The Charlie Kirk Show - Democrats' DNC Disaster—LIVE Reaction to Night Two w- Michael Knowles

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00:01:17.000 Hey, everybody.

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00:01:19.000 We are here on the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:21.000 I guess this is some form of a rapid response DNC podcast.

00:01:25.000 I'm with my good friend Michael Knowles, and I was just, boy, I was so fired up with watching whatever that just was tonight and last night.

00:01:34.000 I texted Michael.

00:01:35.000 I said, Michael, we got to do a response for my podcast tomorrow.

00:01:38.000 And Michael heroically said, yes.

00:01:40.000 Michael, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. 0.64

00:01:42.000 Instant reaction from the second night of the Bolshevik rally revolution.

00:01:47.000 Charlie, it occurs to me that what we're doing right now could just as well be the Democratic National Convention because the whole thing is basically just a glorified Zoom call at this point. 0.58

00:01:57.000 So our rapid response just hopping on the stream right now, I think pretty much is the DNC with this one exception.

00:02:04.000 There's at least a chance that we can be entertaining and inspiring at no chance from the DNC.

00:02:10.000 I think that's probably right.

00:02:12.000 So what was the highlight for you tonight?

00:02:13.000 Was it the 30-second speech from the woman in Nebraska, or I couldn't understand a word she was saying because of the mask?

00:02:20.000 Or was it AOC's glorifying 60-second speech channeling her inner Vladimir Lenin? 0.54

00:02:26.000 That I really love that.

00:02:27.000 I love the interspersed same three bars of Bruce Springsteen again and again and again and again.

00:02:36.000 It was so, so awful.

00:02:38.000 And then this whole force of someone will give this pre-recorded or pre-written out speech.

00:02:44.000 And then everyone starts to applaud in their individual Zoom boxes.

00:02:49.000 Nothing about it feels genuine.

00:02:50.000 Nothing about it feels original.

00:02:52.000 It actually did remind me that before Trump, politics was so fake.

00:02:58.000 I mean, I get it that politics is showcased.

00:03:01.000 But it's just like, at least Trump gives you something live.

00:03:04.000 He gives you something real. 1.00

00:03:05.000 These guys were so pathetic. 0.99

00:03:08.000 Well, look, I mean, Trump's the ultimate showman. 1.00

00:03:11.000 And, you know, the president once told me, and I love when he said this, he said, you always want to go second.

00:03:16.000 You never want to go first.

00:03:18.000 And, you know, kind of when you're in the kind of when you're in the competition of showmanship.

00:03:23.000 And look, the Democrats last night, they had no message.

00:03:26.000 Tonight was even more scattered.

00:03:28.000 I mean, just from a production standpoint, I guess the Jill Biden speech, the Jill Biden, I kind of got that.

00:03:33.000 I think that was probably the high point of their whole convention.

00:03:37.000 Did you catch AOC's 60-second Zoom call?

00:03:40.000 You can see how much they value her in their party.

00:03:43.000 Well, you know, I love to bet AOC. 1.00

00:03:46.000 She's a pretty clever politician in that she walked this line of seconding. 1.00

00:03:50.000 I forget if she proposed or seconded Bernie's nomination. 0.74

00:03:54.000 And then obviously she's going to vote for Biden anyway, but she still gets to keep some of that progressive cred, even though obviously it's not going to have any effect.

00:04:01.000 I agree with you. 0.84

00:04:01.000 I thought that Jill Biden stuff, she was the only even remotely likable person there. 0.84

00:04:07.000 I thought that actually played pretty well.

00:04:08.000 It was the first thing in two days that played well at all.

00:04:11.000 The one thing, though, for the Democrats is they've got to stop insisting on referring to her as Dr. Jill Biden.

00:04:18.000 You know, on the view, the women on the view got so confused, they said she could be the surgeon general.

00:04:24.000 They don't realize that she's a school teacher.

00:04:26.000 I love school teachers as much as the next guy.

00:04:28.000 But this insistence actually makes Jill Biden, who's pretty likable and seems somewhat genuine, seem less likable and less genuine. 1.00

00:04:35.000 So they even managed to shoot themselves in the foot there.

00:04:38.000 So you're a smart guy.

00:04:39.000 Can you explain to me the wisdom of having Bill Clinton speak in a party that invented Me Too?

00:04:47.000 I don't have the capacity to process that one.

00:04:50.000 It's interesting because the Democratic Party is in a certain sense very conservative.

00:04:55.000 I mean, lowercase C conservative in that they don't really change.

00:04:59.000 They've had this machine now for over 100 years, and they're the longest continuously extant political party in the world.

00:05:08.000 So there are parts of it that they just can't shake from the past, one of which is Bill Clinton.

00:05:13.000 I mean, obviously the Democratic Party today has taken a sharp leftward turn since the 1990s, but Bill is still there.

00:05:20.000 You know, obviously they've got these super delegates, right?

00:05:22.000 That's an anti-democratic element of the Democratic National Committee.

00:05:26.000 But when you combine the Bill Clinton general baggage with what we found out today, there's an image of one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims giving Bill Clinton a neck massage that dropped today.

00:05:39.000 Maybe it's time to drop old Bubba from the DNC.

00:05:43.000 Well, I guess that's the new Democrat Party.

00:05:46.000 I mean, it's a little bit, it's hard to, I mean, it's such a blatant power grab, and it just goes to show that every one of the movements that they make us be held accountable for, that they will never hold their own accountable at all for that.

00:05:58.000 I mean, Andrew Cuomo today, and just one of the things that just irritated me the most about the news cycle today, Andrew Cuomo came out and he said he's writing a book on October 13th about coronavirus, the Chinese coronavirus that he called the European virus last night.

00:06:10.000 I mean, there's just been so much.

00:06:12.000 I have to give the Democrats credit.

00:06:14.000 They have created months of free campaign content in like 60-second intervals.

00:06:19.000 I didn't think it was possible to have this much opposition research done.

00:06:22.000 And by the way, it's so amazing is that these are like pre-rehearsed, pre-written speeches, and they're giving a phenomenal amount of material there.

00:06:31.000 And so Andrew Cuomo's coming out with the book on October 13th.

00:06:34.000 And he's like, oh, Donald Trump's profiting off this virus.

00:06:37.000 Really?

00:06:37.000 Who's the one selling a book before the election about the virus?

00:06:40.000 Like, could you imagine if Trump even joked about something like that?

00:06:44.000 Well, you know, Cuomo, obviously, as we know, handled the coronavirus worse than any governor in America.

00:06:50.000 His policies are directly responsible for thousands, at least several thousand senior citizens being killed from the virus because he sent the sick people into nursing homes.

00:06:59.000 So he's writing this book.

00:07:00.000 It's called American Crisis, Leadership During Coronavirus, which makes me want to read Harvey Weinstein's book on relationships or Jeffrey Dahmer's book on nutrition, right?

00:07:10.000 But this actually shows you a serious point, which is that they do not care about having a relationship to reality, right?

00:07:19.000 The Democrats believe that they have such cultural hegemony, they have such control over the institutions that they can tell you that up is down and two plus two equals five.

