The Charlie Kirk Show - Created Equal—Justice Clarence Thomas in His Own Words

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00:01:41.000 I've said for quite a while that one of the heroes of our country that gets almost no credit, and he deserves credit, but he almost demands no credit, I should say, is Clarence Thomas.

00:01:52.000 Clarence Thomas is one of the most extraordinary people alive.

00:01:55.000 He is a fighter for liberty and for the Constitution.

00:01:59.000 And we have with us the producers and the people behind the great film that everyone should see, Created Equal, and the soon-to-be released book that I think everyone should check out.

00:02:12.000 And that is Michael Pack and Mark Paletta.

00:02:16.000 Welcome, Mark and Michael, to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:19.000 Thank you for having us on.

00:02:20.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:02:21.000 So, Michael, tell us first about the movie, or actually first tell us about the book that then inspired the movie, and tell us what you have learned from the exceptional Clarence Thomas.

00:02:31.000 Well, so the way the movie came about, it's been about two years since it was released, is that a bunch of people who were friends of Justice Thomas's and knew me were concerned about how the people who hated him and the left were telling his story.

00:02:48.000 So I had not known that much about Clarence Thomas at the time, but after meeting him, you quickly realized what you said in your intro, Charlie, that he's a great American with a great story.

00:02:58.000 And I really wanted to tell it.

00:03:00.000 So after working on the film for a while, I came to the conclusion he should tell the story himself in his own words, that he and Ginny should be the only interviewers.

00:03:09.000 And I interviewed them for over 30 hours over multiple months.

00:03:14.000 You know, more, a longer interview, more access than any Supreme Court justice has ever given anyone in the history of the Supreme Court.

00:03:22.000 And we worked on the film, and it was a two-hour film.

00:03:24.000 It was released first in movie theaters till COVID knocked it out.

00:03:27.000 And then it was nationally broadcast on PBS.

00:03:29.000 And that was then streaming.

00:03:30.000 And it's still streaming for those who want to see it or missed it.

00:03:34.000 It's on Amazon, but it's on Salem and Fox Nation and Newsmax.

00:03:38.000 And you could go to our website, manifoldproductions.com for the full list of where it's streaming.

00:03:43.000 But Mark Paletta, my co-author, you know, quickly felt that there was a lot of good stuff that wasn't there.

00:03:50.000 I always tell the story that as we cut the film down from 30 hours, the first cut was nine hours.

00:03:56.000 And Mark thought that was the perfect length.

00:03:59.000 So he has spent his time since the movie lobbying for something else.

00:04:04.000 And he came up with the idea that we'd do a book based on some of the material that isn't in the film.

00:04:10.000 And as you said, Charlie, the book is 95% new material.

00:04:14.000 And again, unless you hear Clarence Thomas tell his story, you know, they're more or less most of it, except for a few of my questions and Mark's footnotes.

00:04:22.000 They're really Clarence Thomas to talking and telling you about his life and ideas.

00:04:28.000 So Mark, any thoughts on that as we get the conversation started?

00:04:32.000 Sure.

00:04:33.000 You know, I worked on Justice Thomas's confirmation back in 1991 and have been a lifelong friend of his.

00:04:39.000 And, you know, when we met Michael and who was interested in making this film, it was just a perfect convergence of folks who wanted to tell Justice Thomas's story and a filmmaker who can tell it in the right way.

00:04:53.000 And Michael is an extraordinary filmmaker, and we're blessed that he took on this project.

00:04:59.000 And as Michael said, there was just so much being cut away as we were making the movie that it would be a crime, if you will, to not have some of these exchanges sort of get out to the American people.

00:05:10.000 And I thought, you know, people watch a movie and some people, surprisingly here, watch, have watched it multiple times, but a book is something different, you know, and we've organized it in a way that's very, very accessible.

00:05:22.000 So it's chronological through his life, just like the movie, but we've broken it up in a way where you can open up the table of contents and it's, you can look at his life and sort of go to a certain part of it.

00:05:31.000 You can read it all the way through, obviously, but there's other parts where you can look at a chapter and all the subheadings, which we put a lot in, so that it's very accessible and almost like a reference book.

