The Charlie Kirk Show - Debates From the Archive - Charlie on Abortion Part 2

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00:01:09.000 Okay, just a reminder, if you guys disagree, you guys can work your way down.

00:01:14.000 And yes, we have a disagreement and a poster and a visual here.

00:01:18.000 Oh, yeah, here's my visual.

00:01:19.000 Hold on one second.

00:01:20.000 And I have a petition.

00:01:21.000 Raise your hand if you're progressive.

00:01:24.000 No?

00:01:26.000 I love this school.

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00:01:33.000 You don't have a lot of allies here.

00:01:35.000 It's going to be a tough crowd.

00:01:37.000 Well, my name is Davin Damien.

00:01:44.000 I am non-binary.

00:01:46.000 I am here with the Alliance.

00:01:48.000 Hold on, what's up?

00:01:49.000 Can I interrupt you?

00:01:50.000 Guys, hold on.

00:01:51.000 Hold on one sec.

00:01:52.000 So we outnumber, what's your name again?

00:01:54.000 I'm sorry.

00:01:54.000 Davin Damien.

00:01:55.000 Davin.

00:01:55.000 We outnumber Davin.

00:01:56.000 That's unusual on a college campus.

00:01:58.000 However, let's do something that liberals never do to us.

00:02:01.000 Let's give him, I think, courtesy.

00:02:05.000 They.

00:02:07.000 Him.

00:02:08.000 Courtesy that we don't give them.

00:02:12.000 Okay.

00:02:12.000 How about that?

00:02:13.000 So is everyone cool with that?

00:02:15.000 All right.

00:02:17.000 So let's not heckle.

00:02:19.000 Let's not interrupt.

00:02:20.000 Let's be the ambassadors for freedom of speech.

00:02:22.000 Okay, please continue.

00:02:22.000 Cool.

00:02:24.000 I must say thank you.

00:02:25.000 Thank you for that, Charlie.

00:02:26.000 So I'm here with the Alliance of Male Feminists defending women's bodies. 0.99

00:02:31.000 My main question is, why are you so obsessed with legislating women's bodies? 0.99

00:02:37.000 It seems like you've made it your life mission to remove the choice of the woman. 0.99

00:02:41.000 And I just want to know why that is.

00:02:43.000 Okay, so your advocacy is male feminists for women's bodies, right?

00:02:47.000 Her bodies, her choice.

00:02:48.000 So maybe we can come to some common ground then before we talk about abortion.

00:02:48.000 Got it.

00:02:53.000 Would you then agree with our position as conservatives that biological women should not have to share locker rooms with biological men?

00:03:06.000 Because your position is all about her body, her choice. 0.51

00:03:10.000 I think for the sake of argument, I'll say yes.

00:03:12.000 I'll say that.

00:03:13.000 So let me then give you a further example.

00:03:13.000 Okay, I'm okay with that.

00:03:16.000 So therefore, you would agree that in sports settings, especially youth sports, but all sports, Tennessee's own Riley Gaines, for example, when she went to go compete at University of Pennsylvania and had to share a locker room with a biological man, that was wrong because her as a female should be able to have a private space without men coming in there, right? 0.94

00:03:37.000 Frankly, you know, I'm an old school feminist, and so when I think of all this trans stuff, I think it's kind of wrecked us a little bit. 1.00

00:03:44.000 And so I don't think you'll trap me with that.

00:03:46.000 I think.

00:03:46.000 I'm not trapping.

00:03:47.000 And by the way, I wish we had more people like yourself that we were willing to speak out against the trans insanity. 1.00

00:03:52.000 So you deserve credit for that.

00:03:54.000 And I mean that.

00:03:55.000 Now, so we did find common ground on that.

00:03:58.000 So now I want to actually approach the issue that you came here.

00:04:01.000 So you're accusing me of wanting to legislate women's bodies.

00:04:05.000 Okay, so do you mean legislate control over women specifically with abortion?

00:04:10.000 Taking away her right to choose.

00:04:11.000 Got it.

00:04:12.000 Okay.

00:04:12.000 So I'm sure if I ask this question, the answer will be no.

00:04:15.000 But you would say, does a mother have the right to kill her child?

