The Charlie Kirk Show - Democrats Lose the Politics of Riots

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00:01:32.000 One of my favorite guests is here.

00:01:34.000 He's such a smart thinker.

00:01:37.000 And a great analytical mind, Alex Marlowe.

00:01:40.000 I saw one of his tweets the other day, and I said to Andrew, get him on the show immediately.

00:01:45.000 And I just loved it.

00:01:45.000 Let me read it to you.

00:01:46.000 It's Alex Marlowe, Breitbart.com, phenomenal Alex Marlowe show.

00:01:49.000 Alex, great to see you.

00:01:50.000 Let me read your tweet, Alex, and I'll let you riff on it.

00:01:52.000 Quote, the invasion of Los Angeles happened decades ago.

00:01:55.000 I know.

00:01:56.000 I've lived here most of my life.

00:01:57.000 The Democrats who run this place and the establishment media put illegal alien criminals over law-abiding citizens every single time.

00:02:03.000 It destroyed our schools, overwhelmed our healthcare system, and balkanized us to the point where we have no real culture.

00:02:09.000 We should have stopped it a long time ago.

00:02:11.000 Donald Trump is stopping it now.

00:02:13.000 Get out of his way.

00:02:13.000 Free LA from this madness.

00:02:15.000 Alex, I love it.

00:02:16.000 As an Angeleno yourself, please speak about this.

00:02:20.000 Yeah, thank you, Charlie.

00:02:21.000 This is one of these things where I'm watching all these libs on social media yell at us and these celebrities yell at us like we're monsters if we're intolerant of Trump enforcing the law.

00:02:32.000 This city was ruined decades ago.

00:02:35.000 It was my really education in politics was understanding that my city was getting overrun and it was causing a lot of downstream effects.

00:02:45.000 It wasn't just that people are unpleasant or they're all bad people.

00:02:48.000 No, it's not about that.

00:02:50.000 It's the effects of illegal immigration.

00:02:52.000 And what dawned on me is when I was an intern for Larry Elder about 20 years ago, and he was going through how expensive it costs to educate people and how actually public schools in LA are more expensive than private schools per pupil.

00:03:03.000 It's just the cost is deferred to taxpayers.

00:03:05.000 Why is that?

00:03:07.000 Because there's so much administration that's necessary.

00:03:09.000 There's so many people who don't speak the language.

00:03:10.000 There's so many things that need to be put into place, not just the bureaucracies and the unions and all that stuff, but to educate people where English is a second language and to put that entirely on the state, and they're coming from homes where the parents And we don't just tolerate it, Charlie. 0.80

00:03:24.000 We embrace it.

00:03:25.000 We love it.

00:03:25.000 That's just the school system.

00:03:27.000 So that's why a public school student costs more than a typical Catholic school student in the L.A. area.

00:03:32.000 And the schools are not usable.

00:03:33.000 Our test scores keep going down.

00:03:35.000 There are more dangerous places to be.

00:03:37.000 They're completely unpleasant parts of life here.

00:03:40.000 That's just one example.

00:03:41.000 But health care is another massive one.

00:03:44.000 My wife worked at a community hospital serving a largely Hispanic population, and they don't ask you for your papers when you go in to get a service.

00:03:52.000 And if you need something, like let's say a bone marrow transplant, it costs $700,000.

00:03:58.000 And if you're an illegal alien and you showed up at her county hospital in L.A. that she worked at, they don't turn you away.

00:04:04.000 Who is paying for that, Charlie?

00:04:06.000 I'm paying for it.

00:04:07.000 The taxpayers are paying for it.

00:04:08.000 And so how can you run a city like this?

00:04:11.000 And yet we just accepted it, that this is what we're going to have in this city.

00:04:15.000 Illegal aliens are going to make everything expensive. 1.00

00:04:17.000 There's going to be more crime.

00:04:18.000 And my point about the culture is very big.

00:04:20.000 L.A. used to be the cultural hub of the world.

00:04:22.000 We're totally balkanized now.

00:04:23.000 There's areas where certain groups of people go and areas where other groups of people go, and they don't always cross over.

00:04:29.000 That is bizarre.

00:04:30.000 That's not America.

00:04:31.000 That's not a melting pot.

00:04:32.000 That's like the prison tray that you get your meals on, where everything's sectioned off.

00:04:38.000 You don't run a city that way.

00:04:40.000 And that's been our life here for decades.

