In this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk is joined by Beth Stuckey, Allie, Beth and Mikey to discuss the importance of being courageous and standing up for what you believe in.
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00:01:09.000All right, without further ado, we are going to welcome up one of my favorite people, one of Charlie's favorite people.
00:01:49.000You've had a courageous last couple months, I would say, your whole career, certainly, but you have been a voice of truth, reason, facts, and you've taken the slings and arrows.
00:02:02.000So whatever in that intro that you want to get into, the floor is yours.
00:02:07.000You've been a model of courage, though, for so many.
00:02:11.000And courage is contagious, and courage begats courage.
00:02:14.000And I think a lot of us fancied ourselves as brave before Charlie died.
00:02:18.000But then something was just triggered in all of us in a really good way after we saw that.
00:02:25.000And any care that we had about what the world thought of us or really what anyone thought of us, it just fell to the wayside.
00:02:31.000I know that I felt like that, but even like my nieces and nephews and people I know in my life who weren't political before and maybe they weren't really digging into their Bible.
00:02:42.000They certainly weren't evangelizing, that has changed.
00:02:45.000And I just like want to remind everyone, I know there's been a lot of noise, a lot of disagreement, and it can feel very demoralizing.
00:02:52.000Like, is the revival that we thought was going to happen?
00:02:56.000It can feel like that until you talk to the everyday person.
00:03:00.000And the conversations that I have with people that I work with are my friends or people that I know that I didn't know were interested in Christianity.
00:03:09.000They're like, yeah, I'm going to church now.
00:03:27.000I want to encourage everybody that maybe is asking those same questions.
00:03:30.000I've had the exact same experience that, you know, and I think it reflects now in the polling and still church attendance is still surging.
00:03:55.000You can try and throw sticks and stones in its tracks, but it's just going to roll right over them.
00:04:00.000And so, God's doing a great work here.
00:04:02.000And I think we need to have faith and let the process play out too, by the way, with the political commentators and the noise and the debates.
00:04:19.000Yeah, I also think it's really exciting, though.
00:04:22.000And I keep saying this over and over again, but because I mean it, and it's so powerful that Charlie literally got murdered for speaking truth and using his free speech.
00:04:32.000Free speech that oftentimes the left hated and then killed him for.
00:04:38.000And you would think that when somebody is murdered for using their free speech, it would make others kind of pause and say, Maybe I don't want to do that because I too could get killed.
00:04:46.000But like here at Amfest, it's been so encouraging for me and for all of us to see record-breaking numbers of how many people are here for the first time, 80% of which this is their first TPSA event ever.
00:04:58.000But then these students that are like fired up and it's like the me next in mentality, like I'll be the next one.
00:05:09.000And like when you see that, it fires you up for truth.
00:05:14.000And I think that the enemy wants us to think that the revival was hijacked or over, but in reality, it's playing out in different ways that we don't even see behind the scenes.
00:05:26.000I mean, last week, Andrew, we were like down bad.
00:05:57.000Charlie would always say, today's been a long week, you know?
00:06:02.000But anyways, so, but then when I got here and instantly felt, it was kind of like when we were at the memorial and you step in there and it was just like, boom, you can just feel it.
00:06:24.000And I believe that the reach and the ripple effects of Charlie's martyrdom and the assassination are so far-reaching and so unquantifiable that we're really on this side of eternity never really going to understand the reach and the impact that Charlie has really had.
00:06:43.000And by the way, people like you stepping into that shadow, which is my next question, stepping out, but from behind that shadow, I should say.
00:08:12.000My dad, I talk to him every day and he's a wealth of wisdom for me.
00:08:17.000But he said, you know, when all of this clears and like the emotions kind of settle down, you do have to ask yourself, what would Charlie say to you?
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00:10:15.000Well, and, you know, it's funny because a lot of people have their Charlie-isms, you know, like Steve Dace's go Max, you know, or go hard.
00:10:30.000I mean, this, I think this is like a hard for some people to probably hear, but like the night that Charlie was assassinated, there was a few of us in the hotel in Salt Lake City and we're sitting there, you know, stunned silence.
