Turning Point USA President Riley Gage joins the show to discuss the San Jose State Volleyball scandal and why the NCAA should not allow men to compete in women s sports. She also discusses why Turning Point USA is fighting for women in women's sports.
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00:02:03.000It's everything from, you know, your traditionally very liberal institutions like Harvard and Princeton and Cal Berkeley, but really everything in between to small, private Christian schools.
00:02:16.000It's been awesome, especially over the past year, to see just how the reception and the willingness to engage that I have seen personally from students.
00:02:27.000This whole idea of being a closeted conservative on a college campus, I believe, is certainly fading.
00:02:33.000And again, largely to thank because of Turning Point and what you guys have been able to do.
00:02:38.000Well, and so Riley, you got thrust into this fighting for something very simple, female sports.
00:02:44.000That should not have men in female sports.
00:03:10.000Even given this week we saw President of the NCAA, Charlie Baker, testify before the Senate.
00:03:15.000There were some pretty strong lines of questioning that we saw from Senator Hawley, Senator Kennedy, Senator Blackburn.
00:03:23.000But the state of things now, you mentioned the San Jose State University debacle that has been ongoing in the sport of women's volleyball.
00:03:32.000San Jose State, of course, an institution, a university in California, shocker, allowed a man to take a scholarship, a roster spot, a travel spot from a hard-working, deserving female athlete.
00:03:47.000It became public knowledge that this athlete was a male, and we saw universities begin to forfeit.
00:03:55.000Utah State, University of Utah, Boise State, University of Wyoming, and University of Nevada.
00:04:03.000But I want to mention Boise State in particular, because they made it to the Mountain West Conference Championship, which is...
00:04:12.000Outside of the NCAA tournament, it's the pinnacle of their sport.
00:04:15.000They were set to compete against San Jose State University, and they decided to prematurely in their season forego a bid for the NCAA tournament when they decided to forfeit against San Jose State, which is incredibly commendable.
00:04:30.000These girls, they told me, they said, look, you know, we know we're accepting a loss, but it's a loss we're willing to accept on our record because we know some things matter more than victory.
00:04:42.000So while we have not won the war yet, these are certainly little wins along the way.
00:04:50.000I don't think we would have seen this same type of—well, we didn't.
00:04:53.000See, I wasn't willing to forfeit in that way two years ago.
00:04:57.000So it speaks to, I think, the boldness, how courage begets courage, and how people have had enough.
00:05:03.000Now, legislatively— Why is this so difficult to even get Republican states to pass laws saying that men should not be in female sports?
00:05:18.000They're terrified of being called some sort of name or being looked at as being on the wrong side of history because that's what the other side does.
00:05:25.000They'll say that this is equivalent to the civil rights movement, and if you don't accept trans people in women's spaces, it's equivalent to 60 years ago not accepting black people in white-only spaces.
00:05:38.000I mean, totally just insane conclusions that they're drawing here.
00:05:46.000That's fairly obvious, I think, once you start to look.
00:05:49.000Governor DeWine, for example, of Ohio.
00:05:51.000Of course, this is a man who has an R by his name.
00:05:55.000He ended up vetoing HB68, the SAFE Act, which would prevent men from competing in women's sports, and it would also ban these surgical and chemical operations and treatments that children were receiving at the hands of medical professionals.
00:06:11.000But it came out later that he received $40,000 from Cincinnati Children's Hospital, which is a...
00:07:04.000And they haven't been able to answer this question.
00:07:08.000You don't have women's sports when you allow men into them.
00:07:11.000You don't have women's prisons when you're allowing men into these prisons.
00:07:15.000Women's sororities, I know you've had on your show a few times, actually, the girls at University of Wyoming who were a part of the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority, but they were promised sisterhood and they got the brother they never wanted.
00:07:55.000And what we find is that when there's opposition to this, The people are totally against this idea of men and female sports, which is just one element of the trans agenda.
00:08:18.000When Riley was competing for the national championship, she had to, by force, undress next to a man because his feelings and his perversion...
00:08:29.000And his autogynephilia, which is a whole separate psychological problem, was far more important than Riley's privacy or young girls' privacy.
00:09:24.000We knew we were going to be competing against this man.
