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00:01:41.000There's a lot of different directions we could take this conversation, but I like having thought leaders that are in the movement, but not necessarily focused on the politics of it, but more on the philosophy and the general direction of where we are headed ideologically.
00:02:00.000It's very interesting to me, as many people know on this program.
00:02:05.000I've talked about that I was once kind of a naive neoliberal because I thought that was the country we lived in.
00:02:57.000During the last year of the Trump administration, I was looking around.
00:03:00.000I'd had some experience working in Texas politics, thought I was just going to go to the private sector and retire from that game for a while.
00:03:06.000But I felt like this revolution that President Trump had started in the Republican Party and the conservative movement, it was at risk because people were looking to go back to that dead consensus as soon as President Trump left.
00:03:20.000So we thought that there was a major need to build infrastructure for this new right.
00:03:27.000People who take immigration seriously, who think that maybe these endless wars have been a bad idea, who think maybe it wasn't the best idea we deindustrialize the country, people who are actually willing to fight on culture.
00:03:37.000And one of the pieces of infrastructure that was really missing was that the personnel pipeline is completely broken in American politics, especially on the right.
00:03:44.000You just don't have a pipeline of talented, capable, conservative, especially in this way, people moving into these roles that no one elects but have enormous amounts of power.
00:03:55.000The people who undermine President Trump from the inside of his administration for the better part of four years.
00:04:01.000So we decided to create an organization that would build up that pipeline from scratch.
00:04:55.000I think there's probably two elements to it.
00:04:57.000One, why is it easier for the left to do this than for the right to do this?
00:05:01.000Well, if you think about it, if you're on the left of center and you're thinking about going into a presidential administration, you could really come from and go to anywhere in America.
00:05:10.000Our biggest universities, the massive nonprofit foundations, not just the lefty ones, but the centrist civic engagement ones, all of corporate America, the C-suites.
00:05:19.000There's really a bevy of options for where we can pull, where the left can pull people from and where they can send them to before and after administrations.
00:05:29.000Meanwhile, just put aside any ideological specifics, if you're on the right of center, there's just a lot fewer places.
00:05:35.000You're not getting these people from universities.
00:05:38.000You're getting them less and less from the C-suite because there's cancellation campaigns for anyone to the right of Jen Rubin at the Washington Post.
00:05:46.000There's just a lot fewer places to pull these people from.
00:05:51.000Well, you have the small constellation of conservative nonprofits, foundations, these entities that have been propped up by the institutional right for the last 40 years.
00:06:00.000Well, their priorities have been a very particular vision of conservatism, the idea that what matters is low taxes on fiscal issues, on social issues, we'll occasionally mouth about religious liberty and abortion.
00:06:13.000On foreign policy, we're going to be absolutely demented and go to war at all places at all times.
00:06:19.000And on immigration, we're going to maybe have a four-word immigration policy, legal, good, illegal, bad, which is the way a child thinks about a public policy issue.
00:06:27.000And so there really was no institutional place where the right could pull these people from.
00:06:32.000And when you think about the dominant mode of thought that existed on the right of center for the last 20 to 40 years, one that the only thing it had to say about the federal government is that it hates the federal government.
00:06:43.000And look, I really dislike the federal government too.
00:06:46.000When you're talking about giving people a calling, the ability to be these soldiers inside these bureaucratic apparatuses who hate us and dedicating their lives to it, it's really hard to sustain yourself on hatred alone.
00:06:58.000You have to have a vision of what you're going to do with power when you get it.
00:07:48.000And what is so structurally and fundamentally wrong with neoliberalism?
00:07:53.000Well, at its core, neoliberalism was a policy agenda that operated on openness, freedom in a very particular corporate sort of way across every policy area.
00:08:04.000So, on immigration, it said that, you know, maybe we believe in some border security, but really you want mass immigration across all of it.
00:08:11.000In corporate America, whatever a Fortune 500 company wanted, that was going to be the dominant policy mode.
00:08:17.000On social issues, live and let live, laissez-faire.
00:08:21.000It doesn't really matter what kind of culture, what kind of society you live in.