00:07:30.000 They can tell you whatever they want and you will believe them because they control the messaging.

00:07:34.000 I mean, Cuomo, I think, sums it up better than anybody.

00:07:38.000 Well, I think it's also they really think they're that important of people.

00:07:42.000 I mean, they think that they are, they, you know, it's kind of funny.

00:07:45.000 I thought the divine right of kings was basically ended in the early 1800s, but no, it still is very much alive and well today, where these Democrats feel as if there's something so special about their capacity to govern that they rules, us, standards?

00:08:04.000 That's why we have islands.

00:08:05.000 We had a plane, Lolita Express.

00:08:07.000 They don't believe that any of the movements that they purport to believe in should actually be held as a standard against them.

00:08:13.000 So, Michael, can you walk me through at least your initial analysis of how this manifests itself politically?

00:08:18.000 I mean, I'm trying not to get too ahead of myself.

00:08:20.000 You and I have talked about this.

00:08:21.000 I think that just from, look, it's kind of when I watch a convention like this, it's almost like kind of watching The Godfather or The Matrix.

00:08:28.000 Like, nothing is a mistake, right?

00:08:30.000 It's thought over, it's poured over.

00:08:31.000 So, everything there is there for a reason.

00:08:33.000 It's either trying to compensate for a political deficit, it's trying to make up for a deficiency, it's trying to make something, it's actually trying to get votes that they wouldn't otherwise have.

00:08:42.000 So, it's very much scripted. 0.81

00:08:43.000 So, when I see the incredible overindulgence in black identity politics, number one, then also trying to get former Republicans to speak, I interpret this, love your thoughts on this, that they have both a base problem and also a persuadable middle problem, that the Democrats are trying to solve two problems simultaneously that actually might be self-defeating and also might be so incongruent because they're trying to blend leftism and liberalism together. 0.94

00:09:07.000 What have you learned from this? 0.89

00:09:08.000 Outside of, of course, all the nonsense, the radicalism, as you look into the hood underneath the Democrat Party going in November, what are you gathering that might be a little below the surface?

00:09:17.000 So, something that no one else has talked about yet is I haven't seen this anywhere on Twitter or anything during the debate. 0.98

00:09:24.000 They've got a new dumb slogan. 0.98

00:09:26.000 Every so often, the Democrats come up with a new dumb slogan and it lasts for five minutes. 1.00

00:09:30.000 You know, Bush lied, people died, that sort of thing. 1.00

00:09:32.000 The new dumb slogan is good trouble. 1.00

00:09:36.000 Just two words, good trouble. 0.97

00:09:38.000 And they opened up tonight by referring to John Lewis, you know, the civil rights icon who recently passed away, as he got into good trouble, meaning he broke some laws, but it was actually for the ultimate good and it was in defense of the natural law or something like that. 0.65

00:09:53.000 The reason they are doing this is because they have to defend, they have to make some excuse for the BLM rioters and terrorists who are burning down the country and killing people. 0.64

00:10:04.000 And so, the only way that they can do that, they have to acknowledge that there is some trouble here. 0.90

00:10:08.000 But what they are basically trying to say is, yes, they're breaking all these laws and harming people and burning down the whole country, but it's for the good.

00:10:15.000 It's actually a good thing.

00:10:16.000 And so you shouldn't be afraid of it and you shouldn't look down on it.

00:10:19.000 That's so Machine Rebellion. 0.77

00:10:21.000 Yeah. 0.78

00:10:22.000 It is.

00:10:22.000 Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

00:10:24.000 And the second part, which is kind of connected, is this other stupid expression. 0.99

00:10:29.000 It's the slogan of the Biden campaign, which is build back better. 0.97

00:10:34.000 And there's no, you know, obviously they have to rebuild because they just tore down the whole country and you've got shattered pieces of George Washington statues all over the place.

00:10:40.000 So you've got to build back.

00:10:42.000 But the trouble is, what can they get Trump on?

00:10:44.000 You'll notice the only issue they hit Trump on tonight was that Trump tried to overturn Obamacare or to rescind parts of Obamacare or to abolish it, but he didn't succeed.

00:10:56.000 Remember, John McCain put his thumb down and so it didn't work.

00:10:59.000 So the only thing they can hit him on is a hypothetical.

00:11:01.000 It's something that he tried to do, but didn't.

00:11:04.000 And the one question I would have, I don't know if you heard this anywhere of the last two nights.

00:11:08.000 Did anyone give an affirmative, positive reason for what Joe Biden, what Joe Biden would do if he is elected and why we should vote for Joe Biden?

00:11:18.000 Not because Trump is bad, but because of Joe Biden?

00:11:21.000 I didn't hear one.

00:11:23.000 No, and you won't, because their entire political strategy, and this is more and more clear, and this was, you and I hypothesized this over the summer, is that they want to turn this into a House of Commons vote of no confidence, like Winston Churchill, Margaret Thatcher style, that they actually want to destroy the electoral system of binary choices.

00:11:40.000 And they want to make it like this person's so bad.

00:11:42.000 Therefore, if you manifest any or harbor any sort of discontent towards this person, therefore go show up in record numbers to go vote for the senal guy.

00:11:50.000 That, and look, I mean this without any, like without trying to, you know, trivialize mental decline.

00:11:55.000 But when you're running for the presidency, I think it's pretty much fair game.

00:11:59.000 He has so much effort just to make a sentence.

00:12:01.000 I mean, even when he was accepting the nomination, he stood up so awkwardly in some form of a library and all of his grandkids came out around him.

00:12:07.000 I think there was five, but I think he actually has seven.

00:12:10.000 And I didn't see Hunter.

00:12:11.000 I think I saw Hunter once.

00:12:13.000 Yeah, I think it was five or seven or his wife or his sister.

00:12:15.000 He wasn't really sure.

00:12:16.000 And it just looked like he was in such laborious pain.

00:12:19.000 And the only way that this is working is because the entire Democrat trajectory, their whole arc over the last couple of years, is they really believe that they can defeat an incumbent based purely on dissatisfaction towards that incumbent, not for the replacement, right?

00:12:34.000 And this is a very risky strategy.

00:12:35.000 It's extremely risky.

00:12:37.000 I mean, it's really hard to beat an incumbent.

00:12:38.000 We just have to be very clear about this.

00:12:40.000 It's really hard to beat an incumbent president.

00:12:43.000 And absent third-party support, like H.W. Bush had against him for Bill Clinton in 92, it hasn't happened.

00:12:49.000 The last time an incumbent lost was 1992, and that was after the Republicans were in power for nearly 12 years.

00:12:55.000 And so, look, there is no reason to vote for Joe Biden.

00:12:58.000 And actually, I want to get your thoughts on this, though.

00:13:00.000 I don't think, I think that the Democrats are really playing a dangerous game here.

00:13:04.000 I think they're going to have a lot of the young people that you and I talk about in college camp talk to on college campuses, right?

00:13:10.000 That are radically driven.

00:13:11.000 I don't know if they're going to show up.

00:13:13.000 I really don't.

