The Charlie Kirk Show - Countering Critical Race Theory from a Christian Perspective with Voddie Baucham

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00:00:27.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Vodi Bockam, author of Fault Lines, one of the best and most important conversations we've ever had on critical race theory.

00:00:36.000 What is it?

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00:00:38.000 Vodi talks about the need to challenge this pernicious and evil ideology, how it's infecting our cultural institutions, as well as our churches.

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00:02:54.000 I am here with a hero, a truth teller, a great guy.

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00:03:03.000 Bodie Bockham, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:03:05.000 Thank you very much.

00:03:05.000 I appreciate you having me.

00:03:07.000 Author of Fault Lines for all of you watching on Rumble, R-U-M-B-L-E.com, the social justice movement and evangelicalism's looming catastrophe.

00:03:17.000 Tell us about the book.

00:03:19.000 Yeah, it was a labor of love, a labor of love for the bride.

00:03:26.000 I have been talking about these things for a while and was really concerned with what I was seeing in terms of Christians being duped by and in some cases just embracing and imbibing this critical social justice movement.

00:03:43.000 And it's, you know, there's some books you want to write and other books you have to write. 0.54

00:03:48.000 I felt like this was a book I had to write.

00:03:51.000 And it's done phenomenally well.

00:03:52.000 I've had hundreds of people send me your content.

00:03:56.000 And so I'm so thrilled to be able to sit down with you.

00:03:59.000 And you are a, you get to the point.

00:04:02.000 You're a direct speaker.

00:04:03.000 You don't talk in overly academic prose or diction.

00:04:07.000 You get straight to the truth.

00:04:10.000 And so this really hits home for me because so many pastors that I grew up with and grew up watching have all of a sudden decided to kind of mix into their potion of Christianity this heavy dosage of wokeness. 0.73

00:04:28.000 And next thing you know, churches I used to drive by, even one here in Highland Park, Texas, has a BLM flag bigger than the American flag.

00:04:37.000 Whether they should have a BLM flag or not is even more of a disturbing question.

00:04:41.000 So you wrote this first and foremost to diagnose this problem. 0.74

00:04:46.000 And I love the term fault line because you're saying this could really be destructive and disastrous to the church.

00:04:54.000 Let's first talk about what is critical race theory.

00:04:58.000 Why does it present an existential threat to the church, both domestically and globally?

00:05:03.000 Well, critical race theory comes out of critical legal studies.

00:05:07.000 And again, when you hear that word critical, I try to tell people when you hear that word critical, their ears need to perk up.

00:05:14.000 They're telling you something when they use that term critical.

00:05:17.000 They're telling you that they're coming from the Frankfurt School of critical theory.

00:05:21.000 They're telling you that they're applying neo-Marxism.

00:05:24.000 They're telling you that they're operating from an oppressor-oppressed paradigm.

00:05:30.000 They're telling you that they're trying to problematize whatever it is that they're addressing so that they can bring about a revolutionary political solution to whatever that issue is, which ends in a reversal of this oppressor-oppressed paradigm.

00:05:47.000 So critical race theory is one of the many applications of this sort of Gramscian Frankfurt School neo-Marxist ideology to the issue of race in America.

00:06:02.000 It views racism as normal.

00:06:05.000 It views racism as baked in to American culture and ideology.

00:06:10.000 This is why, for example, the 1619 project is so important.

00:06:13.000 America can't be based on those lofty ideals of the Declaration of Independence in 1776 or in the Constitution ratified in 1787.

00:06:23.000 It has to be somewhere else.

00:06:24.000 So let's just go to 1619, you know, when first slaves, you know, come over or whatever, so that we don't have to deal with those ideals, which contradict the idea that America is systemically and irreparably racist.

00:06:39.000 So critical race theory, critical theory, is all about viewing things through that lens.

00:06:45.000 It's a worldview.

00:06:47.000 What I love about your book is that you define your terms before you go into them.

00:06:51.000 You talk about who Antonio Gramsci was.

00:06:54.000 You talk about his letters from prison.

00:06:55.000 You talk about how Marxism went through this evolution that started as an economic theory and then came into more of a cultural prose.

00:07:03.000 Talk about Herbert Marcuse.

00:07:05.000 Talk about who this man was, what he believed, and then what he started here in the States.

