The Charlie Kirk Show - Defending Charlie's Nominees and Charlie's Values

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00:01:10.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 It's Friday, February 13th.

00:01:14.000 It's an ominous sign, isn't it?

00:01:16.000 Yeah, I sell two of those a year.

00:01:17.000 Yeah, well, you know, listen, Friday the 13th, it's a thing.

00:01:20.000 I want to start off today with the nomination of Jeremy Carl in the Senate.

00:01:25.000 Yes.

00:01:26.000 As the Assistant Secretary of.

00:01:29.000 Of state for international organizations, also referred to as assistant secretary of state.

00:01:34.000 It's basically one of our guys who goes to the UN.

00:01:37.000 And if that sounds like an odd thing to focus on, it's not because one of our roles with this show, one of the roles we have with Turning Point USA, is we want to perpetuate Charlie's legacy.

00:01:46.000 And one of the most immediate legacies he has is the people he fought to put in the administration that he campaigned for.

00:01:54.000 These are some of my favorite people.

00:01:56.000 Give them a job in the administration. 0.99

00:01:58.000 We've had Sarah Rogers on the show. 0.59

00:02:00.000 She's one of the people.

00:02:01.000 He really wanted to.

00:02:02.000 She's been a superstar, by the way. 0.73

00:02:03.000 Oh, she's amazing. 0.52

00:02:04.000 We're going to be having her on again soon.

00:02:06.000 She's all sorts of excitement.

00:02:07.000 Can I just say, I literally just did an interview with Politico before the show started, talking about Nate Morris in Kentucky and about how Charlie's endorsement of Nate is still propelling him forward in that race.

00:02:20.000 So it looms large.

00:02:22.000 And yes, to your point, this is an important one here with Jeremy Carr.

00:02:25.000 So Jeremy's another one he wanted.

00:02:26.000 He was a frequent guest in our show.

00:02:27.000 He was the author of The Unprotected Class, which is one of those really strong.

00:02:32.000 Calling out how anti white racism has become this pervasive thing in America.

00:02:37.000 550 is not allowed to talk about it, but he did.

00:02:40.000 And for that, he's been facing persecution. 0.94

00:02:44.000 We'll just say, yeah, persecution because he went before a Senate panel and had these parasites trash him for doing this. 0.92

00:02:51.000 So this is a clip from yesterday, Senator Chris Murphy. 0.76

00:02:55.000 Let's play clip 550.

00:02:57.000 Mr. Carl, I think it's just heartbreaking that you have been nominated for this position and that you've reached.

00:03:04.000 A panel before the United States Senate.

00:03:07.000 One of the things you have said is that anti white discrimination is the most pervasive and politically salient form of racism today.

00:03:16.000 Certainly, this is my belief.

00:03:18.000 I'm not running away from that.

00:03:19.000 I think that while, of course, all races in different contexts can be subject to really severe discrimination, that when we look at our legal structures, white Americans are often very disfavored in overt ways.

00:03:34.000 Which is objectively true.

00:03:35.000 It's completely the stance of this show.

00:03:37.000 Yes.

00:03:38.000 In California right now, they're fighting to change their law to be explicit.

00:03:42.000 Oh, can we actually legally discriminate against white people? 0.83

00:03:45.000 It's too hard for us to do it in the shadows.

00:03:48.000 But in plenty of other states, it is explicitly legal.

00:03:51.000 In our federal government, they've been doing it for ages and they've been throwing temper tantrums at the Trump administration's attempts to roll it back.

00:03:57.000 And he's highlighted that.

00:03:59.000 And for that, they put him in the docket and just try to humiliate him.

00:04:05.000 It's funny because he's, and they're saying he's anti Semite.

00:04:10.000 Yes, anti Semitic. 0.96

00:04:11.000 Well, Jeremy Carl grew up as a Jew, which is hilarious. 1.00

00:04:13.000 You could show these images 560, 561.

00:04:17.000 So, this is Senator Rosen.

00:04:20.000 The Jews love to see themselves as oppressed, is what he said.

00:04:23.000 561. 1.00

00:04:24.000 A post feminist America is one of falling fertility, rapidly rising out of wedlock bursts, religious collapse, and an explosion of latchkey kids. 0.77

00:04:34.000 All true.

00:04:35.000 All 100% true.

00:04:37.000 And that's Shaheen, Senator Shaheen.

00:04:41.000 I don't know what the heck the problem is.

00:04:43.000 It's like they think saying the truth is somehow beyond the pale now.

00:04:49.000 And what's funny is, and we, what's the clip with Booker?

00:04:52.000 This is a fun one.

00:04:53.000 Actually, let's start here.

00:04:54.000 562, I think this is Senator Rosen.

00:04:57.000 562.

00:04:58.000 Mr. Carl is infamous for deleting thousands of his past tweets, but deleting tweets doesn't delete the may recorded podcast interviews, public speeches, or editorials that he's done.

00:05:09.000 As many of my colleagues have and will point out, Mr. Carl's vile anti Semitic comments are very real.

00:05:16.000 Whether or not he tried to erase them, Or excuse them.

00:05:20.000 Some may try to excuse Mr. Carl's remarks, claiming his words were taken out of context, that he never said them, and that his own heritage protects him from criticism.

00:05:30.000 So let me be clear.

00:05:32.000 Identity does not excuse anti Semitism. 0.93

00:05:37.000 Identity does not excuse racism.

00:05:39.000 Identity does not excuse hateful rhetoric.

00:05:42.000 Regardless of who says them, words matter, as my colleagues have said.

00:05:47.000 And she goes on like that for about two minutes.

00:05:49.000 And it's so disgusting to me because this is what they've fixated on.

00:05:52.000 They're going to say this guy is an anti Semite, so we can't appoint him to do President Trump's work at the UN, where Spoilers, one of the main things we do at the UN is we actually have to constantly fend off resolutions that they do to basically attack two groups.

