The Charlie Kirk Show - July 06, 2022


Country Music Red Pills and 'The Age of Entitlement' with Coffey Anderson and Morgan Zegers


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Country Music Star Kafei Anderson joins us to talk about his faith and his belief in the Lord. And Morgan Zeegers joins us from Turning Point USA's Freedom Papers to discuss the Age of Entitlement by Christopher Caldwell.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show.
00:00:01.000 I'm joined by a big country music star, Kafei Anderson, who plays a song or two and talks about his faith and his belief in the Lord.
00:00:09.000 And then Morgan Zeegers joins us from Turning Point USA's Freedom Papers to talk about the Age of Entitlement by Christopher Caldwell.
00:00:16.000 And I tell you what my politics are.
00:00:18.000 It's very simple.
00:00:19.000 We need to win.
00:00:20.000 Email me your thoughts as always.
00:00:21.000 Freedom at charliekirk.com and support the Charlie Kirk Show at CharlieKirk.com/slash support.
00:00:27.000 Come join us at the Student Action Summit, tpusa.com/slash SAS.
00:00:31.000 People of all ages are welcome.
00:00:33.000 That's tpusa.com slash SAS.
00:00:35.000 Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis will be there with Turning Point Action.
00:00:38.000 And we'll have Kaylee McEnany, Ted Cruz, Laura Ingram, Josh Holly, Greg Gutfeld, Donald Trump Jr., Kimberly Guilfoyle, Kat Timp, Pete Hegseth, and more at tpusa.com slash SAS.
00:00:48.000 That is tpusa.com slash SAS.
00:00:52.000 Again, email me freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:54.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:55.000 Here we go.
00:00:56.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:58.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:01:00.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:01:03.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:01:06.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:01:07.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:01:08.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
00:01:10.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
00:01:15.000 Turning point USA. 0.65
00:01:17.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:26.000 That's why we are here.
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00:01:38.000 All right.
00:01:40.000 So it's not Kevefe.
00:01:41.000 No, it's not Confifi.
00:01:44.000 Bro, I got so many tweets on that.
00:01:46.000 Anyway.
00:01:46.000 Oh, gosh.
00:01:47.000 You were probably just getting.
00:01:48.000 I was like, really, y'all?
00:01:49.000 Really?
00:01:50.000 I'll take the extra 5,000 subscribers because of that mistake.
00:01:52.000 Perfect.
00:01:53.000 That's so funny.
00:01:54.000 So you're here to convince me to like country music.
00:01:56.000 I mean, I guess there's a couple songs I like.
00:01:59.000 Really?
00:02:00.000 Yeah.
00:02:00.000 Okay.
00:02:00.000 So I was on Facebook.
00:02:02.000 I saw my ex's profile.
00:02:03.000 Every status she had was about her new boyfriend.
00:02:03.000 Okay.
00:02:05.000 Does she live in Texas?
00:02:06.000 She does.
00:02:07.000 Everything she had about her new boyfriend.
00:02:08.000 Do you get the reference?
00:02:10.000 Exes.
00:02:11.000 All my exes live in Texas.
00:02:12.000 I got it.
00:02:13.000 Yeah.
00:02:13.000 I got it.
00:02:13.000 Okay.
00:02:15.000 That's one of my three songs.
00:02:16.000 You're getting better.
00:02:16.000 Getting better.
00:02:17.000 So I wrote this for her.
00:02:19.000 I saw you in Walmart.
00:02:22.000 See, you're grinning already.
00:02:23.000 You were holding his hand.
00:02:27.000 We've only been broken up for about a week and a half, really.
00:02:34.000 I'm not jelly.
00:02:35.000 I'm just telling you.
00:02:38.000 You left before him.
00:02:42.000 Something looked peculiar. 0.98
00:02:45.000 And I was noticing that your new boyfriend is ugly. 0.97
00:02:53.000 And I'm glad that he is. 1.00
00:02:56.000 Why don't y'all go get married and have some ugly kids? 1.00
00:03:02.000 Hey. 1.00
00:03:03.000 Okay.
00:03:04.000 All right.
00:03:05.000 Oh, stop.
00:03:05.000 Not a rise.
00:03:06.000 Let's stop.
00:03:07.000 It's poetry.
00:03:08.000 It is poetry.
00:03:09.000 That was pandering.
00:03:10.000 Okay.
00:03:11.000 What's another one?
00:03:14.000 So tell us about yourself.
00:03:17.000 My name is Kafei Anderson.
00:03:19.000 Grew up in Central Texas.
00:03:20.000 Mama taught school.
00:03:21.000 Daddy worked at a jail.
00:03:23.000 She graduated him.
00:03:24.000 He welcomed him in.
00:03:25.000 And I think music was just a part of our house.
00:03:29.000 It was just a part of our house.
00:03:30.000 My granddad sang gospel music.
00:03:32.000 My mom sang when she wasn't teaching.
00:03:34.000 And it was just something that was there.
00:03:36.000 And it originated in the church.
00:03:38.000 And so gospel music was really big for in my household.
00:03:42.000 And in high school, I sang a little talent show, and I realized that there was a gift there.
00:03:48.000 And I wanted to run with it.
