The Charlie Kirk Show - Debunking the Latest Conspiratorial Smear About Charlie's Death

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00:01:09.000 I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show, joined by Blake Neff and Alex Marlow.

00:01:14.000 Alex Marlow, of course, of Breitbart News and also host of the Alex Marlowe show, which we are going to have you tell us more about, Alex.

00:01:22.000 But first, we got to do a little addressing of a video that went viral this weekend.

00:01:30.000 And it's a video of Charlie's chief of staff.

00:01:33.000 We made the decision that we wanted to address this head-on because, you know, candidly, there's so much intrigue.

00:01:39.000 And I'm going to do a generous thing.

00:01:42.000 The intrigue is because people care about Charlie, okay?

00:01:45.000 So that part, I understand.

00:01:47.000 You're more generous than I'd be.

00:01:48.000 Yes, and that's fine.

00:01:50.000 And I am going to give you the floor here now, Blake, because you were there and you actually interacted with Mikey.

00:01:58.000 You were with Mikey.

00:02:01.000 You left the scene and then connected with Mikey.

00:02:05.000 So explain what the video is.

00:02:07.000 All right.

00:02:07.000 I'm not going to wallow in it at length, but people have it's gone viral and people have asked us to address it.

00:02:15.000 And we're going to do so briefly.

00:02:17.000 The video, without going way into it, is by, I can't even remember the guy's name.

00:02:21.000 Someone made a video that is attacking Mikey, Charlie's friend, Charlie's chief of staff, a guy all of us know, a guy who we've seen on the show here the last few weeks.

00:02:30.000 They are attacking him, claiming, based on a few seconds of clips, that he allegedly has like a nonchalant or calm reaction to Charlie's murder.

00:02:41.000 And I'm just going to be blunt about this.

00:02:42.000 This is a extremely disgusting attack.

00:02:45.000 And I can speak to that because I was there when it happened and I was next to Mikey when it happened.

00:02:51.000 And what I can say is, again, I can't say every single thing that happened, but I want to talk about this specific narrow thing.

00:02:59.000 That the shooting occurs.

00:03:01.000 I am next to Mikey.

00:03:02.000 Both of us hear a loud crack.

00:03:05.000 We both turn.

00:03:06.000 We both see Charlie who has been shot.

00:03:08.000 Both of us, I think at about the same time, realized that that means there is a shooter who is on the scene.

00:03:15.000 And, you know, you just hear the crack.

00:03:17.000 So you don't know, did it come from far away?

00:03:19.000 Did it come from close?

00:03:20.000 Is there a mass shooter unfolding right now?

00:03:22.000 So I and him both had the reaction of, let's get out of here before we are both shot.

00:03:28.000 That is not us abandoning Charlie.

00:03:30.000 Charlie had a security team.

00:03:31.000 They all leapt immediately into action and they got Charlie out of there, which was what their job was to do.

00:03:37.000 My job was not to get in the way and screw this up because I had to be a hero.

00:03:42.000 That was not my job. 0.97

00:03:43.000 I remember even running past, both of us going past the, you know, the SUV that we came in on and me thinking, should I get in that car and then thinking, no, that's a really stupid thing to do. 0.81

00:03:54.000 And then I kept going.

00:03:56.000 So I was not with Mikey immediately, or I don't remember being with him.

00:03:59.000 I think I was ahead of him as we left.

00:04:01.000 And then we get out and I run for must have can't have been more than 15 or 20 seconds.

00:04:07.000 And then I realize there hasn't been another shot.

00:04:09.000 So the shooter has likely been detained or stopped or something, not in immediate danger.

00:04:14.000 I pause, I look around me, and I see Mikey.

00:04:17.000 And I see Mikey there.

00:04:18.000 And I'll never, truthfully, I will never forget what I saw because I've seen Mikey almost every day for the past two years.

00:04:25.000 I know his personality very well.

00:04:26.000 He's a very bubbly guy.

00:04:28.000 He's a very happy guy almost all of the time.

00:04:31.000 And I'll never forget what I saw because it was clear in the moment that he was profoundly freaked out.

00:04:39.000 What I'll always remember is the way his lip was quivering, which I'd never seen before.

00:04:43.000 And you very rarely see from someone that he was freaking out.

00:04:47.000 And then I think he literally said to me, I might be imagining this, but I think what he literally said was he was looking around and then he says, I need to call Erica.

00:04:57.000 And then he takes his phone and he begins calling Erica.

00:05:02.000 And I don't want to disclose how that call unfolded, but he did that.

00:05:05.000 This, you know, your mind extends all of this, but that is happening within a minute of all of this occurring.

00:05:12.000 I remember he calls Erica.

00:05:14.000 I, around the same time, I pull out my phone and I call my mom just to say, mom, there's been a shooting.

00:05:19.000 You're going to see it on the news.

00:05:20.000 I'm okay.

00:05:21.000 You know, pray for me.

00:05:23.000 I've got to go.

00:05:23.000 And I remember that call.

