The Charlie Kirk Show - July 21, 2022


COVID SPECIAL PART 1: Follow the Money with Dr. Pierre Kory and Steve Deace


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Steve Dacey and Dr. Pierre Corey break through the latest unbelievable bombshell study out of Germany regarding the safety of the MMR vaccine. They also discuss the alarming trend of young people suddenly dropping dead in their beds and whether it's the result of the vaccine.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today at the Charlie Kirk Show, Steve Dace and Dr. Pierre Corey, we break through the latest unbelievable bombshell study out of Germany regarding the vaccine.
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00:01:08.000 There's so much I want to get to and no time to spare at all.
00:01:12.000 And with us is a voice of truth, a shining light, someone who I just really enjoy spending time with, honestly, who I believe has saved thousands, if not tens of thousands and possibly hundreds of thousands of lives.
00:01:24.000 Something that we all wish to aspire to is Dr. Pierre Corey.
00:01:28.000 Dr. Corey, welcome back to the program.
00:01:30.000 Hey, Charlie, good to be back.
00:01:32.000 So, Dr. Corey, I want to start.
00:01:33.000 You've been speaking out specifically about young people that have been dropping dead suspiciously.
00:01:38.000 One study in England shows a death rate 3.2 times higher versus unvaccinated and vaccinated.
00:01:46.000 You've quoted Ed Dowd before, who has suggested this is a democide taking place of the government potentially murdering its own citizens.
00:01:54.000 That's a very charged accusation.
00:01:56.000 What the heck is going on with all these young people dropping dead?
00:02:00.000 I mean, it's hard to overstate the magnitude of that statement, right?
00:02:00.000 Yeah.
00:02:05.000 That Ed Dowd coined.
00:02:07.000 Listen, we're speaking to the data.
00:02:10.000 The data is unmistakable.
00:02:12.000 You know, the life insurance industry has been showing data now for a while that working-aged Americans, 18 to 64 years old, the CDC has this data, that starting in 2021, right around the end of the first quarter, their all-cause mortality started to rise to unprecedented, historically unprecedented levels.
00:02:34.000 And that's just one source of data.
00:02:35.000 That's a pretty good source of data.
00:02:37.000 That's the industry.
00:02:38.000 You can find it in their quarterly reports.
00:02:40.000 You can find it out of the mouths of their CEOs who are trying to call attention.
00:02:44.000 Now, there is obviously people are pretending that they don't know what that is, but it's pretty clear that it's not deaths of despair.
00:02:54.000 Those are not the causes.
00:02:55.000 And we're attributing it to the vaccines.
00:02:56.000 And the life insurance industry is only one thing.
00:02:59.000 Disability figures are showing the same, which is historic, unprecedented rises around the same time.
00:03:06.000 And then you have this proliferation reports, like you talked about, Charlie, of young people, no comorbidities, suddenly arresting, being found dead in their beds.
00:03:15.000 And I mean, that's just anecdotal reports, but the numbers of them are absolutely terrifying.
00:03:21.000 And, you know, a lot of us who've been following the data on the toxicity of the vaccines, we're just going to keep doing what we're doing.
00:03:27.000 We're trying to put forth that data to guide the American public in how to preserve and protect their health and their lives, really.
00:03:33.000 Yeah.
00:03:34.000 And this is one of the most incredible medical stories in modern history that's getting zero coverage.
00:03:41.000 And we're supposed to believe that it's sad, sudden adult death syndrome and people that are just dropping dead.
00:03:47.000 And maybe that's just part, that's part of it.
00:03:50.000 But I mean, for example, you recently wrote that hospitals are adding crash carts on almost every floor.
00:03:56.000 What is a crash cart?
00:03:58.000 Yeah.
00:03:59.000 So that's one particular major hospital in the Midwest, which I have a colleague who works there.
00:04:06.000 But a crash card is where we keep all the equipment and medicines in order to resuscitate someone from cardiac arrest.
00:04:13.000 And so that's a true medical emergency.
00:04:15.000 Those kind of emergencies happen, I wouldn't say routinely, but they happen inside hospitals on medical wards and in ICUs.
00:04:22.000 And when someone is found to be pulseless or in cardiac arrest, you know, a whole response is triggered and the crash card is central to that.