00:03:49.000 Basketball was the sport that I kind of grabbed.
00:03:52.000 Come on, you know, you already know.
00:03:53.000 Big boys.
00:03:54.000 You don't put a book on boots.
00:03:55.000 I'd be your height.
00:03:56.000 No, I'm kidding.
00:03:58.000 I got boots for you.
00:03:58.000 What size you wear?
00:04:00.000 Okay.
00:04:00.000 And I think just being around music, it just kind of stuck.
00:04:06.000 But I think the country music that I make is a blend of faith, family, and freedom.
00:04:12.000 And we don't run from singing about those or defending them at all.
00:04:15.000 I made my Grand Olopry debut two months ago.
00:04:18.000 And the record label that I was with, one of the people that worked there didn't want to take me to radio because I'm conservative.
00:04:26.000 I believe.
00:04:27.000 And when I got to the Opry, the first thing I said was, I'm thankful to the Opry for letting me sing my brand of country music of faith, family, and freedom.
00:04:35.000 And I sing a song called Blessed.
00:04:37.000 And Blessed was written by an Army Ranger who's battling cancer.
00:04:42.000 And it's beyond lucky every single second every day.
00:04:45.000 I think if we have an attitude of gratitude, amazing things happen for you.
00:04:49.000 In the midst of the storm, can you have peace?
00:04:51.000 And I believe you can.
00:04:53.000 So that's what the music has done for me.
00:04:54.000 And I think you just have to be a part of all of it.
00:04:57.000 I think you have to use your talents and your gifts.
00:05:01.000 When the 13 were killed in the bombing by the coward in Kabul, I got on TikTok and offered to sing at the funerals.
00:05:09.000 And I was able to sing at six of those in a week.
00:05:11.000 Wow.
00:05:12.000 And it's a hard thing to watch a mama bury her baby. 0.91
00:05:16.000 But I just felt honored that they would let me sing my song, Mr. Red, White, and Blue, and Amazing Grace.
00:05:22.000 And we have to be a part.
00:05:24.000 You got to be a brother and sister's keeper now, especially with how our country's being ran.
00:05:29.000 We have to take care of each other.
00:05:30.000 Yeah, no kidding.
00:05:31.000 Do you find it more difficult to be outspokenly conservative?
00:05:36.000 I think you have to pick the hills you want to die on.
00:05:39.000 I think boundaries give you freedom.
00:05:41.000 I think people know that we have boundaries.
00:05:43.000 And we have things that we believe between my wife and I and our family.
00:05:46.000 We have a reality show on Netflix and we're pretty out about how we love our family and love the Lord and love our country.
00:05:53.000 And people loved it.
00:05:54.000 I mean, so I think for us, we have to pick and choose what battles we have.
00:06:01.000 I think you could be in it and out of it.
00:06:03.000 I think people kind of know in an early conversation, if we're at dinner and we're meeting with producers, we, hey, let's pray.
00:06:11.000 You know, I just tell them all the time, bless the food, you're going to catch diarrhea.
00:06:15.000 I'm just saying, somebody going to get you.
00:06:17.000 So it's just one of those things.
00:06:19.000 We make it fun to love our country and love the Lord.
00:06:23.000 And so you got into music at an early age.
00:06:27.000 You've become one of the best, you know, most popular people in your industry.
00:06:31.000 There must have been a moment of time where you were underappreciated or not yet noticed.
00:06:36.000 Absolutely.
00:06:37.000 Tell us about that moment, that chapter of your life.
00:06:41.000 I think people really undervalue consistency.
00:06:46.000 I think we're so likes driven.
00:06:49.000 We're so followers-driven.
00:06:50.000 We're so, how many views did we get?
00:06:52.000 It's almost instant.
00:06:54.000 And when you're building something, it takes time when you're honing in your craft, when you're getting good at it.
00:07:00.000 And I think also to take the temperature of my own business and say, if I'm not as popular as I should be, where am I losing?
00:07:08.000 Where can we be better?
00:07:11.000 Is it in our sales pitch when people want to book me?
00:07:13.000 Is it in the quality of music I'm putting out?
00:07:14.000 Is it that the songs that I'm writing aren't catchy enough?
00:07:17.000 You know, what are we doing?
00:07:19.000 And I think a lot of times if you're not afraid to take the triage of your business or of your career, because no matter what's wrong with you, Charlie, when you go to the hospital, you could have your leg dang there falling off.
00:07:28.000 That woman's going to check your blood pressure and your temperature. 1.00
00:07:34.000 You know, she's going to do that. 1.00
00:07:35.000 Can we do that with our own business?
00:07:37.000 We can keep our eyes on the big prize, but can you do that with your marriage, with your friendship, with your business?
00:07:43.000 A lot of times people are afraid to get in the triage.
00:07:45.000 So I wasn't afraid to get in and say, where am I losing?
00:07:48.000 What's your biggest challenge now?
00:07:51.000 I think My biggest challenge is budgeting my time because I think the more money you get, the more you're in time debt.
00:08:03.000 And so, aren't you getting married?
00:08:05.000 I'm already married, yeah.
00:08:05.000 Are you married?
00:08:06.000 Okay.
