The Charlie Kirk Show - January 01, 2026


Courage is Contagious


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39 minutes

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7,503

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598

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In this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk is joined by Beth Stuckey, Allie, Beth and Mikey to discuss the importance of being courageous and standing up for what you believe in.

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00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.
00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.
00:00:11.000 My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.
00:00:14.000 If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable.
00:00:19.000 But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful.
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00:00:39.000 I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.
00:00:41.000 Most important decision I ever made in my life.
00:00:43.000 And I encourage you to do the same.
00:00:45.000 Here I am.
00:00:46.000 Lord, use me.
00:00:48.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:49.000 Here we go.
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00:01:09.000 All right, without further ado, we are going to welcome up one of my favorite people, one of Charlie's favorite people.
00:01:16.000 She needs no introduction.
00:01:17.000 Allie, Beth, Stuckey.
00:01:24.000 Hey, y'all.
00:01:25.000 Hi.
00:01:25.000 And Mikey McCoy, by the way.
00:01:27.000 Hello.
00:01:27.000 How are we doing?
00:01:28.000 Mikey McCoy.
00:01:29.000 This is my first, this is actually my first one with Mikey.
00:01:31.000 You've done some other ones with us.
00:01:32.000 Yeah, but this is my first one.
00:01:34.000 I know, I really missed you.
00:01:36.000 It's an honor.
00:01:37.000 We're so glad to have you.
00:01:38.000 Thank you.
00:01:40.000 You are a crowd favorite.
00:01:41.000 You have a huge platform, and you are a wonderful Christian model of, I would say, integrity, of courage.
00:01:49.000 Thank you.
00:01:49.000 You've had a courageous last couple months, I would say, your whole career, certainly, but you have been a voice of truth, reason, facts, and you've taken the slings and arrows.
00:02:02.000 So whatever in that intro that you want to get into, the floor is yours.
00:02:07.000 You've been a model of courage, though, for so many.
00:02:10.000 Well, thanks.
00:02:11.000 And courage is contagious, and courage begats courage.
00:02:14.000 And I think a lot of us fancied ourselves as brave before Charlie died.
00:02:18.000 But then something was just triggered in all of us in a really good way after we saw that.
00:02:25.000 And any care that we had about what the world thought of us or really what anyone thought of us, it just fell to the wayside.
00:02:31.000 I know that I felt like that, but even like my nieces and nephews and people I know in my life who weren't political before and maybe they weren't really digging into their Bible.
00:02:42.000 They certainly weren't evangelizing, that has changed.
00:02:45.000 And I just like want to remind everyone, I know there's been a lot of noise, a lot of disagreement, and it can feel very demoralizing.
00:02:52.000 Like, is the revival that we thought was going to happen?
00:02:54.000 Is it already over?
00:02:56.000 It can feel like that until you talk to the everyday person.
00:03:00.000 And the conversations that I have with people that I work with are my friends or people that I know that I didn't know were interested in Christianity.
00:03:09.000 They're like, yeah, I'm going to church now.
00:03:11.000 Yeah, I just got baptized.
00:03:13.000 Yeah, I heard the gospel and I believed it.
00:03:15.000 So underneath all of the headlines, like there is a revival happening and the Holy Spirit is making people more courageous.
00:03:23.000 And I'm just happy that we still get to be a part of that.
00:03:26.000 Yeah, well said.
00:03:27.000 I want to encourage everybody that maybe is asking those same questions.
00:03:30.000 I've had the exact same experience that, you know, and I think it reflects now in the polling and still church attendance is still surging.
00:03:38.000 Baptisms are still surging.
00:03:39.000 And so, you know, I think sometimes when the light shines the brightest, the darkness tries to counter it.
00:03:47.000 One for one, it can't.
00:03:48.000 And I've said before that what God has unleashed, man cannot stop.
00:03:52.000 Like the train's left the station.
00:03:53.000 Good luck stopping it.
00:03:54.000 You can harass it.
00:03:55.000 You can try and throw sticks and stones in its tracks, but it's just going to roll right over them.
00:04:00.000 And so, God's doing a great work here.
00:04:02.000 And I think we need to have faith and let the process play out too, by the way, with the political commentators and the noise and the debates.
00:04:09.000 Like, let it play out.
00:04:10.000 Like, something good might just be happening underneath the surface, and we need to let that Lord that He knows the next steps.
00:04:17.000 But Mikey, get in here.
00:04:19.000 Yeah, I also think it's really exciting, though.
00:04:22.000 And I keep saying this over and over again, but because I mean it, and it's so powerful that Charlie literally got murdered for speaking truth and using his free speech.
00:04:32.000 Yeah.
00:04:32.000 Free speech that oftentimes the left hated and then killed him for.
00:04:38.000 And you would think that when somebody is murdered for using their free speech, it would make others kind of pause and say, Maybe I don't want to do that because I too could get killed.
00:04:46.000 But like here at Amfest, it's been so encouraging for me and for all of us to see record-breaking numbers of how many people are here for the first time, 80% of which this is their first TPSA event ever.
00:04:58.000 But then these students that are like fired up and it's like the me next in mentality, like I'll be the next one.
00:05:04.000 Like put me, put me on the stand.