00:04:31.000 And the thing about the crash cards, Charlie, is that once you resuscitate someone from a cardiac arrest, those crash cards are in disarray.
00:04:39.000 The medicines have all been disturbed.
00:04:40.000 Many of them have been used.
00:04:41.000 Equipment has been used and disrupted.
00:04:44.000 And they need to be restocked immediately in case someone else were to arrest in that same location of the hospital.
00:04:51.000 Apparently, the cardiac arrests, especially the unexpected, and in particular in young people in the hospital, are happening at such a frequency that one major hospital is now putting more crash cards available on the floors.
00:05:05.000 I mean, that's just one little data point that just, again, illuminates what is a humanitarian catastrophe.
00:05:12.000 So is all cause mortality going up in America?
00:05:16.000 Is that correct?
00:05:18.000 I know the data for 18 to 64-year-olds.
00:05:21.000 I think in older groups, it gets a little jumbled.
00:05:26.000 I don't know the exact data for the older age groups, but I know that's a little bit confounded because of the very high excess mortality we had earlier in the pandemic.
00:05:34.000 Many of our older population died earlier.
00:05:38.000 So that 2021 data is not as impressive as that sudden rise in the working age Americans, which with these milder variants, Charlie, you can't blame it on COVID, right?
00:05:49.000 The variants are milder.
00:05:50.000 These are generally younger people with much less comorbidities, and yet you're seeing this historic rise.
00:05:55.000 And for those who try to dismiss it as, you know, gunshots or overdoses or suicides, you know, why would they suddenly occur at the end of quarter one and 2021?
00:06:05.000 Those are epidemics that we've been dealing with now for a long time.
00:06:09.000 But the timing of the rise is absolutely stunning.
00:06:13.000 So, doctor, is there any other potential explanation?
00:06:17.000 I always try to check my premise and not try to get too into my own narrative.
00:06:22.000 Is there any other explanation for this?
00:06:24.000 When I review all the data, and you're absolutely right, your intuition is correct.
00:06:30.000 We don't want to leap to dramatic conclusions, sensationalize things.
00:06:35.000 But I've looked at a lot more data points.
00:06:37.000 Charlie, we could do this for an hour.
00:06:39.000 I will tell you, one of the most troubling was a researcher did an analysis of the Massachusetts death certificates, and he compared 2020 and 2021.
00:06:50.000 And that was a really telling finding.
00:06:53.000 What happened is in 2020, all the excess mortality in the population was from largely driven by respiratory disease.
00:07:00.000 People are dying of respiratory failure, which is what this respiratory virus does.
00:07:05.000 In 2021, it changed to largely under the category of cardiovascular, meaning heart attacks, strokes, sudden arrests, aneurysms, pulmonary emboli.
00:07:17.000 So in the middle of a pandemic, from one year to the next, we have the population excess mortality largely from respiratory causes now changing to cardiovascular causes.
00:07:28.000 I mean, there's only one way that we can explain that.
00:07:31.000 I mean, something was introduced into the population that was injected.
00:07:36.000 I mean, that's one, that's a sort of a crude way of stating that.
00:07:39.000 But I find that a pretty damning piece of data to suggest that something happened.
00:07:46.000 Again, the timing of that shift of the excess mortality is, I can't find other explanations.
00:07:52.000 And the last thing, Charlie, is, you know, we're forgetting that the long-held regulatory standard is that when you introduce an experimental or novel medical intervention, the generally accepted standard historically is when you start to see concerning data or disturbing reports of death or adverse events, you're supposed to assume it's related to that new intervention until proven otherwise.
00:08:16.000 And what I see is as a society and all the agencies, they've upended that.
00:08:21.000 And instead, they assume and dismiss at it being unrelated until proving it's causative.
00:08:26.000 And that's not very safe.
00:08:28.000 And that's not how we should do it.
00:08:29.000 We have to assume that that is the primary cause.
00:08:32.000 We do not have any other good explanations to dismiss that away with.
00:08:37.000 At some point, there's going to be a smoking gun here.
00:08:40.000 And the life insurance industry is part of this, but it's not limited to that, to your point.
00:08:45.000 And so look, the last two FDA meetings, they've approved these phase three experimental gene therapies for babies and toddlers, they call it a vaccine, six months to four-year-olds, as well as voted to skip future clinical trials for these vaccines as modified going forward.
