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00:01:22.000You probably know who I'm voting for in this election cycle, but something you preach in a lot of what you say is interpersonal wisdom and being able to come to your own decision on things, which you and I very much agree on.
00:01:31.000Something I want to clarify your stance on with regards to like abortion rights, for example, is over just around 75% of Americans believe that in a case of rape or incest, that women should have the reproductive rights and be able to choose in what they do with a child, which obviously is really sad with regards to those circumstances.
00:01:47.000But I wanted to know what are your thoughts on that.
00:01:48.000Should a woman who is forced into a case of rape or incest and impregnated like unwholesome and like in a terrible situation, should they be forced to have the child or do you think they should have their own reproductive rights?
00:01:59.000Okay, yeah, my stance is really clear is that human rights don't stop based on the method of how they're conceived.
00:02:05.000And I have to say first and foremost, no one wishes rape upon anybody or incest that's terrible and awful and evil and tragic.
00:02:13.000And the rapists themselves should be castrated and probably given the death penalty.
00:02:16.000Just to give me, just to set the table on my belief.
00:02:21.000But if I were to tell you as a thought experiment, somebody in this audience was conceived in rape, who is it?
00:03:28.000You can't tell the difference because they're both human and they both deserve human rights.
00:03:32.000And so I would not use the language force a woman to bring it to term.
00:03:37.000However, in the term of rape, that is probably unfortunately the right term because she did not invite that in her when the other circumstances, there was a voluntary decision.
00:03:46.000But we, again, you have to be consistent in the application of justice, and that includes in prenatal justice and prenatal care, which is obviously what happens when a baby is in utero.
00:03:55.000And when you apply human rights, you don't get to choose whether or not the human gets rights, whether or not how that baby actually came into the world.
00:04:05.000And so that's a follow-up once you're done.
00:04:07.000Okay, so something, another thing you preach, and Grant, I've been following you for a long time, you're an awesome person, is that men should be able to shepherd and protect the women in their lives, you know?
00:04:15.000I want to ask you a kind of difficult question.
00:04:17.000If your wife, unfortunately, was attacked in some sort of way incestuous or was raped, would you ask her to go through with that pregnancy?
00:04:24.000I mean, I've already answered that publicly.
00:04:27.000They said my 10-year-old daughter, which is more graphic.
00:04:30.000And again, this is a personal private decision that I will say, in our family, we believe that under no circumstances, unless absolutely vet by multiple doctors, medical necessary, would abortion ever happen.
00:04:43.000That is our own family's values, right?
00:04:45.000And again, God forbid that it would ever happen to a woman in my life, right?
00:04:49.000But again, my family's values is that when we look at a baby on the ultrasound, that is a baby that we are tasked to look after and to grow and to shepherd.
00:05:00.000And so, yes, to be consistent, that is how we would treat it.
00:05:03.000And the alternative would be then we would do what I think is termination or murder, which I would not be able to live with in that circumstance.
00:05:11.000Again, these are very heavy and personal issues.
00:05:14.000And again, that's our own family personal perspective on that very complicated issue.
00:05:19.000So yeah, where I disagree personally is with regards to I would feel, I would fail as lepros protector, as a shepherd of my future girlfriend if something happened to her.
00:05:28.000And I don't know, like morally how I would feel, you know, putting another human on this earth, you know, that is, you know, part of that's not me.
00:05:34.000I understand they have human rights, and I love, you know, the conception of life as much as you do.
00:05:38.000But you have that person who has all the same human rights as someone else, but they could have been conceived in a way in which that was not loving, you know, as an evangelical Christian.
00:05:45.000And again, but the method of how the baby is conceived is not, it's not determinative of the value or the rights that the baby gets, right?
00:05:54.000The baby still will eventually have free speech rights, Fourth Amendment rights, rights to voting.
00:05:59.000Therefore, it also has a right to life.
00:06:01.000And so, again, we must be equally consistent in how we apply it.
00:06:05.000And in that case, in that instant, most Americans disagree with me.
00:06:08.000That's fine, but it is still a human being.
00:06:18.000And therefore, if it's made in the image of God, therefore we have a moral obligation, not just a moral right, to protect that baby from termination.
00:06:33.000I appreciate your videos I've been watching recently about how college should be thinking about what is good, what is beautiful, things like that.
