The Charlie Kirk Show - Debates Are Coming: How Trump Can Win

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00:00:08.000 The debates are coming.

00:00:10.000 How is Donald Trump supposed to handle Joe Biden and vice versa?

00:00:14.000 We go through a historical analysis of can't miss debate moments and how President Trump can win these debates.

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00:00:41.000 The debates are coming.

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00:01:19.000 So look, we are less than a week to the first of the three presidential debates.

00:01:24.000 We have been getting record amounts of emails from all of you at freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com, asking about who's going to win the debate, who's going to come out on top, what is the advantage, what is the conversation going to look like.

00:01:38.000 So look, in United States political history, the presidential debates were actually born out of a series of seven Illinois senatorial debates between Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas in 1858.

00:01:50.000 They came about because as Douglass traveled the state, Lincoln would follow his path and guide his own speeches and response to his opponent.

00:01:59.000 Eventually, the two agreed to take the stage together for seven debates.

00:02:04.000 These became known as the Lincoln-Douglas debates.

00:02:08.000 And they started a whole new style of Socratic dialogue.

00:02:13.000 There were no moderators, and they just went three hours long, mono limano.

00:02:17.000 This actually would actually be really strong for Trump as an aside.

00:02:21.000 Now, putting aside the length and the lack of the dishonest media moderator, it would actually be a chance for Biden to have to answer for his positions, not just the one-minute soundbite chunks, but in a substantive longer form.

00:02:35.000 Lincoln, of course, lost that Senate seat, but went on to win the presidency in 1860 without any presidential debates.

00:02:43.000 Five election cycles have passed without much public argument between candidates.

00:02:49.000 The dialogue was separate and usually in the form of campaign speeches.

00:02:54.000 In 1948, the presidential debate would get a boost with a radio broadcast of a debate between a Republican primary contender, Thomas Dewey and Harold Stason.

00:03:04.000 Between 40 and 80 million listeners tuned into the radio broadcast of the pair's debate over outlawing communism in the United States.

00:03:12.000 But debates really didn't catch much steam.

00:03:14.000 They didn't matter until 1960, when the form of debates we know is today were boring.

00:03:20.000 A series of debates between Senator John F. Kennedy and Vice President Richard Nixon, which was televised nationwide.

00:03:28.000 And this made all the difference, and we'll get into this later.

00:03:31.000 So I want to go through some of the most memorable and impactful debate moments from history and the lessons that both Trump and Biden can learn.

00:03:40.000 Now, look, this is where I get the most excited.

00:03:43.000 I am a student of history.

00:03:44.000 I've watched almost every single presidential debate ever on record, whether it be JFK versus Nixon or Bush versus Gore.

00:03:52.000 I love this stuff.

00:03:53.000 And I think there's a lot of substantive, important political lessons that Trump can derive from it, and also warning signs that I hope Trump knows not to fall into.

00:04:06.000 So here's the first thing: image matters.

00:04:10.000 Many of you probably know the Kennedy versus Nixon debate was not one on substance, it was one on style.

00:04:17.000 In the first televised debate, JFK came across as the clear winner for a very simple reason.

00:04:23.000 He was poised on air, which translates loosely to image.

00:04:28.000 In fact, political mythology holds that those who listened to the debate thought Nixon had won, but those that watched it had a much different opinion.

00:04:37.000 JFK was seen as being from a younger generation, even though Nixon was only four years older than JFK.

00:04:43.000 His cool East Coast media savvy translated into resounding victory on air.

00:04:49.000 Nixon was seen as nervous, constantly sweating, with darting eyes, choosing to forego wearing any makeup or powder, not used to the blare of studio lights and how that affects your image.

00:05:00.000 And Nixon was actually the sitting vice president when he was doing these debates.

00:05:04.000 Donald Trump has the clear advantage here, obviously stemming from his long career on television.

00:05:09.000 Image absolutely matters.

00:05:11.000 People will rarely remember what you say, but they'll remember how you make them feel, and most importantly, how you look.

00:05:18.000 I hate to be that superficial, but that's just the way a lot of people interpret politics and also how they analyze and how they digest this sorts of information.

00:05:28.000 President Trump has the inherent image advantage against Biden.

00:05:33.000 He's a much bigger guy.

00:05:34.000 He's much more commanding.

00:05:35.000 He has the best body language of any politician I've ever seen.

00:05:40.000 Just watch President Trump enter a rally.

00:05:44.000 And you guys might not have seen this before.

00:05:45.000 Look how he keeps himself upright, the commanding gestures of his hands, how he always moves his hands in a decisive way.

00:05:54.000 He's a power body language expert, the best I've ever seen.

00:06:00.000 Whether he's conducting a meeting, it's always, I'm in control.

