The Charlie Kirk Show - Crises Don't Stop for Christmas

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00:02:20.000 We are being invaded every single day.

00:02:22.000 We are being invaded.

00:02:24.000 The cartels are doing some evil, evil stuff. 1.00

00:02:26.000 Joe Biden is a traitor to the United States. 1.00

00:02:29.000 Maorkis is a traitor to the United States. 1.00

00:02:32.000 They're allowing this invasion to occur every single day. 0.62

00:02:36.000 Joining us now is someone who has done reporting and is doing reporting on the front lines, Julio Rosas.

00:02:41.000 I've known Julio for quite a while.

00:02:42.000 Julio, welcome to the program.

00:02:45.000 Fill our audience in exactly what you have been seeing and experiencing on the southern border.

00:02:51.000 Well, I just came back from Eagle Pass last week, and it was the worst I've ever seen it.

00:02:55.000 I mean, Eagle Pass is a very small town.

00:02:57.000 And the thing is that at the start of everything, it was usually one sector that was particularly overwhelmed.

00:03:03.000 And then it would kind of alternate.

00:03:05.000 One month it would be Eagle Pass, another month it would be El Paso and so on and so forth.

00:03:09.000 But recently, and as we've seen through people like Bill Melujin and Allie Bradley, it's multiple areas along the southern border.

00:03:16.000 It's no longer just one sector that's completely overwhelmed.

00:03:18.000 And I think part of the reason why we're seeing an even bigger surge compared to previous years is because these illegal immigrants know that we're heading into an election year. 1.00

00:03:28.000 And we have someone like Donald Trump who's a frontrunner against Biden and his rhetoric and his actions when he was president.

00:03:35.000 A lot of people are thinking that if they don't get in now, they might lose an opportunity to illegally come into the country and kind of skip the line should Trump win the White House again.

00:03:46.000 And so I think this coming year, we're going to see just an absolute total meltdown of the border, even more, which is pretty staggering considering the state that it's been under Biden these past few years.

00:03:58.000 How many people are crossing every day, would you say?

00:04:00.000 And what percentage are males?

00:04:02.000 So, right now, the daily average is over 10,000, which is unbelievable because when you look at what Obama's DHS Secretary said, Judd Johnson, saying that 1,000 crossings per day is a crisis, so we're 10 times that number.

00:04:18.000 And I would say it's about half.

00:04:20.000 About half of them are single adult males.

00:04:23.000 The others are family units or unaccompanied minors.

00:04:26.000 And so, when you have that many people and when you have specifically that group with single adult males crossing and not being deported and being allowed into further within the country, that's why there's no incentive for these groups to stop because people use WhatsApp, they use Facebook, they use all these social media, and they see their friends and family who've already made the journey.

00:04:49.000 And so they think to themselves, well, why not me?

00:04:51.000 And that's why it's no longer just people from Central or South America.

00:04:54.000 We're getting people from all over the world.

00:04:56.000 The furthest country I've ever encountered in terms of someone coming over is from Uzbekistan and Russia.

00:05:02.000 So it's really just a free-for-all for anybody who wants to come.

00:05:07.000 It's not just people in Central America.

00:05:10.000 So what is, if anything, Greg Abbott doing to solve this?

00:05:14.000 Is the Texas government doing anything?

00:05:17.000 They're trying.

00:05:19.000 The issue is that you have a state entity trying to solve a federal problem.

00:05:24.000 And whenever, and we've seen this, right?

00:05:26.000 We've seen whenever the Texas National Guard puts down razor wire or put in containers or Arizona did the same thing.

00:05:32.000 They put shipping containers under the previous governor.

00:05:36.000 The federal government can come in because they are above the state government.

00:05:40.000 They can come in and say, no, you're not going to do that.

00:05:42.000 We're going to let them in and we're going to process them.

00:05:46.000 And unfortunately, the states have really no other choice but to kind of relent to that.

00:05:50.000 So there has been times when the, as we've seen, especially in Texas, there have been times where Border Patrol will kind of say, okay, you know, the Texas State Troopers, you'll handle this, you know, because like we're too overwhelmed.

00:06:01.000 But that makes the Biden administration look bad, right?

