The Charlie Kirk Show - Deconstructing How the Left Wins with Tyler Bowyer and Austin Smith

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00:00:01.000 Tyler Boyer and Austin Smith join us to talk about a new podcast that they are launching.

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00:02:05.000 Really important hour.

00:02:06.000 It's kind of a little bit of a teaser of a new show that's coming out that produced by Turning Point Action, right?

00:02:11.000 Yep.

00:02:12.000 And it will be a weekly RNC grassroots state party update show.

00:02:16.000 We have Tyler Boyer and Austin Smith with us, the Turning Point Action Bros that do a great job at Turning Point Action.

00:02:23.000 Welcome, guys.

00:02:24.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:02:24.000 Happy to be here, Charlie.

00:02:25.000 So there's a lot we want to discuss.

00:02:27.000 And then there's also just kind of allowing the conversation to flow.

00:02:30.000 But Tyler, let's set the table.

00:02:34.000 Are the investments being made in 2024?

00:02:38.000 What do you see from the RNC perspective?

00:02:40.000 This primary, is it going to be a billion-dollar primary?

00:02:43.000 We haven't had you on for a little bit.

00:02:44.000 What's going on?

00:02:45.000 Yeah, I mean, look, right now, kind of, if we wanted just to lay out where we're at in the conservative movement, is that you have billions of dollars are going to be spent on presidential campaigns.

00:02:57.000 Well over a billion dollars, right?

00:02:59.000 So on presidential campaigns alone, right?

00:03:02.000 There's very little money that's being invested into infrastructure.

00:03:06.000 And the left is doing the opposite.

00:03:08.000 So the left is spending all of its money on infrastructure and very little money on campaigns.

00:03:11.000 In fact, it's been noted, you know, where's Joe Biden in the DNC on his campaign for president?

00:03:17.000 There was an article yesterday about this.

00:03:18.000 Zero, right?

00:03:19.000 So he's outsourcing it to major superpacks.

00:03:23.000 They're focused on infrastructure, right?

00:03:25.000 So all the PACs, all the C4s, all the soft money that exists in the left is doing this.

00:03:30.000 And so this is really the quandary of the conservative movement for the future moving forward is understanding that the DNC has been subjugated to this infrastructure build that they've built over the last 20 years in the left.

00:03:43.000 And on our side, when are we going to start doing that?

00:03:47.000 Is it going to be four years from now?

00:03:48.000 Is it going to be today?

00:03:50.000 If ever.

00:03:52.000 If ever.

00:03:53.000 Well, I mean, we're doing it, right?

00:03:54.000 So we're spreading the gospel, which is like, hey, this is what you have to do in order to win.

00:03:59.000 And in the states that we are, I mean, turning point action is in all the key target states.

00:04:03.000 We have more staff than any C4 that I know of, more than the RC has full-time staff right now in these key target states.

00:04:10.000 So we're talking Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia, Iowa, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Nevada, Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Pennsylvania.

00:04:20.000 So this is where we're investing into.

00:04:23.000 And we're just one group.

00:04:24.000 There should be 100 of us doing that.

00:04:26.000 So I also have a couple questions.

00:04:26.000 But there isn't.

00:04:28.000 How many full-time staff does the RNC have in Arizona?

00:04:32.000 Right now, zero.

00:04:34.000 And in fact, we just lost a regional political director who was here based out of Arizona for years.

00:04:40.000 He now just took over as campaign manager for Lauren Bobert's campaign.

00:04:44.000 And they just replaced him with someone that's based out of Dallas, Texas, which I don't think is super helpful to Arizona and our key targets.

00:04:53.000 So the new regional director is someone from Texas.

00:04:56.000 Nothing wrong with Texas, but it took me five years just to figure out the difference between Maricopa and Pennsylvania.

00:05:01.000 Yeah, we brought you out here and you learned quickly, but like you have to be here.

00:05:05.000 Right.

00:05:05.000 You got to live where you're turning.

00:05:06.000 You got to be here.

00:05:07.000 So Austin, zero RNC staffers.

00:05:10.000 If you were to kind of say, okay, there's all these outside groups, hundreds of millions of dollars raised, we can name them.

00:05:16.000 How many full-time staffers does the conservative movement have politically in Arizona?

00:05:20.000 You know, look, just turning point action alone, we have, you know, seven, eight staffers full-time just here in Arizona dedicated a lot.

00:05:27.000 Including the admin staff.

00:05:28.000 So not just the administrative staff here, but our field staff full-time.

00:05:31.000 You know, we do have people that are from the Heritage Action, some of these other C4, but they have like maybe one full-time staffer year-round.

00:05:37.000 That's not enough for battleground states like Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin because what the Democrats and the left has figured out what Tyler brought up with the mechanics is that they outsource all of those responsibilities to people, the things that are not parties.

00:05:50.000 They give their voter registration to 501c3s. 0.76

00:05:53.000 They give their chase the votes, their get-out the vote efforts to the C4s. 0.99

00:05:56.000 And so that's why they have been cleaning our clock in Arizona for a long time. 0.84

00:06:00.000 But thankfully, at action, we take it very seriously that we are a year-round operation, 365 days a year.

