The Charlie Kirk Show - June 19, 2023


De-Romneying Utah with Gunnar Thorderson and James Lindsay


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A young rebel is running for Republican National Committeeman in Utah, and Dr. James Lindsay joins the rest of the episode to talk about his campaign and why he thinks the grassroots should be back in charge in the Republican Party.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, fan of Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:02.000 A young rebel running for RNC committeeman in Utah.
00:00:06.000 And Dr. James Lindsay joins the rest of the episode.
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00:01:09.000 We've been highlighting story after story of the grassroots starting to rise up to take back the Republican Party.
00:01:17.000 Every single one of you in the audience should be a precinct committeeman.
00:01:19.000 Every single one of you should be involved in the grassroots.
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00:01:23.000 I want to highlight somebody I've known for quite some time.
00:01:26.000 He was with the kind of one of the original hiring classes at Turning Point USA.
00:01:30.000 And he is now running in Utah for national committeeman.
00:01:34.000 Gunnar Thorson.
00:01:35.000 Gunnar, welcome to the program.
00:01:37.000 You are straight out of the grassroots.
00:01:38.000 You're not happy with the direction of the country or the RNC and you're trying to do something about it.
00:01:43.000 Tell us about it, Gunnar.
00:01:44.000 Well, first, thanks for having me on, Charlie.
00:01:47.000 It's always great to be here.
00:01:48.000 You know, I joke with my wife.
00:01:51.000 I've been involved with Turning Point in some form or fashion longer than we've been married.
00:01:56.000 So it's a long, long relationship that I've come to love.
00:02:01.000 And I think it was 11 years we just celebrated, wasn't it?
00:02:04.000 That's right.
00:02:05.000 So congratulations, man.
00:02:07.000 It's incredible what you've been able to accomplish with Turning Point USA.
00:02:11.000 And I'm just happy to be involved in some way, shape, or form.
00:02:15.000 But yeah, in Utah, I mean, I'm sure you've seen, we've been dealing with just the craziest situation where the grassroots just feel like we're completely disenfranchised.
00:02:27.000 You've got this sort of wing of the party, this rhino class that forcing stuff down our throats that nobody in Utah wants, like this woke flag, like porn in schools that has taken way too long to even get removed and it still hasn't been removed. 0.94
00:02:45.000 They're now trying to remove the Bible.
00:02:47.000 And it's just, it's issue after issue where the grassroots is like, look, this is not our GOP.
00:02:54.000 So no one's donating anymore.
00:02:57.000 It's just apathy all around.
00:02:59.000 And so I'm running in hopes that we can bring some trust back to the Utah GOP and show that, look, with this young representation and with the grassroots back in charge, people are going to start donating again.
00:03:11.000 And we're seeing that all across the country.
00:03:14.000 Yeah, so Gunner, let's talk about, you know, Utah in particular.
00:03:19.000 Obviously, we have Mitt Romney, and it is a predominant LDS state.
00:03:24.000 Are you starting to see trends or patterns that people in the LDS community want a stronger conservative agenda, not what Mitt Romney has been offering?
00:03:34.000 Well, yeah, I mean, a recent poll just came out.
00:03:36.000 His approval rating is lower than it's ever been.
00:03:40.000 There's just been things that have been happening recently, I feel like, you know, where people are starting to wake up.
00:03:47.000 You know, look, you can fool us once, but you're not going to fool us twice.
00:03:51.000 And the people of Utah have really woken up.
00:03:54.000 And we now have some people who are stepping in to run and some great people like Mayor Trent Staggs, you know, who are stepping up and people are getting behind.
00:04:04.000 So there's definitely some optimism to be had.
00:04:06.000 I'm certainly optimistic that Utah is not going to be fooled twice.
00:04:11.000 And the polls are really starting to show that.
00:04:14.000 Yeah, so within Republican circles in Utah, would you say that the grassroots is starting to gain more and more of a footing?
00:04:24.000 I mean, there's kind of a lot of several aspects here.
00:04:28.000 Rana, who runs the RNC, is LDS.
00:04:32.000 And so Utah, I believe, has kind of been a very favorable state for her.
00:04:36.000 And now you're running for committeeman.
00:04:38.000 What do you want to see nationally from the RNC when it comes to getting ready for 2024 and representing a grassroots agenda?
00:04:47.000 Good question.
00:04:49.000 So, yeah, I just got elected recently to the state central committee.
00:04:53.000 And, you know, we now have the most conservative state central committee that we've had in years.
00:05:00.000 And so the deck is certainly starting to lean more towards the grassroots, which is why I feel so inspired to run because the grassroots, I mean, there's just this overwhelming energy that we're leaving behind that Bush type Republicanism, that Cheney Republicanism that Mitt Romney and Spencer Cox and all these people represent.
00:05:24.000 Now, look, as national committeemen, I'm going to stay neutral.
00:05:28.000 And I believe and I'm optimistic that the people of Utah are not going to be fooled twice and that they're going to elect really good Republicans in office.