00:04:42.000 And Donald Trump, Stephen Miller, and Tom Homan, and Kristi Noem are saying, why?

00:04:46.000 Why, Charlie?

00:04:47.000 Why are we doing this?

00:04:48.000 We're not doing it anymore.

00:04:49.000 Honestly, you know, my whole life I've heard people complain about traffic on the 405.

00:04:53.000 Mass deportations will help solve that. 1.00

00:04:55.000 Really well.

00:04:57.000 I'm being honest.

00:04:57.000 I mean, you can't bring in millions of people and act as if they have the public infrastructure for it.

00:05:03.000 And look, as a nation, we have a big heart.

00:05:05.000 I think that if someone's in this country and they need immediate health care, you save their life.

00:05:10.000 But you cannot simultaneously have domestic generosity with unruly invasion.

00:05:17.000 They are a contradiction.

00:05:19.000 So then all of a sudden your generosity is taken advantage of and we are naively then subsidizing our own demise.

00:05:26.000 And this is a very, very important point.

00:05:29.000 Good intentions.

00:05:30.000 Everyone has good intentions.

00:05:32.000 They mean nothing.

00:05:33.000 They don't translate to good public policy.

00:05:36.000 And in Los Angeles, it is a cluttered city.

00:05:40.000 And again, the media is going to take this out of context.

00:05:43.000 I don't care. 0.97

00:05:44.000 It's a dirty city. 0.98

00:05:46.000 I'm not saying it's all because of immigrants. 0.99

00:05:47.000 It's just dirty. 0.93

00:05:49.000 Graffiti is everywhere.

00:05:50.000 There's trash on the streets.

00:05:52.000 There's homeless everywhere. 0.97

00:05:53.000 It's a filthy place.

00:05:55.000 And it never used to be that way, right Alex?

00:05:58.000 It doesn't need to be this way.

00:05:59.000 You're exactly right.

00:05:59.000 It's become a filthy place.

00:06:01.000 I've got a video at the top of my Instagram page where I go down to the La Brea Tarpa, which was supposed to be a family place to go.

00:06:07.000 There's a National History Museum.

00:06:09.000 You learn about history.

00:06:09.000 It's a homeless encampment now, basically.

00:06:12.000 Why is that something we want?

00:06:14.000 Why is that something that's a given, that's a guarantee?

00:06:17.000 I was just noticing a mural of Kobe Bryant and his daughter Gigi, who died in a helicopter crash, defaced by these protesters, essentially protesting against ICE.

00:06:27.000 Why is that helping your cause?

00:06:29.000 The city's become a lawless place.

00:06:30.000 And this is the fundamental thing, Charlie.

00:06:32.000 Democrats do not view law and order as a value.

00:06:35.000 They don't like it.

00:06:36.000 They don't think that they want chaos.

00:06:38.000 And so law and order is an antidote to chaos.

00:06:42.000 So they don't like that.

00:06:43.000 So they don't like the concept of we can set a law and we can enforce it.

00:06:46.000 They would rather have things be enforceable based off of their will and their political impetus at the time.

00:06:52.000 And so this has been toxic in this city.

00:06:55.000 It is not working.

00:06:56.000 I'll tell you that my wife, for example, worked as a trainee, so not making a lot of money, treating illegal aliens, and she would do it with a smile on her face, give them the best care she possibly could. 0.87

00:07:05.000 And why?

00:07:06.000 Because to your point, we are humanitarian.

00:07:08.000 I don't want illegal alien kids running around. 1.00

00:07:10.000 They're probably better off in the schools, as expensive as it is.

00:07:12.000 What are they supposed to do?

00:07:13.000 Like run around the neighborhoods all day?

00:07:15.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:07:16.000 We're going to be humanitarian if you're here.

00:07:18.000 So why leave the border open and why not crack down on the people who we know are illegal and should leave?

00:07:23.000 You can have welfare and closed borders or open borders and no welfare.

00:07:28.000 You cannot have both.

00:07:29.000 They cannot coexist.

00:07:30.000 The entire system collapses.

00:07:33.000 It falls apart.

00:07:35.000 And let's kind of go deeper into the whole California thing, which is – We cannot show it enough.

00:07:44.000 And a lot of normal, non-political people in my life are shocked and horrified by this, Alex.

00:07:50.000 And it's not that we're horrified necessarily by the sight of a Mexican flag.

00:07:53.000 My favorite taco place in downtown Phoenix, which they're all Mexican, Mexican flag.

