56:06.000 And, you know, it's really sad to me that Melbourne is now listed as one of the cities.

00:56:12.000 Obviously, that happened in Sydney, but Melbourne is listed as one of the cities, the hotbeds for radicalization for Islamists.

00:56:20.000 So the whole world's flipped upside down.

00:56:23.000 And you know, Melbourne is the most left-wing city in the whole of Australia.

00:56:27.000 It was the one that had the harshest lockdown in the world that everyone embraced and then re-elected the same government that did that.

00:56:36.000 And very left-wing, and they're like frogs in boiling water.

00:56:39.000 I have very good friends there, and they just love it because, I mean, I guess it's a fun city, but it's like New York, it's very left-wing.

00:56:47.000 And it's no surprise that it's also the most radicalized because there's this left-Muslim-Islamist alliance.

00:56:56.000 Well, and you know, what they do is they react to the Bondi Beach shooting with like anti-hate speech laws.

00:57:01.000 I mean, the leftist reaction to terror is just the worst thing of any terror attack is you know the backlash that comes after it occurs.

00:57:08.000 Miranda Devine, New York Post columnist, author of The Big Guy, check her out.

00:57:12.000 Thank you, Miranda.

00:57:13.000 We'll have you on again soon.

00:57:14.000 Thanks, Andrew.

00:57:15.000 Thanks, guys.

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00:58:24.000 We are joined in studio by Pastor Lucas Miles.

00:58:29.000 He's the senior director of TPSA Faith.

00:58:31.000 Welcome back.

00:58:32.000 Thanks for having me.

00:58:33.000 Always good to be with you guys.

00:58:34.000 Yeah.

00:58:35.000 So let's just start with this breaking news out of Detroit.

00:58:40.000 If we could throw some of that B-roll up, that'd be great.

00:58:44.000 There is an active shooter situation.

00:58:46.000 I'm getting the details as we have.

00:58:50.000 It says that no confirmed casualties, arrests, suspect identity, or mode of release by authorities as of the latest report.

00:58:58.000 But we know that it's close to Dearborn, which is the largest Muslim population at least in the state of Michigan, maybe in the country.

00:59:07.000 I'm not sure.

00:59:08.000 And West Bloomfield is the area where the largest Jewish population lives.

00:59:13.000 So we're guessing.

00:59:15.000 Obviously, we haven't had any confirmed reports, but it certainly seems in line with that.

00:59:20.000 The rise of anti-Semitism is very alarming.

00:59:24.000 And a lot of that is getting attached to evangelicals.

00:59:28.000 I mean, there's sort of some now the attack has morphed into an attack on evangelicals because they're seen as being supportive of the state of Israel.

00:59:36.000 I don't want to put you in too much hot water here.

00:59:38.000 This is not what you prep for because we actually have things that we're doing on the Make Heaven Crowded tour.

00:59:43.000 But just give us your take of the landscape, right?

00:59:45.000 Yeah, I mean, I would argue that ultimately that this is starting to land on the target, and that is the elimination of this evangelical, you know, really majority in this nation.

00:59:59.000 When you look at why we were so successful, 2024 election, major part of that, evangelicals.

01:00:06.000 You look at really the foundation of this nation, you know, the founding of our nation.

01:00:11.000 Evangelicalism, Protestants have been at the center of that.

01:00:14.000 And I think that there is this concerted effort to try to dismantle that.

01:00:18.000 I think that a lot of the ideas on the left, whether that be pagan constructs or Marxist constructs, that those cannot be successful unless this biblical worldview is completely removed.

01:00:32.000 And so, you know, and these things are tied together, right?

01:00:35.000 The evangelicals, Protestants historically have aligned with the state of Israel and viewed that as, you know, within a spectrum.

01:00:42.000 You have replacement theology on one side and you have dispensation on the other side, but they're both within orthodoxy.

01:00:48.000 And so we can have a debate on those.

01:00:49.000 What is outside of Orthodoxy?

01:00:51.000 Dual covenantism, where there's two ways to get saved, one through Christ and another through genealogy.

01:00:56.000 And on the opposite side of that is anti-Semitism.

01:00:59.000 Both of those exist outside of Christianity.

01:01:01.000 And so, you know, there's a lot to unpack here, and it just feels like the attacks are just being bombarded from every direction right now, and it's hard to keep up, honestly.

01:01:08.000 Yeah, I have one update.

01:01:10.000 The building, Temple Israel, was not in service.

01:01:15.000 Nothing was scheduled in that building until 1:30 local time.

01:01:18.000 It looks like the attack started around 12:30.