00:09:02.000 One of the only doc, only one doctor on the entire committee who voted no and said the fix was in.
00:09:09.000 Why are they so fascinated about vaccinating six month year olds?
00:09:13.000 Very briefly, Charlie, and I think you and I have talked about this before.
00:09:16.000 That is one of the most crudest and obscene examples of total regulatory capture.
00:09:20.000 There is no public health benefit to those children.
00:09:23.000 They will not be saved.
00:09:24.000 They were far more likely to be harmed.
00:09:26.000 There's no data to support that recommendation.
00:09:28.000 The fact that it was unanimous shows you how our regulatory agencies work.
00:09:33.000 Those are committees that are completely stocked with yes men and women.
00:09:37.000 That's why they're there.
00:09:38.000 They're there to serve and further the interests of the pharmaceutical industry.
00:09:42.000 That's the only way you can explain that obscenity of an approval.
00:09:47.000 It's well said.
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00:10:38.000 Dr. Corey, this is something I've asked you every time you've come on the program, especially our longer form interviews.
00:10:44.000 But I'm going to find a new way to ask about the same essence of the question with a little bit of a change, which is I'm losing my faith in institutional science in America.
00:10:52.000 And I saw a quote that made me think of something we've discussed, which is one of the reasons why I don't trust the science is because the science always follows the money.
00:11:00.000 You don't follow the science because the science follows the money.
00:11:02.000 You mentioned that idea of regulatory capture.
00:11:05.000 I can read quote after quote, where whether it be Dr. Fauci who says that the vaccines do not protect against infection overly well, we have evidence to show the FOIA request suggests the CDC has not even been monitoring VARES data, as Cheryl Atkinson has reported.
00:11:21.000 I've always held up this idea of science and this pursuit of empirical truth as a beacon of the West.
00:11:29.000 Is that been put in permanent jeopardy because of corporate capture of our institutions?
00:11:35.000 I think at the institutional level, science has been captured and corrupted for sure.
00:11:40.000 However, I work out amongst the population.
00:11:44.000 I don't have a conflicts of interest.
00:11:45.000 I know many colleagues that don't.
00:11:47.000 A lot of us are just seekers of the truth, and we want to figure out how to help our patients the best.
00:11:52.000 However, we're not the ones who get hired into this maelstrom of pharmaceutical influenced and captured institutions.
00:12:00.000 If you work there, it's very hard to practice good science and advocate for it.
00:12:05.000 You're not going to get promoted.
00:12:07.000 You're not going to get hired by the pharmaceutical industry when you're looking to leave civil service.
00:12:12.000 And so you have that revolving door.
00:12:14.000 And I think you do not have good policies.
00:12:16.000 In fact, Charlie, I'm sure you're aware of this, but there was a landmark article, in my opinion, that came out this week, which is showing that scientists and researchers are leaving those institutions right now in droves.
00:12:28.000 They've had it.
00:12:29.000 They've said they're sick of working institutions that is essentially committing and practicing bad science and that is under heavily political influence.
00:12:38.000 I personally am a little bit more cynical.
00:12:39.000 I think they're leaving because they see the crash coming and they want to protect their careers and their reputations.
00:12:45.000 And so they want to distance themselves from the pseudo-science, which has not been science, that is in practice.
00:12:52.000 I agree with you.
00:12:53.000 Our scientific institutions and agencies have long been corrupted.
00:12:57.000 I was not aware of that going to the pandemic.
00:12:59.000 That has been a lesson of my lifetime.
00:13:02.000 And I'm going to continue to fight against that and advocate for institutions that work for us instead of being victims of theirs.
00:13:10.000 When we have Dr. Burks who now comes out and says that the entire strategy was built on hope, that they were hoping that it was working.
00:13:18.000 And yet they smeared you, Dr. Corey, and Dr. McCullough and Dr. Malone.
00:13:22.000 They called Iver Mecton horse paste.
00:13:25.000 And we've never received what really bothers me, and we haven't talked in months, we've never received an apology from any of these people for the deaths, for the lives that have been altered.
00:13:36.000 I mean, it's not just that they've been wrong, they have refused to admit any failure along the way.
00:13:42.000 And anything short of idolatry-style worship is not acceptable of these people.
00:13:49.000 Yeah, this new rule where anyone who deviated from scientific consensus is another one of the great historical kind of crimes, right?