00:05:41.000 And it's something about a book sitting on your desk or sitting somewhere where you can look at it more and just glean Justice Thomas's wisdom and thoughts on things.

00:05:48.000 And that's why I thought it would be a great contribution to get this book out to the American public so they could learn more about Justice Thomas in his 30th year, right?

00:05:58.000 30th year on the Supreme Court.

00:06:00.000 Yeah.

00:06:00.000 So Mark, you worked with him during the confirmation fight.

00:06:03.000 That's a confirmation fight unlike any other, unless you worked on the Borker-Kavanaugh confirmation fight.

00:06:09.000 I'm sure you cover that in detail in the book.

00:06:11.000 I know you mention it in the movie.

00:06:13.000 What can you kind of tell our audience, tease our audience a little bit about that?

00:06:17.000 Because you were there front and center, but I'm sure rehearing it from his perspective, you probably learned new things.

00:06:24.000 I'm not sure I learned new things.

00:06:26.000 This has been a passion of mine in terms of clearing Justice Thomas's, you know, defending his name through all of that.

00:06:33.000 At the end of those hearings, of course, the American people believed Clarence Thomas 58% to 24%.

00:06:38.000 So that means they thought Anita Hill was lying, and that ran across both men and women.

00:06:42.000 But these were these allegations that were last minute that Anita Hill had accused Justice Thomas of talking dirty, essentially, not even, you know, it's sort of sexual harassment, but certainly no touching, all a lie.

00:06:56.000 The Senate Judiciary Committee looked into it.

00:06:58.000 It was then headed by Joe Biden at the time.

00:07:00.000 They looked into it quickly, but thoroughly, spoke to the relevant people and came back and the Senate Judiciary Committee, including Biden, said, there's nothing here.

00:07:08.000 Let's move forward with the confirmation.

00:07:11.000 But then, of course, somebody leaked it and that became the spectacle that became known as the Hill Thomas hearings, where, you know, Anita Hill made these accusations. 0.81

00:07:19.000 Justice Thomas, you know, credibly and firmly denied them.

00:07:23.000 The other witnesses there, 12, not a single person who worked with Justice Thomas and Anita Hill, believed Anita Hill.

00:07:30.000 There were 12 people who testified for Justice Thomas who had been colleagues and said nothing like this happened.

00:07:35.000 Anita Hill's not telling the truth. 1.00

00:07:37.000 She didn't have a single person who testified in her behalf that worked together with them.

00:07:42.000 She had four witnesses, very weak.

00:07:44.000 And I think the American people saw through it because they broadcast it, you know, it was throughout without the filters, right, of the corporate media to tell the story the way they want to tell it.

00:07:53.000 And at the end of those days, you know, the three days of hearings, they firmly believed overwhelmingly that Justice Thomas was telling the truth.

00:08:01.000 The name of the book is Created Equal.

00:08:03.000 Is that correct?

00:08:04.000 The same title as the movie.

00:08:06.000 Is that right?

00:08:07.000 So very quickly, Michael, in the conversations with Clarence Thomas, I mean, he has been under attack relentlessly for years.

00:08:15.000 It seems as if they've never let the Anita Hill kind of drama stop.

00:08:20.000 It's almost like that was the starting point.

00:08:22.000 I believe they hate him because he is a black constitutional conservative and they just don't like that. 0.97

00:08:29.000 I think they consider that, and I'm going to say something they say, a race traitor.

00:08:33.000 How much do you talk about that in the book?

00:08:36.000 Because I know the theme is trying to not focus on race, created equal, but it's hard to ignore with considering how the media almost emphasizes it all the time.

00:08:46.000 Well, it is a lot in the book, and it's a lot in the film.

00:08:49.000 Of course, more in the book.

00:08:50.000 But it's amazing the amount of attacks that he's sustained since he came out as a black conservative during the Reagan administration.

00:08:58.000 It's been relentless.

00:08:59.000 And it's continued on to yesterday and the day before, really, with the attacks on Ginny.

00:09:05.000 But I am shocked, always shocked at how, just as you implied, Charlie, that their left is willing to attack him using racist stereotypes and racist tropes.