00:10:42.000And somebody just kind of had to like break the silence because, you know, what do you say in this moment?
00:10:47.000And somebody's like, you know, Charlie would be really upset that we're not streaming right now.
00:10:56.000I mean, you know, obviously that wasn't the expectation and it was a joke, but it was a, it was a kind of a hat tip to the way Charlie was wired and the way Charlie was wired.
00:11:14.000And so when we ended up doing this stream on Friday that I guess got seen over 35 million times or something insane, we knew we had to do that because it had to be us that honored Charlie, that like spoke up for him in that moment.
00:14:17.000And she was like, it's like Thanksgiving dinner with the family members.
00:14:21.000You know, like you're working out the family business.
00:14:25.000But I do want to kind of talk about, Tucker said in his speech, he said, if my brother goes on a drug-related murder spree, I will not denounce him.
00:14:33.000And that, I was like thinking about that all night last night.
00:14:37.000And then again this morning, because I love my family and I'm super close with my family.
00:14:43.000But then I'm also very invested in my morality and my values.
00:14:48.000And I was like, oh, Allie Suckey's coming.
00:14:51.000I'll just ask her what she thinks about it.
00:14:53.000Would you denounce me if I went on a drug-related murder spree?
00:15:23.000Like you, you would still love them and want what's best for them and all of that.
00:15:28.000But you also want justice and you want truth just because we, you know, we subscribe to something that is higher than interpersonal loyalty.
00:15:38.000And that is loyalty to the word of God, even when it's really difficult.
00:15:57.000You know, people are asking questions.
00:15:58.000So, so, but when we, when we, when we, when we talk about these disagreements within the movement, though, let's, let's keep them more within, okay, not murder, but with, you know, foreign policy, disagreements about Israel, disagreements about H-1Bs, disagreements about all of those things, healthcare.
00:16:18.000What do you, how do you navigate these issues?
00:16:22.000You know, Charlie was a big proponent of something he, you know, that we call prudence.
00:16:27.000And so how do you prudently choose to navigate the most contentious issues of the conservative movement of our day?
00:16:37.000You know, I don't really talk that much about foreign policy, but if you listen to some of my critics, I am like the biggest Israel stan out there.
00:16:45.000Like it really doesn't matter what you say sometimes to some of these critics.
00:16:49.000They will say that, you know, they'll just put, they'll project what they think about you onto you no matter what you say.
00:16:59.000And I'm sure that Charlie was really good at that, of ignoring the people that are going to say what they're going to say, no matter what the truth is.
00:17:05.000And my only question is, what is true?
00:18:11.000And we talked about this concept of pastors thinking that they're nicer than God, just believing that they know better than God, that they're wiser than God, that they're more compassionate than God.
00:18:23.000And he was like, that has to be the title of your next book.
00:18:27.000That needs to be the title, which is probably true.
00:18:30.000But the truth is, is that the most loving thing that we can do in all things is agree with God.
00:18:35.000And if I can find a way to agree with God when it comes to my politics or my cultural views, certainly my theology, then I'm going to do that as loudly as I can and try to help other people do that too.
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00:19:48.000But when it comes to the politics of it all, and I know that you tend to be faith-forward politics downstream of your faith, which is, I think, the proper order.
00:19:57.000But when we're talking about the politics of it all, the coalition building of it all, the Trump and JD Vance of it all, does this sort of fight that we're seeing play out in a public way, this family business, because it's different, right?
00:20:08.000We all know that, like, you know, transing kids is bad, right?
00:20:11.000We all know that, like, these ones are the easy ones.
00:20:13.000It gets harder when it's when you're sort of so-called shooting inside the tent.
00:20:32.000It's hard to say exactly what my rule is in wading into these conflicts.
00:20:37.000So, we can just say, like, when it comes to the Ben and Megan disagreement, like, I'm not probably going to wade in and say, well, like, I'm on this side, I'm on this side.
00:20:48.000Both of these people are my friends, and I don't see something within that disagreement that I'm like, Allie Stuckey has to speak up on that, or else she's a coward.
00:20:56.000Now, I might if it comes to that or if things evolve, but when it came to this is members only, right?