00:04:19.000 Not kill, but what I'm trying to raise awareness right now is that we need to abolish child neglect laws because that forces women to use their bodies even with babies. 0.99

00:04:30.000 Now, I'm not saying they should be allowed to kill babies, but I'm saying they should be allowed to let nature just take its course.

00:04:36.000 For example, that we're, I'm just saying, we are saying that it's survival of the fittest.

00:04:44.000 And what I'm saying is I think that the MAGA, fascist, I think you all are winning because you at least are trying to be consistent on the life issue.

00:04:55.000 But what I'm saying is we need to be as progressive consistent.

00:04:58.000 That's why I've got this petition here to get people to see that we must abolish child neglect laws if we're going to be consistent, that it really is her body and her choice.

00:05:08.000 So I think you're doing a very good job exposing the hypocrisy of left.

00:05:14.000 I could tell that this is a shtick.

00:05:17.000 And I will say, it's very effective.

00:05:20.000 And I tend to agree with where you're trying to go.

00:05:23.000 What he, they, them, whatever, is saying is the following, which is to abolish child neglect laws is the furthest extrapolation of a pro-abortion view.

00:05:34.000 But that's consistent.

00:05:36.000 Of course.

00:05:36.000 No, and I don't know what you actually believe.

00:05:38.000 But your satire can sometimes lead you towards truth.

00:05:41.000 And you should show, what he's, what, what he or you show the poster.

00:05:44.000 What he's saying in a way is that in order for the left, he doesn't actually believe this.

00:05:49.000 This is a shtick.

00:05:50.000 Yeah, got it.

00:05:51.000 Fine.

00:05:52.000 Yeah.

00:05:53.000 But what he's doing is trying to prove a point that if you are pro-choice, then therefore you should also get rid of child neglect laws because it means you actually don't care for the baby, whether it be in the womb or outside of the womb.

00:06:08.000 We are forcing women to use their bodies. 1.00

00:06:10.000 Sure, got it.

00:06:12.000 So very good.

00:06:13.000 Thank you.

00:06:14.000 And best of luck with your petition.

00:06:19.000 Next question.

00:06:20.000 Disagreements, welcome.

00:06:21.000 And that was quite a dialogue.

00:06:28.000 Anyone, disagreements?

00:06:29.000 Yes, ma'am.

00:06:30.000 Again, anyone in the crowd, you can work your way up if you disagree.

00:06:33.000 Yes, ma'am.

00:06:34.000 So how many phases are in the menstrual cycle?

00:06:34.000 Hello.

00:06:37.000 Do you know?

00:06:39.000 Well, I'm not a woman, so enlighten me.

00:06:41.000 So there's four stages of the menstrual cycle, okay?

00:06:44.000 Ovulation, focular, or sorry, I'm going to go in order.

00:06:48.000 Menstruation, focular, ovulation, and the lutal phase.

00:06:52.000 During which of those phases can a woman be pregnant? 0.99

00:06:55.000 When can she get pregnant? 1.00

00:06:57.000 Which are those phases?

00:06:58.000 During ovulation.

00:06:59.000 And ludal, yes.

00:07:01.000 So I know the answer to this question.

00:07:05.000 Have you ever had a menstrual cycle before?

00:07:08.000 No.

00:07:09.000 Okay, great.

00:07:10.000 So knowing that, and you just saying, I don't know the phases of the menstrual cycle, which I don't blame you for for being, you know, you don't have that.

00:07:18.000 So then, knowing this, you don't know everything about the female reproductive system.

00:07:22.000 How are you going to make legislation to hurt women and women's rights?

00:07:28.000 Are men allowed to have opinions on abortion?

00:07:30.000 You can have opinions on abortion, but what I'm saying is, how are these men going to create this legislation?

00:07:37.000 Got it.

00:07:38.000 So, well, men are allowed to have opinion on moral matters too, right?

00:07:41.000 Right.

00:07:42.000 Got it.

00:07:43.000 So if I was a male OBGYN, is it okay for that person to make issues of legislation?

00:07:48.000 They're educated.

00:07:49.000 They understand.

00:07:50.000 They are educated on the female reproductive system, so they can't. 1.00

00:07:54.000 If I don't know everything intimately about the female reproductive system, sit down and shut up. 1.00

00:07:58.000 You're a man.

