The Charlie Kirk Show - May 30, 2023


Debt Deal... or Debt Disaster?


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A deal has been struck to raise the U.S. Government's debt ceiling to $16.7 trillion. Democrats and Republicans have been at odds for years over raising the ceiling, and now a deal appears to be in the works. What are the details of the deal and what is actually in it?

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, who's the third person at the negotiating table for the debt ceiling?
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00:01:23.000 Happy Tuesday.
00:01:24.000 I hope you had an enjoyable Memorial Day and thank you for everyone who gave their life to our country.
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00:01:39.000 People are fired up.
00:01:41.000 Looks like we have a debt ceiling deal.
00:01:43.000 Let's just start with the facts.
00:01:45.000 And I totally hear you.
00:01:47.000 The emails, oh my goodness, one after the other after the other after the other.
00:01:50.000 And by the way, we have Chip Roy coming on.
00:01:52.000 We got Andy Biggs coming on, but I think it's important we go through the facts.
00:01:55.000 What is in this alleged deal?
00:01:58.000 What are the details?
00:02:00.000 So let's go through it.
00:02:02.000 Okay, so the first thing is we have to remember how this all started.
00:02:06.000 Democrats wanted a complete and total debt ceiling increase, no negotiation at all.
00:02:12.000 And that's typically how the unit party operates.
00:02:15.000 Now, this is worth recognizing and noticing because the mandate that we, the conservative base, gave to our elected officials, at least some form of a negotiation process began to unfold.
00:02:25.000 Remember, they wanted to use the 14th Amendment to increase the debt ceiling.
00:02:30.000 No negotiations.
00:02:31.000 We're not going to talk about anything.
00:02:32.000 Now, Chip Roy is going to join our program.
00:02:35.000 The government is 40% bigger than it was pre-COVID.
00:02:40.000 The Leviathan, the Beast, the bureaucracy, the fourth branch of government is 40% bigger.
00:02:45.000 Is your family income 40% higher?
00:02:47.000 Is your family wealth 40% higher?
00:02:50.000 The wealthiest counties in America around Washington, D.C., what do they make exactly?
00:02:54.000 What products are they producing?
00:02:57.000 No, they're making points off of $50 billion appropriation there, war machine there, COVID emergency measure there.
00:03:04.000 The amount of printed and created money that the cartel of Washington, D.C., the crime syndicate of Washington, D.C. makes is remarkable.
00:03:13.000 And it's 40% higher than it was before Donald Trump said drain the swamp.
00:03:18.000 Think about the anger that people had towards Washington, D.C. in 2016 when Donald Trump said drain the swamp.
00:03:25.000 The government is almost 50% bigger than it was when Donald Trump originally said drain the swamp.
00:03:32.000 Boy, if there is a stock to buy, forget Apple, forget Alphabet, forget Amazon.
00:03:36.000 Can you buy stock in the growth of the federal government?
00:03:40.000 Maybe you buy treasury bills, but be careful with that one.
00:03:42.000 Okay, so what's actually in this deal?
00:03:44.000 So you have to remember: the Democrats didn't want to negotiate at all.
00:03:47.000 Democrats were doing the typical thing, Chuck Hugh Schumer, we're going to do a clean thing, 14th Amendment.
00:03:51.000 They got proxies like the Snow Woman, Amy Klobuchar going out and saying we're going to do 14th Amendment. 0.95
00:03:55.000 You got Lawrence Tribe floating this out.
00:03:57.000 It's been a mess for quite some time.
00:03:59.000 But Republicans, to their credit, passed a good bill in the House.
00:04:02.000 It wasn't a great bill, it was a good bill.
00:04:04.000 As the first salvo put the Democrats on defense, saying, Hey, you're going to have to negotiate at some point.
00:04:09.000 Okay, so let's go through actually what's here because there's a lot of chatter about it.
00:04:14.000 Let's go through the actual details.
00:04:16.000 So, this will raise the debt ceiling through January of 2025.
00:04:21.000 Now, many people were going into this battle hoping on a 10-year cap on spending.
00:04:25.000 What came away with was a freeze on spending for this year, followed by a 1% increase next year, which, if we stuck to it, would probably be a cut since our inflation rate is about 6% to 7% right now.