00:06:06.000 We're registering voters, recruiting precinct committeemen, taking back the infrastructure that is crucial to winning every race up and down the ballot.

00:06:13.000 And so hopefully this is a starting point for other C4s to really watch action and see how we build things that are significant to winning elections.

00:06:21.000 Well, and you tweeted about this yesterday, Charlie, which we talked about it was America Votes, right? 0.90

00:06:24.000 So we talked about America Votes.

00:06:27.000 Actually, kind of undersold it.

00:06:28.000 It was terrifying when you said it on your show, but it's actually way worse.

00:06:32.000 And you tweeted out about this yesterday, which is there's groups like America Votes that fund infrastructures of dozens, if not 50 plus, 100 plus organizations in these key target states on the left that have funded hundreds of millions of dollars into specifically ballot chasing and ballot identification.

00:06:51.000 What does that mean?

00:06:52.000 That's get out the vote operations that are focused on the end goal of getting ballots in the door, in the mailbox, into the ballot box.

00:07:00.000 And really, that's the key difference, right?

00:07:02.000 What Austin's saying is like, we're trying to lead by example, right?

00:07:05.000 We feel like we're doing our part.

00:07:07.000 We want to do more.

00:07:08.000 We want to raise money so we can immediately reinvest it into the community with more boots on the ground.

00:07:14.000 But the left has hundreds of people, if not thousands of people, in these key target states that are full-time employees.

00:07:20.000 Right now, turning point action is, to my knowledge, what we're doing is the biggest.

00:07:25.000 And we're talking, we only have right now, seven, eight, a dozen people in Arizona.

00:07:30.000 And we want to hire now for the ballot chase.

00:07:32.000 Our goal is to hire hundreds, but it takes that.

00:07:35.000 So let me ask you: 40 million, if you had a four, if we had turning point action at a $40 million cash infusion, what would that mean?

00:07:44.000 So it's what we're doing.

00:07:45.000 It's what we're pitching right now as you do.

00:07:48.000 I'm asking for a reason because there's a headline.

00:07:49.000 I want to connect the two together.

00:07:51.000 So it would be ballot chasers.

00:07:53.000 It would be more voter.

00:07:55.000 Almost immediately.

00:07:56.000 So the key piece that everyone has to be aware of is the left is investing to full-time people embedded in the community who are identifying voters, registering voters, and then chasing those voters down because they've built relationships with them over not months, not days, not weeks, but years.

00:08:15.000 So in key target communities, they have a person that's assigned to 300 or 400 voters.

00:08:20.000 You may not even realize it that someone's assigned to you if you're an independent.

00:08:24.000 And they're building a relationship with you as a next door neighbor and they're influencing your vote.

00:08:29.000 Everything that they're doing is influencing your vote.

00:08:32.000 So that's what we need to be doing.

00:08:33.000 We have to put in the full-time people embedded into these communities.

00:08:38.000 So it's not just for two months out of the year or out of the cycle, not a year, but full-time that people are going, I know your family.

00:08:46.000 You can trust me when I tell you that, you know, Blake Masters is a better option to market.

00:08:52.000 So I'm just flipping through some stuff here that I think is instructive, right?

00:08:56.000 So Tim Scott's super PAC is planning a $40 million ad campaign next week.

00:09:02.000 Waste of money.

00:09:03.000 And then Ron DeSantis' super PAC, Never Back Down, is sitting on $147 million.

00:09:11.000 Which most was transferred from $83 million was transferred.

00:09:14.000 From the state that was, again, let me remind everyone here.

00:09:20.000 And again, this isn't, I'm not trying to indict, you know, Ron's team or anyone else's team.

00:09:24.000 This is everybody, right?

00:09:26.000 But $83 million was sitting in the bank following 2022 that they transferred into their PAC.

00:09:32.000 And I don't know if that's the exact number, but it was tens of millions of dollars that were left over from 2022.

00:09:37.000 That would have been really nice capital to use in 2022 to win in some of these places that we barely lost in.

00:09:43.000 And again, I'm not blaming Ron because donors can give to whoever they want to give to, but the donor community and the donor class and our consultants that exist out there have to be smarter.

00:09:52.000 And they have to say, we need to invest in these dollars now where it needs to go in order to win, not let it sit in the bank for the next election.

00:09:59.000 And we're making some progress at turning point action, but I'll be honest, it's almost like trying to convince a senator that Russia is not our enemy.

00:10:09.000 It's like they just can't process it.

00:10:11.000 They're like, no, Russia's always, I mean, no, no, like infrastructure in elections matters more than candidate selection.

00:10:19.000 They're like, no, no, candidate selection is everything.

00:10:21.000 No, no, no.

00:10:22.000 And I mean, the Democrats have known this.

00:10:23.000 And this is why I'm very blunt.

00:10:25.000 I said it from stage.

00:10:26.000 We're on pace to lose in 2024 unless something dramatically changes.