00:06:03.000 It's demonstrative gestures.

00:06:05.000 If you look at the Oval Office meeting with Schumer, leaned over while Trump has his hands out very wide, do you notice that Trump is always with his hands going like karate chopping?

00:06:16.000 It's because it gets your attention and it looks like that he's in control and you have to follow his lead.

00:06:23.000 He's incredibly good at this.

00:06:25.000 Joe Biden is frail and looks like someone that should be in an old person's home.

00:06:30.000 So here's another very interesting part of this: the incumbent disadvantage.

00:06:36.000 In 1976, Gerald Ford, in what's considered the first real gaffe in a presidential debate, Ford stumbled over a question during the second debate regarding Poland, which he insisted was, quote, under Soviet domination.

00:06:51.000 Play tape.

00:06:53.000 There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe, and there never will be under a Ford administration.

00:07:03.000 I'm sorry, could I just follow?

00:07:05.000 Did I understand you to say, sir, that the Russians are not using Eastern Europe as their own sphere of influence and occupying most of the countries there and making sure with their troops that it's a communist zone, whereas on our side of the line, the Italians and the French are still flirting with Poland.

00:07:22.000 I don't believe, Mr. Franco, that the Yugoslavians consider themselves dominated by the Soviet Union.

00:07:30.000 It, of course, was.

00:07:32.000 Considering the fact that Ford was thrust into office following Nixon's resignation, this comment gave the impression that President Ford was in over his head.

00:07:42.000 Carter went on to narrowly win that race.

00:07:45.000 Now, Reagan did very poorly in his first debate against Walter Mondale in 1984.

00:07:50.000 He came across as tired, confused, and aged, much like Joe Biden.

00:07:56.000 This raised questions about his level of actual involvement in the White House and his ability to run the nation.

00:08:04.000 Mondale saw a significant bump in the polls after this, but it was Reagan's move in the next debate between the two that became memorable.

00:08:12.000 Proof that a rebound is always possible.

00:08:16.000 I also want to talk about the incumbent disadvantage for Barack Obama.

00:08:21.000 Mitt Romney won the first debate back in 2012.

00:08:25.000 In the 2012 election, Mitt Romney was poised, he was confident, and Barack Obama was not.

00:08:32.000 Obama came to play in the second and third debate and did much better than Mitt Romney.

00:08:37.000 It is a trap debate for the incumbent president.

00:08:39.000 It always has been, it always will be.

00:08:41.000 They do not do well.

00:08:42.000 President Trump has to take this warning seriously.

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00:10:20.000 You guys love to laugh.

00:10:22.000 I don't think we laugh enough in our country.

00:10:23.000 2020 is not exactly a year of laughter or humor or comedy, anything but that.

00:10:28.000 This is something that President Reagan was at his best at.

00:10:32.000 Following the perception that Reagan was too old for his job, the former Hollywood star played it off perfectly.

00:10:38.000 You've probably heard this before.

00:10:39.000 It's probably one of the most iconic quips in debate history.

00:10:44.000 Play tape.

00:10:45.000 You already are the oldest president in history, and some of your staff say you were tired after your most recent encounter with Mr. Mondale.

00:10:54.000 I recall yet that President Kennedy had to go for days on end with very little sleep during the Cuba Missile Crisis.

00:11:00.000 Is there any doubt in your mind that you would be able to function in such circumstances?

00:11:05.000 Not at all, Mr. Truitt.

00:11:07.000 And I want you to know that also, I will not make age an issue of this campaign.

00:11:12.000 I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience.

00:11:25.000 And if you're watching on video, you'll see very carefully that even the debate moderator and his opponent laughed at his joke.

00:11:32.000 Now, a move like this in general won't land with Biden the way it did with Mondale or even play in the way in the media, but the base will love it and so will swing voters.

00:11:42.000 Trump is a very funny person, and he should use that to his advantage.

00:11:47.000 I think in the first round of debates with Hillary Clinton, he had a hard time letting that part of his personality shine through with one very notable exception, which leads us to our next example and very important takeaway.

00:12:01.000 You'd be in jail.

00:12:03.000 I remember exactly where I was when I heard this.

00:12:05.000 I was in St. Petersburg, Florida.

00:12:06.000 I was watching the debate.

00:12:08.000 And when he said it, I couldn't believe it.

00:12:09.000 I leaned in.

00:12:10.000 I said, did he just say that?

00:12:13.000 President Trump did this off the cuff, and it created such an organic, viral explosion, it's hard to even put it into words.

00:12:21.000 Play tape.

00:12:23.000 It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country.

00:12:30.000 Because you'd be in jail.

00:12:31.000 Secretary Clinton.

