The Charlie Kirk Show - August 02, 2023


Defeating the Left's War on Children: Live on Stage with Megyn Kelly at ActCon


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In this episode, Charlie talks with Megan Kelly at our Turning Point Action Conference. We talk about Dylan Mulvaney, transphobia in the media, and why we should all be mad at the NCAA for allowing men to swim in women's locker rooms.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, it's Anthony Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000 My conversation with Megan Kelly at our Turning Point Action Conference.
00:00:04.000 We talk about Dylan Mulvaney.
00:00:06.000 We talk about trans against America and more. 1.00
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00:01:16.000 Megan, welcome to your first turning point event.
00:01:18.000 This is exciting.
00:01:19.000 I'm so happy to be with you guys.
00:01:21.000 It's awesome.
00:01:22.000 So thank you.
00:01:23.000 So, Megan, I think I speak for our entire audience.
00:01:26.000 The commentary that you have been doing on the trans issue has been some of the best.
00:01:31.000 I'm telling you, millions and millions of people have their eyes open.
00:01:35.000 So, thank you, Megan.
00:01:36.000 It's been a real clear voice on that issue.
00:01:37.000 Thank you.
00:01:38.000 It's been an evolution for me.
00:01:40.000 You know, I explained a couple weeks ago how I came into it, you know, when it was a minor issue with much more empathy and let's be sensitive and let's be careful and don't bully.
00:01:52.000 And I still am not in favor of bullying, but I've completely reversed myself on the, it's all about empathy.
00:01:57.000 You know who needs empathy?
00:01:58.000 Women. 0.81
00:01:59.000 Women need empathy. 1.00
00:02:01.000 And so, Megan, I have the toughest question that a Supreme Court justice can't even answer.
00:02:07.000 What is a woman? 1.00
00:02:09.000 An adult human female.
00:02:11.000 Period.
00:02:13.000 It's not that hard.
00:02:14.000 How should we think about when the regime says there are it's birthing people who can chest feed with a lactating hormone that might disrupt babies' heart rates?
00:02:24.000 This is a real thing, everybody, by the way.
00:02:26.000 And not a satire.
00:02:28.000 What we should think is that we need to exit that room immediately because we're not with people who are sane.
00:02:34.000 I mean, I just don't even think we should engage.
00:02:36.000 There's no point in debating actually what a woman is. 0.99
00:02:39.000 You're dealing with people who are dishonest brokers.
00:02:41.000 I'm not going to debate that.
00:02:42.000 It's obvious what a woman is. 1.00
00:02:43.000 It's obvious that it's not possible for a man to breastfeed a baby.
00:02:48.000 Chest feeding a baby is abuse of a child.
00:02:51.000 We should be standing up against it and condemning.
00:02:53.000 And there should be a healthy measure of ridicule. 0.99
00:02:57.000 There really needs to be a healthy measure of judgment against people who would put an infant through that kind of behavior and who would invade a girl's locker room and who would parade around in their women's swimsuit while they have a penis. 0.99
00:03:11.000 These people are freaks if they go in, and they're perverts, by the way, if they go into a female locker room. 1.00
00:03:18.000 And Megan, you've had the courage to speak out and the media calls you and anyone who says anything transphobic. 0.96
00:03:25.000 Yeah.
00:03:26.000 How should we respond to that?
00:03:28.000 Okay.
00:03:29.000 Whatever.
00:03:31.000 Honestly, I've been called worse.
00:03:33.000 I don't care about their names at all.
00:03:35.000 I care about what's right.
00:03:37.000 And that's just a tool that they use to shut us down on these genuine beliefs that are legit, that Democrats hold, that Republicans hold.
00:03:44.000 Honestly, most Democrats are with us on this particular issue.
00:03:48.000 This is not a left or right thing.
00:03:50.000 So let them call you whatever they want.
00:03:51.000 Who gives a damn?
00:03:53.000 Yeah, and it's so totalitarian in that if you don't conform, we're going to force it forward with you.
00:04:00.000 And, you know, Megan, this is happening so fast.
00:04:02.000 I believe we're living through a cultural revolution, a forced forward momentum moment where they're trying to remake fundamental terms and language.
00:04:10.000 And if you disagree, they slaughter you.
00:04:12.000 But it takes truth tellers, takes people like yourself and people like you to willing to speak out and say, no, I'm actually not going to do that.
00:04:21.000 No, I actually think it's wrong that Thomas won the NCAA championship as a biological man.
00:04:28.000 Megan Rapino or Rapinoe.
00:04:30.000 Rapino, right?
00:04:31.000 Rapino.
00:04:32.000 Did you see this?
00:04:32.000 Yeah, I saw it.
00:04:33.000 She's absurd.
00:04:34.000 She comes out and she says, it's not happening.
00:04:36.000 Men aren't winning these competitions. 0.79
00:04:38.000 Now, Megan, that gets to the root of something.
00:04:40.000 We no longer have differences of opinion.
00:04:42.000 We have different realities where Megan can't even acknowledge that the thing we're also seeing is a thing that we're seeing.
00:04:48.000 Think of the gall of this person to have made millions of dollars off of us, the American people, out on that soccer field.
00:04:56.000 She didn't have to compete against biological men.
00:04:58.000 She did it all while she had a level playing field playing against just girls. 0.99
00:05:02.000 Now, Megan Rapino does not have a child.