00:08:07.000 You're learning that.
00:08:09.000 And it's okay to schedule dates to be like, this is our date night and not be as you're going to have to budget time.
00:08:17.000 And I think time debt is real.
00:08:20.000 And so you have to figure out where you want your time to go.
00:08:23.000 And so I think my biggest hurdle right now is figuring out in the midst of everyone calling and how big we're growing and being able to help and being there, really allocating time.
00:08:33.000 I think it's the biggest hurdle.
00:08:35.000 As far as building the career, I think fighting the narrative of mainstream media is tough.
00:08:41.000 Because you can have people try to divide you black versus white.
00:08:45.000 But I was raised by an Air Force veteran, and he fought for three colors.
00:08:48.000 It was red, white, and blue.
00:08:50.000 And I think those colors matter.
00:08:53.000 I think those colors matter more than anything.
00:08:55.000 Do you find it more difficult to be outspoken in that way?
00:08:57.000 Or do you think your life would be easier if you just...
00:09:00.000 Absolutely.
00:09:01.000 Wouldn't your life be easier if we pandered? 0.66
00:09:03.000 Come on.
00:09:04.000 Yeah, my life would probably be easier.
00:09:06.000 Absolutely, but it's not in us.
00:09:07.000 Yeah.
00:09:08.000 You can't make an ego hang with turkeys.
00:09:08.000 It's not.
00:09:11.000 I'll never do it.
00:09:12.000 I'll always fly high.
00:09:13.000 Because come Thanksgiving, they're going to get eaten alive and I won't.
00:09:17.000 We're not for everybody, and that's okay.
00:09:19.000 Neither is Cajun food.
00:09:20.000 Neither is country music.
00:09:21.000 Some people have horrible tastes.
00:09:22.000 I love Cajun food.
00:09:23.000 Okay, now you're.
00:09:25.000 I'm a big hot sauce.
00:09:26.000 You want to try my hot sauce?
00:09:26.000 It's right up there, my own hot sauce.
00:09:28.000 No, it's not.
00:09:29.000 You don't have your own hot sauce.
00:09:30.000 Get it now.
00:09:33.000 Let me.
00:09:33.000 No, I want to taste it.
00:09:34.000 Yeah, of course.
00:09:34.000 Can I open it?
00:09:35.000 Okay, don't be weird.
00:09:37.000 It's good.
00:09:38.000 Took me five years.
00:09:39.000 It took you five years?
00:09:41.000 How many recipes?
00:09:42.000 Oh, at least.
00:09:43.000 So this is Kirk's 19.
00:09:44.000 It took you 18 formulas?
00:09:46.000 Yeah, it's about 60 or 70.
00:09:48.000 Uh-huh.
00:09:48.000 Are you kidding?
00:09:49.000 Five years.
00:09:49.000 I'm not sure.
00:09:49.000 You really do hot sauces.
00:09:52.000 Why don't you have a cooking show? 0.66
00:09:54.000 God.
00:09:55.000 Add that to the list.
00:09:57.000 No cooking?
00:09:57.000 We should do a cooking.
00:09:58.000 Reliability.
00:09:59.000 I'll do one with you.
00:10:00.000 Yeah.
00:10:00.000 Are you kidding me?
00:10:01.000 I'll do one with you.
00:10:02.000 It'd be like emerald.
00:10:03.000 I'll bring papa.
00:10:04.000 Yeah.
00:10:05.000 My dad's from Louisiana.
00:10:06.000 I'll bring Pawpaw.
00:10:07.000 See, when I heard that your dad was from Louisiana, someone said that you're in the screen.
00:10:12.000 He's like, he'd love my hot sauce.
00:10:14.000 Try it up.
00:10:14.000 There you go.
00:10:14.000 All right, hold on.
00:10:17.000 Oh, you did good.
00:10:18.000 Thank you.
00:10:19.000 Are you kidding me?
00:10:19.000 Uh-huh.
00:10:20.000 Man, you better than you look.
00:10:21.000 Thank you.
00:10:22.000 Five years of work.
00:10:23.000 Over.
00:10:24.000 Wow.
00:10:24.000 80 variations finally got to perfection.
00:10:27.000 It's the funniest thing.
00:10:29.000 So I made that for an audience of one, me, because I couldn't find a hot sauce I liked.
00:10:33.000 I sing for an audience of one.
00:10:34.000 There you go.
00:10:35.000 Go get it.
00:10:36.000 And I never thought my hot sauce would be successful.
00:10:38.000 Next thing I know, we have boxes of this stuff that we ship all across the country.
00:10:42.000 Okay, but it's not in the back.
00:10:43.000 It's actually shipping out.
00:10:44.000 Yeah, I mean, we have some in the back if you want.
00:10:46.000 We got crates of it.
00:10:47.000 No, I can't walk on with how many ounces of it.
00:10:50.000 I'll send it to you.
00:10:50.000 Will you?
00:10:51.000 I'll send you a whole sauce.
00:10:51.000 Okay, cool.
00:10:52.000 It's not bad, right?
00:10:53.000 No, it's really good.
00:10:54.000 Thank you.
00:10:54.000 Yeah.
00:10:55.000 Okay.