00:09:15.000 You know, they depict him in Ku Klux Klan Roves.

00:09:18.000 They depict him as a shoeshine boy to Justice Scalia.

00:09:22.000 They always call him an Uncle Tom and things that they would never say, if you could not say to a progressive black man and get away with it. 0.80

00:09:30.000 And, you know, I'm a conservative and I've been attacked, but really the attacks that black conservatives sustain is really unique. 1.00

00:09:38.000 I mean, it's particularly vicious.

00:09:40.000 I mean, I'm a conservative.

00:09:41.000 No one's ever called me a traitor to my race.

00:09:44.000 You know, they suffer in a different way.

00:09:47.000 And it's very moving to hear Justice Thomas talk about it.

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00:10:39.000 So, Mark, what is one of the takeaways from the book that you think that kind of one of our average listeners or average viewers will take away from reading this book?

00:10:49.000 What do you think will be one of their things that they'll learn that they'll take away that they might not have otherwise known about Clarence Thomas?

00:10:56.000 His amazing life, number one, from Pinpoint George up to the Supreme Court.

00:11:01.000 But as you were talking about before, in terms of, you know, the left requiring him to think a certain way, Justice Thomas really sort of in much more detail than he does in the movie or even in his memoirs, really takes on the left and the destructiveness of their policies and why it was so selfish by the left to insist on policies that don't work, that they don't care about people.

00:11:30.000 You know, we talked about the black leadership and requiring Justice Thomas to think a certain way. 0.84

00:11:34.000 The black leadership is actually out of sync with Black Americans rank and file.

00:11:40.000 Poll after poll on issue after issue, from school choice to abortion to affirmative action to defund the police.

00:11:46.000 And so it's this crazy thing, Charlie, where Clarence Thomas is a threat to them because they have power and they get a lot of money, right?

00:11:52.000 And if you go back to the confirmation, the NAACP did bizarrely oppose Clarence Thomas, but it was at the insistence of the AFL-CIO, a labor union, right, that funds the NAACP, and it provided the basis for both them and the women's groups, the pro-abortion women's groups, to attack Justice Thomas and oppose him.

00:12:14.000 But you really, you know, the movie is beautiful and powerful and it's visual, but the book is going to bring you much more inside the mind of Justice Thomas and how he's talking about issues, contemporary issues, policy issues that are out there, but on his life most especially and the lessons he's learned from these, you know, these years he's been both on the Supreme Court and in the Reagan administration.

00:12:44.000 Justice Thomas's memoirs went up to, they were published in 2007.

00:12:49.000 It's a wonderful book, but it only goes up to the time he went on the Supreme Court.

00:12:53.000 So this book talks to the justice about his judicial philosophy, about some of the cases, about his relationships with the justices like Justice Scalia.

00:13:02.000 So it's a real insight into how the court works, how cases are decided, and some of these important cases that Michael spent a lot of time talking to Justice Thomas about, like Grutter v. Bollinger, which is a race case, affirmative action case with Michigan.

00:13:17.000 But you really get to see the justice taking on his critics and talking about his life.

00:13:26.000 I just think that's so important.

00:13:27.000 America's a freer country thanks to the leadership of Clarence Thomas.

00:13:30.000 There is no doubt.

00:13:31.000 I don't think he gets the credit he deserves, and he doesn't even want it.

00:13:34.000 That's the amazing thing.

00:13:35.000 You know, he writes more opinions per year than any justice on the Supreme Court, three times as many as some of his colleagues.

00:13:40.000 So in terms of that influence and not seeking the limelight, he is out there laying down his vision of the law, originalism that is leading the court.

00:13:48.000 And we're going to see hopefully in Dobbs, where the court is coming around time and time again to Justice Thomas's views on the law.

00:13:56.000 An incredibly persuasive writer.

00:13:57.000 Michael, in closing here, I have to ask you, what does he say in the book in the movie?

00:14:02.000 I've not seen the movie.

00:14:03.000 I've been meaning to, and I encourage our audience to check it out, Created Equal, about him not asking questions very often.

00:14:11.000 What is the reason for that?

00:14:13.000 We talk to him about this in the movie and even more extensively in the book.