00:05:05.000 And so what does she want?
00:05:06.000 She wants your daughter and my daughter to have to compete against a man out there after she's made her millions and she's safe. 1.00
00:05:12.000 Well, no, because you know what?
00:05:14.000 Not only is it unfair, it is unsafe.
00:05:16.000 And you need to go no further than North Carolina to look at the young volleyball player, 17 years old, who came on my show, who was forced to play against a biological boy on the other team who had a spike the ball in her face so severe she has permanent damage as a result of it.
00:05:31.000 Megan Rapino can take a seat because she no longer has to take the risks.
00:05:44.000 This movement is accelerating.
00:05:45.000 But Megan, you and I were talking about this privately.
00:05:47.000 I actually think it's a winner politically for Republicans.
00:05:51.000 And I just want you to talk about this objectively.
00:05:53.000 Do you think are Republicans forceful enough on this issue?
00:05:56.000 Is there a little bit too much tap dancing on it?
00:05:58.000 I mean, it depends on the Republican.
00:06:00.000 I mean, I think Ron DeSantis nailed it.
00:06:02.000 You know, he spoke with Benny Johnson within the past month and said explicitly, you know, this absurdity of pretending that a man can become a woman.
00:06:11.000 That's not possible.
00:06:12.000 That's perfectly clear.
00:06:14.000 He's exactly right.
00:06:15.000 You shouldn't be afraid to say that.
00:06:16.000 Trump's gotten some criticism for, you know, the stance he had in 2016.
00:06:21.000 Well, I would submit that's not, that doesn't answer the question because a lot's changed since 2016.
00:06:27.000 If you were here me in 2016, I'd sound a lot different.
00:06:30.000 So we have to ask him how he feels about all that today.
00:06:32.000 But I think all these GOP candidates need to be perfectly clear that a man cannot become a woman, a woman cannot become a man, and that while we can have empathy for people who have gender confusion, it's a hard no on boys crossing over into our sports or men crossing over into our spaces.
00:06:49.000 Megan, this is now a cottage industry.
00:06:51.000 We're now up against the pharmaceutical companies that stand to make billions of dollars on these chemical castration drugs.
00:06:57.000 There are hundreds of these gender-affirming clinics.
00:07:01.000 And Dr. Miriam Grossman, I'm not sure if you had her on your program.
00:07:04.000 She's amazing.
00:07:06.000 She even says that it's in the standard protocol treatment of pediatricians, where parents bring their kid in, and if they turn their back or if they walk out of the room, the pediatrician might ask an eight-year-old, well, do you think you're a boy?
00:07:18.000 Do you think you're a girl?
00:07:20.000 I mean, they're coming directly after the children.
00:07:22.000 And it's beyond just kind of the going after the children element of it, but that's the most perverse and the most sick kind of element here.
00:07:31.000 As a mother, Megan, you know, I know you're leading this and other moms feel the same.
00:07:36.000 It is time for ridicule and the drawing of the lines.
00:07:39.000 And what I'm afraid, though, is that they've advanced so far that this idea toxin has gone into institutional high-level society.
00:07:49.000 I think we're at that breaking point or around that.
00:07:52.000 Yes, but I think there's nothing but hope for the future because people are waking up.
00:07:57.000 You know, I think a lot of people were like me where they were empathetic and they were trying to be non-bullying when it was a very, very small sliver of the population struggling with this issue.
00:08:06.000 And now that not only has it exploded, because it is a social contagion, but it's more than just exploded.
00:08:12.000 It's now to the place where for the first time in U.S. history, they're not just saying accept me and my lifestyle.
00:08:17.000 They're saying, I want you to change your beliefs.
00:08:21.000 I want you to change the way you and your children approach sports, life, safety, and so on.
00:08:26.000 That's never before happened, where gender has been erased, or that's how they would have it.
00:08:31.000 So I think, number one, there's a groundswell of support on our side.
00:08:34.000 Number two, Lost in Transnation, Miriam Grossberg's book, is amazing.
00:08:38.000 She's amazing.
00:08:39.000 Everyone should read that.
00:08:40.000 She's a child psychiatrist.
00:08:42.000 She knows of what she speaks, and she completely ouchs the entire psychological industry for selling our children up the river. 1.00
00:08:49.000 This is one of the reasons we pulled our children from the New York City private schools, which I spoke about publicly right after George Floyd.
00:08:55.000 They went nuts on the race stuff, and they went nuts on the gender stuff. 0.95
00:08:59.000 And in my children's, I have two boys and a girl.
00:09:01.000 In my boy's school, they were actually asking my third grader once a week, the whole class, if they were sure they were still boys.
00:09:11.000 These are boys who have no gender confusion.
00:09:13.000 They were putting that in their heads.
00:09:15.000 And we pieced right out of there, which is what I recommend to you.
00:09:19.000 There's no point in letting it steward.
00:09:20.000 Well, and that's an interesting question, Megan, that is debated.
00:09:23.000 Should parents fight for the school they're in or get out so their kids don't get infected?
00:09:28.000 Look, if you can fight, if you can fight and you can win, go for it.
00:09:32.000 But we were in the midst of New York City.
00:09:34.000 You know, I mean, right, get out.
00:09:36.000 Like, we went to Connecticut and we found a reasonable school.
