The Charlie Kirk Show - "Dad, He's in the Locker Room With Us." — Exclusive Interview with Riley Gaines

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Riley Gaines joins the show.

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00:00:02.000 She's been on the show many times.

00:00:03.000 We talk about men and women's sports, the parasitic ideology of the trans agenda, that and more. 1.00

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00:01:16.000 Riley, great to see you.

00:01:17.000 It is a joy to be here.

00:01:20.000 What a movement, really, you and your team have been able to build, and we saw the impact that you've had on November 5th.

00:01:31.000 So, truly a blessing to be here.

00:01:33.000 Just did a bunch of meet and greets with the students, which is the most revitalizing thing.

00:01:39.000 It just reminds me why we fight the fight.

00:01:41.000 So, always a joy to work alongside you.

00:01:43.000 Amen.

00:01:44.000 And, Riley, we're doing more and more on college campuses together.

00:01:47.000 Talk about that.

00:01:48.000 Yeah, well...

00:01:49.000 Gosh, over the past maybe two years, I've been on upwards of 80 different college campuses with Turning Point chapters.

00:01:58.000 So it's, yeah, it's no joke.

00:02:03.000 It's everything from, you know, your traditionally very liberal institutions like Harvard and Princeton and Cal Berkeley, but really everything in between to small, private Christian schools.

00:02:14.000 And so...

00:02:16.000 It's been awesome, especially over the past year, to see just how the reception and the willingness to engage that I have seen personally from students.

00:02:27.000 This whole idea of being a closeted conservative on a college campus, I believe, is certainly fading.

00:02:33.000 And again, largely to thank because of Turning Point and what you guys have been able to do.

00:02:38.000 Well, and so Riley, you got thrust into this fighting for something very simple, female sports. 1.00

00:02:44.000 That should not have men in female sports. 1.00

00:02:47.000 Like, what a concept, right?

00:02:48.000 Not complicated.

00:02:50.000 Where do you think we stand on this?

00:02:52.000 Because, I'll be honest, we're still seeing these maddening stories.

00:02:57.000 We haven't won this battle yet.

00:02:58.000 No.

00:02:59.000 Can you walk through this San Jose State volleyball thing?

00:03:03.000 Give us a state of...

00:03:06.000 Yeah, this feels very timely.

00:03:10.000 Even given this week we saw President of the NCAA, Charlie Baker, testify before the Senate.

00:03:15.000 There were some pretty strong lines of questioning that we saw from Senator Hawley, Senator Kennedy, Senator Blackburn.

00:03:23.000 But the state of things now, you mentioned the San Jose State University debacle that has been ongoing in the sport of women's volleyball.

00:03:32.000 San Jose State, of course, an institution, a university in California, shocker, allowed a man to take a scholarship, a roster spot, a travel spot from a hard-working, deserving female athlete.

00:03:47.000 It became public knowledge that this athlete was a male, and we saw universities begin to forfeit.

00:03:53.000 We saw five universities do so.

00:03:55.000 Utah State, University of Utah, Boise State, University of Wyoming, and University of Nevada.

00:04:03.000 But I want to mention Boise State in particular, because they made it to the Mountain West Conference Championship, which is...

00:04:12.000 Outside of the NCAA tournament, it's the pinnacle of their sport.

00:04:15.000 They were set to compete against San Jose State University, and they decided to prematurely in their season forego a bid for the NCAA tournament when they decided to forfeit against San Jose State, which is incredibly commendable.

00:04:30.000 These girls, they told me, they said, look, you know, we know we're accepting a loss, but it's a loss we're willing to accept on our record because we know some things matter more than victory.

00:04:42.000 So while we have not won the war yet, these are certainly little wins along the way.

00:04:50.000 I don't think we would have seen this same type of—well, we didn't.

00:04:53.000 See, I wasn't willing to forfeit in that way two years ago.

00:04:57.000 So it speaks to, I think, the boldness, how courage begets courage, and how people have had enough.

00:05:03.000 Now, legislatively— Why is this so difficult to even get Republican states to pass laws saying that men should not be in female sports?

00:05:12.000 I think for two reasons mainly.

00:05:15.000 Number one is fear.

00:05:18.000 They're terrified of being called some sort of name or being looked at as being on the wrong side of history because that's what the other side does.

00:05:25.000 They'll say that this is equivalent to the civil rights movement, and if you don't accept trans people in women's spaces, it's equivalent to 60 years ago not accepting black people in white-only spaces.

00:05:38.000 I mean, totally just insane conclusions that they're drawing here.

00:05:43.000 But secondly, I believe it's money.

00:05:46.000 That's fairly obvious, I think, once you start to look.