00:07:59.000 No, that's not what I'm saying.

00:08:00.000 You can have an opinion.

00:08:01.000 That's all I can do.

00:08:02.000 It's all right if you have an opinion.

00:08:04.000 I'm saying it's not all right if you don't understand how the female reproductive system. 1.00

00:08:08.000 Okay, so let's pop quiz.

00:08:09.000 When does heartbeats begin for babies in utero?

00:08:12.000 Have you ever eaten an egg before?

00:08:16.000 That's yes or no?

00:08:18.000 Have you ever eaten an egg before?

00:08:21.000 Scrambled, yeah.

00:08:22.000 Okay, so would that be you scrambled a full chicken?

00:08:26.000 Well, hold on.

00:08:27.000 You understand it takes an egg to be fertilized?

00:08:30.000 Right.

00:08:30.000 Uh-huh.

00:08:31.000 Yeah.

00:08:31.000 Uh-huh.

00:08:32.000 Your point, the whole point you're making.

00:08:35.000 So no, since we're doing pop quiz on like human development, so when exactly do heart waves begin in utero?

00:08:43.000 You know that, but you don't know the four.

00:08:44.000 Oh, I know what you know.

00:08:45.000 Tell me when.

00:08:46.000 I don't know.

00:08:46.000 Tell me when heart wait.

00:08:47.000 Okay, you don't know.

00:08:48.000 No.

00:08:48.000 So wait, hold on.

00:08:49.000 So you're trying to say I know more about the woman reproductive system than you do?

00:08:53.000 I am a woman, so yes.

00:08:54.000 Yes, okay.

00:08:55.000 Well, but the point being is we could both go back and forth of like independent, trivial facts when it comes to the woman's reproductive system.

00:09:03.000 But here's something we all know because God wrote this on the human heart of every individual as it says in the book of Romans.

00:09:09.000 We know deep down it's wrong to murder a baby.

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00:10:20.000 You're not murdering a baby.

00:10:22.000 It's not a baby.

00:10:23.000 Okay, well, let's play this out.

00:10:25.000 What is it then?

00:10:26.000 It is an embryo, which is not a baby.

00:10:28.000 Well, okay, so it's a fertilized embryo.

00:10:31.000 Correct, which is not a baby.

00:10:32.000 So at what point does it become a baby?

00:10:34.000 When it is born.

00:10:35.000 Oh.

00:10:39.000 I don't agree with abortions up to full-term abortions.

00:10:42.000 Hold on, but you said it becomes a baby when it's born.

00:10:45.000 Why would you have abortion limits before it's born? 1.00

00:10:47.000 I thought it's just an embryo.

00:10:48.000 So embryo rights?

00:10:50.000 No, the embryo rights aren't a bad brain.

00:10:51.000 But then where would you draw a line for abortion then and why?

00:10:54.000 And under what moral standard?

00:10:55.000 There are medical reasons.

00:10:57.000 No, no, no, no, that's not the question.

00:10:58.000 That's not the question.

00:10:59.000 You just asked me why would I not have an abortion full term for medical reasons?

00:11:02.000 Okay, so at 29 weeks, the baby is nearly fully developed, can recognize the mother's voice, has a heartbeat, has brain waves.

00:11:10.000 Is it okay to abort that baby?

00:11:12.000 I don't, like, it's not okay, but you're going to say it's okay to have an abortion then. 0.91

00:11:18.000 Like, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

00:11:20.000 It's not okay to have an abortion ever.

00:11:22.000 How about like three weeks in?

00:11:23.000 Correct.

00:11:24.000 Correct.

00:11:24.000 No abortion.

00:11:25.000 Why?

00:11:26.000 Well, because your life started at conception.

00:11:28.000 It did not, though.

00:11:29.000 It did not.

00:11:30.000 Well, hold on.

00:11:30.000 So let's play this out.

00:11:32.000 So who are you as an individual?

00:11:33.000 From your skin color to your eye color to your likes, your dislikes, from your temperament to your everything.

00:11:41.000 I am not an embryo.

00:11:42.000 I'm a person.

00:11:43.000 Hold on a second.

00:11:44.000 But it started with something called deoxoribonucleic acid.

00:11:49.000 And your own individual DNA started at the point of egg and sperm meeting.