00:10:30.000 Is that an unfair thing to say, Tyler?

00:10:31.000 Not trying to be negative.

00:10:34.000 No, I mean, the gospel that we're preaching right now is that we have to be smart with every dollar that's spent, and it has to go into infrastructure.

00:10:40.000 And those boxes have to be checked first before we get to the candidate box.

00:10:44.000 And it's not happening.

00:10:46.000 So not to pick on them unfairly, but I just want to make sure everyone understands the RNC is an $800 million operation.

00:10:53.000 They have zero full-time staff in Arizona.

00:10:55.000 As of this current moment, but they're not sitting on $800 million right now.

00:10:59.000 Well, that's what they raise per cycle. 0.95

00:11:01.000 So maybe that's not what they're going to raise, but I'm told they're not on pace to raise that cycle.

00:11:06.000 I don't think so.

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00:12:17.000 Tyler, tell us about what you guys are going to be doing on the podcast.

00:12:20.000 So we're doing a, it's really an update.

00:12:22.000 We're calling it an update.

00:12:23.000 It's not really focused on a show or a podcast, but it's really a weekly update where we're going to take our staff because we have full-time staff.

00:12:30.000 I think some of the biggest staff in these key target states, specifically Arizona, Wisconsin, and Georgia, where we are doing a 45-minute to an hour, hour and a half update every week of the in-depth what's going on in these states.

00:12:44.000 So like you just said, like I'm shocked to learn that there's like not more of a party presence in Arizona.

00:12:49.000 Yeah, I am too, because Arizona is arguably the most important state in order to win the presidency, you know, but nobody's talking about this stuff.

00:12:56.000 So Austin and I starting next month, we're going to be launching it right before the Iowa State Fair, which is one of the biggest political events.

00:13:05.000 We'll be out.

00:13:06.000 We'll be having a lot of fun.

00:13:08.000 The entire team will be out there for turning point action.

00:13:11.000 And we'll be giving updates every single week that drops every Friday morning.

00:13:17.000 And it's going to be called Swing State Update.

00:13:19.000 So you're going to be able to find it right at the Turning Point Action, social media, online, and also at swingstate.org, swingstate.net, swingstateupdate.com.

00:13:31.000 Can't wait for it.

00:13:32.000 So just to make sure, I just want to make sure you try to understand.

00:13:35.000 So zero staffers in Arizona.

00:13:37.000 How many staffers does the RNC have in Wisconsin or Georgia?

00:13:39.000 So that's a questionable number.

00:13:41.000 They just announced something yesterday about the ballot early voting stuff that they were wanting to do and make an investment.

00:13:49.000 The RC has no choice but to make a significant investment in Wisconsin because the convention's there next year.

00:13:54.000 So, you know.

00:13:55.000 And a lot of their donors are there too.

00:13:57.000 To date, they haven't had really any presence.

00:14:01.000 And this is the same argument that we've heard from Georgia.

00:14:03.000 We had the Georgia state officials down at Atcon with us, the new state party chair.

00:14:08.000 And there just hasn't been enough.

00:14:09.000 And part of the reason is, and I want to make this very clear, the RNC is not well capitalized right now.

00:14:15.000 Is that public or that will soon be public?

00:14:18.000 I don't know.

00:14:18.000 It's not we're hearing whispers.

00:14:21.000 They have to file reports that you can look up yourself, but they're not in good shape, right?

00:14:25.000 So, and that's understand.

00:14:27.000 This is the first three months that the six months the RNC has not been able to use Trump's name to fundraise.

00:14:34.000 This is the first time because they can't because he's a committed candidate.

00:14:36.000 So they can't do that.

00:14:38.000 So they're not raising a ton of money, which is not putting us in a good position heading into next year.

00:14:43.000 And this should just be an open conversation that we have.

00:14:45.000 This isn't secret, right?

00:14:47.000 This isn't secret.

00:14:48.000 This is, guys, we need to get the boots on the ground and position the people.

00:14:52.000 So that's rent capital.

00:14:53.000 Before we went to break, you start going through all the investments that people are making through campaigns and everything else.

00:14:58.000 I mean, we could read through each of these.

00:15:00.000 I got one right here.

00:15:01.000 So Coke Network pledges $100 million against Donald Trump.

00:15:04.000 So they're spending $100 million, not in Arizona, not in Georgia, not in Wisconsin.

00:15:10.000 To run ads against Trump.

00:15:12.000 They're spending it where?

00:15:13.000 In Iowa.

00:15:14.000 Iowa.

00:15:14.000 New Hampshire.

00:15:15.000 Yes, South Carolina Dev.

00:15:16.000 Yes, they could bring down the favorables of the eventual nominee.

00:15:19.000 So they're actually hurting us in places that we possibly could win, like New Hampshire or Nevada.

00:15:24.000 Or even hurting us in South Carolina, right?

00:15:27.000 Where we have now like, what, like three or four presidential candidates?

00:15:31.000 At least two, right?

00:15:32.000 So like this is a real situation that we have where we are not spending dollars effectively in the conservative movement.

00:15:32.000 Yep.