00:05:49.000 Governor DeWine, for example, of Ohio.

00:05:51.000 Of course, this is a man who has an R by his name.

00:05:55.000 He ended up vetoing HB68, the SAFE Act, which would prevent men from competing in women's sports, and it would also ban these surgical and chemical operations and treatments that children were receiving at the hands of medical professionals.

00:06:11.000 But it came out later that he received $40,000 from Cincinnati Children's Hospital, which is a...

00:06:16.000 A small price to pay, I believe.

00:06:18.000 Yeah, $40,000 to sell out the butchering of kids. 0.99

00:06:20.000 Yeah, it's really sick stuff.

00:06:23.000 But what we've seen, again, whether it's corporate America, whether it's our government, whether it's these academic institutions, it doesn't matter.

00:06:30.000 They don't necessarily follow red or blue.

00:06:32.000 They follow green.

00:06:34.000 And that's been made very clear.

00:06:35.000 And so I think they'll continue to go where the free market goes.

00:06:38.000 And so if we, the people...

00:06:40.000 If we continue to loudly say no, enough is enough, in due time, I believe they'll be forced to listen.

00:06:48.000 And it really begs the question, what is the purpose of female sports? 1.00

00:06:53.000 And they cannot answer that question.

00:06:55.000 Well, they can't say what a woman is, but that's a correlated type of question. 1.00

00:07:00.000 Why do we have female sports in the first place? 1.00

00:07:03.000 Well, that's it.

00:07:04.000 And they haven't been able to answer this question.

00:07:08.000 You don't have women's sports when you allow men into them. 1.00

00:07:11.000 You don't have women's prisons when you're allowing men into these prisons. 1.00

00:07:15.000 Women's sororities, I know you've had on your show a few times, actually, the girls at University of Wyoming who were a part of the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority, but they were promised sisterhood and they got the brother they never wanted.

00:07:29.000 But it's on a sorority at that point.

00:07:31.000 There is no such thing as a women's only space if you allow men into it. 1.00

00:07:37.000 And it's the same thing with, I mean, you can ask ourselves why we have any category, right?

00:07:43.000 Imagine how insane it would be if you had an 18-year-old playing with the 12 and unders. 1.00

00:07:47.000 Or maybe I should just identify as 65 years old and start collecting Social Security.

00:07:52.000 Sounds kind of fun.

00:07:53.000 Maybe I'll do that.

00:07:55.000 And what we find is that when there's opposition to this, The people are totally against this idea of men and female sports, which is just one element of the trans agenda.

00:08:05.000 And I think you all understand that.

00:08:07.000 There's multiple elements.

00:08:08.000 One element is the child mutilation.

00:08:10.000 One element is the men and female sports.

00:08:12.000 And part of men and female sports is also locker rooms, spaces. 0.91

00:08:15.000 And here's what's so sick about it.

00:08:18.000 When Riley was competing for the national championship, she had to, by force, undress next to a man because his feelings and his perversion... 1.00

00:08:29.000 And his autogynephilia, which is a whole separate psychological problem, was far more important than Riley's privacy or young girls' privacy.

00:08:39.000 Why are dads putting up with this?

00:08:41.000 Like, why are parents allowing this to happen time and time again?

00:08:45.000 When are dads of this country gonna stand up to these perverts and these freaks and say, no, actually, you can't do this to my daughter?

00:08:51.000 There's a lot of fingers to point.

00:08:53.000 You could point a finger at the NCAA. You could point a finger at the federal government.

00:08:58.000 You could point a finger at the International Olympic Committee.

00:09:00.000 But I truthfully believe there's a finger to be pointed back at parents.

00:09:04.000 I'm very fortunate.

00:09:05.000 I'll say I have a dad who played professional football.

00:09:09.000 He was in the NFL. He's an SEC Hall of Famer.

00:09:12.000 He's maybe at one point used to be big and strong.

00:09:14.000 Now he's kind of just fat.

00:09:16.000 But my dad is your traditional...

00:09:22.000 Manly man.

00:09:23.000 And I will never, ever forget.

00:09:24.000 We knew we were going to be competing against this man.

00:09:28.000 We found out about three weeks before the competition, but we didn't know we were going to be sharing the locker room, so the first time we became aware of this was when we were...

00:09:36.000 Inches away from this 6'4 man who was fully undressed, fully intact, fully exposing himself, inches away from where we were simultaneously fully unclothed.

00:09:47.000 And I remember, of course, I just felt so violated and humiliated and it's embarrassing, it's awkward, it's uncomfortable.

00:09:53.000 I immediately left the locker room and I called my dad.