00:06:02.000 And that gives kind of an edge to people like Greg Abbott to say, see, we're doing something and they're not.

00:06:07.000 So unfortunately, we've seen the Biden administration kind of really flex their muscle and say, no, the feds are going to take over.

00:06:14.000 We're going to do it our way, even though it makes no sense.

00:06:17.000 So I understand the criticisms with Abbott, and I think that there's some other things that maybe he could try to do to confront it.

00:06:23.000 But at the end of the day, it's you're having a state trying to solve a federal issue.

00:06:28.000 And when the feds don't want to do anything to actually solve it, there's not much people can do.

00:06:33.000 Yeah, so I guess we just have to take an invasion of our country, right?

00:06:36.000 Yeah, I just think it's so unbelievably morally unacceptable for Greg Abbott to allow this to happen.

00:06:42.000 It's just, it's unbelievable to me.

00:06:44.000 So then explain to us the kind of concerted focus that the cartel has here on the southern border.

00:06:53.000 This is an organized operation, right?

00:06:56.000 This is not something that's happening organically.

00:06:59.000 Walk us through the type of activity that the cartel would engage in.

00:07:04.000 So what we've seen with like the caravans, for example, and it's the Mexican government too.

00:07:08.000 So the reason why the caravans even form in the first place is because in Tapachula, which is a city in southern Mexico, that's kind of the first major city that these people are coming into first.

00:07:17.000 And Mexico will hold them for a few months as they process them to give them their own immigration documents.

00:07:23.000 And so, you know, time over time, that number swells up.

00:07:26.000 And so when it's finally time for the Mexican government to allow them to go, that's why we see 15,000, 20,000, 10,000 people at once finally leaving and heading to our southern border.

00:07:37.000 And so then once they start entering into heavy cartel territory, the cartels, I mean, even when we were back in Eagle Pass last week, it was routine at 7 a.m., 7 to 7.30 a.m.

00:07:48.000 That's when we would see a group of like 800, 600 people crossing.

00:07:51.000 And then the same thing around 5.30 to 6.30, that's when we would see another large group cross.

00:07:56.000 And then throughout the day, we get 20s, 30s, tens of people.

00:08:01.000 And that's very, very deliberate because there are people who pay the cartels and smuggling organizations to not encounter American law enforcement.

00:08:10.000 Those are the gotaways, right?

00:08:11.000 And so when you have a consistent number of large groups who are willingly giving themselves up and it ties up all the resources on the American side, the border is wide open for anybody to walk across.

00:08:23.000 And we've seen.

00:08:24.000 Uh, pictures and videos of of people, sometimes armed, just strolling through all these branches in south Texas and there's nobody to intercept them, like they'll see them.

00:08:34.000 The American law enforcement will see them, but there's no, there's nobody to go out and apprehend them, or or they're in an area that's that they're not gonna be able to catch up to them as quickly.

00:08:43.000 So it is a very big national security concern and the cartel knows this.

00:08:47.000 Uh, when we're talking about all the different uh terror suspects that have been apprehended on a consistent basis, the cartels, you know they typically would avoid uh smuggling in those people because they know that if something were to happen and it ties back to them, they know the American government and the Mexican government will come hard after them.

00:09:04.000 But that was before um under Biden.

00:09:06.000 They know that America is weak.

00:09:08.000 They know American leadership is weak.

00:09:09.000 They know that the United States government is not going to pressure Mexico to actually do their job to prevent people from illegally crossing.

00:09:15.000 So from the cartel's perspective, it's just more money because they'll just charge them more as kind of a, you know, just a way like, well, you're more of a risk to us, so we're going to get more money out of you.

00:09:23.000 Yeah, I mean this.

00:09:24.000 This story is, without a doubt, the most depressing story that we cover, because every time I ask people, they just kind of shrug their shoulders like yeah, there's nothing that could be done.

00:09:31.000 We just have to allow 10 000 people to come into the country and if you don't like it, then you know they'll throw you in federal prison. 0.90

00:09:38.000 Is that basically where we're at Julio?

00:09:39.000 We just have to wait to the next election, because no one seems to be doing anything.

00:09:43.000 You know there's lip service.