00:12:37.000 So why does this matter?

00:12:39.000 It's because it got the base motivated and it made a broader point.

00:12:43.000 You see, creating organic and viral content is the key to making debates work in the age of 24-hour news cycle.

00:12:52.000 Organic, though, is an important point, not the way that Hillary tried to do with her prescripted lines, such as, I'd call it, I don't know, Trump up, trickled down, economics. 0.98

00:13:04.000 Aha, ha It didn't work for Hillary, okay?

00:13:08.000 And it won't work for Biden, and it definitely will not work for Trump if he tries to have these one-liners saved.

00:13:15.000 Now, remember, the town hall format was the one where that locker room talk topic was brought up.

00:13:23.000 And that's where Trump's comment was about you'd be in jail.

00:13:26.000 That's what people were talking about, not the Billy Bush tape.

00:13:30.000 Hillary Clinton thought she had Trump in that matchup, and you could tell by her demeanor and her overall attitude. 0.58

00:13:36.000 But he outflanked her with one simple quip and disarmed her attacks for the rest of the evening, refocusing the message back to where he wanted it, on her corruption, on how she can't be trusted.

00:13:50.000 When it comes to Joe Biden, it is inevitable that Joe Biden is going to have some sort of mental stumble, that Joe Biden is going to forget a word or call Donald Hillary or call Chris Wallace Jill Biden or go bite Donald Trump's ear or something.

00:14:06.000 It's inevitable that happens.

00:14:08.000 Donald Trump does need to be prepared for one of those moments.

00:14:12.000 So when Joe Biden says, now you listen, Barack, I mean, George, I mean, you know the thing. 0.98

00:14:20.000 You lying dogface pony soldier. 0.56

00:14:22.000 When Joe Biden has that moment, Donald Trump has to be very careful and he has to be very disciplined not to go for the kill. 0.97

00:14:32.000 Instead, a lighter touch would be better.

00:14:36.000 Exploiting Biden's mental weakness correctly will be a winning strategy.

00:14:41.000 Doing it incorrectly could be detrimental.

00:14:44.000 Let's go back to the Republican primary, 2012.

00:14:47.000 Mitt Romney versus Ron Paul versus Rick Perry, where Rick Perry forgot one of the branches of government.

00:14:53.000 He had back surgery a couple days before.

00:14:55.000 He was on painkillers.

00:14:56.000 Love Rick Perry.

00:14:58.000 A moment that I hope he forgets that he forgot what he forgot.

00:15:02.000 Play tape.

00:15:03.000 It's three agencies of government when I get there that are gone.

00:15:07.000 Commerce, education, and the what's the third one there?

00:15:12.000 Let's see.

00:15:13.000 EPA.

00:15:14.000 There you go.

00:15:14.000 EPA.

00:15:15.000 No, okay. 1.00

00:15:16.000 Let's stop.

00:15:17.000 Let's stop depositing.

00:15:18.000 Seriously?

00:15:20.000 Is EPA the one you were talking about?

00:15:22.000 No, sir.

00:15:23.000 You can't name the third one?

00:15:25.000 The third agency of government.

00:15:27.000 I would do away with the education, the commerce.

00:15:34.000 And let's see.

00:15:36.000 I can't.

00:15:37.000 The third one, I can't.

00:15:38.000 Sorry.

00:15:39.000 Oops.

00:15:40.000 So that was the number one thing that Rick Perry was defined for for years.

00:15:45.000 For better or for worse, these politicians always found themselves in some form of a media-created straitjacket that they couldn't get out of at any cost.

00:15:56.000 It is very likely that a moment like one of these will happen.

00:16:00.000 Here's how Trump needs to exploit it.

00:16:03.000 Similar to when Chris Christie took down Marco Rubio over his pre-canned lines, let's play a montage of Marco Rubio saying the same thing over and over again on the eve of the New Hampshire debate in the 2016 primary.

00:16:16.000 Play tape.

00:16:17.000 But I would add this: let's dispel with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing.

00:16:21.000 He knows exactly what he's doing.

00:16:23.000 He is trying to change this country.

00:16:25.000 He wants America to become more like the rest of the world.

00:16:28.000 We don't want to be like the rest of the world.

00:16:30.000 We want to be the United States of America.

00:16:32.000 And when I'm elected president, this will become once again the single greatest nation in the history of the world, not the disaster Barack Obama has imposed upon us.

00:16:40.000 These are the facts.

00:16:40.000 Who's the bottom line?

00:16:41.000 This notion that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing is just not the memorized 25-second speech.

00:16:50.000 It also reminds me of when Ronald Reagan more gently knocked Jimmy Carter in 1980 with his famous lines, there you go again, play tape.