00:10:56.000 See, people expect it to be bad.
00:10:58.000 Look here.
00:10:59.000 Vanna Brown.
00:11:02.000 Is it Vanna White, though, right?
00:11:04.000 Vanna Brown.
00:11:06.000 I get the rest.
00:11:07.000 Okay.
00:11:07.000 All right.
00:11:07.000 This is our first date.
00:11:08.000 I'm learning.
00:11:09.000 All right. 0.99
00:11:09.000 Shoot. 0.99
00:11:11.000 So you get as much hot sauce as you want.
00:11:15.000 But yeah, the country thing is going to be a harder sell.
00:11:18.000 Bro, everybody doesn't have good taste.
00:11:20.000 You're going to put the hot sauce in your coffee.
00:11:21.000 What do you have there?
00:11:22.000 This is vanilla coffee.
00:11:24.000 I'm married to blonde. 1.00
00:11:24.000 I don't play with nothing else. 1.00
00:11:28.000 See, when I put the hot sauce in my.
00:11:31.000 Oh, son.
00:11:33.000 Come on.
00:11:34.000 It's good.
00:11:36.000 I'm all right.
00:11:40.000 I'm good.
00:11:42.000 First date.
00:11:43.000 We're getting to know each other.
00:11:46.000 Put this away.
00:11:47.000 All right.
00:11:50.000 Yeah.
00:11:51.000 All right.
00:11:51.000 So you got a song?
00:11:52.000 Yeah, I do.
00:11:52.000 All right.
00:11:53.000 You got red, white, and blue.
00:11:54.000 I do.
00:11:55.000 So, Military Warrior Support Foundation, they give homes away.
00:11:59.000 You may have seen them all over the country.
00:12:01.000 Tax-free mortgage free to combat veterans and their families.
00:12:06.000 So, we were given a home away in Abilene, Texas, and I met Sergeant Craig Carp, the U.S. Marines.
00:12:11.000 And he had come back from two tours.
00:12:15.000 And when the anthem played that night, my country music shows extremely patriotic.
00:12:23.000 And when the national anthem played that night, it was a very different look in his eye than everybody else in the room.
00:12:29.000 And he was the only one that came back from his unit alive.
00:12:32.000 Wow.
00:12:33.000 And we're still friends.
00:12:34.000 It's a good man.
00:12:35.000 And so I put my guitar around my shoulder, Charlie, and I walked around the arena.
00:12:41.000 And the song came out.
00:12:42.000 I promise it just downloaded from Heaven to Me.
00:12:44.000 Just boom.
00:12:46.000 And no labels wanted to touch it.
00:12:49.000 So I released it independently.
00:12:51.000 And now we're at 200 million streams.
00:12:53.000 Wow.
00:12:54.000 And I was able to sing this at Chris Kyle's Gravestone Dedication.
00:12:57.000 I sang this at Six of the Funerals.
00:12:58.000 American Sniper, yeah.
00:13:00.000 Yep.
00:13:00.000 At Six of the Funerals of the 13.
00:13:03.000 And so I'm honored to play it for you today, my friend.
00:13:08.000 Thank you.
00:13:08.000 Proud of what you're doing.
00:13:09.000 Thank you.
00:13:10.000 So here's Mr. Red, White, and Blue.
00:13:16.000 It's the guts and it's the glory.
00:13:19.000 A hundred stripes, a hundred stories.
00:13:23.000 It's the pledge of allegiance on the 4th of July.
00:13:28.000 It's some handwritten letters from home.
00:13:31.000 It's some sleepless nights alone.
00:13:35.000 It's his newborn baby he left with his wife.
00:13:39.000 Mr. Red O'White and Blue lay down his life.
00:13:45.000 Mr. Red O'White and Blue.
00:13:48.000 For these stars are shrimps.
00:13:52.000 From the fields of Indiana to the swamps of Louisiana.
00:13:58.000 From good old Texas out to California.
00:14:03.000 Uncle Sam's the only family he's got.
00:14:07.000 His purple heartbeat of all time.
00:14:10.000 And his 18th birthday was the day he was born.
00:14:14.000 Mr. Red O'White and Blue lay down his life.
00:14:20.000 Mr. Red O'White and Blue.
00:14:23.000 For these stars are stripes.
00:14:28.000 Was the man of the house when he was born.
00:14:31.000 His family is proud, but they're torn.
00:14:34.000 If you knew him, you would understand.
00:14:39.000 We were raised on how to be brave just to see our flag still wave.
00:14:45.000 But then he came home with only one hand.
00:14:48.000 He's Mr. Red O'White and Blue Lay down his life.
00:14:57.000 For these stars are shrimps.
00:15:01.000 Red O'White and Blue.
00:15:03.000 He'll stand on the front line.
00:15:09.000 He'll pay the ultimate price.
00:15:12.000 Mr. Red O'White and Blue.
00:15:20.000 Please the audience of one, that's for sure.
00:15:22.000 It's awesome.
00:15:23.000 Thank you, man.
00:15:24.000 Well, God bless you.
00:15:24.000 Thanks for your courage.
00:15:26.000 I appreciate it.
00:15:27.000 It would be easy to conform.
00:15:29.000 So we appreciate that.