00:14:17.000 And it's not too late to see the film.

00:14:19.000 As I said, it's still streaming, you know, Amazon and many other places.

00:14:24.000 If you go to our website, manifoldproductions.com, you could find out how to stream it.

00:14:28.000 And it's not an either-or.

00:14:30.000 I recommend people watch the movie and read the book, which is also available at Amazon and Barnes and Noble's and wherever else books are sold.

00:14:38.000 But he does talk about that at length.

00:14:40.000 And he really feels that each advocate during oral argument gets 30 minutes, and he thinks it's their time.

00:14:47.000 And anything that any justice question or argument between the justices takes away from their time.

00:14:54.000 And he wants to give them a chance to make their case.

00:14:57.000 But maybe more importantly, as Mark was saying earlier, he talks about the process in the court.

00:15:02.000 And we are very focused on oral argument, but this is an appeals court.

00:15:06.000 And that's not the heart of what they do.

00:15:07.000 What they mainly do is write opinions, circulate them, discuss them, where Justice Thomas takes a leadership role.

00:15:13.000 As Mark said, he wrote more opinions than any other justice.

00:15:16.000 He defends them.

00:15:17.000 He talks about them.

00:15:18.000 He has a major leadership role.

00:15:20.000 Many people now call this the Thomas Court.

00:15:22.000 Of course, it's really the Roberts court, but in some ways, he's the intellectual leader.

00:15:27.000 And he just has a different view of oral argument.

00:15:32.000 I do think it's notable that now that during COVID, when it was all virtual and more orderly, Justice Thomas asked more questions.

00:15:41.000 Very good.

00:15:41.000 Created Equal, everyone.

00:15:42.000 Check it out.

00:15:43.000 It's terrific.

00:15:44.000 Justice Thomas, in his own words, I want to just say this in closing.

00:15:47.000 Every parent out there, you need to make sure your child is aware and is educated on who Clarence Thomas is.

00:15:53.000 It's one of the most amazing stories.

00:15:55.000 It really is.

00:15:56.000 Growing up in poverty and becoming a Supreme Court justice.

00:16:00.000 It's extraordinary.

00:16:01.000 Thank you both.

00:16:02.000 Created equal.

00:16:02.000 Everyone, check out a copy.

00:16:03.000 Thank you very much.

00:16:04.000 Thanks, Charlie.

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00:17:03.000 With us is Justin Olson, who is running for Senate in Arizona.

00:17:06.000 I've known Justin for a couple years now, and he was our CFO at Turning Point USA and took a leave of absence to go run for Senate here in Arizona.

00:17:14.000 So, Justin, introduce yourself to our audience.

00:17:16.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:17:16.000 Thank you so much for having me, Charlie.

00:17:17.000 It's a pleasure to be here.

00:17:18.000 As you mentioned, I'm a former CFO for Turning Point USA.

00:17:21.000 I'm running for the United States Senate because I'm just extremely concerned about the future of our country.

00:17:25.000 You know, I've got nine kids.

00:17:26.000 Nine kids.

00:17:27.000 Father of nine kids.

00:17:28.000 And I want to make sure we're passing on a strong and a free country to our kids and our grandkids.

00:17:32.000 And that's why I'm running.

00:17:33.000 We've got to replace Mark Kelly and make sure that we replace him with a proven conservative.

00:17:37.000 And I'm the only candidate in this race with a proven conservative record.

00:17:41.000 So I want to make sure that we don't just beat Mark Kelly, but we replace him with someone who's not going to let us down.

00:17:46.000 We've been let down so many times.

00:17:47.000 I'm the candidate that's defunded Planned Parenthood, defunded Obamacare, voted to ban ballot harvesting, funded the border strike force, balanced budgets, cut taxes, and the list goes on.

00:17:58.000 So that's why I'm running to defeat Mark Kelly and charge up that hill to make sure that we can save our country and pass on a strong and a free country to our kids and grandkids.

00:18:05.000 Yes, so let's talk about the border.

00:18:07.000 I mean, there's been a lot of talk around the border, but very little action.

00:18:11.000 What would be your kind of plan forward as a senator to go after the borders?