00:06:07.000 They love passing resolutions at the UN to attack Israel, and they love passing resolutions at the UN to attack like settler countries, which always include America. 0.98

00:06:14.000 So they'll do these indigenous rights things, all of that.

00:06:18.000 And he's made it very clear he's going to pursue that agenda.

00:06:22.000 He obviously understands, as Charlie did, that a huge number of the attacks on Israel are ultimately attacks on Western civilization, attacks on white people. 0.68

00:06:32.000 Through that coded lens.

00:06:33.000 And they fixate on him because he said things which Charlie himself did that are basically the constant fights over Israel often derail American politics and are not a good thing.

00:06:42.000 That's what he said.

00:06:43.000 Yeah, no, Jeremy Carl is a completely mainstream, America first, populist, conservative guy.

00:06:53.000 There's nothing that stands out about Jeremy in the sort of ideological sense.

00:06:58.000 The only thing stand out about him is that he's going to be extremely effective in setting right a lot of the wrongs of the sort of You know, transatlantic sort of liberal hegemony, right?

00:07:09.000 So here's one that I just love.

00:07:11.000 This clip with Senator Cory Booker is just amazing. 1.00

00:07:15.000 And we're going to prove just how stupid Senator Cory Booker is on the other side of this. 1.00

00:07:20.000 525. 0.99

00:07:21.000 What do you mean when you say that you believe in the great replacement theory?

00:07:28.000 Senator, thank you for that question.

00:07:31.000 This refers to the intentional demographic replacement of.

00:07:37.000 Europeans in Europe.

00:07:38.000 It was invented by Renaud Camus, who was a French scholar.

00:07:43.000 You think there's an active effort to, quote unquote, replace Americans right now?

00:07:50.000 Senator, I think the Democratic Party, through its immigration policies, has certainly shown signs of that.

00:07:56.000 And I don't understand that.

00:07:58.000 I don't understand that.

00:08:00.000 There's a great tweet that went viral, and it's so good that so much discourse in America is just the left pretending not to understand things because, of course, they understand it.

00:08:09.000 They'll brag about this.

00:08:10.000 They'll have their meetings and they'll say, okay, guys, here's the countdown until white people aren't politically.

00:08:16.000 I mean, Gene Wu, you just had that thing.

00:08:18.000 Hey, guys, we're actually the majority in this area.

00:08:20.000 We should just take over.

00:08:22.000 Wajahat Ali, you know?

00:08:25.000 The mistake you made was letting us in in the first place.

00:08:28.000 There is literally hours of footage from just the 2000s of progressives going on television bragging about the browning of America and how we're going to turn everything Democrat Party.

00:08:41.000 This was the promise of the Obama years that the demographic shifts in America were going to deliver a permanent Democrat majority across the board because brown people vote Democrat. 0.84

00:08:53.000 That was the whole point.

00:08:55.000 There have been left wing NGOs that have literally had a chart that's tracing out.

00:08:59.000 The white percentage of America in the future, and they highlight the year it goes below 50%. 0.65

00:09:04.000 And so that's what's going on.

00:09:04.000 Yep.

00:09:05.000 And I want to just make sure we hit this in this segment that Utah Senator John Curtis, a former Democrat, but somehow now got himself elected as a Republican, has said that for now he's opposing Jeremy Carl's nomination.

00:09:19.000 After reviewing his record and participating in today's hearing, I'm not convinced that Jeremy Carl is the right person to represent our nation's best interests in international forums.

00:09:28.000 And I find his anti Israel views and insensitive remarks about Jews unbecoming.

00:09:32.000 Coming of the position for which he has been nominated, Curtis tells Deseret News.

00:09:36.000 So we got rid of Romney and now we've got, you know, Tamu Romney here, John Curtis.

00:09:43.000 So I'm going to, we're going to hold our, you know, most strident opposition to Mr. Curtis and hope he corrects course here.

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00:12:30.000 So, we're going to show you just how dumb Cory Booker is. 1.00

00:12:34.000 Spartacus. 0.99

00:12:36.000 I want to play these two clips back to back.

00:12:38.000 We just played one in the first segment, but I want to play it again.

00:12:40.000 And then I'm going to juxtapose it with one of the all time favorite clips of Charlie on this show 525 and then 563.

00:12:52.000 What do you mean when you say that you believe in the great replacement theory?

00:12:58.000 Senator, thank you for that question.

00:13:02.000 This refers to the intentional demographic replacement of Europeans in Europe.

00:13:09.000 It was invented by Renaud Camus, who was a French scholar.

00:13:13.000 You think there's an active effort to, quote unquote, replace Americans right now?

00:13:21.000 Senator, I think the Democratic Party, through its immigration policies, has certainly shown signs of that.

00:13:27.000 And I don't understand that.

00:13:30.000 I don't understand that.

00:13:32.000 I don't understand that.

00:13:34.000 563.

00:13:35.000 Here's the Castro brothers.

00:13:36.000 Great throwback.

00:13:37.000 Texas is a very, very Republican state.

00:13:40.000 But some people say the demographics are changing, and the demographics alone will make that it won't be so Republican next time around.

00:13:48.000 In a couple of presidential cycles, you'll be on election night.

00:13:52.000 You'll be announcing that we're calling the 38 electoral votes of Texas for the Democratic nominee for president.

00:13:58.000 It's changing.

00:13:59.000 It's going to become a purple state and then a blue state because of the demographics, because of the population growth.

00:14:04.000 Of folks from outside of Texas.

00:14:06.000 Oh, no, I think that's right.

00:14:07.000 But it's not going to happen on its own.

00:14:09.000 The demographics are changing, but it's going to take a lot of work from Democrats to lay the infrastructure for change.

00:14:15.000 So we're very busy working on that now.

00:14:18.000 Oh, okay.

00:14:19.000 So the demographics are changing in Texas.

00:14:21.000 That's how they plan to change Texas.

