00:00:48.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:07.000It's incredible what you've been able to accomplish with Turning Point USA.
00:02:11.000And I'm just happy to be involved in some way, shape, or form.
00:02:15.000But yeah, in Utah, I mean, I'm sure you've seen, we've been dealing with just the craziest situation where the grassroots just feel like we're completely disenfranchised.
00:02:27.000You've got this sort of wing of the party, this rhino class that forcing stuff down our throats that nobody in Utah wants, like this woke flag, like porn in schools that has taken way too long to even get removed and it still hasn't been removed.
00:02:45.000They're now trying to remove the Bible.
00:02:47.000And it's just, it's issue after issue where the grassroots is like, look, this is not our GOP.
00:02:59.000And so I'm running in hopes that we can bring some trust back to the Utah GOP and show that, look, with this young representation and with the grassroots back in charge, people are going to start donating again.
00:03:11.000And we're seeing that all across the country.
00:03:14.000Yeah, so Gunner, let's talk about, you know, Utah in particular.
00:03:19.000Obviously, we have Mitt Romney, and it is a predominant LDS state.
00:03:24.000Are you starting to see trends or patterns that people in the LDS community want a stronger conservative agenda, not what Mitt Romney has been offering?
00:03:34.000Well, yeah, I mean, a recent poll just came out.
00:03:36.000His approval rating is lower than it's ever been.
00:03:40.000There's just been things that have been happening recently, I feel like, you know, where people are starting to wake up.
00:03:47.000You know, look, you can fool us once, but you're not going to fool us twice.
00:03:51.000And the people of Utah have really woken up.
00:03:54.000And we now have some people who are stepping in to run and some great people like Mayor Trent Staggs, you know, who are stepping up and people are getting behind.
00:04:04.000So there's definitely some optimism to be had.
00:04:06.000I'm certainly optimistic that Utah is not going to be fooled twice.
00:04:11.000And the polls are really starting to show that.
00:04:14.000Yeah, so within Republican circles in Utah, would you say that the grassroots is starting to gain more and more of a footing?
00:04:24.000I mean, there's kind of a lot of several aspects here.
00:04:49.000So, yeah, I just got elected recently to the state central committee.
00:04:53.000And, you know, we now have the most conservative state central committee that we've had in years.
00:05:00.000And so the deck is certainly starting to lean more towards the grassroots, which is why I feel so inspired to run because the grassroots, I mean, there's just this overwhelming energy that we're leaving behind that Bush type Republicanism, that Cheney Republicanism that Mitt Romney and Spencer Cox and all these people represent.
00:05:24.000Now, look, as national committeemen, I'm going to stay neutral.
00:05:28.000And I believe and I'm optimistic that the people of Utah are not going to be fooled twice and that they're going to elect really good Republicans in office.
00:05:38.000And I'm fully prepared to support whoever gets our nomination.
00:05:43.000And the party's waking up to support those who go through convention and instead of those that go and sort of circumnavigate the party, if you will, via the signature path.
00:05:57.000But nationally, to your second part of the question, I'm really concerned, Charlie, there's rumors going around that there's sort of plans maybe from the RNC to cook up some type of rule change to keep Trump off the ballot.
00:06:13.000Any person under indictment may not be able to get the nomination.
00:06:17.000I just want to make sure that we have strong conservative leaders who are going to be prepared to stand up and defend this country and defend people from the craziness that we're seeing from our DOJ and FBI.
00:06:31.000And so that's why I think it's more important than ever that we have really strong, courageous voices on the RNC that are willing to step up and defend this country.
00:07:44.000It's something they could drum something up and then have him run again.
00:07:48.000Or what could happen is he could drop out and then Spencer Cox would appoint his replacement until the end of the term, which is also something that happens a lot in Utah.
00:08:03.000We just saw this in North Dakota of grassroots, strong conservative patriots that are running and winning for national committeeman, state party chair.
00:08:14.000The moderates are being thrown out of the party, and MAGA, grassroots, America first, focused on the strong issues is ascendant.
00:09:41.000Every day, the parallel economy grows bigger and bigger.
00:09:44.000It's powered by everyday Americans who are sick and tired of all the woke nonsense being jammed into every product they consume.