00:18:15.000 Yeah, that's going to be my number one priority is to secure our borders.

00:18:18.000 On day one, as your next United States Senator from Arizona, I'm going to introduce a bill to secure our borders.

00:18:24.000 And it's not rocket science.

00:18:25.000 You know, we're going to follow the example that President Trump set.

00:18:27.000 We're going to finish the wall.

00:18:29.000 We're going to make permanent the Remain in Mexico policy.

00:18:31.000 We're going to properly fund the Border Patrol.

00:18:33.000 And most importantly, this bill would put in place a mandatory e-verify requirement for all employers across the entire country.

00:18:40.000 With these simple reforms, we can regain operational control of the border.

00:18:44.000 We can stop this chaos that's happening at our southern border that's empowering the drug cartels.

00:18:49.000 We've actually seen a 134% increase in the amount of fentanyl that's come across our border in the first year of the Biden administration.

00:18:56.000 It's got to be stopped.

00:18:58.000 It's dangerous for our communities and it's a humanitarian crisis for the immigrants themselves.

00:19:02.000 So that's my number one priority and we'll get it done.

00:19:04.000 So you live in the East Valley.

00:19:07.000 You're starting to see probably inflation crush working families as well.

00:19:12.000 What is your view of what is driving inflation?

00:19:14.000 I mean, I think Arizona might be the worst when it comes to inflation in the whole country.

00:19:19.000 Why do you think that is?

00:19:20.000 Yeah, I think that's because we've had a lot of folks moving to Arizona.

00:19:23.000 There's a lot of resources chasing very few goods and services.

00:19:27.000 You know, but the inflation is squarely due to the failed policies of the Biden administration.

00:19:34.000 He took office and immediately shut down the Keystone XL pipeline.

00:19:38.000 He announced that we're going to end drilling for natural gas and oil on public lands.

00:19:42.000 He led an all-out war on natural gas and oil on fracking.

00:19:46.000 And that drove up the price of the pump.

00:19:48.000 This cost of fuel is baked into all of our products that we purchase.

00:19:53.000 And so it is squarely due to the uncontrolled spending in Washington, D.C. That's going to be my priority number two right after immigration is getting control of this runaway inflation.

00:20:03.000 And we can do it.

00:20:04.000 You know, I was elected to the state legislature at a time when we had an unprecedented budget crisis, a $3.6 billion deficit.

00:20:10.000 The establishment said we can't balance this budget.

00:20:13.000 They pass record sales tax increases, record property tax increases.

00:20:17.000 I said, no, you know, we've got to expect more of our elected officials.

00:20:21.000 And I delivered on a promise of saying we've got to balance the budget.

00:20:23.000 That's what we've got to do in Washington, D.C. We've got to stop their reckless spending.

00:20:29.000 We've got to produce more domestic energy. 0.90

00:20:32.000 I fought and defeated the Green New Deal here in Arizona. 0.95

00:20:34.000 I'll do it in Washington, D.C. I've got the proven record.

00:20:37.000 We're going to do it.

00:20:38.000 We're going to fight for our freedoms.

00:20:39.000 We're going to fight for our economy.

00:20:41.000 We're going to fight for ending this runaway inflation and securing our borders.

00:20:44.000 So, you know, right now we have a situation where Republicans are going out of their way to pass red flag laws.

00:20:56.000 Would this even get a hearing with you, or is it just dead on arrival?

00:20:59.000 And why is it justin, so many Republicans go to D.C. and they betray their voters?

00:21:06.000 How many understand that?

00:21:07.000 Yeah, it's happened so many times.

00:21:08.000 I think that it happens because talk is cheap.

00:21:11.000 You know, folks can show up on the campaign trail and they can tell us what we want to hear.

00:21:15.000 And it happens far too many times.

00:21:17.000 We get behind folks, we get excited because they say the right things on the campaign trail in a Republican primary.

00:21:22.000 All the candidates sound the same.

00:21:23.000 They all want to secure the border.

00:21:24.000 They all want to protect the right to life.

00:21:25.000 The Second Amendment, and the list goes on.

00:21:27.000 They get elected, they become part of the problem.

00:21:29.000 They cave to the pressures.