00:14:23.000 Here's the truth Democrats have not won the white vote in a national election.

00:14:27.000 Yeah.

00:14:28.000 And they're highly aware of this in generations.

00:14:31.000 So they cannot win with the historical American population. 0.77

00:14:36.000 So they have banked on Bring in a new population.

00:14:40.000 Yeah, so what they do is.

00:14:41.000 They'll even write about, oh, the betrayal where they didn't do as well with a Hispanic vote in 2024.

00:14:45.000 And, like, oh, it's a betrayal.

00:14:48.000 Guys, the plan might have gone awry.

00:14:50.000 And they'll try to repeat it again.

00:14:52.000 That's part of what the Biden operation was if people are assimilating too quickly to not being Democrats, we might have to really flood the zone.

00:15:00.000 Let's let in 15 million people, amnesty them. 0.93

00:15:03.000 That'll lock it in.

00:15:04.000 Well, and I'm going to have Danny pull this Social Security numbers.

00:15:09.000 The Biden administration.

00:15:10.000 In 2024, they gave out a record number of social security numbers just to try and juice the election.

00:15:18.000 I'm convinced.

00:15:19.000 I mean, we're talking, if we get the graph here, I really want to find it.

00:15:23.000 It is stark.

00:15:25.000 The difference between basically every other year and then 2024, they surged it. 0.99

00:15:28.000 If you don't think for a second that they're not banking on demographic change to change the political future of this country, you are a fool and you're not paying attention. 0.98

00:15:40.000 And I find this that younger people, Conservatives understand this completely. 0.98

00:15:45.000 The older you get, the more you're operating under an old paradigm where you, I don't know if it's a civil rights hangover.

00:15:52.000 There you go.

00:15:52.000 Look at 2024.

00:15:54.000 That's how many social security cards that the numbers that the Biden administration rushed, surged to get out.

00:16:02.000 And candidly, in 2025, it's still too high.

00:16:05.000 But it was probably a backlog, I'm told, from Biden pushing things through.

00:16:10.000 So hopefully that number drops back down to where it should be.

00:16:13.000 But that was intentional.

00:16:15.000 Big rush of naturalizations, too.

00:16:17.000 They were trying to rubber stamp as many new citizenships as soon as they could.

00:16:21.000 This was covered in the New York Times and other publications.

00:16:25.000 No, this is a big thing.

00:16:26.000 I think.

00:16:27.000 We wanted to highlight the Jeremy Carl instance because, you know, we do this with DEI.

00:16:34.000 We do this with trans.

00:16:35.000 You know, we looked at 2024 as this great rebuke of the excesses of woke, the excesses of radical progressivism.

00:16:42.000 And yet we see this with Mamdani.

00:16:44.000 We see this in Seattle with their mayor, Brandon Johnson in Chicago, what happened in Minneapolis.

00:16:49.000 Woke is not dead.

00:16:51.000 Woke took a beating in 2024, and it has these little pockets of power.

00:16:58.000 These strongholds, and they're going to regather their constitution and they're going to try and push out and expand again.

00:17:05.000 And you just see this with the Democrats in the Senate about Jeremy Carl, a man, once again, extremely competent, extremely qualified, who holds mainstream conservative views when it comes to race, populism, national sovereignty, immigration, replacement immigration.

00:17:21.000 These are not controversial at all for half of America.

00:17:24.000 And they walk into that Senate chamber and they go completely hysterical.

00:17:30.000 Acting completely shocked about the fact that we think any of these things.

00:17:33.000 This is not a surprise anymore.

00:17:35.000 We know it's happening.

00:17:36.000 You guys have been called on it a ton, and we have immunities. 0.96

00:17:39.000 We built up immunities as a conservative movement to use garbage. 0.96

00:17:42.000 Most of us. 0.98

00:17:43.000 Because apparently, the senator from Utah is.

00:17:47.000 Listen, that's a whole other thing.

00:17:48.000 Listen, the senator from Utah, Senator Curtis, throw up his picture, would you?

00:17:53.000 So people know this guy's new.

00:17:54.000 He's new.

00:17:55.000 I believe he's the one who replaced Romney.

00:17:59.000 This guy has been.

00:18:01.000 I mean, I think he's kind of flown under the radar a little bit, mostly.

00:18:05.000 He's kind of gone along, get along, you know, to, he goes along to get along mostly.

00:18:10.000 And listen, if that's going to be what your choice is in the Senate, fine, we'll live with it.

00:18:16.000 But there has been so many troubling moments with this guy that he is a squish, he is an establishment guy. 0.99

00:18:26.000 Here's your offer.

00:18:29.000 Don't do this with Jeremy Carl.

00:18:31.000 And we're going to move on and we're going to forget about you.

00:18:34.000 We're not going to forget, but we're going to let this one go.

00:18:37.000 But, man, if you try and draw a line on Jeremy Carl, we will make loud noises.

00:18:43.000 We will continue coming after you.

00:18:45.000 We will not forget, Mr. Curtis, because this is obscene.

00:18:49.000 And again, we'll end where we started.

00:18:52.000 Charlie believed in Jeremy Carl.

00:18:54.000 Charlie fought to get Jeremy Carl into this administration, and we will continue that mission without flinching, Mr. Curtis.

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00:20:16.000 So we have Sagar and Jetty.

00:20:17.000 We've had him on a few times to talk about, we talked about property taxes.

00:20:21.000 Definitely inspired a very strong reaction among our viewers.

00:20:25.000 We still have hate mail coming in.

00:20:26.000 Oh, still.

00:20:27.000 People will still send that in.

00:20:28.000 But no regrets.

00:20:29.000 But he's also been a very vocal person.

00:20:32.000 He was one of the ones.

00:20:33.000 I would say over the last few years, one of the loudest voices against marijuana, which we also discussed with Alex Berenson yesterday.

00:20:41.000 He was really one of the other ones beating the drum.