00:13:59.000 So, the idea that you could have a scientific consensus in a novel disease in which we were learning things about it every single day, and suddenly some position of the agency became emblazoned in stone, you know, that was unassailable.
00:14:16.000 And anyone who spoke differently with different data, different insights, was immediately not only dismissed, attacked, but censored really from anywhere in a public forum.
00:14:28.000 And when you look, Charlie, at the agencies themselves, their own positions and policies have done nothing but shift rapidly.
00:14:35.000 Everything that they said two years ago very quickly became something different.
00:14:39.000 And so, if I were to follow scientific consensus at every single time point, my head would spin around, right?
00:14:46.000 I mean, I just find the censorship and the propaganda and this top-down authoritarianism is anti-science.
00:14:55.000 It's basically learning from us, not we learn from them.
00:14:58.000 And it's just there's so many people that are still propagandized to it.
00:15:02.000 And for example, the more you inject, the more you infect.
00:15:07.000 And if you say that on certain social media sites, you're immediately banned still to this time.
00:15:12.000 Fortunately, we're out of time, Dr. Corey.
00:15:14.000 How do people follow you and support you?
00:15:16.000 So my organization is at flcc.net.
00:15:20.000 And I also write on a substack, piercorey.substack.com.
00:15:24.000 And I write about all that I'm learning and all that I'm seeing in this pandemic.
00:15:27.000 Well, that's the key part.
00:15:29.000 You're learning that you don't come with some sort of pre-existing dogma or conclusion.
00:15:37.000 Where does it leave me?
00:15:38.000 That's kind of what scientists used to do.
00:15:38.000 I don't know.
00:15:40.000 And it's a deeper conversation for another time, Dr. Corey.
00:15:44.000 How we at the pinnacle of modernity have decided to go back to scholastic dark ages of unquestioned dogma and almost religious zeal of the suppression of inquiry.
00:15:55.000 It's a very interesting, more deeper philosophical question because you'd think that as we hit the zenith of modernity with Twitter and self-driving cars, we'd be more open.
00:16:04.000 No, it's actually more totalitarian than ever.
00:16:06.000 It's a fascinating topic.
00:16:07.000 Thank you, Dr. Corey.
00:16:08.000 Really appreciate it.
00:16:09.000 Thanks, Rod.
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00:16:58.000 With us right now is Steve Dace.
00:17:00.000 He wrote Fauci and Bargain.
00:17:02.000 Steve, welcome back to the program.
00:17:03.000 I had somebody come up to me a couple of days ago.
00:17:06.000 They said, Charlie, I found this amazing podcaster from Iowa.
00:17:09.000 I was like, oh, yeah, Steve Dace.
00:17:12.000 They said, yeah, exactly.
00:17:12.000 It was great.
00:17:13.000 And so, Steve, you're growing and it's great to see.
00:17:16.000 Welcome back to the program.
00:17:18.000 There's a study out of Germany you want to share with us.
00:17:21.000 Yeah, it's actually an alert from the German health department.
00:17:24.000 And you think it's bad here.
00:17:26.000 Imagine you're a German citizen in the last two weeks.
00:17:28.000 They told you, we aren't going to be able to help you heat your home this winter.
00:17:31.000 And oh, by the way, yeah, that jab we mandated you all take one out of every 5,000 we're estimating creates what the German health department said, quote, is a serious adverse effect, end quote.
00:17:44.000 What company was it?
00:17:45.000 Which company vaccine was it?
00:17:47.000 They did not specify which one it was.
00:17:50.000 It could be a combination therein.
00:17:53.000 Obviously, AstraZeneca would be more prevalent in Europe than it's not here.
00:17:58.000 But just to show you that those numbers are estimated low in our own vaccine adverse reporting system, adverse effect reporting system, otherwise known as VARES, there's more than that in just sheer hospitalizations that are reported on there.
00:18:11.000 And if you know anything about VAERS, you've got to go through numerous pages of citations and stuff to report an adverse event, which leads to things being under-reported there because it's not something that you can easily document in the system.
00:18:25.000 It kind of weeds out people who aren't serious about reporting an adverse effect.
00:18:30.000 But even if we just took their numbers, Charlie, as gospel, they're not.
00:18:33.000 They're estimated low.
