00:00:35.000Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis will be there with Turning Point Action.
00:00:38.000And we'll have Kaylee McEnany, Ted Cruz, Laura Ingram, Josh Holly, Greg Gutfeld, Donald Trump Jr., Kimberly Guilfoyle, Kat Timp, Pete Hegseth, and more at tpusa.com slash SAS.
00:01:17.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:04:27.000And when I got to the Opry, the first thing I said was, I'm thankful to the Opry for letting me sing my brand of country music of faith, family, and freedom.
00:07:19.000And I think a lot of times if you're not afraid to take the triage of your business or of your career, because no matter what's wrong with you, Charlie, when you go to the hospital, you could have your leg dang there falling off.
00:07:28.000That woman's going to check your blood pressure and your temperature.
00:08:20.000And so you have to figure out where you want your time to go.
00:08:23.000And so I think my biggest hurdle right now is figuring out in the midst of everyone calling and how big we're growing and being able to help and being there, really allocating time.
00:15:31.000Well, it's good having like-mindedness.
00:15:33.000When I open my phone to see what you've been able to do in your team, to see what y'all are putting out, the content, asking the questions, be on campus.
00:18:13.000And this book, more than any other book, I think really frames modern American neoliberalism in its proper light, which is a total sham and a con.
00:18:23.000And it shows that a lot of the promises of the Civil Rights Act and the civil rights era actually had the opposite intended effect, that we're talking about race more than ever, that we're more focused on the things that the Civil Rights Act were supposed to fix.
00:18:39.000One of our team members here at Turning Point USA recently read this book and is enthusiastic about talking about it.
00:18:44.000It's Morgan Ziegers, who hosts Freedom Papers with Turning Point USA.
00:18:49.000Morgan, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:19:07.000I had a friend recommend it to me because I am a bit more radical with looking at recent policies over the last handful of decades in the country.
00:19:15.000And after I read it, I said, you want to know who would love this?
00:19:19.000And I told him about it when we were on Freedom Papers together for Turning Point.
00:19:23.000And he said, wait a second, now I have to tell Charlie.
00:19:25.000So it turns out this is quite the book for a lot of young conservatives.
00:19:28.000And not a lot of people talk about it, which is fascinating.
00:19:31.000Charlie, what got me is that a lot of these topics just aren't discussed in high school classes in American classrooms.
00:19:38.000I don't know if you had the same experience, but when I was going to school, a lot of things were just normalized.
00:19:44.000And so trillions of dollars of debt that we were in at a national level, the Department of Education, all of these concepts were just normalized in our minds.
00:19:52.000And it took me kind of re-educating myself over the last few years, and especially thanks to Turning Point, to realize that these are all fairly new concepts.
00:20:00.000Our nation didn't always used to be in this massive level of debt.
00:20:03.000We didn't have to have these struggles of families needing two incomes to get by.
00:20:08.000And then taking care of the children was done by other people, by government services, by other men and women that weren't parents.
00:20:15.000And it really just changed my whole perception on this.
00:20:17.000And I'm just thankful that I found the book.
00:20:45.000And addressing its faults is definitely something where, as I'm reading, you have to read pretty slowly and go sentence by sentence, paragraph by paragraph, to really understand what's being said there.
00:20:55.000It's nothing against the concept that everybody is equal, that everybody deserves basic human rights in America, but it's more so of the structure of the legislation, the structure of the Civil Rights Act.
00:21:08.000It allowed for the mess of litigation that we have in this country where we don't lead with legislating anymore.
00:21:16.000And it allows the liberals to really succeed.
00:21:18.000And so, what really struck me too about this is back then, especially, these woke people, the political correct leaders and activists on campus, they used to get laughed at.
00:21:28.000And people used to say that it was just a quick flash of activism, especially because at the time, Reagan had just won against communism, right?
00:21:36.000And so nobody really understood the threat.
00:21:38.000When in reality, yeah, they got laughed at for a brief moment of time, but structurally, they were going to win.
00:21:44.000What hit me the most about it is just this concept that perhaps conservatism has been failing at a massive level for decades, and we've been framing it as small, tiny victories, when in reality, we have done very little for the country.