00:16:58.000 These are the kind of elements of a national health insurance important to the American people.

00:17:02.000 Governor Reagan, again, typically is against such a proposal.

00:17:06.000 Governor, there you go again.

00:17:11.000 President Trump has to be able to shine a gleaming spotlight on Joe Biden's mental decline, but not make fun of it and not make light of it.

00:17:20.000 Perry's oops moment effectively ended his campaign.

00:17:24.000 Something similar could happen if Trump plays his cards right when Biden's oops moment surely comes.

00:17:32.000 Here's what he has to do.

00:17:34.000 When Joe Biden does something laughable or regrettable, Donald Trump has to say, I think we all know exactly what's happening over there.

00:17:46.000 And it's not good.

00:17:47.000 Not good at all.

00:17:48.000 Something like that.

00:17:49.000 Something where it's just such a slight touch.

00:17:52.000 It is a perfect response.

00:17:54.000 Remember, both candidates have hot mics throughout the entire debate.

00:17:58.000 They're not supposed to interrupt each other.

00:18:00.000 They can basically do whatever they want.

00:18:01.000 And Trump will interrupt Biden if Chris Wallace is the moderate.

00:18:05.000 He has to be careful doing that.

00:18:06.000 But if Joe Biden starts to just go off and say, we hold these truths to be, you know, the thing.

00:18:11.000 And Chris Wallace, you're not white if you're not black if you don't vote for me.

00:18:15.000 And if you go to a 7-Eleven and you get a soda and you're not an Indian accent, then what are you on cocaine?

00:18:22.000 One of those moments that Donald Trump needs to just say very gently, I think it's kind of sad what we're watching right now.

00:18:30.000 It's not good.

00:18:31.000 It's not good at all. 1.00

00:18:32.000 Not, I told you he's a total loser. 1.00

00:18:34.000 Lock him up. 1.00

00:18:35.000 Throw away the keys.

00:18:36.000 And where's Hunter, by the way?

00:18:37.000 That's a bad way to respond.

00:18:38.000 Don't do that.

00:18:39.000 Instead, the gentle, light touch is the correct way to handle that.

00:18:44.000 Let people draw their own conclusions.

00:18:47.000 Don't dive too much into the mental decline issue.

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00:20:08.000 President Trump must be ready to tackle unfair and outrageous questions from the moderators.

00:20:14.000 During the 1988 debates, Massachusetts governor was asked, if Kitty Dukakis was raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty?

00:20:24.000 His response to that question effectively ended his whole political career.

00:20:27.000 Play tape.

00:20:28.000 The first question goes to Governor Dukakis.

00:20:31.000 You have two minutes to respond.

00:20:34.000 Governor, if Kitty Dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer?

00:20:46.000 No, I don't, Bernard, and I think you know that I've opposed the death penalty during all of my life.

00:20:51.000 I don't see any evidence that it's the deterrent.

00:20:54.000 And I think there are better and more effective ways to deal with violent crime.

00:20:58.000 We've done so in my own state, and it's one of the reasons why we have had the biggest drop in crime of any industrial state in America, why we have the lowest murder rate of any industrial state in America.

00:21:08.000 All that Dukakis had to do was show a level of empathy or political tact, which he was completely failed to do, instead of opting to be a slave to his message.

00:21:18.000 Dukakis would have done better to respond how I believe Trump would have responded by attacking the premise of the question and painting the media in a negative, unfair light.

00:21:28.000 But the trap that Dukakis fell in, and the one that Trump is more likely to fall in as it relates to this example, is this, that Joe Biden is perceived to have empathy, if nothing else.

00:21:39.000 I think that the more that Trump can show himself as a human being, as someone who is magnanimous, who's above the moment, the better.

00:21:47.000 Look, I know the president.

00:21:49.000 I know him personally.

00:21:50.000 I know him as a caring person.

00:21:51.000 I know him as someone who loves human beings.

00:21:54.000 That's why he ran for president.

00:21:56.000 It would serve the president well to show that side of him during the debate.

00:22:01.000 It's not dissimilar than Bill Clinton, who is the king of displaying empathy, sometimes in an inauthentic way, but still he came across as authentic.

00:22:13.000 And he did this in the H.W. Bush debate, where he revolutionized the town hall style of debate, responding to a struggling woman asking about the economy.

00:22:22.000 Clinton responds to, I feel your pain.

00:22:25.000 Play tape.

00:22:26.000 Tell me how it's affected you again.

00:22:29.000 You know people who lost their job and lost their homes.

00:22:33.000 Well, I've been governor of a small state for 12 years.

00:22:36.000 I'll tell you how it's affected me.

00:22:38.000 Every year, Congress and the president sign laws that make us do more things and gives us less money to do it with.