00:11:55.000 That's where your journey started.

00:11:57.000 And so from that point in particular, life begins.

00:12:01.000 Not at birth, not at first words, not at first steps, but when your DNA, which is who you actually are.

00:12:09.000 You are your DNA.

00:12:10.000 Every one of your DNA cells is coded, XX or XY. 0.82

00:12:13.000 It's coded with all of your unique characteristics and attributes that we believe God individually curated for the rest of your life.

00:12:20.000 That doesn't happen at eight weeks or ten weeks.

00:12:23.000 It happens at conception.

00:12:24.000 What happens if you need a medical abortion? 1.00

00:12:26.000 If the mother will die if she does not get an abortion, what's your stance on? 0.91

00:12:30.000 The only place where medical abortion is necessary is before 20 weeks, which is incredible. 0.87

00:12:34.000 What if she will die?

00:12:35.000 What if the mother will die? 0.83

00:12:36.000 So let's take, for example, this is a very important question.

00:12:40.000 Let's say it's 27 weeks, okay?

00:12:43.000 And the mother will die.

00:12:44.000 Why shouldn't you could agree?

00:12:46.000 Why don't we just have the baby delivered by cesarean section? 1.00

00:12:48.000 You know what a cesarean section is, right?

00:12:50.000 Yes.

00:12:50.000 What is a cesarean section?

00:12:51.000 A C-section?

00:12:52.000 Yeah, why wouldn't we just put the baby out by C-section instead of terminating it?

00:12:56.000 Because if the mother will die, it's not safe to do that.

00:12:59.000 You remove the baby.

00:13:00.000 I understand.

00:13:00.000 Threat removed.

00:13:01.000 I know what a C-section is.

00:13:02.000 But it's actually safer than an abortion.

00:13:04.000 So every time they say this is for you guys, they say, oh, you need to have abortion for medical reasons, respond, then have a C-section.

00:13:12.000 What if you're not able to have a C-section?

00:13:14.000 What if you are on your deathbed?

00:13:15.000 You need to have an abortion right now. 1.00

00:13:17.000 Again, you can't.

00:13:19.000 So you actually die.

00:13:20.000 First and foremost, C-section is safer.

00:13:22.000 C-section is quicker.

00:13:23.000 And a C-section saves both lives.

00:13:25.000 A C-section.

00:13:26.000 The baby is already dead, you just said.

00:13:28.000 No, no, no.

00:13:28.000 No, but even...

00:13:29.000 Hold on a second.

00:13:30.000 You're saying if the baby's already dead, then it doesn't even have an abortion, right?

00:13:32.000 Then you're talking about a removal of a carcass, which is a completely different medical operation.

00:13:37.000 You're saying that's okay if you're having...

00:13:39.000 If you're...

00:13:40.000 Hold on.

00:13:41.000 If you're removing a carcass of a baby, that is not an abortion.

00:13:44.000 By definition.

00:13:45.000 It's not the same process.

00:13:46.000 No, it's completely different.

00:13:48.000 During an abortion, they actually inject the spinal fluid with cyanide poisoning as the baby squirms and tries to find its mother and it is gasping for air of life.

00:13:59.000 Have you ever watched an abortion?

00:14:02.000 Yeah, actually, I have.

00:14:03.000 And I encourage every human being to watch one to know what you are fighting against.

00:14:06.000 Because when you see abortion, your life will be changed that we allow the massacre of a million and a half babies a year under the guise of woman reproductive health. 1.00

00:14:18.000 We are allowing babies every single year to just say, you know, we're going to discard them. 0.93

00:14:22.000 Oh, they're smaller.

00:14:22.000 Why?

00:14:23.000 They're not humans.

00:14:24.000 You're using dehumanizing language saying, oh, it's an embryo.

00:14:28.000 No, that's a baby made in the image of God, deserving of protection.

00:14:34.000 What do you do with those children once they're born into a bad household?

00:14:38.000 So now we've transitioned to like, what do you do with the kids?

00:14:40.000 Right.

00:14:41.000 Glad we're past the other part of the argument, okay?

00:14:43.000 What do you do with them?

00:14:44.000 You know, there's twice as many people on the adoption waiting list than there are abortions every single year. 0.88

00:14:49.000 And they're still on the list.