00:05:25.000 And around the time, I put that phone away and then he immediately calls his dad.

00:05:29.000 He calls Robin McCoy.

00:05:31.000 And he says, Dad, someone shot Charlie.

00:05:34.000 You need to call all of your pastor friends.

00:05:36.000 Charlie was hit.

00:05:37.000 We need everyone to pray right now.

00:05:40.000 And that's what he told him.

00:05:43.000 And I guess it's just, it's very disgusting for me as someone who witnessed this, who saw Mikey hugely distressed and then step up in the moment because after that was called, that call was over, I saw Mikey get total mastery of himself that he realized he had to step up in this situation.

00:06:01.000 And he, from that point, he was like, he was like a general directing a battle where he was, you know, grabbing people and saying, okay, we need to get to the hospital and we need to do these things.

00:06:11.000 And you guys need to wait here.

00:06:13.000 I need to get in here to get information so that I can get it to get it to Erica.

00:06:17.000 And when we learned he was dead, he came out and he told us.

00:06:21.000 And then he says, and he says, now none of you can say anything that you've heard because it is Erica's not going to hear about this from anyone except me.

00:06:29.000 I've just been thrown into this 10 minutes ago, but there's a suggestion online that Mikey, Charlie's chief of staff, one of the most sincere people you'd ever meet, brilliant, Christian, kind, everyone he ever met in his entire life, couldn't hurt a fly, was part of a conspiracy to murder Charlie.

00:06:29.000 Can I ask a question?

00:06:46.000 That's what's going on.

00:06:47.000 It's vile.

00:06:48.000 It's utterly vile.

00:06:49.000 Who would do this?

00:06:50.000 What type of individual?

00:06:51.000 Just to create content, do we think?

00:06:52.000 Or is there some, what's the ulterior?

00:06:54.000 I don't know.

00:06:55.000 I think a lot of this mindset just sort of fuels itself.

00:07:00.000 It's sort of addictive in the same way a lot of social media stuff is addictive or in the way like, honestly, something like pornography is addictive or something.

00:07:08.000 Like they get really, they almost get a high off of like the idea of like that they're doing something that's daring or out there.

00:07:19.000 Yeah.

00:07:19.000 And I just want to I want to make one other point though.

00:07:22.000 And this is actually to your point.

00:07:25.000 You saw Mikey do heroic things that day.

00:07:28.000 I saw Mikey do heroic things.

00:07:30.000 I was not on site, but I immediately flew to Utah.

00:07:34.000 We got a plane.

00:07:35.000 I mean, it's not something that I'm used to, but it was like my wife went with me.

00:07:38.000 We went straight over.

00:07:39.000 I knew I needed to be with Erica and the team immediately just because, you know, I just knew.

00:07:45.000 But that moment when I got the news, I was so shell-shocked.

00:07:51.000 I was not even there, but I was immediately traumatized.

00:07:55.000 My brain fries like an egg.

00:07:58.000 I can't see straight.

00:07:59.000 I can't think straight.

00:08:00.000 All I knew is that like, what's happening?

00:08:03.000 My wife came in.

00:08:04.000 She like hugged me.

00:08:05.000 We started crying together.

00:08:07.000 And I can't even remember those moments very clearly.

00:08:11.000 I wasn't even there.

00:08:12.000 Mikey wasn't too scared.

00:08:14.000 Mike just talked about that.

00:08:16.000 And I asked him, I was like, do you even remember the moments after?

00:08:19.000 He's like, I can't.

00:08:20.000 I can't even really remember.

00:08:21.000 I know I called Erica.

00:08:23.000 I know I called my wife.

00:08:24.000 I know I called my dad.

00:08:25.000 I can't even really remember the steps I took.

00:08:28.000 I can't.

00:08:29.000 But here's the last thing I want to make a point of.

00:08:32.000 Because Charlie had given me similar instructions along the years.

00:08:35.000 He said, if anything ever happens to me, you call Erica.

00:08:38.000 That is just a shot.

00:08:39.000 He drilled that into Mikey's brain so that when this moment of trauma happened, that he turned around and he knew he had to do it.

00:08:47.000 And by the way, last thing, because this is part of the video allegations here, is that they think they're alleging that he was on the phone immediately.

00:08:55.000 He was not.

00:08:55.000 He was taking social videos, which he would send to our group chat, which we would then put on Charlie's social while the event was happening so you could see like the crowd come in or his interactions.

00:09:04.000 And we were only two questions into this event.

00:09:06.000 So he was still getting it out to all the chats he needed to do, which he did at every event.

00:09:11.000 He turns around and it was so blaringly loud, I'm told.

00:09:14.000 You would know this better than I, but this is what I'm told.

00:09:16.000 It was so blaringly loud.

00:09:17.000 And he was so shell-shocked.

00:09:18.000 put his fingers in his ear but his phone was still in his hand he walks away and he's not even not even walk i want it because Because people are talking about that.

00:09:27.000 The way it was is we had a cordoned off area with rates so you couldn't had controlled access.