00:09:39.000 And to be honest, we said before we went into these schools, cards on the table, here's what we're fleeing.
00:09:44.000 Make sure we're not jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
00:09:46.000 It's not going to work out for either one of us.
00:09:48.000 And we found a sane school that doesn't want to talk to our kids about pronouns.
00:09:51.000 It's actually not that hard.
00:09:53.000 But there was no winning in New York City private school, so it was time to end.
00:09:56.000 But I'll say this too, on the explosion of the medical problems.
00:10:00.000 Yesterday at that Iowa Forum that Tucker hosted, Asa Hutchinson went out there and said that he rejected that bill that would have banned these procedures, medical surgeries and hormones, et cetera, for minors.
00:10:13.000 And then he tried to make a distinction between the drugs and the surgical procedures, because surgery is permanent, but the drugs aren't.
00:10:20.000 That's not true.
00:10:21.000 That's not true.
00:10:22.000 If you go on puberty blockers, 90% of those kids go right to cross-sex hormones. 0.77
00:10:28.000 They go right to it.
00:10:29.000 It's like a gateway.
00:10:30.000 And once you've had no puberty and you've gone right to cross-sex hormones, you're sterile. 0.62
00:10:36.000 You will not be having children.
00:10:37.000 That's very permanent.
00:10:39.000 And there's no minor in America who should be subjected to that.
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00:11:52.000 I don't know about you guys, but if the Republican Party can't agree that we should ban chemical castration of children, then the Republican Party has become worthless.
00:12:02.000 I mean, if we cannot do that very basic thing.
00:12:06.000 And say it explicitly.
00:12:07.000 Say it the way Ron DeSantis said it.
00:12:09.000 Explicitly.
00:12:10.000 We will not allow 11-year-olds to take drugs that mutilate themselves when they're in a position to be taken advantage of by a predator.
00:12:17.000 Great segue, Megan.
00:12:18.000 You watched the Iowa Forum yesterday, and some candidates are going there.
00:12:23.000 Some candidates are coming here.
00:12:24.000 There's a little bit of crossover.
00:12:26.000 Talk about the Iowa Forum and how you're viewing the 2024 race as a journalist.
00:12:32.000 Well, I mean, I still think it's largely a two-man race.
00:12:35.000 You know, there's obviously other candidates besides Trump and DeSantis, but realistically, it's probably going to be one of those two.
00:12:43.000 Trump, I'll tell you this.
00:12:48.000 I think they like Trump, Megan.
00:12:49.000 I really think they like.
00:12:50.000 You're not alone.
00:12:51.000 The vast majority of the Republican Party wants Trump.
00:12:55.000 I'll tell you this.
00:12:56.000 A lot of people say, like, you know, look back at 2015, Jeb Bush was in the lead, and I know I was there.
00:13:01.000 I remember all that.
00:13:02.000 However, there's never been a candidate who's been 30 points up consistently going to like who lost it.
00:13:08.000 It's just, there hasn't.
00:13:10.000 So, you know, unless Trump like withdraws, like, I just, I don't see, I want somebody to show me how DeSantis can do it.
00:13:20.000 I want how.
00:13:21.000 Because I call Trump the 800-pound gorilla.
00:13:23.000 How do you get past the gorilla?
00:13:25.000 I don't, I don't see it.
00:13:26.000 And if you get past the gorilla as DeSantis, right?
00:13:29.000 If you get past the gorilla as DeSantis, how do you get Trump's voters to get behind you?
00:13:35.000 Because I've said many times, a lot of you guys might know, Trump's core voters aren't even necessarily Republicans.
00:13:41.000 They're Trumplicants. 0.99
00:13:42.000 Yeah, no doubt.
00:13:43.000 They're in it because of him.
00:13:44.000 Raise your hand if you feel that way.
00:13:47.000 Yeah, that's a lot of people.
00:13:50.000 Well, you're diagnosing it correctly, Megan.
00:13:53.000 And so do you think, and I want to ask the audience too, the indictments, conventional wisdom, oh, he's getting indicted.
00:14:01.000 He's going to go down on the polls.
00:14:02.000 It's been the opposite.
00:14:03.000 I said the day before, or maybe it was the day of Trump's first indictment.
00:14:09.000 I got to count the indictments.
00:14:11.000 The first indictment by Alvin Bragg in New York City, he should get on his hands and knees and pray to God that he gets indicted.
00:14:16.000 Not from a legal perspective, obviously.
00:14:17.000 It's a massive headache.
00:14:18.000 And I'm sure it is a little scary.
00:14:19.000 He's only human.
00:14:21.000 But from a political perspective, and sure enough, it happened later that day and his poll numbers did this.
00:14:26.000 If you look back in January, February of this year, DeSantis was polling within 10 points of Trump.
00:14:30.000 Now, that's a game.
00:14:32.000 It's on.
00:14:33.000 10 points, that's a game.
00:14:36.000 Now, 30 points, that's all post-indictment.
00:14:38.000 The American people have had it.
00:14:41.000 And it's largely about Trump, but it's also largely about this system that they want to give a middle finger to.
00:14:47.000 And we all know who the best middle finger candidate is.
00:14:56.000 I wish that establishment Republicans looked at things as honestly as you do, Megan.
00:15:01.000 The party would be in a much better spot.