00:08:24.000After all, you don't want to be called a bigot.
00:08:26.000It was sort of a comprehensive agenda that said that there is no role for government in shaping and forming virtuous citizens for the creation and preservation of a great republic.
00:08:39.000It works when you're coming off the heels of two world wars where you're the only industrial power, you're the most Christian country in the world, and you have a robust base to spend from.
00:08:50.000And that's what we did over the 70s, the 80s, and the 90s.
00:08:53.000We took the legacy that the founders of America, the settlers of this country, and generations of patriots built, and we spent it down in service of cheaper goods, of easy policy, of not really making hard fights.
00:09:09.000And that was a dominant mode in both parties.
00:09:13.000It existed in everyone from Bill Clinton to George W. Bush to Mitt Romney and others.
00:09:17.000And the reason it was so dominant on the right is because it was easy.
00:09:20.000At the end of the day, it's so much easier to say that red state governance or red American governance is just blue America with lower taxes, with slightly less hostility towards Christianity, as opposed to actually having a comprehensive, original vision for what the future of the country looks like.
00:09:39.000Look, I think Alexandria Ocasio-Portez is crazy, but her Green New Deal is a plan.
00:09:45.000It's a vision for what the country looks like in 5, 15, and 50 years.
00:09:50.000Most Republican members of Congress have no plan.
00:09:52.000They would stare dumbfounded at you and start drooling if you asked them what their vision for the country is.
00:09:57.000And that's really what the right needs to get out of the mindset of is this crisis of imagination, this poverty of thought that they've had for the last 30 years.
00:10:06.000That is a disagreement on the new right, which is there's some that really want to be kind of traditionalist conservatives and say, hey, we need to not embrace any sort of imaginative ideas.
00:10:18.000There's some people that say, you know, we have to build new things and we should be unafraid in kind of ancient wisdom and understanding the laws of nature and nature's God to start new companies and to think ambitiously.
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00:13:45.000Or voice, should we fight for the institutions we have in the places that we have them?
00:13:49.000And my general approach to this question is all of the above.
00:13:53.000My riff on this is that you build what you need, you reform what you can, and you destroy what you must in that order.
00:13:59.000And so I'm a big fan of a multiplicity of approaches to these questions.
00:14:03.000And so the thing I'm trying to avoid in general as we're building American Moment is encouraging a mindset where we do the same mistake that the right historically made, which is a version of live and let live as a tactical strategy, which is basically just whenever things start to get bad, you leave because the left is fighting you and better to just escape their wrath.
00:14:26.000At the end of the day, the left is never stopping.
00:14:29.000They're never going to leave you alone.
00:14:37.000Kamal Harris will show up at your door with an injection full of hormones for your seven-year-old one day if you don't stay and fight in the political arena.
00:14:44.000And so we need to build new businesses for Red America.
00:14:46.000We need to take over the federal government when we get power and use it to advance the interests of our voters.
00:14:53.000And we need to try to reform institutions that have gone astray, both inside the conservative movement and out.
00:15:00.000It's going to take that multiplicity of approaches.
00:15:03.000Why is it that conservatives are so afraid of using power?
00:15:08.000Well, some of it's ideological, right?
00:15:10.000People have been told for the last 40 years that it would be unprincipled in order to use power to advance our interests.
00:15:18.000And some of it's laziness, to be entirely honest.
00:15:21.000One of the things I'm sure has frustrated you over the years, Charlie, is that it feels like most of the organizations on the right of center are interested in what I call conservatism studies, just constantly being huffing their own you-know-what about the conservative movement, the conservative tradition, and a bunch of things written between 1955 and 1995, as opposed to actively being engaged on policy advancing the interests of our voters.
00:15:49.000It's a lot easier to talk your own shop, to talk your own dogma and pretend like you're doing something than to actually do something.
00:15:56.000And so I think that some of it comes out of ideological reasons.
00:15:59.000Some of it comes out of just laziness.
00:16:01.000And eventually that ossifies when you have people who've been sitting in their sinecures for 40 years into people who don't know anything else.