00:09:33.000 All the people, when this happens, they all get the idea we should leave before we are shot.

00:09:38.000 And so there's a little narrow gap that I think people, it's not really walking.

00:09:42.000 It's that everyone has to slow up to get through this little narrow choke point to get out of the area.

00:09:48.000 Anyways, well, the point is he walks briskly.

00:09:50.000 I don't even care if he's walking, running, whatever, because, again, the most traumatic thing you could imagine had just happened to him.

00:09:59.000 My brain fried.

00:10:01.000 I cannot imagine what was going through your guys' head being on the scene and seeing it and knowing, again, the security guys are jumping in.

00:10:08.000 He turns, and he, like, I'm telling you, Mikey that day turned into a general on a field marshaling the troops going.

00:10:15.000 But like for a second there, obviously he didn't know what to do.

00:10:18.000 And then he clicked into gear eventually.

00:10:20.000 It was amazing.

00:10:21.000 Mikey was a heroic figure on that day.

00:10:24.000 And I just, I really want anyone who finds like these narratives attacking him to be remotely credible to really, really stop and think about what you are doing.

00:10:32.000 Because what you are doing is bad and it is gross and it is a choice.

00:10:36.000 And it's a choice you shouldn't make.

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00:11:43.000 Alex, why don't you give us a little teaser here of the show?

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00:11:53.000 Yeah, yeah, we're colleagues on the Salem Podcast Network.

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00:12:00.000 I also do some great interviews.

00:12:01.000 I think we did a deep dive with Scott Pressler last week, Andy No, Sander Sheehy.

00:12:06.000 It's a great place to break news, but also I give you what we're thinking about in the Breitbart newsroom every day.

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00:12:25.000 We have a good time.

00:12:25.000 Well, you know, before we get to this Venezuelan topic, I do think it's interesting that you, you know, you were hired by Andrew Breitbart.

00:12:34.000 Yeah.

00:12:34.000 He was young and vibrant and full of verve and life and he was a leader.

00:12:41.000 And then he died.

00:12:43.000 Yeah, by the way, no one on Twitter accused me of killing him, which is nice.

00:12:49.000 Yeah, well, that was sad.

00:12:51.000 I mean, if you want to chime in on that, because that's completely outrageous.

00:12:56.000 And it's sad that there's such a market for this content because it's completely, completely counterproductive to our shared goals of defeating the left, going after Mikey.

00:13:06.000 It's just wild.

00:13:07.000 Well, I know, and it's funny.

00:13:08.000 It occurred to me while we were talking about that.

00:13:10.000 It's like, you know, the political assassination and the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk, but it was an assassination.

00:13:17.000 It was the highest profile political assassination since the 60s in this country.

00:13:22.000 And what's really sad is that it's followed on the footsteps of it are the attempts by some, not by all.

00:13:28.000 I don't want to like overblow this, by the way.

00:13:30.000 I think the amount of love and the outpouring of support for the show, for Turning Point, for Erica, for all of us that have been around this has been tremendous.

00:13:39.000 Really, like you've seen the most beautiful part of humanity.

00:13:42.000 But we had a political assassination.

00:13:44.000 He happened to be one of my best friends, guy we spent every day with.

00:13:49.000 And so the sad part is, is that that assassination has led to the character assassination of some of the people closest to Charlie that loved him most, that he hand-selected in these roles because he trusted them.

00:14:01.000 And again, I try, like, and I, again, I try and be generous, Blake, because I do know that, like, we live in a certain era where we've learned to distrust the authorities.

00:14:13.000 And by the way, a lot of these authorities have earned our distrust, whether it be COVID or whatever.

00:14:20.000 And they do, Charlie was such a monumental figure, and this was such a public moment and such a tragedy that I know that essentially the world is grieving still, and the movement is grieving still.

00:14:33.000 And people want answers, and they want to get to the bottom of it.

00:14:36.000 And so I'm just trying to give grace for people.

00:14:40.000 And I disagree.

00:14:43.000 Listen, your voice is just important as mine, but there is like a combination here of understanding that people, there is the click chasers and the cloud chasers, I get that.

00:14:51.000 But there are people, and they message me that have legitimate questions and they have legitimate things.

00:14:56.000 This is not one of them.

00:14:58.000 Yeah.

00:14:59.000 What I want to emphasize is like it is, we have a moral, you have a moral responsibility to think things through seriously, to use your reason.

00:15:10.000 And a lot of really wild theorizing is a product of people being lazy in their thinking.

00:15:17.000 And it's very easy to be lazy about things where, you know, maybe it's not your own well-being on the line, where you're not really having to commit anything.

00:15:24.000 And you'll see that a lot, where people who have normal lives and can make normal decisions in their own life will believe truly wild things about stuff that's far away from them.

00:15:33.000 And I would encourage people who are buying to this truly deranged and hurtful stuff to think about that, to reasonably think.