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00:12:18.000Not an employee with a Pride badge, not a flag, not a mention, not a you could donate to the chemical castration of a poor kid in Mississippi poster.
00:12:31.000That's a really interesting feature of reality today, Charlie, because it seems like, you know, it's everywhere, but then there's certain places it's not, which we see what happens where it's everywhere, right?
00:12:43.000Like but lights getting crushed, targets getting crushed.
00:12:48.000Target is a competitor to places like these.
00:14:11.000It could also be we're crushing our competitor target right now, so let's just be the boring thing that doesn't offend anybody in the meantime while our competitor gets absolutely savaged by this thing.
00:14:22.000Yeah, and so what you're trying to see is actual market forces like de-wokify the country.
00:14:29.000Oh, I don't think that that's the case.
00:14:30.000I think we're seeing a game of large-scale corporate consolidation into the players that have been maybe ordained or chosen because they're already the big purveyors.
00:16:02.000I've never seen a group of people lose their mind as much as when you isolate groomer, but you've actually read in the literature, initiation is actually part of.
00:16:19.000Look, it is time to consider a rollover of that 401k into an IRA.
00:16:25.000The investment world is completely different in 2023, and you cannot do the same thing as last year.
00:16:30.000Woke companies are aggressively implementing ESG.
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00:17:53.000They have to look like they have the grandest, smartest ideas.
00:17:56.000And if you just kind of point at that and you make one of those memes with like, you know, the bell curve with their stupid argument at the top and the smart guy, the Jedi and the moron agreeing, no, they're just grooming kids, you know, it cuts right through all of their pomposity.
00:18:11.000Secondly, though, when you can teach people to laugh, if you want to get people over, you know, if they say somebody's doing something like being woke or being racist or something like this, it's, you know, generally shameful.
00:18:22.000They're not going to come out and just like admit that they were wrong.
00:18:27.000But if you can get them to laugh at themselves and laugh about it and laugh with other people about it, when comedy is a vehicle for this, they'll overcome those prejudices and biases.
00:18:38.000It's a kind of a non-religious pathway and a very light pathway to looking for kind of self-forgiveness.
00:18:43.000And I think it's extremely valuable because imagine being caught up in woke and all of a sudden you have to come and like come clean with yourself.
00:18:50.000It's really going to be hard to admit, wow, I got sucked into thinking that cutting the genitals off of kids was a good idea.
00:18:55.000That's going to be hard to just confess, but you start making fun of it and you can kind of let it slide into your past, reckon with it on your own.
00:19:02.000And if we can learn to laugh and joke about these things, as a population, I mean, they have nothing to stand on because people will forgive themselves for the guilt and shame cycles that they keep themselves in.
00:19:11.000They thrive on moral superiority when it's really moral depravity and they take themselves so unbelievably serious.
00:19:17.000I'm talking about the woke intelligentsia.
00:21:28.000And so this becomes its own secret identity.
00:21:31.000And so, well, we need three more colors for that.
00:21:34.000And there's no bottom to this because, first of all, it's all made up.
00:21:37.000Second of all, it's narcissistic self-exploration.
00:21:41.000And so as widely variable as personalities can be, there's going to have to be colors for everything.
00:21:48.000So I wrote this when I was studying Leviticus the other day, which it came to me about kind of democratized scripture for all of humanity, that the left thrives on secret society language written in a way only their people can understand.
00:22:53.000Well, I mean, that's what Gnosis is about, is that you know the secret meaning beyond the regular meaning.
00:22:58.000I just came across a thing the other day, and it's talking about, you know, this is talking about bringing the sustainable development goals into people at the next level.
00:23:07.000And it's talking about this eight-stage process.
00:23:10.000It's called the human dignity score or the dignity index.
00:23:13.000It's called the dignity index from Unite Ed, which is United, which is spelled, but it's Tim Shriver's project to push into education, to bring spirituality to the menu.
00:23:32.000Score of five is all men are created equal and so on.
00:23:35.000Then there's three more levels where it's you never disagree with anybody or whatever.
00:23:39.000You know, honor everybody's personality and whatever they say at level seven or eight.
00:23:42.000And so, what you see, though, is that the true theme of truth and equality and, you know, a fair and equal society is level five, but they've got three more levels.
00:23:54.000They know the secret sauce to get past, say, the American experiment and take it into some brave new world.