00:13:14.000 I'm not convinced that this kind of enthusiastic underbelly of the Democrat Party that has been really reliable for the last couple of elections, you and I know this population really well.

00:13:23.000 First of all, the campuses are closed.

00:13:25.000 So ballot harvesting is taken off the table.

00:13:27.000 Secondly, I'm not convinced that they're going to be motivated.

00:13:31.000 When I look at this, where do you interpret like that average college socialist that you and I have to re-educate, or at least, you know, stop telling them to be so bitter or arrogant?

00:13:39.000 Do you think they're going to show up in big numbers?

00:13:41.000 And how is that?

00:13:42.000 How is that exactly going to play out?

00:13:43.000 No, they're not going to show up in part because they're not on campus, right?

00:13:48.000 So, you know, I think a part of the Democrats' strategy has been to continue this lockdown, even when there is no medical or scientific reason to continue the lockdown, but it's to keep the economy depressed, keep society depressed, keep everyone agitated, and enforce this mail-in ballot issue nationwide.

00:14:05.000 But one negative side effect for them is the campuses are closed, so they can't rally all of the students.

00:14:10.000 Nobody, nobody is excited about Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

00:14:14.000 Not one person in the country, including Joe Biden.

00:14:16.000 Maybe Kamala Harris is, but that's about it. 0.52

00:14:18.000 You know, I think she was a bad choice for him. 0.97

00:14:21.000 She was so unpopular. 0.99

00:14:22.000 She got out of that race very early.

00:14:24.000 Nobody is a grassroots Kamala supporter.

00:14:27.000 And so I think the hardened, you know, the far activist socialist wing of the Democratic Party, they're not going to be motivated.

00:14:35.000 And the moderate wing, if such as it is, it's still pretty radical, but relatively, it's moderate.

00:14:40.000 Are they really excited by Joe?

00:14:42.000 So far, we've only seen Joe speak for about 60 seconds at a time, and he doesn't do a great job with that.

00:14:48.000 Do we really think this guy's going to be able to hold his own in a long address in a presidential debate?

00:14:52.000 Or heaven forfend if he made it to the oval?

00:14:55.000 I don't think so.

00:14:57.000 Every time I see Joe Biden speak, he does the stoic glaze really well, the kind of where he looks off into the distance.

00:15:03.000 I say, either he's doing his best Maoist kind of caricature, or he's just incredibly confused at what's happening around him, just to kind of look into the distance, kind of gazing.

00:15:14.000 He's either like, yeah, it might be a little mixture of both.

00:15:18.000 And so, so, Michael, what is so as we look at the rest of the week, if you were trying to analyze exactly what the Republicans need to do next week, what do Republicans need to do, right?

00:15:28.000 So we have 40, we've now had two days of this circus.

00:15:32.000 And by the way, for those that missed it, Pocahontas, I thought this was parody, by the way.

00:15:36.000 I thought that this is so Orwellian.

00:15:37.000 I don't know if you saw this or not.

00:15:40.000 I didn't believe it.

00:15:41.000 I did not believe it.

00:15:42.000 I had to triple fact check it.

00:15:43.000 I said, there's no way this is true.

00:15:44.000 The Native American coalition call or whatever, the Zoom call.

00:15:49.000 Michael, you break the news.

00:15:51.000 I can't even say it.

00:15:52.000 The Native American coalition call as a featured guest speaker had who.

00:15:56.000 Featured guest speaker, Liawatha herself, Pocahontas, Elizabeth, because she's what coming in hot. 0.85

00:16:05.000 I think she's what, one, maybe she is one 1,024th Native American, which, you know, in today's Democratic Party, I guess that qualifies you.

00:16:13.000 It's unbelievable. 0.88

00:16:14.000 It seems like such an unforced error, but the whole DNC seems like an unforced error.

00:16:18.000 I mean, this is my question for you, Charlie.

00:16:20.000 You know, you've got a tremendous amount of political organizing experience.

00:16:24.000 When you're putting on an event, you want the event to excite people.

00:16:28.000 You want it to rally people.

00:16:30.000 A party convention is supposed to rally the base, get everybody excited, present a coherent message to the public generally.

00:16:38.000 It seems to me that this infomercial of a DNC has not accomplished any of that.

00:16:44.000 I mean, I would not be surprised if Biden's numbers actually go down after the convention, even though the whole reason they hold convention, so the numbers go up.

00:16:53.000 Well, and here's the open secret here, Michael, and here's the takeaway.

00:16:56.000 They don't have a Democrat party.

00:16:57.000 They don't.

00:16:58.000 They're actually far more factionalized.

00:17:01.000 They do not have a continuity of philosophy.

00:17:03.000 This is a corporate transactional ruling class that has forcibly connected themselves to five or six single issue voters. 0.99

00:17:13.000 Environment, guns, women's, take the money from the rich, and I hate America, right? 1.00

00:17:20.000 And then you kind of have this corporate governing class that controls them. 1.00

00:17:24.000 This isn't a party.

00:17:25.000 In fact, and I don't say this, I don't see it.

00:17:28.000 I don't say this lightly, trust me, because I'm extremely critical of Republicans, like very much so, when they don't do what they're supposed to do.

00:17:36.000 But the Republicans are in a much better place, much better place.

00:17:39.000 And it's almost manifesting itself very similar to the 1984 Republican Party.

00:17:44.000 Now, I'm not saying the election will be similar.

00:17:45.000 I'm not.

00:17:46.000 But the Republican Party was so unified against Soviet communism.

00:17:49.000 I don't know.

00:17:50.000 It might win Minnesota.

00:17:51.000 It might be the one state that Ronald Reagan has won.

00:17:53.000 But the thing in 84 that was so interesting, Michael, is that the Republicans played nice with each other, like the gun people played nice to the pro-life people who played nice with the fiscal conservative people, all because there was kind of this agreement that Soviet communism must be crushed and Reagan's doing a great job of that.

00:18:10.000 And I think that in a weird way, Donald Trump has now become the anti-leftist domestic equivalent of that, where the Republicans have far more of a unified movement or party.

00:18:19.000 Now, we still have the corporate Republican types, but they're following.

00:18:22.000 They are not leading the party, make no mistake.

00:18:25.000 They follow kind of the energy behind.

00:18:27.000 The Democrats don't really have a party.

00:18:29.000 They don't.

00:18:30.000 And that's why you have to see them.

00:18:31.000 They have to continue to almost remind you, like not to turn off the TV, like it's some sort of like Stockholm syndrome.

00:18:37.000 Remember, we're for environmental justice, racial justice.

00:18:40.000 I mean, like, how many justices are there?

00:18:42.000 I mean, the Vermont thing, they had this guy that looked like he was, you know, he lives in the northern hills of Vermont in some commune, like he just stumbled into civil society in the last couple of weeks.

00:18:51.000 Now, remember, everybody, racial justice, environmental justice, food, what are the other justices we believe in?

00:18:57.000 Don't turn off the TV because we're actually really radical.

00:19:00.000 And so I think that's a very, so if I were to do political organizing and I were trying to, which I do, and I would just take a diagnosis of this, it's an incredibly unhealthy party.