00:22:47.000 I see people in my state, middle-class people, their taxes have gone up in Washington and their services have gone down, while the wealthy have gotten tax cuts.

00:22:57.000 I have seen what's happened in this last four years.

00:22:59.000 In my state, when people lose their jobs, there's a good chance I'll know them by their names.

00:23:04.000 When a factory closes, I know the people who ran it.

00:23:06.000 When the businesses go bankrupt, I know them.

00:23:09.000 And I've been out here for 13 months meeting in meetings just like this ever since October with people like you all over America.

00:23:17.000 People that have lost their jobs, lost their livelihood, lost their health insurance.

00:23:20.000 Whereas when George H.W. Bush in that very same debate was asked about the national debt, he was talking about cutting spending and curbing spending.

00:23:30.000 They both had the same question.

00:23:32.000 And listen how H.W. Bush answered that.

00:23:35.000 It's a technocratic answer versus an empathetic answer.

00:23:39.000 Listen to how H.W. Bush answered that.

00:23:41.000 Play tape.

00:23:42.000 How has national debt personally affected each of your lives?

00:23:47.000 And if it hasn't, how can you honestly find a cure for the economic problems of the common people if you have no experience in what's ailing them?

00:23:58.000 Mr. President.

00:23:59.000 Well, I think the national debt affects everybody.

00:24:03.000 Obviously, it has a lot to do with interest rates.

00:24:06.000 It has a personal basis.

00:24:09.000 How has it affected you?

00:24:11.000 Has it affected you personally?

00:24:13.000 Well, I'm sure it has.

00:24:14.000 I love my grandchildren.

00:24:16.000 I want to think that.

00:24:17.000 I want to think that they're going to be able to afford an education.

00:24:21.000 I think that that's an important part of being a parent.

00:24:23.000 If the question, if you're, maybe I won't get it wrong.

00:24:26.000 Are you suggesting that if somebody has means that the national debt doesn't affect them?

00:24:31.000 Bill Clinton was at the best of, we're all in this together.

00:24:35.000 I feel your pain.

00:24:37.000 Where Donald Trump needs to do more of, you know what?

00:24:40.000 I hear you.

00:24:41.000 I feel you.

00:24:42.000 And that's why I fight for you.

00:24:43.000 Just that little moment, that little window into, I got it.

00:24:48.000 That's why I'm fighting so hard.

00:24:50.000 I got your back.

00:24:51.000 Something like that, where he's talking to someone directly, that is going to connect with tens of millions of people.

00:24:57.000 Many people in battleground states that are not yet voting for Donald Trump or voting for Biden actually agree with Trump on the policies.

00:25:06.000 They don't like Trump's personality.

00:25:08.000 This is an opportunity for Trump to show a human side of himself.

00:25:12.000 Not that he doesn't do it at rallies or other places, but this is when the most amount of people are going to tune in.

00:25:18.000 And going back to the Dukakis example, when someone asks about your raped wife, maybe you should address how horrendous that scenario is to begin with.

00:25:26.000 Dukakis just ignored the terrible hypothetical situation and went straight to policy.

00:25:31.000 Here's how Dukakis should have answered the question.

00:25:34.000 By the way, Dukakis was ahead of H.W. Bush by 18 points in August of 1988.

00:25:40.000 Here's how Dukakis should have answered the question. 0.98

00:25:43.000 If somebody raped my wife, you would have to prevent me from killing that person. 1.00

00:25:50.000 So I'd put a bullet in them. 1.00

00:25:52.000 Now, the reason I don't support the death penalty, because I don't think the government should do what my impulse always is. 1.00

00:26:00.000 But that's a disgusting question.

00:26:03.000 But he'd have to hold me back first.

00:26:05.000 Something like that, every single swing voter in the country would have resonated with that.

00:26:09.000 Every single one. 0.99

00:26:10.000 Instead, it was like, huh, raping of a wife happens every other Saturday. 0.76

00:26:14.000 And by the way, that's why I don't like the death penalty.

00:26:17.000 Like, what?

00:26:18.000 It was so insincere.

00:26:19.000 It was so out of the way that you should have. 0.98

00:26:22.000 People were saying, did you just say he raped like, do you not love your wife? 0.80

00:26:25.000 Like, what is going on? 0.85

00:26:27.000 And because that Dukakis fell terribly in the polls and H.W. Bush got re-elected, it was on the backs of the Willie Horton ad.

00:26:34.000 Here's what else President Trump needs to do.

00:26:36.000 President Trump needs to highlight himself as the candidate who can achieve results where Joe Biden has never achieved any.

00:26:43.000 By the time they did debate, Trump will have done more in 47 months than Joe Biden did in 47 years of Washington.