00:09:44.000 You know barbed wire can't even be put up without some federal judge coming in. 0.98

00:09:48.000 10 000 people a day, a lot of them Chinese and Russians and foreign nationals were obviously being replaced on a daily basis.

00:09:55.000 So there's, there's nothing that we can do.

00:09:57.000 I mean basically yeah, and and that's why this, this next election is uh, is it's you know, I know it's a meme or you know it's kind of uh worn out at this point to say that this election is the most important election?

00:10:08.000 But i'm telling you, this election is very, very important, and especially its outcome, because I I cannot fathom to see if you know, let's say, Biden or you know, a Democrat continues on for the next four years.

00:10:20.000 I cannot imagine what this country is going to look like, because even the sanctuary cities are saying that they're overwhelmed.

00:10:25.000 Even everyone is stretched their limit on just this single issue and doesn't even cover any of the other issues.

00:10:30.000 When it comes to the economy, when it comes to foreign policy um, you know, the country that you and I have, you know, come to grow up in, I mean, it is completely, radically worse off than it was.

00:10:41.000 Uh, you know, starting in 2019 2020 um, so I, I kind of hate to be the bear of bad news again um, but that's just kind of the way that I see it, and I, I really can't imagine how how much better things will be along the border should a Democrat remain in the White House.

00:10:57.000 Yeah, I mean look, in order for Greg Abbott to do it, he'd have to basically say, state of emergency, ignore the federal government, risk federal prison, risk a constitutional secession crisis.

00:11:08.000 I've think, I thought for a while, we're already there.

00:11:10.000 When you're being invaded, you need to have high risk, high stakes.

00:11:12.000 But he doesn't feel that way as a lawyer uh, and it's 10 000 people a day, and our women will be raped and people will be murdered and our kids will be killed by fentanyl.

00:11:22.000 And crime is going up.

00:11:23.000 By the way, we're here in Arizona, crime is going up like crazy right now.

00:11:26.000 So you have these overflow effects right, a lot of them.

00:11:28.000 They get spread all across the country.

00:11:29.000 You might think oh, I live in Michigan.

00:11:31.000 Oh no, they're coming to Michigan too, because then they get flown all across the country. 0.99

00:11:34.000 But all of the second and third and fourth tier effects, our hotels are full of illegals, our airports are full of illegals and they're here to rape our women and to murder us. 0.99

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00:12:51.000 Okay, so some of these numbers are hard to grasp.

00:12:54.000 I want you to think back to Halloween, which just feels like a couple weeks ago.

00:12:59.000 The entire population of Wyoming has invaded the country since Halloween. 0.91

00:13:05.000 That's from now till Valentine's Day, another population of Wyoming will invade America. 0.99

00:13:14.000 So since Halloween, 600,000 people have come into this country illegally and they're not getting sent back.

00:13:23.000 We don't know who they are.

00:13:24.000 They dropped their passports, many of whom have criminal records.

00:13:28.000 We showed the video at AmericaFest.

00:13:29.000 Tom Holman was there and they dropped off all these IDs and Ben Berkwom.

00:13:34.000 I was holding up Chinese IDs, Chinese Communist Party.

00:13:37.000 Julio Rojas joins us.

00:13:38.000 So Julio, do you think that there are sleeper cells and terrorist cells that are coming into the southern border that then could plant dirty bombs, could attack our water facilities?

00:13:49.000 Who are these people and could they attack the American homeland?

00:13:52.000 I mean, our enemies would definitely be kind of foolhardy to not take advantage of that, right?

00:13:57.000 And it's like I was saying before, that the conventional wisdom is like, oh, you know, the terrorist sneaking into our southern border is overblown because the Mexican cartels aren't going to take that risk.

00:14:08.000 But they used to make, so just put it in perspective, they used to make around half, you know, $500 million a year through human smuggling and trafficking.

00:14:15.000 And that was under, let's say, the Trump administration.

00:14:18.000 Under the Biden administration, they turned that into a multi-billion dollar industry for themselves.

00:14:23.000 And that doesn't even include drugs, right?

00:14:24.000 So just through trafficking people alone who are willing to pay a premium dollar to not get caught is more lucrative for them in some areas than drug smuggling.

00:14:34.000 I mean, think about how crazy that is, of how just inverted things have become.