00:09:56.000 And I said, Dad, he's in the locker room with us.

00:09:59.000 And he told me, he said, Riley.

00:10:01.000 You know, because they don't let fans, which are really just the parents, or spectators on the pool deck, you have to have special credentials.

00:10:08.000 And so he told me, he said, you're going to come open this side door.

00:10:12.000 I'm going to act like I'm your university's bus driver, and I'm going to come in there and handle that, you know, myself.

00:10:17.000 To which I had to say, Dad, we already have...

00:10:20.000 I totally would have done that.

00:10:21.000 Are you kidding me?

00:10:21.000 I said, Dad, we already have one man in the locker room.

00:10:24.000 We don't need two.

00:10:27.000 My dad absolutely would have ended up in an orange jumpsuit because I have a phenomenal dad.

00:10:32.000 Because I have a dad who I'm so fortunate for both of my parents, really.

00:10:37.000 I largely accredit my leadership to my parents, for sure.

00:10:43.000 So I'm very blessed.

00:10:44.000 This is not an exaggeration.

00:10:45.000 What he's doing is a crime.

00:10:47.000 It's a crime to go into another locker room and peep and look at somebody else changing.

00:10:53.000 We have laws against this, literally.

00:10:55.000 If a man were to all of a sudden, like, oh, there's a hidden camera looking at women changing, oh, that's wrong.

00:11:00.000 But if he says he's a woman, that's progress. 1.00

00:11:03.000 To go see the exact same thing.

00:11:06.000 And I know, actually, Riley came on my show and I said something.

00:11:09.000 What did I say?

00:11:09.000 That we need to handle this the way we did in the 1950s or something?

00:11:13.000 And the whole media lost their mind on it.

00:11:15.000 I guess what I'm getting at, though, I think we're finally turning the corner, but I'm sure you guys agree with me.

00:11:21.000 That the men of this country need to not put up with this anymore, actually.

00:11:25.000 And we need to defend women from this injustice. 1.00

00:11:29.000 But I largely think we have to blame the feminist movement for men not speaking up in the way that I think most women now would appreciate.

00:11:40.000 We've emasculated.

00:11:42.000 I say we.

00:11:42.000 Again, I mean the traditional feminist movement.

00:11:44.000 They've emasculated men, telling them, you know, no uterus, no opinion. 0.57

00:11:48.000 This is a woman's issue. 1.00

00:11:49.000 We don't need you.

00:11:50.000 And so now men, I think, are viewing this in particular as it's women who are being more adversely.

00:11:54.000 It impacts all of humanity, but women and children who are more adversely affected by this.

00:12:00.000 And they're looking at this as it's a woman's issue. 0.99

00:12:02.000 And so they have stepped back and they said, look, you know, you made your bed lie in it.

00:12:06.000 I will be the first person to say this will take every single one of us.

00:12:11.000 Old, young, white, black, gay, straight, man, woman, doesn't matter. 0.60

00:12:14.000 Forget every identity factor.

00:12:16.000 It will take every single one of us to ultimately combat this movement.

00:12:21.000 It's so sick.

00:12:21.000 I will say, though, I want to talk about politically, then I want to get to some questions.

00:12:24.000 I think that the Democrats have given us a gift where someone who's not political looks at this, and it's so deeply unpopular.

00:12:33.000 I'm sure you guys have people in your family that say, oh, come on, no, men aren't competing in female sports. 1.00

00:12:37.000 Oh, they are.

00:12:38.000 And by the way, Riley and I and many others during the Olympics said, hey, this guy's a dude who's boxing.

00:12:45.000 And remember, all the trans people said, oh, no, it's not. 0.75

00:12:47.000 Turns out, what was the conclusion of that, Riley?

00:12:49.000 It turns out this is a man.

00:12:52.000 Who won the gold medal, the Olympic gold medal.

00:12:54.000 I'm just going to use the exact scientific verbiage that this medical report released.

00:12:59.000 It was a man who has no uterus, male levels of testosterone, and quite literally, again, what the report says is just he has a micropenis.

00:13:10.000 Like, how embarrassing.

00:13:12.000 And this man won gold for Algeria.

00:13:15.000 I think it was Algeria.

00:13:16.000 For Algeria.

00:13:18.000 And help me understand the psychology of...

00:13:22.000 A person, and I'm not picking on this woman because I'm sure she got bullied, but this woman, remember what happened in that boxing match in the Olympics? 1.00

00:13:30.000 She fought her best for 20 seconds, got slammed, started crying, basically forfeited, and then she went and apologized to the man, saying, I'm so sorry I ever spoke out against you.

00:13:42.000 You have every right to beat the crap out of me.