00:04:36.000 After 2025, though, there's no actual cuts on spending.
00:04:39.000 Instead, they're non-binding suggestions as the New York Times described it.
00:04:44.000 Now, let me just be honest: full transparency here.
00:04:46.000 I do this for a living. 0.89
00:04:48.000 I spent three hours reading this darn thing, and I'm still not certain on some of it. 0.97
00:04:53.000 It is written in like Orwellian doublespeak, thou shall not. 0.97
00:04:56.000 I mean, it's like the new King James Bible, not even New Kings, it's like original King James Bible: Thou shallest cut thou spending in thy future.
00:05:05.000 You're like, What?
00:05:06.000 Who talks like this?
00:05:07.000 Answer lobbyists and cartel members.
00:05:11.000 Okay, so after a lot of research, and I, by the way, I had our team going into this.
00:05:16.000 I said, What exactly is here?
00:05:17.000 Let's you know, get out of the noise.
00:05:18.000 The media is cheerleading this whole thing.
00:05:20.000 And I want to get actually into the details of all this.
00:05:23.000 So, let's keep on going through it, okay?
00:05:26.000 And even with that, some of the experts and the people are like, Well, I think it's this, and it depends on how the CBO scores it.
00:05:33.000 And some of it's murky.
00:05:35.000 Some of it are some victories and successes.
00:05:38.000 We'll talk about that.
00:05:39.000 Okay, unspent COVID relief funds are now being returned now that the COVID emergency is officially over.
00:05:45.000 That's about $30 billion in spending reform.
00:05:49.000 Now, some of these suggestions are just a little opaque, definitely needs some clarifying.
00:05:54.000 Republicans want a tougher requirements that people receive in government benefits, like Medicaid, SNAP, or food stamps, or TANF, T-A-N-F.
00:06:03.000 So, if you hear TANF, which again, it's very hard to say that three quick times, TANF, TANT, TANF, is welfare, had to be working for looking for work.
00:06:12.000 In the end, there were no changes of Medicaid, unfortunately.
00:06:16.000 But for food stamps, the age range where recipients have to be working or in training programs to receive benefits will be raised from 49 to 54.
00:06:26.000 The government also tightened the ability of states to grant waivers from this requirement, but the deal would also exempt veterans and homeless who previously were not exempt from work requirements.
00:06:36.000 Now, for TANF, T-A-N-F, there aren't expanded work requirements.
00:06:40.000 But once again, the deal would make it harder for states to grant exemptions to them.
00:06:43.000 Now, this is the most debated point is here.
00:06:46.000 And we have Chip Roy that has an opinion on it.
00:06:49.000 And Speaker McCarthy has said one thing.
00:06:52.000 I'm not a parliamentarian.
00:06:52.000 I don't know.
00:06:54.000 Again, I don't even think the lobbyists or some of the people writing these bills know how this is going to turn out.
00:07:00.000 Okay, so the question is on the IRS agents.
00:07:03.000 One version of events, Russ Vote, has said that this is nonsense.
00:07:07.000 They didn't defund any IRS agents.
00:07:09.000 The other side of it is that they're saying, no, no, no, it cut $1.3 billion out of the $80 billion to the IRS agents, so they can't hire any agents this year.
00:07:21.000 Okay, I'm not sure.
00:07:23.000 So the New York Times has an important follow-up on this.
00:07:25.000 Officials said in a background call with reporters they expected no disruptions whatsoever from the loss of the money in the short term.
00:07:32.000 So the IRS is saying our auditing will be uninterrupted.
00:07:36.000 So that's a debated point right now.
00:07:39.000 So officials say the IRS might simply pull forward some of the money earmarked for later years, then return it to Congress later and asking for more money, according to the New York Times.
00:07:47.000 Now, there are no new tax increases that we know of in this, no closing of loopholes.
00:07:54.000 And I want to read this right here.
00:07:56.000 So here's the debt ceiling kind of talking points, if you will.
00:08:03.000 HR1 energy permitting reform as passed by the House, which could go both ways, by the way.
00:08:09.000 That could also make green energy work programs approved quicker.
00:08:13.000 $131 billion cut to annual spending next year, shrinking the federal bureaucracy to pre-COVID cap for 10 years.