00:16:08.000They only know how to talk the same victory lap they have for 45 years about some of the great things the conservative movement did during the Reagan administration.
00:16:17.000They'd be out of a job if that wasn't what we were talking about all the time.
00:16:21.000So this is why at the end of the day, new blood ends up being really important for a lot of things.
00:16:26.000But that's my assessment of why that happens.
00:16:29.000Yeah, I think that there's an understandable concern about centralized power.
00:16:39.000But we have allowed that concern and that fear of leftist authoritarianism to prevent us from using any instrument of power to ever try to stop the left or preserve liberty or freedom.
00:16:52.000A great example is like this drag queen thing.
00:16:55.000We should be unafraid to use political power to ban children from going to drag queen anything.
00:17:02.000We shouldn't allow teenagers to be able to get chemical castration drugs.
00:17:07.000Now, some conservatives that call themselves conservatives, like Asa Hutchinson, the current governor of Arkansas, you might remember that back and forth with Tucker Carlson.
00:17:15.000He's like, well, no, the conservative thing is just to sit by and do nothing.
00:17:20.000Conservatives generally don't like using government if not necessary, if not necessary.
00:17:25.000But if we have political power and we see something bad happening, we are going to intervene to protect children, protect things that are good.
00:17:35.000Silence is violence, beats don't tread on me every single time.
00:17:39.000The left believes that if you don't actively advance their evangelical leftist religion, that you are a bigot and they will ruin your life for it.
00:17:46.000The right's answer to that has historically been, don't tread on me, leave me alone.
00:17:50.000We're going to lose every single time unless we start to use power.
00:17:53.000And I think it's perfectly all right to say that seven-year-olds getting perverted adults to gyrate in front of them, stopping that using government power is just fine.
00:18:03.000William F. Buckley is not going to spin in his grave.
00:18:07.000What you just heard is the new right, AmericanMoment.org.
00:18:10.000We need more politicians to talk like this or else we're going to lose the country.
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00:19:02.000So it seems in a couple of days, maybe a couple of weeks, the United States Supreme Court is going to repeal Roe versus Wade, which would bring abortion, which would send abortion back down to the states.
00:19:13.000Unfortunately, as this has been rumored because it was illegally leaked, still no arrest because of the leak, we have started to see a mass amount of violence against pro-life centers across America, firebombing, and vandalism.
00:19:28.000One of those centers happened in New York City, and the person who runs that is the guy by the name of James R. Hardin, Reverend James R. Hardin, who's the CEO of Compass Care Pregnancy Services, and he joins us right now.
00:19:40.000James, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:19:43.000It's an honor to be here with you, Charlie.
00:19:46.000Tell us about what happened to your clinic.
00:19:49.000Well, about a week ago Tuesday, police and fire rescue responded to smoke coming out of our facility at 2.30 in the morning, and they arrived to find broken glass and fires lit in our facility.
00:20:01.000And on the wall was scrawled, Jane was here, a signature kind of trademark for a pro-abortion terrorist group called Jane's Revenge.
00:20:11.000Jane's Revenge refers to an underground abortion group in you know, in Chicago in the 1960s called the Jane's Collective.
00:20:22.000And so they're not about women's rights.
00:20:33.000We were up and running the very next day.
00:20:35.000We had to reroute patients out to our Rochester facility, put some hardship on our patients, but we're continuing to serve patients even now.
00:20:42.000And we will stop and we're not afraid.
00:20:53.000As a matter of fact, we had reason to believe that there were increasing threats to our facilities, given the activity that was going on with Jane's Revenge, fomenting violence against pregnancy centers, as well as some local activity that was going on.
00:21:07.000And we notified the police ahead of time, at least a month and a half, as well as the FBI.
00:21:12.000So they were investigating this beforehand.
00:21:16.000Now, once it happened, they've activated multiple agencies, and the Amherst Police Department are doing a fantastic job.
00:21:27.000I apologize for all the noise in the background.
00:21:29.000We're actually in the process of getting our office secured because of the threats.