00:15:31.000 Well, it's good having like-mindedness.
00:15:33.000 When I open my phone to see what you've been able to do in your team, to see what y'all are putting out, the content, asking the questions, be on campus.
00:15:41.000 You're literally in the mud.
00:15:43.000 You're literally in the dirt of it.
00:15:46.000 And, you know, the Bible talks about us being Shepard.
00:15:49.000 Shepherd is a nasty job.
00:15:51.000 And so is Lee. 0.97
00:15:51.000 I'm going to be somebody something. 0.97
00:15:52.000 Yeah, sometimes.
00:15:55.000 Sometimes you got to get in and help them share, get them clean.
00:15:58.000 That's right.
00:15:58.000 Thank you for what you're doing, brother.
00:15:59.000 Thank you.
00:16:00.000 I just want you to know that you have a lot of people that want you to continue to be outspoken.
00:16:06.000 The record labels and all this, they're all weak.
00:16:08.000 They can have it.
00:16:08.000 Yeah.
00:16:09.000 I got out of my deal yesterday.
00:16:11.000 Well, yeah, we amicably said, you go your way, I'll go mine.
00:16:15.000 I think we the people is enough.
00:16:16.000 You'll be more fruitful this way.
00:16:17.000 I agree.
00:16:18.000 Yeah.
00:16:18.000 God bless you, man.
00:16:19.000 You too, my friend.
00:16:20.000 Thanks.
00:16:20.000 Nice to meet you.
00:16:21.000 Thanks.
00:16:23.000 We're blessed to live in the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.
00:16:27.000 Luke 12, 48 says, quote, to whom much has been given, much will be required.
00:16:32.000 We as Christians can shape our world.
00:16:34.000 One of these ways is how we steward our finances and our money.
00:16:37.000 If you have money and stocks, you have the power to affect change through your investments.
00:16:41.000 Jesus spoke about money and roughly 15% of his teachings and 11 out of 39 of his parables.
00:16:47.000 How do we follow his teachings about money?
00:16:49.000 Well, my friends at PAX Financial can help.
00:16:51.000 I've opened an account with them.
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00:17:35.000 So there's a book that I read last summer.
00:17:38.000 I spent a whole week at the Claremont Institute.
00:17:40.000 And this is the book that I encourage everybody to read if you want to really understand what we are living through.
00:17:47.000 It's called The Age of Entitlement by Christopher Caldwell.
00:17:50.000 I've mentioned this book many times on this program.
00:17:52.000 It's a relatively easy read.
00:17:54.000 And what makes this book so incredibly persuasive is that it really doesn't make arguments on the surface.
00:18:03.000 You have to kind of decipher between because it's kind of written in a historical context.
00:18:06.000 Here's what happened.
00:18:07.000 Here's what we got from it.
00:18:08.000 Here's what happened.
00:18:09.000 Here's what we got from it.
00:18:10.000 Here's what happened.
00:18:11.000 Here's what we got from it.
00:18:13.000 And this book, more than any other book, I think really frames modern American neoliberalism in its proper light, which is a total sham and a con.
00:18:23.000 And it shows that a lot of the promises of the Civil Rights Act and the civil rights era actually had the opposite intended effect, that we're talking about race more than ever, that we're more focused on the things that the Civil Rights Act were supposed to fix.
00:18:39.000 One of our team members here at Turning Point USA recently read this book and is enthusiastic about talking about it.
00:18:44.000 It's Morgan Ziegers, who hosts Freedom Papers with Turning Point USA.
00:18:49.000 Morgan, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:18:51.000 Thanks for having me, Charlie.
00:18:52.000 I'm really excited.
00:18:53.000 I loved the book.
00:18:54.000 So walk us through what your take was on the book, Age of Entitlement by Christopher Caldwell.
00:19:00.000 For me, I found it to be illuminating and eye-opening.
00:19:03.000 What was your take?
00:19:05.000 I could say the same.
00:19:06.000 Now, it's kind of funny.
00:19:07.000 I had a friend recommend it to me because I am a bit more radical with looking at recent policies over the last handful of decades in the country.
00:19:15.000 And after I read it, I said, you want to know who would love this?
00:19:17.000 Connor Clegg.
00:19:18.000 And I was going to gift it to him.
00:19:19.000 And I told him about it when we were on Freedom Papers together for Turning Point.
00:19:23.000 And he said, wait a second, now I have to tell Charlie.
00:19:25.000 So it turns out this is quite the book for a lot of young conservatives.
00:19:28.000 And not a lot of people talk about it, which is fascinating.
00:19:31.000 Charlie, what got me is that a lot of these topics just aren't discussed in high school classes in American classrooms.
00:19:38.000 I don't know if you had the same experience, but when I was going to school, a lot of things were just normalized.
00:19:44.000 And so trillions of dollars of debt that we were in at a national level, the Department of Education, all of these concepts were just normalized in our minds.
00:19:52.000 And it took me kind of re-educating myself over the last few years, and especially thanks to Turning Point, to realize that these are all fairly new concepts.
00:20:00.000 Our nation didn't always used to be in this massive level of debt.
00:20:03.000 We didn't have to have these struggles of families needing two incomes to get by.