00:20:43.000 He had a very viral tweet pointing out the sheer number of people who've gotten addicted to marijuana.

00:20:49.000 And then he's really getting vindicated because now with the New York Times coming out and some others admitting actually the rush to legalizing it and subsidizing it.

00:20:59.000 So he gets to take a bow.

00:21:00.000 Putting it, everyone.

00:21:01.000 Big mistake.

00:21:02.000 Sagar, are you there?

00:21:03.000 Yeah, take a little victory lap here for a second.

00:21:06.000 Thank you very much, gentlemen.

00:21:07.000 Look, it's not a victory lap because a victory lap for me is a tragedy for our country.

00:21:11.000 We have millions, tens of millions, almost 5% of the U.S. population, a significant part of our adult population, which is using marijuana, high potency marijuana, on a daily basis.

00:21:22.000 This is lobotomizing a significant portion of our population.

00:21:25.000 It lowers IQ, it lowers testosterone, it's dangerous for pregnant women. 0.99

00:21:28.000 I mean, we could go down so many of the lists.

00:21:31.000 The number one pushback that I get, and I will say, gentlemen, you may find this shocking.

00:21:35.000 I have spoken about the most controversial issues.

00:21:38.000 Of the time, ICE, BLM, and everything.

00:21:40.000 I have received hate mail many times, daylight savings, property tax.

00:21:44.000 As you said, nothing inspires more hatred for me personally than talking about the ills of marijuana.

00:21:50.000 And in particular, the one I hear the most is about so called medical benefits.

00:21:55.000 I need to remind everyone that a massive study just came out, not even three months ago, written up by the New York Times, by JAMA, major medical journals, that shows that all of the claims, almost all the claims about medical marijuana, are completely fake.

00:22:09.000 And I think that what's something very insidious and dangerous.

00:22:12.000 About this drug is the worship of it by many of its users.

00:22:16.000 People who are alcoholics do not try to justify their alcohol use by saying that it's curing them.

00:22:22.000 It's a shameful activity.

00:22:23.000 And frankly, I think it should be.

00:22:25.000 Like, if you need to drink every single day to function, like, you have a real problem.

00:22:29.000 And I think that exactly the same thing of marijuana, except its proponents will say that there's nothing wrong with that.

00:22:34.000 Our cultural norms around marijuana are encouraging high potency indulgence by huge segments of our population.

00:22:42.000 There is no proper Regulation.

00:22:44.000 And unfortunately, you know, a significant part of both bipartisan America are being seduced by what is now big weed.

00:22:52.000 I mean, these people make big tobacco look like choir boys with the way that they have been lobbying not only this administration, but others to get Americans as hooked on this drug as possible and to keep out responsible voices who are warning about its problems, just like Alex Berenson did with Tell Your Children, which I highly recommend.

00:23:10.000 If you are a parent, you need to buy that book, you need to read it, and you need to keep your kids away from this substance.

00:23:15.000 Now, Sagar, so.

00:23:18.000 We agree with you, but we get a lot of emails.

00:23:20.000 We got several just yesterday.

00:23:21.000 We got a lot of hate mail.

00:23:22.000 Hate mail, but also people.

00:23:23.000 We had the ones who said, I got cancer or I have cancer and I take it and I think it helps with it a great deal.

00:23:32.000 Do you think those stories are authentic or do you think they're confusing maybe other medical effects with marijuana?

00:23:38.000 Yeah.

00:23:38.000 I mean, Blake, as we've said, you know, the anecdata is not data and the actual medical review of these claims does not hold scrutiny.

00:23:46.000 And by the way, you know, one of the biggest pushbacks I get is like, why don't you talk about alcohol?

00:23:49.000 I don't drink alcohol.

00:23:50.000 I believe Charlie stayed away from it as well.

00:23:52.000 I used to.

00:23:52.000 You know, we all talked about that previously.

00:23:55.000 And, you know, I'll happily talk about some of the dangers of that.

00:23:59.000 But again, alcoholics are not trying to justify their alcohol use.

00:24:03.000 You know, one of the things I've also warned about there was a more recent study, I believe it was out of the state of Ohio or Michigan.

00:24:08.000 I need to go back and to check, but it did show that a significant portion of driver deaths, whenever they checked their blood, had high levels of THC, such potent enough for them to cause impairment in driving.

00:24:20.000 People who, you know, go after alcohol like to talk about correctly DWIs.

00:24:24.000 And impaired driving, but everybody seems to ignore that we have a significant enough cannabis crisis for people who are driving while high.

00:24:31.000 Nobody, nobody is paying attention to these.

00:24:34.000 So I would just say to that person, the same way I talk to people whenever I talk about the dangers of SSRIs, it may have made you feel as if it worked in that case.

00:24:42.000 But in a longitudinal study, we see that it does not hold even close to the same benefit, let's say of things with not even near the amount of danger, like exercise andor diet.

00:24:53.000 So these claims, while we can take individually, when we study them in the long term, We see that on the whole, they do not hold up as promised.

00:25:02.000 And look, like, not to get lewd, but just yesterday, you know, as a joke, I was tweeting about cannabis suppositories, which I did not know was a thing.

00:25:10.000 And yeah, so that's a thing.

00:25:12.000 It's extremely high potent.

00:25:14.000 And, you know, the criticism I got is like, you're making fun of cancer patients.

00:25:18.000 And I went to the website, which is selling these cannabis suppositories.

00:25:22.000 And what's the very first thing that it says?

00:25:23.000 A discrete ways to use cannabis, right?

00:25:26.000 Like, even the sellers are in on the joke.

00:25:29.000 They use medical marijuana as a claim to try and give it some veneer of health when in reality, this is about addiction.

00:25:37.000 And it's a tragic story.

00:25:39.000 You know, marijuana is not a costless drug.

00:25:42.000 I highly recommend people, you know, read Alex Berenson's book about psychosis.

00:25:46.000 Check out Andrew Huberman's work on the topic as well.

