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00:01:09.000Hi, I was hoping we could talk a little bit more about how you see college as a scam.
00:01:22.000What would you like to pinpoint on that?
00:01:24.000Yeah, well, I think a big part of your issue was that people are spending a lot of money and that you feel like they're not getting the equivalent of all the money that they go into debt or that they have to borrow to make it worth it.
00:01:36.000Well, in that case, I really, I think education is really awesome.
00:03:13.000I would probably say that education right now is the ability to go out and learn different mindsets, to be introduced to different subjects, to have the opportunities to talk about these things with a lot of different kinds of people.
00:03:25.000I think that's the really cool part about college.
00:03:27.000Someone like you can come here and have different opinions.
00:03:29.000My history teacher just talked about how he's like, he does this whole like, I'm a conservative, old school conservative act.
00:03:36.000And then one of my other teachers, she's like, I'm a bleeding hippie, you know?
00:03:40.000There's like a lot of opportunities to just be introduced to subjects you didn't even know were a thing.
00:03:45.000Like I didn't know that semiotics was a thing until my last philosophy class and I think that's really interesting.
00:03:51.000So just the idea that you get to go out to this place and you get to get taught about a bunch of different ideas.
00:03:59.000Are you against that being available for everyone?
00:04:01.000Well, I have a completely different view of what education is.
00:04:03.000So education in Latin means to lead forth.
00:04:07.000Your idea of education is the new age, which is we're going to have like a buffet line of postmodern ideas and all ideas are treated the same.
00:04:44.000Okay, so you really like the Greek ideas and like the Roman ideas of like the idea of perfection and perfect harmony because that's like a very Greek and Roman way of.
00:04:53.000Well, it's Western, which is the civilization we currently live in.
00:04:56.000Okay, but that's from Greek and Roman ideas.
00:04:59.000So the good, the true, and the beautiful are the three things that every college student should grapple with.
00:05:05.000Do you think in this current university that is what you're currently grappling with?
00:05:09.000That the focus of your education is enriching yourself to get closer to what is good, what is true, and beautiful.
00:05:15.000See, I don't engage with you on the ideas that good, true, and beautiful are something that can be defined and something that can be taught.
00:05:21.000You're perfect evidence of why I think college is a scam.
00:05:27.000Because of course they could be defined and they should be sought after.
00:05:30.000Okay, so you think that something like the beautiful, the perfect, like something like goodness can be defined and quantifiable, teachable?
00:05:46.000The ultimate perfection would be that there's a creator who loves you, who made you in his image, and loved you so much to come down and take the broken flesh form, live a perfect life, die and rise from the dead, that you might live forever.
00:06:01.000There is nothing more perfect, good, true, or beautiful than that.
00:06:06.000Okay, so I don't really engage with religion like that, but what about just the idea that you get to go to a place, you get taught about different subjects, you get the opportunity, okay, I'm sorry, because you don't have access to all these things wherever you come from.
00:06:19.000You get the opportunity to talk to people who know a lot about these different subjects and get to learn about that.
00:06:25.000You don't think that that should be free or like provide?
00:06:28.000First of all, I don't think it should be free, and I don't think that's what education should be or what it once was when it was at its best.
00:06:34.000Because we have like the Indian golden house of, oh no, I think it was called the Baghdad Golden House of Wisdom.
00:06:38.000We have the Greek and Roman, and they had their whole thing about how you have to learn astrology at the same time as learning your education.
00:06:46.000We have like so many different points of learning and knowledge.
00:07:17.000So it was at its best when we had a thing called classical education here in America, specifically around the American founding.
00:07:25.000Classical education has a prioritization on Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle, and the core canon of Greek thinking, which is that there is an abstract, distant good, the logos, which created the world, right?
00:07:40.000I want to try to find out more about what that is.
00:07:42.000So you think that education should revolve around ethics then?
00:07:46.000Well, it's a big part of education, yes.
00:07:48.000I think that creating good people should be the number one priority of education.
00:07:52.000Do you guys think that creating good people is a priority at Cal State Fullerton?