00:05:38.000 And I'm fully prepared to support whoever gets our nomination.
00:05:43.000 And the party's waking up to support those who go through convention and instead of those that go and sort of circumnavigate the party, if you will, via the signature path.
00:05:55.000 And so in Utah, I feel strongly.
00:05:57.000 But nationally, to your second part of the question, I'm really concerned, Charlie, there's rumors going around that there's sort of plans maybe from the RNC to cook up some type of rule change to keep Trump off the ballot.
00:06:13.000 Any person under indictment may not be able to get the nomination.
00:06:17.000 I just want to make sure that we have strong conservative leaders who are going to be prepared to stand up and defend this country and defend people from the craziness that we're seeing from our DOJ and FBI.
00:06:31.000 And so that's why I think it's more important than ever that we have really strong, courageous voices on the RNC that are willing to step up and defend this country.
00:06:41.000 Yeah, amen.
00:06:42.000 And so has Mitt Romney made an announcement yet of whether or not he's going to run?
00:06:51.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure he has.
00:06:54.000 Although it's one of those things that they're really trying to keep to the last minute.
00:06:58.000 Is he in?
00:06:59.000 Is he out?
00:07:00.000 And I really think they're trying to get the pulse on these polls.
00:07:05.000 But really, the only people that put out polls in Utah are very in-depth with that wing of the party.
00:07:11.000 So how reliable those polls are, I don't know.
00:07:14.000 But they try to show, hey, even though his favorability is dropping, we still think he has a really good shot at reelection.
00:07:21.000 But I think he knows he's in trouble.
00:07:24.000 And it doesn't seem like he's doing much at all to try to communicate with the grassroots or earn the base back at all.
00:07:31.000 And so I'd be shocked if he did run again.
00:07:35.000 It seems like almost everybody that I talk to here in Utah is convinced that he's not running again.
00:07:42.000 But we'll see.
00:07:44.000 It's something they could drum something up and then have him run again.
00:07:48.000 Or what could happen is he could drop out and then Spencer Cox would appoint his replacement until the end of the term, which is also something that happens a lot in Utah.
00:07:58.000 Spencer Cox is no good.
00:08:00.000 Gunner, I'm glad you're running.
00:08:01.000 There is a promising theme happening.
00:08:03.000 We just saw this in North Dakota of grassroots, strong conservative patriots that are running and winning for national committeeman, state party chair.
00:08:14.000 The moderates are being thrown out of the party, and MAGA, grassroots, America first, focused on the strong issues is ascendant.
00:08:24.000 Gunner, thank you so much.
00:08:26.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:08:27.000 And it's important to reiterate: there is a significant disconnect between our elected leaders and the grassroots.
00:08:35.000 Massive chasm.
00:08:37.000 A significant disconnect.
00:08:40.000 And this is about closing that gap.
00:08:44.000 It's about giving the grassroots a voice and having the RNC be a people party.
00:08:50.000 Gunner, right there, him running for RNC committeeman in Utah, is a sign of things to come.
00:08:55.000 We want to highlight these stories as they pop up.
00:08:58.000 You too can run for state party committee, your state central committee.
00:09:02.000 You too can run for national committeemen.
00:09:04.000 You could support someone that is.
00:09:06.000 These matter so much.
00:09:08.000 We have to do this state by state by state by state.
00:09:11.000 Every state and territory have these races.
00:09:14.000 And usually it's just kind of typical RC insiders that dominate.
00:09:18.000 The grassroots are getting involved.
00:09:20.000 And it is really making the stakeholders of a failed RNC corrupt regime nervous.
00:09:28.000 The more people-centric, the more grassroots-centric the RNC is, it'll be healthier to hold our elected officials accountable and win.
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00:10:43.000 Dr. James Lindsay is with us.
00:10:45.000 He's the author of several books.
00:10:46.000 He is prolific.
00:10:47.000 I don't say that lightly.
00:10:49.000 I read almost everything he publishes, from new discourses to Marxification of Education, race Marxism, and cynical theories.
00:10:56.000 Is that the whole canon?
00:10:57.000 That's the whole canon, yeah.
00:10:59.000 For right now, make sure you just get the mic right up there, James.
00:11:02.000 So, happy Juneteenth, James.
00:11:04.000 Is that what today is?
00:11:06.000 Is that true?
00:11:07.000 Yeah, it is Juneteenth.
00:11:08.000 I forgot.
00:11:10.000 It's not important to me, so I forgot.
00:11:12.000 And I think that this is an attitude, right?
00:11:16.000 I feel like these kind of fake holidays.
00:11:18.000 I mean, Juneteenth is a real holiday in Texas.
00:11:20.000 Yes, but I mean, we know what this is.
00:11:22.000 We know what this is.
00:11:24.000 And so, having forgotten that it exists, I think, is kind of a key mentality that I think a lot of Americans should have.
00:11:32.000 You know, speaking of forgetting that things exist, I'm sad to admit to our audience that as a family, we use Amazon more than we should.