00:07:09.000 Yeah, Marcuse and Lukac, you know, these are the individuals that come from Germany.

00:07:16.000 They give us, you know, the Frankfurt School.

00:07:19.000 And you have to understand Antonio Gramsci and him in Italy under the fascists, being in prison under the fascists.

00:07:28.000 They're looking at this economic idea.

00:07:31.000 They see the Bolshevik revolution.

00:07:34.000 They believe that Europe's going to fall like dominoes, and it doesn't.

00:07:39.000 So Gramsci begins to think about why this happened.

00:07:43.000 He comes up with the idea of cultural hegemony, is really the idea that there is an oppressive worldview that causes the oppressed to accept their oppression.

00:07:58.000 And so if you want to see this revolution, you've got to deal with this hegemony with this worldview.

00:08:05.000 And the way that you do that is by controlling the robes of society.

00:08:10.000 And so, you know, you control the law, you control education, you control religion. 0.58

00:08:15.000 So now, you know, this sort of moves things in this cultural direction.

00:08:21.000 Then the Frankfurt School in Frankfurt, Germany, how do they influence America?

00:08:28.000 Well, Hitler comes to power, World War II happens, and they come over to the United States and they start to influence places like Columbia, places like UCLA, and then institutions like Hollywood, you know.

00:08:42.000 And what they're doing is they're applying this Marxist ideology. 0.84

00:08:47.000 And I say neo-Marxist ideology because it's really Gramsci's ideology about changing the hegemony, about influencing the culture so that you upset things from within.

00:09:04.000 And so Marcusa and the Frankfurt School, these individuals start really plying their trade and really thinking through and getting at the very practical issues of how you transform a culture from within through the application of Gramsci and neo-Marxism.

00:09:27.000 And Marcuse taught Angela Davis, who is actually a communist.

00:09:32.000 That's not pejorative.

00:09:33.000 She's a self-described communist. 0.68

00:09:35.000 Yes.

00:09:36.000 That's always interesting, is it, when somebody identifies themselves as a communist and you say they're a communist, you always have to explain.

00:09:43.000 No, no, I'm not just calling names.

00:09:45.000 Well, that's why absolutely, absolutely. 0.84

00:09:48.000 She calls herself a communist and she's part of the World Communist International League.

00:09:52.000 And so the issue here in our country is that this is growing with serious momentum.

00:10:02.000 Yes.

00:10:03.000 It's growing in numbers and it's growing in speed.

00:10:05.000 That's because it grew deep before it grew wide.

00:10:09.000 Explain that.

00:10:10.000 So what the Frankfurt School does is they take that long march through the institutions, right?

00:10:15.000 So where do the 60s radicals go?

00:10:15.000 Yes.

00:10:19.000 They went to the institutions, specifically schools of education and journalism and political science.

00:10:27.000 And then these new areas of study, often referred to as the grievance studies, right?

00:10:34.000 So queer studies, feminist studies, you know, different ethnic studies and so on and so forth.

00:10:42.000 Things like critical race theory, critical pedagogy.

00:10:46.000 So Paulo Freire, right?

00:10:47.000 Critical pedagogy.

00:10:49.000 You know, we're using this to teach teachers.

00:10:51.000 Yes.

00:10:52.000 And so because they went deep into these institutions, they were then able to have influence broadly in the culture through these individuals who were trained and educated without even recognizing.

00:11:07.000 I often say if you got a degree in education, you got a minor in neo-Marxism and you didn't even get credit for it on your diploma.

00:11:15.000 That's funny.

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00:12:20.000 I'm going to play devil's advocate and pretend to be a leftist.

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00:12:35.000 Aren't we called as Christians to seek justice, to be vessels for God's will here on earth?

00:12:43.000 What is so wrong with wanting to say that we want to take money from rich people, that we want to displace power from white people?

00:12:50.000 Aren't we all racist?

00:12:53.000 Well, actually, the problem with that is that CRT doesn't argue that we're all racist.

00:13:00.000 It argues that some of us are actually incapable of being racist.

00:13:03.000 So when you say we're all racist, I'm agreeing with you 100%.

00:13:07.000 The Bible's agreeing with you 100% because of the pride that's in the heart of every man.

00:13:13.000 But the problem with this ideology is that it says some people are guilty of that sin and other people are incapable of being guilty of that sin.