00:07:56.000I don't think that that is really a thing that you can achieve like with a pointed.
00:08:01.000I don't think there's a way to really teach somebody being like being a good person is so hard and it involves so many different factors.
00:08:09.000I could prove to you that we're getting a little bit too general with things because the Greeks and the Romans weren't really like they were they had a lot of beliefs, okay?
00:08:17.000Plato and Aristotle were not like, let's do the most good.
00:08:21.000They were not all in agreement about all these different things.
00:09:19.000But if you believe that somebody is always watching your behavior, you'd be less likely to lie, less likely to steal, less likely to cheat.
00:09:26.000And this is a good question because you're coming after this in good faith.
00:09:29.000Do you think human beings are generally naturally good or generally not so good?
00:09:34.000Are we flawed from our birth or are we good or are we a blank slave?
00:09:39.000So you're bringing up these Christian ideas of good again.
00:09:41.000I don't think we really come to the same synthesis on what a good person is.
00:09:48.000I feel like, again, you're not listening to me.
00:09:50.000I feel like we don't come to the same synthesis about what it is because for me, I think that something like good is again the question of ethics.
00:09:59.000It's not really a question of education, right?
00:10:02.000So you have to decide what's happening.
00:10:04.000What people decide for themselves is good is different, right?
00:10:08.000So Hitler thought what he was doing was good for his people.
00:10:11.000We do not see his actions as good because he was pretty awful to a lot of people.
00:10:16.000But when we turn things into an ethical question, he may see it as doing good for himself and God because yes, a lot of people believe they're doing good for God, even if that thing is killing people.
00:10:28.000Was Hitler doing something objectively wrong?
00:11:43.000We can't just reference random things and use that.
00:11:46.000Because right now we're talking about ideologies.
00:11:48.000Again, I find that what I consider to be good revolves more around the fact that humans are social creatures and generally pro-social attitudes of promoting collectivism tends to be, it tends to be better for people just because that's in our evolutionary nature.
00:12:04.000But you are a Christian, so you believe that there's a guy watching you and that's what makes you do good.
00:12:09.000You're like, if someone's watching me, I am more likely to be nice.
00:12:13.000But I want to be nice because I like to be able to do that.
00:12:56.000No, but I think that consequences, your actions can exist outside of a vacuum of consequences, right?
00:13:02.000We can't make our decisions based on whether or not we think the actions will lead to a certain outcome because those will always be random, right?
00:13:10.000So I revolve more around we try to do things that we think will promote general pro-social attitudes.
00:13:17.000I think that that is more likely to get us other than worrying about that.
00:13:52.000Okay, that's not socializing, and you know it.
00:13:54.000Antisocial behavior usually means doing things that are considered rejecting socialization, like rejecting other people, pushing things away, promoting things that other people actively end up considering less.
00:14:10.000So then should pedophiles go to prison?
00:14:31.000Again, we're getting really off topic.
00:14:32.000Let's go back to the ideas of good and evil and consequentialism.
00:14:35.000College is a scam, and you're a perfect example, like one of the best I've ever seen to show the intellectual drivel that is caught on a college campus.
00:14:44.000Because you think that I'm not being taught about the good, the pure.
00:14:47.000Let's go back to that, because I thought that was really interesting.
00:15:07.000What about just the idea of, because remember the ancient Greeks and Romans that you love so much, they didn't have the same ideas of God in the same way that we do, but they still...
00:15:22.000So when they wanted to learn, when they sought out learning, when they had schools of learning and all that kind of stuff, a lot of the times they didn't just teach things around ethics.
00:17:27.000So if you go, I don't know if this school has one, but if they have some sort of center for like, feminist ideology or some sort of inter do they have one here then that that is not in the pursuit of what is good, true and beautiful.
00:17:39.000That is in the pursuit of how I can complain and hate men and get a degree and be paid for that.
00:18:18.000Of course, allowed and elevated are two different things, but no one's forcing anyone here to take feminist studies.