00:09:28.000We found out about three weeks before the competition, but we didn't know we were going to be sharing the locker room, so the first time we became aware of this was when we were...
00:09:36.000Inches away from this 6'4 man who was fully undressed, fully intact, fully exposing himself, inches away from where we were simultaneously fully unclothed.
00:09:47.000And I remember, of course, I just felt so violated and humiliated and it's embarrassing, it's awkward, it's uncomfortable.
00:09:53.000I immediately left the locker room and I called my dad.
00:09:56.000And I said, Dad, he's in the locker room with us.
00:10:01.000You know, because they don't let fans, which are really just the parents, or spectators on the pool deck, you have to have special credentials.
00:10:08.000And so he told me, he said, you're going to come open this side door.
00:10:12.000I'm going to act like I'm your university's bus driver, and I'm going to come in there and handle that, you know, myself.
00:10:17.000To which I had to say, Dad, we already have...
00:11:09.000That we need to handle this the way we did in the 1950s or something?
00:11:13.000And the whole media lost their mind on it.
00:11:15.000I guess what I'm getting at, though, I think we're finally turning the corner, but I'm sure you guys agree with me.
00:11:21.000That the men of this country need to not put up with this anymore, actually.
00:11:25.000And we need to defend women from this injustice.
00:11:29.000But I largely think we have to blame the feminist movement for men not speaking up in the way that I think most women now would appreciate.
00:13:18.000And help me understand the psychology of...
00:13:22.000A person, and I'm not picking on this woman because I'm sure she got bullied, but this woman, remember what happened in that boxing match in the Olympics?
00:13:30.000She fought her best for 20 seconds, got slammed, started crying, basically forfeited, and then she went and apologized to the man, saying, I'm so sorry I ever spoke out against you.
00:13:42.000You have every right to beat the crap out of me.
00:14:30.000What pressure was she getting and from who?
00:14:32.000I think it's because our society labels us.
00:14:34.000You fall into either one of two boxes.
00:14:36.000You are either oppressed or you are the oppressor.
00:14:40.000And we have learned, we've been told, that there is nothing worse than being the oppressor.
00:14:45.000And I believe that she was made to feel that she, in some way, in some roundabout way, had oppressed just for daring to...
00:14:53.000Daring to even question out loud what we both, and many people around the country, and probably most people in this room knew to be true the entire time, that this was a man.
00:15:04.000It's obvious in the way that, of course, his physical appearance, he had been banned from world championships previously for failing the sex eligibility requirement, which was merely to just have two ex- He and this other man had failed, but no.
00:15:19.000They were awarded shiny gold medals for this endeavor.
00:15:25.000And President Trump has said that when the Olympics are in Los Angeles, and he will be president, he's not going to allow it to happen.
00:15:30.000We're not going to allow men to win Olympic gold medals on American soil.
00:15:58.000I'm talking about feminine energy to its toxic extreme that allows the entire society to be run over.
00:16:06.000You need a balance of the masculine and the feminine.
00:16:09.000But at its worst, toxic femininity is that you can never stand up to disorder, that you just always must be compassion and feelings, and that no matter what, you can't be disagreeable.
00:17:13.000That's been made very clear, again, by what we saw on November 5th.
00:17:17.000Even if you watched some of these debates, especially some of the Senate debates, one, I remember watching Senator Cruz against Colin Allred.
00:17:27.000Me, being very tuned in, of course, to the topic, I already knew that Colin Allred had voted four times in favor of allowing men into women's sports, but I watched him on that debate stage, of course, from the state of Texas, and he stands up there and word for word, verbatim, He was asked about this topic and he says, I'm a Christian.
00:17:52.000We will begin to either see people slowly start to distance themselves.
00:17:57.000That's why we saw, of the four national debates that we had, notice the gender ideology movement wasn't brought up a single time.
00:18:03.000Kamala Harris never had to attest to her despicable, criminal voting record and advocacy that she has done on behalf of...
00:18:13.000Ridding parents of their parental rights, the safeguarding of children, and, of course, what she has done to women.
00:18:20.000So you will see people start to distance themselves slowly, like AOC, removing her pronouns from her bio.
00:18:26.000Or you will see people begin to double down on this insanity, which we've seen some people like Joy Reid and Jamel Hill and, you know, those goblins on The View.