00:15:41.000 Do you really think it is remotely reasonable or plausible that Charlie's best friends, his chief of staff, the co-hosts of his show, his wife, people on his, like people who he spent years with conspired in a vast thing to have him assassinated for Underpants Gnome's like weird reasoning?

00:16:00.000 Like there's no plausible reason for any of this.

00:16:03.000 And the answer is, of course, no.

00:16:05.000 None of that would make sense.

00:16:07.000 And that's obvious the moment you start to think about it.

00:16:10.000 Yeah.

00:16:10.000 Well, and here's the thing.

00:16:12.000 We were there.

00:16:12.000 We were, at least I wasn't there the day when it happened, but I've been around everything that's happened since.

00:16:19.000 And so we have seen it up close and personal, just seen how traumatized everybody is.

00:16:24.000 And we've been the ones embracing in these hugs filled with tears and everybody's grieving and everybody's shell-shocked.

00:16:32.000 And so you see it up close.

00:16:34.000 And so you don't have those suspicions.

00:16:36.000 I hope the internet didn't see any.

00:16:37.000 And I would just ask people to remember that because of this, even if they're just asking questions, there are a lot of unwell people out there who respond to this sort of thing by sending incredibly hurtful emails or showing up outside people's homes, doing incredibly gross behavior.

00:16:53.000 And some of those people are probably just generally unwell.

00:16:57.000 But you have to remember, unwell people are greatly influenced by the things they hear around them.

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00:17:07.000 They really are.

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00:18:19.000 All right, we got to get to this.

00:18:22.000 So we are, this is, you know, I would say, Blake, you are potentially the most passionate about this.

00:18:28.000 I personally do not believe we're about to go to war with Venezuela.

00:18:31.000 You maybe disagree, but we are bombing a lot of these boats.

00:18:37.000 And this is, we'll just let Kristen Welker give us the update.

00:18:41.000 This is clip 62.

00:18:42.000 Go ahead and play that.

00:18:44.000 The military has now launched 10 attacks, killing more than 40 people against these suspected drug smuggling boats, as you just referenced.

00:18:54.000 Is the United States at war with Venezuela, Mr. Secretary?

00:18:58.000 I have a big portfolio.

00:19:01.000 Defense is not one of them.

00:19:03.000 I think you'd have to ask our great Secretary of War, Pete Hicks.

00:19:08.000 What I can tell you is the president's committed to protecting you as citizens from the ravages of these drugs.

00:19:16.000 So now to be fair to you, Blake, here's Lindsey Graham. 0.93

00:19:20.000 Can I just say quickly, it just, I mean, how unbelievable is Scott Besson?

00:19:24.000 I mean, you could tell he's just a professor. 1.00

00:19:26.000 He's such a pro at talking to idiots. 1.00

00:19:30.000 This is the dumbest question I've ever heard. 1.00

00:19:32.000 I have no business answering it. 1.00

00:19:33.000 Let me give you a perfectly crisp answer and treat you as if you're a respectable person, which you're not.

00:19:38.000 It's just such an More than 40 people.

00:19:45.000 He did run on taking out drug deals.

00:19:48.000 But to give you a little credence to the argument here, this is Lindsey Graham talking about regime change in Venezuela.

00:19:55.000 Cut 78.

00:19:56.000 It is time for Maduro to go.

00:19:58.000 So I hope Maduro would leave peacefully, but I don't think he's going to stay around much longer.

00:20:06.000 Now, so, but to give some context to this, because it has been building up for a while.

00:20:10.000 So, yes, we're doing those airstrikes on, I guess I drugs, undrug boats, alleged drug boats.

00:20:17.000 And, you know, we've, you know, I remember, you know, we've expressed some concern about that, just in the sense, you have to acknowledge, if they mess that up even once and blow up innocent people, it's catastrophically bad.

00:20:28.000 Bad for America and, you know, bad just objectively, morally.

00:20:31.000 You shouldn't kill innocent people.

00:20:33.000 But there are signs we're building up to this.

00:20:36.000 So this week, one of our warships, the USS Gravely, which is a guided missile destroyer, it's in Trinidad and Tobago.

00:20:46.000 That is a small Caribbean island country.

00:20:48.000 If you look at it on a map, it's five to ten miles off the coast of Venezuela.

00:20:52.000 It's right next to it.

00:20:53.000 Throw up the map.

00:20:54.000 You can see how close it is.

00:20:56.000 It is just right next door.

00:20:57.000 So it's like sending troops to Kuwait before Iraq or something like that.

00:21:00.000 We've also, and this is the really big one, is we've deployed the USS Gerald Ford, one of our carriers, with its strike group.

00:21:07.000 So a full carrier strike group, the guys we normally have in the Persian Gulf off the coast of China.

00:21:13.000 We've deployed that carrier group to the Caribbean.

00:21:16.000 And if we're sending a carrier strike group to the Caribbean, there's basically only one thing it could be for, which is potential military action against basically either Venezuela or Cuba.

00:21:26.000 And it doesn't seem like we're about to do anything to Cuba.

00:21:28.000 All of our gestures have been against Venezuela.