00:15:03.000 And I know I'm sure the audience believes it.
00:15:06.000 I can speak for me personally.
00:15:07.000 The indictments make me like Donald Trump a lot more because this is an administrative state, a fourth branch of government, an unchecked bureaucracy that is interfering with a presidential election for the first time ever.
00:15:19.000 And it makes me wonder, like, they must really fear this guy to such unbelievable levels that they have to go to it.
00:15:26.000 So he's shooting up into the polls and kind of looking on the Democrat side, Megan.
00:15:29.000 I know some of this is just speculation and looking, because you have a good track record predicting, is Joe Biden going to be the Democrat nominee?
00:15:38.000 I think you'd have to say yes.
00:15:40.000 I mean, there's nobody on the Democratic side who's going to give him a meaningful challenge.
00:15:44.000 RFK is interesting.
00:15:45.000 You know, I've had him on my show.
00:15:46.000 I think he's fascinating, but they're going to snuff him out.
00:15:49.000 At least snuffed out Bernie Sanders, who was a lot stronger than RFK Jr. is.
00:15:53.000 And they will definitely snuff out RFK Jr.
00:15:56.000 I mean, honestly, the bigger question is whether Biden can make it physically, whether, like, literally, whether he will live to the, I mean, God bless him.
00:16:04.000 I'm not rooting, believe me, I'm not rooting for anything bad to happen to him for many reasons.
00:16:10.000 That's the biggest fright for them, that something happens to Joe Biden, and then they're stuck with the totally unelectable Kamala Harris.
00:16:17.000 They know that's the case.
00:16:19.000 But look at Joe Biden.
00:16:20.000 I mean, he's never been in a worse or weaker position right now in terms of his mental acuity.
00:16:26.000 You can see it happening.
00:16:27.000 It feels a little abusive what's happening to him now.
00:16:30.000 He has his good days and his bad, but way more bad than good.
00:16:32.000 And if you have this guy six years out from right now, I mean, I think we're back in 25th Amendment territory.
00:16:38.000 And I just, it's, it has very bad, it forebodes bad things for the United States.
00:16:43.000 You bring up something interesting where I think that there's a realignment happening, and I'm going to prove it to you.
00:16:48.000 Here we are at a convention where Donald Trump is viewed very favorably, who's called far right by the media, which just drives me nuts, right?
00:16:57.000 6,000 people.
00:16:58.000 How many of you have a positive opinion of Bobby Kennedy Jr., RFK Jr.?
00:17:02.000 Raise your hand.
00:17:05.000 What's going on here, Megan?
00:17:06.000 This is a guy who's a Democrat running for the presidency with the last name Kennedy, and he gets more applause than Mitt Romney.
00:17:14.000 Literally, do you guys like Mitt Romney?
00:17:19.000 So what's going on?
00:17:20.000 He's a Democrat.
00:17:21.000 We're supposed to hate him, Megan.
00:17:22.000 I know.
00:17:22.000 RFKJ, as I call him, is, you know, he's an independent thinker.
00:17:28.000 And he pushed back on the COVID nonsense and on Dr. Fauci in a particularly effective way, right?
00:17:36.000 And like, let me tell you what happened with RFKJ.
00:17:41.000 A friend of mine said you should put him on after he wrote his book on Fauci.
00:17:44.000 And I was like, oh, I don't know, he's sketchy, like a conspiracy theorist.
00:17:46.000 You know, be careful what you read, I said to my friend.
00:17:49.000 She's like, I don't know, you might want to consider it.
00:17:50.000 And then I thought, this is my own hubris.
00:17:54.000 I actually don't know what the truth is about this guy.
00:17:57.000 I should read that book.
00:17:58.000 I should think about him.
00:17:59.000 So I did.
00:18:00.000 And then I had my team read the book and we invited him on the show.
00:18:03.000 This is when he was banned everywhere.
00:18:04.000 Nobody would put him on.
00:18:05.000 He came on and said, not even Joe Rogan would have him on.
00:18:08.000 Nobody would have him on.
00:18:09.000 You know who was the only other person who put him on?
00:18:11.000 Chucker Carlson.
00:18:15.000 And so I said, all right, I'll put him on and we'll give him a hard time and I'll ask him all the questions because I want the interview to live.
00:18:22.000 I don't want it to get banned on YouTube or any of the other platforms.
00:18:25.000 And we did it for four hours.
00:18:26.000 I had the guy on and not a single clip, nothing got censored.
00:18:31.000 And if you talk to him, he'll say that was the beginning of his resurrection because it made it okay to talk to this guy.
00:18:36.000 And once you, it's just like these other censorship issues.
00:18:39.000 Once you actually start to hear the opposite ideas, you get a little bit more enlightened and you may or may not agree with all of it, but you've learned a little and you've shorn up your own views, even if you disagree.
00:18:49.000 It's an opportunity to go and say, no, I disagree.
00:18:51.000 Why do I disagree?
00:18:52.000 Oh, let me come up with my argument.
00:18:53.000 Or wait, I might have been wrong on that.
00:18:55.000 It's great to be wrong because I'll be less wrong tomorrow than I was yesterday.
00:19:00.000 So I think that's why people like him.
00:19:02.000 He's an independent thinker.
00:19:03.000 Having said all that, he was just on the air ripping on moms for liberty and saying there'll be nobody stronger on LGBTQ stuff than he is.