00:25:49.000 It's ruining your sleep.

00:25:51.000 If you're a young man in particular, if you want to have a family, its effect on testosterone, on your ability to have children, people are not telling you the truth.

00:25:59.000 And then similarly, With a lot of pregnant women.

00:26:01.000 Every pregnant woman in America knows you should stay away from alcohol.

00:26:04.000 Unfortunately, because of this medical worship culture around marijuana, they are using marijuana in some cases for pain relief or others because they believe the propaganda of costlessness.

00:26:14.000 And it is already causing problems for children in the womb, not to mention the explosion of something called cannabis hypermesis syndrome, which you can all look up.

00:26:24.000 Scromiting is an effect where you're just like significantly vomiting people, you know, children, teenagers, and others who are vaping this very high potency drug.

00:26:33.000 Ask any ER doctor in your life.

00:26:35.000 They will know exactly what I am talking about.

00:26:38.000 This is a crisis, it's a full blown crisis.

00:26:40.000 Yeah, I was going to say that the two things that hit me, what you're talking about, Sager, is the driving while high.

00:26:46.000 This is, I mean, high school kids, this is a famous, famous thing for high school kids.

00:26:51.000 They think it's like a joke.

00:26:52.000 So I think you're absolutely right.

00:26:54.000 We should make progress on passing laws that, you know, maybe we already have them, but like actually enforcing them.

00:27:01.000 So that's one thing.

00:27:02.000 Young men and the schizophrenia thing, you saw the Brett Cooper tweet that went viral.

00:27:06.000 That's another, because THC is so much more potent now than it was, you know, back in the 60s and 70s.

00:27:12.000 Here's the last pushback that we got as far as emails yesterday.

00:27:15.000 And by the way, people, feel free to email us freedom at charliekirk.com and give us your thoughts.

00:27:20.000 I know a lot of you disagree with this.

00:27:22.000 There's a libertarian streak in the conservative movement, especially when it comes to marijuana.

00:27:27.000 They say, hey, listen, these things are all legal cigarettes, drinking, you know, marijuana should be considered the same.

00:27:33.000 What is your pushback directly to that libertarian?

00:27:36.000 Like, just don't get, you know, get off my lawn, government.

00:27:37.000 Don't tell me what to do.

00:27:38.000 Leave me alone.

00:27:39.000 I hear you.

00:27:40.000 I hear you loud and clear.

00:27:42.000 However, we accept.

00:27:43.000 As a society, that total freedom would be anarchy.

00:27:46.000 And so we have to have well established norms.

00:27:48.000 And when your freedom begins to have high levels of societal costs and cause danger and medical crises and significantly ramp up, let's say, you know, violence in some cases, you know, by the way, guys, we haven't even talked about the mass shooter angle.

00:28:02.000 The number of mass shooters who are cannabis addicts is unbelievable, even though it's a relatively small subset.

00:28:08.000 So SSRI certainly should be discussed, but that's another angle through which we should.

00:28:12.000 The point around it is that nobody is saying, at least me, I am not saying.

00:28:16.000 That you holding a dime bag should send you to jail.

00:28:20.000 What I am saying is that we need very well established norms and regulation to keep these companies, which are selling these products of extremely high potency with no limits on advertising, no actual analysis of its claims, no safeguards to try and keep it away from children.

00:28:39.000 And I encourage people to try and to think in that way.

00:28:41.000 This is a normative conversation in the beginning.

00:28:44.000 Like, really, what I'm talking about here is culture, perhaps more than anything.

00:28:48.000 The same way.

00:28:49.000 That we have conquered smoking in the United States largely.

00:28:52.000 Same with drinking at some of the higher echelons of society.

00:28:55.000 We've seen drinking come down significantly.

00:28:57.000 We need to do the same thing with weed.

00:29:00.000 I'm just thinking about the tragedy of, like, because we had that peak where, oh, actually, marijuana is great.

00:29:06.000 And in fact, it has health benefits of anything.

00:29:09.000 There's no drugs.

00:29:10.000 When we started to legalize it, it wasn't even just, oh, it's legal now.

00:29:14.000 We were getting Democrats having these bills to subsidize it.

00:29:20.000 Former convicted drug dealers, like black Americans, could open their own weed stores so we could have as many weed stores as possible in low income neighborhoods. 1.00

00:29:30.000 And I'm just thinking, we're going to look back at this in 10 years, 15, 20, and that'll be the new argument they use to prove why America is racist. 0.67

00:29:38.000 They'll say, not only did they legalize weed, they subsidized putting weed into black neighborhoods. 0.98

00:29:44.000 And it's going to be so hard to explain.

00:29:45.000 No, actually, that is what liberals were doing as a do gooder thing.

00:29:49.000 You know, I'm thinking like, Tyler Robinson and his like Lance Twigs.

00:29:53.000 Yes.

00:29:54.000 The shooter in Tumblr Ridge the other day apparently was taking a bunch of them.

00:29:57.000 You think about the delivery mechanisms of modern weed with vaping versus you go back into your mind like what the hippies were doing.

00:30:05.000 It's like the hippies would get around a bong and it would be like this. 0.92

00:30:09.000 They had like an actual plant and it took off some mountain.

00:30:12.000 But it was like almost, it was just, it took a lot more effort, right?

00:30:16.000 To get around, you had to get it all ready.

00:30:18.000 And now it's like, oh, you're just sitting on the couch watching TV vaping.

00:30:22.000 And it's just the, and by the way, the dosage is so much higher.

00:30:25.000 It's like that, it's so much easier to make it a chronic repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat kind of like usage thing.

00:30:32.000 It becomes much more habitual.

00:30:35.000 But another component of all of this, which cannot be lost, is that when marijuana is legalized, you invite corporate actors that are very, very good at making things addictive.

00:30:51.000 The operative question, the most important question, will more people using weed make America a stronger, better, happier, more joyful country 50 years from now, or less so?