00:14:38.000 And so that is a big concern.

00:14:40.000 I'm very concerned about that.

00:14:42.000 And then when you throw in what's happening within the Middle East, with Yemen and Israel and Hamas, and our continued role over there, yeah, people are going to figure out ways to hurt us and figure out where our vulnerabilities are right now. 0.56

00:14:58.000 And right now, that's our southern border.

00:14:59.000 So I'm not saying it's a foregone conclusion, but when you even have the FBI director, who is not exactly someone that we should trust, but even he's saying that he's never seen such an elevated terror threat against our homeland in recent years.

00:15:13.000 So even people within the Biden administration are saying, hey, with everything that's going on right now, we are at extreme risk.

00:15:20.000 And it's, and then we combine that with the lack of policing in our cities and the over-policing of the federal government when it comes to certain groups that aren't actually threats.

00:15:30.000 It's a bad recipe.

00:15:31.000 It's a bad recipe for us right now.

00:15:32.000 And I'm very concerned, especially now.

00:15:34.000 Like I said, we're heading into an election season.

00:15:36.000 And what 2020 taught me covering all those riots was that, you know, people who want to hurt us, they will do everything within their power to do that.

00:15:43.000 Yeah.

00:15:44.000 And again, you might have this, you know, this vision of like Lupita Manana, right?

00:15:48.000 Like this, you know, woman with her baby and she's coming. 0.91

00:15:51.000 And there's some of that.

00:15:52.000 These are fighting age males, a lot of them, right, Julio?

00:15:55.000 I just want to reiterate this.

00:15:56.000 And you look at these IDs, you look at this is an army.

00:15:59.000 You're being invaded by men that are ready to go to combat.

00:16:02.000 I mean, it's like as if you're trying to, you're trying to staff a UFC training operation.

00:16:08.000 I mean, these are strong, muscular men, and there's a lot of them.

00:16:11.000 Play Cup 24.

00:16:12.000 And the numbers just keep getting worse.

00:16:14.000 Those 12,600 encounters you mentioned, that is the highest single-day total ever recorded, beating the previous record just a couple of weeks ago.

00:16:22.000 And Eagle Pass is just getting completely overrun.

00:16:24.000 Take a look at this video.

00:16:26.000 A contact on the ground there sent us last night thousands upon thousands of migrants camped out waiting to be processed by Border Patrol.

00:16:33.000 I can tell you, I've spent hundreds of days in Eagle Pass over the last couple of years.

00:16:36.000 I've never seen the situation that bad there.

00:16:39.000 Never seen the situation.

00:16:41.000 And by the way, Julio, final thought.

00:16:42.000 Just these are the people that we know of, not the Godaways. 1.00

00:16:45.000 Julio.

00:16:46.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:16:47.000 I've always said that the easiest aspect of the border crisis has been the women and kids who are willing to give themselves up.

00:16:53.000 But the more sinister part and the more worrying aspect are the ones that we don't see.

00:16:57.000 And especially right now in places like Eagle Pass, there is not enough law enforcement to try to handle all those people because they're so busy trying to keep everyone in one place by the international bridge.

00:17:07.000 And so I'm going back to Eagle Pass here in the next week or two.

00:17:11.000 If people want to support my work, they can go to mostlypeaceful.live and support my reporting there.

00:17:16.000 But this is going to be a very big issue.

00:17:19.000 And even let's say a Republican takes back the White House, this is going to be with all the people that have been let in under these four years, it's going to be an issue for a very, very long time.

00:17:26.000 And it's not going to be an easy way out.

00:17:28.000 And that's how they want it.

00:17:28.000 Julio, check out mostlypeaceful.live.

00:17:31.000 Help out Julio.

00:17:31.000 I've known Julio for a long time.

00:17:33.000 Great job, Julio.

00:17:34.000 Thanks so much.

00:17:34.000 Thanks for having me.

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00:18:19.000 Joining us now is Kurt Schlichter.

00:18:20.000 Kurt, welcome to the program.

00:18:22.000 I don't know whether to say Merry Christmas or Happy New Year.

00:18:24.000 We're kind of in between, but nevertheless.

00:18:27.000 Kwanzaa.