00:18:23.000Has anyone here been forced to take a class full of drivel?
00:18:25.000Of course it's part of the part of the core of any school people.
00:18:29.000That's called general education and we do that so that people get a lot of opportunities to get exposed to different mindsets.
00:18:36.000Last question, you know I take, I take a feminist class and no one there is forcing me to believe in what they're saying, it's just letting exposing me to these writings, these ideas.
00:18:46.000If that's what college is about exposing yourself to different ideas, we have a different.
00:19:53.000Because all of a sudden Aristotle is aware of it.
00:19:55.000It's one of the reasons why this civilization is collapsing.
00:19:58.000Because we send kids to go hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt that can't answer the most simple biological question.
00:20:04.000I'll ask you one last time: what is a woman?
00:20:08.000I know you're not asking this for actual, you're trying to get a gotcha, right?
00:20:12.000You're trying to get like a little baity question, but I really want to know why it is so important to you to define things in certain categories.
00:20:20.000How does that help your day-to-day life?
00:20:22.000What other categories in the human species are there besides male and female?
00:20:26.000Well, I just think that categorization is usually unhelpful when we're trying to improve society, right?
00:20:31.000We want to make things better for people.
00:21:29.000So a lot of times feminism has to do with the ways that people have treated the female sex on a different way than the male sex has traditionally.
00:21:39.000It's all about analyzing that and exposing it.
00:21:42.000You say that men and women are different, and you think that these people disagree.
00:22:20.000Why do you see yourself as a man who has to protect and take care of other people?
00:22:26.000You are placing yourself on this higher ideological standpoint where you gain more power by having someone that you can protect.
00:22:34.000I find that system and hierarchy of power to be just exhausting to traverse the world through, just looking at people as people to protect and people to take care of instead of us working together, right?
00:22:53.000There's tons of differences just between the male and the female sex.
00:22:57.000But what's important is how we treat people because of that.
00:23:01.000So therefore they have different contributions to give to society.
00:23:04.000I think that everybody has different contributions, man.
00:23:07.000Just because I'm not popping out kids 24-7 doesn't mean I can't be helpful.
00:23:11.000I'm not saying that that's not the case.
00:23:13.000However, if you can't tell me again what a woman is, and you're not able to answer the question because that is the cheat code against postmodernism.
00:23:21.000No, because I don't think you even know what postmodernism is or what you're doing.
00:23:24.000Well, if you want to talk about Herbert Marcuse or Jacques Derrida or Michelle Foucault, one-dimensional man.
00:24:46.000Well, I mean, it kind of depends on what your promise was when you gave the product in the first place, right?
00:24:51.000Okay, so how about if you go to Chili's and 40% of your customers get food poisoning?
00:24:55.000I kind of reject your equivalency here because you're saying that there's an actual necessary like return on what you're asking for when college in and of itself doesn't necessarily say that you're going to get this.
00:25:38.000Graduation rate and whether or not a college degree is useful in the marketplace.
00:25:42.000Well, I mean, you're kind of saying that like because people aren't or like they're not, I guess, using their degree 10 years from like when they got it, that necessarily means that like college is useless.
00:25:50.000But you're kind of like forgetting, like, if I do a job, right?
00:25:53.000Like any of the people working here, right?
00:25:55.000They work for you maybe two years, work at turning point, right?
00:25:57.000They take skills that they learn with them to a new job.
00:26:00.000So not necessarily that they are using everything they learned at this job and then taking it to the next one.
00:26:04.000They could be just like doing something completely different.
00:26:06.000So you could say that maybe their work here was useless, but you probably wouldn't think that, right?
00:26:09.000I think it's kind of the same thing with college, except that you might not necessarily use your degree, but you're using skills that you got at college for your next job.
00:26:16.000So it doesn't necessarily mean that you have to use it in the future.
00:26:19.000I want to make sure you're understanding what I'm saying.
00:26:20.000The job that they get does not require them to have a degree.
00:26:23.000So they could have gotten that job out of high school.
00:26:25.000But they could have got the skills without the $100,000 in debt.