00:18:34.000 But even if we just took those, about a month ago, I met a member of your team in Billings, Montana at the Reagan dinner there.
00:18:41.000 We both spoke there.
00:18:43.000 And that's about the population of Billings, Montana.
00:18:47.000 So imagine you got up one day.
00:18:48.000 This is pre-COVID, pre-jab. 1.00
00:18:50.000 It would be the biggest story in the country, Charlie, if you got up one day and we learned everybody in Billings, Montana is in the hospital, either with myocarditis, pericarditis, carditis.
00:19:01.000 And it's dishonest.
00:19:03.000 It would be the number one story in America if this happened, right?
00:19:07.000 And yet, a lot of people, including, frankly, a lot of people in our own side of the industry, I understand why corporate media that's completely sold out to big pharma doesn't seem, but a lot of our peers act like it doesn't happen.
00:19:19.000 A lot of our, you know, a lot of our Republicans don't say a word about it.
00:19:24.000 It is truly bizarre that this plague is happening right now.
00:19:28.000 And in very few places, do they want to acknowledge it?
00:19:31.000 So that's one in 5,000.
00:19:32.000 So if you extrapolate that to about what?
00:19:34.000 That's just doses.
00:19:35.000 That's doses.
00:19:36.000 We've had 600 million doses, not people, doses.
00:19:39.000 600 million doses of that administered here in the United States, which gets you to about 120,000 adverse effects.
00:19:46.000 But again, if you go to VARES right now, there's more hospitalizations reported than even that number.
00:19:53.000 All right.
00:19:53.000 So the number is much higher than that.
00:19:55.000 And I mean, so, Steve, I don't understand this.
00:19:58.000 I'm still getting Republicans and conservatives.
00:20:03.000 I mean, like your governor in Iowa, she's a big vax supporter. 0.95
00:20:06.000 What are they?
00:20:07.000 Are they all bought by Pfizer and AstraZeneca?
00:20:10.000 I do not understand this at all.
00:20:12.000 We have Ron DeSantis and Rand Paul.
00:20:15.000 Yeah.
00:20:16.000 What is going on here?
00:20:19.000 So, I mean, I just had dinner with our governor on Saturday with Tucker Carlson, not to name drop, but he was here in town.
00:20:25.000 And she's been great.
00:20:26.000 I mean, she has been, if DeSantis is in a tier by himself, she would be in whatever the next tier is of not just good compared to other Republicans, because that's a low bar, but like legitimately good.
00:20:37.000 But there is clearly a major blind spot on this issue.
00:20:40.000 And I think maybe I understand it because, you know, my assistant, Todd, who I co-wrote Fauci and Bargain with, he is a committed granola crunching righty anti-vaxer.
00:20:52.000 And I always thought it was weird and I always thought it was quirky.
00:20:55.000 And, you know, I didn't really care, you know, when cold and flu season went around every year and him and his kids weren't vaccinated.
00:21:01.000 And me and my kids were because, you know, 10 years ago, I went and did a mission trip in Haiti and the Obama State Department told me I had to have all my classic boosters and everything updated in order to come back because it's the poorest country in our hemisphere.
00:21:13.000 And so the reason I wasn't worried about it is because I was vaccinated.
00:21:16.000 So if I went to Haiti and got something, I was inoculated.
00:21:20.000 I wouldn't bring it back with me.
00:21:21.000 And so if Todd was not inoculated and I was, I'm like, well, I don't really have a problem with where he's at.
00:21:26.000 I'm good.
00:21:26.000 I'm inoculated.
00:21:28.000 But this is the first time ever now that we have been told that the failure of a product is to be blamed on the people who did not purchase or use it.
00:21:36.000 Okay.
00:21:37.000 And so the idea that everyone must have this in order for it to work goes against the actual science.
00:21:43.000 And when you look at what's transpired here, they've changed the definition of vaccine.
00:21:47.000 They did this last year.
00:21:49.000 It no longer is something that stops you from getting an infection.
00:21:53.000 There's a study out right now from the European Medical Society that is openly saying that repeated injections and boosters can harm the immune system.
00:22:03.000 After eight months, they found that people who were unvaccinated had stronger immune systems than people who were vaccinated.
00:22:09.000 This is the Lancet.
00:22:10.000 All right.