00:15:41.000 The left is spending every dollar on infrastructure.

00:15:45.000 So Austin, we're trying to remedy this at turning point action.

00:15:48.000 This is not overly complicated.

00:15:50.000 Why is the Republican establishment so hostile to the idea of hiring full-time people on the ground to do the boring but necessary work?

00:15:58.000 Well, look, part of it, I think, is because most, not all, not like Tyler.

00:16:02.000 Linklin, we do have good people at the RNC that are ringing the alarm bell and saying, hey, guys, we need to refocus our priorities here.

00:16:08.000 But it's not 2008 anymore in Arizona.

00:16:11.000 It's not.

00:16:11.000 We've had an entire demographic change in some of these places.

00:16:14.000 Georgia is another example.

00:16:16.000 People who have fled from California go to Arizona, Georgia.

00:16:18.000 So there's a demographic change there.

00:16:20.000 But also in the other part of it, too, Charlie, is that the conservatives have taken over most of the party.

00:16:26.000 And the establishment still controls a large portion of funding, election apparatus.

00:16:31.000 And they've kind of lost all the footing that they had in some of these states and some of these places of influence and the conservatives to take it over.

00:16:36.000 The conservative movement today is way more organized than what the Tea Party was in like 2010, 2012, but we're still missing the mechanisms for it for the complete success.

00:16:46.000 Arizona is a perfect example.

00:16:47.000 Doug Ducey being the governor from here.

00:16:49.000 The Koch brothers used to have a lot of influence in Arizona.

00:16:52.000 Obviously, the McCain machine here in Arizona as well.

00:16:54.000 That's pretty much all irrelevant now, but they still have just a little bit of the financial resources that we need.

00:17:01.000 And the RNC is the same exact way.

00:17:02.000 The RGA, the NRSC, the Mitch McConnell has already said he's not going to dump money into Arizona if a MAGA type candidate is the same.

00:17:09.000 It's an abandonment of Arizona.

00:17:11.000 Well, they're sour grapes, right?

00:17:12.000 Taking their ball and going home.

00:17:12.000 Yeah.

00:17:13.000 So what this means on the national level is these individuals that Austin just pointed out are saying, don't give money to conservatives, right?

00:17:20.000 And so at the national level, even just recently, and I was told this, I hope it's not true, is that a major donor told me that the national party chair said, we're not investing into Arizona because the establishment Rana said that.

00:17:34.000 Yeah, Rana said that we're not investing in Arizona because the establishment has issues with conservatives.

00:17:41.000 It's like, guys, that's not how we win.

00:17:42.000 That's not the job.

00:17:43.000 The job is to bring people together and work together.

00:17:45.000 We're sacrificing for the country because you lost the primary.

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00:20:14.000 How much money does America Votes have? 0.97

00:20:17.000 I got my numbers a little bit mixed up yesterday.

00:20:21.000 This is just one single 501c4 from the outside that the Democrats are relying upon.

00:20:26.000 How big are they, Tyler?

00:20:28.000 Yeah, so in 2020, they went from in their 990, which for those of us at home, that's what has to be filed by nonprofit organizations with the IRS going through your revenues and expenses at a pretty high level.

00:20:43.000 So it doesn't get into the weeds.

00:20:44.000 It's all private donations, right?

00:20:46.000 And it's private expenditures, but you can see some things that you have to report to the IRS.

00:20:51.000 And they went from about $20 million to $250 million in one year.

00:20:57.000 And that was in 2020, 2021.

00:20:59.000 So that was effectively the 2021 year.

00:21:01.000 So we know they spent more in 2022, which I don't believe we have the 990 that's accessible yet because they have to wait a year to release that or they can't wait a year to release that.

00:21:08.000 So we will get that probably sometime this next year.

00:21:10.000 My guess is we could request it.

00:21:12.000 We should email them as a citizen.

00:21:12.000 We should.

00:21:14.000 It could be not filed yet.

00:21:16.000 They can also pay to delay it right now.

00:21:18.000 So they may never make it accessible.

00:21:20.000 I wouldn't make it accessible if I was them.

00:21:22.000 Eventually it has to go right.

00:21:24.000 It'll come out at some point.

00:21:25.000 Someone will get it.

00:21:26.000 But my guess is they probably spent more.

00:21:28.000 So it's probably in the ballpark of 350 to 400 million.

00:21:31.000 And my guess is in 2024, they're going to be a half billion dollar organization.

00:21:34.000 This is just one group.

00:21:35.000 So there's another one too.

00:21:35.000 This is one group.

00:21:37.000 One group.

00:21:38.000 There's another one that I talked about.

00:21:39.000 Or is this the big one that also does like voter registration, all this?

00:21:42.000 But what's interesting, I want to just list this off.

00:21:44.000 They have 34 alliance organizations.

00:21:49.000 So it's not just their $250 million Goliath.

00:21:52.000 It's the 34 other organizations under the hood.

00:21:55.000 So we have a really great friend who did a significant amount of research.

00:21:55.000 Yeah.

00:21:59.000 I don't know if he wants to be public.