00:31:03.000 Some people say it will make it that way.

00:31:06.000 I completely disagree.

00:31:07.000 I think the data is totally different.

00:31:08.000 That was Charlie on the marijuana threat.

00:31:11.000 We obviously want to highlight that because he was a big fighter, even when it was super unpopular.

00:31:16.000 Man, the emails he would get.

00:31:17.000 You guys would meet him.

00:31:18.000 He'd fight him off.

00:31:20.000 He was always a warrior.

00:31:21.000 He didn't care if he took a bunch of hate for it.

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00:32:24.000 We want to pivot into another topic because Sagar's very good on this one as well the Epstein files, the infamous ones.

00:32:30.000 But we wanted to have a specific hook.

00:32:32.000 There was an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal the other day by Barton Swain, and he argues the Jeffrey Epstein files were supposed to uncover the financiers' sex trafficking and blackmail operations.

00:32:44.000 They haven't for the excellent reason that there were no such operations.

00:32:49.000 So, we've had guests from both sides of the spectrum saga, some arguing, actually, one argued the real villain in the story, he says, is Virginia Guthrie herself, that she was a fabulist and she kind of created the big conspiracy theories out of nothing.

00:33:03.000 And, like, Epstein might be sleazy.

00:33:06.000 He did like underage girls, but that was the limit of what his wrongdoing was.

00:33:10.000 Now, I know you have generally been a believer in, we'll call it the big tent Epstein theory, that there is.

00:33:16.000 A lot that is still hidden, a lot to be found.

00:33:19.000 So, what are you currently thinking with all the files that have been released?

00:33:22.000 I understand that argument.

00:33:24.000 However, I often find that they're arguing against a straw man as if that was the only claim, let's say, in the Big Ten community.

00:33:31.000 And say that if you were to widen your aperture, that the confirmation of the core claim, which was that Epstein was obviously involved in a highly powerful network that involved governments and intelligence agencies, that you really can't ignore all of the evidence that we now have, not only from the files, but from the previous release that happened before, as well as a lot of the information that was already in the open source environment.

00:33:53.000 And so, one of the things I find very frustrating is that, yes, there became this kind of what I would call like a low IQ conspiracy of a client list where they would say blackmail tape and then.

00:34:03.000 So, he would write exactly next to it what he blackmailed for.

00:34:05.000 I'm sorry.

00:34:06.000 I mean, I think it's a very unsophisticated understanding of how power, influence, and yes, in some cases, blackmail works.

00:34:12.000 But it also ignores, frankly, the memo where Epstein memorialized to himself some very salacious claims that were made against Bill Gates.

00:34:20.000 And, guys, I can tell you, having had access to tens of thousands of Epstein's hacked emails that I read through, I would venture to say I read through every single one.

00:34:27.000 He was very often in the business of sending himself exactly these types of emails, memos, and others.

00:34:33.000 To memorialize certain conversations, send them to lawyers, and keep tabs on other individuals.

00:34:38.000 Now, smoking guns largely do not exist.

00:34:40.000 For people who are in law enforcement, they will understand what I am saying.

00:34:44.000 You have to be able to connect the dots.

00:34:46.000 And what we see is not only all of the compromising photos that have been released, let's say of Lord Mandelson, of Prince Andrew, many of these other rich and powerful people, but it really belies what I would say the ignoring by a lot of the people who don't want to see a bigger network here of Epstein's work with these intelligence agencies.

00:35:05.000 And the reason why.

00:35:06.000 The intelligence agency question is central and the most important is that his usefulness to this very powerful network of governments, intelligence agencies all across the world, not just one single intelligence agency, is what enabled him to get away with some of his more salacious activities that everybody else likes to focus on.

00:35:25.000 No, listen, I think the intelligence, I tend to be, I lean more on your side here because his whole rise to power, his whole, how rich he got, the Les Wexner connections, this revelation that Lex.

00:35:41.000 Has now been listed in the files as a co conspirator.

00:35:44.000 The question about when are we going to see indictments?

00:35:46.000 We were told actually yesterday by Chip Roy that he asked Pam Bondi specifically if some of these other investigations are ongoing and can we expect some indictments?

00:35:56.000 Apparently, yes is the answer that they're working on the co conspirators.

00:36:01.000 But I tend to think that he was connected to Intel.

00:36:03.000 And I agree.

00:36:04.000 There's this, I think, a low IQ take on what that means.

00:36:07.000 It's like, here's your $10 million.

00:36:09.000 Now, You know, send these arm shipments over here and then we're going to like bury it over here.

00:36:15.000 People think of it in very black and white terms.

00:36:18.000 He was very good at insinuating, at reminding people of what he knew, that he was keeping tabs on everything.

00:36:25.000 And it's a soft power.

00:36:27.000 And you're right, it enabled him to get away with this really gross lifestyle over the years that was a, you know, people kind of turn the other cheek to.

00:36:34.000 So I tend to think, I tend to agree that I think he was connected internationally.

00:36:38.000 I think he had a power play.

00:36:41.000 But I do tend to think that the sex thing, which is what a lot of people hang their hat on, is probably less.

00:36:48.000 Salacious than people want to believe because Virginia Guffrey was the one that recruited a lot of these young women, underage women.

00:36:56.000 And they were taught to tell Jeffrey Epstein, oh, I'm 18 and everything's fine and put on makeup and dress a certain way. 1.00

00:37:04.000 There's no question that Virginia Guffrey had her own problems.

00:37:06.000 And I don't want to totally besmirch the dead either.

00:37:09.000 We shouldn't forget that she committed suicide and she really was driven toward, she had a torturous life.

00:37:14.000 And we also saw a lot of images that showed that she did certainly have a lot of connections inside of Epstein's universe.

00:37:21.000 I want to come back to what you said.

00:37:23.000 And then let's also do what investigators do.

00:37:25.000 They rule out other possibilities.

