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00:01:09.000I'd like to disagree with you about college as a scam.
00:01:44.000Okay, well, I find that hard to believe.
00:01:46.000Why is it that employers are more and more not wanting to hire college graduates and they actually want to hire people that didn't go to college?
00:01:56.000Walmart just got rid of their, even in their corporate level, so you don't need to go to college.
00:02:00.000Coke Industries, one of the largest employers in the country from Georgia Pacific Railroad to Dow Chemical.
00:02:05.000They said we no longer want kids that have gone to college because they end up causing problems because they're super entitled and they're like, oh, what are my pronouns?
00:02:12.000And they have all this like left-wing nonsense that they've been filled with.
00:02:14.000Well, then you have engineers, doctors, lawyers, people that are...
00:02:17.000Sure, we need that, but that's less than 20% of the people that go to college.
00:02:32.000I can have a more wordy thing, which is the vast majority of people that go to college are receiving a scam for the money that they're borrowing.
00:03:59.000The majority of kids that go to college are more depressed than a PhD degree are able to perform much better in their field than someone who doesn't.
00:04:07.000Well, then, if that's the question, if that really is true, if college is this amazing accelerant, then why do so many people?
00:04:24.000If that's the case, why do half of these kids end up with anywhere between $50,000 to $100,000 in debt and they end up getting a job that says, oh, sorry, you never needed the degree in the first place?
00:06:23.000Now I have $60,000 in debt, $70,000 in debt.
00:06:26.000I wanted to start a business, but now I don't have the credit to do it.
00:06:29.000Instead, we are wasting our most prized possession, our 18 to 22-year-olds, to go stick them at many universities when they shouldn't be here in the first place.
00:09:47.000So you get a job that requires a college degree.
00:09:52.000Yeah, so any business that has a 50% rate of a customer being scammed will be shut down by the federal government for disenfranchising their customers.
00:09:59.000You went to Chile, it's like, hey, 50% chance that our fries are going to give you food poisoning.
00:10:03.000So if you look at college more than just getting a job, more as educating the population, would you say that's a scam?
00:10:10.000Well, it depends on what you think college is and what it's become.
00:10:13.000Secondly, 41% of people that enter college don't graduate.
00:10:22.000I mean, are you learning about the beauty of Western civilization and reading the Federalist Papers of Hamilton and Madison and Jay?
00:10:27.000And do you get a positive view of America or do you spend time on postmodernism of Michelle Foucault and Jacques Derrida and Gene Stefanik and Derek Bell?
00:11:58.000Again, it depends on what you're studying, why you're there.
00:12:01.000But you don't, this idea that engineering, you need a four-year degree, you could also just learn to code in six months and work for Salesforce and earn $180,000 a year.
00:15:02.000So half of this audience, if you get a job, will get a job that doesn't require a college degree.
00:15:08.00041% of kids that enter college will not graduate.
00:15:11.000And the vast majority of kids, 60 to 70% that go to college, I believe, study things that are completely worthless, meaningless, and don't enrich society at all.
00:15:19.000But is that the fault of the student or the college?
00:15:23.000Because I looked in the stats for this.
00:15:25.000It's usually because they either don't have the finances to support themselves going to college, they don't, they have mental health problems that lead them to dropping out or stress or their family's not supporting them.
00:15:36.000So is that the fault of college that they pick bad degrees?
00:15:38.000Is it the fault of the college that they can't support themselves?
00:15:41.000It's like getting a gym membership and then saying, well, you know, I don't want to actually go work out.
00:16:23.000But let's talk about the institution itself.
00:16:25.000So everyone in the audience here, how many of you have had to take classes that are a waste of time that you wish you didn't have to take, that are a waste of money, and that every single hand goes up?
00:16:49.000And by the way, every other part of life is all about your own customization.
00:16:54.000Your Netflix account, how you get your burrito bowl from how you dress, your Amazon cart is you are in charge.
00:17:01.000But you come to college and they say you must go take these three, four, five classes that are very expensive, especially for you out-of-state students, to go further into debt, study things that don't matter, to find jobs that don't exist.
00:18:27.000If you guys want to fly to New York and Spirit Airlines says we're going to charge you $2,500 for a one-way ticket, I think we'd all could agree flying Spirit Airlines for $2,500 is a scam.
00:18:40.000I mean, it depends on how you view the worth of college.
00:18:43.000Like, if you've the federal reserve for San Francisco gave a, released a newsletter discussing the actual finances behind is college actually worth it.
00:18:57.000And they found that by age 40, you recoup all the, the average student recoups all their costs.
00:19:25.000Do you know that there are 11 million job openings in this country that pay $75,000 a year, that require six weeks of training, that require muscular labor or using your hands?
00:19:38.000Now, a lot of you guys are in college because you've been pushed into college saying that you must get the piece of paper, you might get the piece of paper when there are very, they're good paying jobs, 11 million of them, but either your society, your parents, or your own choices are, no, I want to go to college, I want to go after that piece of paper.
00:19:56.000My contention is that there are way better options out there for a lot of students.
00:20:00.000Not every student, but almost a lot of other students.
00:20:03.000Charlie, I think a part of your core rhetoric, there's actually some real truth there that like I think a lot of there's people are getting really just pressured to go to college even if they make poor choices.
00:20:12.000I'm just saying that even while you're in college, you can make better choices to make yourself a colleague.
00:20:53.000But do you think that the culture around students going to college could change instead around their decision making?
00:20:59.000I think we need way less kids going to college.
00:21:01.000The institution itself is so broken, let's be clear.
00:21:03.000Forced diversity classes, DEI, all that stuff, it's nonsense.