00:18:40.000But in doing that, it just shows they learned nothing from November 5th, because to your point, the American people reject absurdity.
00:18:49.000That was made very, very clear, and I agree with you, Charlie, in the sense that, truthfully, we should all be signing and sending a thank you note.
00:18:59.000Because he propagated this conversation that many, many Americans saw, realized they disagreed with, didn't want this to happen to their daughters, even if they were, I mean, people who call themselves lifelong liberals, people who are a part of the LGBTQ community in some form or fashion.
00:19:20.000Only to really be used for our advantage, but I believe it's up to us to hold our leaders' feet to the fire, make sure they do what they say they're going to do, because if we don't, if the people here in this room, if we don't, then who in the world will?
00:19:35.000And let's just talk for a second here, and then I want to get some audience questions.
00:19:40.000I don't think America would be as fired up about this topic if it was just adult-centric.
00:19:45.000I think there are some moral challenges because actually yours, this is why it's not just children, because Riley's situation was adults.
00:19:52.000These were all people over the age of 18. So we can't allow the framing to be an only minor-centric framing, which is the way that some people are trying to do in our political discourse.
00:20:00.000However, the most grotesque aspect of the trans agenda is what they're doing with children.
00:20:05.000We had Chloe Cole with us on the program, where she was a detransitioner.
00:20:20.000We have these gender clinics across the country, in Houston, all across California, in Illinois, in Boston, where we are the disgrace of the world.
00:20:32.000We are the most radical on the medical mutilation of children without parental consent.
00:20:39.000We are the world's leader on this awful program.
00:20:42.000Riley, what is the state of that butchery?
00:20:44.000Well, about 25 states have passed some sort of law that ultimately prevents this from happening to minors and criminalizes the actions that doctors are taking to pursue this, which it's having some difficulty being enforced to even look at what's happening in Texas, where a couple of whistleblowers have come forward and said, hey, our Texas Children's Hospital is still performing these.
00:21:07.000So about half the states have taken actions to prohibit this, at least in some capacity.
00:21:14.000But what needs to happen is the passage of federal legislation to prevent this.
00:21:28.000Like pardons for J6ers, you know, Ross all bricked out of prison.
00:21:31.000And then this is like one of my six things I care about, which is as soon as possible, day one, day 10, I don't care, but very quickly, DOJ needs to launch criminal investigations into every single gender-affirming care clinic across the country.
00:21:47.000Release all charges against Dr. Ethan Heim from the Houston Children's Hospital who was under indictment for blowing the whistle.
00:21:54.000We need federal whistleblower protections at HHS that have all of the data of how many kids are actually being butchered.
00:21:59.000We need criminal investigations into the insurance companies that are fraudulently doing reimbursements for surgeons that are doing this against state law.
00:22:07.000And then finally, and then most critically, is that the federal government needs to use its civil division to go find all these detransitioners and go after the companies and the hospitals that have done it.
00:22:29.000We need to take a page out of the playbook of the tobacco companies of how we went after them and do the exact same thing with gender mutilation.
00:22:36.000Be like, this is too expensive, too risky.
00:22:40.000We need to make it so toxic that a surgeon would never think to touch a child again in this country.
00:22:45.000And then, I think Bobby Kennedy will be able to do this at HHS, if you are prescribing Lupron, which, by the way, is a chemical castration agent that was labeled so extreme that rapists in prison are not even allowed to take Lupron anymore.
00:22:58.000The ACLU sued and won, saying that Lupron was too extreme for a rapist in jail because it literally just castrates your entire body.
00:23:46.000The Daily Wire will be streaming, and I think it will be on X on January 10th for free streaming for about three days before it goes to Daily Wire+.
00:23:54.000But there are some remarkable—and I say that word, of course, not meaning these are great things happening, but remarkable from the standpoint of— Totally mind-blowing stories from girls, from boys, from medical providers, from whistleblowers, across the board, about this movement, the harm that it's having, the severity of it, the trajectory of it, and what we can do to stop it.
00:24:20.000So again, that's Identity Crisis on X on January 10th.
00:24:23.000And part of the hope, and I talked to Ben Shapiro about this yesterday, is we want to build so much consensus that this new Trump administration will see this video, will see this movie.