00:14:50.000 So you want to send a child into an orphanage?

00:14:54.000 Is that what you want for a child?

00:14:55.000 Is that a good life for a child?

00:14:56.000 No, I'm not advocating that.

00:14:58.000 In fact, I'm advocating to make it easier to be able to adopt, number one.

00:15:02.000 Number two, there's no such thing as an unwanted child.

00:15:05.000 Number three, it is never right to justify the mass elimination or termination of people under the guise of saying they're unwanted.

00:15:13.000 That's how we get Auschwitz. 0.95

00:15:15.000 That's how we get the greatest horrors of the 20th century.

00:15:19.000 Those people are unwanted.

00:15:20.000 So you're comparing abortion to the Holocaust?

00:15:22.000 Absolutely, I am.

00:15:24.000 In fact, it's worse.

00:15:25.000 It's worse.

00:15:26.000 It's really not.

00:15:28.000 It's 45 million babies.

00:15:31.000 It's nearly eight times worse than the Holocaust. 0.91

00:15:34.000 What's the moral difference between a small baby in the womb and a grown Jew who was killed at Auschwitz?

00:15:40.000 What's the moral difference?

00:15:42.000 One is older.

00:15:45.000 What species is the baby in the womb?

00:15:47.000 It's a human, but it's a human being.

00:15:49.000 Therefore, they should have human rights.

00:15:51.000 No!

00:15:52.000 They should have human rights!

00:15:53.000 I do not agree.

00:15:54.000 Oh, so small humans, no human rights, grown humans, human rights.

00:15:58.000 A small human, it's an embryo.

00:16:01.000 You just said it was a human species.

00:16:02.000 It's not a living human child.

00:16:04.000 Wait, it's not a what?

00:16:06.000 It's not a child.

00:16:07.000 It's not a living child.

00:16:08.000 It has a heartbeat.

00:16:09.000 It has brainwaves.

00:16:10.000 You can make it a child.

00:16:12.000 But to tell me when it becomes a child, then.

00:16:16.000 I already told you when it is born.

00:16:17.000 Again, so under every other objective definite, you see guys how quickly the pro-abortion arguments fall apart with just the slightest questioning.

00:16:26.000 But our position is one rooted not in feelings, not in personal autonomy, but one in biological consistency and reality.

00:16:35.000 That your life had an agreed-upon starting point, that that starting point should be protected and preserved.

00:16:41.000 And the excuses given for abortion is dehumanization.

00:16:44.000 Oh, it's just an embryo.

00:16:45.000 Guys, that's just using different language to justify the massacre of something smaller than you.

00:16:50.000 That's all that it is.

00:16:52.000 So here are the big objections.

00:16:54.000 Size.

00:16:55.000 It's smaller than me.

00:16:56.000 Then I should be able to get rid of it.

00:16:58.000 I'm 6'5 ⁇ .

00:16:59.000 Should I be able to murder people smaller than me?

00:17:00.000 Of course not.

00:17:01.000 You don't believe that.

00:17:02.000 Level of development.

00:17:04.000 Oh, it's not as progressed as this is your argument.

00:17:06.000 It's not as progressed as we are.

00:17:08.000 Therefore, we have rights over it.

00:17:10.000 So my 10-month-old baby, why should I not be able to eliminate my 10-month-old baby?

00:17:17.000 I have another question for you.

00:17:19.000 On the line of this, you will never be able to have an abortion, right?

00:17:23.000 You will never be able to have an abortion. 0.71

00:17:25.000 You will not, okay?

00:17:25.000 That's a fact.

00:17:26.000 Everyone knows that, okay?

00:17:27.000 I'm not debating that at all.

00:17:29.000 Make it quick.

00:17:30.000 You can tell the audience is.

00:17:31.000 Yeah, but go.

00:17:32.000 If I were to be pregnant right now and forced to have a baby, that would ruin my life.

00:17:37.000 This is an important question.

00:17:38.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:17:39.000 Time out.

00:17:40.000 So rape and incest are less than half of 1% of all abortions.

00:17:44.000 I'm talking if I just happen to be pregnant.

00:17:44.000 I'm not talking about that.

00:17:46.000 Oh, you don't happen to get pregnant. 0.99

00:17:47.000 It's not like getting COVID.