00:13:23.000 White people are guilty of that sin and they can't get away from being guilty of that sin.

00:13:28.000 And minorities, people of color, are not even capable of being guilty of that sin, which is why they talk about structural racism and systemic racism. 0.99

00:13:38.000 Because if racism is in structures, structures, and systems, then you don't need it to be present in people.

00:13:47.000 To your other question, you know, shouldn't we be and mustn't we be about justice?

00:13:52.000 The answer to that is absolutely.

00:13:55.000 God makes that very clear.

00:13:57.000 But social justice is redistributive justice.

00:14:02.000 Social justice is not the justice that you do or I do to our fellow man.

00:14:07.000 Social justice is redistributing resources so that various groups have equitable outcomes on all things.

00:14:19.000 Well, that cuts completely against the grain of scripture.

00:14:23.000 I mean, you have huge problem, for example, with Jesus and the parable of the talents because, you know, you've got the 10, you got the five, you got the one.

00:14:32.000 You've already got a problem because he didn't distribute the talents equitably in the first place.

00:14:38.000 Then he comes back and the person with the one talent didn't do a good job and he takes it from him and gives it to the one with 10 instead of going the other way around.

00:14:48.000 Social justice would have said, take it from the one who made all that money and give it to the one who was scared to invest, right?

00:14:56.000 But again, that's not what Jesus talks about in the parable of the talents.

00:15:01.000 And so, yes, we're about justice, but biblical justice is about the righteousness of God and the law of God being applied equally to all individuals because we are all guilty before a holy and just God.

00:15:21.000 And we all need the redemption that can only be found in Christ.

00:15:24.000 So some Christians will say, well, then it's our role to recognize how awful our society used to be and then do something to fix with how it is because someone I was related to did some awful things.

00:15:38.000 Why is that not?

00:15:39.000 Why shouldn't we do that?

00:15:40.000 Because all of us are related to people who did awful things, number one.

00:15:45.000 And because number two, you know, Ezekiel 18, I love to take people to Ezekiel 18.

00:15:51.000 And Ezekiel 18 makes it very clear that that is not how God deals with us, right?

00:15:59.000 God doesn't deal with us based on, you know, your parents did this, therefore you're okay with me.

00:16:05.000 Your parents did that.

00:16:07.000 Therefore, you're not okay with me.

00:16:10.000 That's not how God operates.

00:16:11.000 I don't have to face God based on the sins of my great, great, great grandparents.

00:16:17.000 I have to face God based on my own sin, the sin in my own heart.

00:16:23.000 And so this is just, it's a misapplication of the truth of scripture.

00:16:29.000 It's also a misapplication of history because people who say that, what they want to do is they want to say, well, didn't we do that from Japanese internment?

00:16:38.000 Yes, we did.

00:16:39.000 But that was restitution to people who were wronged, not the descendants of people who were wrong.

00:16:46.000 And that's what the Bible calls for.

00:16:48.000 Restitution to people who have been wronged, not to the descendants of people who have been wrong, and not by the descendants of the people who did the wrong. 1.00

00:16:59.000 I can see why the woesters don't like you. 1.00

00:17:02.000 You make way too much sense.

00:17:04.000 Well, we do what we can.

00:17:06.000 I'm going to read from you, page 131.

00:17:08.000 Fault lines where most earthquakes occur are cracks in the earth's surface where tectonic plates meet and slide past each other.

00:17:15.000 Usually, they are moving too slowly for us to notice.

00:17:19.000 But when stress builds up, they suddenly slip, causing an earthquake.

00:17:24.000 Is our nation, our civilization, and the American church currently on a fault line?

00:17:29.000 Absolutely.

00:17:30.000 And, you know, I was born and raised in Los Angeles, so I've experienced my share of earthquakes, which is kind of why this really resonated with me.

00:17:30.000 Yeah.

00:17:40.000 But I definitely see that.

00:17:42.000 And I see people standing on, you know, different sides of this fault as we wait for it to shift.

00:17:52.000 And I think this is one of those times when we've become aware of this fault line.

00:17:59.000 And we're all like thinking, okay, is this the big one?

00:18:03.000 And I think all of us would hope that it's not.

00:18:07.000 But it could be.

00:18:09.000 So the death of George Floyd, you attribute as one of the reasons why this has accelerated so much in the last year.