00:21:57.000Yeah, and to conserve really the nation that we once had.
00:22:01.000And so, what it talks about, though, is the radical nature of the Civil Rights Act in a way that I've really not seen a modern author go after and do that.
00:22:11.000And it talks, there's one part of the book here where it talks about the origins of affirmative action and political correctness, which is instead of having very pinpointed pieces of legislation that could solve discrimination that existed in the 1960s.
00:22:26.000It created an entire new civil rights regime that hyper-focused on race and did the exact opposite.
00:22:32.000Instead of going about solving the issues that existed in the 50s and 60s, it went about actually almost counterbalancing them with an entire superstructure, a machine that still exists to this day in the Department of Justice, in the EEOC.
00:22:52.000And it's really interesting because it showed that the people actually weren't demanding that in the 1960s.
00:22:57.000They were not demanding a new kind of Washington, D.C. legislative machinery to go about and do that.
00:23:04.000This is all in the chapter of race in the book that is written by Christopher Caldwell, The Age of Entitlement.
00:23:10.000What was your take, Morgan, on this idea of winners and losers?
00:23:15.000Talked a lot about kind of who won over the last 30 or 40 years and who lost.
00:23:26.000And so coming of age and becoming a conservative and going through, you know, college Republicans and going through the fun campus clubs, it's easy to just want to take those basic winning mentality conservative infamous quotes from Reagan and the rest of them and think, no, this is just politics as usual.
00:23:42.000We've had our wins, we've had our losses.
00:23:44.000But when you actually take a big look at it, a lot of it is kind of a farce.
00:23:48.000And so understanding that and realizing that as a movement, we have a lot of internal work to do is definitely something that just changed my whole mentality on it.
00:23:57.000Now, for Turning Point, I'm not sure how many of your listeners know this, but for Freedom Papers at Turning Point, we break down all of the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers.
00:24:05.000And we have your producer Connor Clegg on a lot.
00:24:09.000And we go and we try and understand where did things go wrong?
00:24:12.000Where did this really start to break down?
00:24:14.000And so we can look at from the founding, of course, but then we look at the early 1900s with the New Deal, the great society that came in starting in the 1960s.
00:24:23.000And what I find so interesting is that with this Civil Rights Act, you had the creation of the bureaucratic regulations that were then used to oppress people at the smallest, most intimate levels of their lives.
00:24:35.000And I would say that that's really one of the pinpoint areas for where we lost freedom in this country.
00:24:40.000And it's going to take massive change to look forward, but I am really excited for us because now people are starting to read this book and understand what we're really up against.
00:25:00.000It's actually in the insert of the book.
00:25:02.000A major American intellectual makes the historical case that the reforms of the 1960s were intended to make the nation more just and humane.
00:25:10.000Instead, it left many Americans feeling alienated, despised, and misled and ready to put an adventure in the White House.
00:25:16.000Morgan, I'm sure you've heard many times people on the conservative side talk about free trade and, you know, opening up our markets.
00:25:24.000Caldwell argues, though, that this actually was really bad for the country, that it deindustrialized our base, that it destroyed our manufacturing base.
00:25:34.000Because it really challenged a lot of modern conservative orthodoxy when it came on international trade.
00:25:40.000Yeah, well, we see the rise of that too across the country of more national pride, I would say.
00:25:45.000And people were scared to show that for quite some time, but there's really nothing wrong with being proud to make things in America, to have your companies based in America and to incentivize that.
00:25:56.000And this globalist view, I don't know what really struck me, Charlie, is when they bring up how Buchanan, he was considered too early for his time.
00:26:05.000But he had a supporter that wrote a really powerful quote about how it might not be his time to win right now, but in the future, the movements will have grown.
00:26:13.000The forces that will be existing at that point in the future will be built on the principles he's talking today.
00:26:18.000Because at the time, people didn't realize the threat of globalization.
00:26:47.000They were leading our society with their experience, with their wisdom.
00:26:52.000And then unfortunately, for some reason, things got pretty industrialized, but not in a good way.
00:26:58.000I'm talking about these tiny buildings that I believe Caldwell says they believed were good enough for our children to be educated in.
00:27:05.000But in reality, they were just these tiny brick buildings that were going to be commercialized into military-looking barracks.