00:26:51.000 So here's the message that Donald Trump needs to just keep on repeating.

00:26:54.000 Joe Biden, if your ideas were so good, why didn't you do it over the past 47 years and eight years as vice president?

00:27:01.000 I'm cleaning up your mess in four years that you created in 47 years.

00:27:06.000 That's the thesis statement.

00:27:08.000 Everything has to go back to that.

00:27:10.000 Reminding people that Joe Biden is not an outsider, that Joe Biden is actually the incumbent.

00:27:16.000 While he might not be literally the incumbent, he is the metaphorical incumbent for the philosophy, the worldview, and the decisions that have been ruling Washington, D.C. in our country for the last four decades.

00:27:29.000 Donald Trump is the disruptor that needs more time to achieve his vision successfully of why people rose up in numbers for him in 2016.

00:27:37.000 Trump needs to highlight himself as the candidate that can do that.

00:27:42.000 In just the month that preceded this debate, Trump will have signed three peace deals, gaining two different nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize.

00:27:50.000 He will have nominated his third Supreme Court justice, doing more to change national policy with three appointments than Joe Biden did through the policy in this Senate or the White House.

00:27:59.000 But everything needs to be this: I'm the janitor.

00:28:02.000 You're the person who created the mess.

00:28:04.000 I'm cleaning up your mess, Joe Biden.

00:28:08.000 I got Iran in check.

00:28:09.000 I moved the embassy to Jerusalem. 0.96

00:28:12.000 I recognize the goal line heights. 1.00

00:28:14.000 I'm keeping China in check.

00:28:16.000 Joe Biden, you sold us out to China.

00:28:18.000 That is the framing.

00:28:20.000 Every time Joe Biden attacks Trump, he should respond calmly and gently by saying, Okay, Joe, why didn't you do that in 47 years when you're in Washington?

00:28:28.000 I did. 1.00

00:28:28.000 You locked up black people in prison. 1.00

00:28:30.000 I helped get them out correctly through the First Step Act. 0.99

00:28:34.000 You opened up the borders. 0.99

00:28:35.000 I closed the borders.

00:28:37.000 I corrected the 94 crime bill.

00:28:39.000 You wrote the 94 crime bill.

00:28:41.000 President Trump also needs to come across as vibrant, young, and energetic.

00:28:45.000 This is obvious to some people, but Trump has more energy and mental acuity than Joe Biden by far.

00:28:53.000 And here's one thing that President Trump has to do: he has to do it.

00:28:58.000 It's going to come across as something that you might not expect.

00:29:02.000 President Trump has to be the first person to smile.

00:29:06.000 President Trump has to smile before Joe Biden.

00:29:10.000 Donald Trump has a great smile.

00:29:12.000 And I will say, Joe Biden has a good smile too.

00:29:15.000 Pretty good.

00:29:15.000 It's all right.

00:29:18.000 Barack Obama had a great smile.

00:29:20.000 Mitt Romney, awful smile.

00:29:22.000 Hillary Clinton, the worst smile I've ever seen of any smile in the history. 0.99

00:29:25.000 When she was smiling, it looked like she was doing some sort of Machiavellian intercontinental takeover.

00:29:31.000 And by the way, Joe Biden might wear a mask, which just might kind of play into this whole idea that he's about to be admitted to the hospital.

00:29:38.000 And what's the over-under on the mask?

00:29:39.000 I don't know.

00:29:40.000 And by the way, email me your thoughts on whether or not you think Joe Biden's going to wear a mask and your whole thoughts on all this.

00:29:45.000 But Joe Biden's smiling about something.

00:29:48.000 People want to be excited about America again.

00:29:51.000 People want to be enthused about our country.

00:29:54.000 President Trump needs to be optimistic.

00:29:56.000 He cannot be doom and gloom.

00:29:57.000 And he cannot be overly defensive.

00:29:59.000 It needs to be a forward-thinking debate.

00:30:01.000 And he has to establish that early.

00:30:03.000 There's an old Soviet line that reminds me of Joe Biden. 0.72

00:30:08.000 The Soviet line goes like this: In Soviet Russia, the future is certain.

00:30:15.000 It's the past that we're not sure of. 1.00

00:30:17.000 It's perfect.

00:30:18.000 Meaning, Joe Biden is always trying to rewrite what already happened.

00:30:21.000 Joe, you've been here for a couple decades.

00:30:24.000 And you're trying to say you know what's going to come next?

00:30:26.000 Of course you don't know.

00:30:27.000 President Donald Trump needs to lean in and firmly and clearly say: the future under four more years of means more justices you can count on, a safe country, a stable country, safe communities, and a vibrant economy.