00:24:33.000and act upon it in the first couple of weeks.
00:24:36.000The question is, and thank you, what were the Democrats thinking when they pushed this issue and thinking that we would just roll over?
00:24:44.000Well, to answer pretty frankly, they weren't thinking.
00:24:49.000But I believe COVID kind of set the precedent.
00:24:51.000I believe COVID almost expedited this movement.
00:24:55.000Being on a college campus during all of this, during the COVID pandemic, what that looked like for us, and then kind of the introduction of this movement, I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of, I think that's when...
00:25:07.000The tentacles of the establishment, whether, again, that be academia, what have you, whatever that may be, corporate America, the media, even seemingly our spiritual leaders, unfortunately, I believe that's when they realized that they could control us.
00:25:32.000It's proven itself, at least at this point, to be ineffective, under-researched, and they're still going through with what we're telling them to do.
00:26:48.000They believe that you can be whatever you want to be whenever you want to be it, and if you want to be it, it's fine, and who am I to judge?
00:27:25.000Transgenderism, especially with young people...
00:27:27.000Is almost always, there's almost never been a documented case that has been aware of from Dr. Miriam Grossman to Dr. Jordan Peterson that have looked at the scientific literature without other underlying issues such as depression, bipolar schizophrenia, generalized anxiety disorder, so on and so forth.
00:27:42.000So for example, if I told you I have a fever and you're a clinician, that tells you nothing.
00:28:18.000It's people that do not feel comfortable in their own bodies that are either bullied, tormented, do not have a strong father figure in their life.
00:28:24.000Vast majority of young women who transition do not have a strong father figure in their life.
00:28:28.000And they're looking for social confirmation and status.
00:29:19.000And school district after school district that when there's two trans girls, there soon is eight trans girls, and then there's 16 trans girls and 32 trans girls.
00:29:28.000And young ladies fall prey to this because young ladies are far more likely to cut themselves, be part of golf cult groups, be part of groups of which there are a social type aspect to feel as if you are fit in because young women, as they are built in the natural design, are far...
00:29:42.000Less likely to be disagreeable and want to be more agreeable in friend groups and communities.
00:29:48.000And therefore, they're more willing to conform to whatever the zeitgeist or the spirit of the times is.
00:29:52.000So a lot of these young ladies feel pressured into the trans thing because they think it's who they actually are.
00:29:58.000And that is why it's so evil what we are doing.
00:30:00.000It's not just that we're pushing them into something that could be reversed to mindset.
00:30:03.000We are then aiding it with a physical issue.
00:30:06.000And I'll close with this particular portion on this.
00:31:27.000Well, from the last few years, you know how both of those have gone down, how NIL has been used.
00:31:33.000I've experienced it firsthand as well.
00:31:36.000I was wondering on both of those, how the NIL, as you said, Riley, from how the money and how it's used with all the stuff that you're combating, I was wondering how you might see NIL play into that, both with the fear tactic there, as well as with the portal, with people being able to jump.
00:31:56.000Place to place however they want, whenever they want, and for whatever reason they want.
00:32:02.000And I was wondering how that might play into holding people into this prison of having to accept these things.
00:32:11.000Well, the NCAA has proven its uselessness, really.
00:32:18.000Again, I can say this from personal experience, being a college athlete during the time of the rise, really, of NIL. In my senior year at University of Kentucky, which historically, University of Kentucky has a dominant men's basketball program, I watched my university put millions of dollars in the hands of 17-year-old boys.
00:32:45.000We're watching these boys drive around campus in cars that cost $200,000, $300,000, and really what we were witnessing in real time is financial irresponsibility.
00:32:56.000Our university gave each of us for having a 2.0 GPA or higher, so basically as long as you're not failing, every single athlete on campus got $6,500 a semester.
00:33:08.000Again, just for literally possessing a 2.0 GPA, that's just totally ridiculous.
00:33:14.000And so I think I very much take the mindset of the whole NIL transfer portal stuff of Nick Saban.
00:33:35.000So I think there's a conversation to be had about how we prevent those people at the top, like the NCAA, from profiting off athletes in the way that they have been historically.
00:33:45.000But I believe putting millions of dollars in the hands of 18-year-old boys is...