00:19:11.000 So just be careful.
00:19:13.000 That's really wise, Megan.
00:19:14.000 That is wise.
00:19:15.000 And I think it's a balance.
00:19:16.000 I mean, I'm not going to go vote for Bobby Kennedy in a primary, but his commentary and his book, The Real, I think it's called The Real Anthony Fauci, is an amazing book.
00:19:29.000 And he really led the charge of exposing Anthony Fauci for the craven criminal bureaucrat who should be sent to Gitmo for what he did for our children.
00:19:39.000 And Gitmo.
00:19:41.000 Well, the other thing about Bobby Kennedy is he's pushing back on Ukraine, which is not popular at all in the Republican Party anymore.
00:19:50.000 And he pushes back against the military-industrial complex and the intelligence complex in ways that are deeply personal to him.
00:19:56.000 I mean, you ask him a question about the CIA, and he will start at the beginning of the formation of the CIA and walk you through exactly how it's been corrupted.
00:20:02.000 So you'll learn in speaking to him, and he's got sort of the same enemies as a lot of Republicans have come to have.
00:20:07.000 Yeah, so and I'm getting at something though, Megan, which is I think there can be a coalition eventually built.
00:20:15.000 I don't think it will be done in this cycle just because there's so many built-in biases, Trump, Biden, but eventually, is it possible to have a coalition where there's just, I don't know, ordinary people that believe in reality and don't think men could give birth and want people to own homes and not be in debt all the time and then have a super like rich woke oligarchy party.
00:20:38.000 Is that conceivable or possible or too entrenched?
00:20:42.000 Because it's just notable, it's noteworthy, everybody.
00:20:45.000 You're supposed to hate RFK so much.
00:20:47.000 The media is trying to train you, but you're like, no, I like him.
00:20:50.000 He thinks open-mindedly.
00:20:52.000 Is there something here, or are we too entrenched in our tribes?
00:20:56.000 I mean, every time we've had a third party pop up, it gets squashed by these huge party apparatus.
00:20:56.000 I don't know.
00:21:02.000 You know, it's just the way our country is set up.
00:21:05.000 And I do think, unfortunately, the woke in the Democratic Party is expanding, though, on the gender issue, they're losing.
00:21:11.000 The woke is expanding, but on the gender issue, they're losing.
00:21:15.000 So I don't think we're going to get rid of wokeism altogether, but I think sort of that strain within the Democratic Party is losing the argument.
00:21:22.000 And hopefully, they will be dismissed as sort of this radical fringe within the next 10 years because of for no other reason what they've done to children.
00:21:29.000 Like what they're doing to children now is just beyond.
00:21:33.000 Like they actually are castrating them.
00:21:37.000 They actually are sterilizing them.
00:21:39.000 They actually are making it so not to get too graphic, but they'll never be able to achieve sexual climax forever in their lives if they do that same chemical program I just told you about.
00:21:48.000 And so I do think as these kids mature out and start speaking out more, the so-called detransitioners, they may be able to ignore them now, but they're not going to be able to ignore them for long. 1.00
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00:22:57.000 So that, Megan, there's another topic I want to explore with you, which is one of the reasons why I think that realignment is going to be difficult is because of the media.
00:23:06.000 And we have seen some dramatic changes in media in the last 18 months.
00:23:10.000 Elon Musk buying Twitter, Tucker Carlson surprisingly canned out of nowhere, ratings of cable news shows that are plummeting or tanking.
00:23:18.000 Megan, what is going on with how people consume information?
00:23:21.000 Because 2024 is a completely different media landscape than we saw in 2020 and 2016.
00:23:27.000 Completely, completely.
00:23:28.000 No, I mean, on my show right now, which is a podcast, a YouTube show, and it lives air, it airs live on Sirius XM Triumph channel.
00:23:37.000 I crush everything you see on CNN and most of the stuff you see on Fox.
00:23:40.000 So it's, I mean, just for by way of perspective, Ben Shapiro crushes literally everything, prime time on everything.
00:23:46.000 So it's like, it's a whole new alternate universe.
00:23:49.000 Your show is crushing it.
00:23:50.000 There's just different places to go.
00:23:52.000 And so when I was at Fox, Fox had the monopoly in conservative media.
00:23:56.000 And if these candidates didn't go on Fox and kiss the ring, they weren't going to get very far in the Republican Party.
00:24:01.000 No longer.
00:24:03.000 No longer.
00:24:04.000 And I'll tell you something else.
00:24:07.000 Two things, a couple things happen.
00:24:09.000 Number one, the greatest thing that happened in the media landscape in the past 10 years was Donald Trump.
00:24:15.000 Because I like to say, it's not exactly that, you know, he killed the media, but it was like he was the cavorkian in their suicide. 0.98
00:24:25.000 You know, he, you know?
00:24:27.000 Like he helped them and they just did it to themselves because he exposed them.
00:24:32.000 And then, and it was, it was in that good because people got to see for real that, oh, wait, Wolf Blitzer is not an objective news anchor.
00:24:38.000 Wolf Blitzer is against half the country.
00:24:41.000 Okay, Anderson Cooper, this nice guy, the silver fox.
00:24:43.000 No, wait, he hates us.
00:24:45.000 Okay, good to know.