00:18:18.000 Was that a tremor, an aftershock, or the earthquake?

00:18:23.000 I think geologies.

00:18:28.000 I think that was an earthquake.

00:18:29.000 I really do.

00:18:30.000 And it's interesting because what that was for a lot of people was a smoking gun.

00:18:35.000 And there was a discussion and a debate about the extent to which police were targeting black people, if at all.

00:18:48.000 And there were debates about, you know, numbers and which numbers you're using and what research that you're using and what metric are you using, you know, in order to make this argument.

00:18:59.000 And there were a number of studies that came out and indicated that there was no evidence of this sort of racial disparity, you know, in police shootings and whatnot.

00:19:11.000 And then all of a sudden, the George Floyd case comes and there is this video evidence and people just kind of went, I told you, right?

00:19:21.000 Here it is.

00:19:22.000 Here's what I've been telling you.

00:19:24.000 And you know what was interesting to me, and I've said this to people, what was interesting to me with the Derek Chauvin trial.

00:19:31.000 I mean, they didn't throw the book at him.

00:19:33.000 Again, they threw the library at him, you know.

00:19:36.000 But what was interesting is what he wasn't charged with.

00:19:39.000 He wasn't charged with a hate crime because there was zero evidence that he did what he did because of race.

00:19:52.000 And because there was no evidence of that, he didn't even face that as his trial.

00:19:58.000 But when you talk to people about the George Floyd case, it is the smoking gun that proves the racist killing of black people by police.

00:20:08.000 Very sloppy oversimplification of an incredibly important and nuanced topic.

00:20:13.000 And so then all of a sudden, Vodi, I started to see churches have BLM murals and flags.

00:20:19.000 How did this happen?

00:20:20.000 How did we go from a church where I used to be lectured by these pastors?

00:20:24.000 I don't do politics.

00:20:27.000 And now all of a sudden I'm going to go march in a BLM Incorporated march.

00:20:31.000 I could say some pastors' names.

00:20:33.000 I might by the end of the segment, if I get my blood going.

00:20:38.000 I think we all know who they are.

00:20:41.000 They're the type of guys that do the rock concert TED Talk type church.

00:20:45.000 I'm talking about very tight skinny jeans.

00:20:47.000 I'm looking at you, Eric Metaxas.

00:20:49.000 So how did this happen?

00:20:51.000 How did the church all of a sudden just become so susceptible to this?

00:20:56.000 It's supposed to be the beacon of truth, the light of the world. 0.86

00:20:59.000 And then the church ends up flying these BLM flags.

00:21:01.000 Part of it was being taken up with the moment.

00:21:04.000 And the other part of it was, you know, forms of white guilt.

00:21:09.000 The last thing you want to do is be called a racist.

00:21:13.000 You don't even want to be called insensitive.

00:21:16.000 And so I've had conversations with a number of pastors who said things like, well, I didn't necessarily perceive it that way, but there were some of our black brothers and sisters who did perceive it that way.

00:21:28.000 And we wanted to be sensitive to that.

00:21:33.000 That's hugely problematic.

00:21:35.000 If somebody's believing something that's not true, you do them a disservice if you act like it is true.

00:21:45.000 And you're showing not respect for people, but a disrespect and disregard for people.

00:21:52.000 You know, you kind of patting them on the head, you know, like, oh, you sweet little thing, you believe that.

00:21:57.000 That's okay.

00:21:58.000 We'll go along with you, right?

00:22:00.000 Even though we know that's how you treat children, you know, it's not how you treat your brothers and sisters in Christ.

00:22:06.000 So I think there are a number of things that sort of came together and led to that moment.

00:22:12.000 I think it's also sort of a byproduct of some things that have been creeping in slowly for a long time in terms of the way we have embraced either knowingly or unknowingly some of these Marxist ideas.

00:22:31.000 So yeah, there were a number of things that sort of led to that moment.

00:22:34.000 So some Christians and pastors, especially youth pastors, will say, as they go to college, that we are systemically racist.

00:22:42.000 We have been racist for quite some time.

00:22:45.000 There is white privilege.

00:22:46.000 And it's so hard to even reverse that multi-years of teaching.

00:22:51.000 And then they come across the Woekester pastors and say, hey, in Hosea, it says justice is going to roll like a river.