00:21:31.000 Now, the justification for that, the Trump administration obviously has, we've labeled their government illegitimate.

00:21:37.000 It is an illegitimate government.

00:21:38.000 They have to fake elections.

00:21:40.000 They're authoritarian, bad in a million different ways.

00:21:43.000 They've also argued that it's the source of a lot of the fentanyl and other drugs that come into the United States.

00:21:48.000 And geopolitically, it's a regime that has cozied up to China, to Russia, to Iran.

00:21:55.000 It has built relationships with them, hostile to us.

00:21:58.000 And it has a ton of oil.

00:22:00.000 And, you know, Trump does like to just openly talk about seizing.

00:22:04.000 Yeah.

00:22:06.000 So it does seem like we are moving in that direction.

00:22:09.000 And I will say, you know, I don't have full access to whatever intelligence they have.

00:22:15.000 But much like it was with Iran where we talked about it.

00:22:18.000 And we were very fortunate the Iran one worked out. 1.00

00:22:22.000 Charlie's position, and I think our position shared, is America is a country we need to be focused on ourselves.

00:22:28.000 We have a lot of problems.

00:22:31.000 We've basically secured the border, but now we have that big task of getting the 10, 15, 20 million people illegally here out. 0.99

00:22:39.000 We have a lot of economic issues to fix because we were so addicted to illegal or just excessive migration.

00:22:46.000 We need robotics. 0.91

00:22:47.000 We have infrastructure issues.

00:22:49.000 We have social issues.

00:22:50.000 We have crime issues.

00:22:51.000 We have a lot of problems.

00:22:52.000 And repeatedly in the past 30 years, America has gone on foreign military ventures.

00:22:58.000 And I don't know that a single one of them in the long run seemed like a great idea.

00:23:04.000 Afghanistan looked great a month later, but it was a disaster 20 years later. 0.99

00:23:08.000 Iraq looked super easy in the first month, turned into a big mess. 1.00

00:23:13.000 Libya looked super easy the first month.

00:23:15.000 We overthrew that government, and what we got was a mess afterwards.

00:23:18.000 So could we overthrow Maduro?

00:23:20.000 I imagine we could overthrow Maduro in 10 minutes.

00:23:23.000 But what happens afterwards?

00:23:24.000 Do we end up having 2 million Venezuelans come into America as refugees?

00:23:28.000 Do we end up having to run this country?

00:23:31.000 So I understand our administration has a lot of valuable goals, including stopping all the drug smuggling.

00:23:37.000 But we have to make sure we don't sleepwalk into a war because we think it'll be really easy, I think.

00:23:43.000 So a few data points from me.

00:23:44.000 First of all, if Lindsey Graham is popping off, that's just cable news content that's punditry. 1.00

00:23:50.000 That doesn't really matter.

00:23:51.000 I know we always, you can't, he is a U.S. enter.

00:23:54.000 He's got power, and he hangs out in Mar-a-Lago a lot, but he doesn't count, I don't think.

00:23:59.000 And I don't think that there's a lot of stuff that there's a lot of data points that suggest we're not anywhere close to this.

00:24:05.000 First of all, why would we prioritize taking out Venezuela over the Mexican cartels?

00:24:10.000 If we're going to do something that dramatic in Latin America, I don't know if that would be the first pick.

00:24:14.000 But you would think that we would have troops in Gitmo, Panama, Ecuador.

00:24:18.000 Ecuador would love it if we were there because they have a huge gang problem. 0.53

00:24:21.000 So they would love to see a big American deployment there.

00:24:24.000 We're not seeing anything like that.

00:24:25.000 But overall, I think the point that would be really interesting, if we were committed to taking out Maduro, would we just pay him?

00:24:33.000 Because he seems like he would probably take the bag and leave if we were really determined.

00:24:38.000 And that doesn't solve your problem, Blake, which is reasonable.

00:24:40.000 Then do we have to rebuild Venezuela?

00:24:42.000 And what does that look like? 0.99

00:24:43.000 That sounds like a big pain in the butt. 0.97

00:24:45.000 But it does. 0.98

00:24:46.000 There is a bag big enough to get Maduro to stop.

00:24:48.000 I totally agree.

00:24:48.000 He would take the payday.

00:24:49.000 Let's go ahead.

00:24:50.000 This is Maduro is pleading no crazy war.

00:24:54.000 No quer guerra.

00:24:57.000 Cut 61.

00:24:58.000 Not worm.

00:24:59.000 Not warm.

00:25:00.000 Not worm.

00:25:02.000 Just peace.

00:25:05.000 Forever.

00:25:07.000 Peace forever.

00:25:10.000 No crazy worm.

00:25:12.000 No crazy war.

00:25:13.000 I thought that was all in it.

00:25:15.000 So then Trump is asked about this.

00:25:18.000 Let's go ahead and play Cut 80.

00:25:20.000 Why not just ask for a declaration of war?