00:18:28.000 Yeah.

00:18:28.000 I mean, what about Kwanzaa?

00:18:30.000 That's a real thing that exists.

00:18:31.000 Yeah, Blake is very passionate about the celebration of Kwanzaa.

00:18:35.000 But the second man, what was it?

00:18:38.000 The Doug?

00:18:39.000 He said, happy Kwanzaa.

00:18:40.000 The whole thing's so fake. 1.00

00:18:41.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

00:18:42.000 Okay, so elementary school teachers who are divorced and live with their cats have to have something to celebrate too. 1.00

00:18:51.000 Yeah, it's really, it's really obviously forced.

00:18:55.000 Okay, so you have an uplifting book that we all need for this season called The Attack.

00:18:59.000 It looks really helpful and promising.

00:19:02.000 Look at that.

00:19:02.000 It's great.

00:19:05.000 So walk us through this.

00:19:06.000 Yeah, cheerful.

00:19:07.000 Yeah, walk us through this joyful piece of literature.

00:19:10.000 Kurt, go ahead.

00:19:12.000 Look, after October 7th, I decided that we needed to hear something about what could happen here.

00:19:20.000 And I leverage a lot of the people that I know in government, in the military, in the intelligence community, to vet what I was saying.

00:19:28.000 And what I did is I basically turned a military analysis on the threat that we face.

00:19:34.000 And Charlie, it's scary as hell.

00:19:36.000 We have a wide open border.

00:19:37.000 We have absolutely no control over it.

00:19:40.000 And the enemy is quite serious about causing another October 7th here, but orders of magnitude larger.

00:19:50.000 The attack, it's a novel.

00:19:52.000 It's a standalone.

00:19:53.000 It's not in the Kelly Turnbull literary universe.

00:19:57.000 But it's got a lot of the Kurt Schlichter humor, but not as much as usual because it's very scary.

00:20:04.000 This is a real threat.

00:20:07.000 This is a real danger.

00:20:09.000 And I need, you know, you can write nonfiction, right?

00:20:12.000 You can lecture people.

00:20:14.000 I needed to do a novel because I needed people to be experiencing what was happening.

00:20:20.000 Regular normal people going about their lives and suddenly all hell breaks loose.

00:20:24.000 People in the government, even a president who perhaps isn't all there mentally.

00:20:32.000 It's, you know, I'm very proud of it.

00:20:35.000 And I worked very hard to get it out very quickly.

00:20:38.000 You can pre-order the attack on Amazon.

00:20:40.000 Go get the attack.

00:20:42.000 It'll be actually released on January 8th.

00:20:46.000 And of course, great cover art by everybody's favorite artist, the conservative Sean Salter, Salty Hollywood.

00:20:53.000 Check it out.

00:20:53.000 The attack by Kurt Schlichter.

00:20:55.000 So, Kurt, I would say that the horrific attack on October 7th is definitely one of the top events, not in a good way, of 2023 as we look back on this last year, without a doubt.

00:21:09.000 And the reaction has in some ways been more noteworthy.

00:21:12.000 I'm not saying the attack wasn't noteworthy.

00:21:14.000 I'm talking about in a domestic political way.

00:21:16.000 We've seen college resignation, college president resignations, tons of money being pulled from universities.

00:21:23.000 They're shutting down roads right now.

00:21:26.000 JFK in New York City, you saw protests yesterday, mass arrests.

00:21:31.000 You see the terror levels increase.

00:21:34.000 You see defections of the Democrat Party, of the Democrat base leaving Joe Biden over this.

00:21:40.000 I'm asking you to speculate, but it's an important speculation.

00:21:44.000 How long does this last?

00:21:46.000 Is this a lasting 2024 issue?

00:21:50.000 Is it going to kind of fade away by the summer?

00:21:52.000 What is your gut instinct and what does history tell us?

00:21:56.000 Because we have not really lived through an event quite like this where a foreign conflict, I thought Russia and Ukraine was, but it actually did not divide our politics or our domestic culture war nearly as much as the Israel-Gaza war.

00:22:10.000 Your thoughts, Kurt Schlichter?

00:22:12.000 Well, look, the horrible attacks of October 7th have really shown that there is a giant gaping schism within the Democratic Party.