00:19:08.000 And I think you bring up such a good point on all the ever-multiplying types of justice.

00:19:08.000 Yeah.

00:19:13.000 The reason they have to do that is because they don't believe in justice, justice, singular, just one kind of justice, right?

00:19:19.000 And they don't believe in school, it means to the end.

00:19:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:23.000 I mean, you know, if you were, if you say, I believe in justice, what you're saying is I believe in an objective standard of virtue.

00:19:29.000 I believe that there is a certain type of behavior that we have to live up to.

00:19:33.000 I believe that there ought to be punishment if you violate that kind of behavior, that kind of moral standard.

00:19:39.000 The left doesn't believe that.

00:19:40.000 I mean, what they believe is you do you, I'm going to do me.

00:19:44.000 There's no objective truth.

00:19:45.000 There's your truth and there's my truth.

00:19:47.000 You know, if it feels good, do it.

00:19:49.000 Don't yuck my yum.

00:19:50.000 You can use all of these various expressions to say, we don't believe in justice.

00:19:54.000 But they have to fill that in.

00:19:56.000 They want to keep that rhetoric so they have it in all these ever-multiplying areas.

00:19:59.000 They don't believe in virtues.

00:20:00.000 They have all these ever-multiplying values.

00:20:03.000 If I had one recommendation for the RNC, which I've been suggesting now from my platform for a little while, it's you have to do a live convention.

00:20:14.000 I know it's probably impossible. 0.65

00:20:16.000 I know Charlotte kicked them out.

00:20:18.000 I know Jacksonville kicked them out.

00:20:20.000 I know everyone's worried about the China virus. 0.84

00:20:22.000 I know whatever.

00:20:23.000 You know, Fauci says it's going to kill all of us, except actually, he doesn't.

00:20:26.000 He actually says it's probably fine to go outside and go do whatever you want.

00:20:30.000 You have to do it live. 0.99

00:20:32.000 This Zoom meeting convention thing is pathetic. 0.62

00:20:36.000 It is giving in to the leftist premise that we all need to stay home and we need to mail in our ballots so that the left can steal this election. 0.73

00:20:44.000 If even the exalted Dr. Fauci, peace be upon him, says that we can show up to the ballot box and we can go out, we can do things, you know, wear the mask or whatever, say, stay a few feet away, fine.

00:20:55.000 If even Fauci is saying that, then there's no argument, right?

00:20:58.000 Even the public health professionals are saying it.

00:21:00.000 You need some sort of a live convention.

00:21:03.000 I think that if the president zooms this in, this is going to be a big wasted opportunity.

00:21:08.000 Yeah, I'm not sure the technical part of that might be too late.

00:21:12.000 I agree that generally a live convention.

00:21:15.000 However, some of the speakers they've already announced, I like the direction this is heading, Michael.

00:21:19.000 This is a cultural conservative convention.

00:21:22.000 I got to give the Trump campaign and the convention a lot of credit.

00:21:25.000 This could have been a typical technocratic corporate wing Republican party where they're, you know, like the Romney convention.

00:21:32.000 I'll never forget it.

00:21:33.000 At the Romney convention, I was there.

00:21:35.000 It was one of my first experiences eight years ago politically, right?

00:21:38.000 And I had to barter my way in.

00:21:40.000 And I remember like one of the signs they had there.

00:21:42.000 This is just the biggest difference between the Romney Party and the Trump Party.

00:21:45.000 Was yes, we did build it.

00:21:47.000 And I was like, man, that is really good for like the 400 CEOs that are there.

00:21:53.000 But like, like the coal miners, like, what did I build?

00:21:57.000 You know, and then Trump has like, make America great again.

00:22:02.000 I'm like, that is a message that's going to win.

00:22:04.000 I mean, Romney's message was very much to a very few, and I love job creators.

00:22:09.000 You and I both do.

00:22:10.000 I think it's great.

00:22:10.000 I think that we should encourage entrepreneurship.

00:22:13.000 It's also, it's a small percentage of the American population if we're very serious about it.

00:22:17.000 Right.

00:22:17.000 And so, additionally, Michael, so the point that you were making about the convention and what I was trying to title together, you have Abby Johnson, who is the Planned Parenthood whistleblower who's speaking, Nick Sandman, and the McCloskeys.

00:22:30.000 That's a great opening shot. 0.57

00:22:32.000 And the Democrats are going to go after all of them because these are cultural figures.

00:22:36.000 Like, I'm sure you're going to hear from the senators.

00:22:38.000 You're going to hear from the cabinet people.

00:22:39.000 You're going to hear from the Grinnells.

00:22:41.000 You're going to hear from the people that have been really good to Donald Trump.

00:22:43.000 However, this is a cultural election, wouldn't you agree?

00:22:46.000 This is not about high taxes, low taxes, all that's important.

00:22:49.000 I think that's where we actually think that's less effective at this moment in our country's history.

00:22:54.000 Totally.

00:22:55.000 You know, first of all, you take it back to kind of the OG conservative political philosopher in modern times, Edmund Burke.

00:23:01.000 He said, you know, you basically have to focus on the culture.

00:23:04.000 We don't want these sophisticated economists and calculators.

00:23:07.000 What do we do?

00:23:08.000 We immediately come all these eggheads from the Romney Party.

00:23:10.000 No, we need some culture.

00:23:12.000 Abby is obviously great, Abby Johnson. 1.00

00:23:14.000 I think the McCloskeys are going to be great.

00:23:16.000 You know, there was a rumor that the McCloskeys were Democrats and pro-BLM.

00:23:20.000 And I had Mark McCloskey on radio, and we asked him, we said, you know, they're saying you're a Democrat.

00:23:26.000 He said, how dare you?

00:23:27.000 I'm a lifelong Republican.

00:23:29.000 Are you kidding me?

00:23:30.000 I totally reject what these guys are saying.

00:23:33.000 And then, and then, frankly, to me, the most important one is Nick Sandman.

00:23:37.000 Nick Sandman was that kid at the time, I think he was 17 or something.

00:23:40.000 Now, that was a couple years ago, who was just minding his own business, was at a pro-life rally, was standing on the mall, had the MAGA hat on. 0.91

00:23:47.000 A bunch of black supremacists yelled a bunch of crazy stuff at him. 0.99

00:23:51.000 And then this Native American lunatic started banging a drum in his face. 0.99

00:23:54.000 The kid actually showed great restraint, got smeared by the media. 0.95

00:23:58.000 And I think having him speak there shows what Trump has exposed.

00:24:02.000 It'll be his longest-lasting legacy. 0.65

00:24:04.000 He's exposed that the media are just absolute cretins, that the media are nothing but staffers for the Democratic Party and more broadly for the liberal establishment. 0.88

00:24:15.000 So to have him here, that is going to be a finger in the face of CNN, of the Washington Post, and broadly speaking, what do we call them? 0.84

00:24:23.000 The opposition party.

00:24:25.000 That's exactly right.

00:24:26.000 And so the Sandman, and that opening, you know, triumphant, right?