00:13:46.000 Where does that come from?

00:13:48.000 Where I'm going to thank you for beating me up.

00:13:51.000 And apologize for being mad about it.

00:13:54.000 It's wild.

00:13:54.000 And they do this under the cloak of being progressive, indicating we are moving in the positive forward direction.

00:14:00.000 Make no mistake, this is deeply regressive and utterly misogynistic.

00:14:06.000 So this woman, Angela Carini is her name from, I believe, from Italy.

00:14:10.000 My heart broke for her watching this fight.

00:14:14.000 Yeah, she made it all of, I mean, not even one round. 0.88

00:14:17.000 Had to step down, crying.

00:14:18.000 She said she'd never been punched with force like that in her entire life.

00:14:22.000 Initially took the approach of saying, hey, I think this is wrong.

00:14:25.000 But within 24 hours, totally recanted, reverse force.

00:14:29.000 But where does that come from?

00:14:29.000 Why did she recant?

00:14:30.000 What pressure was she getting and from who?

00:14:32.000 I think it's because our society labels us.

00:14:34.000 You fall into either one of two boxes.

00:14:36.000 You are either oppressed or you are the oppressor.

00:14:40.000 And we have learned, we've been told, that there is nothing worse than being the oppressor.

00:14:45.000 And I believe that she was made to feel that she, in some way, in some roundabout way, had oppressed just for daring to...

00:14:53.000 Daring to even question out loud what we both, and many people around the country, and probably most people in this room knew to be true the entire time, that this was a man.

00:15:04.000 It was obvious.

00:15:04.000 It's obvious in the way that, of course, his physical appearance, he had been banned from world championships previously for failing the sex eligibility requirement, which was merely to just have two ex- He and this other man had failed, but no.

00:15:19.000 They were awarded shiny gold medals for this endeavor.

00:15:25.000 And President Trump has said that when the Olympics are in Los Angeles, and he will be president, he's not going to allow it to happen.

00:15:30.000 We're not going to allow men to win Olympic gold medals on American soil. 0.99

00:15:34.000 Not going to happen.

00:15:35.000 We're not going to let that happen.

00:15:37.000 We're not going to do the ceremony.

00:15:39.000 America will say, sorry, we're the host of these Olympics.

00:15:41.000 We're not going to do this.

00:15:41.000 You're disqualified.

00:15:42.000 What are you going to do?

00:15:43.000 IOC. Sanction us?

00:15:43.000 We'll tariff you.

00:15:45.000 Right?

00:15:45.000 I mean, come on.

00:15:46.000 We're not going to do that.

00:15:47.000 And by the way, President Trump totally would.

00:15:48.000 He'd slap on a 10% dude tariff or something.

00:15:53.000 And by the way, that's masculine energy responding to feminine weakness. 1.00

00:15:58.000 That's it.

00:15:58.000 I'm talking about feminine energy to its toxic extreme that allows the entire society to be run over.

00:16:06.000 You need a balance of the masculine and the feminine.

00:16:09.000 But at its worst, toxic femininity is that you can never stand up to disorder, that you just always must be compassion and feelings, and that no matter what, you can't be disagreeable.

00:16:19.000 Sit down, shut up, and obey. 0.98

00:16:21.000 And I think we've all been missing that.

00:16:23.000 Kind of strong male energy for quite some time.

00:16:26.000 So Riley, let's talk more about the trans thing and then I want to get to some questions.

00:16:30.000 You go on campuses, you talk about this topic amongst other things, but the sports topic necessitates the trans topic in general.

00:16:38.000 I'm sure it's been eye-opening for a lot of you.

00:16:40.000 Again, we never asked for this trans topic to be like a top issue.

00:16:43.000 A lot of you are probably like me.

00:16:44.000 You want to wear a dress in your living room and you're an adult.

00:16:47.000 I guess that's fine.

00:16:47.000 It's weird, but it's not going to be my concern.

00:16:50.000 They were always framing it as if it's a live and let live issue.

00:16:52.000 Instead, it's a live and let us rule over you issue.

00:16:56.000 It's a live and let us be in charge of your life issue.

00:16:59.000 That you must use their pronouns.

00:17:01.000 You must allow them to go after your children.

00:17:04.000 You must allow them to do surgery against children.

00:17:06.000 Riley, I think that the American people are turning against this trans zealotry.

00:17:11.000 What do you say?

00:17:13.000 Absolutely, 110%.

00:17:13.000 That's been made very clear, again, by what we saw on November 5th.

00:17:17.000 Even if you watched some of these debates, especially some of the Senate debates, one, I remember watching Senator Cruz against Colin Allred.