00:05:06.000 Like I'm ready to go.
00:05:07.000 Because courage is contagious.
00:05:09.000 And like when you see that, it fires you up for truth.
00:05:14.000 And I think that the enemy wants us to think that the revival was hijacked or over, but in reality, it's playing out in different ways that we don't even see behind the scenes.
00:05:26.000 I mean, last week, Andrew, we were like down bad.
00:05:32.000 We were down bad.
00:05:33.000 Y'all were discouraged.
00:05:34.000 Yeah.
00:05:34.000 And then being here this week, it's like just so encouraging.
00:05:38.000 I'll be super honest about it.
00:05:39.000 On Thursday morning when I was getting ready to come down here, I was not looking forward to it.
00:05:45.000 I was like, just have to get through this.
00:05:47.000 And then I'm going to be, then I can go be with my family and watch some Christmas movies.
00:05:51.000 That's like what I want to do, right?
00:05:52.000 Honestly.
00:05:53.000 It's been a long year this month.
00:05:57.000 Charlie would always say, today's been a long week, you know?
00:06:02.000 But anyways, so, but then when I got here and instantly felt, it was kind of like when we were at the memorial and you step in there and it was just like, boom, you can just feel it.
00:06:12.000 And that comes from all of you guys.
00:06:13.000 And I've been riding high ever since.
00:06:15.000 Honestly, this has been the most life-giving couple of days that I have experienced in a while.
00:06:22.000 And so I'm completely encouraged.
00:06:24.000 And I believe that the reach and the ripple effects of Charlie's martyrdom and the assassination are so far-reaching and so unquantifiable that we're really on this side of eternity never really going to understand the reach and the impact that Charlie has really had.
00:06:43.000 And by the way, people like you stepping into that shadow, which is my next question, stepping out, but from behind that shadow, I should say.
00:06:51.000 You told me, no, feel free.
00:06:54.000 This is not, this is, don't worry, this is not a live stream like that.
00:06:58.000 I'm just, you told me that you had an initial reaction after Charlie was assassinated.
00:07:04.000 Yeah.
00:07:04.000 And then you transitioned to, let's just say, a more bold reaction.
00:07:11.000 What was your first reaction?
00:07:13.000 And then what changed in you?
00:07:15.000 Yeah, my initial reaction.
00:07:17.000 So I got a text from my publicist.
00:07:20.000 I was on my way to a doctor's appointment.
00:07:22.000 And she said, I just heard that Charlie Kirk has been shot on college campus.
00:07:26.000 And I was like, that's not true.
00:07:28.000 That is just, she heard that through someone and that's not true.
00:07:30.000 But even if that is true, gosh, he got shot in the arm and that'll be terrible.
00:07:34.000 But, you know, it'll be okay.
00:07:37.000 He'll be fine.
00:07:38.000 It just, my mind couldn't even go to that spot.
00:07:40.000 But then I called one of our mutual friends who was crying, understandably, on the other side.
00:07:45.000 And he said it is true. 0.66
00:07:46.000 I went through all the things that you've heard a lot.
00:07:49.000 He might make it.
00:07:50.000 And then got a text saying he didn't make it.
00:07:52.000 And my first reaction was, like, I'm done.
00:07:56.000 I'm not doing this anymore.
00:07:58.000 It's not worth it.
00:07:59.000 I thought we were in a battle of ideas and we're not.
00:08:02.000 We're bringing ideas and they're bringing bullets.
00:08:05.000 This is not a war of words.
00:08:06.000 Like, this is a hot war.
00:08:08.000 They've declared war on us.
00:08:10.000 And then I talked to my dad.
00:08:12.000 My dad, I talk to him every day and he's a wealth of wisdom for me.
00:08:17.000 But he said, you know, when all of this clears and like the emotions kind of settle down, you do have to ask yourself, what would Charlie say to you?
00:08:27.000 Like, what would he say to you?
00:08:28.000 And I'm like, I know what he would say, what he would say to any of us in the movement.
00:08:34.000 And all of us are so blessed with like different encouraging texts that he would send to so many people over the years.
00:08:40.000 And one of them, I got, I had this negative article written about me in the Atlantic and I was all anxious about it.
00:08:46.000 But of course, Charlie texted me and he said, huge honor, keep slugging.
00:08:52.000 And my audience has heard me tell this story.
00:08:55.000 And so now, like, whenever they can tell I'm feeling discouraged, they just say, keep slugging, keep slugging, keep slugging.
00:09:00.000 It's almost become a motto.
00:09:02.000 Like that, and now that's how I feel.
00:09:04.000 Now I'm like, okay, like he didn't die for nothing.
00:09:08.000 Like he, he would say to all of us, keep slugging.
00:09:11.000 Do not back down.
00:09:12.000 This is actually the very last thing you should do.
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00:10:15.000 Well, and, you know, it's funny because a lot of people have their Charlie-isms, you know, like Steve Dace's go Max, you know, or go hard.
00:10:23.000 Go hard.
00:10:23.000 And then it goes into the Demax.
00:10:26.000 That's funny.
00:10:28.000 But, you know, it is true.
00:10:30.000 I mean, this, I think this is like a hard for some people to probably hear, but like the night that Charlie was assassinated, there was a few of us in the hotel in Salt Lake City and we're sitting there, you know, stunned silence.