00:22:22.000 You have half the Democrats who are kind of old school Democrats.

00:22:25.000 They sort of support Israel and oppose mass murder.

00:22:30.000 And then you have kind of the woke left Democrats who are perfectly happy to butcher settlers and colonists who look at this through the lens of cultural Marxism.

00:22:42.000 And that, you know, that's a problem for the Democrats.

00:22:46.000 Republicans, we're pretty much in, you know, we're pretty much opposing, you know, terrorism.

00:22:53.000 Democrats have to embrace it.

00:22:55.000 And you look at somebody like Claudine Gay, the diversity hire plagiarist who is the president of Harvard.

00:23:03.000 And this has helped expose the rot within our institutions.

00:23:07.000 And we're seeing it all over.

00:23:09.000 I think it's going to last.

00:23:11.000 Look, victory has a way of answering questions.

00:23:16.000 The Israelis are not asking our permission. 0.99

00:23:19.000 They're going to go in and they're going to wipe out Hamas, which I'm all for. 1.00

00:23:25.000 In fact, I kind of find it remarkable that they are as judicious about the use of force as they are, because I know American forces would not do that.

00:23:37.000 I think it'd be very hard to walk to a mom in Omaha, Nebraska, and say, yeah, your son got killed because we didn't blow down a building.

00:23:45.000 Instead, we went and cleared it out just in case.

00:23:48.000 I think that'd be a hard conversation to have, and Americans wouldn't fight that way.

00:23:53.000 But the Israelis are going to win. 0.77

00:23:55.000 They are going to destroy Hamas.

00:23:57.000 They have to.

00:23:57.000 You cannot have people living next door to you who promise October 7th after October 7th.

00:24:03.000 And when that victory happens, I think you're going to see a lot of the air go out of this pool.

00:24:12.000 Well, so this is my question, Kurt.

00:24:13.000 And by the way, I'm cheering for Israel 100%.

00:24:15.000 Everyone knows that I'm cheering for civilization, not barbarism.

00:24:18.000 But what I, I just want to, I want to game out one component of this.

00:24:22.000 We could talk about the college part, which I think is interesting, all this.

00:24:24.000 But it feels as if Israel is going to win, praise God. 0.99

00:24:29.000 But then the next step is that we're being guilted in the West to take these Gazan refugees. 0.99

00:24:35.000 This seems to be, but it seems to be more and more of a threat.

00:24:39.000 Is this something you're seeing on the horizon?

00:24:42.000 I just, they're writing op-eds.

00:24:44.000 You have other commentators saying it.

00:24:46.000 Your thoughts.

00:24:47.000 I think it's a hard argument to make, particularly when our border is wide open right now.

00:24:53.000 I think the American people are demonstrating that they are tired of being the refuge of last resort for everybody from a problematic area around the world.

00:25:06.000 And the idea that we're going to invite in a bunch of people from Gaza who are, if you look at their polls, 75% think October 7th was a dandy idea. 0.98

00:25:17.000 They're all for it.

00:25:19.000 That's suicidal.

00:25:20.000 And that's what I talk about in the attack.

00:25:23.000 When you invite people in who literally want to murder you, don't be surprised if they literally murder you.

00:25:32.000 I don't think it's something that can sell.

00:25:35.000 And of course, Republicans aren't going to have any of it at all.

00:25:38.000 But I think there's a substantial number of Democrats who are saying, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:25:42.000 I didn't sign on for this.

00:25:45.000 Okay.

00:25:45.000 I'm kind of liberal.

00:25:46.000 I don't mind spending a little money to help the poor.

00:25:49.000 I want to be a nice guy, you know. 0.95

00:25:52.000 But inviting people in who want to rape and murder you, I think that's a bridge too far for a lot of Americans.

00:26:00.000 No, look, I want you to be right.

00:26:02.000 I just, I see these op-eds that the Israeli intelligence ministers are writing that we have a moral obligation to take in the wonderful people of Gaza.

00:26:11.000 And it's so funny.

00:26:12.000 In the same op-ed, they'll say, they'll write, these people are terrible.

00:26:17.000 We can't coexist with them.