00:27:11.000And so when we look back at that and we look at these buildings from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and we look at that last half of the 20th century, a lot of us wonder, why did we start to decay?
00:27:22.000Why did we get the greatest technology?
00:27:23.000Why did we get all the civil rights, all of this empowerment for so many people in this country?
00:27:28.000But at the same time, we started to decline on a domestic level.
00:29:19.000Anti-Americanism has infected the entire Democrat Party.
00:29:23.000It used to be that Democrats would appreciate July 4th and celebrate Independence Day.
00:29:29.000Well, now someone running for the Senate in Wisconsin is just the latest example of the Democrat Party being outwardly and vividly anti-American.
00:29:54.000You know, but we are here now and we should commit ourselves to doing everything we can do to repair the harm because it still exists today.
00:30:05.000Yeah, the founding of the nation was awful, Democrat candidate for the Senate says.
00:30:10.000The Pima County Democrat Party says, F the 4th, see you at Reed Park.
00:30:16.000Orlando, the city government of Orlando, sent out a press release and said that we understand that you might not want to celebrate July 4th, all the racism and division in the country.
00:30:26.000Who would want to celebrate July 4th with all that's happening?
00:30:31.000America itself has now become a contentious political issue.
00:30:36.000Long gone are the days where we can agree the Constitution is the greatest political document ever written, agree that the structure of the Constitution is brilliant and exceptional.
00:30:46.000Gone are the days of appreciating American history and the journey that we've been on and the exceptionalism of our founders.
00:30:55.000All of that is now considered to be controversial and political.
00:31:00.000And that really kind of goes to the political moment that we're in, isn't it?
00:31:04.000Someone asked me what are my politics recently.
00:31:06.000They said, Charlie, how would you describe your politics where you are right now?
00:31:15.000Now, that might sound a little harsh for some people because they say, well, Charlie, what does that mean?
00:31:20.000It means that we're not going to allow them to destroy our country without giving it everything that we have.
00:31:24.000We're not going to sit idly by and lose as a spectator.
00:31:28.000If we're going to lose, we're going to lose in the arena with everything that we got.
00:31:32.000We're going to give every piece of energy, every piece of dedication, every piece of wealth and money and resources.
00:31:39.000Because basically, the way Republicans and conservatives have been fighting over the last 20 and 30 years is it's kind of been a performative act.
00:31:49.000Their fighting is not fighting at all.
00:31:50.000They just hope the country will moderately improve by setting out a press release or doing some sort of a town hall or a rally.
00:31:59.000You see, when we're up against an opposition that says America's founding was awful, up against an opposition that says F the Fourth, up against an opposition that says, why even celebrate the fourth?
00:32:43.000Now, it's not just a matter of winning politically.
00:32:45.000It's a matter of we have to win culturally, educationally, socially, spiritually.
00:32:49.000It means that we must have an offensive, not an offensive, but an offensive mindset in every single way and capacity.
00:32:55.000I was reminded this July 4th that we as conservatives must realize and frame the proper guardrails of what we're up against.
00:33:06.000I know a lot of different conservatives and grassroots patriots listen to this right now.
00:33:11.000It's an uncomfortable truth, but you listen to that Marine, that 100-year-old Marine, where he said, our country is going to hell in a handbasket.
00:33:17.000It's not the country that it once was.
00:33:34.000In fact, I'm creating a series of podcasts.
00:33:37.000I write these podcasts and I sometimes use them, sometimes I don't.
00:33:40.000But that is going to be a speech I'm going to give very soon, which is more destruction will be done in our lifetime when someone says, what difference does it make?
00:33:48.000What difference does it make that you have to call someone a pro-nun that they ask?
00:33:51.000What difference does it make that a 12-year-old gets chemically castrated?
00:33:54.000What difference does it make that the baby in the womb gets terminated?
00:33:57.000What difference does it make that a six-year-old has to get the gene therapy, experimental gene therapy call the vaccine?
00:34:02.000What difference does it make if they take your guns away?
00:34:04.000What difference does it make if 7,000 illegals come across the country, come across the border into our country?
00:34:09.000And the answer is it makes all the difference.