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00:02:45.000Yeah, I mean, look, right now, kind of, if we wanted just to lay out where we're at in the conservative movement, is that you have billions of dollars are going to be spent on presidential campaigns.
00:03:19.000So he's outsourcing it to major superpacks.
00:03:23.000They're focused on infrastructure, right?
00:03:25.000So all the PACs, all the C4s, all the soft money that exists in the left is doing this.
00:03:30.000And so this is really the quandary of the conservative movement for the future moving forward is understanding that the DNC has been subjugated to this infrastructure build that they've built over the last 20 years in the left.
00:03:43.000And on our side, when are we going to start doing that?
00:03:47.000Is it going to be four years from now?
00:04:34.000And in fact, we just lost a regional political director who was here based out of Arizona for years.
00:04:40.000He now just took over as campaign manager for Lauren Bobert's campaign.
00:04:44.000And they just replaced him with someone that's based out of Dallas, Texas, which I don't think is super helpful to Arizona and our key targets.
00:04:53.000So the new regional director is someone from Texas.
00:04:56.000Nothing wrong with Texas, but it took me five years just to figure out the difference between Maricopa and Pennsylvania.
00:05:01.000Yeah, we brought you out here and you learned quickly, but like you have to be here.
00:05:28.000So not just the administrative staff here, but our field staff full-time.
00:05:31.000You know, we do have people that are from the Heritage Action, some of these other C4, but they have like maybe one full-time staffer year-round.
00:05:37.000That's not enough for battleground states like Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin because what the Democrats and the left has figured out what Tyler brought up with the mechanics is that they outsource all of those responsibilities to people, the things that are not parties.
00:05:50.000They give their voter registration to 501c3s.
00:05:53.000They give their chase the votes, their get-out the vote efforts to the C4s.
00:05:56.000And so that's why they have been cleaning our clock in Arizona for a long time.
00:06:00.000But thankfully, at action, we take it very seriously that we are a year-round operation, 365 days a year.
00:06:06.000We're registering voters, recruiting precinct committeemen, taking back the infrastructure that is crucial to winning every race up and down the ballot.
00:06:13.000And so hopefully this is a starting point for other C4s to really watch action and see how we build things that are significant to winning elections.
00:06:21.000Well, and you tweeted about this yesterday, Charlie, which we talked about it was America Votes, right?
00:06:28.000It was terrifying when you said it on your show, but it's actually way worse.
00:06:32.000And you tweeted out about this yesterday, which is there's groups like America Votes that fund infrastructures of dozens, if not 50 plus, 100 plus organizations in these key target states on the left that have funded hundreds of millions of dollars into specifically ballot chasing and ballot identification.
00:07:56.000So the key piece that everyone has to be aware of is the left is investing to full-time people embedded in the community who are identifying voters, registering voters, and then chasing those voters down because they've built relationships with them over not months, not days, not weeks, but years.
00:08:15.000So in key target communities, they have a person that's assigned to 300 or 400 voters.
00:08:20.000You may not even realize it that someone's assigned to you if you're an independent.
00:08:24.000And they're building a relationship with you as a next door neighbor and they're influencing your vote.
00:08:29.000Everything that they're doing is influencing your vote.
00:09:26.000But $83 million was sitting in the bank following 2022 that they transferred into their PAC.
00:09:32.000And I don't know if that's the exact number, but it was tens of millions of dollars that were left over from 2022.
00:09:37.000That would have been really nice capital to use in 2022 to win in some of these places that we barely lost in.
00:09:43.000And again, I'm not blaming Ron because donors can give to whoever they want to give to, but the donor community and the donor class and our consultants that exist out there have to be smarter.
00:09:52.000And they have to say, we need to invest in these dollars now where it needs to go in order to win, not let it sit in the bank for the next election.
00:09:59.000And we're making some progress at turning point action, but I'll be honest, it's almost like trying to convince a senator that Russia is not our enemy.
00:10:34.000No, I mean, the gospel that we're preaching right now is that we have to be smart with every dollar that's spent, and it has to go into infrastructure.
00:10:40.000And those boxes have to be checked first before we get to the candidate box.
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00:12:23.000It's not really focused on a show or a podcast, but it's really a weekly update where we're going to take our staff because we have full-time staff.