00:06:40.000And I'm actually pro-life, and I want to ask you about your stance on that portion of your ideas.
00:06:45.000So specifically when talking about birth control, some of birth control can cause abortions, right, with hormonal birth control, correct?
00:06:54.000Yes, it can, but it's a little more nuanced than that because it doesn't technically, it prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine wall.
00:07:02.000It does not terminate a fertilized egg that's already attached to a uterine wall by preventing the release of progesterone.
00:07:13.000It's not technically classified an abortifacient.
00:07:15.000I'm not making an excuse for a hormonal birth control.
00:07:17.000I just want to be very clear that just because you're taking hormonal birth control does not mean that you're necessarily enacting an abortion.
00:08:01.000Young ladies should read the peer-reviewed literature by Democrats, liberals, and many other people that show how, let's just say, damaging hormonal birth control is to a female's brain and body.
00:08:16.000And I understand, I actually believe in male-female distinctions.
00:08:19.000So I'll never take birth control, so I should be careful kind of venturing into that lane, right?
00:08:23.000So I think those distinctions actually matter.
00:08:25.000Everyone should make their own decision.
00:08:26.000But if you look at just the warning pamphlet that is associated when a young lady is prescribed hormonal birth control, it is like a map of the world.
00:08:35.000I mean, it's all you guys know what I'm talking about, paragraph to paragraph.
00:08:39.000And we over-prescribe hormone birth control for pimples, acne, controlling your periods.
00:08:46.000But it is way, way over-prescribed in this country.
00:08:49.000And I think people need to know the downsides.
00:08:51.000And there's a huge movement that is bipartisan, but mostly mostly by the conservatives that is trying to encourage women to get off hormonal both control.
00:08:58.000And then I have one question about what you said earlier about with evolution or with like the age of the earth.
00:09:03.000Do you think that evolution could be possible with the Bible?
00:09:14.000And so I do, I 100% believe in adaptation that is that is completely viewed by the human eye and by evolution is a faith belief, and the faith might be correct, which means that there's a species change.
00:09:27.000We just haven't been around long enough to see that species change.
00:10:11.000So my question for you was basically just about like, I know that a lot of your viewpoints on social issues like abortion and LGBTQ rights are probably driven by your faith, right?
00:10:24.000So my question to you would be: what if someone has a different faith and therefore they innately disagree with what you believe, like what your faith says?
00:10:36.000So I believe it because of divine revelation, but I convince people with reason.
00:10:41.000So I never use scripture to someone who doesn't share my view as a reason as to why they should believe what I believe.
00:10:47.000For example, I believe abortion is wrong and it's murder.
00:10:50.000I can give you a scriptural argument, which will not apply to you, that everyone's made in the image of God and I knew you before you knitted in the womb, but I will give you a biological one that can be agreed upon using reason.
00:11:00.000Okay, and then in the case of like LGBTQ issues, what would your argument be for someone who has a different perspective or a different faith?
00:11:33.000And so everything I believe is supported and rooted and foundational in scripture, but I can defend using reason and agreed upon exterior evidence.
00:11:42.000And what if my faith directly contradicts your faith?
00:11:47.000You have to use reason too, then, though.
00:11:49.000For example, I mean, if you come after it and you say, you know, my faith says I'm, you know, I'm Aztec and I think that we can sacrifice kids, I say that's wrong.
00:11:57.000So tell me why you think that's right.
00:11:59.000But here's the thing is that there is, at some point, you need an agreed-upon moral dimension.
00:12:04.000And in America, we have a Judeo-Christian, largely Christian moral dimension that has built the West.
00:12:19.000And I'm sure you believe all those things.
00:12:20.000So as long as we believe those things fundamentally and foundationally, we then can compare all of our issues to those things.
00:12:26.000And I agree with a few of those, but on the notion of like universal equality, would you believe that you are innately treating women as equal when you're stripping them of their bodily autonomy?
00:16:56.000I would say when she had the ability to survive outside of your wife's body independently.
00:17:03.000Okay, so, but what do you mean by survive?
00:17:05.000My daughter still can't hunt or gather, still can't go grocery shopping, still can't make her own food, so she can't survive without either of us.
00:17:13.000When she had the ability to breathe by herself, when she had the ability to breathe.