00:22:58.000 The apostles used to share all their food and all their resources.

00:23:02.000 Jesus would want us to be neo-Marxist.

00:23:05.000 Don't you understand, Vodi, that if Jesus was here, he would basically be AOC.

00:23:13.000 Why is that wrong? 0.93

00:23:15.000 You had to pick that one, huh?

00:23:19.000 Yeah, it really is.

00:23:21.000 And it's just a naive reading of scripture, you know?

00:23:25.000 For example, when you see this death that occurs, where There is a lie told about property that was sold, right?

00:23:44.000 And when the lie is told about the property that is sold, the apostles don't come and say, you had an obligation to sell that property.

00:23:55.000 They come and say, hey, before you sold that, it was yours.

00:23:59.000 You didn't have to do that, right?

00:24:02.000 But the problem is that you came and you lied about what you did.

00:24:07.000 Right.

00:24:08.000 So I think it's a really naive reading of scripture when people look at things like that and say, well, here's what you find.

00:24:18.000 And, you know, they were practicing communism.

00:24:20.000 They were practicing Marxism.

00:24:21.000 They actually weren't.

00:24:23.000 There's much in the scriptures about the respect of private property.

00:24:26.000 It also falls apart.

00:24:28.000 They don't say the second part.

00:24:30.000 Oh, I forgot.

00:24:31.000 I'm playing the liberal.

00:24:32.000 And so, so, so, Vodi, but how a lot of white people have this belief in the overemphasis on their skin color.

00:24:45.000 How could I, as a white person, possibly know the struggles of black people?

00:24:48.000 It's now our opportunity to listen, to empathize, to be an anti-racist.

00:24:53.000 Why is Robin D'Angelo and Ibram X?

00:24:55.000 Kendi and Nicole Hannah Jones, what is so problematic about those three secular gospels coming into the church?

00:25:03.000 Yeah, a couple of things.

00:25:05.000 One, that, you know, all of those people that you named are coming from a perspective that is antithetical to biblical truth.

00:25:13.000 All of those people that you named are really doing applied critical race theory and applied intersectionality.

00:25:21.000 They're the popularized version of these poisonous ideologies.

00:25:27.000 All of those individuals that you named are operating from a premise that says white people, by virtue of their whiteness, are guilty. 0.95

00:25:37.000 Period, full stop into discussion. 0.67

00:25:40.000 And that non-white people, by virtue of their non-whiteness, are oppressed. 1.00

00:25:45.000 Period, full stop into discussion. 1.00

00:25:48.000 When from a biblical perspective, what we see is there is one race.

00:25:54.000 God made us from one man, Adam.

00:25:57.000 He says that in Acts.

00:25:58.000 And we are all part of that one race.

00:26:01.000 And if you want to be technical about it, you can have the race of the first Adam and the race of the last Adam.

00:26:05.000 But that's the most you get, right?

00:26:07.000 In terms of race.

00:26:08.000 There are multiple ethnicities, but there is but one race.

00:26:12.000 So from a biblical perspective, we have to repudiate any ideology that would then divide us all and then say that the essence of who we are can be determined by our melanin count, right? 0.70

00:26:26.000 Again, nothing can be further from the truth.

00:26:29.000 That's not the way we're taught to think in scripture.

00:26:31.000 I think you're getting on to what the actual debate is about.

00:26:34.000 What is true?

00:26:36.000 How do you know something that is true?

00:26:37.000 Is it the root of all of this?

00:26:39.000 Even deeper than Gramsci, deeper than Darrada and Foucault and Marcuse.

00:26:47.000 All underneath them is this idea that you, Vodhi, you can't actually know a straight line from a crooked one.

00:26:54.000 You talk about the need to engage in this idea of objective reality, of transcendent order.

00:27:01.000 That's really what we're debating here, isn't it?

00:27:03.000 And that's one of the other main premises of critical race theory, the idea that truth is not objective, right?

00:27:13.000 That knowledge is not objective.

00:27:16.000 That knowledge is a cultural construct, which goes back to Gramsci and that idea of hegemony. 0.75

00:27:24.000 And so because of that, and this is why Christianity is viewed as one of those hegemonic oppressive powers, right? 0.87

00:27:34.000 Because there's the truth claims that Christianity makes.