00:07:59.000 No, no, no.

00:07:59.000 It's the symbol.

00:08:01.000 While you are doing destruction, that is obviously a defiance that we have more loyalty to this nation than the one that we're currently domiciled in.

00:08:11.000 Over the smoke and over the ashes.

00:08:14.000 Alex, we have not seen this sort of, let's just say, stunning aesthetic as a gut punch to the Democrat Party since Floydapalooza.

00:08:22.000 Am I right?

00:08:23.000 No, and it's amazing how quickly they went for it because they're trying to do this narrative of the gaslighting for Maxine Waters and some people in the media that this is mostly peaceful.

00:08:32.000 It wasn't peaceful for a second.

00:08:33.000 They immediately said, where's the first electric car?

00:08:36.000 Let's torch it.

00:08:37.000 I mean, they didn't wait five minutes.

00:08:38.000 And with the Mexican flags out there, I got to say, I listen to a lot of Spanish music and I listen to, it's the Mexican food is my favorite type of food.

00:08:48.000 It's a, if I'm ever relaxing, which is very rare, it's probably going to be a tequila or a mezcal that's in my glass.

00:08:53.000 It's like, I'm fine with Mexican culture.

00:08:55.000 That's not what this is.

00:08:56.000 This isn't even Mexican culture.

00:08:57.000 This is an invasion of our cities and are trying to torch things and destroy things. 0.96

00:09:03.000 It's all the destructiveness of it all and the entitlement of it all, that you're allowed to be here even though you broke our rules.

00:09:09.000 And that is something that is national Democrats are looking in horror right now.

00:09:15.000 This is what the sources are telling me right now, and I've spoken to a lot of them in the last couple days.

00:09:19.000 They're horrified about what's going on.

00:09:22.000 Big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big.

00:09:24.000 LA Democrats like it though, Charlie.

00:09:26.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:09:27.000 I'm telling you right now, the non-political, I was telling this to, you know, look, I'm going to just say this, I've said it before.

00:09:33.000 Please.

00:09:33.000 Non-political person, just, you know, muscular class, she helps us out, whatever, great person.

00:09:38.000 Non-political, voted for Trump, but like, out of nowhere, she's like, these riots?

00:09:43.000 This is what Democrats do.

00:09:45.000 She's like, I feel like every couple summers they try to burn down our cities.

00:09:48.000 This is now becoming a meta-narrative.

00:09:51.000 It is being tattooed into the consciousness of the American people, which is that non-political people, because look, if it burns, it goes to the front lines and people look at it.

00:10:02.000 And can we just show that one B-roll, guys, of the one after the other, the cars burning, just in flames?

00:10:08.000 And by the way, just so we're clear, If you're burning an electric car, do you understand the pollution that you are putting into that community?

00:10:16.000 I mean, yes, burning a car is bad.

00:10:17.000 The cobalt that you, I mean, just that alone is like really bad, okay?

00:10:23.000 And these are the environmentalists, right?

00:10:24.000 These are the green people that think the way that you effectuate change is the smell of cobalt in the morning. 1.00

00:10:31.000 And so the, and by the way, the seats, Anyway, that's a whole other separation.

00:10:39.000 Of course, they never cared about that.

00:10:41.000 But the more important component is the Democrats, they seem completely incapable or unwilling to try to rein this in.

00:10:51.000 To me, I just kind of shrug my shoulders.

00:10:53.000 We should not let L.A. burn, though.

00:10:55.000 Some people on the right say, oh, let L.A. burn.

00:10:56.000 No, no, no, this is America.

00:10:58.000 That is National Guard.

00:10:59.000 Force must be met with force.

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00:11:04.000 It's not Mazito.

00:11:05.000 This is not La Raza.

00:11:07.000 This is not some sort of, you know, Mexican project.

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00:12:28.000 Alex, you had a thought.

00:12:29.000 Please chime in.

00:12:30.000 Yeah, Charlie, I think your point, here's the point that you were set up, which I think is really crucial.

00:12:37.000 What is this all about in California?

00:12:39.000 The main thing that's happening right now in the state is that there is a referendum on 30 years of governance or more.

00:12:44.000 Where the entire fabric of the Democrat Party, even the Republican establishment, you saw Rick Caruso out there who was pretty heroic in his response to the LA fires out here.

00:12:53.000 But he's someone who had his businesses at stake and they almost went up in flames because the LA fires, the incompetence of the governance.