00:24:46.000 You know, so people who you previously thought might be independent neutral journalists revealed themselves to not be, and that's better.
00:24:52.000 It's good that you know that.
00:24:52.000 That's good.
00:24:54.000 So audiences started to gravitate and look for alternatives, whether it was Fox or digital media.
00:24:59.000 And digital media grew throughout the Trump years, and now it's bigger than ever.
00:25:03.000 And then what did Fox do?
00:25:04.000 Talk about wasting an opportunity.
00:25:05.000 They have this great opportunity.
00:25:07.000 People are looking at them more than ever.
00:25:08.000 And what do they do?
00:25:09.000 They fired their most popular star for no reason.
00:25:12.000 Not even Fox claims that they fired Tucker for good reason or for cause.
00:25:17.000 They just canned him.
00:25:18.000 And we still don't know why.
00:25:18.000 It was a disrespectful thing to do to him.
00:25:20.000 It was disrespectful to his audience.
00:25:23.000 And their ratings have not recovered since.
00:25:24.000 They remain basement level compared to where Fox was.
00:25:29.000 And it's not a boycott.
00:25:31.000 It's not a boycott.
00:25:32.000 The audience is just done.
00:25:33.000 They're done.
00:25:34.000 They were on the edge to begin with.
00:25:36.000 They had already sort of turned on Trump because it's clear the Murdoch like DeSantis, which is fine.
00:25:40.000 DeSantis is good too.
00:25:41.000 But you don't get to decide.
00:25:43.000 It's the audience that gets to decide.
00:25:44.000 Be respectful to all the candidates.
00:25:47.000 And they haven't.
00:25:48.000 And then they made that disastrous move.
00:25:49.000 And now Fox's ratings are but a shadow of what they were and digital media continues to explode, including, Tucker's is the greatest cancellation ever.
00:25:58.000 Tucker, I listen, I'm not going to name the podcast, but I listened yesterday.
00:26:02.000 I watched his forum and I listened to these podcast hosts who I happen to like.
00:26:07.000 They're on the right, but talking about how Tucker's totally irrelevant now.
00:26:10.000 I'm like, you guys are sitting in some studio by yourselves and he is across from Ron DeSantis.
00:26:17.000 So I'm, you know, challenge.
00:26:19.000 And now here he is tonight.
00:26:20.000 Yeah.
00:26:22.000 Tucker's Twitter videos also get 100 million views, which is.
00:26:26.000 Oh, and now they're like, oh, but there's been a dramatic fall off.
00:26:29.000 I'm like, oh, you mean, so now he's down at like 10 million?
00:26:32.000 That literally dwarfs all the evening news, everything.
00:26:35.000 Like, get some perspective.
00:26:37.000 So, well, let's ask, like, how many of you are permanently done with Fox?
00:26:40.000 Like, raise your hands.
00:26:41.000 Are you guys gone?
00:26:43.000 So, Megan, that's 6,000 people that are done, basically the whole room.
00:26:47.000 What does that mean?
00:26:48.000 Can their business model continue?
00:26:50.000 It was already hanging by a thread, and they're doing their best to cut that thread right now.
00:26:55.000 Look, cable news was already, when I was there, and I left in 17, they were in a panic over cord cutters, you know, people who are going more digital.
00:27:02.000 And of course, that makes sense.
00:27:03.000 It's so much more convenient to get the news via digital media than via Fox, where you have to sit there and wait.
00:27:09.000 You have to wait for your show to come on, wait, wait.
00:27:10.000 You know, digital media, you can watch it and listen to it wherever you want, whenever you want.
00:27:14.000 And you can listen to it, or you can watch it, or you can do consumer enclips, however you want.
00:27:18.000 That's the wave of the future.
00:27:20.000 And the problem right now, in my humble estimation, is all, I'm going to say all of the hosts, virtually all, maybe there's a couple, who can make it on their own outside of cable news have chosen to do so.
00:27:35.000 And so the only ones who are still there are what we call platform players, where you're watching them because you are watching the platform.
00:27:42.000 But if they left to go independent, you wouldn't necessarily follow them.
00:27:45.000 So now it's sort of like a war.
00:27:47.000 Now it's sort of like the digital media, you know, conglomerate of independent voices who are more independent-minded and were also a bunch of middle fingers against the old school.
00:27:59.000 Well, and so here's how I know the country's becoming more center-right.
00:28:02.000 If you go on Apple podcasts, Shapiro's podcast is one, Megan Kelly's two, one, two.
00:28:07.000 It's like one, two.
00:28:08.000 And then it's either Walsh or Bongino.
00:28:10.000 And sometimes we get in there, but like top six or seven out of 10 are always conservative podcasts, Megan.
00:28:15.000 What does that tell you?
00:28:16.000 I mean, it's just, you know, jostling.
00:28:19.000 And then you have Bannon's podcast that goes up there and, you know, Candace's.
00:28:23.000 And you look at it.
00:28:24.000 These are superstars that are doing content every day that do not necessarily have big, massive, publicly traded company backing, but also the audience is demanding it.
00:28:34.000 I think it's an increasing pie, isn't it?
00:28:36.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:28:36.000 The audience is demanding it.
00:28:38.000 And look, look what's happened at Fox.
00:28:39.000 They've lost half their audience, you know, in the prime time just over the past few months, but they were hemorrhaging even before the disastrous Tucker decision.