00:27:38.000 And so ultimately, the question becomes, how do we know truth? 0.71

00:27:43.000 How do we access truth?

00:27:45.000 And you said something earlier that is important because one of the other principles of critical race theory is that we know truth by elevating the voices of the oppressed, right?

00:27:55.000 That's how we find truth, by listening to those voices, to those narratives and those counter narratives.

00:28:02.000 This is why narrative and story becomes so important.

00:28:05.000 And this is why elevating certain voices becomes so important.

00:28:08.000 So you hear a lot about having a conversation about race.

00:28:12.000 But in critical race theory, the conversation goes like this.

00:28:16.000 You listen to me talk about my oppression that you can't possibly understand and shut up because you're an oppressor who can only be an oppressor.

00:28:24.000 And your only hope is listening to me.

00:28:26.000 So the conversation becomes one-sided.

00:28:30.000 That's not a conversation.

00:28:31.000 No.

00:28:32.000 Sounds like, I don't even want to say an interrogation.

00:28:36.000 It's the opposite of an interrogation.

00:28:38.000 It's completely one-sided.

00:28:39.000 It's a lecture.

00:28:40.000 That's the word I was looking for.

00:28:41.000 That's why you have the PhD.

00:28:43.000 So the book is Fault Lines by Bodhi Bakam.

00:28:47.000 Maybe you're riding in the car and you say, who is the super wise person?

00:28:51.000 No, it's true.

00:28:52.000 And you say, yes, I know.

00:28:53.000 Don't confuse it with the host.

00:28:55.000 Okay.

00:28:55.000 We'll be back tomorrow.

00:28:56.000 The point is that you got to go buy this book because this is happening in your church.

00:29:00.000 Your youth ministers are being propagandized by this on social media.

00:29:04.000 I saw so many pastors over the last year.

00:29:07.000 I could say some names.

00:29:09.000 We're going to be disciplined here at NRB, everybody, but you probably, anyway, that are engaging in this at a very dangerous level.

00:29:16.000 And I don't think they quite understand it, but this book will inform them in more ways than one.

00:29:24.000 Hey, guys, you guys have heard me talk with my friend Kelly Shackelford before.

00:29:29.000 Kelly Shackelford from First Liberty is a good person.

00:29:32.000 Look, we've talked about court packing.

00:29:34.000 It's the tool of left-wing authoritarians.

00:29:36.000 Hugo Chavez packed Venezuela's Supreme Court with his socialist cronies and paved the way for his tyrannical regime.

00:29:42.000 But now Joe Biden and American socialist radicals want to pack our Supreme Court with four new liberal justices.

00:29:49.000 Court packing isn't some policy idea to improve our courts.

00:29:52.000 It's a coup, a coup to take away your constitutional freedoms and turn America into a socialist country. 0.53

00:29:58.000 That's why First Liberty Institute, the largest legal organization in the nation dedicated to defending religious liberty in America, is doing something about it. 0.85

00:30:05.000 First Liberty recently launched SupremeCoup.com.

00:30:09.000 That's supremecou.com to serve as a one-stop shop in the fight against court packing and help patriots like you learn the truth about what's happening in the courts.

00:30:18.000 But more importantly, there's a big take action button so you could do something to stop the Supreme Court coup.

00:30:23.000 So do me a favor, support Kelly Shackelford in this and get involved.

00:30:28.000 If you want to defend our God-given freedoms and stop the left's court packing scheme, head over to supremecu.com slash Kirk.

00:30:35.000 That's supremecoup.com slash Kirk.

00:30:38.000 S-U-P-R-E-M-E-C-O-U-P dot com slash Kirk.

00:30:45.000 What do we do about this?

00:30:46.000 And you say we must take every thought captive.

00:30:48.000 We must confront the lie and hold to the truth.

00:30:51.000 We must listen with discernment and we must correct them.

00:30:54.000 What do you mean?

00:30:55.000 Yeah.

00:30:56.000 Well, in that section, what I do is I take Paul's words in 2 Corinthians chapter 10.

00:31:02.000 And he says that we have to take every thought captive to obey Christ.

00:31:06.000 And we do.

00:31:07.000 And what I want to say to people is none of us would argue that there's no racism.

00:31:14.000 None of us would argue that there's no oppression and no evil or any of this stuff.