00:11:41.000 When you have a young kid, it's almost unavoidable.
00:11:43.000 However, it's interesting.
00:11:45.000 You know, I had to go pick something up at Pottery Bard and Kids, and I had to leave gay stuff everywhere, Pride, all that. 1.00
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00:11:54.000 They have the A is for Activist book.
00:11:56.000 Have you seen that little baby book?
00:11:57.000 A is for Activist?
00:11:58.000 Yeah, I actually have a copy of it.
00:11:59.000 I wanted to get your thoughts on.
00:12:00.000 Totally out of control.
00:12:01.000 And then I was just interested.
00:12:03.000 I said, okay, went to Amazon.com and then Whole Foods.
00:12:06.000 If you walked into Whole Foods, which I hate to say, they do a good job.
00:12:10.000 They really do.
00:12:11.000 Their produce is excellent and all that, even though it's run by an oligarchy.
00:12:15.000 Not one thing, James.
00:12:16.000 Is there something to this?
00:12:18.000 Not an employee with a Pride badge, not a flag, not a mention, not a you could donate to the chemical castration of a poor kid in Mississippi poster.
00:12:27.000 What's going on here?
00:12:29.000 Well, that's interesting.
00:12:31.000 That's a really interesting feature of reality today, Charlie, because it seems like, you know, it's everywhere, but then there's certain places it's not, which we see what happens where it's everywhere, right?
00:12:43.000 Like but lights getting crushed, targets getting crushed.
00:12:48.000 Target is a competitor to places like these.
00:12:50.000 Target's getting crushed.
00:12:51.000 Amazon's not getting crushed.
00:12:52.000 Amazon's not doing this.
00:12:54.000 So you can kind of see that there's this game being played that may be pushing people towards certain vendors.
00:13:01.000 I would suggest that that's probably part of the strategy.
00:13:03.000 You know, let's create a kind of a hunger game situation for corporations, if you will.
00:13:10.000 Make corporations fight and say, well, if you want your ESG score, if you want your corporate equality index, then you have to do XYZ.
00:13:17.000 You have to put out this flag.
00:13:18.000 You have to put Dylan Mulvaney.
00:13:19.000 You have to do all this crazy stuff.
00:13:21.000 You have to alienate your customer base.
00:13:22.000 By the way, Amazon's not doing that.
00:13:25.000 Well, it's weird, right?
00:13:26.000 So you would think that one of the main kind of vessels for this woke virus, the delivery system, would be Amazon, right?
00:13:35.000 You would think so.
00:13:36.000 And in years past, I mean, headquartered in Seattle, all this, I'm on Amazon.com right now.
00:13:40.000 Again, we're not paid by Amazon, okay?
00:13:42.000 So they're going to get all these emails.
00:13:43.000 I don't see an iota of Pride anything, James.
00:13:47.000 And Google, of course, went all in, Super Trans. 1.00
00:13:50.000 I mean, not anything, not like here's your Pride deal, like wear your Pride thing.
00:13:54.000 You would not know it's June.
00:13:56.000 Is it conceivable that there was a top-down order from Amazon of knock it off?
00:14:02.000 Well, probably, but knock it off why is the question, right?
00:14:06.000 Because profits were in jeopardy because their stock price is not what they want it to be.
00:14:10.000 Well, that could be true.
00:14:11.000 It could also be we're crushing our competitor target right now, so let's just be the boring thing that doesn't offend anybody in the meantime while our competitor gets absolutely savaged by this thing.
00:14:22.000 Yeah, and so what you're trying to see is actual market forces like de-wokify the country.
00:14:28.000 Is that finally what we're seeing?
00:14:29.000 Oh, I don't think that that's the case.
00:14:30.000 I think we're seeing a game of large-scale corporate consolidation into the players that have been maybe ordained or chosen because they're already the big purveyors.
00:14:39.000 They're already in on the system.
00:14:41.000 On the other hand, though, we did see what was it, Starbucks kind of backing off a little bit.
00:14:45.000 Yes, and headquarters is saying, no, we didn't block Pride.
00:14:48.000 But I could tell you right now, the Scottsdale Starbucks that I walk by last year had the trans flag, the whole thing.
00:14:53.000 They have nothing in there.
00:14:55.000 Their employees are not wearing the buttons.
00:14:56.000 They're not doing any of it, James.
00:14:58.000 Well, I think last year was the last real Pride.
00:15:00.000 I think it actually, they went over the top.
00:15:02.000 They did the full blast drag queen thing.
00:15:03.000 I said this last year.
00:15:04.000 I looked it up on Twitter.
00:15:05.000 I actually said this is going to be the last Pride at June 30th.
00:15:08.000 I said, well, that's the end of the last Pride month. 0.91
00:15:10.000 And this month actually has been, as they say in Britain, a damp squib, a firework that got wet and didn't blow up.
00:15:16.000 They've really not gone as crazy as we might have predicted.