00:13:00.000 But now, all of a sudden, he's a big wimp when it comes to standing up for the people against the illegally alien criminals. 1.00

00:13:06.000 I bet he regrets that tweet. 0.76

00:13:07.000 I bet he does.

00:13:08.000 Big time.

00:13:08.000 Unbelievably bad tweet.

00:13:10.000 Second worst tweet of the weekend behind the Simone Biles tweet, which is still worse somehow.

00:13:13.000 But here's what's going on.

00:13:15.000 It's a referendum on 30 years of governance.

00:13:17.000 For Gavin Newsom to admit Trump's right, for Karen Bass to admit Trump's right, and we're actually going to help him, that is saying that everything I've stood for, which has been the fundamental issue in California, is we believe in open borders.

00:13:29.000 That is the society that they've crafted.

00:13:32.000 Yes.

00:13:32.000 Is it that this is wrong?

00:13:34.000 And they can't do that.

00:13:36.000 Gavin Newsom can't run for president now after 30 years in politics, all of a sudden saying, yeah, you know what, we like ICE enforcement.

00:13:42.000 He cannot do that.

00:13:44.000 It's never going to happen.

00:13:44.000 So he has to act like Trump is wrong, Miller's wrong, Holman's wrong, and he's going to stand on behalf of the rioters.

00:13:51.000 Trump has set another trap.

00:13:53.000 This is the proverbial 97-3 issue, and we don't know who the three is.

00:13:56.000 Apparently the three is, I guess, the guys who are out there protesting.

00:13:59.000 But they're completely stuck because they cannot.

00:14:06.000 They are held captive by this ideology.

00:14:09.000 And Alex, the fear that many of us had is, hey, once these deportations happen, you know, we're going to lose public support.

00:14:15.000 Turns out not the case.

00:14:16.000 We're going up in approval.

00:14:18.000 Americans support it.

00:14:19.000 And these riots only pour gasoline on the fire of us getting even more approval.

00:14:24.000 Because now, if you're against us, you're on the side of the rioters.

00:14:27.000 If you're against us, you're on the side of the people flying Mexican flags in our face while they're trying to kill police officers. 0.97

00:14:33.000 Let me repeat that.

00:14:34.000 This was not just like, oh, you know, they're just burning cars, which is bad.

00:14:38.000 Let me be very clear.

00:14:39.000 Burning private property is bad.

00:14:41.000 It's criminal.

00:14:41.000 It is against the Ten Commandments.

00:14:43.000 You shall not do it.

00:14:44.000 It is stealing somebody else's property.

00:14:46.000 It should not be tolerated.

00:14:47.000 But they'll say, oh, it's just stuff.

00:14:49.000 No, no, no.

00:14:49.000 They were trying to kill police officers.

00:14:51.000 Okay?

00:14:52.000 This guy just got indicted for throwing a brick at a police officer's car while it was driving.

00:14:59.000 This is violence against their livelihood, Alex.

00:15:02.000 Yeah, I've got a report from the Department of Homeland Security this morning.

00:15:04.000 Molotov cocktails hurled at officers during the riots.

00:15:08.000 We're going to go around and act like these people are peaceful.

00:15:11.000 There's not a peaceful bone in any of these protesters' bodies.

00:15:13.000 And we're going to see this over the weekend in all likelihood.

00:15:15.000 We're going to see violence break out.

00:15:17.000 They cannot control themselves.

00:15:18.000 They love to riot.

00:15:19.000 They love violence.

00:15:20.000 They love the chaos.

00:15:22.000 And they think that they can just bully us into silence like they did in 2020.

00:15:25.000 It's not happening this time.

00:15:27.000 The people see it.

00:15:28.000 This weekend, they have this thing called the No Kings protest, which is funded by Walmart and the Walton, at least one of the Walton heirs, Christy Walton.

00:15:37.000 And they say it's going to be all peaceful.

00:15:39.000 They can't help themselves, though.

00:15:41.000 And I've intentionally not talked about the No Kings thing because I don't want to make it bigger than that, but everyone's emailing us about it.

00:15:45.000 It's fine.

00:15:46.000 It's already out.

00:15:46.000 And it's going to be everywhere.

00:15:48.000 And I hope everyone remains peaceful.

00:15:50.000 You have the opportunity to be totally wrong and to go against Trump.

00:15:53.000 I don't think it's in their DNA.