00:30:44.000 President Trump wins on the economy.

00:30:47.000 I hate to get back to just kind of how the corporate types in the Republican Party are always repeating these pre-rehearsed talking points, but there's truth to it.

00:30:57.000 President Trump's numbers on the economy are double-digit better than Joe Biden.

00:31:02.000 Say, Joe Biden will raise your taxes.

00:31:05.000 Lockdown Joe will lock down America again.

00:31:08.000 I got Big Ten football back.

00:31:10.000 It's about to be an exciting time to be an American.

00:31:13.000 Believe in me, and we're going to get through this together.

00:31:16.000 Boom.

00:31:16.000 That's the message right there.

00:31:18.000 Whereas Joe Biden's going to say, come on, man, you killed all these people.

00:31:22.000 Instead of being combative, Donald Trump must be dismissive.

00:31:26.000 Do not take Joe Biden head on.

00:31:28.000 He needs to be dismissive, kind of like an old nagging person that's just in your ear.

00:31:32.000 Like, okay, I got it.

00:31:33.000 Thank you very much.

00:31:34.000 Okay.

00:31:35.000 Just like constantly in your ear.

00:31:37.000 Enough.

00:31:38.000 Instead, Donald Trump has an opportunity here to really dismiss Joe Biden as someone who is very confused.

00:31:46.000 Here's what Joe Biden's strategy is going to be.

00:31:49.000 He's going to come out swinging, come out hard, come out with pre-rehearsed one-liners that will provoke Donald Trump. 1.00

00:31:57.000 He will come out with the Atlantic piece, I guarantee it, and say, you called my son a sucker and a loser. 0.99

00:32:03.000 Here's how President Trump needs to respond to the Atlantic story. 0.99

00:32:06.000 Joe, that's a lie.

00:32:08.000 27 people who were with me that day said it is not true.

00:32:12.000 And those are anonymous sources that have still not come to surface.

00:32:16.000 That is not true.

00:32:17.000 I would never say that.

00:32:19.000 But here's what is true.

00:32:20.000 Joe Biden, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton let four people die on September 11th, 2012 in Benghazi.

00:32:29.000 Joe Biden, you were the only one that said we should not go kill Osama bin Laden.

00:32:33.000 Joe Biden, every theater that you touched in the Middle East turned to chaos, from Libya to Syria to Iraq to Afghanistan.

00:32:41.000 Explain to me, Joe Biden, what record you have besides appeasing the Iranians and taking money from China.

00:32:48.000 I'm not even going to take that seriously at face value, and the American people should neither.

00:32:52.000 I'm now nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

00:32:55.000 You should be nominated for bringing us closer to World War III.

00:32:58.000 That's the framing that President Trump needs to bring.

00:33:01.000 Dismiss, confront it a little bit.

00:33:04.000 Don't allow, just don't ignore it.

00:33:07.000 Don't ignore the accusation because a lot of people think it's true, and then transition.

00:33:12.000 So here are the questions that President Trump needs to be prepared for.

00:33:15.000 We mentioned the Atlantic story and also the COVID issue.

00:33:19.000 I mentioned this on a previous episode of the Charlie Kirk show, but if Joe Biden tries to pin COVID on Trump, then he needs to pin H1N1 on Biden immediately.

00:33:27.000 Say that you left my cupboards bare, and this is the top issue for Democrats.

00:33:31.000 You left the cupboards bare.

00:33:33.000 There is no personal protection equipment for us.

00:33:35.000 I shut down travel to China and you called that xenophobic.

00:33:39.000 President Trump also needs to be ready to tell the truth about the fires in California, that they didn't start because of climate change.

00:33:46.000 Texas has more forest land than California, and it's not on fire.

00:33:49.000 It's about forest management.

00:33:52.000 This seems small, but it points to a larger, more important difference than Trump and Biden.

00:33:58.000 Trump can go into depth and explain the intricacies of what needs to be done.

00:34:02.000 He did an entire segment on Mark Levin on this on Sunday.

00:34:05.000 Joe Biden can't.

00:34:07.000 He only lies and leans on the cudgel of climate change.

00:34:11.000 And again, why didn't Joe Biden do anything about climate change the last 47 years in office?

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00:34:32.000 Physical, of course, being better self-care and feeling confident.

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00:35:38.000 Finally, Joe Biden's going to play the race card.

00:35:41.000 Joe Biden will try to incorporate BLM Inc. and provoke Donald Trump on the race card.

00:35:47.000 This is actually one of the most vulnerable issues for Joe Biden.

00:35:53.000 Donald Trump needs to say, Joe.

00:35:57.000 You and the Democrats have done everything you possibly can to misrepresent my position when it comes to race.

00:36:02.000 Unlike you, I have never supported busing.