00:26:18.000 And then Danny Dinan says, and therefore the West has a moral obligation to take them.

00:26:24.000 And there's two ways.

00:26:26.000 There's one in the Times of Israel and there's one by Danny Dinan.

00:26:29.000 Now, to be fair, I have received more than a phone call, probably 10, 15, 20 phone calls from people, American and Israeli, saying that's not the position.

00:26:38.000 That is a bad op-ed.

00:26:40.000 The Israeli government is not going to guilt the West into taking these refugees.

00:26:44.000 I'm like, okay, great.

00:26:45.000 I'm glad to hear that.

00:26:46.000 You should probably stop writing these articles then.

00:26:48.000 You should probably stop publishing them in the Wall Street Journal.

00:26:51.000 So then, Kurt, what is to happen with these millions of people?

00:26:54.000 Well, look, the Israelis got to do what the Israelis think they got to do. 0.74

00:26:59.000 We got to do what we've got to do.

00:27:03.000 What's going to happen to those millions of people?

00:27:05.000 I don't know.

00:27:06.000 They're going to suffer for a while.

00:27:07.000 It's called a consequence.

00:27:09.000 I didn't choose it.

00:27:10.000 I didn't, you know, we didn't make this happen.

00:27:15.000 This is the result of a culture that has decided to choose war. 0.91

00:27:21.000 Imagine, if you will, if they had not decided to choose war.

00:27:25.000 They've got prime real estate on the med.

00:27:28.000 They have many intelligent, clever people.

00:27:34.000 The Palestinians, at one time, were among the most educated of the folks in the Arab world, supplied many of their doctors and professors and everything else.

00:27:42.000 They could have turned it into a paradise.

00:27:44.000 They could have turned it into Singapore on the Mediterranean.

00:27:49.000 They chose to turn it into an armed camp and launch attacks from it.

00:27:53.000 And there's a consequence for that.

00:27:55.000 I'm hoping that they make a different choice.

00:27:59.000 But at the end of the day, the consequences of their choices are their own responsibility.

00:28:06.000 We are not responsible for the Palestinians. 0.99

00:28:09.000 I have no moral obligation.

00:28:10.000 You have no moral obligation.

00:28:12.000 America has no moral obligation to care more about the Palestinians than the Palestinians evidently do. 1.00

00:28:18.000 What they need to do is embrace peace, understand that the military, there is no path to military victory for them.

00:28:28.000 Okay, they're kind of the Chris Christie of this.

00:28:33.000 There's just no way.

00:28:35.000 There's no route.

00:28:36.000 Look, and it's harsh.

00:28:40.000 But, you know, the world is harsh.

00:28:43.000 And when you do horrible, horrible things, like turn your entire plot of land into an armed camp and then attack your much stronger neighbor brutally, employing rape, mutilation, and murder.

00:28:58.000 There are consequences.

00:28:59.000 But there is a choice.

00:29:01.000 You know, if they laid down their weapons tomorrow, Israel would make peace and Israel would help them.

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00:30:20.000 So I want to shift gears here for a second.

00:30:22.000 According to one report, they say it's now time to make the patient comfortable in regards to Ron DeSantis.

00:30:29.000 I think DeSantis is an excellent governor.

00:30:32.000 His campaign has been terribly run, and the numbers, I think, speak for themselves.

00:30:37.000 Kurt, where do you stand on this?

00:30:39.000 Your analysis of us now only a couple weeks out from the Iowa caucus.

00:30:43.000 Well, you know, Charlie, tomorrow I actually have an article coming out about the DeSantis campaign, and I disagree with you.

00:30:50.000 I think he's run effectively the only campaign he possibly could, because what he's doing is running against a guy that most Republicans like, even most DeSantis people like Donald Trump.

00:31:04.000 And in fact, most Donald Trump people like Ron DeSantis.

00:31:07.000 They just seem to prefer Donald Trump right now.

00:31:11.000 Now, I think Ron DeSantis has to go to Iowa and maybe he wins Iowa and that maybe changes everything.

00:31:19.000 I don't think it is, I don't think it's time for him to drop out.

00:31:22.000 I don't think it's time for Nikki Haley to drop out.

00:31:24.000 And, you know, he terrifies me.