00:15:55.000 I don't think it's in their DNA.

00:15:57.000 To be able to stay peaceful.

00:15:59.000 And also, we already seen last night in Atlanta, they were burning cop cars or attempting to.

00:16:03.000 They were launching fireworks at police helicopters.

00:16:08.000 And so all of this, the politics of this is super perplexing.

00:16:12.000 Alex, I wish I could keep you for a full hour, but we have Mark Halperin next.

00:16:15.000 Just really quick, Alex, I want you to comment.

00:16:17.000 We were told when you and I were getting our start 10 years ago, you must be for amnesty or we're going to lose the country.

00:16:24.000 How much things have changed?

00:16:25.000 Final thoughts, Alex Marlow.

00:16:27.000 Completely different, and it's just amazing.

00:16:28.000 And any of you who are going to get confronted by friends saying that we're demonizing illegal aliens, I will tell you, the people who just want to sell mangoes on the side of the road, they want to stay in the shadows.

00:16:38.000 They don't want any of this stuff.

00:16:39.000 Ask them how many families, American families, should have their lives ruined by illegally alien criminals, drunk drivers, fentanyl that comes over our border, murders that go on, rapes that go on. 0.97

00:16:49.000 How many families, American families, should have their lives ruined by illegally alien criminals? 1.00

00:16:52.000 If that answer is above zero, you and I have nothing to talk about.

00:16:55.000 That number is zero, Charlie.

00:16:57.000 And here's the thing.

00:16:58.000 A lot of Hispanics that are going to get deported or their family will be deported, you know who they're going to blame? 0.99

00:17:02.000 They're going to blame the rioters because it now justifies an equal and opposite reaction.

00:17:07.000 It justifies force. 1.00

00:17:08.000 And so the people that then get deported, they'll be like, those stupid morons that started burning cars. 1.00

00:17:14.000 You know, of course they're going to respond, and they being the U.S. government. 1.00

00:17:18.000 And we will.

00:17:18.000 Final thoughts, Alex?

00:17:19.000 Yeah, legal immigrants are moving to Trump faster than any other group.

00:17:23.000 They hate this stuff.

00:17:25.000 I will tell you, they despise it.

00:17:27.000 If you fail to assimilate to our culture, then you will no longer have a country. 0.99

00:17:33.000 Multiculturalism has been a failure. 1.00

00:17:35.000 Uniculturalism is actually what the founders wanted.

00:17:37.000 E pluribus unum.

00:17:38.000 As Andrew Breitbart would say all the time, he would say he educated America on e pluribus unum with Dennis Prager and Andrew Breitbart.

00:17:45.000 E pluribus unum out of many one.

00:17:47.000 You could keep your traditions and you could keep your food, but you're coming here to assimilate to our culture. 0.68

00:17:53.000 Alex, thanks so much.

00:17:55.000 Beautifully put.

00:17:55.000 Thanks, Charlie.

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00:18:46.000 Go to Y-R-E-F-Y.com.

00:18:51.000 We have a phenomenal guest and a regular of the show, Mark Halperin, editor-in-chief of Two Way and host of Next Up on the Megyn Kelly Network.

00:19:00.000 Mark, great to see you.

00:19:01.000 I'm coming on your show a lot, so you had to reciprocate.

00:19:03.000 Great to have you back on the program.

00:19:05.000 Delighted to be here, and you've inspired me.

00:19:08.000 I need to get a name for my studio.

00:19:10.000 Maybe the Frito-Lays.

00:19:12.000 Yes, you got it.

00:19:13.000 Come on, Mark.

00:19:13.000 Wendy's.

00:19:14.000 You got to name it.

00:19:15.000 You got to name the studio.

00:19:16.000 You got to name every...

00:19:22.000 So, Mark, there's a question I've been meaning to ask you.

00:19:26.000 Which is, how from the outside are Democrats, how were they viewing the Elon-Trump situation last week, and then how is it settling in their mind today?

00:19:37.000 At least from my outsider perspective, it seemed as if there was some sort of joy and delight in the kind of schism, but it looks as if that is being healed.

00:19:47.000 From the Democrats that you talked to, walk us through the inside.

00:19:56.000 I think there are two groups of Democrats who I've talked to about this, so I'd break them down.

00:20:00.000 And the larger group tends to respond to things always leading with Trump derangement syndrome.

00:20:07.000 And so for them, anything that's chaos with Donald Trump's world or anything that suggests a negative storyline that the press is going to cover, they like.