00:22:00.000 We would give him all the credit in the world if I was confirmed that he wanted that, but did all the research in Michigan to identify every penny that got spent left or right.

00:22:11.000 This is nonprofits.

00:22:14.000 This is campaigns.

00:22:15.000 This is PAX.

00:22:15.000 This is everything, right?

00:22:17.000 The party, everything.

00:22:18.000 And in their research, they identified every dollar that went from these organizations to these other organizations.

00:22:25.000 And in Michigan, there was, again, I think it was 34 organizations, similar number of Wisconsin, that were paid by America Votes to basically funnel money to these groups for ballot chasing.

00:22:39.000 I mean, at the end of the day, their goal ultimately is, number one, register as many voters as possible.

00:22:45.000 They know equation from an equation process.

00:22:47.000 For every two people they register that are registered to vote early mail, one will turn in their ballot because they chase those ballots, and that's the equation.

00:22:58.000 And then these groups all get transfers of millions of dollars to fund staffing on the ground, similar to what we do on our side.

00:23:06.000 But it's instead of just one in states like we are right now or two or three, they have dozens. 0.59

00:23:12.000 So this shows how malleable the left-wing cockroaches are.

00:23:17.000 So I spoke at an event in the summer of 2017 called Politicon. 0.95

00:23:20.000 You guys have heard it.

00:23:21.000 I debated Hassan Piker, not the one where I streamed at Chank Younger. 0.89

00:23:25.000 This was the first one.

00:23:26.000 And so it was incredibly disorganized.

00:23:29.000 It was at the Pasadena convention or whatever.

00:23:32.000 What's interesting, though, is that you get super right-wing activists and super left-wing activists, and they all are kind of there together.

00:23:38.000 So I remember I was working my way through the line, and they were incredibly hostile, left-wing people.

00:23:42.000 They were actually really sweet.

00:23:43.000 They all had shirts and they were in my face about one issue: Citizens United.

00:23:48.000 They were like, It's so bad that all this money is being flowing.

00:23:48.000 Yep.

00:23:51.000 Why don't you speak out about it, right-wingers?

00:23:53.000 You guys are corrupting our democracy.

00:23:55.000 Now, that was 2017, where their number one issue was the flow of capital to quote unquote destroy America.

00:24:03.000 Now, six years later, we are in the summer of 2023, six years later, and they're outspending the right 10 to one, right?

00:24:14.000 So, they decided to stop complaining and just take it over and have their oligarchs basically run the country. 0.86

00:24:19.000 So, what was happening in the background, Charlie, is like in 2016, all of the people on the left, kind of similar to what we're doing now, and this is even prior to this, 2014 to 2016, all the people on the left that were kind of in our position now were screaming, guys, we have to use this capital in a better way.

00:24:37.000 We have to structure it better.

00:24:39.000 We have to get it to the right infrastructure pieces in these key target states.

00:24:43.000 And they didn't listen.

00:24:44.000 And what happened?

00:24:46.000 Donald Trump won Michigan.

00:24:48.000 Donald Trump won Wisconsin.

00:24:49.000 Donald Trump won County.

00:24:52.000 And they've said, see, see, see, we told you that we couldn't just rely on our haunches that Hillary was going to win everything. 0.98

00:25:00.000 And then, so what happened?

00:25:02.000 Their oligarchs, their money spenders, their middlemen, their consultants all got together and they said, you know what?

00:25:08.000 You're right.

00:25:09.000 We're going to invest in infrastructure.

00:25:10.000 We're never going to let this happen again.

00:25:12.000 2018 was the test run for that.

00:25:14.000 No, that's the air belly.

00:25:15.000 And then 2020 was the ultimate of showing that this is how it should work.

00:25:21.000 So I want to ask a wrinkle of this, Austin.

00:25:24.000 How does this impact you on a state-based level?

00:25:26.000 Because there's some whispers that the state house in Arizona might be in jeopardy.

00:25:30.000 I don't know if that is fear-mongering, but they're pouring money.

00:25:32.000 I mean, they have more money than they know what to do with.

00:25:35.000 Right.

00:25:35.000 Is that right?

00:25:36.000 And so we talk about this a lot at action.

00:25:37.000 So, yeah, I'm in the House of Representatives here in Arizona, member of the Arizona Freedom Caucus, and we're fighting like tooth and nail to prevent that from happening.

00:25:44.000 And what the left has done, they test the water in local races.

00:25:47.000 So they know that there's a big Senate race coming up in Arizona.

00:25:50.000 They know that there's a presidential election cycle.

00:25:52.000 They're going to save off.

00:25:52.000 They're going to find four or five million dollars and they're going to pour it into some of these local races, right?

00:25:56.000 They're going to spend it on a Democrat there because in reality, a rising tide lifts all the issue specific.

00:26:02.000 Nancy Bartow on abortion, right?