00:25:22.000 Well, I don't think we're going to necessarily ask for a declaration of war. 0.98

00:25:26.000 I think we're just going to kill people that are bringing drugs into our country. 1.00

00:25:31.000 We're going to kill them. 1.00

00:25:31.000 Okay? 1.00

00:25:32.000 You know, they're going to be like dead. 0.93

00:25:35.000 So, okay, this is my.

00:25:36.000 You were actually the one that turned me on to this clip, Alex.

00:25:39.000 So this is my theory of why this is not going to lead to full-out war.

00:25:44.000 Now, I'm not saying Maduro won't get displaced.

00:25:46.000 Maybe it's a bag of money.

00:25:47.000 Maybe it's a threat, whatever.

00:25:48.000 He kind of goes into exile.

00:25:51.000 And by the way, playing in the back of my head is the fact that the opposition leader in Venezuela just dedicated her Nobel Peace Prize to President Trump.

00:25:58.000 So think about that as you're doing the calculus in your head. 0.96

00:26:01.000 But Trump has a fixation on killing drug dealers. 0.57

00:26:05.000 He goes over to Asia or Singapore and they treat drug crimes much more strictly. 0.84

00:26:11.000 He goes to Japan.

00:26:12.000 Japan treats drug crimes much more strictly, right?

00:26:15.000 So here's the thing: Trump wants to emulate those countries that he looks up to and believes that they treat drug dealers appropriately because he sees what's happening with fentanyl, where it kills hundreds of thousands of Americans over the last couple of years.

00:26:28.000 And he wants that kind of country. 0.98

00:26:30.000 He wants to say, if you're caught dealing deadly drugs to a young person, we're going to kill you dead. 0.99

00:26:37.000 We're going to put you into prison for a lot longer. 0.88

00:26:40.000 Because here's the thing: Trump believes that our drug, the way we prosecute drug offenses in this country is far too lenient. 0.98

00:26:48.000 So he thinks if I can just kill them in international waters, I never have to deal with them.

00:26:52.000 And by the way, it sends a strong deterrent message to the narco-traffickers that this is not going to be tolerated anymore. 0.97

00:26:59.000 And I think they're just putting resources in the region to better be able to detect smuggling and to kill those who end up doing it.

00:27:08.000 Now, the question is then raised, Alex, you brought it up.

00:27:10.000 Why not focus on Mexico?

00:27:12.000 I think it's a totally valid thing.

00:27:13.000 And I think we are in a bit of a rock and a hard place because Mexico is paying us lip service that they are getting serious about cracking down on drugs.

00:27:21.000 So to invade and launch an attack in Mexico is much more politically fraught, Alex.

00:27:26.000 You know who's a real villain here?

00:27:28.000 John Bolton.

00:27:29.000 John Bolton was tasked with the Venezuela policy in the first Trump administration, and he totally blew it.

00:27:34.000 So if he could have just done his job instead of just collecting data to tell all books, try to sabotage Trump.

00:27:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:41.000 Scrawling away in his journal.

00:27:42.000 He sat there with his cookie diet.

00:27:44.000 We never talk about this.

00:27:45.000 I got to say, Maduro, I think, went to the same Toastmaster school as AOC.

00:27:51.000 I felt like the same cadence for the speech.

00:27:54.000 But overall, it's just, do you believe Trump's peace-through strength approach is credible, where he does these sporadic bombings, he picks targets where it's sort of like an 80-20 is going to have approval of, well, do you really mind if he bombs a few drug dealers?

00:28:07.000 And most people are not going to.

00:28:09.000 And trying to kind of get people on that footing.

00:28:12.000 That's how he's always operated.

00:28:13.000 For me, he's been fully credible on this because we now have five years of foreign policy for him, and he's hit it out of the park every time.

00:28:19.000 But I understand if you're just really focused solely on we got to keep America out of foreign entanglements, you should be concerned every time. 0.70

00:28:27.000 That's a valid voice.

00:28:28.000 But so far, he's batting a thousand on these moves.

00:28:31.000 And so he's got a lot of leeway with me personally.

00:28:33.000 Yeah, I tend to agree.

00:28:35.000 Like, obviously, I do not want a ground invasion in Venezuela, okay? 0.97

00:28:38.000 But there are about 48 different options between boots on the ground, ground invasion, and Maduro no longer being in power in a really important country, actually, in a country that has forced a lot of immigration into states like Florida and New York.

00:28:53.000 I mean, there's a ton of Venezuelans in there.

00:28:55.000 And not only that, but regionally.

00:28:57.000 You have to think about the flip side of it.

00:28:59.000 Are we going to war because there's just 2 million Venezuelans in Florida and they're a lobby group? 1.00

00:29:03.000 No, no, no.

00:29:04.000 I'm just saying we don't have to go to war in order for something good to come out of this.

00:29:09.000 But namely, killing drug traffickers is probably, you know, like you said, probably an 80-20 issue.

00:29:14.000 But obviously, we are anti-foreign entanglements. 1.00

00:29:14.000 Okay. 1.00

00:29:17.000 I just want to say that.