00:20:16.000 They just kind of have a visceral reaction to it.

00:20:19.000 So they're just...

00:20:23.000 And they always want to then plug that into their sustaining now decade-long narrative of he's the chaos candidate, he's the chaos president.

00:20:32.000 All this is going to come a cropper because he doesn't have any idea what he's doing and he's so mercurial.

00:20:39.000 There's a smaller, more thoughtful group that recognizes that the party has a problem.

00:20:46.000 From a practical point of view on fundraising and a relationship to the future with Silicon Valley, because the Silicon Valley wing of America used to be much more aligned with the Democrats, ideologically, practically, in terms of helping with campaigns, etc.

00:21:04.000 And that's shifted now.

00:21:05.000 Now, it's not 100 percent shift and Elon, but Elon is just one of many who many of whom you know well, who now think of themselves as being part of Team Trump and more Republican, more conservative.

00:21:16.000 And that group of Democrats says, well, is this an opening either explicitly with Elon, which I doubt it will be, or more generally, can we use this as an opportunity to to say where that where the disagreements are?

00:21:29.000 For instance, Elon seems very concerned all of a sudden, some Trump people would tell you about deficit reduction.

00:21:35.000 Maybe this is an opportunity for the Democrats to to glom onto that and become the deficit reduction party.

00:21:58.000 The day that all this happened, and I was mocked, I said, before Christmas, Elon Musk will be at Mar-a-Lago with two scoops of ice cream next to President Donald Trump on the patio, and all will be right in the world.

00:22:10.000 And people said, no way!

00:22:11.000 I said, I think I know these two guys.

00:22:14.000 I said, and even a week from now, it's going to be a little bit simmered down, and looks like that prediction might be right.

00:22:21.000 We'll see what happens.

00:22:22.000 It might be as early as July 4th in Bedman Street.

00:22:24.000 I'll just say, I think Elon's going to have to pony up some cash for the midterms in order to make this fully right.

00:22:31.000 Which he might have done anyway.

00:22:33.000 I'll just say, I thought they'd stay together longer.

00:22:36.000 And there's really nothing in it for Elon Musk to be at war with the president.

00:22:41.000 There's lots of negatives to it, but there's nothing positive about it.

00:22:44.000 And so I think you're right that this is kind of some sort of rapprochement was inexorable.

00:22:49.000 And Donald Trump, contrary to what people think about him, is the ultimate forgiver.

00:22:53.000 He just is happy to move on if he thinks it's in his interest.

00:22:56.000 And it's in his interest to have rapprochement as well.

00:22:59.000 So now back to the main news that's been dominating the last couple of days, which is the riots that started in Los Angeles.

00:23:08.000 And there was some unrest in Atlanta, and it's been spreading to other cities.

00:23:12.000 What are Democrats saying about this internally?

00:23:15.000 Externally, some are still calling it peaceful protests.

00:23:19.000 In fact, L.A. was so peaceful that Karen Bass had to do a curfew.

00:23:23.000 It's amazing.

00:23:24.000 She had to contain the peacefulness.

00:23:27.000 By issuing a curfew.

00:23:28.000 Now, to Senator John Fetterman's credit, he said, look, this is not peaceful.

00:23:32.000 This is a riot.

00:23:33.000 What are we doing here?

00:23:34.000 This is violent.

00:23:35.000 Explain to me, because is that a little bit of a divide in the Democrat Party, like one that's living in reality and one that's living in fantasy land?

00:23:41.000 Please, Mark.

00:23:42.000 It is.

00:23:42.000 It's another divide where the larger group is the group that's wedded to the past.

00:23:47.000 There's some important issues here.

00:23:48.000 I don't think anyone should be cavalier about putting National Guard or active duty military on the streets of the United States, whatever they're going to be doing, that should be done with thoughtfulness and care and fidelity to the law and the Constitution.

00:23:59.000 And I think the debate about what to do with the tens of millions or maybe millions, well, it's hard to say, but certainly millions of people who came to this country illegally and since then, as far as we know, have committed no crimes and have contributed to society and are woven into the fabric of a lot of communities.

00:24:15.000 Those are two really important debates to have.

00:24:17.000 But Democrats can't move to those debates. 0.87

00:24:20.000 For two reasons.

00:24:21.000 One is their positions on those two issues are, for the most part, out of the mainstream, and confronting that is something they don't want to do.