00:31:19.000 But what we have to do is we have to think biblically and theologically about those issues.

00:31:25.000 One of the reasons we're falling prey to this stuff is that we don't have a well-developed theology around them.

00:31:30.000 The other thing that Paul talks about, the first half of that, is destroying arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God.

00:31:38.000 We have to identify these things and call them out.

00:31:41.000 And that's one of the things that people are really uncomfortable with.

00:31:45.000 We really don't like the idea of confrontation.

00:31:49.000 We really don't like the idea of saying to another person, you're wrong.

00:31:55.000 But we have to do that because these ideas are ideas that are raised up to oppose Christ.

00:32:03.000 You know, in Titus 1, 9, elders are called upon to have three qualities.

00:32:09.000 Hold firmly to the trustworthy word has taught so that we can, secondly, exhort in sound doctrine.

00:32:16.000 And then thirdly, refute those who contradict it.

00:32:20.000 And we do this because we love the gospel, because we do not want falsehood to go unchecked and unchallenged, because we want people to know Christ as he is and as he has revealed himself and not some faulty version of Christ that's created for itching ears by individuals who are trying to lead us astray.

00:32:43.000 So if someone listening right now has a church where the pastor has gone woke or they have a board that is trying to pass CRT or a school that's doing so, what do they do?

00:32:52.000 Yeah.

00:32:53.000 Well, educate yourself.

00:32:54.000 You know, number one, find out what this is.

00:32:57.000 And then secondly, when you educate yourself, engage in meaningful, informed conversation, discussion, and a necessary debate.

00:33:05.000 I'm convinced that a lot of people who are, you know, going down this road don't really understand what's happening or haven't really been confronted about this.

00:33:17.000 And then the other thing that I would say is don't be afraid to confront this.

00:33:22.000 This is something that needs to be confronted.

00:33:24.000 So don't just immediately run away, right?

00:33:27.000 Educate yourself, inform yourself, engage lovingly, respectfully, but also clearly and unapologetically.

00:33:37.000 And then it may be necessary at times for us to shake the dust off and to move in other directions.

00:33:46.000 You know, when this fault line comes, we don't want to be found on the wrong side of it.

00:33:50.000 And there is a there's a belief that this is overwhelming.

00:33:55.000 Can we win this fight?

00:33:58.000 We can't not win this fight.

00:34:00.000 Christ will protect his bride.

00:34:03.000 Christ will prevail. 0.81

00:34:05.000 The church will overcome.

00:34:08.000 Always, always has, always will.

00:34:11.000 In the end, Christ will bring that justice that we talked about.

00:34:16.000 In the end, Christ will see all of his enemies at his feet.

00:34:21.000 In the end, every sin will be dealt with with the righteousness of God.

00:34:26.000 And in the end, all will be made right.

00:34:30.000 We don't have to worry about that.

00:34:32.000 We have no choice but to act.

00:34:34.000 Amen. 0.87

00:34:34.000 And so you're not here in America for much longer, going back to Zambia. 0.87

00:34:38.000 Yeah.

00:34:39.000 A couple more days.

00:34:40.000 And you're doing this whole tour.

00:34:42.000 Again, it's Fault Lines by Vodi Bockham, for all of you listening on radio.

00:34:46.000 This is just a small taste of the incredible depth that you have gone to in this book.

00:34:52.000 It's not like it's third or fourth printing.

00:34:54.000 Is that right?

00:34:55.000 And it's just continuing.

00:34:57.000 And so my mission to make sure every single Christian hears about you and reads your book.

00:35:01.000 If they still hold to their woke ideology after reading it, then I got nothing but prayer for you.

00:35:07.000 So I just, I do believe in miracles and divine intervention.

00:35:10.000 I guess my attempts didn't work.

00:35:12.000 But I think that when people actually hear what you have to say, the theological backing of it, it's really beautiful.

00:35:18.000 It truly is.

00:35:18.000 So thank you for being a courageous voice.

00:35:20.000 They have no counter to you in any way whatsoever.

00:35:25.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:27.000 Email us your questions freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:29.000 And again, please consider supporting us at charliekirk.com/slash support.

00:35:33.000 God bless you guys.

00:35:34.000 Keep you safe.

00:35:38.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 23, 2021

Countering Critical Race Theory from a Christian Perspective with Voddie Baucham

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