00:15:20.000 And we look at what just happened at Dodger Stadium.
00:15:22.000 That was a complete catastrophe for them.
00:15:24.000 So I think they realize, though, that America is getting very much done with this, and they've got a new environment to navigate.
00:15:32.000 So as the last Pride might have happened, what changed from June to June?
00:15:38.000 Did we get stronger?
00:15:39.000 Are we fighting better?
00:15:40.000 Are we isolating them for what they actually are?
00:15:43.000 I think that that is definitely true.
00:15:45.000 I think they also wore out their goodwill with the American people.
00:15:48.000 And every one of these movements depends on them having a cash of goodwill.
00:15:53.000 And they spend it down.
00:15:54.000 Now it's virtually gone.
00:15:56.000 Yeah, they're in a debt with the American people.
00:15:58.000 And so I want to talk about this term groomers.
00:16:01.000 You like calling them groomers.
00:16:02.000 I've never seen a group of people lose their mind as much as when you isolate groomer, but you've actually read in the literature, initiation is actually part of.
00:16:13.000 Is it Marxist or whatever?
00:16:15.000 Queer theory. 0.95
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00:17:11.000 Dr. James Lindsay continues with us.
00:17:14.000 So, so, James, you and I were talking in the break.
00:17:17.000 How do we win?
00:17:17.000 How do we beat these people?
00:17:19.000 The Marxists, one of the ways is mockery. 0.88
00:17:21.000 Yeah.
00:17:22.000 Why?
00:17:22.000 Well, they don't like to be made fun of, Charlie.
00:17:25.000 It actually, they put themselves on a pedestal that they're better than us.
00:17:28.000 You and I have talked in the past.
00:17:29.000 I don't want to get too heady that they're kind of elite, elect Gnostic geniuses. 0.98
00:17:34.000 They know you don't know.
00:17:35.000 That's the basic principle.
00:17:36.000 They know the secrets of the universe, so they get to be in charge.
00:17:38.000 They're the stakeholders.
00:17:39.000 Believe the experts, blah, blah, blah.
00:17:41.000 So if you make fun of them, this pomp that they've given themselves, this pedestal they've placed themselves on, they fall off of it.
00:17:47.000 That's one huge reason why mockery is so powerful.
00:17:51.000 They have to look important.
00:17:52.000 They have to look serious.
00:17:53.000 They have to look like they have the grandest, smartest ideas. 0.99
00:17:56.000 And if you just kind of point at that and you make one of those memes with like, you know, the bell curve with their stupid argument at the top and the smart guy, the Jedi and the moron agreeing, no, they're just grooming kids, you know, it cuts right through all of their pomposity. 0.97
00:18:11.000 Secondly, though, when you can teach people to laugh, if you want to get people over, you know, if they say somebody's doing something like being woke or being racist or something like this, it's, you know, generally shameful. 0.97
00:18:22.000 They're not going to come out and just like admit that they were wrong.
00:18:27.000 But if you can get them to laugh at themselves and laugh about it and laugh with other people about it, when comedy is a vehicle for this, they'll overcome those prejudices and biases.
00:18:36.000 They can let their mistakes go.
00:18:38.000 It's a kind of a non-religious pathway and a very light pathway to looking for kind of self-forgiveness.
00:18:43.000 And I think it's extremely valuable because imagine being caught up in woke and all of a sudden you have to come and like come clean with yourself. 0.98
00:18:50.000 It's really going to be hard to admit, wow, I got sucked into thinking that cutting the genitals off of kids was a good idea. 0.97
00:18:55.000 That's going to be hard to just confess, but you start making fun of it and you can kind of let it slide into your past, reckon with it on your own. 0.93
00:19:02.000 And if we can learn to laugh and joke about these things, as a population, I mean, they have nothing to stand on because people will forgive themselves for the guilt and shame cycles that they keep themselves in.
00:19:11.000 They thrive on moral superiority when it's really moral depravity and they take themselves so unbelievably serious.
00:19:17.000 I'm talking about the woke intelligentsia.
00:19:19.000 That's right.
00:19:19.000 And humor mockery is incredibly effective to build consensus to delegitimize their institutional power.
00:19:29.000 I mean, I go around and I talk about all of the crazy, scary words Klaus Schwab has said.
00:19:34.000 You know, he points out we're going to move from an economy of production and consumption to an economy of caring and sharing.
00:19:40.000 And you're like, oh my God, that's communism, right?
00:19:42.000 And people are kind of like, what?
00:19:44.000 But then you say he wears a spacesuit, and people just lose it, and all of a sudden he's not a serious character anymore.
00:19:50.000 And it's really funny.
00:19:52.000 We make the meme of him wearing the spacesuit, saying crazy things.
00:19:54.000 That goes viral.
00:19:56.000 And all of a sudden, his authority is cut out from under him.
00:19:59.000 It pierces the zeitgeist far more effectively.
00:20:03.000 And there's a reason why Stalin and totalitarians lock up comedians.