00:17:27.000 Me, being very tuned in, of course, to the topic, I already knew that Colin Allred had voted four times in favor of allowing men into women's sports, but I watched him on that debate stage, of course, from the state of Texas, and he stands up there and word for word, verbatim, He was asked about this topic and he says, I'm a Christian.

00:17:46.000 I'm a father.

00:17:47.000 I don't support these ridiculous ideas.

00:17:49.000 So that's what we will begin to see.

00:17:52.000 We will begin to either see people slowly start to distance themselves.

00:17:57.000 That's why we saw, of the four national debates that we had, notice the gender ideology movement wasn't brought up a single time.

00:18:03.000 Kamala Harris never had to attest to her despicable, criminal voting record and advocacy that she has done on behalf of... 0.84

00:18:13.000 Ridding parents of their parental rights, the safeguarding of children, and, of course, what she has done to women. 1.00

00:18:20.000 So you will see people start to distance themselves slowly, like AOC, removing her pronouns from her bio.

00:18:26.000 Or you will see people begin to double down on this insanity, which we've seen some people like Joy Reid and Jamel Hill and, you know, those goblins on The View.

00:18:40.000 But in doing that, it just shows they learned nothing from November 5th, because to your point, the American people reject absurdity.

00:18:49.000 That was made very, very clear, and I agree with you, Charlie, in the sense that, truthfully, we should all be signing and sending a thank you note.

00:18:58.000 To Will Thomas.

00:18:59.000 Because he propagated this conversation that many, many Americans saw, realized they disagreed with, didn't want this to happen to their daughters, even if they were, I mean, people who call themselves lifelong liberals, people who are a part of the LGBTQ community in some form or fashion.

00:19:16.000 They reject this as well.

00:19:18.000 And so...

00:19:20.000 Only to really be used for our advantage, but I believe it's up to us to hold our leaders' feet to the fire, make sure they do what they say they're going to do, because if we don't, if the people here in this room, if we don't, then who in the world will?

00:19:35.000 And let's just talk for a second here, and then I want to get some audience questions.

00:19:38.000 The children aspect.

00:19:40.000 I don't think America would be as fired up about this topic if it was just adult-centric.

00:19:45.000 I think there are some moral challenges because actually yours, this is why it's not just children, because Riley's situation was adults.

00:19:52.000 These were all people over the age of 18. So we can't allow the framing to be an only minor-centric framing, which is the way that some people are trying to do in our political discourse.

00:20:00.000 However, the most grotesque aspect of the trans agenda is what they're doing with children. 1.00

00:20:05.000 We had Chloe Cole with us on the program, where she was a detransitioner. 0.96

00:20:10.000 There are thousands like her. 1.00

00:20:11.000 She was lied to.

00:20:13.000 She was given Lupron surgery.

00:20:14.000 She is a detransitioner. 1.00

00:20:16.000 She'll never be able to get back to her form. 0.97

00:20:18.000 She's a disfigured human being. 1.00

00:20:20.000 We have these gender clinics across the country, in Houston, all across California, in Illinois, in Boston, where we are the disgrace of the world. 1.00

00:20:32.000 We are the most radical on the medical mutilation of children without parental consent.

00:20:38.000 We are the leader.

00:20:39.000 We are the world's leader on this awful program.

00:20:42.000 Riley, what is the state of that butchery?

00:20:44.000 Well, about 25 states have passed some sort of law that ultimately prevents this from happening to minors and criminalizes the actions that doctors are taking to pursue this, which it's having some difficulty being enforced to even look at what's happening in Texas, where a couple of whistleblowers have come forward and said, hey, our Texas Children's Hospital is still performing these.

00:21:07.000 So about half the states have taken actions to prohibit this, at least in some capacity.

00:21:14.000 But what needs to happen is the passage of federal legislation to prevent this.

00:21:19.000 And I'll second that.

00:21:21.000 Beyond the legislation, which we need to get Congress, day one, this is one of my little pet portfolio projects.

00:21:26.000 I got like six or seven of them.

00:21:28.000 Like pardons for J6ers, you know, Ross all bricked out of prison. 1.00

00:21:31.000 And then this is like one of my six things I care about, which is as soon as possible, day one, day 10, I don't care, but very quickly, DOJ needs to launch criminal investigations into every single gender-affirming care clinic across the country. 0.57

00:21:43.000 We need the DOJ to...

00:21:47.000 Release all charges against Dr. Ethan Heim from the Houston Children's Hospital who was under indictment for blowing the whistle.

00:21:54.000 We need federal whistleblower protections at HHS that have all of the data of how many kids are actually being butchered. 0.57

00:21:59.000 We need criminal investigations into the insurance companies that are fraudulently doing reimbursements for surgeons that are doing this against state law.