00:24:29.000 Let's try it the real triumphant. 1.00

00:24:31.000 Let's get rid of that Roman triumphant. 1.00

00:24:32.000 Screw that. 1.00

00:24:33.000 This is the new triumph. 0.99

00:24:34.000 The Abby Johnson pro-life, McCloskey Second Amendment, Sandman cultural, fighting the fake news activist media.

00:24:41.000 It's going to be a completely different type of convention.

00:24:43.000 And I can already tell you how they're going to portray this.

00:24:46.000 They're going to say RNC goes to the base, to the radical elements of the part.

00:24:51.000 And that is a very, that is a disproven strategy for the activist media.

00:24:57.000 Because basically, look, you and I both know this entire election is going to come down to three states, basically, and like 22 counties.

00:25:04.000 And in those 22 counties, they actually don't like it when a 17-year-old wears a MAGA hat and has some lunatic bang a drum in his face.

00:25:12.000 And then he gets blamed for it.

00:25:14.000 That's not a winning message.

00:25:16.000 I mean, in northern Wisconsin, they are a pro-life part of the country.

00:25:20.000 And so when they hear Abby Johnson communicate to it, I think what I'm really pleased about, what the Republicans are doing next week, what the Democrats have not done a good job of at all, is the Republicans actually take next week as a teaching moment to persuade people on core cultural issues.

00:25:34.000 Like Abby Johnson, that would not be a typical pick where she's actually going to make more people pro-life by the end of next week than the beginning of the week. 0.53

00:25:42.000 The Democrats are like, screw persuasion. 0.97

00:25:43.000 Let's just try to just play it easy, plays it safe, and then say, virus every like 25 seconds, virus, like virus, like don't leave your home, right?

00:25:50.000 And then go where, you know, go do what we're told.

00:25:52.000 And I think that there's a risk in that because I think that what the Trump campaign is believing, and I, this is totally true, is that it's not as monolithic as you might think.

00:26:01.000 There's a lot of people that are still trying to land the plane, if you were, on how they're going to vote.

00:26:06.000 You know, I've knocked over on 100,000 doors for candidates, and I'll ever forget some of these people I knock on the door of.

00:26:12.000 There's one guy in particular.

00:26:13.000 I gave him a piece of literature.

00:26:14.000 This was like six or eight years ago when I was just getting started and I was knocking on doors.

00:26:18.000 And he's like, yeah, I'm going to go put this in the box.

00:26:19.000 I'm like, what do you mean, the box?

00:26:21.000 He's like, oh, yeah, I have a box where I put all political literature and I read it the night before.

00:26:25.000 And then I make my decision.

00:26:26.000 I'm like, that's how you make it.

00:26:28.000 It's like, there are some people that are still very much indecisive, right?

00:26:28.000 It's like Christmas.

00:26:34.000 They hear things.

00:26:35.000 They're just kind of vacillating or they're disinterested.

00:26:38.000 And so thematically, Michael, what do you want the Republicans to hit?

00:26:42.000 And where do you think the Democrats have missed the mark so terribly?

00:26:46.000 If you were even to put your Democrat hat on and you're like, if I were the Democrats, I would have done this.

00:26:51.000 So the Democrats are very afraid that they've been exposed as hating their own country.

00:26:56.000 I think it's pretty clear they genuinely hate their own country.

00:26:58.000 You heard years ago with Obama saying he wants to fundamentally transform America.

00:27:03.000 You generally don't want to fundamentally transform things that you love.

00:27:06.000 You saw the flag protest, which started out with Colin Kaepernick, and now you've got mainstream Democratic politicians cheering on the desecration of the American flag.

00:27:15.000 And so you had Andrew Cuomo during yesterday's part of the DNC.

00:27:19.000 He said, look, America, it's a great country.

00:27:21.000 We've always been a great country.

00:27:23.000 We're rah-rah for the red, white, white, and blue, right?

00:27:26.000 It was the most patriotic speech you ever heard.

00:27:28.000 Let's not forget this, the same Andrew Cuomo six months ago said, America was never great.

00:27:33.000 We're not going to make America great again.

00:27:34.000 America was never great.

00:27:35.000 Those are his exact words.

00:27:37.000 You see this with all the rest.

00:27:38.000 They've titled this, We the People, to Harken Back to the Constitution.

00:27:43.000 They want to pretend that they're a constitutional party.

00:27:45.000 They're not.

00:27:46.000 Trump has a great advantage here, which is that the left gave up the American flag, right?

00:27:50.000 It's like they gave up hot dogs and apple pie, too.

00:27:54.000 They gave it up because they'd become so radicalized.

00:27:56.000 Trump should own that.

00:27:58.000 We're now the pro-America party.

00:28:00.000 That's the theme.

00:28:01.000 It brings itself out in a lot of different ways.

00:28:02.000 Pro-America in that we don't want to kill babies.

00:28:05.000 Pro-America in that we don't want our children to have their lives ruined on television because of a leftist media.

00:28:11.000 We're the pro-America party because we want to be able to protect our property and exercise our Second Amendment rights.

00:28:16.000 So I love all of that.

00:28:17.000 And I think the key here is even beyond the kind of ideological theme is the entertainment factor.

00:28:24.000 Donald Trump is a showman.

00:28:26.000 Donald Trump knows that you got to keep it interesting, keep it entertaining.

00:28:30.000 You don't want to bore people to death.

00:28:32.000 There's nothing patriotic or sophisticated about boring people to death.

00:28:36.000 And I just think, as you said, Charlie, you put it very well.

00:28:39.000 The Democrats have played the DNC so safe.

00:28:43.000 It's been preposterous and so boring.

00:28:45.000 The numbers, the ratings are way down.

00:28:47.000 I think Trump knows better than that.

00:28:48.000 And I hope that all the Republicans follow suit.

00:28:52.000 Man, them going after Harvey Weinstein has not been good for the production value of the Democrat National Convention.

00:28:57.000 Let me tell you, it's a good thing he's in jail, did some bad things, but has not been good for them.

00:29:03.000 I mean, you'd think they'd be able to find a Scorsese or somebody, right?

00:29:06.000 I mean, find somebody in their Rolodex.

00:29:08.000 You would think.

00:29:09.000 I don't know.

00:29:10.000 I also want to, I'm going to dive in.

00:29:12.000 I'm going to raise your Edmund Burke with a Thomas Paine.

00:29:15.000 Of course, they wrote back and forth each other.

00:29:17.000 And I actually think they had more in common than we give them credit for.

00:29:19.000 You and I could do a podcast about this.

00:29:21.000 I think they get miscategorized as being like the beginning of left and right in America.

00:29:25.000 When in reality, I actually think that where things have come, that the divergence are actually much closer together.

00:29:30.000 Anyway, so Thomas Paine had a great quote.

00:29:32.000 He said, the greater the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.

00:29:36.000 Going into September, I just love a good rebellion.

00:29:39.000 Maybe it's the Scott and me.

00:29:41.000 So I see both.

00:29:42.000 I love Edmund Burke, but I also love Thomas Payne.

00:29:44.000 Without Thomas Payne, we don't have America, but he was kind of revolution shopping, to be honest.