00:12:30.000I think some of the biggest staff in these key target states, specifically Arizona, Wisconsin, and Georgia, where we are doing a 45-minute to an hour, hour and a half update every week of the in-depth what's going on in these states.
00:12:44.000So like you just said, like I'm shocked to learn that there's like not more of a party presence in Arizona.
00:12:49.000Yeah, I am too, because Arizona is arguably the most important state in order to win the presidency, you know, but nobody's talking about this stuff.
00:12:56.000So Austin and I starting next month, we're going to be launching it right before the Iowa State Fair, which is one of the biggest political events.
00:13:08.000The entire team will be out there for turning point action.
00:13:11.000And we'll be giving updates every single week that drops every Friday morning.
00:13:17.000And it's going to be called Swing State Update.
00:13:19.000So you're going to be able to find it right at the Turning Point Action, social media, online, and also at swingstate.org, swingstate.net, swingstateupdate.com.
00:16:16.000People who have fled from California go to Arizona, Georgia.
00:16:18.000So there's a demographic change there.
00:16:20.000But also in the other part of it, too, Charlie, is that the conservatives have taken over most of the party.
00:16:26.000And the establishment still controls a large portion of funding, election apparatus.
00:16:31.000And they've kind of lost all the footing that they had in some of these states and some of these places of influence and the conservatives to take it over.
00:16:36.000The conservative movement today is way more organized than what the Tea Party was in like 2010, 2012, but we're still missing the mechanisms for it for the complete success.
00:17:13.000So what this means on the national level is these individuals that Austin just pointed out are saying, don't give money to conservatives, right?
00:17:20.000And so at the national level, even just recently, and I was told this, I hope it's not true, is that a major donor told me that the national party chair said, we're not investing into Arizona because the establishment Rana said that.
00:17:34.000Yeah, Rana said that we're not investing in Arizona because the establishment has issues with conservatives.
00:17:41.000It's like, guys, that's not how we win.
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00:20:28.000Yeah, so in 2020, they went from in their 990, which for those of us at home, that's what has to be filed by nonprofit organizations with the IRS going through your revenues and expenses at a pretty high level.
00:20:59.000So that was effectively the 2021 year.
00:21:01.000So we know they spent more in 2022, which I don't believe we have the 990 that's accessible yet because they have to wait a year to release that or they can't wait a year to release that.
00:21:08.000So we will get that probably sometime this next year.
00:21:59.000I don't know if he wants to be public.
00:22:00.000We would give him all the credit in the world if I was confirmed that he wanted that, but did all the research in Michigan to identify every penny that got spent left or right.
00:22:18.000And in their research, they identified every dollar that went from these organizations to these other organizations.
00:22:25.000And in Michigan, there was, again, I think it was 34 organizations, similar number of Wisconsin, that were paid by America Votes to basically funnel money to these groups for ballot chasing.
00:22:39.000I mean, at the end of the day, their goal ultimately is, number one, register as many voters as possible.
00:22:45.000They know equation from an equation process.
00:22:47.000For every two people they register that are registered to vote early mail, one will turn in their ballot because they chase those ballots, and that's the equation.
00:22:58.000And then these groups all get transfers of millions of dollars to fund staffing on the ground, similar to what we do on our side.
00:23:06.000But it's instead of just one in states like we are right now or two or three, they have dozens.
00:23:12.000So this shows how malleable the left-wing cockroaches are.
00:23:17.000So I spoke at an event in the summer of 2017 called Politicon.
00:23:26.000And so it was incredibly disorganized.
00:23:29.000It was at the Pasadena convention or whatever.
00:23:32.000What's interesting, though, is that you get super right-wing activists and super left-wing activists, and they all are kind of there together.
00:23:38.000So I remember I was working my way through the line, and they were incredibly hostile, left-wing people.
00:23:51.000Why don't you speak out about it, right-wingers?
00:23:53.000You guys are corrupting our democracy.
00:23:55.000Now, that was 2017, where their number one issue was the flow of capital to quote unquote destroy America.
00:24:03.000Now, six years later, we are in the summer of 2023, six years later, and they're outspending the right 10 to one, right?
00:24:14.000So, they decided to stop complaining and just take it over and have their oligarchs basically run the country.
00:24:19.000So, what was happening in the background, Charlie, is like in 2016, all of the people on the left, kind of similar to what we're doing now, and this is even prior to this, 2014 to 2016, all the people on the left that were kind of in our position now were screaming, guys, we have to use this capital in a better way.