00:10:42.000 And somebody just kind of had to like break the silence because, you know, what do you say in this moment?
00:10:47.000 And somebody's like, you know, Charlie would be really upset that we're not streaming right now.
00:10:53.000 And I was like, okay.
00:10:54.000 Probably true.
00:10:55.000 It's probably true.
00:10:56.000 Yeah.
00:10:56.000 I mean, you know, obviously that wasn't the expectation and it was a joke, but it was a, it was a kind of a hat tip to the way Charlie was wired and the way Charlie was wired.
00:11:06.000 He would run right into the story.
00:11:08.000 He would run right into the battle that was in front of you.
00:11:12.000 And he just had this endless energy.
00:11:14.000 And so when we ended up doing this stream on Friday that I guess got seen over 35 million times or something insane, we knew we had to do that because it had to be us that honored Charlie, that like spoke up for him in that moment.
00:11:29.000 And you have done that as well.
00:11:31.000 You had this moment where, you know, Charlie was giving you encouragement about your Jubilee debate.
00:11:37.000 And that happened right after, right?
00:11:39.000 Yep.
00:11:39.000 It was two weeks after he died.
00:11:41.000 It was the day before the memorial.
00:11:43.000 Right.
00:11:44.000 And you struggled with whether or not you should keep that commitment.
00:11:47.000 Yeah.
00:11:47.000 I mean, the last place I wanted to be was surrounded by a circle of liberals in that moment, just to be honest.
00:11:54.000 We had a lot of security conversations before walking into this.
00:11:58.000 But honestly, yes, like Charlie's wisdom was so vital.
00:12:02.000 Holy Spirit was present 100%.
00:12:05.000 But also, to the credit of my opponents, there were 20 liberal Christians and one Christian conservative.
00:12:11.000 And I got to make four claims and defend those claims.
00:12:14.000 And all 20 of them came up and tried to deconstruct it.
00:12:17.000 But, and so I was nervous.
00:12:18.000 And, but the, oh, thank you.
00:12:20.000 Thank you.
00:12:22.000 But the first guy came up to me, this like flamboyant gay man. 1.00
00:12:27.000 And he came up to me and it's so tense in there.
00:12:30.000 I don't know if they tell the cast not to smile.
00:12:33.000 No one is smiling.
00:12:34.000 It is hot.
00:12:36.000 They don't have any air conditioning.
00:12:37.000 They stop every 30 seconds to turn fancy.
00:12:39.000 It is hot.
00:12:39.000 I went there with Charlie.
00:12:41.000 It's so hot.
00:12:41.000 It's brutally hot.
00:12:42.000 It is so hot.
00:12:43.000 And it's like, and I watched Charlie's before and they were so mean to Charlie.
00:12:48.000 I was expecting that.
00:12:49.000 And so this guy, he sits down and Charlie told me, he said, ask them all their name because it throws them off.
00:12:55.000 And so I did, but then he stopped and he said, I am so sorry about your friend Charlie.
00:13:01.000 And that just, I can't take credit for that.
00:13:04.000 Like that completely melted the tension.
00:13:06.000 They didn't actually show that in the final cut of the debate.
00:13:09.000 But three or four of them stopped and said, I'm so sorry about Charlie.
00:13:13.000 And honestly, like even in death, Charlie kind of made peace in that situation that could have been really contentious.
00:13:21.000 The tension kind of melted away.
00:13:23.000 I know the tension of that room.
00:13:25.000 Yeah.
00:13:25.000 It was high.
00:13:26.000 They were way meaner to each other.
00:13:29.000 He was in the hood.
00:13:29.000 It is.
00:13:30.000 Imagine Mikey just walking around the hood.
00:13:32.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:13:33.000 Well, you look like your friend in the hood.
00:13:35.000 So I'm sure it was familiar.
00:13:37.000 I give off hood vibes. 0.97
00:13:39.000 You do.
00:13:39.000 Just like Charlie, that one line on DVD.
00:13:41.000 He's like, yeah, I'm just on the street all the time, PBA.
00:13:46.000 Yeah.
00:13:46.000 Did you have a question?
00:13:47.000 No, I just, I mean, you opened up kind of talking about how we're going to watch this play out.
00:13:53.000 But I think it's really interesting to see all the different personalities that are speaking at Amfest.
00:13:58.000 And Erica said it the other night.
00:14:00.000 Personalities at Amfest?
00:14:01.000 Yeah, what?
00:14:01.000 I haven't noticed that.
00:14:02.000 Crazy.
00:14:02.000 People are acting like this is the first time we've ever had like, you know, disagreements.
00:14:07.000 Yeah, YouTube.
00:14:08.000 Shade being thrown from stage.
00:14:10.000 No, never, not at Amfest.
00:14:11.000 But Erica came out yesterday and she was like, you know, you can say a lot about Amfest.
00:14:15.000 You can't say it isn't, it is boring.
00:14:17.000 And she was like, it's like Thanksgiving dinner with the family members.
00:14:21.000 You know, like you're working out the family business.
00:14:25.000 But I do want to kind of talk about, Tucker said in his speech, he said, if my brother goes on a drug-related murder spree, I will not denounce him.