00:17:49.000 I know how it works.

00:17:50.000 I know how it works.

00:17:51.000 You don't get the flu.

00:17:52.000 How about this?

00:17:52.000 I know.

00:17:53.000 You take responsibility for your orgasms and stop eliminating people smaller than you. 0.95

00:17:58.000 So you're saying I should carry a baby and ruin my collegiate life.

00:18:02.000 Instead of saying ruin, first of all, babies are a blessing.

00:18:02.000 How about this?

00:18:05.000 Stop talking at them as if they're some sort of annoyance.

00:18:07.000 I will have to drop out of college.

00:18:09.000 Number two, number two, if you play certain games, you win certain prizes.

00:18:14.000 If you're going to go have sex.

00:18:16.000 So you're saying I should drop out of college to support my child and supporting my life.

00:18:20.000 I'm saying if you're going to engage in koikus, in the practice of having children, you might end up with a baby. 1.00

00:18:28.000 So know that.

00:18:29.000 You don't need to have sex before you get married. 1.00

00:18:29.000 And guess what? 1.00

00:18:31.000 It's not like showering.

00:18:32.000 It's not like eating.

00:18:33.000 Are you married?

00:18:35.000 Yes, with two beautiful children.

00:18:37.000 Wow, good for you.

00:18:38.000 I could tell you're not married.

00:18:40.000 Yeah.

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00:19:53.000 I'm Sophie.

00:19:54.000 I'm the president of Vols for Israel.

00:19:56.000 Talk right in there.

00:19:57.000 Yeah.

00:19:57.000 God bless Israel.

00:19:57.000 I appreciate it.

00:19:59.000 Thank you.

00:20:00.000 I listen to your podcast a lot.

00:20:02.000 I agree with you on most things, but I have to disagree with you on comparing abortion to the Holocaust.

00:20:10.000 Just because the Holocaust was such a uniquely designed genocide, and I think comparing it to anything else undermines both the tragedy of the Holocaust and the tragedy of abortion. 0.87

00:20:24.000 Okay, so it's a good point.

00:20:27.000 However, you are right in one way.

00:20:29.000 I'll agree with you on, and I think you've been a good point.

00:20:32.000 That the design of the Holocaust was unique. 0.97

00:20:37.000 It was about the extermination of a people. 0.85

00:20:39.000 However, allow me to tell you where I'm coming from.

00:20:43.000 Where are abortion clinics most likely to be found in America? 0.99

00:20:46.000 Black neighborhoods.

00:20:47.000 In black neighborhoods. 0.82

00:20:48.000 There has, and the author and the charter of Planned Parenthood was a eugenicist.

00:20:55.000 She was such a eugenicist, she actually personally informed Adolf Hitler's views.

00:20:59.000 Her name was Margaret Sanger.

00:21:01.000 She wanted to use abortion as a depopulation movement to eradicate the black race. 1.00

00:21:07.000 And she's doing a pretty good job of it.

00:21:09.000 Black America has largely flatlined as a portion of the American population, right around 13%.

00:21:14.000 So while I agree that there was a specific horror to the Holocaust, Godfrey will never repeat that there are some very common attributes that can be drawn to.

00:21:24.000 Thank you for your time.

00:21:25.000 Thank you, and God bless Israel.

00:21:26.000 Thank you.

00:21:27.000 Who's up?

00:21:28.000 Who disagrees?

00:21:29.000 I'm good.

00:21:29.000 How are you?

00:21:30.000 Good.

00:21:31.000 My name is Danielle Adamo.

00:21:32.000 I'm a freshman here.

00:21:33.000 First of all, go balls.

00:21:37.000 I am not liberal.

00:21:39.000 I'm actually very independent.

00:21:40.000 I come from a military family with conservative parents.

00:21:43.000 Yep.

00:21:44.000 Go military.

00:21:47.000 I am here to ask not only you a question, but everyone in this audience a question because personally, as America, I think that we are missing a lot of important conversations that need to be have as a country because a lot of people are very concerned with abortion.

00:22:03.000 A lot of people are very concerned with Mexican immigrants.

00:22:06.000 But my question is.

00:22:08.000 Illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:22:09.000 Not all illegal immigrants are Mexican.