00:24:00.000So, that is exactly why they use coded language is because they secretly know the secret meaning that the Constitution contained.
00:24:09.000They know the secret meaning that the Bible contained.
00:24:11.000They know the secret meaning, and you don't.
00:24:39.000We know your thing a little better than you do.
00:24:41.000And the reason, but you don't know it.
00:24:42.000You have to pay a tithe or give us your time in order to get to that secret.
00:24:47.000And you can't trust your priest or your pastor or your religious leader or yourself because they don't want you to know it because they are keeping you down.
00:24:55.000The American system is keeping you down.
00:24:56.000Just talking practically, the proliferation of the widespread reading of the scriptures was a challenge to secret gnosis.
00:25:10.000If everybody can read the scriptures in their own vernacular language, by the way, speaking of something that was a capital crime, they killed people for printing Bibles in languages people could read.
00:25:18.000They killed Tyndale for translating the Bible.
00:25:45.000Martin Luther was like, ah, and threw him in a well and left him to die there.
00:25:48.000So this tendency, which is the desire for power, can corrupt you in this way.
00:25:54.000And then you have your secret understanding of things.
00:25:57.000So even the guy that saw the corruption in the late Catholic church, late medieval Catholic church, couldn't resist the temptation for the corruption himself when he had the power.
00:26:08.000So we have this secret gnosis or mind.
00:26:11.000You can call them philosopher kings, the credentialed class.
00:26:15.000And you must have the certificate from their club.
00:27:21.000And then in this next tweet, though, he's like, well, there are people with PhDs that are saying the other stuff, but we don't listen to them.
00:27:26.000And so that means they get to arbitrarily decide.
00:27:28.000Yes, that's exactly right and who doesn't.
00:27:31.000When you layer a society not on wisdom or practical judgment, prudence or temperance, the great classical virtues, and instead you order society on credentialing, then you get to decide who gets to speak.
00:27:44.000Now, yes, if you have a PhD in mathematics and we're talking about quantum theory, I'm going to take what you say very seriously, unless it's bunk.
00:27:52.000Yeah, well, if I come out here and tell you that like four plus five is six, you can correct me, even though I have a PhD.
00:27:58.000At the same time, there has been unspeakable terror done to humanity by people with PhDs that were unchecked by the common ordinary person.
00:29:44.000The fact that you can have a podcast discussion between two dudes, not on CBS, ABC, or NBC, and then have a reaction on it on Twitter significantly move the zeitgeist and the national conversation.
00:29:57.000That's not, that's not what happened a couple years ago.
00:30:02.000We have a whole new way of challenging pre-existing orthodoxies now.
00:30:06.000Well, I think that that's because for the last two, three years, people like us, if I might give us a little credit, have gone around, dedicated a lot of time and energy to trying to wake people up.
00:30:15.000And the trust level that our society has for these experts is sort of abysmal, sort of bad.
00:30:22.000Now, it wasn't people just like us, though.
00:30:24.000I mean, the COVID thing was a catastrophe from the get-go.
00:30:27.000People were starting to see through it quickly.
00:31:12.000And when you make not just one misstep, but if they're missteps or not is a deeper question, but 500 errors from masks to lockdowns, kids in schools, so many errors that it's not possible that it was statistically random that they got the wrong answer to every single thing.
00:31:30.000I believe one of the main, so I think the middle ground explanation, because most of our audience says, okay, they're evil and they wanted to abolish all of humanity.
00:32:20.000But this is what the Roman emperors and the classics teach you, which is to be studied in the question of temperance and prudence and how do you balance one thing against the other.
00:33:57.000Anything that lowers, you want to think generally, anything that lowers the public trust level in these people.
00:34:03.000So mockery, exposing when they lie, exposing when they say they want to control us, exposing when they say that they want to force behaviors like Larry Fink did.
00:34:11.000Get a lot of mileage out of playing that one little clip of Larry Fink over and over and over again.
00:34:14.000Well, people have to have their behaviors forced.
00:34:16.000They won't put women on their boards if we don't force them to, so we're going to force them to.
00:34:20.000Any of this, anything that lowers that trust level, that raises the suspicion level and takes away the power of their fake credentials, I think is the key.
00:34:30.000I feel as if we have a little bit of momentum right now, don't you?