00:22:11.000 This is not, you know, on the blades where I work, or this isn't the Charlie Kirk show. 0.63
00:22:15.000 This isn't the friggin Lancet they're reporting this.
00:22:17.000 And I think that a lot of our people, and I would count myself among them, you know, because I have now have to ask myself this question, Charlie.
00:22:24.000 If they did it with this one, am I really supposed to believe they've never done it before ever?
00:22:29.000 They just did it for the first time with this one.
00:22:31.000 And I think that's where good people like Kim Reynolds and a lot of the people that you are indirectly referring to, we are uncomfortable with where this conversation goes if we acknowledge that this is happening right now.
00:22:43.000 And so there's this sort of cognitive dissonance that is happening.
00:22:46.000 Yeah, I mean, she's a nice person, but I mean, I just reminded myself of it because I was like, I think I'm losing my mind.
00:22:51.000 I mean, she got the COVID booster shot.
00:22:53.000 She got, she did all these videos telling people to get vaccinated.
00:22:56.000 And so potentially Iowans died because of that, right? 0.70
00:23:00.000 Based on what you're saying.
00:23:01.000 And I'm not blaming her.
00:23:03.000 I just, I don't understand why Republicans are afraid to talk about this issue.
00:23:09.000 I mean, well, I think we go to the we go to the former president.
00:23:12.000 I mean, he was in Alaska last week and at his rally and in the middle of it out of nowhere says, well, they don't want me to mention this because he knows he'll get booed because the previous times he's brought up the vaccine, he's gotten booed.
00:23:25.000 I mean, I mean, it takes a lot, given the resume he can present to those people for him to present something that would get him booed.
00:23:32.000 And this is it.
00:23:33.000 And then for him to then claim, though, afterwards, but I saved all these lives and I'm really proud of it, even though I can't mention it.
00:23:39.000 I think that we're going to have to create a situation here where we're going to have to force a lot of eyes open.
00:23:46.000 Now, the good news is this time next year, the couple of names we've mentioned, Ron DeSantis, Donald Trump, are probably going to be right here in my backyard trying to win people like me over, running for president.
00:23:57.000 And we're going to have a captive audience.
00:23:58.000 And I can promise you, within the grassroots here in Iowa, where our audiences that we talk to across the country, there is a huge appetite to wake these Republicans up on what is going on.
00:24:09.000 I've said this to the president before.
00:24:10.000 I'm a big supporter of his, obviously.
00:24:12.000 I said it's his second biggest vulnerability going to 24 is the support of the vaccine.
00:24:17.000 Number one is personnel selection.
00:24:20.000 And then number two is the vaccine thing.
00:24:22.000 It's just, it's not just deeply unpopular.
00:24:25.000 It is a majorly personal issue where people feel as if this vaccine isn't just like a bad thing, that it's been poisonous to people.
00:24:34.000 I mean, the German government comes out and they say, again, I want to repeat this, one reported severe reaction per 5,000 vaccine injections, not per 5,000 people.
00:24:44.000 That's the German Ministry of Health.
00:24:46.000 And we've always been told by lefties here, the German healthcare system is the best in the world, right?
00:24:52.000 They got their act together, right?
00:24:54.000 We can't dare question that.
00:24:56.000 So, Steve, I want to ask you just more broadly.
00:24:59.000 The Republican Party now just voted, 47 of them voted to make gay marriage permanent.
00:25:08.000 And Tucker talked about this, by the way, with Bob Vanderplatz, the family leader.
00:25:12.000 There is this growing just chasm between the people and our politicians.
00:25:18.000 Do you feel that starting to tighten a little bit on the Republican side?
00:25:21.000 Why is it that our leaders continually betray us?
00:25:25.000 I think it's a very simple yet difficult conclusion.
00:25:30.000 And for a long time, Charlie, I really thought it was only on the left where magical thinking of accepting realities on the basis of whether it's convenient for me to acknowledge it and not on the basis of whether it's objectively true was largely relegated to them.
00:25:44.000 And maybe for a long time in this country, it was, but when tumors are left unreated, they metastasize.
00:25:51.000 And now a lot of this has seeped into our own barracks here on the other side as well.
00:25:56.000 And I think that a lot of people just don't want to accept.