00:14:33.000 And that, I was like thinking about that all night last night.
00:14:37.000 And then again this morning, because I love my family and I'm super close with my family.
00:14:43.000 But then I'm also very invested in my morality and my values.
00:14:48.000 And I was like, oh, Allie Suckey's coming.
00:14:51.000 I'll just ask her what she thinks about it.
00:14:53.000 Would you denounce me if I went on a drug-related murder spree?
00:14:57.000 You know what?
00:14:57.000 I would denounce you for a lot less than that, Mikey.
00:15:00.000 So definitely at that point, we're denouncing Mikey.
00:15:04.000 So you're saying there's standards.
00:15:05.000 There's standards.
00:15:06.000 Okay, so I guess we could get into the semantics of what do you mean by denounce?
00:15:11.000 Of course, you still love someone in your life.
00:15:14.000 Like if your spouse, especially the person that you're one person with, like it would take a lot for you to publicly condemn them.
00:15:22.000 But you would.
00:15:23.000 Like you, you would still love them and want what's best for them and all of that.
00:15:28.000 But you also want justice and you want truth just because we, you know, we subscribe to something that is higher than interpersonal loyalty.
00:15:38.000 And that is loyalty to the word of God, even when it's really difficult.
00:15:42.000 So yeah, I thought that was strange.
00:15:43.000 I don't think I can get on board with that.
00:15:46.000 I don't know.
00:15:46.000 Hopefully his brother doesn't do that.
00:15:48.000 Yeah, let's hope nobody goes.
00:15:49.000 We don't recommend drug-related murder sprees.
00:15:52.000 We don't.
00:15:52.000 That needs to be said.
00:15:54.000 Disavow.
00:15:54.000 I wasn't sure where you stood on that, Andrew.
00:15:56.000 So thank you.
00:15:57.000 You know, people are asking questions.
00:15:58.000 So, so, but when we, when we, when we, when we talk about these disagreements within the movement, though, let's, let's keep them more within, okay, not murder, but with, you know, foreign policy, disagreements about Israel, disagreements about H-1Bs, disagreements about all of those things, healthcare.
00:16:18.000 What do you, how do you navigate these issues?
00:16:22.000 You know, Charlie was a big proponent of something he, you know, that we call prudence.
00:16:27.000 And so how do you prudently choose to navigate the most contentious issues of the conservative movement of our day?
00:16:35.000 Yeah, that's a good question.
00:16:37.000 You know, I don't really talk that much about foreign policy, but if you listen to some of my critics, I am like the biggest Israel stan out there.
00:16:45.000 Like it really doesn't matter what you say sometimes to some of these critics.
00:16:49.000 They will say that, you know, they'll just put, they'll project what they think about you onto you no matter what you say.
00:16:56.000 So you have to just ignore that.
00:16:58.000 Okay.
00:16:58.000 That's part of prudence.
00:16:59.000 And I'm sure that Charlie was really good at that, of ignoring the people that are going to say what they're going to say, no matter what the truth is.
00:17:05.000 And my only question is, what is true?
00:17:07.000 What's factually true?
00:17:08.000 But most importantly, what's biblically true?
00:17:10.000 And if I really don't know the answer to that, then I don't always wade into those waters.
00:17:16.000 And if I don't think it's a salvation issue, if I don't think it's an existential issue, then I'm going to do my best.
00:17:21.000 Like I did an episode, for example, when Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz had their battle over Israel.
00:17:27.000 And I just kind of navigated that.
00:17:30.000 Here's what I think the Bible says about Israel.
00:17:32.000 Here's what I think as a Christian.
00:17:34.000 And here's what I think our obligation is.
00:17:37.000 And, you know, it kind of pleased no one.
00:17:41.000 But that's okay.
00:17:42.000 And I don't have to pretend.
00:17:43.000 Here's what I never do.
00:17:45.000 I never pretend that I'm an expert on something that I'm not an expert on.
00:17:49.000 But if I know how to navigate something, if I feel like the word of God is clear on something, then I'm going to go all in.
00:17:54.000 Because Charlie and I, our last conversation on the podcast was about, he loved to talk about woke pastors.
00:18:00.000 That was like his favorite thing to ask me was about woke pastors.
00:18:03.000 He had a special place for them in his contempt.
00:18:08.000 In his contempt.
00:18:10.000 Yes.
00:18:11.000 And we talked about this concept of pastors thinking that they're nicer than God, just believing that they know better than God, that they're wiser than God, that they're more compassionate than God.
00:18:23.000 And he was like, that has to be the title of your next book.
00:18:25.000 I'm good at this kind of thing.
00:18:27.000 That needs to be the title, which is probably true.
00:18:30.000 But the truth is, is that the most loving thing that we can do in all things is agree with God.
00:18:35.000 And if I can find a way to agree with God when it comes to my politics or my cultural views, certainly my theology, then I'm going to do that as loudly as I can and try to help other people do that too.
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00:19:48.000 But when it comes to the politics of it all, and I know that you tend to be faith-forward politics downstream of your faith, which is, I think, the proper order.
00:19:57.000 But when we're talking about the politics of it all, the coalition building of it all, the Trump and JD Vance of it all, does this sort of fight that we're seeing play out in a public way, this family business, because it's different, right?