00:36:05.000 I was not friends with segregationists.

00:36:08.000 I did not want to lock up black people and call them super predators in the 1990s when you authored the Clinton crime bill. 0.53

00:36:14.000 I did not call Barack Obama a clean-cut black man, the first of which I've ever seen. 0.94

00:36:19.000 I did not call the inner cities a racial jungle.

00:36:22.000 I did not say that you can't go into a 7-Eleven without a slight Indian accent.

00:36:27.000 I did not say if you do not vote for me, then you ain't black. 0.70

00:36:31.000 I did not say that poor kids are just as smart as white kids. 0.99

00:36:35.000 And I did not call a black journalist a junkie and say, come on, man, why don't you take a drug test? 0.96

00:36:41.000 I didn't say any of those things. 0.98

00:36:42.000 You did.

00:36:43.000 I restored record funding for historical black colleges and universities.

00:36:47.000 I oversaw the lowest ever black unemployment rate in American history.

00:36:51.000 I saw opportunity zone investment and I helped pass the First Step Act.

00:36:56.000 While you caused racial division in this country and you judge people on the color of their skin, I don't.

00:37:01.000 I deliver results and opportunity.

00:37:03.000 You might not like the style that I go about doing it, but I get it done.

00:37:08.000 And right there is something that Trump needs to do.

00:37:12.000 He needs to admit that his style is not for everyone.

00:37:16.000 He needs to expose this vulnerability.

00:37:18.000 This is not something that the president, I think, is likely to do unless he is assisted or advised.

00:37:23.000 He needs to say this.

00:37:25.000 My style can be debated.

00:37:27.000 My results will not be debated.

00:37:30.000 Right there is a thesis statement for him.

00:37:33.000 It's like, you might not like the way I go about it, but I brought the Emiratis and Israel to the table.

00:37:38.000 You might not like the way I go about and do it.

00:37:41.000 However, I moved the embassy to Jerusalem.

00:37:44.000 I'm getting us back to the best economy in American history.

00:37:47.000 I have Gorsuch Kavan and hopefully a third Supreme Court justice.

00:37:51.000 Saying you might not like the style, but you can't argue with the results, that is a winning message.

00:37:57.000 Because a lot of what Joe Biden is going to try to do, try to be the magnanimous candidate.

00:38:02.000 Don't you agree with me that he's such an awful person?

00:38:05.000 Humanity, humor, smile, optimism, dismissiveness of Joe Biden.

00:38:11.000 Also, be prepared for the race issue to throw it back at Joe Biden.

00:38:15.000 Be prepared for the reparation issue.

00:38:16.000 Be prepared for the climate change issue, the COVID issue, and the Atlantic story, or anything else that they might be able to drum up.

00:38:23.000 If Joe Biden mentions his treatment of women, just say, Tara Reed, that's all I have to say, is Tara Reid.

00:38:30.000 Your VP said we must believe all women. 0.99

00:38:32.000 Therefore, you're a rapist, Joe Biden, according to your vice president. 0.94

00:38:38.000 Donald Trump has the upper hand in this debate simply because the Democrats have created rules of engagement that when it's applied against themselves, they shatter against public cross-examination. 0.99

00:38:51.000 This is exactly why Joe Biden does not take questions from the press because of their hypocrisy, the troubled record, and the corruption.

00:38:58.000 They are afraid for good reason to come up against any form of criticism.

00:39:03.000 The president will outlast Joe Biden.

00:39:06.000 He will.

00:39:07.000 He'll have more stamina.

00:39:08.000 He will do better.

00:39:10.000 He cannot start too hot too early.

00:39:12.000 He has to set the tone as the optimistic problem solver that gets stuff done for our country.

00:39:21.000 These debates, I think, are going to be the most watched thing on television in the history of television.

00:39:28.000 I could be wrong, but I don't know anyone who's not going to tune into this in one way, online and social media.

00:39:34.000 We're actually going to be doing a live reaction to the debate coming up next Tuesday.

00:39:41.000 And I've just been notified that the finale of MASH had 106 million watchers live.

00:39:47.000 I think that will be, I think Trump can beat that for sure.

00:39:50.000 I think Trump can beat that through all the different platforms.

00:39:53.000 There's no one that is not going to watch this debate, at least from the outset.

00:39:56.000 There's so many question marks.

00:39:58.000 There's so much left to be seen.

00:40:00.000 And maybe with clips and social media, it'll assuredly beat MASH.

00:40:05.000 Be prepared.

00:40:06.000 We must learn from past debates.

00:40:09.000 I know it's going to be can't miss television, and we'll have the instant response for you.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 23, 2020

Debates Are Coming: How Trump Can Win

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