00:37:27.000 One of the reasons why rich people said they associated with Epstein was tax advice.

00:37:31.000 Well, now we have access to millions of his emails.

00:37:33.000 There's no tax advice in there.

00:37:34.000 Zero.

00:37:34.000 Leon Black, the head of the Apollo group, who was worth $9 billion, said he paid him $150 million for tax advice.

00:37:41.000 Can't find a single email of any tax advice.

00:37:43.000 The only advice that I found is he found like a Business Insider article and sent it to one of his accountants.

00:37:48.000 Sorry, that doesn't pass muster.

00:37:50.000 Second with Les Wexner, he was the greatest financial mind I've ever seen.

00:37:53.000 As I said, I've read his.

00:37:55.000 Unredacted emails, which I gained access to.

00:37:58.000 There is no sophisticated financial engineering going on.

00:38:01.000 You can also read Jason Leopold over at Bloomberg News.

00:38:04.000 He read through it.

00:38:05.000 The only real thing we can come away with how he made his money is either blackmail and other types of criminality.

00:38:12.000 For example, what is UK politics exploding over right now?

00:38:16.000 Insider trading over being given a heads up by Lord Mandelson about an upcoming bailout.

00:38:22.000 Similarly, trading information, let's say with Prince Andrew, who at the time was the UK trade advisor.

00:38:27.000 That Is the actual glimpse into how he made his money.

00:38:30.000 But remember, the intelligence connection is important because it goes to the beginning.

00:38:34.000 This is a person with a fake Austrian passport at the height of the Cold War, long before he is a multi millionaire or even a billionaire.

00:38:42.000 Vienna, by the way, was what?

00:38:44.000 The capital of spies and the nexus of East and West.

00:38:47.000 This is a person in a relationship with the Khashoggi family, with the Lease family, who are at the heart and center of Iran Contra. 0.96

00:38:53.000 This is a person who is involved in hundred million dollar Ponzi schemes, in some cases, stealing some of the money from there, and an expert in money laundering.

00:39:01.000 Moving money across the globe, which is what enabled these arms deals with Israel, with the Cote d'Ivoire, with Russia, with everything.

00:39:09.000 That is his expertise.

00:39:10.000 Blake, are you beginning to, are you more convinced?

00:39:13.000 That was pretty compelling from Sager, all those connections.

00:39:16.000 The early stuff, so.

00:39:18.000 I think I've talked to you about this in other venues, Sagar, but I always wonder there's a person you might be familiar with.

00:39:23.000 I don't want to name him right now, but I kind of just wonder if maybe the skeleton key of Epstein is he's just a.

00:39:30.000 Scammer who's like almost a pathological liar. 0.90

00:39:32.000 He's lying all of the time. 0.93

00:39:34.000 And so it would make sense for him to, like, the answer to why he gets rich.

00:39:38.000 The New York Times wrote about this a few months ago that it seems the secret to how he got rich is he may have just kind of scammed people or robbed people.

00:39:45.000 Well, he robbed Les Wexter.

00:39:46.000 Yeah, like Les Wexter basically says, oh, he embezzled money.

00:39:48.000 Like he impressed me.

00:39:50.000 And then he just started stealing like crazy.

00:39:52.000 And before you have the internet, before you have as much financial sophistication as we have now, it was easier to get away with that.

00:39:59.000 Reputation matters more.

00:40:00.000 You might have more people who would say, I got scammed and I have to sort of just shrug and go with it because otherwise I'm too humiliated to keep my business going.

00:40:08.000 And I wonder if that is sort of the answer.

00:40:10.000 And that could go to the Intel thing.

00:40:11.000 What if it's less that he was super plugged in with Intel and more that he would let everyone believe he was super plugged in with Intel and he would feed this narrative?

00:40:21.000 Like, what if the answer is just Epstein was really charismatic, really good at tricking and leading people along, and really good at robbing people?

00:40:28.000 Yeah, the ultimate con artist.

00:40:29.000 It would be possible if we didn't have evidence of him brokering Israeli military sales to Cote d'Ivoire.

00:40:35.000 That's another thing, is not just Cote d'Ivoire to Mongolia, making a security agreement between those two countries.

00:40:41.000 He's at the nexus of an FSB agent who is a graduate, sorry, an FSB graduate of the Academy in Russia, who becomes the head of a major economic development fund in St. Petersburg, who he then later emails for help in getting rid of a woman who is blackmailing very rich people in New York City, including sending her his address asking for help.

00:41:03.000 I mean, I'm sorry, like this does not pass the Sorry if I shouldn't curse, but it doesn't pass muster for this idea that he was a scammer because we have too much concrete evidence of his actual dealings with all of these arms trafficking networks, including with other intelligence agencies.

00:41:22.000 Another very important email I found in the files this is a file where you see an email exchange between Ehud Barak, the former prime minister of Israel, and Epstein.

00:41:30.000 Ehud is meeting with the Qatari investment fund right before Epstein says, by the way, please remind them I don't work for Mossad.

00:41:38.000 Right, with the smiley face that's there.

00:41:41.000 Eud Barak says, You or I, smiley.

00:41:43.000 And Epstein says, Both.

00:41:45.000 And in these cases, it's pretty clear that the Qataris thought he did work for Mossad.

00:41:49.000 Now, maybe, like you guys said, this is all part of an illusion.

00:41:52.000 But there is a bit of a joking nature between Eud Barak and his relationship here with Epstein.

00:41:58.000 Eud Barak, by the way, was also the former head of the military intelligence.

00:42:01.000 He helped Epstein, by the way, funded millions of dollars into one of his defense technology startups, a Palantir esque spyware type system.

00:42:10.000 Which we have long seen that we use private conduits, people like Epstein, to fund some of these black activities that happen outside of the normal official parameters of the CIA. 0.64

00:42:22.000 By the way, bringing it back to Iran Contra, maybe some of the audience doesn't even know what I'm talking about.