00:28:47.000 So the problem is conservatives have had no place else to go.
00:28:50.000 All they had was Fox.
00:28:52.000 And when Fox was run by Roger Ailes, it was a meaningful place to go.
00:28:56.000 Roger Ailes is no longer there.
00:28:59.000 And God rest his soul.
00:29:00.000 And they've struggled ever since to really understand how he steered the vehicle.
00:29:05.000 And so now the conservative audience understanding that the product, it doesn't feel the same.
00:29:09.000 It isn't giving me the same thing.
00:29:11.000 I don't feel the same way when I watch it.
00:29:14.000 And you can kind of see the corporate levers being pulled, right, by the people who are now in charge to make you like this and make you not like this one.
00:29:21.000 People say, no, I get it.
00:29:22.000 And you know what?
00:29:23.000 I have so many other alternatives.
00:29:25.000 And in a day and age when fact itself is up in the air, like who do I trust?
00:29:30.000 This is the future.
00:29:31.000 You will decide who you trust.
00:29:33.000 It will not be a platform.
00:29:34.000 It will be a person.
00:29:35.000 You'll have a direct relationship with a news anchor or a personality and you'll say, that person doesn't steer me wrong.
00:29:40.000 That's where I'm going to go.
00:29:41.000 It's not going to be the knee jerk I put on CNN because it's the only thing that's on all day and I never turn it off.
00:29:47.000 It's white noise if you're walking through an airport.
00:29:48.000 I don't even think people in airports watch CNN anymore.
00:29:50.000 They don't.
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00:30:57.000 So, Megan, Elon Musk buying Twitter.
00:31:00.000 I believe that we are beginning to win on some big issues because we can finally speak about these issues, where you could put What is a Woman by Matt Walsh up on Twitter uninterrupted, where Tucker can put his Andrew Tate conversation up there.
00:31:14.000 Just kind of being in media and seeing Twitter go from really a Stalinistic Maoist platform to be liberated to now the closest thing we have with Rumble, by the way, which is excellent.
00:31:25.000 You guys should all download the Rumble app, to being an online social media platform.
00:31:30.000 Just talk about, you know, are the bad guys are trying to shut it up?
00:31:34.000 You have threads, you have the federal government going after Elon.
00:31:37.000 How consequential has the liberation of Twitter been in the last 15, 16 months?
00:31:41.000 I mean, I think Elon Musk is emerging as the greatest free speech warrior in modern American history.
00:31:47.000 Thank God for that guy.
00:31:49.000 And listen, he's got the money to do it, but he's losing money on Twitter.
00:31:52.000 You know, Twitter has not been a money maker for him, but it's a public service in a way.
00:31:57.000 You know, I mean, think about it.
00:31:58.000 Like, half the people who have been canceled were canceled because of Twitter, because the Twitter mob came for them and then corporate America bent the knee.
00:32:05.000 That's no longer happening.
00:32:07.000 And the woman issue is the best issue of all. 1.00
00:32:09.000 Like, I haven't joined Threads, the new Mark Zuckerberg thing, but already the left is like wringing its hands about how are they going to do content moderation over there?
00:32:17.000 How are they going to make sure those crazies over at Twitter don't come do here what they did over there?
00:32:21.000 And I would love to join Threads on it.
00:32:23.000 If any of you were on it, try it.
00:32:24.000 Tweet out a woman as an adult human female. 0.99
00:32:27.000 Tweet out Leah Thomas is a man, a man, and see what happens, because that's the stuff that the left was banning on Twitter that led in part to Elon's takeover.
00:32:37.000 So yes, I think it was a huge, huge move that he took over.
00:32:41.000 I think Mark Zuckerberg, who's been okay on Facebook, has been largely a disaster elsewhere.
00:32:48.000 I think his other forces are absolutely a force for evil.
00:32:51.000 Instagram is actually leading directly, I think, to the death and suicide and depression of millions of American girls in particular.
00:32:58.000 So he's no hero.
00:33:00.000 The guy who they're backing now for threads, why is he your hero?
00:33:02.000 Like, why don't you take a look at the Instagram stats?
00:33:04.000 Okay, do some homework.
00:33:06.000 And I think more is better.
00:33:08.000 You know, I hope Tucker does form an independent media company, as the Wall Street Journal reported today.
00:33:14.000 I love the Daily Wire.
00:33:15.000 I love the Blaze.
00:33:16.000 I love what you're doing.
00:33:17.000 Like, we need more, not fewer, competitors in the conservative space because conservative audiences, which are half the country, look at the last election and the vote, have had no choices.
00:33:28.000 And the more our side gets out there with the ability to discuss these issues.
00:33:32.000 And by the way, for the record, our side, by that, I mean the side of reason.
00:33:36.000 Reason.
00:33:37.000 I don't care how you vote.
00:33:39.000 If you're a reasonable person, you can talk about these issues and stand firm on constitutional principles like free speech, then you're with me.
00:33:46.000 I'm with you.
00:33:46.000 The more we can get at that, the better.
00:33:48.000 Team reality, honestly, where you just acknowledge that there is a truth and the truth will set you free.
00:33:54.000 So Megan, I want to close here.
00:33:56.000 We had a great conversation with some of our Turning Point USA students earlier, and you were really moved by this idea of toxic masculinity and how it's spread on campuses.