00:21:01.000Like, when it came to the Candace thing, um, I, you know, put that off for a while for a lot of different reasons.
00:21:08.000I didn't want to say anything, but then she started talking about Mikey, and that really bothered me.
00:21:12.000But then she also started speaking about things that I had personal knowledge about, like how turning point events work and things like that.
00:21:18.000And I felt an obligation to my audience who was constantly asking me, What do you think about this?
00:21:23.000A lot of them watch her and love her, of course.
00:21:26.000But they're like, What do you think about this?
00:21:28.000Well, can you give me some clarity on this?
00:21:30.000And I've always said clarity is kindness.
00:21:32.000And if I am purposely not offering clarity where I know my audience needs it, then I am probably being cowardly, which is why I ended up trying to speak up about that.
00:22:04.000Yeah, and I think it's an instance where, you know, I said this to somebody just moments ago that what I actually think is happening in the movement is two parallel tracks.
00:22:15.000I think there's an ideological debate that's unfolding, but I also think it's, you know, you have to understand how we got to this moment where we had media that was contained for so long in this country inside the legacy box, right?
00:22:29.000You know, we had CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and then eventually Fox, and that was kind of it, right?
00:22:50.000The Washington Post has to publish its editorial controls and the standards and ethics that it's going to, well, you know, it's going to abide by, right?
00:23:00.000And same with New York Times, same with Fox News.
00:23:03.000In the world of online content creation, there are no standards or ethics.
00:23:06.000And you've seen sort of the platforms try and impose those.
00:23:08.000There was massive backlash against censorship, against hate speech, whatever that is.
00:23:13.000And so what you're actually having is this debate is raging because there's not an agreement about how to responsibly create content online, especially when your platforms become huge, right?
00:23:25.000And there's certain people that think you need to apply certain standards and ethics to facts and innuendo.
00:23:30.000And there's certain people that think, well, we're, you know, it's all kind of free game.
00:23:33.000So that I think is actually the thing that needs to settle.
00:23:36.000That is the sifting that is also happening underneath what you think is this debate against he said, she said, or I'm friends with this person.
00:24:26.000I would just also add: I mean, under the Biden administration, we kind of unified under, you know, if you would trip, you know, we would all go on social media and talk about it at length.
00:24:37.000But I think now we've kind of been broken into like three factions: you have the administration who's really focused on just everything they're doing in the government, foreign policy, and everybody who's really hyper-analyzing that.
00:24:50.000And then you have the greater populist movement on the right who's still debating these ideas.
00:24:56.000And then you have to also remember that the audience who likes to ask questions is these are people like even me, you know, who came out of California during the COVID lockdowns.
00:25:08.000My dad was going to be arrested for opening his church.
00:25:11.000These people have been lied to about the election.
00:25:39.000The hope is that when we get to 2026 and especially in 2028, a lot of these infighting hopefully will fade away because we're going to be having to defeat AOC nominee or Jasmine Crockett.
00:27:07.000There's not a lot of courage in being complacent and going with the flow.
00:27:11.000But all of us in this room have decided that going with the flow got us to a really bad place and swimming upstream can be hard.
00:27:17.000So pray for courage, not only for us, but for people like you too, because we have a job to say the things that we say and do the things that we do that are considered controversial.
00:27:28.000You could lose your job for doing that.
00:27:30.000So really, my respect goes to you for the sacrifices you make for the truth.
00:27:46.000And I just want you to kind of elaborate more on how we don't have a common enemy when Charlie Kirk was shot by a leftist, trans-loving person.
00:27:55.000Like, how is that not a common enemy right now when they literally shot him for talking?
00:28:00.000Oh, I didn't say that we don't have a common enemy.
00:28:53.000Yeah, yeah, you guys weren't distracted.
00:28:54.000No, We're mission, mission, mission around here.
00:28:57.000Like we do, we do our level best to stay focused on the mission at hand.
00:29:01.000And that's midterms, midterms, midterms, no transiting our kids, mass migration.
00:29:07.000So let me just encourage you just for a second, because I know that the distractions in the division is demoralizing, but I like to use this analogy.