00:25:36.000And so we talk about this a lot at action.
00:25:37.000So, yeah, I'm in the House of Representatives here in Arizona, member of the Arizona Freedom Caucus, and we're fighting like tooth and nail to prevent that from happening.
00:25:44.000And what the left has done, they test the water in local races.
00:25:47.000So they know that there's a big Senate race coming up in Arizona.
00:25:50.000They know that there's a presidential election cycle.
00:26:06.000They want to attack members like Justine Wadsack in Pima County that's a state senator in a swing district.
00:26:11.000She's a conservative member, but they want to attack her on crazy gender ideology.
00:26:16.000So they're finding these niche issues and they're willing to spend a million dollars.
00:26:19.000We have missed that on our side of the aisle.
00:26:21.000We've missed that as conservatives that, you know, we need to go find $2 million and we need to prop up a Nancy Bartow in Georgia to help the presidential election.
00:26:28.000This is how Disappointment, I mean, there's an entire reporter, Jane Mayer, who wrote a whole book called Dark Money.
00:26:34.000And if you were to ask an everyday American uninformed who spends more money, right-wing, left-wing, they would think that conservatives have all this money.
00:26:42.000And there is, and I'm trying to warn people, there is a financial drought in the conservative movement, unlike anything we've ever seen.
00:27:11.000But the second part of this is, though, that the richest people in high society in Aspen, Sun Valley, Kenny Bunkport, Martha's Vineyard, they West Palm Beach.
00:27:23.000There's some amazing ones, and we're evidence of this.
00:27:25.000Attorney Point Action, Attorney Point USA, we raised close to $100 million, so we're not complaining, and we make every dollar stretch and spend.
00:27:31.000Let me tell you what, we do more than any other group times 10 combined.
00:27:53.000They want to make sure that they have say, but I mean, more importantly than this is there's a sense that people just kind of trusted the process for a long time.
00:28:04.000And what I mean by that is think about the Koch era, right?
00:28:25.000And now we have a lot of donors that have a really sour taste in their mouth because they realize, oh, maybe that one group doesn't have the best, my whole best interest at heart.
00:28:34.000And I'm not, again, this isn't an attack on Coke.
00:28:36.000Like, they're welcome to have whatever positions they want.
00:28:39.000It's just, it comes back to the point of the wasted money and wasted capital.
00:28:43.000You have to have donors in the know as much as your activists are in the know.
00:28:48.000And so understand, as we go populist and nationalist, we lose big business and we lose people that are adjacent to big business.
00:28:55.000So you lose like hedge fund billionaires.
00:28:57.000You lose that whole environment of capital that don't want to finance us anymore.
00:29:24.000And that's the big dividing gap, like Austin pointed out, between the donors of old, the corporate America, Coke-based centric donors of old, or what you're describing, versus like basically the America First.
00:29:38.000America First and traditional donor orthodoxy are incompatible.
00:29:42.000But here's the other part that I want to mention: is that the Democrats have signed a deal with the devil.
00:29:46.000It's not sustainable with corporate America and the woke stuff is their great alliance, right?
00:29:50.000Corporations, they just care about profit.
00:29:52.000They're like, yeah, sure, I'll give money to tranny surgeries and chemical castration.
00:29:55.000And they literally don't care as long as the activists keep their pressure off of them.
00:30:00.000But there's this third element that is rising up because even the smart corporate guys are like, yeah, I don't know if I want to keep on getting power to AOC.
00:30:07.000It's the Chamber of Commerce Cinema model, right?
00:30:10.000Which is to the left on social issues, center left on fiscal economic issues, but give big business what they want.
00:30:16.000Well, it's like the stock market, right?
00:30:18.000The stock market thrives off of consistency, right?
00:30:22.000The more predictable that the economy is going to be, the more predictable that society is going to be, the happier investors are and business owners are and corporate America is in general.
00:30:31.000So what's happening right now is that the left is chaos.
00:30:35.000The left is nonstop chaos with what they're doing on woke on their woke agenda, right?
00:30:40.000And we saw cities burning down and then corporate America was like, whoa, I didn't sign up for this.
00:30:45.000And they pulled back a little bit, not enough.
00:30:47.000But then they're like, oh, we're going to move from this to trans issues.