00:20:08.000 And then taking care of the children was done by other people, by government services, by other men and women that weren't parents.
00:20:15.000 And it really just changed my whole perception on this.
00:20:17.000 And I'm just thankful that I found the book.
00:20:18.000 So I tell everybody to read it.
00:20:20.000 Yeah.
00:20:20.000 So, what was your takeaway of its criticism or its take on the Civil Rights Act, which is kind of a sacred cow.
00:20:27.000 You're not ever allowed to criticize it.
00:20:29.000 Now, I think the Civil Rights Act solved some great things.
00:20:32.000 I thought it went about to solve things, but it talked about it in rather vivid terms.
00:20:38.000 What was your take on that?
00:20:41.000 Yeah, I mean, you kind of put it nicely there.
00:20:43.000 It's a hard topic to talk about.
00:20:45.000 And addressing its faults is definitely something where, as I'm reading, you have to read pretty slowly and go sentence by sentence, paragraph by paragraph, to really understand what's being said there.
00:20:55.000 It's nothing against the concept that everybody is equal, that everybody deserves basic human rights in America, but it's more so of the structure of the legislation, the structure of the Civil Rights Act.
00:21:08.000 It allowed for the mess of litigation that we have in this country where we don't lead with legislating anymore.
00:21:15.000 We lead with litigation.
00:21:16.000 And it allows the liberals to really succeed.
00:21:18.000 And so, what really struck me too about this is back then, especially, these woke people, the political correct leaders and activists on campus, they used to get laughed at.
00:21:28.000 And people used to say that it was just a quick flash of activism, especially because at the time, Reagan had just won against communism, right?
00:21:35.000 We just speak communism.
00:21:36.000 And so nobody really understood the threat.
00:21:38.000 When in reality, yeah, they got laughed at for a brief moment of time, but structurally, they were going to win.
00:21:44.000 What hit me the most about it is just this concept that perhaps conservatism has been failing at a massive level for decades, and we've been framing it as small, tiny victories, when in reality, we have done very little for the country.
00:21:57.000 Yeah, and to conserve really the nation that we once had.
00:22:01.000 And so, what it talks about, though, is the radical nature of the Civil Rights Act in a way that I've really not seen a modern author go after and do that.
00:22:11.000 And it talks, there's one part of the book here where it talks about the origins of affirmative action and political correctness, which is instead of having very pinpointed pieces of legislation that could solve discrimination that existed in the 1960s.
00:22:25.000 No one's debating that.
00:22:26.000 It created an entire new civil rights regime that hyper-focused on race and did the exact opposite. 0.99
00:22:32.000 Instead of going about solving the issues that existed in the 50s and 60s, it went about actually almost counterbalancing them with an entire superstructure, a machine that still exists to this day in the Department of Justice, in the EEOC.
00:22:52.000 And it's really interesting because it showed that the people actually weren't demanding that in the 1960s.
00:22:57.000 They were not demanding a new kind of Washington, D.C. legislative machinery to go about and do that.
00:23:04.000 This is all in the chapter of race in the book that is written by Christopher Caldwell, The Age of Entitlement.
00:23:10.000 What was your take, Morgan, on this idea of winners and losers?
00:23:15.000 Talked a lot about kind of who won over the last 30 or 40 years and who lost.
00:23:19.000 What was your take on that?
00:23:22.000 Well, I would say perhaps you feel the same way, Charlie.
00:23:25.000 I'm 25.
00:23:26.000 And so coming of age and becoming a conservative and going through, you know, college Republicans and going through the fun campus clubs, it's easy to just want to take those basic winning mentality conservative infamous quotes from Reagan and the rest of them and think, no, this is just politics as usual.
00:23:42.000 We've had our wins, we've had our losses.
00:23:44.000 But when you actually take a big look at it, a lot of it is kind of a farce.
00:23:48.000 And so understanding that and realizing that as a movement, we have a lot of internal work to do is definitely something that just changed my whole mentality on it.
00:23:57.000 Now, for Turning Point, I'm not sure how many of your listeners know this, but for Freedom Papers at Turning Point, we break down all of the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers.
00:24:05.000 And we have your producer Connor Clegg on a lot.
00:24:07.000 He's my guest host.
00:24:09.000 And we go and we try and understand where did things go wrong?
00:24:12.000 Where did this really start to break down?
00:24:14.000 And so we can look at from the founding, of course, but then we look at the early 1900s with the New Deal, the great society that came in starting in the 1960s.
00:24:23.000 And what I find so interesting is that with this Civil Rights Act, you had the creation of the bureaucratic regulations that were then used to oppress people at the smallest, most intimate levels of their lives.
00:24:35.000 And I would say that that's really one of the pinpoint areas for where we lost freedom in this country.
00:24:40.000 And it's going to take massive change to look forward, but I am really excited for us because now people are starting to read this book and understand what we're really up against.
00:24:47.000 Yeah.
00:24:48.000 And it's actually, we're focusing on race more, not less.
00:24:53.000 And this is just, again, it's kind of a thought crime to ever say that anything in the 1960s wasn't beautiful or amazing.
00:24:59.000 This is one of my favorite.
00:25:00.000 It's actually in the insert of the book.