00:22:11.000 We don't racialize it.

00:22:14.000 Happy to talk about that next.

00:22:15.000 Yes.

00:22:19.000 How many abortions yearly did you say that there were? 0.99

00:22:22.000 Well, so if you count surgical abortions, it's about a million.

00:22:25.000 But there's something called a chemical abortion, which is an at-home abortion. 1.00

00:22:29.000 So it's probably closer to 1.8 million.

00:22:30.000 Okay.

00:22:31.000 8 million.

00:22:31.000 Okay, and do you know what percent or what number of that is from rape?

00:22:35.000 Yeah, it's less than half of 1%.

00:22:38.000 And that's according to the Guttmacher Institute, which is a pro-abortion.

00:22:42.000 So 99.9% of all abortions are for a pirate guy.

00:22:48.000 I know, yeah.

00:22:49.000 Go ahead, keep going.

00:22:50.000 Don't let it phase you.

00:22:52.000 He's like a celebrity.

00:22:56.000 Do you know how many women are that's reported in the United States are raped and sexually assaulted?

00:23:02.000 And another thing.

00:23:05.000 Just let her talk. 1.00

00:23:06.000 Got it.

00:23:10.000 Great.

00:23:10.000 Thank you very much.

00:23:11.000 Just stay focused.

00:23:12.000 The more you talk, the less they'll talk.

00:23:15.000 Okay.

00:23:16.000 How many are raped and sexually assaulted?

00:23:18.000 And another quick question.

00:23:20.000 Those are actually underprosecuted most times.

00:23:23.000 So we don't know.

00:23:24.000 I don't believe that's true.

00:23:26.000 No, most rapists don't get arrested.

00:23:28.000 Would you agree?

00:23:28.000 Oh, oh, yes.

00:23:29.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:23:29.000 It's underprosecuted.

00:23:30.000 Okay, sorry.

00:23:32.000 And there also, a lot of them aren't.

00:23:34.000 Sorry.

00:23:35.000 A lot of them aren't reported.

00:23:37.000 Everyone is so concerned with the embryos and like abortions.

00:23:41.000 What happens to those embryos if they are not aborted?

00:23:44.000 They grow up and they happen to be women. 1.00

00:23:47.000 What happens to them when they grow up and they get sexually assaulted?

00:23:50.000 Because everyone here, I would like you to think, mothers, sisters, friends, daughters, have you or anyone that you've known been sexually assaulted?

00:23:59.000 And if you're comfortable, please raise your hand because I have.

00:24:06.000 Okay, but hold on.

00:24:07.000 I just want to make sure.

00:24:08.000 Your argument is that therefore they should be aborted?

00:24:11.000 No, no, not at all.

00:24:12.000 It's a comparison.

00:24:13.000 It's fully a comparison.

00:24:14.000 I'm not here to talk about that.

00:24:16.000 I think that there are bigger issues.

00:24:19.000 I think there are bigger issues in America right now than what the Trump administration is focusing on.

00:24:26.000 Do you agree?

00:24:27.000 Like, do you have daughters?

00:24:29.000 I have a daughter.

00:24:30.000 You have a daughter?

00:24:31.000 Okay.

00:24:32.000 How would you feel if she was sexually assaulted?

00:24:34.000 I mean, obviously, terrible.

00:24:37.000 Terrible.

00:24:37.000 Have you ever been sexually assaulted?

00:24:39.000 No.

00:24:39.000 Okay.

00:24:41.000 Why do you not want to do anything to stop that?

00:24:43.000 Well, I don't know.

00:24:44.000 Okay, but you don't talk about it.

00:24:45.000 Neither does the Trump administration.

00:24:46.000 that's not a big problem that they have even though I'm still talking please I'm still talking.

00:24:52.000 What do you, Pamela Harris? 1.00

00:24:52.000 Okay, stop. 1.00

00:24:53.000 I mean, I'm still talking, please.

00:24:55.000 I wasn't done and you're not.

00:24:56.000 I got your whole shtick.

00:24:57.000 So President Trump has talked about it so much that you know how much he talks about it?

00:25:02.000 We no longer have rapists coming across the southern border that will prowl on this campus and go after women. 0.74

00:25:07.000 Sir.