00:20:08.000 Yeah.
00:20:09.000 Because they could build consensus and weaken your regime.
00:20:13.000 I mean, they can tell truth while getting you to laugh so you'll accept the truth and you don't get caught again in that shame.
00:20:18.000 You don't get caught.
00:20:20.000 It looks like you're not calling somebody out, as the phrase goes in Wokeland.
00:20:25.000 And it's this kind of soft way to deliver truth, but that gets it in.
00:20:29.000 This is going to be the pride flag in 2030, James. 0.93
00:20:31.000 Did you see this?
00:20:32.000 What do we got here?
00:20:33.000 You see?
00:20:34.000 Put it up.
00:20:35.000 Oh, yeah.
00:20:38.000 Created by Microsoft.
00:20:40.000 Every single...
00:20:41.000 That's not enough identities, though, James.
00:20:43.000 No, it's not.
00:20:44.000 So there's something to that.
00:20:45.000 Let's dive into the philosophy of it.
00:20:46.000 Why is it that the pride flag constantly has to be changing?
00:20:50.000 Well, first of all, that is the progress flag.
00:20:53.000 So the name tells you why.
00:20:55.000 They've moved from pride to holistic.
00:20:57.000 Is that correct?
00:20:57.000 Yeah, that is technically.
00:20:59.000 When did that change?
00:21:00.000 I don't know, a year or two ago is when I stumbled on it.
00:21:02.000 Who knows?
00:21:02.000 So when they started to do, you know, so it's like a colonizer's flag as it is.
00:21:06.000 And now the colonizer's flag is being colonized by this angry triangle moving in from the side.
00:21:11.000 But it represents, in their own words, progress.
00:21:14.000 Well, progress doesn't end, or more technically, the dialectic doesn't end.
00:21:19.000 So that's how the dialectic progresses is, well, we've got to look at this next more granular issue.
00:21:23.000 We've got to look at this next more granular issue.
00:21:24.000 How does it mix when you're demi-romantic, but you're asexual?
00:21:28.000 What does that mean?
00:21:28.000 And so this becomes its own secret identity.
00:21:31.000 And so, well, we need three more colors for that.
00:21:34.000 And there's no bottom to this because, first of all, it's all made up.
00:21:37.000 Second of all, it's narcissistic self-exploration.
00:21:41.000 And so as widely variable as personalities can be, there's going to have to be colors for everything.
00:21:48.000 So I wrote this when I was studying Leviticus the other day, which it came to me about kind of democratized scripture for all of humanity, that the left thrives on secret society language written in a way only their people can understand.
00:22:02.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:22:03.000 Why is that significant, what I just said?
00:22:05.000 Well, there's a lot of things that are valuable to that, but it allows you to signal to other people that you're talking the lingo.
00:22:12.000 It allows you to say things out loud, kind of like, you know, H.G. Wells had the open conspiracy was the title of his book.
00:22:18.000 Well, you can do an open conspiracy.
00:22:19.000 We can sit here and talk.
00:22:20.000 And if I'm talking in what the left always says, it's dog whistles.
00:22:23.000 If I'm talking in code, then I can say things to you that you and I know what they mean, but everybody else doesn't know.
00:22:28.000 So it looks innocuous, but actually contains an agenda.
00:22:32.000 And that can be easily weaponized in policy.
00:22:34.000 I can say, hey, I just wanted to say we should acknowledge diversity in this policy document.
00:22:39.000 And I think we just acknowledge it.
00:22:41.000 But I mean something really specific, which means you have to have training and critical race theory.
00:22:46.000 Or the gnosis.
00:22:47.000 Yeah, well, the gnosis.
00:22:48.000 That's right.
00:22:48.000 The secret mind.
00:22:49.000 That's right.
00:22:50.000 Be able to understand.
00:22:51.000 Otherwise, I'm not going to take you seriously.
00:22:53.000 Right.
00:22:53.000 Well, I mean, that's what Gnosis is about, is that you know the secret meaning beyond the regular meaning.
00:22:58.000 I just came across a thing the other day, and it's talking about, you know, this is talking about bringing the sustainable development goals into people at the next level.
00:23:07.000 And it's talking about this eight-stage process.
00:23:10.000 It's called the human dignity score or the dignity index.
00:23:13.000 It's called the dignity index from Unite Ed, which is United, which is spelled, but it's Tim Shriver's project to push into education, to bring spirituality to the menu.
00:23:23.000 We went to MSLDC this morning.
00:23:25.000 Education.
00:23:25.000 And so they have this dignity score.
00:23:28.000 And you look down and it's like score of one is like this really horrible stuff.
00:23:31.000 Everybody's prejudiced.
00:23:32.000 Score of five is all men are created equal and so on.
00:23:35.000 Then there's three more levels where it's you never disagree with anybody or whatever.
00:23:39.000 You know, honor everybody's personality and whatever they say at level seven or eight.