00:26:04.000 Right. 0.53

00:26:04.000 So they want to attack. 0.53

00:26:06.000 They want to attack members like Justine Wadsack in Pima County that's a state senator in a swing district. 0.92

00:26:11.000 She's a conservative member, but they want to attack her on crazy gender ideology. 1.00

00:26:16.000 So they're finding these niche issues and they're willing to spend a million dollars.

00:26:19.000 We have missed that on our side of the aisle.

00:26:21.000 We've missed that as conservatives that, you know, we need to go find $2 million and we need to prop up a Nancy Bartow in Georgia to help the presidential election.

00:26:28.000 This is how Disappointment, I mean, there's an entire reporter, Jane Mayer, who wrote a whole book called Dark Money.

00:26:34.000 And if you were to ask an everyday American uninformed who spends more money, right-wing, left-wing, they would think that conservatives have all this money.

00:26:42.000 And there is, and I'm trying to warn people, there is a financial drought in the conservative movement, unlike anything we've ever seen.

00:26:50.000 There's two reasons for this.

00:26:51.000 Number one, the woke stuff has taken over corporate America and like easy, low-hanging fruit money, we don't want anymore, right?

00:27:01.000 We don't want money from Goldman.

00:27:02.000 We don't have the strings attached.

00:27:03.000 So we've embraced a populist nationalist agenda, which is at odds with the easy money that used to be raised.

00:27:08.000 Corporate America.

00:27:09.000 Yeah, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, Boeing.

00:27:11.000 But the second part of this is, though, that the richest people in high society in Aspen, Sun Valley, Kenny Bunkport, Martha's Vineyard, they West Palm Beach.

00:27:23.000 There's some amazing ones, and we're evidence of this.

00:27:25.000 Attorney Point Action, Attorney Point USA, we raised close to $100 million, so we're not complaining, and we make every dollar stretch and spend.

00:27:31.000 Let me tell you what, we do more than any other group times 10 combined.

00:27:34.000 But we have to scrap for it.

00:27:36.000 And it's not easy because most donors actually Are on the center right, center left.

00:27:43.000 They're not really on board for this kind of like grassroots running the country, people-centric flyover country has a voice thing.

00:27:49.000 They actually kind of want a plutocracy. 0.99

00:27:52.000 Yeah, I mean, they want say, right?

00:27:53.000 They want to make sure that they have say, but I mean, more importantly than this is there's a sense that people just kind of trusted the process for a long time.

00:28:04.000 And what I mean by that is think about the Koch era, right?

00:28:07.000 What do the Cokes do?

00:28:09.000 The Coke came in and said, instead of you guys figuring out who should be the candidates, just give us your money.

00:28:14.000 That's exactly right.

00:28:15.000 And then the Cokes actually ingested billions and billions of dollars and spent it on behalf of other billionaires.

00:28:21.000 And they did it for a decade.

00:28:23.000 And they did it for over a decade.

00:28:25.000 And now we have a lot of donors that have a really sour taste in their mouth because they realize, oh, maybe that one group doesn't have the best, my whole best interest at heart.

00:28:34.000 And I'm not, again, this isn't an attack on Coke.

00:28:36.000 Like, they're welcome to have whatever positions they want.

00:28:39.000 It's just, it comes back to the point of the wasted money and wasted capital.

00:28:43.000 You have to have donors in the know as much as your activists are in the know.

00:28:48.000 And so understand, as we go populist and nationalist, we lose big business and we lose people that are adjacent to big business.

00:28:55.000 So you lose like hedge fund billionaires.

00:28:57.000 You lose that whole environment of capital that don't want to finance us anymore.

00:29:02.000 Right.

00:29:03.000 And they want open borders. 0.97

00:29:05.000 They like the stuff in Ukraine, cheap labor.

00:29:07.000 So you kind of take strong positions that are popular with voters and popular with people.

00:29:12.000 And they're like, yeah, I'm not going to give money to a movement that wants to restrict immigration.

00:29:18.000 I need to be able to staff my hotel, right?

00:29:21.000 They're at odds, like you said.

00:29:22.000 Yeah, they're truly at odds.

00:29:24.000 And that's the big dividing gap, like Austin pointed out, between the donors of old, the corporate America, Coke-based centric donors of old, or what you're describing, versus like basically the America First.

00:29:38.000 America First and traditional donor orthodoxy are incompatible.

00:29:41.000 It's like oil and vinegar.

00:29:42.000 But here's the other part that I want to mention: is that the Democrats have signed a deal with the devil.

00:29:46.000 It's not sustainable with corporate America and the woke stuff is their great alliance, right?

00:29:50.000 Corporations, they just care about profit. 0.94

00:29:52.000 They're like, yeah, sure, I'll give money to tranny surgeries and chemical castration.

00:29:55.000 And they literally don't care as long as the activists keep their pressure off of them. 0.94

00:30:00.000 But there's this third element that is rising up because even the smart corporate guys are like, yeah, I don't know if I want to keep on getting power to AOC.

00:30:06.000 It's no labels.

00:30:06.000 What's going on here?

00:30:07.000 It's the Chamber of Commerce Cinema model, right?

00:30:10.000 Which is to the left on social issues, center left on fiscal economic issues, but give big business what they want.