00:25:11.000 I came up here with my full respects to allow you to talk and you interrupted me.

00:25:16.000 You're giving a monologue, not a question.

00:25:17.000 So please ask your question.

00:25:19.000 Okay.

00:25:20.000 God damn it.

00:25:24.000 I think that there are more pressing issues than the Trump administration talks about.

00:25:28.000 He talks about, there's a lot more to it than what the Trump administration talks about.

00:25:34.000 What could be more pressing than nuclear war?

00:25:37.000 Seriously, we are on the verge of a nuclear war with Russia.

00:25:41.000 What could be more pressing than that?

00:25:43.000 I agree.

00:25:44.000 I agree, but...

00:25:45.000 What could be more pressing than having...

00:25:47.000 I think that women being sexually assaulted on the daily in America is a bigger problem than abortions. 0.99

00:25:52.000 Truthfully, I do.

00:25:53.000 Okay, I'm not going to...

00:25:55.000 And if anyone...

00:25:55.000 I'm not overly disagreeing, but also...

00:25:57.000 Exactly.

00:25:58.000 Exactly.

00:25:58.000 That's what I think.

00:25:59.000 Do you think that there should be something done put in place by the Trump administration to help women and men and everyone that are sexually assaulted?

00:26:08.000 There needs to be something that's not.

00:26:09.000 There already are laws on the books.

00:26:11.000 So, I mean, I don't, what would you propose?

00:26:13.000 And it still happens.

00:26:14.000 And it's still, I don't know, I'm not the president.

00:26:16.000 That's his job.

00:26:17.000 It's not his job to end sexual assault in America.

00:26:20.000 That's never going to happen, okay?

00:26:21.000 And by the way, just so we're clear, it's a lot.

00:26:24.000 We're talking about two different things.

00:26:25.000 Rape is not the same thing as sexual harassment.

00:26:28.000 It's not the same thing as sexual assault.

00:26:29.000 Those are three different things.

00:26:30.000 I said both things.

00:26:31.000 But sexual assault could be something as going in for an unwanted kiss.

00:26:34.000 Is that sexual assault?

00:26:35.000 Yes.

00:26:36.000 Whoa.

00:26:36.000 So you think going in for an unwanted kiss is sexual assault?

00:26:40.000 I thought you were talking about like something way more graphic.

00:26:43.000 Sexual assault is a branch of things.

00:26:45.000 Okay, so I'm including, I'm mostly talking about rape and incest and like physical sexual assault.

00:26:53.000 Yeah, of course I don't support that.

00:26:55.000 The president actually signed the Violence Against Womans Act.

00:26:58.000 Like there's a lot there that you should look at.

00:27:00.000 Okay.

00:27:00.000 But most importantly is this.

00:27:02.000 Reducing crime in the country is good for all people, women included.

00:27:05.000 But I do have to stand up and just disagree on one thing.

00:27:08.000 The overemphasis, though, on acting as if if some drunk frat bro goes in for a kiss and you didn't want it, that he should be labeled as a sexual assaulter or a rapist is bad for everybody.

00:27:18.000 I never said that.

00:27:19.000 Well, you did say it was sexual assault.

00:27:21.000 I don't think going in for... Kissing someone...

00:27:23.000 Sorry, you said going in, not like physically actually kissing someone.

00:27:27.000 Like leaning in for an unwanted kiss and maybe delivering that kiss that the girl did not want. 0.99

00:27:32.000 Is that sexual assault?

00:27:33.000 If it's done forcefully, then yes.

00:27:35.000 I mean, I'm sorry.

00:27:36.000 I think that's like improper and wrong.

00:27:38.000 I don't think the police should be involved in that.

00:27:41.000 Do you?

00:27:41.000 No.

00:27:43.000 There's so many different you think the police should be involved in like a frat situation where they're both drunk and a guy goes in for a kiss and she didn't want it.

00:27:51.000 That's not what I'm talking about.

00:27:52.000 That is exactly what you're talking about.

00:27:54.000 I'm talking, I literally blatantly said, I blatantly said rape, incest, physical.

00:27:58.000 Okay, I agree with all that.

00:27:59.000 On that, we should do more on that.

00:28:01.000 Thank you for your time.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 15, 2025

Debates From the Archive - Charlie on Abortion Part 2

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