00:22:07.000 And then finally, and then most critically, is that the federal government needs to use its civil division to go find all these detransitioners and go after the companies and the hospitals that have done it. 0.91

00:22:16.000 We need to make it.

00:22:29.000 We need to take a page out of the playbook of the tobacco companies of how we went after them and do the exact same thing with gender mutilation.

00:22:36.000 Be like, this is too expensive, too risky.

00:22:38.000 I might go to jail.

00:22:39.000 I'm not touching it.

00:22:40.000 We need to make it so toxic that a surgeon would never think to touch a child again in this country.

00:22:45.000 And then, I think Bobby Kennedy will be able to do this at HHS, if you are prescribing Lupron, which, by the way, is a chemical castration agent that was labeled so extreme that rapists in prison are not even allowed to take Lupron anymore.

00:22:58.000 The ACLU sued and won, saying that Lupron was too extreme for a rapist in jail because it literally just castrates your entire body.

00:23:06.000 We give that to 12-year-olds now.

00:23:08.000 Without parental consent, with a 30-minute meeting with a psychiatrist.

00:23:11.000 30-minute meeting.

00:23:12.000 You can get Lupron.

00:23:13.000 30-minute meeting.

00:23:14.000 Oh, I think you're this, whatever, so on and so forth.

00:23:17.000 When you're 12, we don't allow tattoos.

00:23:19.000 We don't allow voting.

00:23:20.000 We don't allow you to drive a car or own a gun.

00:23:24.000 When you're 12, but we allow you to do disfiguration and irreversible damage.

00:23:28.000 It goes against everything that we know to be true.

00:23:30.000 And so the Trump administration can do a lot in this space that I will be personally pushing for.

00:23:34.000 Let's do some questions, Daisy.

00:23:36.000 Let's do as many as possible.

00:23:37.000 And you guys just have at least the preview for your new documentary just came out.

00:23:45.000 It's called Identity Crisis.

00:23:46.000 The Daily Wire will be streaming, and I think it will be on X on January 10th for free streaming for about three days before it goes to Daily Wire+.

00:23:54.000 But there are some remarkable—and I say that word, of course, not meaning these are great things happening, but remarkable from the standpoint of— Totally mind-blowing stories from girls, from boys, from medical providers, from whistleblowers, across the board, about this movement, the harm that it's having, the severity of it, the trajectory of it, and what we can do to stop it.

00:24:20.000 So again, that's Identity Crisis on X on January 10th.

00:24:23.000 And part of the hope, and I talked to Ben Shapiro about this yesterday, is we want to build so much consensus that this new Trump administration will see this video, will see this movie.

00:24:33.000 and act upon it in the first couple of weeks.

00:24:36.000 The question is, and thank you, what were the Democrats thinking when they pushed this issue and thinking that we would just roll over?

00:24:43.000 Riley, you go first.

00:24:44.000 Well, to answer pretty frankly, they weren't thinking.

00:24:49.000 But I believe COVID kind of set the precedent.

00:24:51.000 I believe COVID almost expedited this movement.

00:24:55.000 Being on a college campus during all of this, during the COVID pandemic, what that looked like for us, and then kind of the introduction of this movement, I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of, I think that's when...

00:25:07.000 The tentacles of the establishment, whether, again, that be academia, what have you, whatever that may be, corporate America, the media, even seemingly our spiritual leaders, unfortunately, I believe that's when they realized that they could control us.

00:25:21.000 They realized, look...

00:25:23.000 We're telling these people what to do and they're doing it.

00:25:25.000 We're telling these people what to think, how to act.

00:25:27.000 We're telling them that this vaccine is mandatory and they're getting it.

00:25:30.000 They don't have any basis.

00:25:31.000 They don't have any knowledge.

00:25:32.000 It's proven itself, at least at this point, to be ineffective, under-researched, and they're still going through with what we're telling them to do.

00:25:40.000 There are no limits here.

00:25:42.000 So I believe COVID was almost like this social experiment that the American people failed.

00:25:47.000 And from that, they learned we are sheep.

00:25:53.000 Truthfully.

00:25:53.000 And I will say, the Democrats are at least the portion of their coalition that believe in the trans agenda.

00:26:00.000 This is ideologically driven.

00:26:02.000 They believe in this with religious fervor.

00:26:04.000 Riley will agree.

00:26:05.000 There is no joking about the trans movement for their firm believers. 0.99

00:26:08.000 And it goes to a post-modernist worldview that I am whoever I want to be.

00:26:13.000 That nature is not as it's inherited, is that we can kind of make our own being, our own man.