00:30:16.000 Well, it's like the stock market, right?

00:30:18.000 The stock market thrives off of consistency, right?

00:30:22.000 The more predictable that the economy is going to be, the more predictable that society is going to be, the happier investors are and business owners are and corporate America is in general.

00:30:31.000 So what's happening right now is that the left is chaos.

00:30:35.000 The left is nonstop chaos with what they're doing on woke on their woke agenda, right?

00:30:40.000 And we saw cities burning down and then corporate America was like, whoa, I didn't sign up for this.

00:30:45.000 And they pulled back a little bit, not enough.

00:30:45.000 Right.

00:30:47.000 But then they're like, oh, we're going to move from this to trans issues.

00:30:50.000 And now they're like, whoa, even the wokeness in the corporations, it's not a sustainable model because leftists never build anything.

00:30:56.000 So they're going to these companies and they're like, oh, wow, I can't believe we just gave everything over to these monsters and everything.

00:31:05.000 It's a third way.

00:31:06.000 But so the third party, so now they're like, now they're like, oh, wow, this is actually chaotic too.

00:31:11.000 And so now they're starting to realize like, oh, that uniparty center, no labels, independent model, like the Kirsten Cinema model, that actually may not be the way.

00:31:20.000 That's chaos.

00:31:21.000 We can't tell who's going to be the candidate.

00:31:24.000 So now they're like, to your point, now they're like, oh, now we're going to end up with a bunch of AOCs.

00:31:29.000 Maybe the populists are right.

00:31:30.000 And so now I think we're starting to peel some of those.

00:31:32.000 All over the place.

00:31:33.000 I hope so.

00:31:33.000 I mean, we'll talk about this after the presentation.

00:31:34.000 It's going to take time.

00:31:35.000 No Labels is a corporate Chamber of Commerce funded project to try to keep them have a seat at the table, which, by the way, No Labels might actually give the presidency to a Republican or Democrat.

00:31:45.000 If anyone tells you what it's going to do, they don't know.

00:31:47.000 The Democrats are freaking out more than Republicans.

00:31:49.000 It is completely unpredictable, right?

00:31:51.000 They could run No Labels in Utah and steal electoral votes from Republicans, or they could do it in Arizona, which almost assuredly hurts Democrats.

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00:33:04.000 I've been following Cornell West for years, Princeton professor.

00:33:07.000 He is not dumb. 0.76

00:33:09.000 He's wrong on a lot of stuff, but he's not dumb. 0.98

00:33:11.000 And I'm telling you, he could sneak up and get 3% to 4% to 5% of the black vote. 0.74

00:33:15.000 But I want to focus on no labels.

00:33:17.000 No labels is really bubbling to the surface.

00:33:20.000 This quote-unquote Twitter intelligentsia on the left are freaking out over no labels.

00:33:25.000 What's going on here?

00:33:26.000 Anytime that you see Democrats upset about something, you know it's really bad for them, right? 0.71

00:33:31.000 Because they have been told from now their top tier, top brass, this is like not good and they have to kill it.

00:33:37.000 So right now we're seeing, and Austin can talk a little bit more about this because he's been following it in the legislature in particular, that a group of Democrats, largely people who support people like Kirsten Sinema, right?

00:33:49.000 Even though Kirsten's probably not going to run as No Labels, are launching, they launched this political party. 0.94

00:33:55.000 They got enough signatures for it to get on the ballot.

00:33:59.000 So anyone can run under the No Labels party moniker in Arizona.

00:34:04.000 This is huge.

00:34:05.000 So does that help Donald Trump or would that help Joe Biden?

00:34:08.000 Certainly, I would think that based off the amount of freaking out by the left, but that this is predominantly Democrats and moderate Republicans who make up like less than 5% of the Republican Party.

00:34:20.000 I mean, so it's a lot of Jeff Flake type, East Valley, LGBTQ.

00:34:24.000 They're really Republican. 0.57

00:34:26.000 Democrats.

00:34:26.000 Well, like Paradise Valley soccer mom types that might vote for Kimberly Yee, but that's not.

00:34:32.000 You're going to get like a weird pseudo-type Democrat from like Pima County that's like, the Democrats are not radical enough or they're too radical.

00:34:40.000 And so I want to be with the Labels Party.

00:34:41.000 And so there's like four or five Democrat legislators in Arizona that have come out in support of it, that have been to an event under their Democrat in the legislature, have come out there in support of it.

00:34:50.000 And one of them is in a swing district here in Arizona that should have been a Republican in it.

00:34:54.000 So we need it.

00:34:56.000 This could be our saving grace, guys, because if anyone can properly map out three candidates in a presidential race, they're lying to you.

00:35:03.000 It adds an unpredictable element like Ross Perot in 1992 and 96.

00:35:08.000 I mean, for example, if Romney were to be the No Labels candidate in Utah, that could be confusing.

00:35:13.000 But having Romney as the No Labels candidate in Arizona would be amazing.

00:35:16.000 He would get 20% of the vote.