00:08:20.000 Now, that is a win, but we want to make sure we're clear with you, though, that we're cutting rates of growth based on an increased leviathan.
00:08:28.000 So it's like saying, okay, our budget is 50% bigger than it was six years ago.
00:08:33.000 And instead of growing by 6%, we're going to grow by 4%.
00:08:36.000 Now, obviously, I'd rather have it grow by 4%, but that's important clarity.
00:08:41.000 It repeals Democrats' $1.2 trillion IRA, unreliable energy tax break for the rich corporations and for communist China. 0.55
00:08:50.000 That's a win. 0.82
00:08:51.000 Fully overturn Biden's half a trillion dollar student loan bailout for gender studies majors, et cetera.
00:08:58.000 So, however, that's going to be decided in the courts, and Biden was very firm on that.
00:09:03.000 Based on all public reporting, Joe Biden and his cartel fought the hardest on the student loan relief.
00:09:09.000 That goes to show something.
00:09:10.000 They're very protective over the student loan bailout.
00:09:13.000 It's interesting.
00:09:15.000 So the IRS thing is debated.
00:09:16.000 We're going to get more clarity on that.
00:09:18.000 It also reclaims $50 billion in unobligated unspent COVID funding.
00:09:22.000 Now, look, here's something that we need to make sure is reinforced.
00:09:26.000 Most speakers, Paul Ryan, John Boehner, Nancy Pelosi, Denny Hassert, would just do clean debt ceiling increases.
00:09:33.000 They wouldn't have any sort of negotiation tied to that.
00:09:36.000 Now, none of us are happy with just like happy talk, patty cake, or any of that.
00:09:42.000 The question is, are there wins here?
00:09:45.000 Yeah, there are.
00:09:47.000 But you guys aren't happy.
00:09:48.000 I hear you.
00:09:49.000 I see you.
00:09:50.000 And again, the legislative details here are still emerging because it still has to go through House Rules Committee.
00:09:56.000 But one of the reasons we couldn't even get a better deal is that there has been somebody peering over Kevin McCarthy's shoulder.
00:10:04.000 And we have some reports to share with you, some confidential briefing reports.
00:10:07.000 I was working the phones yesterday.
00:10:09.000 I was calling members.
00:10:10.000 I was calling people that were where I said, tell me the truth here.
00:10:12.000 What really happened here?
00:10:14.000 We have something to share because this is being framed far too much as McCarthy v. Biden.
00:10:18.000 No, there's a third character here that had a significant and heavy influence in these negotiations.
00:10:25.000 If you are underwhelmed, if you are angry, if you are furious, if you're upset, I hear you.
00:10:30.000 But it's important to mention the third actor in this, and it's not the turtle.
00:10:35.000 No, it's a fan favorite on this program.
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00:12:17.000 The media framing of McCarthy v. Biden is incomplete.
00:12:21.000 So look, there's a lot of people talking out there.
00:12:23.000 They talk, And talking is fine.
00:12:27.000 But look, I read your emails.
00:12:29.000 I see the sentiment.
00:12:30.000 So I was working the phones yesterday.
00:12:31.000 I wanted to learn everything I possibly could.
00:12:33.000 Because look, let me be very clear.
00:12:34.000 I'm a deficit hawk.
00:12:35.000 I have been my whole life.
00:12:36.000 I think this overspending, this indulgence in debt is going to destroy our country.
00:12:42.000 I'm a balanced budget guy.
00:12:43.000 In fact, part of the mess that we're in, if we're honest with ourselves, is created thanks to Republicans.
00:12:48.000 And that's going to be the illuminating aspect I'm about to share with you.
00:12:52.000 So as I'm working the phones here, especially with people that would non-traditionally come on this program, I said, okay, why couldn't we get more domestic cuts?
00:13:01.000 Why couldn't we get, and they said, look, Charlie, and this was very important.
00:13:04.000 They said, you understand that a third aspect of this was Lindsey Graham in the U.S. Senate holding the neoliberal neocons hostage in the Senate, saying that we're not going to pass anything unless we get military increases, military increases of money to Ukraine, saying that we don't have bullets, we don't have ammunition.