00:29:14.000On the left, when your goal is just destruction, you don't have to agree on the tools that you use.
00:29:20.000Anyone can pick up a hammer, a mallet, it doesn't matter.
00:29:22.000As long as you're destroying, you can all do it.
00:29:25.000But on the right, we're trying to build something.
00:29:27.000And when you're trying to build something, you have to agree on the foundation, the materials, and the tools you use, who's using it and when and where.
00:29:43.000That's the moment that we're in right now because we lost our main coalition builder and the guy that was holding us together and somehow holding back the crazy.
00:31:46.000So I have a question because after Charlie Crookard died, I feel one of two ways.
00:31:53.000A lot of us wanted to speak out and a lot of us wanted to hide.
00:31:58.000I'm caught in the middle where it's, I want to speak out, but there's also fear.
00:32:02.000So my question for you is, how do you get rid of that fear of wanting to speak out and like just like push forward through it?
00:32:13.000Because like I'm really, I really try to fight people pleasing, but I can find myself in it where it's like, not that I'll say what people want to hear, but I'll just keep my thoughts to myself because I'm just like, oh, well, I know that'll like piss them off, basically.
00:32:30.000And so like, I'll try to like either put it out or just like put it, brush it under the rug.
00:32:40.000But I really want to like, with Charlie dying, like, it was very encouraging for me because it was like he did for my generation what a lot of people wouldn't have done.
00:33:58.000Don't beat yourself up about struggling with fear and people pleasing.
00:34:01.000That is part of being human, but it is something to fight against.
00:34:05.000We don't want to live in a world or lead a life in which people are begging God is small and people's opinion of us loom large while God's opinion is really a lot smaller to us.
00:35:20.000If it wasn't hard, it wouldn't be courage.
00:35:22.000Yeah, but also in like a world that's evil and filled with lies, if the world's constantly agreeing with you and affirming your behavior, that means you are living a life of lies and darkness and evil because it's affirming the actions that it desires, affirming the actions of the world that it's in.
00:35:41.000So when you actually do what's right and are a bright light in this dark world and actually bringing truth to lies, that's not a very popular thing.
00:35:51.000Well, yeah, I mean, rejoice in your suffering.
00:36:54.000And so we're fighting the trans and the kids movement.
00:36:58.000We're fighting the universities, but I don't see much of fighting the social work because they're in their universities, they're in the police departments, and they're by themselves, DZFS.
00:37:09.000In Illinois, California, I know for sure if you don't use your child's pronouns, they can take your kids from you.
00:37:15.000And I just don't hear that many people talking about social work and how ingrained that this is.
00:37:21.000And so I was wondering, you know, can you guys all give it a platform and what we can do to fight the organization?
00:37:29.000Social workers, teachers, nurses, and therapists attract the best people in the world and the worst people in the world.
00:37:38.000And it is because it involves vulnerable people.
00:37:42.000And there are two kinds of people that are attracted to the vulnerable person, and that's the person that wants to help them and the person that wants to hurt them.
00:37:50.000And so that's what we see in those helping professions.
00:37:53.000And that's not to say that all those progressives that go into social work have bad intentions.
00:37:58.000They don't realize they're being demonically led to support the idea of a child being born in the wrong body.
00:38:06.000But you're right, we do need to speak up about that.
00:38:08.000And don't think that your speaking up for the truth was for naught just because you got kicked out.
00:38:14.000You have no idea how God used that courage.
00:38:19.000Who heard you that initially hated you?
00:38:22.000But 50 years from now, God could use that moment that you're not even thinking about anymore in someone else's life when they remembered that person stood up for that and he was right.
00:38:32.000God uses those seemingly unseen and unsung moments in eternity.
00:38:37.000And you will only see when you get to the other side of glory how that moment of courage where you felt like you were risking everything worked into someone else's testimony.
00:38:47.000So don't look at the world's affirmation of you as like a meter for your success, right?
00:38:54.000Because obviously they crucified Jesus, they stoned Stephen, and the world is going to reject us.
00:39:03.000And that is actually a sign that we're doing something right.
00:39:06.000Jesus said, Woe to you when all people speak well of you.