00:42:27.000 The reason why Iran Contra was so significant is that it was the CIA and the intelligence community that was doing what it had always done, except now we're in a post church committee environment.

00:42:38.000 So after the church committee, with real oversight by the United States government and Congress, they can no longer just You know, fund arms here, traffic some drugs there, send arms to over here.

00:42:48.000 What they have to do is use these arms dealing sketchy conduits like Epstein, like Khashoggi, like we have Douglas Lee, so many others that were implicated in the scheme.

00:42:58.000 You need these individuals.

00:43:00.000 The CIA cannot just open up a bank account that says CIA down in Nicaragua.

00:43:05.000 You need people who are highly sophisticated money launderers.

00:43:09.000 Jeffrey Epstein worked at Bear Stearns under Ace Greenberg, remember, with zero experience after supposedly meeting him while he was.

00:43:16.000 Teaching his son at the Dalton School in the 1970s.

00:43:20.000 CEO of Bear Stearns hires him.

00:43:22.000 And he gets fired from Bear Stearns, allegedly because dealing in some of these sketchy activities.

00:43:27.000 But it's not like he's cut out entirely.

00:43:29.000 He goes and he opens his own investment management fund, except there's no evidence of any real investments or anything made.

00:43:35.000 In the 1980s, he declares that he will only manage the money of people worth over $1 billion, which is extraordinary.

00:43:42.000 There were like 11 people in the world who were worth $1 billion or so at that time.

00:43:47.000 Nothing passes the smell test in every single one of these cases.

00:43:51.000 And it all points to a very sophisticated.

00:43:53.000 What I think is a money laundering operation that at times intersected with the intelligence community, the CIA, by the way.

00:43:59.000 One of the important things from the files is Epstein foiling the CIA for any mention of himself in the year 1999.

00:44:06.000 So, and then again in the year 2011.

00:44:08.000 Well, so I think that my conclusion here is approximately this that when you are a business and you put out an RFP, right, for a request for proposal, and there's a couple of different people that could meet your needs.

00:44:25.000 And then they send you back what they can do, and then you pick one.

00:44:28.000 I think Epstein was just a gun for hire out there that if you wanted to do something sketchy, maybe he could kind of facilitate it here, make it look kind of by the books or whatever.

00:44:38.000 And that was about it.

00:44:39.000 And he knew a lot of people, so he had a lot of connections.

00:44:43.000 He was sort of a known commodity in this sort of seedy underworld.

00:44:49.000 But he kept an air of being a legitimate financier.

00:44:53.000 So did he work for Mossad?

00:44:55.000 Sometimes.

00:44:55.000 Did he work for the CIA?

00:44:57.000 Sometimes.

00:44:58.000 Did he work for the Russians? 0.97

00:44:59.000 Sometimes.

00:45:00.000 I have one last question for you, Sager, and then we've got probably one minute.

00:45:05.000 So, at this hearing with Pam Bondi, you had all these victims stand up behind.

00:45:10.000 But then I find out, because I was looking at Michael Tracy's Twitter, they were all adults at the time when the sexual activities happened.

00:45:22.000 They were getting money, some of them were getting cars, kickbacks, whatever, tuition, How is this different than just prostitution, which would be sort of consensual?

00:45:34.000 I'm confused there because victims wouldn't, you think that they're underage or something.

00:45:38.000 What's your take on that?

00:45:39.000 Well, Andrew, I would challenge you very hard on that.

00:45:42.000 I mean, I thought we were here on a conservative show.

00:45:44.000 I don't believe that there is any such thing really as like consensual or sex work and not deeply exploitative as an industry.

00:45:51.000 No, no, no.

00:45:52.000 I think it's incredibly deeply exploitative.

00:45:54.000 But again, it gets to this point of I think what I'm.

00:45:59.000 Pushing back against is this idea that there was like, I think because the narrative is that there's all these underage girls that got, you know, trapped and drugged and done to do things against sacrifice.

00:46:12.000 Yeah, like, and really it was basic prostitution, is what it seems like.

00:46:15.000 He would no recruitment.

00:46:16.000 It was basic prostitution in the cases that you're talking about.

00:46:19.000 But remember, even in the original indictment in which he ends up where he's charged, that he does admit to a 17 year old and a 14 year old was also there.

00:46:26.000 It's all in the documents.

00:46:27.000 You can go and read for yourself.

00:46:29.000 That's fair.

00:46:30.000 Yeah, no, no, no. 0.84

00:46:31.000 I really just pushed back hard against this idea because, like, flying women across the world to have sex with them is an expressed violation of the Mann Act. 1.00

00:46:40.000 Oh, I think it's completely illegal.

00:46:42.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:46:42.000 Conservatives, we have to stand up and be like, absolutely not.

00:46:45.000 Like, we protect women who are being deeply exploited in these Eastern European countries, sold false bills of goods, who are saying they're going to some model, being pressured on an island, like you're saying in the 1990s or in the 2000s when there's no internet or able to escape.

00:47:00.000 So, you know, I'm, look, I may be getting a bit prickly on this, but.

00:47:04.000 You know, just because people are of age doesn't mean that they're not being exploited.

00:47:07.000 No, I don't agree.

00:47:08.000 And that happens all across our country?

00:47:09.000 I disagree.

00:47:10.000 You're not getting prickly.

00:47:11.000 No, I agree with that.

00:47:13.000 What I'm pushing back against is this I think there's this it's just a narrative around Epstein where it's just all of these I think you just assume it's underage and they were all 14 and then you find out Virginia was recruiting them.

00:47:25.000 Anyways, we got to go.

00:47:26.000 Sager, it's been wonderful having you, my friend.

00:47:29.000 Thanks, Blake, for setting it up.

00:47:30.000 Of course.

00:47:30.000 We'll have you on the show.

00:47:31.000 Thanks, guys.

00:47:32.000 Nice chatting with you.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 13, 2026

Defending Charlie's Nominees and Charlie's Values

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