00:29:48.000 He was just like continent.

00:29:52.000 No, he was a revolution shopper.

00:29:54.000 He's like, all right, we got the American one done. 0.95

00:29:55.000 French, you're up next.

00:29:57.000 And Burke was like, not all revolutions are created equal, right?

00:30:00.000 So what does Trump have to do to win outside of the convention?

00:30:05.000 What are you seeing?

00:30:06.000 What are you hearing?

00:30:07.000 Talk to our audience about things.

00:30:09.000 I mean, you have a huge audience.

00:30:10.000 You have a huge platform.

00:30:12.000 I know we kind of touched on this a little bit, but more broadly, and obviously you're a huge Trump supporter.

00:30:17.000 What does he have to do to win?

00:30:18.000 Because this is a conflict likes to which we've never imagined.

00:30:22.000 The triumph will be glorious if we win.

00:30:23.000 What does he have to do to be able to win?

00:30:25.000 So I think, you know, just broad messaging, obviously, rah-rah, hug the American flag.

00:30:30.000 He's been doing that for years.

00:30:31.000 He's got to be very clear in the COVID messaging because Democrats are basically just running on COVID.

00:30:38.000 And I think there have been some missteps, particularly a couple months ago by the Trump campaign.

00:30:43.000 You know, sometimes a wrong decision is better than indecision.

00:30:48.000 And if you stand in the middle of the road, you're going to get hit by a bus.

00:30:51.000 And I could give you any other number of sort of colloquialisms to explain this, but you've really got to be clear on messaging.

00:30:58.000 Trump has been so clear on so much messaging that, you know, I think this would be the exception.

00:31:03.000 And he's got to pick a side here.

00:31:04.000 And I think what we've got to remember is that this election is not just Republicans versus Democrats.

00:31:11.000 I don't think people like Republicans that much.

00:31:13.000 And I don't think the Democratic Party is even the primary issue.

00:31:16.000 What this election is, is the conservative, now you call it the kind of Trump movement, the pro-America movement versus the liberal establishment, which includes the Democratic Party.

00:31:27.000 It includes the media.

00:31:28.000 It includes the administrative state, the bureaucracy, this titanic 2.6 million member bureaucracy that effectively writes our laws for us and that is unaccountable to us.

00:31:41.000 And they don't care what we have to say and we can't vote them out of office.

00:31:44.000 And I think a lot of the Trump movement was from this frustration that it doesn't matter.

00:31:48.000 Republicans win, Democrats win, but we get more and more open borders.

00:31:51.000 We get more and more bad trade deals.

00:31:53.000 We get more and more of this kind of creeping liberal revolution.

00:31:57.000 And what Trump did was he empowered people and said, no, not yet.

00:32:00.000 And he had to fight the Democrats.

00:32:02.000 He had to fight his own party too.

00:32:03.000 And so I think a lot of that message, the message could be summed up in that meme he tweeted the other day, which was a picture of him.

00:32:09.000 It said, they're not after me.

00:32:11.000 They're after you.

00:32:13.000 And I just happen to be in the way.

00:32:15.000 I think that's got to be the line.

00:32:16.000 You've got to hit even the beautiful, vaunted public health experts and any other bureaucrat in Washington who thinks that they can run your life and keep you out of your church and keep you out of your school and keep you out of your job and out of your life.

00:32:31.000 I think this election's got to be a big middle finger to them.

00:32:34.000 And it's got to be a message that we can empower the people, even still, even in this second term.

00:32:40.000 I think if Trump runs on that, he'll have a great message.

00:32:43.000 And then related to that is he's got to make sure that this universal nationwide mail-in voting doesn't happen.

00:32:49.000 That's related, by the way, to the bureaucracy that is going to administer that.

00:32:54.000 That is how the left is going to try to steal this election.

00:32:56.000 And it should be quashed any way possible, any legal way possible.

00:33:02.000 Can you dive deeper into that?

00:33:04.000 We actually just, we're getting a ton of questions.

00:33:05.000 Freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:07.000 Whoever we select, you get a signed copy of the MAGA doctrine.

00:33:09.000 I'll send it to you.

00:33:09.000 Rebecca from Vermont, I'll send you a MAGA doctrine because you just said this.

00:33:12.000 What do you think about mail-in voting?

00:33:14.000 What can we do to stop it?

00:33:14.000 Tell us why it's bad.

00:33:16.000 Basically, is her question.

00:33:17.000 Can you dive deeper into that, Michael?

00:33:18.000 Because some Republicans are not fighting on this issue.

00:33:20.000 Why is this something that we have to draw the line?

00:33:23.000 I'm with you.

00:33:23.000 I think this is a make or break issue for the Republic.

00:33:26.000 And if we do not really get serious about voter integrity, we're done.

00:33:30.000 Tell us.

00:33:30.000 So I'll give you a very, very simple answer on this or a simple example.

00:33:35.000 A news affiliate out of Philly just did an experiment with the mail-in ballots.

00:33:40.000 They made 100 dummy mail-in ballots.

00:33:42.000 They put them in a mailbox.

00:33:43.000 It was going to be sent to a P.O. box right down the street.

00:33:46.000 It took after four days, most of them had not come in.

00:33:49.000 After seven days, there were still ballots that hadn't come in.

00:33:51.000 They got two birthday cards in the mailbox.

00:33:53.000 Don't know how.

00:33:54.000 They lost three ballots.

00:33:55.000 Three ballots, 3%. 0.58

00:33:57.000 Do you think 3% can swing an election? 0.97

00:33:59.000 I think it can.

00:34:00.000 I think it would have swung basically every major election we can think of in our lifetimes.

00:34:06.000 Plus, you've added to that 80 to 100 million people are expected to use mail-in ballots this year.

00:34:10.000 You're talking about a huge number of voters.

00:34:12.000 And then beyond that, those were ballots that were just lost by the regular incompetence of the mail service.

00:34:18.000 Do you think during such a consequential election that there won't be a little bit more pressure?

00:34:23.000 There won't be a little bit more shenanigans.

00:34:26.000 I mean, we've seen voter fraud.

00:34:27.000 There was a big case out of New Jersey that just happened a few weeks ago.

00:34:30.000 But then even consider this, the postal workers union endorses candidates.

00:34:34.000 Consider this.

00:34:35.000 The post office, our wonderful, vaunted post office that nobody really seemed to like very much until it became a political issue two days ago.

00:34:43.000 They are part of a bureaucracy, right?

00:34:46.000 I'll give you an example.

00:34:47.000 My grandmother sent me a birthday present.

00:34:50.000 You know, it was like, I don't know, 20, 50 bucks or something in a card a couple of years ago.

00:34:55.000 When I get the card, it was opened.

00:34:57.000 I don't know.

00:34:58.000 The money came out, by the way.

00:34:59.000 Money wasn't there when I got it.

00:35:01.000 How many people have the same story?

00:35:02.000 I know many of my friends have had the same story.

00:35:05.000 That's why they don't trust sending cash in the mail.

00:35:06.000 People tell you don't send cash in the mail.

00:35:08.000 How much more valuable is your ballot than a $20 bill or a $50 bill?