00:26:00.000 And we come up with a lot of excuses. 1.00
00:26:02.000 It's the evil party versus the stupid party. 1.00
00:26:04.000 It really just comes down to they just don't agree with you. 1.00
00:26:09.000 And I just think that we don't want to accept that.
00:26:13.000 And because the work it will take to confront that, just similar to the conversation we just had, the work it will take to confront that is extraordinary.
00:26:22.000 And it's much easier to look at the cultural hole we're in and just assume that Donald Trump, with the force of his will and personality and Ron DeSantis, with the force of his resume, will just give them the keys to the kingdom and they will be a modern day King Josiah.
00:26:38.000 If you know you're to make a biblical reference, and they'll go the extra mile. 0.66
00:26:41.000 They'll go to the high places and tear down the asher poles and deliver us. 1.00
00:26:45.000 That's not really what government by the consent of the governed means.
00:26:48.000 We are not a monarchy.
00:26:50.000 They are our servants.
00:26:51.000 And I think what's extraordinary is in several areas, both of them actually pushed their base further than their base actually was at that particular time and were successful because of it.
00:27:02.000 But that is not a long-term recipe to political success.
00:27:05.000 The long-term recipe to political success is you are actually more radicalized than your leaders and you forced them there.
00:27:12.000 One of the things that amazed me when I was really trying to first start to build a name for myself when we went national is I agreed to do over 50 appearances on MSNBC as a token conservative.
00:27:23.000 And we debated every topic, gay marriage, like all the divisive ones. 0.99
00:27:27.000 We debated them all.
00:27:28.000 Let me tell you one topic we never debated, Charlie.
00:27:31.000 Never did one roundtable at MSNBC about whether the true lefty was going to win the Democratic primary or whether the Dino would.
00:27:40.000 Just was never a topic of conversation.
00:27:42.000 Didn't come up privately.
00:27:43.000 They didn't sweat out.
00:27:45.000 Primaries were basically your personal preference.
00:27:47.000 Who I have a relationship?
00:27:48.000 Who am I close to?
00:27:50.000 Because they knew whether they got Mary Landrew elected in Louisiana or Diane Feinstein in California.
00:27:54.000 They were getting the same agenda.
00:27:56.000 It didn't matter.
00:27:56.000 That's why they're losing their minds over Joe Manchin in Kirsten Cinema right now.
00:28:00.000 Because they're not used to seeing somebody in their own ranks defy their own base, right?
00:28:06.000 And on our side, we're shocked when the people we elect align with the base.
00:28:11.000 And that's why I often say that the biggest difference between the two parties is that Democrats inspire their base to get what they want, and Republicans conspire against their base to get what they want.
00:28:21.000 That's well said.
00:28:22.000 That's exactly right.
00:28:24.000 And you're right.
00:28:25.000 We have to change it through primaries and through pressure campaigns.
00:28:29.000 I mean, I'm not going to go too far.
00:28:31.000 We could talk about Iowa all day long.
00:28:32.000 I just, why the vote, the, you might not agree with this, I don't know, but why sending $56 billion to Ukraine is like a top concern of one of your favorite people.
00:28:41.000 I went through wholeheartedly on this.
00:28:43.000 I just is unbelievable to me.
00:28:45.000 You know, and here's what we've done.
00:28:47.000 We've destroyed our economies.
00:28:48.000 The EU economy is destroyed.
00:28:51.000 If this is hurting Vladimir Putin, I would really hate to see what enabling him looks like.
00:28:55.000 Exactly.
00:28:56.000 It's been a stimulus check, actually, to the Kremlin.
00:28:58.000 Go get him, Joni Ernst.
00:29:00.000 Yeah.
00:29:01.000 You go declare another war, the GDP size of North Dakota.
00:29:04.000 So, Steve, I do agree.
00:29:05.000 I think the grassroots is fired up, but a lot of people then ask the question: what can I do?
00:29:09.000 I think it's one of the tactics of tyrants to make us feel helpless when in reality, we're not.
00:29:13.000 What are your thoughts?
00:29:15.000 I think we have to get very informed before we start quizzing these candidates.
00:29:19.000 For example, let's go back to the jab for a minute, if you don't mind.
00:29:23.000 Moderna was previously 0 for 9 bringing products to market with mRNA technology in the history of the company.
00:29:30.000 0 for 9.
00:29:31.000 Only one of those products, Charlie, even got as far as human trials.