00:13:24.000 So a third element here that's very important that I learned through private phone calls and talking to people that were intimately involved in the process here is that Lady Graham was threatening to blow anything up and saying, I don't care about your domestic stuff. 0.99
00:13:40.000 We need to have increases of what's happening in the defense.
00:13:44.000 So if you think it's a terrible deal, I'm going to say, Charlie, this is a terrible deal. 1.00
00:13:47.000 They think we're all ignorant fools. 1.00
00:13:48.000 Okay, I hear you. 1.00
00:13:49.000 Got it.
00:13:49.000 Message received.
00:13:52.000 However, you must understand that blocking up against driving a harder bargain is the fact that we have to spend $880 billion on Millie's military.
00:14:03.000 Now, mind you, some of you guys might say, oh, come on, you know, the military is sacred.
00:14:07.000 I disagree.
00:14:08.000 The United States military defense budget is more about colonizing the world for values that I don't hold and you don't hold.
00:14:16.000 It's not about constitutional republicanism or even democracy or consent to the governed. 0.98
00:14:21.000 No, no, no, it's about LGBT and BLM.
00:14:26.000 And secondly, you have White Rage, Mark Milley, and we're involving ourselves in Ukraine.
00:14:33.000 All roads lead to Ukraine.
00:14:35.000 So interestingly enough, we could have drove a much harder bargain and we still can if Republicans would just get off of their fascination with the war machine.
00:14:46.000 I just, you know, learning about, so here's you have McCarthy and Biden, but peeking over the shoulder of Kevin McCarthy is Senator Lindsey Grant saying, no, no, no, I'm not.
00:14:58.000 And by the way, there's a huge block of Senate Republicans that basically Lindsey Graham represents the neocon hawks, Joni Ernst, people like that, that were threatening, saying, hey, we're not going to put up with any sort of cuts.
00:15:13.000 Why do we have as many military bases that we do?
00:15:16.000 These are questions that we need to ask that if we're serious about cutting domestic spending, why aren't we saying, hey, Mark Milley, am I going to give you unlimited amounts of money?
00:15:25.000 In fact, Lindsey Graham has gone to Twitter and he is bashing this deal, but he's not bashing the deal in the way that you would.
00:15:32.000 In the grassroots, in the grassroots, you're emailing me, Charlie, it's not enough spending cuts in here.
00:15:36.000 Do you know what Lindsey Graham is saying?
00:15:38.000 He's saying that it doesn't increase military spending enough.
00:15:42.000 He's saying that we don't have enough ships and all that's all a bunch of nonsense.
00:15:44.000 This is fear-mongering nonsense.
00:15:46.000 Ryan, get that cut from the Raytheon CEO that says the reason that we are depleting our military stockpiles is because we're involved in a proxy war against the Russian Federation.
00:15:57.000 Here is Lindsey Graham telling you his true motivations.
00:16:01.000 Lindsey Graham and the warmongering Republicans were more involved in this than you could ever imagine, including Gallagher from Wisconsin, threatening to blow up the entire deal, which then was a limiting factor for us to be able to get serious domestic spending reform. 0.99
00:16:18.000 Play cut four, the best money we've ever spent, according to Lindsey Graham.
00:16:22.000 The best money.
00:16:23.000 In fact, we want more money, which is to send money to Ukraine.
00:16:26.000 Play cut four. 0.90
00:16:27.000 Free or death.
00:16:28.000 Free or death.
00:16:30.000 Now you are free.
00:16:31.000 Yes, and we will be. 1.00
00:16:32.000 And the Russians are back. 0.99
00:16:34.000 Is it the best money we've ever spent? 1.00
00:16:37.000 Thank you so much.
00:16:38.000 The best money we ever spent.
00:16:40.000 Our border is wide open.
00:16:42.000 We have $80 billion going to militarized IRS agents.
00:16:46.000 And Lindsey Graham is in a foreign country while threatening to blow up progress that we can make on domestic spending to make sure that Zelensky and Ukraine have an uninterrupted line of funding. 0.54
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00:18:11.000 Okay, so this is very important.
00:18:13.000 Speaker McCarthy in these negotiations was up against a limit.
00:18:18.000 And the limit, the limitations that was put on him is not only by the House Freedom Caucus, which I support a balanced budget and I support radical spending cuts, and I know you do too.