01:01:21.000 A vehicle was deliberately driven into Temple Israel at around 12:30 local time, sparking an active security situation.

01:01:29.000 The car caught fire with visible smoke.

01:01:32.000 Shots were fired afterwards.

01:01:36.000 So the Jewish Federation of Detroit confirmed we are aware of an active security incident at Temple Israel.

01:01:42.000 Law enforcement are responding.

01:01:44.000 Our Jewish agencies are currently in precautionary lockdown.

01:01:47.000 We ask community members to stay away from the area at this time.

01:01:51.000 This was at 5725 Walnut Lake Road, West Bloomfield, Michigan, nearby Bloomfield Hills and West Bloomfield schools placed in secure lockdown mode.

01:02:00.000 Again, no confirmed casualties.

01:02:02.000 We don't have any suspect identity, no mode of release, no nothing.

01:02:07.000 Blake, I know you have a lot of thoughts about this.

01:02:09.000 You're Catholic.

01:02:10.000 We have a lot of Catholics at turning point.

01:02:11.000 We have a lot of Protestants at Turning Point.

01:02:14.000 You know, you are interesting in this way because you acknowledge that as a Catholic, that a lot of America's founding ethos, ideology, our founding documents came from a Protestant tradition.

01:02:27.000 Like, I guess, make it make sense, combine the two.

01:02:31.000 You know, America kind of is a Protestant nation.

01:02:33.000 This has been the bedrock of our country, our founding, a lot of our strength.

01:02:37.000 But we love Catholics too.

01:02:39.000 So, I mean, I want your perspective on this.

01:02:41.000 I mean, it's definitely, I think, you know, Catholics aren't as they don't have the same kind of connection that evangelicals often do with Israel, with Judaism.

01:02:56.000 You know, the idea of like, for example, Messianic Judaism is not really a thing that has currency in Catholicism.

01:03:03.000 The general idea of Catholicism is like the church is sort of the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

01:03:09.000 So the desire of the church is everyone would join the church because that's what there's a Catholic prayer historically at Easter or something.

01:03:17.000 No, I believe there still is.

01:03:19.000 I didn't know if that ended after Vatican.

01:03:21.000 I think they may have changed the wording of it because people disliked it.

01:03:27.000 But it was a prayer for a prayer for the Jewish people.

01:03:32.000 Maybe what it is, I think there's a prayer for the Jewish people, and it doesn't explicitly say they should convert anymore.

01:03:38.000 I'd have to see the text historically, but it is during the Easter vigil.

01:03:42.000 Well, I pray the same.

01:03:44.000 I want Jews to meet Jesus.

01:03:46.000 But this whole, I think this underlying attack against the Protestant bedrock of the country, which has been a bulwark of freedom, it's been a bulwark of conservatism.

01:03:57.000 I mean, what is the 80-20 vote for Trump or something like that?

01:04:01.000 It is under siege.

01:04:02.000 And so, I mean, maybe tie that into what we're doing with Make Heaven Crowded.

01:04:06.000 Well, look, I mean, you have, there's a lot of groups.

01:04:08.000 It's like the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

01:04:10.000 And I think you're seeing that with Islamicists, Marxists.

01:04:14.000 You're seeing this with, you know, those that would be in kind of this neo-Nazi, you know, Groyper kind of thing that's happening.

01:04:21.000 And I think that they're finding some degree of commonality, though they're completely opposing views themselves, is that they have this sort of uniform position, you know, against Israel.

01:04:32.000 And that's become, you know, just this unifying factor in many ways.

01:04:37.000 And so it's frightening.

01:04:38.000 What we need for a solution for this, we need ideological change on an individual level.

01:04:43.000 And that's really what we're doing at Make Heaven Crowded.

01:04:45.000 It's really about going around the nation, taking that spirit.

01:04:48.000 Something happened at Charlie's Memorial.

01:04:51.000 I mean, you cannot get away from that.

01:04:53.000 And there was a spiritual DNA shift in this nation that took place.

01:04:58.000 And we saw that.

01:04:59.000 It was tangible in the room.

01:05:00.000 It was tangible.

01:05:01.000 It was tangible after that.

01:05:02.000 Churches exploded.

01:05:03.000 My own church 3xed after Charlie's Memorial the next week.

01:05:07.000 Three times.

01:05:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:08.000 And we've sustained the vast majority of that growth.

01:05:12.000 And we're seeing that.

01:05:13.000 We work with 11,000 churches now at TPSA Faith across a wide array of actually 12,000.

01:05:19.000 I checked with the two.

01:05:20.000 Did it hit 12,000?

01:05:22.000 Okay, all right.

01:05:22.000 All right.