00:21:31.000 They want to become part of the establishment.

00:21:33.000 They want to climb the ranks.

00:21:35.000 You know, that's not me.

00:21:36.000 You know, I'm the only candidate in this race.

00:21:38.000 The voters don't have to take my word for it that I'm going to fight for the Second Amendment.

00:21:42.000 I'm going to fight to secure the borders and end this runaway inflation.

00:21:46.000 They can look and see that's what I've been doing.

00:21:48.000 You know, for my work here at Turning Point as the former CFO to my public service, where I cut taxes, where I balanced budgets, where I earned an A rating from the National Rifle Association, defunded Planned Parenthood.

00:21:59.000 I'm the only candidate with this proven record of conservative successes.

00:22:02.000 So when it comes to these red flag laws, I'm going to fight against them. 0.99

00:22:05.000 You know, we should not be losing our constitutional rights without any sort of due process.

00:22:12.000 And that's what these red flags, red flags are.

00:22:14.000 And I've noticed, you know, Mark Kelly's going to probably vote for this, right?

00:22:17.000 But he's been a little quieter on the gun issue than I would have expected.

00:22:23.000 I mean, his wife was tragically shot and survived, Gabby Gifford's, but gun control has kind of been his thing.

00:22:30.000 It has.

00:22:30.000 Yeah, he's a gun grabber.

00:22:32.000 He definitely is.

00:22:32.000 Yeah.

00:22:33.000 And so it he, but even he has been a little quieter because I think he fears the voters of Arizona.

00:22:41.000 Do you agree with that?

00:22:42.000 I completely agree.

00:22:43.000 You know, he ran as an independent, ran that he's going to be this moderate, and he's been anything but, you know, he's been a rubber stamp for Joe Biden, for Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.

00:22:54.000 And so he's trying to moderate now.

00:22:56.000 But, you know, Kirsten Sinema demonstrated what a true independent looks like.

00:23:00.000 I mean, she protected us from the worst proclivities of the Democrat Party. 0.97

00:23:06.000 Mark Kelly has not.

00:23:07.000 So now he's trying to moderate for the purposes of the election and the expediency.

00:23:12.000 It's not going to work.

00:23:13.000 The voters see through that. 0.91

00:23:14.000 Yeah, I just think Mark Kelly's super arrogant.

00:23:16.000 He's got a ton of money.

00:23:17.000 He's got $50 million.

00:23:19.000 I don't think he believes he has to do the Kirsten Cinema thing.

00:23:22.000 And so let's just kind of talk about the grassroots.

00:23:26.000 A lot of voters are so upset because they feel as if America's decline is self-inflicted.

00:23:33.000 Right.

00:23:33.000 You know, go, you know, if you were to be elected, talk about how the D.C. kind of country club is something that is a problem.

00:23:44.000 And how would you resist being kind of part of that cabal in D.C.?

00:23:48.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:23:49.000 It is a huge problem.

00:23:51.000 I mean, we've seen it so many times, both in D.C. and in Phoenix.

00:23:54.000 I mean, we've been let down by Republicans here at the state level as well.

00:23:59.000 You know, how I resist that, it's never been part of my nature to want to go along to get along.

00:24:04.000 I've been one who wants to cut against the grain, like the great Garth Brooks song.

00:24:10.000 Sometimes you got to go busting in like old John Wayne and have the strength to go against the grain.

00:24:14.000 I mean, that's what I did in Phoenix when I fought for balanced budgets, when I fought against the Obama Medicaid expansion, when our Republican leadership was telling us that we needed to do this.

00:24:27.000 Yeah, so talk about that.

00:24:28.000 Just for our national audience, Brewer was trying to push for it and he pushed against it, right?

00:24:32.000 Exactly.

00:24:33.000 Yeah.

00:24:34.000 The governor, the Republican governor, fought for it and ultimately was successful.

00:24:39.000 I was one of the few who fought diligently to stop it.

00:24:42.000 I was one of the few who fought against irresponsible spending, who fought to actually balance our budget.

00:24:48.000 But I even went beyond that and said, look, you know, Arizonans had been hit hard by the Great Recession.