00:23:42.000 And so, what you see, though, is that the true theme of truth and equality and, you know, a fair and equal society is level five, but they've got three more levels.
00:23:54.000 They know the secret sauce to get past, say, the American experiment and take it into some brave new world.
00:24:00.000 So, that is exactly why they use coded language is because they secretly know the secret meaning that the Constitution contained.
00:24:09.000 They know the secret meaning that the Bible contained.
00:24:11.000 They know the secret meaning, and you don't.
00:24:13.000 So, you can confirm more powerful.
00:24:15.000 Yeah, so what they'll do is they'll point to people and say, Look, level five, this is what you think is being a really good person.
00:24:21.000 This is human dignity, but there's three more levels past that.
00:24:24.000 Did you know?
00:24:24.000 Come join our cult.
00:24:25.000 We'll teach you level six.
00:24:26.000 This is how cults operate.
00:24:27.000 This is how cults operate.
00:24:29.000 And this is how all of their stuff works.
00:24:31.000 We know, you know, the Bible.
00:24:32.000 You know the Bible really well.
00:24:33.000 Well, did you know that in such and such there's this meaning?
00:24:35.000 There's this other meaning to the Jonah story.
00:24:38.000 Come here, I'll tell you.
00:24:39.000 We know your thing a little better than you do.
00:24:41.000 And the reason, but you don't know it.
00:24:42.000 You have to pay a tithe or give us your time in order to get to that secret.
00:24:47.000 And you can't trust your priest or your pastor or your religious leader or yourself because they don't want you to know it because they are keeping you down.
00:24:55.000 The American system is keeping you down.
00:24:56.000 Just talking practically, the proliferation of the widespread reading of the scriptures was a challenge to secret gnosis.
00:25:05.000 Yeah, of course.
00:25:06.000 Of course, it is.
00:25:07.000 If you can read the scripture press, if you will.
00:25:09.000 Yeah.
00:25:10.000 If everybody can read the scriptures in their own vernacular language, by the way, speaking of something that was a capital crime, they killed people for printing Bibles in languages people could read. 0.53
00:25:18.000 They killed Tyndale for translating the Bible.
00:25:21.000 They did.
00:25:21.000 In the early 1600s.
00:25:23.000 And so this was a death sentence to do this because they didn't want people to be able to read and find out for themselves.
00:25:30.000 You know, I don't think it says that.
00:25:32.000 And this is what Martin Luther is very famous for having noticed.
00:25:35.000 It doesn't say some of the things.
00:25:37.000 And then Martin Luther got caught up in his own thing.
00:25:39.000 By the end, you know, there's this fight about baptism.
00:25:41.000 And he says, well, somebody came to him and said, well, I don't think it says this.
00:25:44.000 And so what did they do with him?
00:25:45.000 Martin Luther was like, ah, and threw him in a well and left him to die there.
00:25:48.000 So this tendency, which is the desire for power, can corrupt you in this way.
00:25:54.000 And then you have your secret understanding of things.
00:25:57.000 So even the guy that saw the corruption in the late Catholic church, late medieval Catholic church, couldn't resist the temptation for the corruption himself when he had the power. 0.53
00:26:08.000 So we have this secret gnosis or mind.
00:26:11.000 You can call them philosopher kings, the credentialed class.
00:26:15.000 And you must have the certificate from their club.
00:26:19.000 Otherwise, you cannot mention.
00:26:21.000 That's right.
00:26:22.000 But if you do not think in the orthodoxy of the club, then we're going to destroy you.
00:26:27.000 These are class defectors or academic, like you're an academic defector, right?
00:26:32.000 That's right.
00:26:32.000 You have the credential, but you don't share the orthodoxy.
00:26:35.000 Right.
00:26:35.000 And that's what we just saw from this Victor She, sure.
00:26:38.000 I don't know how I pronounce his name, this Democrat.
00:26:41.000 He's like 19 or something.
00:26:42.000 This young Democrat operative.
00:26:44.000 He's big on Twitter.
00:26:45.000 He came out of nowhere, probably just straight up a psyops. 0.99
00:26:48.000 Probably a Fed, right?
00:26:49.000 Yeah.
00:26:49.000 And so this guy is like going off about this Joe Rogan, Peter Hotez, you know, meltdown that's going on.
00:26:56.000 I call it the Hotez meltdown, as a matter of fact. 0.99
00:26:58.000 And I have a mug of Peter Hotez mug.
00:27:00.000 It says Hotez Mad on it and a picture of him looking really angry. 0.96
00:27:03.000 And the other side says, fuel your anger.
00:27:04.000 That's the mockery we have.
00:27:05.000 That's what I'm saying.
00:27:06.000 And so I have this, I literally got a custom mug. 0.99
00:27:09.000 But he says, well, we have these fools like Joe Rogan that don't have degrees, RFK, he's a conspiracy theorist. 0.99
00:27:16.000 We don't listen to them. 0.98
00:27:17.000 We need to listen to the people, the MDs, the doctors, the people.
00:27:20.000 The hypnosis stuff.