00:20:08.000 We all know that, like, you know, transing kids is bad, right? 1.00
00:20:11.000 We all know that, like, these ones are the easy ones.
00:20:13.000 It gets harder when it's when you're sort of so-called shooting inside the tent.
00:20:17.000 So, what do you make of that?
00:20:19.000 Do you think this is healthy for the movement?
00:20:20.000 Do you think this is just a sign of a healthy immune system and the antibodies fight?
00:20:25.000 Do you think this is, or do you think this is a sign of a lack of health?
00:20:29.000 Do you think this is dysfunction?
00:20:31.000 You know what?
00:20:32.000 It's hard to say exactly what my rule is in wading into these conflicts.
00:20:37.000 So, we can just say, like, when it comes to the Ben and Megan disagreement, like, I'm not probably going to wade in and say, well, like, I'm on this side, I'm on this side.
00:20:48.000 Both of these people are my friends, and I don't see something within that disagreement that I'm like, Allie Stuckey has to speak up on that, or else she's a coward. 0.95
00:20:56.000 Now, I might if it comes to that or if things evolve, but when it came to this is members only, right?
00:21:01.000 Like, when it came to the Candace thing, um, I, you know, put that off for a while for a lot of different reasons.
00:21:08.000 I didn't want to say anything, but then she started talking about Mikey, and that really bothered me.
00:21:12.000 But then she also started speaking about things that I had personal knowledge about, like how turning point events work and things like that.
00:21:18.000 And I felt an obligation to my audience who was constantly asking me, What do you think about this?
00:21:23.000 A lot of them watch her and love her, of course.
00:21:24.000 She's super entertaining and popular. 1.00
00:21:26.000 But they're like, What do you think about this?
00:21:28.000 Well, can you give me some clarity on this?
00:21:30.000 And I've always said clarity is kindness.
00:21:32.000 And if I am purposely not offering clarity where I know my audience needs it, then I am probably being cowardly, which is why I ended up trying to speak up about that.
00:21:41.000 So I guess it's case by case.
00:21:44.000 Trying, huh?
00:21:44.000 I think you succeeded in speaking up on this.
00:21:46.000 Well, I, you know, I said what I said, and I totally stand by it.
00:21:52.000 I totally stand by it.
00:21:54.000 And yeah, yeah, innuendo is not investigation.
00:21:58.000 And that's where I stand.
00:22:00.000 I mean, I shouldn't have interrupted you.
00:22:02.000 Innuendo is not investigation.
00:22:04.000 Yeah, and I think it's an instance where, you know, I said this to somebody just moments ago that what I actually think is happening in the movement is two parallel tracks.
00:22:15.000 I think there's an ideological debate that's unfolding, but I also think it's, you know, you have to understand how we got to this moment where we had media that was contained for so long in this country inside the legacy box, right?
00:22:29.000 You know, we had CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and then eventually Fox, and that was kind of it, right?
00:22:36.000 And then it exploded out of that.
00:22:38.000 We have independent creators.
00:22:39.000 We have independent-minded YouTubers and streamers and podcasters, and they are getting a bigger and bigger, bigger chunk of the pie.
00:22:47.000 But it's sort of the Wild West still.
00:22:49.000 There's no established rules, right?
00:22:50.000 The Washington Post has to publish its editorial controls and the standards and ethics that it's going to, well, you know, it's going to abide by, right?
00:23:00.000 And same with New York Times, same with Fox News.
00:23:03.000 In the world of online content creation, there are no standards or ethics.
00:23:06.000 And you've seen sort of the platforms try and impose those.
00:23:08.000 There was massive backlash against censorship, against hate speech, whatever that is.
00:23:13.000 And so what you're actually having is this debate is raging because there's not an agreement about how to responsibly create content online, especially when your platforms become huge, right?
00:23:25.000 And there's certain people that think you need to apply certain standards and ethics to facts and innuendo.
00:23:30.000 And there's certain people that think, well, we're, you know, it's all kind of free game.
00:23:33.000 So that I think is actually the thing that needs to settle.
00:23:36.000 That is the sifting that is also happening underneath what you think is this debate against he said, she said, or I'm friends with this person.
00:23:44.000 So I'm not going to.
00:23:45.000 It's actually deeper than that.
00:23:46.000 And it's a more structural problem, in my opinion.
00:23:48.000 I don't know if you agree with that or not.
00:23:50.000 Yeah, I think those are really good points.
00:23:52.000 I think the issue that we have on the left and the right and now the right is that our disagreements have become very fundamental.
00:23:58.000 We're asking questions like, what is an American?
00:24:01.000 Which I think is a really good thing to debate.
00:24:02.000 We have to define our terms, but we're also debating like, what is truth?
00:24:06.000 What is truth?
00:24:07.000 Like, how do we seek truth?
00:24:08.000 What counts as truth?
00:24:10.000 And it looks like we've got different definitions, not only on the right and the left, but even within what is considered the right.
00:24:16.000 And I do think the only way is to hammer that out and hash that out.
00:24:20.000 But it'll be interesting to see how that shapes up.
00:24:23.000 Do you want to do some QA or do you have a question?
00:24:24.000 No, no, no.