00:26:20.000 We are God, and there is not a God above us.

00:26:22.000 And it is incredibly treacherous when you start to go down that line of thinking.

00:26:27.000 And so when I go to these college campuses, I ask the fundamental question.

00:26:30.000 You guys have seen the videos.

00:26:31.000 It's been viewed a lot.

00:26:32.000 What is a woman? 1.00

00:26:33.000 They can't answer that question.

00:26:35.000 Because, and they'll say, well, a woman is something that identifies as a woman. 0.75

00:26:38.000 Of course, that's circular reasoning, right?

00:26:40.000 It's like saying a camera is something that looks like a camera.

00:26:42.000 But they can't give an objective definition because they don't believe in objectivity.

00:26:46.000 They believe in subjectivity.

00:26:48.000 They believe that you can be whatever you want to be whenever you want to be it, and if you want to be it, it's fine, and who am I to judge?

00:26:53.000 And we all know where that leads.

00:26:54.000 Moral confusion, chaos, disorder.

00:26:56.000 Yes.

00:26:56.000 Yes, ma'am.

00:26:57.000 My name is Lily, and I'm from Idaho, and my question is, why do people want to be trans? 1.00

00:27:03.000 Yeah, that's a great question.

00:27:05.000 So not everyone who is trans actually wanted to be, but some people who are trans do want to be.

00:27:09.000 And that actually needs to be said, that it is a social contagion for a lot of young people.

00:27:14.000 Okay, I could spend a lot of time on this.

00:27:16.000 I'll do the best I can in a short period of time.

00:27:19.000 Transgenderism is a symptom. 1.00

00:27:22.000 It is not a root cause.

00:27:25.000 Transgenderism, especially with young people... 0.99

00:27:27.000 Is almost always, there's almost never been a documented case that has been aware of from Dr. Miriam Grossman to Dr. Jordan Peterson that have looked at the scientific literature without other underlying issues such as depression, bipolar schizophrenia, generalized anxiety disorder, so on and so forth.

00:27:42.000 So for example, if I told you I have a fever and you're a clinician, that tells you nothing.

00:27:48.000 That is a symptom.

00:27:49.000 It could be that my appendix burst.

00:27:51.000 It could be that I have COVID. It could be that I have the flu.

00:27:54.000 It could be that I had food poisoning.

00:27:56.000 You could spike a fever for 500 different reasons.

00:27:58.000 So we can't get down to the root cause.

00:28:00.000 Transgenderism is an expression of an undiagnosed root cause. 1.00

00:28:04.000 It could be trauma.

00:28:05.000 It could be the most common thing that's happening because 75% of all people that transition under the age of 18 are female.

00:28:10.000 75%.

00:28:11.000 This is a dominated female issue. 1.00

00:28:13.000 The biggest issue is what?

00:28:14.000 Puberty anxiety.

00:28:15.000 That's it.

00:28:16.000 It's puberty anxiety.

00:28:18.000 It's people that do not feel comfortable in their own bodies that are either bullied, tormented, do not have a strong father figure in their life.

00:28:24.000 Vast majority of young women who transition do not have a strong father figure in their life.

00:28:28.000 And they're looking for social confirmation and status.

00:28:30.000 And where do they go?

00:28:31.000 They go to social media, of which there are lots of cliques and lots of communities that are built to try and groom and find.

00:28:38.000 The young women that are currently experiencing puberty anxiety and bring them through a system.

00:28:43.000 Oh, you feel like this?

00:28:44.000 This is why.

00:28:45.000 Maybe you're actually a boy.

00:28:47.000 And then, without any sort of underlying diagnosis, what is a clinician trained to do in the gender-affirming care?

00:28:54.000 Well, it's in the title.

00:28:55.000 They affirm.

00:28:57.000 Who goes to the doctor to be affirmed?

00:28:59.000 No one.

00:29:00.000 You go to the doctor to get better.

00:29:02.000 Not to be affirmed.

00:29:04.000 We should be saying, no, no.

00:29:05.000 Are you sure you're actually a boy?

00:29:06.000 Maybe let's just wait a little bit.

00:29:08.000 The way that this used to work, and it worked, was called watchful waiting.

00:29:12.000 Oh, you say you're a boy?

00:29:13.000 Let's wait a year before we actually put you on any drugs.

00:29:15.000 And almost 99% of all the cases clear up.

00:29:18.000 And we see this.

00:29:19.000 And school district after school district that when there's two trans girls, there soon is eight trans girls, and then there's 16 trans girls and 32 trans girls. 0.86

00:29:26.000 It grows like a social contagion.