00:30:50.000And now they're like, whoa, even the wokeness in the corporations, it's not a sustainable model because leftists never build anything.
00:30:56.000So they're going to these companies and they're like, oh, wow, I can't believe we just gave everything over to these monsters and everything.
00:31:06.000But so the third party, so now they're like, now they're like, oh, wow, this is actually chaotic too.
00:31:11.000And so now they're starting to realize like, oh, that uniparty center, no labels, independent model, like the Kirsten Cinema model, that actually may not be the way.
00:31:35.000No Labels is a corporate Chamber of Commerce funded project to try to keep them have a seat at the table, which, by the way, No Labels might actually give the presidency to a Republican or Democrat.
00:31:45.000If anyone tells you what it's going to do, they don't know.
00:31:47.000The Democrats are freaking out more than Republicans.
00:31:49.000It is completely unpredictable, right?
00:31:51.000They could run No Labels in Utah and steal electoral votes from Republicans, or they could do it in Arizona, which almost assuredly hurts Democrats.
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00:33:26.000Anytime that you see Democrats upset about something, you know it's really bad for them, right?
00:33:31.000Because they have been told from now their top tier, top brass, this is like not good and they have to kill it.
00:33:37.000So right now we're seeing, and Austin can talk a little bit more about this because he's been following it in the legislature in particular, that a group of Democrats, largely people who support people like Kirsten Sinema, right?
00:33:49.000Even though Kirsten's probably not going to run as No Labels, are launching, they launched this political party.
00:33:55.000They got enough signatures for it to get on the ballot.
00:33:59.000So anyone can run under the No Labels party moniker in Arizona.
00:34:05.000So does that help Donald Trump or would that help Joe Biden?
00:34:08.000Certainly, I would think that based off the amount of freaking out by the left, but that this is predominantly Democrats and moderate Republicans who make up like less than 5% of the Republican Party.
00:34:20.000I mean, so it's a lot of Jeff Flake type, East Valley, LGBTQ.
00:34:26.000Well, like Paradise Valley soccer mom types that might vote for Kimberly Yee, but that's not.
00:34:32.000You're going to get like a weird pseudo-type Democrat from like Pima County that's like, the Democrats are not radical enough or they're too radical.
00:34:40.000And so I want to be with the Labels Party.
00:34:41.000And so there's like four or five Democrat legislators in Arizona that have come out in support of it, that have been to an event under their Democrat in the legislature, have come out there in support of it.
00:34:50.000And one of them is in a swing district here in Arizona that should have been a Republican in it.
00:34:56.000This could be our saving grace, guys, because if anyone can properly map out three candidates in a presidential race, they're lying to you.
00:35:03.000It adds an unpredictable element like Ross Perot in 1992 and 96.
00:35:08.000I mean, for example, if Romney were to be the No Labels candidate in Utah, that could be confusing.
00:35:13.000But having Romney as the No Labels candidate in Arizona would be amazing.
00:35:28.000Well, let me lay out what could happen in Arizona.
00:35:30.000So in Arizona, in the Senate race alone, if Kirsten decides not, Kirsten Sinema decides not to run as no labels, she runs as just a pure independent or party not defined or determined.
00:35:41.000And then there is a no labels candidate.
00:35:43.000We could have potentially four candidates, three intermediar parties, one as a current sitting senator.
00:36:13.000It actually might hurt Trump because a lot of Trump's base, I think, actually is sympathetic there.
00:36:17.000However, Cornell West, I'm telling you, don't sleep on this guy.
00:36:20.000If you want to talk about like articulate black nationalism, which is a message that can resonate in Milwaukee and Atlanta, Cornell West, watch this right here.
00:36:31.000Well, I mean, one, I would have followed George Kennan.
00:36:34.000I would have abolished NATO right after the collapse of the Soviet Empire.
00:36:38.000And I would have tried to welcome Russia into the nation, the community of nations rather than trying to push them against the wall.
00:36:46.000We know that their system of repression and domination is one in which they're going to feel as if their backs are against the wall.
00:36:52.000And I think you would probably agree that if Russia or China had missiles in Canada or Mexico targeting Washington, D.C., U.S. government would blow them to smithereens.
00:37:21.000I tell people on our side all the time in the Republican Party, look, the Republican Party is the last saving grace to the last saving grace in the world, right?