00:17:18.000So the doctors told us that there was a potential that my daughter might need a breathing machine when she born.
00:17:48.000No, but I know, but survive, a baby will die within a couple of days without nourishment and die with, like, almost start starving to death in 24 hours.
00:17:55.000A baby always needs external care throughout the process of development, whether it be at 10 weeks or 15 weeks, 20 weeks or 30 weeks.
00:18:02.000I'm just curious, when all of a sudden does the magic switch happen when the baby becomes human?
00:18:10.000Like I said, when it can survive independently of the body.
00:18:13.000So before not human and then after human?
00:18:47.000So, but under that argument, development is a process that takes many, many decades, actually, a decade and a half.
00:18:53.000So why do we apply that logic and that morality just because something is smaller or inconvenient, we can terminate that thing?
00:19:01.000I think a good point would be to make that, like a good point to make would be that once the baby is separate from the mother, like fully separate out of the body, then you can consider that baby like an independent human being.
00:19:14.000Okay, so then abortion, okay, all the way up through the process of development, even if the baby can feel pain.
00:19:21.000People don't get, they don't traditionally get abortions in the second or something.
00:19:25.000Yeah, there's about 30,000 a year, actually.
00:20:41.000So to play that out, the pro-choice argument is a eugenics argument, being whoever is in charge has the power to eliminate whomever they want if they're an inconvenience to you.
00:20:51.000How is that any morally different than Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany?
00:20:56.000Were all of the Jews a part of Hitler?
00:22:42.000Do you think that it should be legal if my wife and I get the pregnancy test back and we find out we're having a woman, a baby girl, and we say we don't want a girl?
00:22:51.000Should I be able to terminate that baby?
00:24:03.000And I wanted to ask you about something you said earlier about how Christianity, the loss of faith of Christianity is shaping our country in a poor way, yes?
00:24:37.000See, that's an interesting topic because morality is a much broader question than religion.
00:24:41.000Because I'm thinking specifically with us being from a Western culture, Christian background, and with the First Amendment, freedom of religion is part of that.
00:25:09.000It's a single letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1803 to the Danbury Baptist Convention, assuring them that the government would not come after them.
00:25:15.000It was resurrected by the Warren Court and then the Burger Court to then be used as this fictitious thing that Christianity cannot be involved in our government.
00:25:24.000The point is this, is that our laws, our customs, and traditions are built on Judeo-Christian norms, specifically the Ten Commandments.
00:25:30.000And I want you to tell me which of the Ten Commandments, maybe you agree or disagree, should not be the baseline of the American tradition or country.
00:26:04.000Why do you think we're the most depressed, suicidal, alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted, aimless country, generation and country in the Western world?
00:26:12.000It's largely because we're very, very secular.
00:26:18.000Do you blame that on a loss of faith, or is that something with modern society, with how we have technology is such a big part of our lives, and we're no longer engaging with people as much?
00:26:27.000It's not necessarily that Christianity is the best, but having community is more important.
00:26:31.000Well, yeah, I mean, Christianity gives you community, right?
00:27:02.000I think that you should believe there's a God that judges you and that you're not the center of the world and that you have to repent for what you've done wrong and that you need a savior.
00:27:10.000I think that all that's really important, actually.
00:27:12.000I think that believing you're the center of the universe creates narcissism and suicidal behavior.
00:27:16.000And I think that knowing that, like, hey, I've fallen a lot this week and I repent in my failures, in my deeds, what I've done, what I've failed to do is actually really amazing and important.
00:27:25.000And it requires us to go to the cross.
00:28:14.000And our God is a God of justice and a God of mercy, and a God that loves us so much that gave us a second chance, and more importantly, a chance at eternal life, one that we don't deserve or one that we haven't earned.
00:28:24.000So, do you think that having Christian values and laws is something that's okay?
00:28:29.000Something that's a big topic that's talked about a lot today is like abortion and how there's a lot of laws that are made with this Christian idea.
00:28:36.000Yeah, again, abolishing abortion is not just a Christian idea.
00:28:40.000Christopher Hitchens was famously an anti-abortion advocate, okay, and he was an atheist.
00:28:44.000But yes, I do believe all abortion should be illegal.
00:28:47.000What do you think about with medical complications?
00:28:50.000Because you even said yourself that there was a medical complication that almost happened with your daughter.