00:29:35.000 The previous eight failed before they even got to that point.
00:29:38.000 And yet we are expected to believe that out of nowhere, suddenly they stuck the landing on this technology and they did so with a novel coronavirus in less than a year when they spent over 10 years trying to come up with a vaccine to the original SARS and were unable to do so.
00:29:55.000 This is something that I think when you frame questions to those candidates, when they come to your early states, like where I live in Iowa, South Carolina, or New Hampshire, right?
00:30:04.000 Or those Super Tuesday states, frame the question that way.
00:30:07.000 Explain to me how it is possible that they actually got this right in such a short period of time after getting it wrong, nine previous attempts.
00:30:16.000 And could that possibly explain all these adverse effects we're seeing around the country?
00:30:21.000 Don't come at them with just a sentiment.
00:30:22.000 They're coached about how to get around that. 0.98
00:30:24.000 You'll look nuts.
00:30:25.000 Have a very, very specific, very specific question.
00:30:29.000 Well, and so this is such an important point.
00:30:31.000 So when someone asks me, Charlie, what do I do?
00:30:33.000 I say, respectfully, how many town halls have you showed up to recently?
00:30:36.000 They will, I sent my elected official an email.
00:30:38.000 No, no, no.
00:30:39.000 You know that these congressmen, especially, they do town halls all the time.
00:30:44.000 And by the way, no one shows up to them except like three groups of people.
00:30:47.000 People that can't find their social security checks.
00:30:49.000 People that, like literally, right?
00:30:52.000 People that are wondering if they can get like a mailbox renamed or something.
00:30:57.000 And their employees and their staff.
00:30:58.000 That's it.
00:31:00.000 And yet, could you imagine?
00:31:01.000 There's a fourth media matters, but I hear you.
00:31:03.000 Yeah, but I mean, but then these town halls are so boring.
00:31:06.000 By the way, Steve, this is one thing that I think we have not done as well that was done in the Tea Party movement.
00:31:11.000 The Tea Party movement got the town hall thing perfectly. 0.81
00:31:14.000 It was a big part.
00:31:15.000 Remember that?
00:31:16.000 They would show up at these, why are you voting for this spending?
00:31:19.000 They scared the poop out of Charles Grassley back in the day in Iowa when they did that.
00:31:23.000 Yes.
00:31:23.000 And so we did this for the school boards.
00:31:26.000 Why have we not done this for the town halls?
00:31:28.000 And that's a rhetorical question, right?
00:31:29.000 But imagine if every, if Joni Ernst had to confront a voter, why'd you send the GDP of North Dakota to Ukraine?
00:31:37.000 What does success look like?
00:31:38.000 Latitude and longitude?
00:31:40.000 Not some sort of abstract answer.
00:31:42.000 Why is our southern border wide open?
00:31:43.000 Why'd I vote for you exactly?
00:31:45.000 It's how you change the party.
00:31:47.000 I think the biggest thing is too many of our major conservative platforms. have not engaged in this level of activism or encouragement of it and made this a passive or esoteric affair.
00:31:59.000 And our people have sort of been conditioned in that way accordingly.
00:32:03.000 I completely agree.
00:32:04.000 All right.
00:32:05.000 Steve Dace, I wish we had more time.
00:32:07.000 You're welcome anytime.
00:32:08.000 Great fiery commentary.
00:32:09.000 And what you are doing in Iowa is so important.
00:32:12.000 Look them in the eyes.
00:32:13.000 Hopefully record them when you're asking these questions because they need you more than you need them.
00:32:18.000 Because you're parked out in the state that they have to try to get relevancy for.
00:32:22.000 Nikki Haley, all of them are going to be coming to you, man.
00:32:24.000 Hey, let's, can I go on your program?
00:32:26.000 Like, okay.
00:32:27.000 Answer some questions.
00:32:29.000 Be respectful.
00:32:29.000 Might not agree.
00:32:31.000 I can't wait.
00:32:32.000 It's awesome.
00:32:33.000 In Arizona, they don't tend to want to come here as much, but that's okay.
00:32:37.000 Steve Dace, wonderful American.
00:32:39.000 Thanks so much.
00:32:40.000 Thank you, brother.
00:32:43.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
00:32:44.000 Email me your thoughts.
00:32:45.000 As always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:32:47.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:32:48.000 God bless.
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