00:35:13.000 This is your participation in American democracy, and it is at risk of being stolen.

00:35:19.000 The way to stop that is to, ironically, I can't believe I'm saying this, listen to Fauci.

00:35:24.000 Fauci says there is zero health risk to showing up at the ballot box where we have appropriate ballot security measures.

00:35:32.000 Anybody who is discouraging you from showing up to that ballot box is trying to steal the election.

00:35:38.000 Yes.

00:35:39.000 And if they can show up in the streets to protest in-person voting, then they can go vote.

00:35:44.000 I mean, that's probably one of the greatest cell phones that we've ever seen.

00:35:48.000 I mean, they have people, they have thousands and thousands and thousands of people.

00:35:52.000 And from an epidemiological standpoint, it is the wokest virus we've ever seen in our life, where if you happen to be protesting something that is righteous enough, somehow it will not infect you.

00:36:02.000 However, we're starting to look at infection numbers and we look across the Sunbelt, they're going down.

00:36:07.000 And this is something that is ever-changing, obviously.

00:36:09.000 But the president is actually going to be able to, I think, be able to pivot towards a very uncomfortable position for Joe Biden here, where he can be like, look, things a couple months ago, the numbers weren't great, but now look where the numbers are.

00:36:21.000 And so I really agree with you that the more kind of in-person rallies, he did one today in Arizona, did two yesterday in Wisconsin and Minnesota.

00:36:29.000 And if Trump can visit Wisconsin, why can't Joe Biden visit Wisconsin?

00:36:32.000 Like, that's probably a pretty, you know, respectable question.

00:36:36.000 And so I think, look, you're exactly right with the mail and voting is because when the Democrats want something this bad, the question should be, why do they want it this bad?

00:36:44.000 Do they really care about the disenfranchised and they really care about the least of these?

00:36:47.000 Of course they don't.

00:36:48.000 I mean, and this is something, when you understand the left, everything that motivates them is a pursuit of power.

00:36:53.000 There is no benevolence.

00:36:54.000 There is no generosity.

00:36:55.000 There is no looking out for the innocent.

00:36:57.000 There is no trying to help the least of these.

00:37:00.000 It's how do I get myself to be the most important person in perpetual political power for the longest personal time I possibly can and try to build an infrastructure so I can turn myself into some form of a Roman emperor.

00:37:12.000 And anything besides that gets in the way.

00:37:14.000 We have another question here, Michael.

00:37:15.000 I'd love to get your thoughts in just the couple minutes we have remaining, but we're crushing it.

00:37:19.000 We have like 5,000 live viewers right now.

00:37:21.000 So thanks for hanging around.

00:37:24.000 Big tech censorship.

00:37:25.000 Is this a threat?

00:37:26.000 How do we deal with it?

00:37:28.000 And what is your opinion of it?

00:37:30.000 Obviously, we're doing this right now on a tech platform.

00:37:32.000 Just as you were bragging about what a great job we're doing, you actually cut out a little bit on the questions.

00:37:37.000 What was the question?

00:37:38.000 It's hilarious.

00:37:39.000 I was asking about big tech censorship.

00:37:41.000 So that is hilarious.

00:37:44.000 That's all I have to say.

00:37:46.000 Go ahead.

00:37:48.000 It's really, it's really, really bad.

00:37:51.000 My show is regularly being dinged, being taken down.

00:37:56.000 Threats are being made about my show.

00:37:59.000 I won't go into too many of the specifics yet because we're trying to deal with this in as clever a way as we can.

00:38:08.000 Big tech across the platforms, every single one, is trying not just to take you down for some copyright thing or you played a little piece of a song or you showed it.

00:38:19.000 They're trying to take you down for things you're saying.

00:38:21.000 If you're making political arguments, if you're making observations, if you're reading scientific studies, they're trying to take you down.

00:38:27.000 We saw this the other day with those doctors who were talking about how for their patients, hydroxychloroquine worked very well in treating coronavirus.

00:38:36.000 Those videos were taken down.

00:38:37.000 People who posted those videos were told that they would not be permitted to continue to have their Facebook pages.

00:38:45.000 This has always been about the election.

00:38:47.000 The reason for that is, I mean, this is just kind of a little behind the scenes in the tech world.

00:38:52.000 Trump did very well on tech in 2016, not even just organically.

00:38:56.000 I mean, his campaign actually just did a better job on these platforms than the Hillary campaign did.

00:39:03.000 They got a lot of pushback for this.

00:39:04.000 They got a lot of flag for this.

00:39:05.000 And so they told them, okay, it's not going to happen again.

00:39:09.000 Google had a, just days after the election, you know, in that kind of afterwards, it was their first big meeting with all the heads of Google in the room.

00:39:17.000 They said this nationalism, this rise of populism, we can't let this happen again.

00:39:22.000 And they're trying to make sure that that's the case.

00:39:24.000 The one thing I can promise you is that from now until November 3rd, the censorship is going to get much worse.

00:39:29.000 And I think a lot of conservatives finally are waking up to this fact.

00:39:32.000 They used to say, well, Twitter's a private company.

00:39:35.000 Well, Google's a private company.

00:39:37.000 That's sort of true.

00:39:39.000 But there are a lot of other legal issues at play here.

00:39:41.000 And more broadly, do we want a politics where we, the people, still have an authentic political voice?

00:39:48.000 Or do we want a political rule in which three oligarchs in Silicon Valley control the entire flow of information around the internet?

00:39:56.000 What can get out there?

00:39:58.000 That is not a Madisonian federalist constitutional American system.

00:40:02.000 That is a deep abuse.

00:40:03.000 That's a deep perversion.

00:40:04.000 And I think those guys at big tech need to go down.

00:40:09.000 Well, yeah, look, and this is an uncomfortable conversation for people to have, but you and I love liberty, right?

00:40:14.000 And we love to be able to speak freely.

00:40:16.000 What happens when a company becomes more powerful than your government?

00:40:18.000 What's the playbook for that?

00:40:20.000 And the playbook should be: we should protect liberty.

00:40:24.000 That's the answer.

00:40:25.000 It doesn't matter if it's a group of 25,000 Silicon Valley socialists or if it's 250,000 people at the Department of Energy.

00:40:32.000 It doesn't matter.

00:40:34.000 The question is whether or not liberty is being violated.

00:40:36.000 And it's very rare that a private company gets that threshold.

00:40:39.000 It's incredibly rare, but it's there and it's here right now.

00:40:42.000 Michael, how can people learn more about what you're doing and follow you?

00:40:45.000 And then I have one final question for you.

00:40:46.000 And thank you for sticking around for some extra time.

00:40:49.000 But we're the only conservative live stream in town right now.

00:40:52.000 So it seems we're doing quite well.

00:40:53.000 How could people follow you and learn more about what you're doing?

00:40:56.000 So until tech kicks me off, you can find me on Twitter, Michael J. Knowles.

00:41:00.000 You can find me on Parlor at Michael J. Knowles.

00:41:02.000 You can find me, I guess Parlor is probably not going to kick me off.