00:18:29.000 No, the limitation, quite honestly, was being put on by defense hawks that wanted Millie's military to receive uninterrupted funding or the Department of Homeland Security to have even more money to be able to spy on Americans or the FBI.
00:18:44.000 You see, the Warhawks and the domestic Warhawks were heavily involved in this process, and it wasn't always materializing.
00:18:52.000 You see, the fixation on supporting the American war machine makes it very hard for us to negotiate in good faith.
00:19:02.000 Now, the Democrats don't negotiate in good faith. 1.00
00:19:04.000 They're a bunch of fraudsters and criminals. 0.97
00:19:06.000 But at the same time, we must be honest about our own side, which is, okay, we are a nation that is verging on bankruptcy. 0.89
00:19:13.000 We are heading towards that cliff very quickly.
00:19:16.000 And we talk about fiscal discipline and fiscal responsibility.
00:19:20.000 But why are we also not being honest about that our defense budget, the Department of Defense, is the Department of Invading Other Countries and the Department of Offense.
00:19:32.000 If Republicans are serious about fiscal responsibility and fiscal discipline, then you have to be willing to cut spending across the board.
00:19:39.000 And I believe there is an appetite actually amongst you in a way there wasn't five or six years ago.
00:19:45.000 The biggest ongoing harm in 9-11 is how it has made the Republican Party on this permanent war-industrial complex footing, a permanent security state.
00:19:57.000 There are so many things that we could achieve if we left those things behind.
00:20:01.000 And it would put the Democrats on defense because here's what happened in these negotiations.
00:20:04.000 Again, the Democrats, I don't trust them as far as I could throw them, but this is a true story of what happened in this negotiation.
00:20:11.000 The Biden team meets with the McCarthy team, and McCarthy is starting to say, hey, we could cut this.
00:20:18.000 And Biden says, well, you know, let's do some military cuts.
00:20:23.000 Let's do some cuts to the military. 0.95
00:20:24.000 Now, whether Biden meant it or not, we don't know, because again, they're a bunch of fraudsters, okay?
00:20:31.000 But we can't even call the bluff.
00:20:34.000 McCarthy can't get the bill passed out of the House and certainly not the Senate because Lady Graham is holding all the neocons hostage. 0.99
00:20:42.000 So McCarthy is just a reflection of the legislative reality that's happening in some sense, especially when it comes to defense.
00:20:51.000 And so Lindsey Graham goes to Kyiv, Kiev, visit, totally on purpose in the last couple weeks. 0.66
00:21:00.000 And so instead of saying, okay, Biden, we'll cut the diversity programs, we'll cut the gay poems on warships. 0.82
00:21:07.000 In fact, while we're at it, why don't we cut all the money to Ukraine? 0.95
00:21:11.000 Why are we doing this?
00:21:12.000 Ukraine's not a state.
00:21:13.000 They don't participate in our elections. 0.95
00:21:15.000 Our constitution's about the United States.
00:21:17.000 Is this making America safer?
00:21:18.000 We're going to lose our global world reserve currency status.
00:21:21.000 Why are we sending money to countries that hate us, for example?
00:21:25.000 We sent money for border security for Tunisia and other Middle Eastern countries.
00:21:30.000 We can't send border security for our own nation.
00:21:32.000 You know, just small, pretty important details like this.
00:21:35.000 But we are in a significantly damaged negotiating position because the sacred cow is the defense budget.
00:21:45.000 And it's not about defense.
00:21:47.000 It's about imperializing the world around an increasingly perverted, left-wing, radical, post-modern, post-structuralist view.
00:21:58.000 It's not about liberating people from tyranny or authoritarianism.
00:22:02.000 And the hilarity is that we are becoming more like the countries that we are trying to seek to liberate people from, even though we're not. 0.59
00:22:10.000 We're becoming more like the authoritarian Soviet Union. 0.59
00:22:14.000 We are becoming more like the Gestapo power-hungry Pullet Bureau that cracks down on dissidents.
00:22:21.000 And so I've lost my patience because I can't honestly deliver to you, an audience, a critique of this plan without telling you that the entire negotiation process was flawed from the outset.