00:25:02.000 A major American intellectual makes the historical case that the reforms of the 1960s were intended to make the nation more just and humane.
00:25:10.000 Instead, it left many Americans feeling alienated, despised, and misled and ready to put an adventure in the White House.
00:25:16.000 Morgan, I'm sure you've heard many times people on the conservative side talk about free trade and, you know, opening up our markets.
00:25:24.000 Caldwell argues, though, that this actually was really bad for the country, that it deindustrialized our base, that it destroyed our manufacturing base.
00:25:32.000 What was your take on that?
00:25:34.000 Because it really challenged a lot of modern conservative orthodoxy when it came on international trade.
00:25:40.000 Yeah, well, we see the rise of that too across the country of more national pride, I would say.
00:25:45.000 And people were scared to show that for quite some time, but there's really nothing wrong with being proud to make things in America, to have your companies based in America and to incentivize that.
00:25:56.000 And this globalist view, I don't know what really struck me, Charlie, is when they bring up how Buchanan, he was considered too early for his time.
00:26:05.000 But he had a supporter that wrote a really powerful quote about how it might not be his time to win right now, but in the future, the movements will have grown.
00:26:13.000 The forces that will be existing at that point in the future will be built on the principles he's talking today.
00:26:18.000 Because at the time, people didn't realize the threat of globalization.
00:26:22.000 And now we are rising.
00:26:23.000 And I would say that we are the forces.
00:26:24.000 We are the people that are going to be bringing us together and fighting back for a greater cause.
00:26:29.000 And that's preserving American pride at that national level.
00:26:33.000 So I'm very excited about it.
00:26:34.000 What also got me was that concept of the military guys from the greatest generation.
00:26:39.000 They come back from World War II.
00:26:40.000 At that time, everybody respected that generation of veterans.
00:26:44.000 They became top leaders in Congress.
00:26:46.000 They were top leaders in business.
00:26:47.000 They were leading our society with their experience, with their wisdom.
00:26:52.000 And then unfortunately, for some reason, things got pretty industrialized, but not in a good way.
00:26:58.000 I'm talking about these tiny buildings that I believe Caldwell says they believed were good enough for our children to be educated in.
00:27:05.000 But in reality, they were just these tiny brick buildings that were going to be commercialized into military-looking barracks.
00:27:11.000 And so when we look back at that and we look at these buildings from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and we look at that last half of the 20th century, a lot of us wonder, why did we start to decay?
00:27:22.000 Why did we get the greatest technology?
00:27:23.000 Why did we get all the civil rights, all of this empowerment for so many people in this country?
00:27:28.000 But at the same time, we started to decline on a domestic level.
00:27:31.000 Where did that take place?
00:27:32.000 So it's just really fascinating.
00:27:34.000 It's a lot of topics to try and break down, but all of it really blew my mind.
00:27:38.000 Well, great.
00:27:38.000 Morgan, thank you for joining us.
00:27:40.000 The book is Age of Entitlement by Christopher Caldwell, America Since the 60s.
00:27:43.000 This right here is a red pill as a book.
00:27:46.000 take this book, you'll be red-pilled.
00:27:48.000 We'll see you at SAS Morgan.
00:27:49.000 Thank you so much.
00:27:50.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:27:51.000 Thank you.
00:27:52.000 Everybody, email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:27:54.000 I'm going to play a piece of tape here.
00:27:56.000 It is of a 100-year-old Marine who is crying about his country.
00:28:04.000 Play cut 15.
00:28:06.000 I am so upset that the things we did and the things we fought for and the boys that died for it.
00:28:15.000 It's all gone down the drain.
00:28:18.000 Our country's gone to hell.
00:28:20.000 We haven't got the country we had when I was brave.
00:28:24.000 Not at all.
00:28:25.000 Nobody will have the fun I had.
00:28:27.000 Nobody will have the opportunity I had.
00:28:31.000 It's just not the same.
00:28:34.000 That's not what our boys, that's not what they died for.
00:28:45.000 Just not it.
00:28:48.000 You could just hear a college liberal saying, actually, you're a bigot and you fought a colonialist imperialist war.
00:28:55.000 And you could just hear the arrogance of the college academic elite dismissing everything he just said. 0.59
00:29:03.000 It's a hundred-year-old Marines saying, the country is going to hell in a handbasket.
00:29:06.000 Boy, you could say that again.
00:29:08.000 This is not the country that I once knew or that I fought for.
00:29:11.000 But we can make it great again.
00:29:12.000 We still have the memory of a great country, but it's going to require an honest assessment and take of where we are right now.
00:29:18.000 That's for sure.
00:29:19.000 Anti-Americanism has infected the entire Democrat Party.
00:29:23.000 It used to be that Democrats would appreciate July 4th and celebrate Independence Day.
00:29:29.000 Well, now someone running for the Senate in Wisconsin is just the latest example of the Democrat Party being outwardly and vividly anti-American.
00:29:38.000 Play cut 4.
00:29:40.000 Imagine being so ashamed of how we got to this place in America that you outlaw teaching it.
00:29:47.000 You know, and things were bad.
00:29:50.000 Things were terrible.