00:21:07.000If it was really, college really should be closer to what Hillsdale College is, which is about wisdom, beauty, truth, goodness, not just about job preparedness.
00:22:03.000So you said that economics was not the best thing to study, in your opinion.
00:22:08.000Like when I put my hand up, the question I wanted to ask was like, what do you actually think the best thing to study is?
00:22:13.000What's the best reason to come to college?
00:22:15.000Again, if you're going to a super left-wing college and you're trying to just get the piece of paper and credential, I mean, you should go at what the college is, if it's known for, if it's best at.
00:22:24.000And so I don't know what UW is known for or what it's best at.
00:23:53.000So they have higher tuition, and they have to justify to donors how they're doing every single year, but they still might get some federal money.
00:25:18.000You don't need to go to University of Washington.
00:25:20.000The thing is, though, the thing is, though, that you are not going to get hired over somebody that has graduated from UW computer science degree.
00:25:29.000Employers less and less likely actually want to hire kids from college because they work the least, they're the most entitled, and the quickest to run to HR about problems and mispronouncing people.
00:26:04.000I mean, we just have a disagreement here.
00:26:06.000My whole point is to try to push the boundaries of discussion to make you guys open your eyes and realize you guys are getting ripped off by the institution here.
00:26:16.000Yeah, so I do not believe that I'm getting ripped off because in my field, it is very important, especially with how oversaturated it is right now.
00:26:31.000And I might take all your jobs away sometimes, by the way.
00:26:33.000To stand out, the whole point is that here and elsewhere around the country, we're doing a bunch of research on how computer scientists and like engineers in general are still going to be useful with the rise of AI.
00:26:47.000Elsewhere, you don't learn stuff like that.
00:26:50.000You've maybe heard about the Harvard eight-week course, right, that you were probably talking about just a second ago.
00:26:57.000However, when you actually do take that course, you don't get a lot of the reasoning skills, a lot of the practical application skills, and a lot of the things that I'm learning every day in my classes.
00:27:08.000And so the fact that you can learn it in eight weeks and get a job because you have the qualifications, it's true maybe, but in the market that we have right now where the job market is super oversaturated, there are a ton of people getting computer science degrees.
00:27:23.000These employers, most of the high-level ones that are going to pay you a lot of money, are not looking for somebody who has the base level qualifications.
00:27:32.000And one more thing is that to get these jobs coming straight out of college, even with a degree in computer science from UW, which UW is known for computer science, you are going to have to have years and years of internship and job experience in most cases.
00:27:47.000Otherwise, you're going to be doing the base of the base level.
00:27:50.000So we just have a difference of a worldview.
00:27:53.000I say, why not graduate from high school, learn to code, and go beg for an internship and bypass the college thing completely.
00:28:00.000You'd be amazed at how willing people are to help with that.
00:28:03.000Again, you guys have enlargely sold a lie that you need to march through this place for four years and check the boxes and get the piece of paper and it's been dangled in front of you.
00:28:11.000I'm here to tell you, and I'm only 10 years older than you, that the world doesn't really care before you went to college.
00:28:16.000They care when you come out of college as your first job.
00:28:19.000Once you're in the door, it really is rather irrelevant.
00:28:52.000Unfortunately, I don't have a question based off any statistics, just based off observations that I've seen.
00:28:56.000I know you mentioned a lot about students, or that college might be a bit of a waste of time because there's still opportunities that can be found outside of this game.
00:29:05.000Can you just touch a little bit on like where you think all the students, if every student didn't go to college, where their jobs would be?
00:29:13.000Again, they don't tell you guys this because you've been lied to and you guys have been propagandized.
00:29:18.000But there's 11 million job openings right now in this country that don't require a college degree that pays $75,000 or more a year that only requires six weeks of training.
00:29:25.000And most of those are in what kind of fields?
00:29:27.000Advanced engineering, or like just say advanced manufacturing, I'm sorry, working with your hands.
00:29:33.000Like for example, a manager of a Walmart pays minimum $250,000 a year, upwards of $400,000 a year.
00:29:38.000Okay, so this is where my question that doesn't come with any stats come into play.
00:29:42.000The quality of life, so I major in construction management.
00:29:44.000I'm in the construction field quite often.
00:29:46.000I see a lot of these people that are doing this hard labor.
00:29:49.000The way of life that they live often seems kind of miserable.
00:29:52.000Like they're going home every night, drinking every single day.
00:29:55.000The people that are in the oil fields, like, how do you kind of, what do you kind of view on that?
00:29:59.000Yeah, look, muscular labor comes at a big cost.
00:30:01.000Not every one of those 11 million jobs are the job you're describing.
00:30:05.000But I would say that if you go visit a data center, they're not exactly having a great life either.
00:30:10.000They're going home and they're popping Xanaxes and Prozacs and drinking white wine until they pass out.
00:30:14.000So before you just criticize every muscular labor, not criticize, but say that.
00:30:19.000But I mean, look, construction management, I'm glad you're studying that.
00:30:22.000I don't think you need to go to college for that.
00:30:23.000Yeah, I think my reason for going to college with this right now is because it's just going to put me a few steps ahead where a lot of these people that are in the.
00:30:57.000I just don't, I don't think it's as necessary as people think it is.
00:30:59.000Yes, I think my point is like for me going to college, I'm going to get into a position like project manager, superintendent, whatever it might be, where a lot of these people, like if I don't go to college, I'm probably going to be doing carpentry, painting, like drywall, all the other stuff that is less desirable.
00:31:14.000And that obviously comes with more sacrifices.