00:22:33.000 It was not a good faith negotiation on behalf of Republicans.
00:22:37.000 And again, you might say, well, it's not good faith on Democrats.
00:22:39.000 We know who they are.
00:22:41.000 They're revolutionary Marxists that want the destruction of the country. 0.95
00:22:44.000 I want an opposition party that walks into the room and is willing to cut the GAE, the gay, the great American empire, so we can have a balanced budget. 0.96
00:22:54.000 We're not going to get anywhere until we call out that the inputs into the formula of the negotiation are significantly fraud. 0.99
00:23:03.000 Why is it that the deal is like, well, we could have got more here and we could have got more there?
00:23:07.000 For example, Lauren Bobert says, look, I think McCarthy did the best that he could to some extent, but we made it clear this would not continue.
00:23:15.000 Business as usual, just listen to this.
00:23:16.000 This is the vibe that I'm hearing from you.
00:23:18.000 But we have to be honest.
00:23:20.000 How did we get into that?
00:23:21.000 What happened in the negotiating room?
00:23:24.000 The answer is that we have this sword of Damocles hanging over us.
00:23:28.000 The globalists in the military-industrial complex had a silent seat at the negotiating table the entire time.
00:23:34.000 Can't touch that.
00:23:37.000 Can't touch that.
00:23:38.000 Because Lindsey Graham will lead a legislative insurrection against the bill. 1.00
00:23:42.000 Play cut 21.
00:23:43.000 As far as I'm concerned, I think McCarthy did the best that he could do to some extent with this deal, but we made it clear at the outset of this Congress that we would not continue business as usual here in Washington, D.C.
00:23:59.000 And so I was working on the phones yesterday, and I was just trying to get some clarity.
00:24:03.000 And some of the sources I have of people that were very, very close to the negotiation right in there, they were like, look, the conference is not going to put up with any defense cuts.
00:24:12.000 In fact, right now, Lindsey Graham's tweet, Lindsey Graham has come out and he is bashing this deal.
00:24:20.000 So if you don't like this deal, you're in agreement with Lindsey Graham, except he is the polar opposite.
00:24:25.000 So if you're the one, you're firing up Charlotte, doesn't cut enough spending, doesn't do this, doesn't that?
00:24:28.000 You know why Lindsey Graham has resorted to Twitter to say this is a bad deal, this falls short. 1.00
00:24:36.000 This is what he says.
00:24:37.000 He says, I'm going to use every lever in the Senate to amend this.
00:24:42.000 He says, I have total disgust for political leaders' decision to make it remotely possible to gut our national security apparatus at a time of great peril.
00:24:50.000 This guy is an alarmist.
00:24:52.000 This is the same playbook that is used during COVID.
00:24:55.000 You know, the sky is falling.
00:24:57.000 NATO's going to fall apart. 0.96
00:24:58.000 The Western order is going to collapse if the gay poem readers on Navy ships don't get every billion dollar they want. 0.99
00:25:04.000 You're trying to tell me there's no waste, fraud, or abuse in the Department of Defense. 0.98
00:25:08.000 You need this constant thing.
00:25:10.000 So Lindsey Graham goes out and he says, unfortunately, Speaker McCarthy have made this Biden defense budget, the Republican defense budget, with this disastrous deal.
00:25:20.000 Even though it increases military spending, Lindsey Graham says it does not increase it enough.
00:25:26.000 Let's get that clip you guys just sent in here.
00:25:29.000 So you have to realize all the different components here.
00:25:34.000 Let's go to another piece of tape here.
00:25:37.000 The Democrats are complaining it doesn't go far enough.
00:25:39.000 Play cut 13.
00:25:40.000 Number one, we need to stop drilling for fossil fuels completely.
00:25:45.000 But number two, we need an expedited way to get us to clean, renewable energy, or we will continue to have these severe weather events that we have been having for quite some time because of the warming of the planet.
00:25:59.000 You see, if you vote for the debt ceiling bill and if you cut any spending at all, weather is going to intensify and the world is going to end.
00:26:08.000 I, in particular, do not like the catastrophization, say that three times fast, of American politics, that everything's always going to collapse, that everything's always going to fall apart, that we're always sitting on some sort of fragile set of circumstances.