00:29:18.000 Anti-foreign entanglements, but this is our hemisphere.

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00:30:39.000 So I'll actually address what you're saying.

00:30:41.000 I do not want to necessarily force regime change.

00:30:47.000 I tend to be on your side of this.

00:30:49.000 I want to focus on America.

00:30:51.000 But I'm also getting inside the psychology of President Trump, where he hates drugs, right?

00:30:56.000 He hates drugs and he wants to stop them.

00:30:58.000 And I believe that they have credible evidence to understand that there's a large amount that are actually coming through Venezuela, whether they're being trafficked up through Cuba or something as a go-between, as a way station.

00:31:09.000 But just Trump wants to get rid of this scourge in the Western Hemisphere.

00:31:14.000 Now, Lindsey Graham's going to poke him and prod him and push him forward. 1.00

00:31:18.000 And I think he's going to show restraint.

00:31:19.000 And I think that's what the message that we have to be sending both online and on shows like this is like, please, we do not want another foreign entanglement. 1.00

00:31:26.000 But I do believe there's about 40 different options here before we get to something that we would be like, you know, that would ruin his batting average, so to speak, Alex.

00:31:34.000 Yeah, I wanted to hear Blake flesh out his point about the Florida law because I think that's interesting.

00:31:38.000 And you got to keep an eye on that stuff.

00:31:39.000 Well, you know, you just, it's worth remembering that we have a very, very Floridian government.

00:31:47.000 You know, the State Department is, we've got Marco Rubio's Floridian.

00:31:51.000 President Trump's a Floridian.

00:31:55.000 There's a lot of people in the admin.

00:31:57.000 You know, we practically have a second White House in Mar-a-Lago.

00:31:59.000 There's just, we've been, and Florida is our most successful kind of large Republican state.

00:32:03.000 So we've just got a ton of big Florida personalities.

00:32:08.000 And that sort of shapes a lot of our policies because Florida has a large number of Venezuelans in it.

00:32:14.000 It also has a lot of Cubans, Cuban-Americans who similarly just have this, they care a lot about what goes on in Cuba.

00:32:20.000 They care a lot about what goes on in Venezuela.

00:32:21.000 There's a lot of South Americans in general in Florida.

00:32:24.000 Colombians, Ecuadorians, yeah.

00:32:26.000 And it's great.

00:32:26.000 They've given us a lot of support, but it does mean that it can shape our outlook, that they might really fixate on this particular issue that is less, that is less compelling to the rest of the country.

00:32:39.000 And it can just be what they marinate in.

00:32:42.000 The same way that people in D.C., you get a lot of our war hawk people because they just marinate in a pro-intervention, kind of pro-military, industrial, complex environment that makes them more inclined towards thinking, oh, yeah, we can solve our problems in the Middle East by dropping these bombs, by overthrowing this government.

00:33:00.000 And I think you have a good point that, yeah, Trump really despises the drug dealers.

00:33:05.000 He sees this Venezuelan government as linked to that.

00:33:08.000 And if he can remove it, he can mitigate the problem.

00:33:10.000 But I will remind everyone that nothing causes more drug smuggling to happen than pure anarchy.

00:33:16.000 We overthrew the Taliban, which had a little bit, which basically blew up all of the opium and heroin coming out of Afghanistan.

00:33:22.000 We took out Gaddafi, and then Libya became this endless supply of migrants sailing into Europe. 1.00

00:33:28.000 It remains to this day.

00:33:29.000 So if you pulverize the Venezuelan government, do you just end up where there's anarchy in Venezuela, so even more drugs are coming out of there?

00:33:37.000 Maybe you cause even more Venezuelans to flee the country, and then they end up in all these different places. 0.70

00:33:43.000 I want to keep building this out probably tomorrow with you, Alex and Blake.

00:33:48.000 There is something happening to the American psyche where we are seeing a bifurcation of what reality looks like for either side.

00:33:56.000 And I think it just depends on what algorithm you find yourself on.

00:34:01.000 And we saw this with what happened with Charlie, right?

00:34:04.000 It's like there is a certain percentage of the population that is really convinced of the most awful doomerism imaginable from the American left.

00:34:14.000 They see it, you know, on MSNBC, CNN, then it goes into Reddit, and then it goes into these Discord chats, and they literally think that they are fighting Nazis.

00:34:22.000 And there was a video that went viral over the weekend about an American liberal who's fleeing to Canada.

00:34:29.000 And this thing goes on for like five minutes.

00:34:31.000 This clip is just incredible.

00:34:34.000 And it just shows, it's this window into the psyche of the left that they really think that Trump is Hitler.

00:34:41.000 They really think that they're fighting fascism.

00:34:42.000 Play cut 54.

00:34:44.000 We are just literally minutes away from the border to Canada as we flee the U.S. Who would have thought at age 60 that this would be our day in our plan and in our actions?

00:35:02.000 We just feel so scrutinized and so silenced and so being portrayed as enemies within and being portrayed as domestic terrorists.

00:35:18.000 He hit the ground running in January, the day he was inaugurated.