00:34:07.000 And this is kind of in play right now because of the discussion around Andrew Tate.
00:34:13.000 And I don't want to talk about Andrew Tate because I think he says some smart stuff, but there's a lot there that is obviously very controversial.
00:34:20.000 But Megan, you're a mom to two boys.
00:34:23.000 Yep, and a girl. 0.99
00:34:24.000 And a girl.
00:34:25.000 Just talk about the state of men in America.
00:34:29.000 Well, that discussion was terrifying because these young women were saying they would like to find an alpha male.
00:34:37.000 They would like to find somebody who's not prancing around the college campus with a man bun.
00:34:42.000 And it's getting harder and harder.
00:34:44.000 And his mandals, not hot.
00:34:48.000 Is that all right?
00:34:48.000 I think I speak for most ladies when I say no.
00:34:51.000 It's a no.
00:34:54.000 So I'm worried.
00:34:55.000 I'm worried.
00:34:56.000 My boys are not going to be like that, but I'm actually worried more for my daughter than I am for my boys.
00:35:01.000 Like, our girls need to find good men, men who are strong, men who are leaders, men who are not afraid to lean into being the protector and the brave one when the situation calls for it, with whom to reproduce and make the next generation.
00:35:18.000 It's fine to encourage men to be more open about their feelings.
00:35:23.000 That, you know, in the way that Jordan Peterson encourages, I think that's great.
00:35:27.000 You know, I think men should be honest if they're feeling blue or depressed.
00:35:30.000 Men have, unfortunately, a very high suicide rate.
00:35:33.000 And unlike women, men accomplish it the first time they try. 1.00
00:35:36.000 So it's important that young men and college campuses in particular find a way to talk about how they're feeling, especially if they're not feeling well or happy or all the things.
00:35:45.000 However, that doesn't mean that they need to get closer and closer to being a woman. 0.97
00:35:50.000 It doesn't mean you have to abandon, you know, when my husband and I walk down the street, he makes sure I'm on the inside, right?
00:35:57.000 He's on the outside of the traffic.
00:35:59.000 The little things.
00:36:00.000 If somebody gets in my face, some guy got in my face a few years ago, my husband was right between us, threatening him.
00:36:05.000 I like that.
00:36:07.000 It's not that I can't handle myself.
00:36:08.000 Trust me, I can.
00:36:10.000 It's that I still want a man who wants to do that for me.
00:36:13.000 And I think most women are like that. 1.00
00:36:15.000 And not just that, we want our kids to see that so they can model it.
00:36:20.000 So, Megan, we only have a couple minutes here, but do you think there's an agenda to let's feminize men? 1.00
00:36:26.000 And if so, what would be behind that?
00:36:29.000 Well, I think on the left, I mean, truly, this is a lefty problem.
00:36:33.000 I don't think conservatives are dealing with this.
00:36:34.000 No, we don't.
00:36:35.000 We don't have a big problem.
00:36:37.000 So, I think lefties, like the women, they talk a lot about me too, and they talk about toxic masculinity. 0.96
00:36:45.000 And now there's a cohort of men that thinks they're toxically masculine, and that's somehow bad if they're doing their normal man things.
00:36:53.000 You know, but we need, we need that sort of bold-chested, brave man, which is the instinct of most men in everyday life, in the military, in the police force.
00:37:05.000 I mean, we could go down the list.
00:37:06.000 I don't want, I do not want a Brooklyn Starbucks-sipping pinky-out guy going over and fighting for us overseas, or like, God forbid, the Chinese, and we strike it up. 0.99
00:37:15.000 Like, that's not the army I want.
00:37:17.000 I don't want any more woke military commercials.
00:37:20.000 I don't want any woke police.
00:37:22.000 I want manly men and gruff women out there doing that job. 1.00
00:37:28.000 And you think about you think about who's celebrated.
00:37:40.000 It's Dylan Mulvaney.
00:37:41.000 Oh, trigger.
00:37:43.000 You know.
00:37:43.000 Trigger.
00:37:44.000 So, yeah.
00:37:45.000 You got it.
00:37:45.000 90 seconds, Megan.
00:37:46.000 Dylan Mulvaney, American icon.
00:37:48.000 Oh, my God. 0.98
00:37:50.000 Dylan Mulvaney makes a mockery of women. 0.71
00:37:54.000 He's mocking us and getting paid for it.
00:37:58.000 This person, I don't believe Dylan's transition.
00:38:01.000 I think Dylan is an actor who finally found a way to make the cash he'd been trying to make and failing to when living as a gay man.
00:38:09.000 So Dylan was first a gay man, and then he said he was non-binary, and then he said it was a little girl, then he said he was a woman, now he said he's a lesbian, now he says he wants to get impregnated by a man.
00:38:21.000 I don't understand how that's going to work because he's a man.
00:38:26.000 And we're supposed to go along for this ride and be respectful.
00:38:30.000 No.
00:38:30.000 I'm not respectful of him.
00:38:32.000 He's not respectful of me, my daughter, all of you ladies who are out there.
00:38:37.000 So it's a no for any company that endorses him, partners with him, and for him.
00:38:44.000 Megan Kelly, everybody.
00:38:50.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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00:38:52.000 As always, freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
00:38:56.000 Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.
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