00:26:26.000 When you believe that you're under crisis and you are driven by emotion and not by reason, you tend to not make the best decisions.
00:26:34.000 I think we all know this in our personal lives, that if you think that things are falling apart and there's a nonstop fiasco and you're under complete and total collapse, then you're going to act in a frenetic fashion.
00:26:46.000 That's what Washington, D.C. always wants to create.
00:26:50.000 They want to create the conditions of a crisis, albeit 99% of the time manufactured, so that we do not think rationally or reasonably.
00:26:59.000 And the actual crises that are happening, like inflation and the southern border, they just completely ignore.
00:27:05.000 Like there's a crisis of terrorism against trans people.
00:27:08.000 Not a joke.
00:27:09.000 That's a real bulletin that the DHS sent out.
00:27:12.000 I want to go to this cut here.
00:27:14.000 MSNBC reporting on how House conservatives are criticizing this.
00:27:20.000 Let's play cut 15, please.
00:27:22.000 It calms us House conservatives are criticizing the bill, calling it, quote, the fiscal irresponsibility act and not a win for Republicans.
00:27:31.000 On the Senate side, Republicans Lindsey Graham and Mike Lee have vowed to impede the bill's passage over their own concerns.
00:27:40.000 And Texas Senator Ted Cruz called the legislation a quote blank check for Democrats.
00:27:45.000 Why didn't we get a better deal?
00:27:48.000 If you walk into a negotiation and one fourth of the anchor of your spending is a cow that you, sacred cow, you have to increase.
00:27:58.000 It's a third rail you can't mention.
00:28:00.000 It is the thought crime, then you're actually not negotiating.
00:28:04.000 They are not fulfilling the mandate.
00:28:06.000 You know, Lindsey Graham says on his Twitter, our nation's in great peril.
00:28:10.000 Yeah, you know why our nation's in great peril?
00:28:12.000 Because of our deficit spending.
00:28:14.000 You get a map of all the military bases around the world.
00:28:18.000 The mantra that made Donald Trump popular is America first.
00:28:22.000 And I don't think we should completely retreat from the world, but what is the reason that we need troops and bases in sub-Saharan Africa?
00:28:30.000 What is the argument there?
00:28:32.000 What is the argument that we need a perpetual military presence in the Middle East right now?
00:28:36.000 What is the argument that we need as many troops as we have in Europe or in South America?
00:28:41.000 What is the argument for that?
00:28:42.000 And if we're unwilling to touch that, then we are not actually the party of fiscal discipline.
00:28:47.000 Then it's all performative.
00:28:49.000 It's all just chatterboxing.
00:28:51.000 You can defend the homeland while balancing the budget.
00:28:54.000 But the moment that all of a sudden we say, well, these are completely off limits.
00:28:58.000 Military has to increase. 0.59
00:29:00.000 All roads lead to Ukraine.
00:29:02.000 We've told you that for quite some time. 0.59
00:29:03.000 It's more than just an intellectual exercise of whether or not Russia is bad or Ukraine's bad.
00:29:08.000 No, no, no, no.
00:29:09.000 This is a question of what matters the most.
00:29:11.000 And right now, military-industrial complex spending makes it so we can't even negotiate to get ourselves to a balanced budget.
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00:30:23.000 The U.S. military has 750 bases in at least 80 countries around the world.
00:30:29.000 750 military bases.
00:30:33.000 You know, we have four military bases in Spain.
00:30:37.000 We have two in Peru.
00:30:39.000 We have 119 bases in Deutschland, in Germany, 44 bases in Italy, seven bases in Australia, 120 in Japan.
00:30:51.000 And so part of this is because the neoliberal order that was created post-World War II was that we're going to defend the world.
00:31:00.000 We are going to defend the world.
00:31:03.000 And in exchange, you guys use the World Reserve's currency status and everything's just going to be terrific, fat, and happy.
00:31:10.000 The neoliberal order is collapsing.
00:31:13.000 Now, part of that is incredibly horrifying.
00:31:17.000 Part of it is actually promising because always be careful what you're going to replace with something.
00:31:22.000 We're not arsonists on this show. 0.62
00:31:23.000 I have a lot of problems with neoliberalism, but if you could replace a bad idea with a worse idea, if the Soviet Union taught us anything, it's like, okay, you don't like the czars.