00:24:25.000 You guys, you said it great.
00:24:26.000 I would just also add: I mean, under the Biden administration, we kind of unified under, you know, if you would trip, you know, we would all go on social media and talk about it at length.
00:24:37.000 But I think now we've kind of been broken into like three factions: you have the administration who's really focused on just everything they're doing in the government, foreign policy, and everybody who's really hyper-analyzing that.
00:24:50.000 And then you have the greater populist movement on the right who's still debating these ideas.
00:24:56.000 And then you have to also remember that the audience who likes to ask questions is these are people like even me, you know, who came out of California during the COVID lockdowns.
00:25:08.000 My dad was going to be arrested for opening his church.
00:25:11.000 These people have been lied to about the election.
00:25:13.000 They've been lied to about COVID.
00:25:14.000 And so they are looking for somebody to ask questions about everything.
00:25:19.000 And so there's an audience for that as well.
00:25:21.000 So we're all separated right now.
00:25:24.000 And because we're all separated, there's tons of infighting because we don't have a unified enemy right now.
00:25:29.000 And so right now we're just kind of focusing on fighting each other instead of focusing on a unified enemy.
00:25:33.000 Governing's hard.
00:25:34.000 Yeah.
00:25:35.000 Clap for that.
00:25:36.000 I totally agree.
00:25:37.000 Yeah, very wise.
00:25:39.000 The hope is that when we get to 2026 and especially in 2028, a lot of these infighting hopefully will fade away because we're going to be having to defeat AOC nominee or Jasmine Crockett.
00:25:55.000 The content that will come out.
00:25:58.000 I mean, it's going to be great.
00:26:00.000 I mean, that will be a crystallizing moment for everybody.
00:26:02.000 A very clarifying moment for everybody.
00:26:04.000 Let's do some QA for Allie. 0.99
00:26:07.000 Emma's got the mic.
00:26:09.000 Hi, my name's Amanda.
00:26:11.000 I have listened to Rush since I was in the womb.
00:26:15.000 And I, once Rush passed, I didn't have a home.
00:26:18.000 Found the Charlie Kirk show.
00:26:20.000 So thank you guys for continuing.
00:26:21.000 I really appreciate it.
00:26:23.000 My question: I'm a nurse and a mom, and I'm just sitting here watching you guys, and I worry about you guys as people.
00:26:30.000 How can I be praying for you all?
00:26:32.000 Yeah.
00:26:33.000 That's very sweet.
00:26:34.000 Well, thank you so much.
00:26:35.000 And just thank you for being a light in a dark world.
00:26:39.000 The medical system, unfortunately, you know, isn't always the brightest place.
00:26:44.000 So thank you for doing what you do.
00:26:47.000 Well, you know, I can't speak for everyone, but pray, yes, of course, for protection and things like that.
00:26:52.000 We're always praying for that.
00:26:54.000 But also just pray for courage to do the next right thing.
00:26:57.000 That's all any of us are ever trying to do.
00:27:00.000 Do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God.
00:27:03.000 That's the motto that I try to live by.
00:27:05.000 And sometimes that takes courage.
00:27:07.000 There's not a lot of courage in being complacent and going with the flow.
00:27:11.000 But all of us in this room have decided that going with the flow got us to a really bad place and swimming upstream can be hard.
00:27:17.000 So pray for courage, not only for us, but for people like you too, because we have a job to say the things that we say and do the things that we do that are considered controversial.
00:27:28.000 You could lose your job for doing that.
00:27:30.000 So really, my respect goes to you for the sacrifices you make for the truth.
00:27:35.000 So thank you.
00:27:36.000 Yeah.
00:27:42.000 Hi, Allie.
00:27:43.000 How are you guys doing?
00:27:44.000 Hi.
00:27:44.000 My name is Ian.
00:27:45.000 I'm from North Idaho.
00:27:46.000 And I just want you to kind of elaborate more on how we don't have a common enemy when Charlie Kirk was shot by a leftist, trans-loving person.
00:27:55.000 Like, how is that not a common enemy right now when they literally shot him for talking?
00:28:00.000 Oh, I didn't say that we don't have a common enemy.
00:28:02.000 I know what I'm saying.
00:28:04.000 Can we elaborate on that?
00:28:06.000 Like, how we don't have a common enemy, I guess, is what I was hoping to find on for.
00:28:11.000 Oh, are you saying that some people are asserting that or you believe that we don't have a common enemy?
00:28:15.000 I believe we have a common enemy.
00:28:16.000 Okay.
00:28:16.000 And it's like, yes, I agree.
00:28:18.000 I actually think we were all saying we have a common enemy.
00:28:20.000 It's about how we're getting distracted by the things we disagree about amongst the coalition on the right, the larger coalition.
00:28:28.000 And so it's not, it just doesn't feel maybe as prominent to some people because guess what?
00:28:33.000 All the clickbait, all the stuff people are clicking on and posting about is like infighting.
00:28:37.000 So it just doesn't, it's just not as prominent.
00:28:39.000 But when I think when the calendar of the election comes into more focus for people, that will probably be a clarifying moment.
00:28:48.000 It will refocus people that are currently distracted.
00:28:51.000 I'm not distracted.
00:28:51.000 We're not distracted.