00:22:02.000It's the watershed moment when people targeted Jewish businesses in 1938 in Nazi Germany, essentially breaking their glass in the dark of night and burning out their businesses.
00:22:13.000And the two things that caused it to be a watershed moment, us fomenting violence to the Jewish community after that was number one, a lack of outcry from the community.
00:22:22.000And number two, a refusal on the part of the political elite to denounce the violence.
00:22:27.000Governor Hochl is essentially fomenting the violence, but she's complicit in this pro-abortion Kristallnacht.
00:22:36.000Not only did we get firebombed, not only did she send $34 million to private practice abortionists to increase their security, knowing full well that we're being targeted, she signs a bill to investigate us, us, yesterday.
00:22:50.000This is insult to injury is absolutely ridiculous.
00:22:53.000She is complicit in the pro-abortion Kristallnacht.
00:22:55.000And so is Joe Biden for all intents and purposes.
00:23:01.000I mean, your clinic probably does very, you know, run-of-the-mill pregnancy crisis center work of trying to save babies from potential termination.
00:23:10.000What would they possibly investigate you for?
00:23:12.000Well, they're investigating us because we don't perform or refer for abortionists.
00:23:15.000They're investigating us because we are not one of them.
00:23:20.000And, you know, technically they're saying they're looking to see if we're standing in the way of women accessing health care and getting their needs met.
00:24:33.000And Governor Hokul and Governor Newsom out of California are going to have taxpayer dollars paying for women's travel expenses and their abortions to fly from conservative states for abortion tourism.
00:24:45.000And I think that's why we're attacked.
00:24:46.000We've got a plan and we're working that plan to essentially complete the abolition of Roe by essentially giving pregnancy centers the tools, the 21st century tools they need to serve every single woman in America who's seriously considering abortion before she travels and before she goes online to get those chemical abortion drugs.
00:25:06.000And you mentioned something so interesting.
00:25:08.000So a theme of our show is that live and let live is dead.
00:25:40.000We're called of God, and by we, I mean everyone, to essentially say, look, we're all made in the image of God, and therefore we're all inviolable, not to be violated.
00:25:52.000We're all worthy of blessing and protection because we're made in the image of God.
00:26:26.000Just walk through the kind of services you provide, how you're able to help women make the choice for life.
00:26:32.000Yeah, a pregnancy resource center, a pro-life pregnancy resource center, is an organization that reaches out to women who are finding themselves in an unplanned pregnancy and seriously considering abortion.
00:26:44.000And we serve them with baseline medical care, OB care, STD testing and treatment.
00:26:49.000We even provide chemical abortion reversal treatments, which are great.
00:26:53.000If a woman changes her mind in the middle of a chemical abortion process, we can help reverse those effects and help her save the baby.
00:27:01.000We also provide comprehensive support both during the pregnancy and beyond so that she can see her way clear to having her baby.
00:27:13.000Very few women go on and have an abortion if they have the support and security that they need, giving them a vision of their future after having had abortion, having had their baby.
00:27:25.000The impact of pro-life pregnancy centers all across the country over the years has saved millions of lives, and millions of women are grateful for these services.
00:30:35.000The country is going downhill right now.
00:30:38.000And one of the ways that they're going to keep Joe Biden in a place of compliance to keep Joe Biden obedient is the constant threat that Hunter Biden might be indicted and go to jail.
00:30:51.000Hunter Biden, based on all the information available, violated a multitude of federal crimes and is currently being investigated by the federal government.
00:30:59.000Now, will he actually be able to, will he go to jail post-jury?
00:33:39.000No, it's not about Hunter Biden and his drug addiction and his financial inability to manage his finances.
00:33:44.000It's about that he leveraged his father as a sitting vice president and presidential candidate and weakened American national security for personal financial gain.
00:33:54.000Doesn't matter how many sad songs that they play or how sorry they make you feel for him.
00:34:01.000The takeaway is that our country is in a far, much more dangerous place because of this than it was previously.
00:34:10.000That they prioritize their family's wealth above the well-being of America.
00:34:17.000Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
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