00:31:34.000 They're not great, but Lenin is a lot worse.
00:31:37.000 And Stalin is worse than Lenin.
00:31:39.000 So be careful if you think you're in hell.
00:31:42.000 The depths of hell know no limitations when you're complaining.
00:31:47.000 So I'm not a fan of many elements in neoliberalism, but I fall short of just celebrating its demise for the sake of it.
00:31:55.000 But this is a fact.
00:31:56.000 This is a department of imperialism.
00:31:59.000 We need harsh fiscal discipline across the board.
00:32:01.000 But you know, I've been listening to podcasts and watching shows, and I just feel like this critique is incomplete.
00:32:07.000 The critique is incomplete because people are fired up.
00:32:09.000 They're angry.
00:32:10.000 They're, you know, they're furious.
00:32:12.000 They say, Charlie, I feel betrayed.
00:32:13.000 I'm never voting again and all this.
00:32:15.000 I say, okay, but again, you have a mass portion of the button.
00:32:18.000 And even right now, we got some emails of Charlie, I think the deal stinks, but we shouldn't touch defense spending.
00:32:24.000 You're part of the problem, honestly.
00:32:25.000 You are part of the problem.
00:32:27.000 If you think there is a sacred, if you think that the military is spending their money perfectly and precisely, we took away all of our negotiating strength right away from the drum, from the jump.
00:32:41.000 If we were really ready to tighten our belts in this negotiation, we should have entered and publicly said, Joe Biden, more important than money to Ukraine or gay poem readings on warships or Mark Milley's white rage seminars or Zoom calls about trans identity, there is not a single penny of the budget that is off limits.
00:33:01.000 Whoa.
00:33:02.000 That would have changed the entire negotiating.
00:33:05.000 We'll cut it all. 0.97
00:33:07.000 We will cut bases in Somalia. 0.99
00:33:10.000 We'll close our...
00:33:11.000 Why do we have a military base in Peru?
00:33:13.000 Can somebody just, I mean, I'm sure it's a really sweet country.
00:33:17.000 I've never been there.
00:33:18.000 I've actually never been to South America.
00:33:19.000 I'd love to go one day.
00:33:21.000 I believe the Incans were from Peru.
00:33:24.000 If I know my South American history well, I'm sure it's a sweet country.
00:33:28.000 Lima is the capital of Peru.
00:33:30.000 Why?
00:33:31.000 What is the geopolitical reason we have a base in Peru? 0.99
00:33:34.000 So if we would have entered this negotiation saying we are now a party of fiscal discipline, we will cut not just COVID emergency stuff, not just IRS agents, but yes, we will be willing to cut the gay, the great American empire. 0.94
00:33:49.000 Instead, we were unable to drive the hardest possible bargain. 0.90
00:33:56.000 And look, you could make an argument that Japan, Germany, and South Korea are strategic, but there's a lot of fat on that bone.
00:34:01.000 Again, I'm not like this radical isolationist, cut it all and do all this stuff.
00:34:07.000 But you have to be willing.
00:34:09.000 You have to be willing to call the bluff. 1.00
00:34:10.000 You have to be willing to be honest that when you have $880 billion and we're spending money to that uppity foreigner, Zelensky, in a t-shirt, like, oh, everything's fine. 1.00
00:34:20.000 It's sacred. 1.00
00:34:21.000 They act as if it's some sort of religious heresy to criticize the military-industrial complex.
00:34:28.000 And so, look, we're going to have a lot of guests on.
00:34:30.000 They're going to talk about how it's an underwhelming deal and all that. 0.67
00:34:32.000 But it's very important that you understand the negotiation was co-opted by a third person at that table, and that is the war machine.
00:34:42.000 An untouchable.
00:34:43.000 You cannot talk about it.
00:34:44.000 In fact, they get more money.
00:34:45.000 I mean, just a simple question.
00:34:47.000 We could have demanded a forensic audit of the Department of Defense.
00:34:49.000 We could have just got that out of it.
00:34:51.000 But the defense military machine controls so many of our politicians that we're never actually able to get to the meat of the issue.
00:35:01.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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