01:05:23.000 Well, not to throw you under the bus here, but it's growing faster than we can count it, right?

01:05:28.000 So that was a last week number that I had.

01:05:31.000 And it's been so exciting to see this development.

01:05:34.000 And, you know, these are churches.

01:05:35.000 And, you know, understand that number of 12,000.

01:05:38.000 We were at about 4,600 on September 10th.

01:05:42.000 And so we have almost 3x the network of churches that we work with.

01:05:47.000 And we have pastors that are calling us and saying, look, I was always aligned with you guys ideologically, but I just never was really willing to wade in these waters.

01:05:55.000 I never was willing to get in the fight.

01:05:58.000 I was afraid of losing my people or losing tithes or whatever.

01:06:01.000 And just like, I know what's at stake now.

01:06:03.000 I know what time it is.

01:06:04.000 I got to get in the fight.

01:06:05.000 So this Make Heaven Crowded Tour.

01:06:06.000 We're going to 30 cities across the country this year.

01:06:09.000 Our next one coming up is in Pennsylvania at Freedom Life Church, I believe on April 8th.

01:06:15.000 And then we have one of our biggest ones this year is going to be at Prestonwood Baptist.

01:06:20.000 And that is on April 29th.

01:06:21.000 We're expecting over 10,000 people with this one.

01:06:23.000 It is going to be a massive, massive event.

01:06:25.000 Erica's going to be there.

01:06:27.000 Pastor Jack Graham, myself, we've got Ali Beth Stuckey and a couple other surprise guests.

01:06:33.000 We're still lining up.

01:06:34.000 I mean, listen to some of these cities that we're hitting with the Make Heaven Crowded Tour.

01:06:38.000 You've already done Harvest Church.

01:06:40.000 You've already done Awakened Church in San Diego.

01:06:43.000 You've done World Outreach Church in Nashville.

01:06:45.000 But now we're going to Philadelphia, Virginia Beach, Dallas, Portland, Rapid City, South Dakota.

01:06:50.000 There you go, Blake.

01:06:51.000 Little Dakota love.

01:06:52.000 Billings, Montana, Crown Point, Indiana, Louisville, Kentucky, Seattle, Washington.

01:06:57.000 Oh, right.

01:06:58.000 Pursuit Church.

01:06:58.000 Great.

01:06:59.000 In Kirkland.

01:07:00.000 Anchorage, Alaska, El Paso, Texas, Charlotte, North Carolina, Las Vegas, Nevada, Austin, Texas, Woodland Park, Colorado, Phoenix, Arizona.

01:07:07.000 Oh, okay.

01:07:08.000 That's for Amphet.

01:07:10.000 I love that.

01:07:10.000 And then you even got TBD's in the works.

01:07:14.000 We have an 8,000-person church in Honolulu that we're working on dates for right now.

01:07:18.000 I mean, the vision here was to take some of that revival spirit that we all experienced at the memorial and take it on the road, right?

01:07:18.000 That's amazing.

01:07:28.000 Yes.

01:07:28.000 And so these are very much focused on your relationship with Jesus.

01:07:33.000 We're encouraging the audience when they sign up.

01:07:35.000 And, you know, you can register.

01:07:37.000 It's a free event.

01:07:38.000 There's no tithe collected.

01:07:40.000 It's a totally free event when you show up there.

01:07:42.000 But we're encouraging the attendees to bring a friend.

01:07:45.000 This is where you grab your neighbor that said, hey, you know what?

01:07:47.000 I was impacted by this, but I'm still exploring some stuff about my faith.

01:07:50.000 Or maybe he's coming out to church with you a couple times.

01:07:52.000 Bring him out for this.

01:07:53.000 And we are seeing, you know, our first stop, we had 5,500 people who came, and we had over 300 people give their life to the Lord.

01:07:59.000 It was incredible.

01:08:01.000 Whoa.

01:08:01.000 Yeah.

01:08:02.000 300 people gave their life to the Lord.

01:08:04.000 That's so encouraging.

01:08:05.000 I've become so convinced some of the darkness that we've seen, and I know a lot of you in the audience have seen it, become very concerned about it.

01:08:12.000 And the shooting is the latest incidence of it.

01:08:16.000 But it's because I believe the outpouring of life and love and goodness of the Holy Spirit that was unleashed at Charlie's Memorial makes the enemy really, really uncomfortable.

01:08:29.000 And so keep the faith.

01:08:31.000 I believe that what God has unleashed, man cannot stop.

01:08:34.000 Nork in the darkness.

01:08:35.000 All right, quick update on the situation in West Bloomfield.