00:27:21.000 Exactly.
00:27:21.000 And then in this next tweet, though, he's like, well, there are people with PhDs that are saying the other stuff, but we don't listen to them.
00:27:26.000 And so that means they get to arbitrarily decide.
00:27:28.000 Yes, that's exactly right and who doesn't.
00:27:31.000 When you layer a society not on wisdom or practical judgment, prudence or temperance, the great classical virtues, and instead you order society on credentialing, then you get to decide who gets to speak.
00:27:44.000 Now, yes, if you have a PhD in mathematics and we're talking about quantum theory, I'm going to take what you say very seriously, unless it's bunk.
00:27:52.000 Yeah, well, if I come out here and tell you that like four plus five is six, you can correct me, even though I have a PhD.
00:27:58.000 At the same time, there has been unspeakable terror done to humanity by people with PhDs that were unchecked by the common ordinary person.
00:28:07.000 Like lobotomies.
00:28:09.000 Well, yeah.
00:28:09.000 Just one that comes to mind.
00:28:11.000 Gender-affirming care.
00:28:12.000 Or concentration camps or euthanasia.
00:28:15.000 Frustrated academics are the most dangerous people in the universe.
00:28:19.000 You put that on a bumper sticker.
00:28:21.000 Frustrated academics are the most dangerous people in the universe.
00:28:25.000 They know a lot of facts.
00:28:27.000 They might have a lot of knowledge, but they don't have a lot of wisdom.
00:28:30.000 And they don't know what is good or evil.
00:28:32.000 They don't even believe in such things.
00:28:33.000 I'm just in charge because I'm an academic.
00:28:35.000 Who is this, Dr. Hotez?
00:28:37.000 So, Peter Hotez is a, well, he's a big vaccine, COVID pusher.
00:28:41.000 The vaccine peddler, right?
00:28:43.000 He is one of the biggest peddlers.
00:28:44.000 He works in Houston at one of these medical centers down there, Texas Children's Hospital.
00:28:49.000 Yeah, I've forgotten all of his other details, some tropical something or another with viruses.
00:28:53.000 But he is one of the biggest COVID vaccine peddlers.
00:28:57.000 And so RFK just went on.
00:28:58.000 Rogan is why he's suddenly famous.
00:29:00.000 And RFK said a bunch of RFK stuff about the vaccines.
00:29:04.000 And so Hotez goes after it on Twitter.
00:29:06.000 So Rogan's like, was Hotez mentioned in the episode?
00:29:09.000 I haven't listened to him.
00:29:10.000 I don't think so.
00:29:10.000 I haven't listened either.
00:29:11.000 So he just imparted himself. 0.78
00:29:13.000 Well, he went on Twitter and was like, this guy's a crank.
00:29:15.000 RFK is a conspiracy theorist.
00:29:16.000 This is blah, blah, blah.
00:29:17.000 And so Joe was like, come debate him and I'll throw $100,000 at charity.
00:29:21.000 And now it's like over $1.5 million or something like this.
00:29:24.000 No, this guy's kind of become a meme of himself.
00:29:25.000 By the way, if you've seen a picture of him, he's the whole character of the bow tie, the whole thing.
00:29:30.000 It's out of control.
00:29:31.000 RFK Jr. goes on Rogan, who I really like Rogan, and then he comments on Twitter.
00:29:37.000 But let's actually go through this, James.
00:29:39.000 Okay.
00:29:40.000 In a broader, more macro sense.
00:29:44.000 The fact that you can have a podcast discussion between two dudes, not on CBS, ABC, or NBC, and then have a reaction on it on Twitter significantly move the zeitgeist and the national conversation.
00:29:57.000 That's not, that's not what happened a couple years ago.
00:30:02.000 We have a whole new way of challenging pre-existing orthodoxies now.
00:30:06.000 Well, I think that that's because for the last two, three years, people like us, if I might give us a little credit, have gone around, dedicated a lot of time and energy to trying to wake people up.
00:30:15.000 And the trust level that our society has for these experts is sort of abysmal, sort of bad.
00:30:22.000 Now, it wasn't people just like us, though.
00:30:24.000 I mean, the COVID thing was a catastrophe from the get-go.
00:30:27.000 People were starting to see through it quickly.
00:30:29.000 Pretty quick.
00:30:30.000 Pretty quick.
00:30:30.000 And it's just kind of, it's been this shambling, you know, I picture like a bus going down the street, pieces falling off the wheels.
00:30:37.000 This thing skidded to a halt a long time ago.
00:30:40.000 And people's trust in things like the CDC, FDA, public health in general.
00:30:47.000 It's all gone.
00:30:48.000 And it should be gone.
00:30:49.000 It should be gone.
00:30:50.000 We had a high trust society where we were so comfortable that we trusted things that took advantage of us.
00:30:57.000 And the trust was not earned.
00:30:59.000 Right.
00:31:00.000 That's right.