00:24:53.000 So I passed successful legislation to cut our income taxes, to get the government out of the way so the economy could grow.

00:24:58.000 We got Arizonans back to work after the Great Recession.

00:25:02.000 We followed that same pattern that Donald Trump demonstrated at the federal level to be successful.

00:25:07.000 You know, he grew the economy to heights that we have not seen in the history of the world.

00:25:12.000 You know, that's what we need to be fighting for.

00:25:14.000 That's what I'll fight for in Washington, D.C.

00:25:17.000 But again, I don't just make promises.

00:25:19.000 I've kept them.

00:25:20.000 Voters can look and see I'm the candidate who's grounded in my family values.

00:25:24.000 I'm the candidate who's fought for the freedoms that we all hold dear, both at turning point and in my public service.

00:25:31.000 And I'll do it in the United States Senate as well.

00:25:33.000 Nine kids.

00:25:35.000 That's right.

00:25:35.000 I think that's more than all the other kid components combined.

00:25:38.000 I think that's impressive.

00:25:40.000 So in closing here, Justin, just tell us any other issues that are really driving and motivating you of why you're running, what you seek to fix, what you're hearing from voters.

00:25:49.000 Oh, you know, there's so many issues from the cultural issues, critical race theory, to the damaging indoctrination that's taking place in our schools.

00:25:59.000 But you know what really motivates me more than anything is the fact that the radical left wants to take our country down the path towards socialism, towards communism.

00:26:09.000 They're no longer even try to hide that fact.

00:26:12.000 They're transparent, and we know where that path leads.

00:26:15.000 We've seen every time in history that these principles of big government have been tried, they failed, and they've left a path of destruction and poverty in its wake.

00:26:23.000 And that's where the radical left wants to take our country.

00:26:26.000 I'm running for the United States Senate to stand up and protect these freedoms that made our country great.

00:26:32.000 I'm reminded of what Daniel Webster said in the 1800s when he said, Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the republic for which it stands.

00:26:39.000 For miracles do not cluster.

00:26:41.000 And that which has happened once in 6,000 years might not happen again.

00:26:44.000 So hold on to the Constitution.

00:26:46.000 For should a United States Constitution fail, there will be tyranny throughout the land.

00:26:50.000 I love our Constitution.

00:26:51.000 I love the principles established in our founding documents.

00:26:54.000 And I'm not about to stand by and watch those freedoms erode.

00:26:57.000 Some things are worth fighting for, like America, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

00:27:01.000 And that's why I'm running, to fight back and win and protect these freedoms that made our country great.

00:27:05.000 And how could people support you?

00:27:07.000 What's your website?

00:27:07.000 It's votejustinolson.com.

00:27:09.000 You can go to my website.

00:27:10.000 We're on all the social media platforms as well.

00:27:12.000 We've got a great debate coming up tomorrow with Freedom Works.

00:27:14.000 I encourage folks to watch that and look for those differences.

00:27:17.000 See who's going to be our conservative champion fighting on Capitol Hill.

00:27:21.000 Great.

00:27:21.000 Well, Justin, thank you so much for joining us.

00:27:23.000 We've worked together for a couple years, and I know you're working really hard in this race.

00:27:28.000 So thank you, Justin.

00:27:29.000 Thanks so much, Carl.

00:27:29.000 I really appreciate it.

00:27:32.000 Look, free speech, religious liberty, and the Second Amendment.

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00:29:36.000 I am just fascinated at how successful the alphabet mafia has been at hijacking the Democrat Party. 0.99

00:29:49.000 We know it's happened, but I just, I'm stunned.

00:29:53.000 I'm actually impressed.

00:29:53.000 I'm shocked.

00:29:54.000 I think that we can all learn something at how incredibly successful a radical fringe, degenerate movement, it's like definitionally degenerate, by the way, has been able to overtake an entire American political party.

00:30:14.000 And so I want to play Cut 76.

00:30:17.000 And I've said this before, but repetition is the soul of memory.

00:30:22.000 I grew up in a time, and I'm 28 years old, so it's not that long ago, where politicians on the left and activists on the left, they were so proud and clear about defending women and they could tell you what was a woman.