00:35:17.000 He would clean up in the East Valley, which would mean the Democrats don't get those votes.

00:35:21.000 And Trump runs up the score in Cave Creek and Wickenburg and Pinal and, you know, Mojave County.

00:35:26.000 Mojave.

00:35:28.000 Well, let me lay out what could happen in Arizona.

00:35:30.000 So in Arizona, in the Senate race alone, if Kirsten decides not, Kirsten Sinema decides not to run as no labels, she runs as just a pure independent or party not defined or determined.

00:35:41.000 And then there is a no labels candidate.

00:35:43.000 We could have potentially four candidates, three intermediar parties, one as a current sitting senator.

00:35:49.000 That certainly would help us.

00:35:51.000 Now, if Kirsten decides to run as no labels, again, the argument still is she's a Democrat, a former Democrat. 0.98

00:35:58.000 So that's certainly she's going to pull more Democrat votes than Republican votes. 1.00

00:36:02.000 So that's going to help us.

00:36:04.000 So right now, yeah, we're sitting pretty bad for Kirsten.

00:36:08.000 Does RFK Jr. run as third party?

00:36:10.000 I don't know.

00:36:11.000 Does that help Trump?

00:36:13.000 It actually might hurt Trump because a lot of Trump's base, I think, actually is sympathetic there.

00:36:17.000 However, Cornell West, I'm telling you, don't sleep on this guy.

00:36:20.000 If you want to talk about like articulate black nationalism, which is a message that can resonate in Milwaukee and Atlanta, Cornell West, watch this right here.

00:36:28.000 Cornell West is a smart man.

00:36:30.000 Play Cut 54.

00:36:31.000 Well, I mean, one, I would have followed George Kennan.

00:36:34.000 I would have abolished NATO right after the collapse of the Soviet Empire. 0.68

00:36:38.000 And I would have tried to welcome Russia into the nation, the community of nations rather than trying to push them against the wall. 0.86

00:36:46.000 We know that their system of repression and domination is one in which they're going to feel as if their backs are against the wall. 0.87

00:36:52.000 And I think you would probably agree that if Russia or China had missiles in Canada or Mexico targeting Washington, D.C., U.S. government would blow them to smithereens.

00:37:03.000 He's right.

00:37:04.000 Final thoughts, guys.

00:37:05.000 That's just provocative enough to get attention.

00:37:07.000 It's true, by the way.

00:37:09.000 I agree with him on that. 0.80

00:37:10.000 I mean, Cornell West is running as like a black nationalist communist. 0.69

00:37:14.000 This could be a game changer in Atlanta. 0.75

00:37:16.000 3% changes the whole game.

00:37:18.000 At the universities.

00:37:18.000 Well, Athens, Georgia Tech University.

00:37:21.000 I tell people on our side all the time in the Republican Party, look, the Republican Party is the last saving grace to the last saving grace in the world, right?

00:37:29.000 Which is America.

00:37:31.000 And the reason is because you can start as many new parties as you want, but they can get hijacked overnight.

00:37:36.000 So this no labels party could get hijacked by radical Democrats.

00:37:41.000 It could be hijacked by moderate Republicans.

00:37:43.000 We don't know.

00:37:44.000 We don't know what it's going to end up.

00:37:45.000 So to your point, you don't know what the result.

00:37:47.000 The result in Arizona could be totally different than the result in Texas.

00:37:50.000 Here's my prediction.

00:37:51.000 There's chaos coming.

00:37:51.000 We have to do the work and do the work.

00:37:53.000 If we do the work, forget all the polls.

00:37:54.000 There might be this insane where it's going to come down to like 500 votes.

00:37:58.000 Yeah.

00:37:58.000 Like, did we chase ballots?

00:38:00.000 Did we subscribe?

00:38:01.000 Did we band together?

00:38:03.000 Right?

00:38:03.000 Yep.

00:38:04.000 And because, I mean, if you got Cornell West, who's peeling off a couple hundred thousand votes in Georgia, you got RFK.

00:38:09.000 We don't know.

00:38:10.000 You got to do the work.

00:38:11.000 Yep.

00:38:11.000 That's what Torney Point Action is doing.

00:38:13.000 Do the work.

00:38:13.000 Your podcast, what's the name?

00:38:14.000 Do we know yet?

00:38:15.000 Swing State Central.

00:38:16.000 Swing State Update.

00:38:17.000 Swing State Up.

00:38:17.000 Swing State Update.

00:38:18.000 It's coming out next month.

00:38:19.000 So we're going to be going through it.

00:38:20.000 We'll have Tyler and Austin on again.

00:38:21.000 tpaction.com.

00:38:23.000 That's tpaction.com.

00:38:24.000 Email us, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:38:26.000 I'm telling you, 2024 will be an election cycle unlike any other.

00:38:29.000 If you think you know what's going to happen, you're wrong.

00:38:31.000 Get to work.

00:38:32.000 Chase ballots.

00:38:32.000 We'll see you tomorrow.

00:38:35.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 26, 2023

Deconstructing How the Left Wins with Tyler Bowyer and Austin Smith

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