00:26:29.000You're kind of skipping the midpoint here, right?
00:26:31.000Because if you learn something and then don't necessarily use it at your next job, that doesn't necessarily mean what you learned before was useless.
00:26:37.000Okay, so you're predicting this on what college something that you use in the future, right?
00:26:41.000The vast majority of the students that enter college, what do you think they learn that is most useful in the marketplace?
00:27:41.000It says achieve greatness to prepare students for the 21st century and an ever-evolving job market.
00:27:46.000According to statistics, half of graduates from this university will end up getting jobs of which they never had to go to college in the first place.
00:27:53.000They never had to get the piece of paper.
00:27:55.000They never had to go into debt and they never had to spend four years here.
00:27:58.000If you went to United Airlines, if you went to a bank and 10, 20, 30% of their promises were a lot different or what they deliver were different than the promises of what they say, we would shut them down as a scam and saying they're lying to their customers.
00:28:21.000We shut down industries all the time for misleading their customers.
00:28:25.000So for example, my question for this, when you guys enrolled at this university, did you know that if you're studying sociology, more likely than not, you're going to end up in a job market where that piece of paper is not actually a factor in future employment?
00:28:40.000Was that part of when you signed up here?
00:29:07.000And that promise is not fulfilled far too often.
00:29:10.000I would say 30 to 40% of the time, minimum, 50 to 60% of the time.
00:29:14.000Okay, so what you're saying right now is, because I asked you, I said, where do they specifically say that you are guaranteed a job, right?
00:29:27.000Okay, the expectation of borrowing hundreds of thousands of dollars, tens of thousands of dollars, potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars, is I'm betting on myself to enrich my future.
00:29:36.000That's the whole idea why they're here.
00:29:38.000Okay, so it's not as if you walk around, you're like, well, it's a risk.
00:29:42.000You know, here at college, take, you know, North African lesbian poetry and spend all this time here, you know, learning why men can give birth.
00:29:49.000No, the idea is that I'm going to suck it up and go through these classes of the four most important years of my life where I have energy and I have passion, and then I'll be able to go get a great job.
00:29:58.000For certain degrees and majors, that's the case.
00:30:01.000But here's the part, in economics or in markets, you need informed consent.
00:30:05.000And far too often, students are not given informed consent for the debt burden, the time, and unfortunately, the dropout rates that are associated with college.
00:30:14.000Not to mention the ideological drivel.
00:30:17.000You know, honestly, like, I think you're touching on an important point, which is that there needs to be an informed consumer.
00:30:22.000However, I think that, like, because my original question was, do you think college is a scam, right?
00:30:26.000And you tried to give me like a metric for which it's like making it a scam.
00:30:30.000But like, I feel like you haven't said anything about like how, like, college, like, college doesn't promise you that you're going to get a lot of money.
00:33:09.000And your only value criteria was that people couldn't get a job out of college.
00:33:13.000And you're literally saying that you can get a job out of college for being an accountant.
00:33:17.000Let me make the shirt even more specific.
00:33:19.000College in its current form that affects the majority of students at the majority of colleges, not counting the sliver cases of doctors, nurses, lawyers, accountants that are able to avoid left-wing parasitic ideology is a scam.
00:33:31.000It's like the majority of people that come up with...
00:33:33.000That doesn't make a good t-shirt, man.
00:33:36.000I mean, I can do my own little like, yeah, like, you know, like conservative ideologies, like making everyone, like, go back to, like, trad, you know, like traditionalism, like seventh century, you know, like, I can do that too.
00:33:46.000Like, but we're not actually having a discussion if you just keep throwing buzzwords in here.
00:34:43.000So again, I'm happy to direct you to my 300 piece of page piece of literature where I dive into with necessary exceptions, but even if you go to become an accountant, there's a cost to that.
00:34:55.000There's an ideological cost, there's a time cost, there's a financial cost, and that's if you are able to avoid the inevitable indoctrination.
00:35:02.000A lot of other people want to ask questions.