00:28:53.000 We agree.
00:28:53.000 Yeah, yeah, you guys weren't distracted.
00:28:54.000 No, We're mission, mission, mission around here.
00:28:57.000 Like we do, we do our level best to stay focused on the mission at hand.
00:29:01.000 And that's midterms, midterms, midterms, no transiting our kids, mass migration. 0.97
00:29:07.000 So let me just encourage you just for a second, because I know that the distractions in the division is demoralizing, but I like to use this analogy.
00:29:14.000 On the left, when your goal is just destruction, you don't have to agree on the tools that you use.
00:29:20.000 Anyone can pick up a hammer, a mallet, it doesn't matter.
00:29:22.000 As long as you're destroying, you can all do it.
00:29:24.000 You don't have to agree.
00:29:25.000 But on the right, we're trying to build something.
00:29:27.000 And when you're trying to build something, you have to agree on the foundation, the materials, and the tools you use, who's using it and when and where.
00:29:34.000 That takes work.
00:29:35.000 And sometimes it takes these clarifying moments for us to say, hang on, who are we?
00:29:40.000 And what are we doing?
00:29:41.000 What is our common enemy?
00:29:43.000 That's the moment that we're in right now because we lost our main coalition builder and the guy that was holding us together and somehow holding back the crazy.
00:29:50.000 Now the crazies, it's come out.
00:29:53.000 And so we're just having a redefining moment so that we can win the midterms in 2028.
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00:31:11.000 Hi, Ellie.
00:31:11.000 How it goes?
00:31:12.000 My name's Jonathan.
00:31:13.000 I'm actually working on getting on different podcasts.
00:31:15.000 I really want to give a lesson on opposing abortion and what a godly marriage looks like.
00:31:18.000 Okay.
00:31:19.000 Can you just enter your email and see if you'd like that?
00:31:21.000 You know what?
00:31:22.000 I have my assistant is somewhere over here.
00:31:26.000 If you have a card or something, if you can give, I probably won't, but someone else can enter that information.
00:31:35.000 We do too.
00:31:36.000 The hustle's great initiative.
00:31:37.000 Yeah.
00:31:38.000 Yeah, no, I really do too.
00:31:39.000 And any pro-life voice that we can get, I appreciate so much.
00:31:43.000 Got one back there, Emma.
00:31:46.000 So I have a question because after Charlie Crookard died, I feel one of two ways.
00:31:53.000 A lot of us wanted to speak out and a lot of us wanted to hide.
00:31:58.000 I'm caught in the middle where it's, I want to speak out, but there's also fear.
00:32:02.000 So my question for you is, how do you get rid of that fear of wanting to speak out and like just like push forward through it?
00:32:13.000 Because like I'm really, I really try to fight people pleasing, but I can find myself in it where it's like, not that I'll say what people want to hear, but I'll just keep my thoughts to myself because I'm just like, oh, well, I know that'll like piss them off, basically.
00:32:30.000 And so like, I'll try to like either put it out or just like put it, brush it under the rug.
00:32:40.000 But I really want to like, with Charlie dying, like, it was very encouraging for me because it was like he did for my generation what a lot of people wouldn't have done.
00:32:51.000 Yeah.
00:32:52.000 And he put his life literally on the line for our generation.
00:32:56.000 And it's just encouraging that like he did that for us.
00:33:00.000 And so I want to step up like he did.
00:33:03.000 Yeah.
00:33:04.000 And finally start speaking out about things, especially it's scary because I live in Illinois.
00:33:09.000 So like it's very blue.
00:33:11.000 And when you speak out about politics, you're hated for it because Chicago is not a safe place.
00:33:17.000 I worked for public safety on my campus.
00:33:20.000 Yeah.
00:33:20.000 And so I've heard what goes on in the city.
00:33:23.000 And even in like on the news, you just see all of the horror that is caused by that.
00:33:31.000 And so just kind of, yeah, what's your advice for like pushing past that?
00:33:36.000 Yeah.
00:33:37.000 Would y'all say that Charlie got more courageous over the last five years?
00:33:41.000 Oh, yeah.
00:33:42.000 And how would you say that he became more courageous?
00:33:46.000 I think part of it was getting married and then also having kids.
00:33:49.000 Yeah.
00:33:50.000 Yeah.
00:33:50.000 And he realized that he had something bigger to defend than just himself.
00:33:54.000 Yeah.
00:33:55.000 The future for his children.
00:33:57.000 Yeah.
00:33:58.000 Don't beat yourself up about struggling with fear and people pleasing.
00:34:01.000 That is part of being human, but it is something to fight against.
00:34:05.000 We don't want to live in a world or lead a life in which people are begging God is small and people's opinion of us loom large while God's opinion is really a lot smaller to us.
00:34:16.000 And so it takes practice.
00:34:18.000 That's the thing.
00:34:19.000 I don't know if Charlie would say the same thing, but people ask me, are you nervous when you do XYZ?
00:34:25.000 Well, not as much anymore.
00:34:26.000 And it's not because of some like magic or anything.
00:34:29.000 It's because I practiced it.
00:34:30.000 But you have to practice courage.
00:34:32.000 And that means taking a risk.
00:34:34.000 That means saying the thing even when you don't really know what to say and it's not perfect.