00:41:04.000 You can find me on Facebook at the Michael Knowles show.

00:41:06.000 Same thing on YouTube.

00:41:07.000 You can get that on Apple Podcasts, Google Play Stitcher.

00:41:09.000 I don't know, probably MySpace, Live Journal.

00:41:11.000 I don't know.

00:41:11.000 I've got a lot of stuff out there.

00:41:12.000 You can find most of those links at michaeljknowles.com.

00:41:16.000 And then pretty soon, Charlie, people are going to see me talking to you on the PragerU Book Club.

00:41:22.000 We don't have a release date yet, but people will see that soon.

00:41:26.000 We're going to be doing Thomas Paine, Common Sense.

00:41:28.000 I think we're doing that, right?

00:41:29.000 Are we doing?

00:41:30.000 I got to check with them.

00:41:31.000 We were thrown around like five or six books.

00:41:34.000 The trouble, as you know, Charlie, because you're like an autodidact, you've always got some book going, is you could do any number of books.

00:41:42.000 So we'll like spin the wheel, do a roulette wheel and figure out which one we're doing.

00:41:45.000 Yeah, as long as we don't do the phenomenology of spirit by Hegel, I think we'll be just fine.

00:41:50.000 We're not doing Hegel.

00:41:51.000 We're not doing Engel.

00:41:52.000 We're not doing Kant.

00:41:53.000 We'll do something a little bit more condemned.

00:41:55.000 Yeah, no, no categorical imperative.

00:41:57.000 Last question here, Michael.

00:41:59.000 Do you think that Joe Biden will debate Donald Trump?

00:42:05.000 It's a very difficult question because there's no reason for Joe Biden to debate Donald Trump if he can get away with it. 0.96

00:42:13.000 The one reason he has to is because he'll look like a coward. 0.87

00:42:17.000 It'll be so obvious. 0.89

00:42:18.000 We're all talking about how he's in decline.

00:42:21.000 If you ask me right now, put money, yes or no, will he debate?

00:42:24.000 I think he will debate in part because early voting, mail-in voting, is going to happen before even the first debate, which was a complete mistake.

00:42:31.000 I mean, I don't know how I don't know how we got into that situation, but that's a big misstep.

00:42:36.000 So I think he could do it.

00:42:38.000 I think they'll try to drag their feet.

00:42:39.000 I think they'll try to make it an online debate or a Zoom debate, which won't be a debate at all.

00:42:43.000 And President Trump should not participate in that.

00:42:44.000 It's got to be a live debate.

00:42:46.000 It's got to be in person.

00:42:47.000 Trump will eat him for lunch.

00:42:50.000 Biden, they'll probably slow walk it.

00:42:51.000 I mean, they'll probably drag their feet on it and say, well, we couldn't come to terms and coronavirus or whatever.

00:42:57.000 But the one thing, so I'll put my money on there will be a debate.

00:43:00.000 But the one thing I know for sure is there is no world in which a debate helps Joe Biden.

00:43:06.000 And so I think they're going to be pretty crafty in trying to get out of it.

00:43:09.000 What do you think?

00:43:11.000 You know, I see no reason why he should, but I think he's going to be forced into.

00:43:14.000 I think that political orthodoxy and tradition is actually going to put him into it.

00:43:18.000 But I think that if he was actually channeling his inter-leftist, which is to upend all tradition of the pursuit of power, why do it?

00:43:25.000 I think that I and I think that I think his actual stubbornness is going to do it.

00:43:31.000 And I think that it's going to be a downfall for him.

00:43:33.000 And I think that president, there's going to be a moment that if they debate, first, they're going to try to do it through a Zoom call.

00:43:38.000 The president should offer to send Maureen One, wherever he is, to do it at the White House.

00:43:41.000 I've already recommended this publicly and privately.

00:43:43.000 And there will be a moment when Joe Biden just has a mental collapse.

00:43:47.000 And at that moment, Trump has to not destroy the innocent and instead just kind of look at him.

00:43:52.000 He has to have a Ronald Reagan line and say, I think we all know what that means.

00:43:56.000 And like something like really soft but strong, right?

00:44:00.000 He's got to, I, I, this is my own opinion.

00:44:02.000 It can't be like, you're a total disaster.

00:44:04.000 Like, and I don't think he would.

00:44:05.000 I'm not suggesting, but it's tempting, right?

00:44:08.000 But Joe Biden's going to forget a name or stutter or do something.

00:44:10.000 And Trump's, you know, President Trump should say, I think we all know who's more equipped to run the country.

00:44:15.000 Like, boom.

00:44:16.000 Like, there was this bit that when Trump was asked a while ago, he said, Do you think that Joe Biden's too old to be president?

00:44:22.000 He had this very quick response.

00:44:24.000 It was where he goes, Joe, too old.

00:44:26.000 I don't know about too old.

00:44:27.000 Here's what I know.

00:44:28.000 I'm young.

00:44:29.000 I'm a young, vibrant man.

00:44:31.000 Joe, I don't know about him.

00:44:33.000 I mean, it's that sort of light touch.

00:44:35.000 I think I totally agree with you.

00:44:37.000 I think that would clobber him.

00:44:39.000 And he is the best on his feet.

00:44:41.000 We underestimate how good Trump is on his feet.

00:44:44.000 Like, you'll be in jail.

00:44:45.000 Like, I mean, incredible, right?

00:44:46.000 I mean, I think that won him millions of votes across the country.

00:44:49.000 It's like, if someone's that savage, I know.

00:44:53.000 Only wrote, like, that changed the trajectory of American politics forever.

00:44:57.000 Or my favorite Jeb Bush.

00:44:58.000 He's like, Jeb used to be next to me.

00:45:00.000 He kept moving all the way down on the stage.

00:45:04.000 I know.

00:45:06.000 You could do Trump debate lines like all night.

00:45:08.000 You could do a whole episode.

00:45:09.000 Oh, no, that's right.

00:45:10.000 I know, exactly.

00:45:11.000 And I mean, look, he's a master marketer marketer.

00:45:14.000 In a lot of ways, the Biden campaign strategies to try to keep that in a bottle.

00:45:18.000 It's not actually going to happen.

00:45:20.000 In fact, what was that?

00:45:22.000 What's the phrase I keep using for you, Michael?

00:45:24.000 I'm going to give you attribution.

00:45:25.000 Things happen gradually, then suddenly.

00:45:29.000 That's the line.

00:45:30.000 Which I took from President.

00:45:33.000 He took from Hemingway, I think.

00:45:34.000 But it's an important line.

00:45:35.000 And you called it, what was it, two months ago, probably we were talking about this.

00:45:39.000 And that's the key.

00:45:39.000 And I think we cautiously, I say that might be what we're seeing here.

00:45:44.000 Yeah.

00:45:44.000 Michael, you're awesome.

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00:46:00.000 Thanks so much, Michael.

00:46:01.000 We'll see you soon, man.

00:46:02.000 All right.

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00:46:04.000 See you next time.

00:46:05.000 You bet.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 19, 2020

Democrats' DNC Disaster—LIVE Reaction to Night Two w- Michael Knowles

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