00:31:00.000 So one of my rules of thumb is the more power something has over me, the less I trust it.
00:31:05.000 They have to keep earning my trust.
00:31:06.000 Yes.
00:31:07.000 Continually earn.
00:31:08.000 They don't get it by.
00:31:09.000 You have to continually renew the trust.
00:31:11.000 That's right.
00:31:12.000 And when you make not just one misstep, but if they're missteps or not is a deeper question, but 500 errors from masks to lockdowns, kids in schools, so many errors that it's not possible that it was statistically random that they got the wrong answer to every single thing.
00:31:30.000 I believe one of the main, so I think the middle ground explanation, because most of our audience says, okay, they're evil and they wanted to abolish all of humanity.
00:31:38.000 All right, could be.
00:31:39.000 People try to do it before.
00:31:40.000 Some people say, oh, no, they just didn't mean well.
00:31:42.000 I think that is actually, there's a third explanation, James.
00:31:45.000 Okay.
00:31:46.000 When you are not studied in wisdom or in the ideas of right or wrong, you do not know how to answer the big questions.
00:31:55.000 So for example, CDC was posed with moral questions.
00:31:59.000 For example, should you lock down your young?
00:32:03.000 That's not a question for a scientist because their scientists are like, well, their question is we must stop the virus at all costs.
00:32:09.000 But then the question is the moral question, which is, well, childhood development actually matters a lot more than almost anything else.
00:32:16.000 Yeah, the weighing of two different.
00:32:20.000 But this is what the Roman emperors and the classics teach you, which is to be studied in the question of temperance and prudence and how do you balance one thing against the other.
00:32:30.000 Sure.
00:32:31.000 The different levels of ethics, as Aristotle would say.
00:32:35.000 And our leaders would say, but I'm just commanded to get rid of the virus.
00:32:38.000 And who's to at all costs?
00:32:42.000 That's why we know about ordinary men just doing my job. 0.98
00:32:46.000 We've got to get rid of this thing at all costs.
00:32:47.000 We've got to do this.
00:32:48.000 This is what the scientists said.
00:32:49.000 Of course, they unleashed a model, and the model doesn't make any sense.
00:32:51.000 They said everybody in the universe was going to die.
00:32:54.000 And they use this as justification.
00:32:56.000 Now, I think there are more cynical and present that found themselves in it, but the vast majority of people peddling it.
00:33:02.000 Sure.
00:33:03.000 Yeah.
00:33:03.000 But they're also following some of these people.
00:33:05.000 For example, Randy Weingarten was using closed schools as a bargaining chip to get a trillion dollars for the hostage situation.
00:33:12.000 That's right.
00:33:12.000 And to get Joe Biden elected.
00:33:13.000 And she said so.
00:33:15.000 So this isn't like I'm conspiring.
00:33:17.000 And Blue States did this as a way to get bailouts. 0.90
00:33:19.000 J.B. Pritzker and Gavin Newsom did it as a way to get a federal government bailout.
00:33:22.000 Huge amounts of money and all that printed money.
00:33:23.000 Now they get inflation.
00:33:25.000 So they have a new crisis.
00:33:26.000 They get to milk.
00:33:26.000 Yes.
00:33:27.000 Why do they always need a crisis?
00:33:29.000 Well, when you have a crisis, you can justify taking extraordinary steps, emergency powers or whatever it happens to be.
00:33:35.000 So a crisis freaks people out and you say, well, normally I wouldn't consent to this, but we're in a crisis.
00:33:39.000 Normally, I wouldn't run fleeing from my house and leave it unguarded, the door open, but it's on fire.
00:33:45.000 When there's a crisis, people allow for different behaviors.
00:33:50.000 That 30 seconds, what is one practical step we could take to weaken these people?
00:33:56.000 You already said it.
00:33:56.000 It's mockery.
00:33:57.000 Anything that lowers, you want to think generally, anything that lowers the public trust level in these people.
00:34:03.000 So mockery, exposing when they lie, exposing when they say they want to control us, exposing when they say that they want to force behaviors like Larry Fink did.
00:34:11.000 Get a lot of mileage out of playing that one little clip of Larry Fink over and over and over again.
00:34:14.000 Well, people have to have their behaviors forced. 0.98
00:34:16.000 They won't put women on their boards if we don't force them to, so we're going to force them to. 1.00
00:34:20.000 Any of this, anything that lowers that trust level, that raises the suspicion level and takes away the power of their fake credentials, I think is the key.
00:34:30.000 I feel as if we have a little bit of momentum right now, don't you?
00:34:33.000 We are gaining momentum.
00:34:34.000 We have to keep the pressure on everybody.
00:34:36.000 We are living.
00:34:37.000 I think truly, in the next 18 months, we could deliver a death blow of the woke.
00:34:41.000 We're not there yet.
00:34:42.000 Things have to fall in line, but we are at a place right now where these people are finally running for the hills.
00:34:48.000 James, we're out of time.
00:34:49.000 Thanks so much.
00:34:50.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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