00:35:23.000 So what's striking to me about this clip, right, is you remember that famous Joe Biden speech, Alex, where the red in the background, he's talking about MAGA extremists and the number one threat to America is these white supremacists.

00:35:36.000 So we were villainized and otherized and told that we were the existential threat to our country.

00:35:43.000 But yet this guy thinks that it's our side that's doing it to him.

00:35:47.000 Yeah.

00:35:48.000 What do you make of this?

00:35:49.000 Yeah, it's MSNBC brain or TikTok brain, whatever it is.

00:35:52.000 And it's very scary.

00:35:53.000 I had this conversation after Trump won with a friend of mine in the neighborhood who's Indian American and works in the arts.

00:35:59.000 And he was really concerned after Trump won that he wasn't going to be able to go downtown because he might get rounded up by ICE.

00:36:05.000 And that was his thought.

00:36:07.000 The guy pays a ton in taxes, has a clean criminal record, and is Indian.

00:36:11.000 And there's no evidence of Trump rounding up any American citizens who are law-abiding.

00:36:15.000 I mean, he's not doing that at all.

00:36:16.000 He's going after the bad guys who are criminals.

00:36:19.000 And then I thought about that a lot after Charlie was shot about how that guy was telling me I was, I'm the problem.

00:36:26.000 The guys I support are the problem.

00:36:27.000 We're the ones who are taking out the innocents. 0.68

00:36:30.000 And then you watch Charlie get gunned down for what he believed, what he stood for.

00:36:34.000 And so I have no tolerance for these people.

00:36:35.000 I hope he enjoys Canada.

00:36:37.000 I don't need him here.

00:36:38.000 He can say if he wants, but I don't care.

00:36:39.000 I don't think about these people a lot until you hear the TikTok clips.

00:36:42.000 But in a post-Charlie Kirk assassination world, we need a lot less tolerance, this type of language, and the disparaging of our country when it's the left that has this violent streak and they're the ones who are taking out our field generals.

00:36:53.000 Oh, I totally agree with that, by the way.

00:36:56.000 I mean, in a post-Charlie world, and by the way, every poll indicates that the left is the party, the side that is embracing violence.

00:37:04.000 Our side, actually, I'm so proud of this.

00:37:06.000 And I give Charlie so much credit for this, that the youngest conservatives, self-described conservatives, are basically the most peaceful group.

00:37:14.000 Yes.

00:37:14.000 They're the least likely to justify political violence to achieve a political end.

00:37:19.000 And that is a lot of credit to Charlie, who advocated and modeled open debate and dialogue and free speech.

00:37:27.000 And so our side is saying, hey, we want to win the old-fashioned way.

00:37:31.000 We want to win in the marketplace of ideas.

00:37:33.000 And it's the left that's actually continuing to otherize fascists.

00:37:39.000 Totally.

00:37:40.000 It's totally blackmail.

00:37:41.000 And by the way, he gets to the end of the clip and he goes, well, I'm just going to be here for two or three weeks.

00:37:46.000 So he's like, no courage of his conviction.

00:37:49.000 It's called a vacation.

00:37:50.000 You're not playing anything, you TikTok clip.

00:37:52.000 I'll just leave it at that.

00:37:53.000 I was going to say something nasty.

00:37:55.000 Blake, what's your take on this?

00:37:58.000 Man, it's just people really want to like, they almost want to live in more interesting times than they do, which is surprising because we live in pretty interesting times as this.

00:38:10.000 And frankly, it's weird to say, pretty entertaining.

00:38:13.000 Like, whatever else you want to say.

00:38:14.000 So Donald Trump is incredibly funny.

00:38:16.000 A lot of our politics is very wacky and entertaining, but they want to be like hyper-persecuted individuals.

00:38:22.000 I have a whole theory that like basically the entire left wants to act like they're marching in Selma.

00:38:27.000 You know, like they have one model in their head for how this works, and that's it.

00:38:31.000 And like those women who dress up in those handmade outfits, like they really, they're like, oh. 0.98

00:38:36.000 It's a fetish.

00:38:36.000 It's a total fetish.

00:38:38.000 Like, this is how they amuse themselves.

00:38:39.000 They pretend like they're cosplaying.

00:38:40.000 They're not the most important person they are.

00:38:41.000 They're cosplaying as like civil rights warriors.

00:38:43.000 Look at Mamdani, you know, coming in and just saying, like, oh, yeah, after 9-11, you know, we were just this incredibly persecuted group.

00:38:49.000 I know.

00:38:50.000 It's all made up.

00:38:50.000 It's all, Charlie used to say, it's like, whose line is it anywhere where the points are made up and the rules don't matter?

00:38:55.000 And that's what we're dealing with.

00:38:56.000 It must be so annoying in person.

00:38:57.000 They must have totally unfulfilling lives.

00:39:00.000 I think that's probably true.

The Charlie Kirk Show - October 28, 2025

Debunking the Latest Conspiratorial Smear About Charlie's Death

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