00:29:28.000 And young ladies fall prey to this because young ladies are far more likely to cut themselves, be part of golf cult groups, be part of groups of which there are a social type aspect to feel as if you are fit in because young women, as they are built in the natural design, are far... 0.94

00:29:42.000 Less likely to be disagreeable and want to be more agreeable in friend groups and communities.

00:29:48.000 And therefore, they're more willing to conform to whatever the zeitgeist or the spirit of the times is.

00:29:52.000 So a lot of these young ladies feel pressured into the trans thing because they think it's who they actually are. 0.99

00:29:58.000 And that is why it's so evil what we are doing.

00:30:00.000 It's not just that we're pushing them into something that could be reversed to mindset.

00:30:03.000 We are then aiding it with a physical issue.

00:30:06.000 And I'll close with this particular portion on this.

00:30:10.000 Transgenderism is not a body problem.

00:30:12.000 It is a brain problem.

00:30:14.000 And we treat it as a body problem when it is a brain problem.

00:30:19.000 And the way that you fix a brain problem is not with surgery.

00:30:23.000 It is with the most simple thing.

00:30:26.000 It's called cognitive behavioral therapy.

00:30:28.000 CBT. You talk to somebody over a period of time and find out what's going on.

00:30:34.000 And you listen.

00:30:35.000 And then by the time they're 18 or 19, they still think that they're a man in...

00:30:38.000 A woman's body, that is a separate issue. 1.00

00:30:40.000 It is rare that exists.

00:30:42.000 That's not what's going on here.

00:30:43.000 Instead, we have people that temporarily feel as if something that they are not.

00:30:48.000 We swoop in with irreversible drugs, and this is the kicker.

00:30:51.000 They become a pharmaceutical annuity for the rest of their life.

00:30:55.000 They represent millions of dollars by the time they're 19. For the rest of their life, they have to be on antidepressants.

00:31:02.000 They have to be on Xanax.

00:31:03.000 They have to be on anti-nausea medication.

00:31:05.000 They have to have all sorts of types of drugs to just get back to even because of the butchery that they had to endure.

00:31:13.000 Okay, next question.

00:31:14.000 Good afternoon.

00:31:16.000 My name is Nathan Griffin.

00:31:17.000 My question has to do with both NIL and the portal from the last few years.

00:31:24.000 I have strong opinions on this.

00:31:27.000 Well, from the last few years, you know how both of those have gone down, how NIL has been used.

00:31:33.000 I've experienced it firsthand as well.

00:31:36.000 I was wondering on both of those, how the NIL, as you said, Riley, from how the money and how it's used with all the stuff that you're combating, I was wondering how you might see NIL play into that, both with the fear tactic there, as well as with the portal, with people being able to jump.

00:31:56.000 Place to place however they want, whenever they want, and for whatever reason they want.

00:32:02.000 And I was wondering how that might play into holding people into this prison of having to accept these things.

00:32:09.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:32:11.000 Thank you.

00:32:11.000 Well, the NCAA has proven its uselessness, really.

00:32:18.000 Again, I can say this from personal experience, being a college athlete during the time of the rise, really, of NIL. In my senior year at University of Kentucky, which historically, University of Kentucky has a dominant men's basketball program, I watched my university put millions of dollars in the hands of 17-year-old boys.

00:32:43.000 So what do you think happens?

00:32:45.000 We're watching these boys drive around campus in cars that cost $200,000, $300,000, and really what we were witnessing in real time is financial irresponsibility.

00:32:56.000 Our university gave each of us for having a 2.0 GPA or higher, so basically as long as you're not failing, every single athlete on campus got $6,500 a semester.

00:33:08.000 Again, just for literally possessing a 2.0 GPA, that's just totally ridiculous.

00:33:14.000 And so I think I very much take the mindset of the whole NIL transfer portal stuff of Nick Saban.

00:33:20.000 Who, of course, is a total legend.

00:33:22.000 It's ruined the game.

00:33:24.000 It really has.

00:33:25.000 It's taken the amateur out of amateur sports.

00:33:29.000 We're fortunate enough, again, I was fortunate enough to receive a full-ride scholarship.

00:33:33.000 My education was paid for.

00:33:35.000 So I think there's a conversation to be had about how we prevent those people at the top, like the NCAA, from profiting off athletes in the way that they have been historically.

00:33:45.000 But I believe putting millions of dollars in the hands of 18-year-old boys is...

00:33:50.000 We've got to stay on schedule.

00:33:54.000 Give it up for Riley Gaines one more time, everybody.

00:33:56.000 Thank you all.

00:33:57.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:59.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 05, 2025

"Dad, He's in the Locker Room With Us." — Exclusive Interview with Riley Gaines

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