00:34:38.000 So courage takes practice, but courage is also contagious.
00:34:42.000 So when you step out in courage, other people do too.
00:34:45.000 And then it makes it less scary.
00:34:47.000 Yeah.
00:34:50.000 And by the way, the number one verse that people have sent me, I don't know if I said this earlier, but it's worth saying is.
00:34:57.000 I was just saying hi to the photographer.
00:34:59.000 I was like, did you send me this verse too?
00:35:01.000 No, sorry.
00:35:01.000 You're waving at me.
00:35:02.000 No.
00:35:03.000 Is Joshua 19.
00:35:05.000 Yeah.
00:35:06.000 Be strong and courageous.
00:35:07.000 And I have literally hit my knees multiple times since Charlie died and just asking God to give me more courage and give me more wisdom.
00:35:16.000 So it's okay if it's hard.
00:35:17.000 Yeah.
00:35:18.000 That's what courage is.
00:35:19.000 It has to be hard.
00:35:20.000 If it wasn't hard, it wouldn't be courage.
00:35:22.000 Yeah, but also in like a world that's evil and filled with lies, if the world's constantly agreeing with you and affirming your behavior, that means you are living a life of lies and darkness and evil because it's affirming the actions that it desires, affirming the actions of the world that it's in.
00:35:41.000 So when you actually do what's right and are a bright light in this dark world and actually bringing truth to lies, that's not a very popular thing.
00:35:51.000 Well, yeah, I mean, rejoice in your suffering.
00:35:53.000 Yeah, Charlie was a prophet.
00:35:55.000 And what do they do to prophets?
00:35:58.000 I mean, that's a bitter pill to swallow, but Charlie has a really big throne and really big mansion in heaven right now.
00:36:06.000 I got to believe it.
00:36:07.000 And there's that clip where Charlie said, you know, he's called to confront the lies with the truth and to proclaim the truth.
00:36:15.000 And he wanted to be known for courage for his faith.
00:36:19.000 So Charlie's a guy that said yes to the Lord and like went all the way.
00:36:23.000 Yeah.
00:36:24.000 Next question.
00:36:26.000 Hi, Eileen.
00:36:28.000 So I read your book, Toxic Empathy.
00:36:30.000 And one of the things I'm noticing is social work as an organization is probably evil at this point, or they're all brainwashed.
00:36:39.000 So I was a social work student and I had asked Charlie for some advice.
00:36:44.000 And I heard many social work students ask him for the same advice.
00:36:47.000 And he told me, you know, stand up, you know, tell the truth.
00:36:51.000 And I did that and I was kicked out for it.
00:36:54.000 Yeah.
00:36:54.000 And so we're fighting the trans and the kids movement.
00:36:58.000 We're fighting the universities, but I don't see much of fighting the social work because they're in their universities, they're in the police departments, and they're by themselves, DZFS. 0.98
00:37:09.000 In Illinois, California, I know for sure if you don't use your child's pronouns, they can take your kids from you.
00:37:15.000 And I just don't hear that many people talking about social work and how ingrained that this is.
00:37:21.000 And so I was wondering, you know, can you guys all give it a platform and what we can do to fight the organization?
00:37:29.000 Social workers, teachers, nurses, and therapists attract the best people in the world and the worst people in the world.
00:37:38.000 And it is because it involves vulnerable people.
00:37:42.000 And there are two kinds of people that are attracted to the vulnerable person, and that's the person that wants to help them and the person that wants to hurt them.
00:37:50.000 And so that's what we see in those helping professions.
00:37:53.000 And that's not to say that all those progressives that go into social work have bad intentions.
00:37:58.000 They don't realize they're being demonically led to support the idea of a child being born in the wrong body.
00:38:06.000 But you're right, we do need to speak up about that.
00:38:08.000 And don't think that your speaking up for the truth was for naught just because you got kicked out.
00:38:14.000 You have no idea how God used that courage.
00:38:18.000 What seed you planted?
00:38:19.000 Who heard you that initially hated you?
00:38:22.000 But 50 years from now, God could use that moment that you're not even thinking about anymore in someone else's life when they remembered that person stood up for that and he was right.
00:38:32.000 God uses those seemingly unseen and unsung moments in eternity.
00:38:37.000 And you will only see when you get to the other side of glory how that moment of courage where you felt like you were risking everything worked into someone else's testimony.
00:38:47.000 So don't look at the world's affirmation of you as like a meter for your success, right?
00:38:54.000 Because obviously they crucified Jesus, they stoned Stephen, and the world is going to reject us.
00:39:03.000 And that is actually a sign that we're doing something right.
00:39:06.000 Jesus said, Woe to you when all people speak well of you.
00:39:09.000 Wow, I'm doing great.
00:39:12.000 We're all doing great, man.
00:39:17.000 So just remember that.
00:39:19.000 We gotta wrap up Allie because she's got places to go and people to see and great things to do. 0.99
00:39:24.000 And we're gonna do a prove me wrong.
00:39:26.000 Oh, I love that.
00:39:27.000 You're gonna love that.
00:39:27.000 I can't wait.
00:39:29.000 So everybody, Allie Bestucky.
00:39:30.000 Thank you so much.
00:39:31.000 More time.