00:29:51.000 The founding of this nation, awful.
00:29:54.000 You know, but we are here now and we should commit ourselves to doing everything we can do to repair the harm because it still exists today.
00:30:05.000 Yeah, the founding of the nation was awful, Democrat candidate for the Senate says.
00:30:10.000 The Pima County Democrat Party says, F the 4th, see you at Reed Park.
00:30:16.000 Orlando, the city government of Orlando, sent out a press release and said that we understand that you might not want to celebrate July 4th, all the racism and division in the country.
00:30:26.000 Who would want to celebrate July 4th with all that's happening?
00:30:31.000 America itself has now become a contentious political issue.
00:30:36.000 Long gone are the days where we can agree the Constitution is the greatest political document ever written, agree that the structure of the Constitution is brilliant and exceptional.
00:30:46.000 Gone are the days of appreciating American history and the journey that we've been on and the exceptionalism of our founders.
00:30:55.000 All of that is now considered to be controversial and political.
00:31:00.000 And that really kind of goes to the political moment that we're in, isn't it?
00:31:04.000 Someone asked me what are my politics recently.
00:31:06.000 They said, Charlie, how would you describe your politics where you are right now?
00:31:09.000 I said, it's very simple.
00:31:11.000 We win and they lose.
00:31:13.000 That's my politics.
00:31:15.000 Now, that might sound a little harsh for some people because they say, well, Charlie, what does that mean?
00:31:20.000 It means that we're not going to allow them to destroy our country without giving it everything that we have. 0.88
00:31:24.000 We're not going to sit idly by and lose as a spectator.
00:31:28.000 If we're going to lose, we're going to lose in the arena with everything that we got.
00:31:32.000 We're going to give every piece of energy, every piece of dedication, every piece of wealth and money and resources.
00:31:39.000 Because basically, the way Republicans and conservatives have been fighting over the last 20 and 30 years is it's kind of been a performative act.
00:31:49.000 Their fighting is not fighting at all.
00:31:50.000 They just hope the country will moderately improve by setting out a press release or doing some sort of a town hall or a rally.
00:31:59.000 You see, when we're up against an opposition that says America's founding was awful, up against an opposition that says F the Fourth, up against an opposition that says, why even celebrate the fourth?
00:32:08.000 Why does that matter?
00:32:09.000 Is that something you can bargain with or negotiate with?
00:32:12.000 People say we need to find common ground.
00:32:14.000 What's the common ground between F the Fourth and I love the fourth?
00:32:17.000 What exactly is the arithmetic mean between that?
00:32:20.000 There is none.
00:32:22.000 And so an uncomfortable piece of truth that most conservatives do not want to admit is that there will be only one winner out of this.
00:32:31.000 Here are the expected outcomes.
00:32:33.000 A free society of which everyone leaves each other alone.
00:32:36.000 I would love that.
00:32:37.000 Not going to happen anytime soon.
00:32:39.000 Or we win or they win.
00:32:41.000 It's that simple.
00:32:42.000 And currently they are winning.
00:32:43.000 Now, it's not just a matter of winning politically.
00:32:45.000 It's a matter of we have to win culturally, educationally, socially, spiritually.
00:32:49.000 It means that we must have an offensive, not an offensive, but an offensive mindset in every single way and capacity.
00:32:55.000 I was reminded this July 4th that we as conservatives must realize and frame the proper guardrails of what we're up against.
00:33:06.000 I know a lot of different conservatives and grassroots patriots listen to this right now.
00:33:11.000 It's an uncomfortable truth, but you listen to that Marine, that 100-year-old Marine, where he said, our country is going to hell in a handbasket.
00:33:17.000 It's not the country that it once was.
00:33:21.000 Why?
00:33:23.000 Well, I think it's because conservatives were okay with losing because they thought that what we had was not able to be lost.
00:33:29.000 Oh, it doesn't matter.
00:33:31.000 What difference does it make?
00:33:34.000 In fact, I'm creating a series of podcasts.
00:33:37.000 I write these podcasts and I sometimes use them, sometimes I don't.
00:33:40.000 But that is going to be a speech I'm going to give very soon, which is more destruction will be done in our lifetime when someone says, what difference does it make?
00:33:48.000 What difference does it make that you have to call someone a pro-nun that they ask?
00:33:51.000 What difference does it make that a 12-year-old gets chemically castrated?
00:33:54.000 What difference does it make that the baby in the womb gets terminated?
00:33:57.000 What difference does it make that a six-year-old has to get the gene therapy, experimental gene therapy call the vaccine?
00:34:02.000 What difference does it make if they take your guns away?
00:34:04.000 What difference does it make if 7,000 illegals come across the country, come across the border into our country? 0.98
00:34:09.000 And the answer is it makes all the difference.
00:34:11.000 The small things are the big things.
00:34:13.000 More destruction will be done to our way of life when people say what difference does it make.
00:34:17.000 So I'll present those three options.
00:34:19.000 Free society, not going to happen anytime soon, unfortunately.
00:34:22.000 We win or they win.
00:34:24.000 My politics is us winning and them losing.
00:34:29.000 Thank you so much for listening to everybody.
00:34:31.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:34:33.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:34:35.000 God bless.
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