00:31:28.000 But The problem for a guy like Ron DeSantis in his position is he's got this very popular guy who is being persecuted completely unfairly, disgracefully, and people rally around him.

00:31:46.000 And it's a tough fight to win.

00:31:49.000 I think he's done the only things he can do.

00:31:51.000 I think he's demonstrated he's a great leader, demonstrated competence on the debate stage, gone and done the work building up a ground game.

00:32:01.000 The question is, is that enough?

00:32:03.000 So I don't think there's one weird trick that Ron DeSantis didn't do or one bad move that he did do that suddenly puts him in this position.

00:32:14.000 He was always going to be in this position because Donald Trump's just super popular.

00:32:20.000 The question that a lot of people have: let's say Trump is the nominee.

00:32:25.000 Who do you think that Trump should choose as his vice president?

00:32:29.000 Well, not Nikki Haley, because I'm a lot older than you guys.

00:32:35.000 I've already lived through a couple of bushes.

00:32:37.000 I don't need one in a skirt. 1.00

00:32:39.000 She is the cutting edge of 2004.

00:32:41.000 She is a donor-owned corporate shill.

00:32:46.000 That being said, if she is the vice presidential pick, I'll vote for the ticket. 0.99

00:32:52.000 If she's the nominee, I'll vote for the ticket because that desiccated creepy old pervert of the White House has got to go. 1.00

00:32:58.000 And I will vote for the better of the two choices.

00:33:04.000 You know, there are a lot of good people out there.

00:33:07.000 Obviously, Ron DeSantis could be Trump's pick or vice versa because they're both from Florida.

00:33:12.000 I don't think either would do that anyway, obviously.

00:33:15.000 But there are a lot of great governors out there.

00:33:17.000 There's Governor Huckabee.

00:33:19.000 Governor Reynolds would be an interesting choice for Donald Trump because she supported Ron DeSantis, and that's putting a hand across the aisle. 1.00

00:33:27.000 She's been a terrific governor.

00:33:30.000 You know, I'm a big fan of Rick Grinnell because, you know, there's nobody better on foreign policy.

00:33:37.000 And I think that that would be an interesting dark horse candidate.

00:33:43.000 He'll probably kill me for saying it, though.

00:33:46.000 Look, I think there's some good people out there, but there's also potential to make some very bad choices.

00:33:51.000 I don't think you make a choice on somebody who has not demonstrated a governing record of success.

00:33:59.000 For instance, Vivek Ramaswami, very, very bright guy, has a lot of ideas, but he hasn't shown that he can execute as an executive.

00:34:10.000 Carrie Lake, I like her a lot.

00:34:12.000 I hope she wins in Arizona, and maybe she will. 0.99

00:34:16.000 She has not been, she's not won an election yet.

00:34:20.000 She needs to do that before she becomes vice president. 1.00

00:34:22.000 So I think you look for an established person who everybody in the party can respect because we're going to have to look.

00:34:30.000 This has been a tough primary.

00:34:32.000 The DeSantis people are mad at the Trump people.

00:34:34.000 Trump people are mad at the DeSantis people.

00:34:37.000 And Nikki Haley's off having coffee with a guy from BlackRock.

00:34:41.000 We're going to have to come together.

00:34:43.000 And I think that's a really good role for the vice presidential pick.

00:34:49.000 I think whoever wins needs to pick somebody who's going to help bring everybody together and bring unity, which I am strongly for.

00:34:58.000 Look, I personally support Ron DeSantis.

00:35:02.000 You will not find a more active and sincere and vigorous supporter of Donald Trump or whoever the nominee is.

00:35:10.000 And I think we should all do this. 0.99

00:35:11.000 Never Trump is silly. 0.99

00:35:12.000 Never DeSantis is silly. 1.00

00:35:14.000 It's about winning, Charlie. 0.97

00:35:16.000 I agree.

00:35:16.000 Kurt, God bless you, man.

00:35:18.000 Check out his book, The Attack.

00:35:19.000 Thanks so much, Kurt.

00:35:20.000 Appreciate it.

00:35:20.000 Thank you.

00:35:21.000 Thanks for having me.

00:35:24.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:26.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 27, 2023

Crises Don't Stop for Christmas

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