01:08:40.000 Go ahead and put up some of that B-roll, guys.

01:08:43.000 I want people to get a sense of this building structure.

01:08:48.000 But here's the main point as we know it now.

01:08:51.000 The sheriff there is saying that the security guard at the temple saw the gunman and engaged him at the temple.

01:09:00.000 They say that no one is confirmed to be hurt.

01:09:02.000 That's a preliminary report.

01:09:04.000 So grain assault, grain assault, grain assault.

01:09:08.000 But right now, they said no one confirmed to be hurt at this time, but it's too early to connect this to terrorism, says the sheriff.

01:09:15.000 So the suspect is not in custody.

01:09:17.000 So they're right now looking to see if there's more than one suspect.

01:09:21.000 They're telling people within a mile they should shelter in place.

01:09:25.000 Everyone has been moved out of the school.

01:09:27.000 This is an update from the sheriff there in West Bloomfield.

01:09:30.000 Go ahead.

01:09:31.000 It's just a frightening thing.

01:09:32.000 We've got churches, religious houses of all denominations have become, I don't want to say popular, but pretty frequent targets of people, they've become, yeah.

01:09:46.000 So you have protests that intrude into them.

01:09:49.000 You have shooters.

01:09:51.000 You have targeting of various kinds.

01:09:53.000 And we're going to see, I think, synagogues become more popular targets because of this Iran conflict.

01:09:59.000 We've seen churches and religious schools be hit often multiple times with this transgenderism nexus.

01:10:06.000 And I just, I worry about the state of the country because a lot of people are marinating in really extreme ideas.

01:10:16.000 And there's this increasing idea that someone's ideas or someone's beliefs make them a legitimate target for violence.

01:10:23.000 I mean, that's ultimately what happened with Charlie: that people reject debate.

01:10:27.000 They reject normal engagement.

01:10:29.000 And instead, they see every problem as something that they can somehow solve by picking up a rifle.

01:10:34.000 Went to East Africa the first time in 2008, and every church I went to and preached there, it had guys with armed guys, AK-47 out in front of the church.

01:10:43.000 It was so foreign to me.

01:10:45.000 And now, like, going to a church that doesn't have a security team, like, I'd be like, What are you guys doing?

01:10:49.000 Like, this is, you have to understand where we're at right now.

01:10:52.000 Like, and it's, it's, it's terrible that we even have to think like this, but this is this is the world that we live in.

01:10:56.000 And I think as long as this stuff is allowed to, you know, continue and this type of ideology, you know, pushes on, you know, you know, houses of worship have to have to think about security at like top priority.

01:11:08.000 And it's such a frustrating sign of decline because America has always had a large number of denominations.

01:11:13.000 The original reason a lot of people know that we had the First Amendment is because we had so many different just Protestant churches, Quakers, Anglo-Quakers, Anglicans, Congregationalists, and eventually Methodists and so on.

01:11:24.000 And then, of course, we've had a large number of Catholics since the mid-19th century.

01:11:28.000 We've had a large number of Jews since about the same time.

01:11:31.000 And for the most part, we were able to live in peace.

01:11:35.000 And that was one of the great blessings of America because a lot of countries with religious divisions, it has ended extremely badly.

01:11:42.000 Northern Ireland.

01:11:44.000 Northern Ireland, Poland, of course, and Russia, you could say.

01:11:51.000 What we're looking at now is more like North and South Sudan or Nigeria, you know, where you're getting a Muslim on Jew violence or a Muslim on Christian violence or just tensions raised in general.

01:12:04.000 And we should be frank, there's Christian on Jewish violence.

01:12:07.000 And this is one of the things Charlie was most worried about that he saw this germ spreading on the right.

01:12:12.000 People who spend too much time online, too much time in really toxic formulas where they blame, they decide to blame the Jews for their problems.

01:12:21.000 Throw up 209.

01:12:22.000 This is a tweet from Charlie.

01:12:24.000 It says, Jew hate has no place in civil society.

01:12:26.000 It rots the brain.

01:12:28.000 Reject it.

01:12:29.000 I would add it has no place in Christianity either.

01:12:31.000 If you call yourself a, again, we can debate about eschatology.

01:12:34.000 That's fine.

01:12:35.000 But if you are, you know, calling yourself a Christian and you're saying Christ is king, and then you are, you know, promoting some sort of hatred towards a people because of their ethnicity, that isn't Christianity any longer.

01:12:47.000 Or the religion.

01:12:48.000 And I would just say, you know, Charlie was very adamant about this, by the way, that Jew hate was a brain rot.

01:12:55.000 And he said it over and over and over again.

01:12:58.000 And we must reject it.