00:30:41.000 In fact, we went from Brett Kavanaugh being accused by saying, believe all women, to 2022, what is a woman? 0.77

00:30:49.000 Well, listen to this of the wicked witch of the North, otherwise known as Governor Grevin Whitmer, who I think is one of the more sneaky and nasty American politicians. 0.95

00:31:01.000 I do not trust her as well. 0.97

00:31:03.000 Oh, did I call her something else other than, did I call her Grevin Whitmer?

00:31:07.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:31:08.000 Gretchen Whitmer.

00:31:09.000 Sorry.

00:31:10.000 The Wicked Witch of the North.

00:31:13.000 Did I call her Gavin Newsom?

00:31:16.000 They all kind of mixed together.

00:31:18.000 Grendel Whitmer, Gavin Whitmer, Gretchen Whitmer, J.B. Pritzker Whitmer.

00:31:27.000 They all kind of get put into one big bucket.

00:31:30.000 But no, I will say Pritzker is noticeably physically different than Gavin Newsom and Gretchen Whitmer.

00:31:39.000 All right, play cut 76 of Gretchen Whitmer, unable to tell you what a woman is. 1.00

00:31:44.000 She goes to such great lengths to try and not say the word woman. 1.00

00:31:49.000 It's an extraordinary piece of tape.

00:31:51.000 Play Cut 76.

00:31:53.000 So we looked at all the tools that I have as governor and determined that a couple unique things I can do.

00:32:01.000 Number one, I have the constitutional ability to bring a lawsuit to protect constitutional rights of people of Michigan.

00:32:08.000 So I brought a lawsuit on behalf of all the menstruating people in Michigan, 2.2 million, to and another tool I have is to go straight to our state Supreme Court.

00:32:20.000 I brought a lawsuit for her to protect all the menstruation people of Michigan. 1.00

00:32:28.000 Do you know what it reminds me of?

00:32:31.000 It reminds me of Neo at the end of the first Matrix dodging all the bullets.

00:32:38.000 I mean, the calisthenics you have to go through, the mental gymnastics to say, oh, what I'm not supposed to say, that on behalf of all the menstruating people of Michigan.

00:32:49.000 And the reason is that she can't say they're women because not only women can menstruate. 1.00

00:32:57.000 So now the new way that they define what a woman is, is they say menstruating people.

00:33:02.000 That's the new thing.

00:33:03.000 It's coming soon.

00:33:06.000 It's no longer a woman. 0.95

00:33:07.000 It's a menstruating person. 0.99

00:33:10.000 Then why don't you just call them a woman? 1.00

00:33:11.000 Oh, because anyone could be a woman. 1.00

00:33:12.000 Well, then what is a woman? 1.00

00:33:13.000 I can't tell you what that is.

00:33:17.000 And also, just what about older women who can no longer menstruate? 1.00

00:33:21.000 Are they no longer a women? 0.97

00:33:22.000 Woman? 0.96

00:33:23.000 Just asking for a friend.

00:33:25.000 Or younger women that have not yet gone through puberty.

00:33:29.000 Okay, so I want to play this.

00:33:30.000 I'm a big fan of The Matrix, and I think it's really well written.

00:33:35.000 The new Matrix is terrible for a lot of different reasons.

00:33:39.000 The Matrix is what you get out of it.

00:33:41.000 I think it's phenomenal.

00:33:42.000 Play cut 55, one of the most insightful clips from The Matrix.

00:33:46.000 Listen closely.

00:33:46.000 Cut 55.

00:33:50.000 The Matrix is a system, Neil.

00:33:53.000 That system is our enemy.

00:33:55.000 When you're inside, you look around.

00:33:57.000 What do you see?

00:33:58.000 Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters, the very minds of the people we are trying to save.

00:34:05.000 But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy.

00:34:10.000 Have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged.

00:34:15.000 And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.

00:34:22.000 Hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.

00:34:28.000 And they're not ready to wake up.

00:34:32.000 Are you?

00:34:35.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:37.000 Email me your thoughts as always.

00:34:38.000 Freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:39.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:34:40.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 23, 2022

Created Equal—Justice Clarence Thomas in His Own Words

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