01:12:59.000 Our Savior was a Jewish man.

01:13:02.000 He's a rabbi.

01:13:04.000 So, I don't know, you know, at some point, yeah, you could debate about replacement theology.

01:13:10.000 You could, whatever.

01:13:11.000 Dispensationalists, our Savior was a Jew.

01:13:14.000 You know, we had, we had a, I won't, I won't overly quote it because I, I, I probably can't do that right now, but you know, there was a, there was a big story this week about a particular pastor who was saying that, you know, he didn't, it didn't really matter to him what Jesus, you know, what his background was.

01:13:27.000 And it's like, if Jesus wasn't a Jewish Messiah, then he didn't fulfill the prophecies of the Old Testament, then he wasn't actually, you know, the Christ.

01:13:36.000 You know, and so it's like, this is intrinsic to our faith.

01:13:39.000 Like, it's not something that we can just do away with.

01:13:41.000 Again, we can debate the eschatology and the role of Israel in the future events of the coming of Christ, but to try to erase the past and do this, you know, revisionist history thing on even Jesus' own life.

01:13:55.000 Jesus could not have just been helicoptered into ancient Scotland or ancient China.

01:14:01.000 And if he preached the same message, it would not have made sense.

01:14:03.000 Well, you think it only made sense within the world of Judaism 38 AD.

01:14:10.000 You think about, you know, I was just thinking of that verse where Jesus looked at Jerusalem and he wept.

01:14:14.000 Yeah.

01:14:15.000 And he cared about the people in Israel.

01:14:21.000 Paul was willing to change his trade to salvation to save his own brothers and sisters.

01:14:25.000 He loved the Jewish people.

01:14:26.000 That's the point.

01:14:27.000 The amount of caring and heart and love.

01:14:30.000 Now, Jesus had his own issues with the ruling class, the Pharisees.

01:14:34.000 Obviously, I'm not suggesting you can't have political differences.

01:14:37.000 I'm not suggesting you can't be against the war.

01:14:40.000 I mean, Blake and I have been pretty honest and open about the fact that this is a heck of a climb and it's a big challenge.

01:14:48.000 And Charlie would have probably been against it.

01:14:50.000 But, you know, we have to pray for peace and we all need Jesus.

01:14:55.000 And I think, like, when you have conversations like this, when you see stuff that's going on in West Bloomfield, you just think, Lord, have mercy on America.

01:15:03.000 Pray for peace, and we need Jesus, which is why what you're doing and the team at TPOSA Faith is doing on the Make Heaven Crowded Tour, I think, is more important than ever.

01:15:12.000 It's easy to look online and get really discouraged when you see, you know, just all the conflict and the hate and all the news stories and everything else happening.

01:15:19.000 But when I'm telling you, boots on the ground going to churches around this country, we are seeing still massive awakening taking place.

01:15:26.000 And in some places, I would even say on the verge of what I would call revival happening.

01:15:31.000 And so this Make Heaven Crowded Tour, if you guys haven't heard one nearby you yet, we're going to be going and city.

01:15:36.000 We're actually pushing these into 2027.

01:15:39.000 We're going to be going around.

01:15:40.000 This is not stopping.

01:15:41.000 MakeheavencrowdedTour.com.

01:15:43.000 Find a city near you or use it as a chance to take a vacation and go see us in another city.

01:15:49.000 I really want to emphasize that point because I encounter people who identify as Christian, who say they're Christian, and it exists online for them.

01:15:56.000 It's just an identification they take.

01:15:59.000 From the very beginning in the New Testament, believers gather together.

01:16:03.000 If you are not gathering together with other believers, you are not a believer.

01:16:07.000 Unless you're in prison, impossible to do so.

01:16:09.000 If it is possible to gather with believers and you're not among them, you are not a believer.

01:16:13.000 You're certainly not a disciple, right?

01:16:15.000 You have to gather.

01:16:17.000 Go touch grass.

01:16:19.000 This is what launched TPOSA Faith in the beginning because Charlie hated that the church had stopped gathering during COVID.

01:16:25.000 And he said it was like going to church online is like watching a fire on a screen.

01:16:30.000 It's all the light without the warmth.

01:16:31.000 And that is literally what birthed TPO save faith.

01:16:34.000 So gather together.

01:16:36.000 Go to one of these tour stops.

01:16:37.000 Be a part of the community of believers.

01:16:39.000 The fellowship.

01:16:40.000 Ring a friend.

01:16:41.000 Yes.

01:16:41.000 Our goal is to make it crowded.

01:16:43.000 MakeheavencrowdedTour.com.

01:16:49.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 12, 2026

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