00:24:28.000 And second, again, back to Trump derangement syndrome, they just want to talk about Donald Trump having a secret plan to declare a military junta in the United States and have active duty military shooting civilians all over the country.

00:24:43.000 Most Democrats now look at Gavin Newsom with new enthusiasm and excitement because they just want there to be a big fight between Trump.

00:24:56.000 That's where most Democrats are. 0.97

00:24:57.000 Some, like John Fetterman, and he's not the only one, David Ignatius, columnist in the Washington Post today, said quite plainly, this is a 10-year failure on the part of the Democrats.

00:25:06.000 Like, we can't be in the debate about use of the military.

00:25:09.000 We can't be in the debate about who should be deported if the Democratic Party doesn't have a clear point of view about some of these issues where they are on the wrong side of things.

00:25:19.000 That position is smaller than the Trump derangement syndrome one, and it's not dominant.

00:25:24.000 They can barely get the words out of their mouth to say there's no problem, or there is a problem.

00:25:30.000 And you pointed out the strangeness of the mayor saying everything's fine, but we need a curfew.

00:25:35.000 The reality is, there's a lot of issues here, but this is quite simple to me.

00:25:40.000 Federal law enforcement was doing something that...

00:25:49.000 And state and local officials could not protect either them or civic order and private property.

00:25:55.000 Pretty basic.

00:25:57.000 The president of the United States is responsible for protecting ICE officers.

00:26:01.000 The president of the United States has got to have to ensure domestic tranquility if state and local officials can't or won't.

00:26:08.000 And there's no local police force in the country, with the possible exception of Gotham City, who has the capacity to put in the physical infrastructure to make sure there is order restored and civic unrest deterred and property destruction unmolested.

00:26:22.000 The Democrats just can't talk about these issues because they don't want to come clean with their being on the wrong side of so many of the underlying factors.

00:26:30.000 And until that happens, you know, my friend John Pedoritz tweeted this morning that he's watching the Democratic Party lock in their minority status for 20 years because of their failure to just speak the truth about what's going on.

00:26:42.000 That might be a little bit of an overstatement, but it's certainly a minority of Democrats now I talk to who seem to get what's happening.

00:26:52.000 I don't want to cavalierly throw the National Guard on the street.

00:26:55.000 My opinion was always I would rather be on the side of not necessarily being wrong, but a little bit overreacting early than late after 2020, where I feel as if there was widespread destruction.

00:27:07.000 So at least that's my temperament angling in that direction.

00:27:10.000 And I'm willing to hear a counter to that.

00:27:14.000 I will say, though, someone that is nonpolitical in my life, just a working class person, she's great.

00:27:21.000 She voted for Trump, but she can go either way.

00:27:25.000 So funny.

00:27:26.000 Ran into her, and she's like, Charlie, what is up with these riots?

00:27:29.000 She comes out of nowhere.

00:27:30.000 She says, this is what the Democrats do, right?

00:27:32.000 I feel like every couple years, they just burn down our cities.

00:27:35.000 And for me, it was as if this is just a meta-narrative.

00:27:38.000 Again, she does not know about the big, beautiful bill.

00:27:40.000 She doesn't know about, you know, any of this stuff.

00:27:43.000 It's just like the one thing that for her, it's pattern recognition.

00:27:47.000 She's like, I feel like every couple years, they're just burning stuff down.

00:27:51.000 And I don't like that.

00:27:52.000 And for her, that is just a tattooed impression, more so than Trump impeachments, more so than all the stuff that they're throwing at Donald Trump.

00:28:01.000 You know, he's an insurrectionist.

00:28:03.000 There's something about chaos in the streets that politically is very unpopular.

00:28:09.000 Who would have ever thought so, Mark?

00:28:11.000 And then connected also to the Democrats back in the 70s.

00:28:13.000 Isn't there a connection to how the Democrats played a little bit of footsie with these guys back in the 60s or 70s and they were not rewarded very much?

00:28:20.000 Yeah.

00:28:21.000 Being the party of weakness and tolerance for violence, it's not a winning place.

00:28:26.000 And we've always had, in the modern era, we've had this notion of the Democrats as the mommy party and Republicans as the daddy party.

00:28:34.000 You hear Democrats denouncing the violence, and it's the most pro forma thing possible.

00:28:40.000 It's like watching a third-ranked local TV anchor read a teleprompter.

00:28:48.000 They just know they have to say, we all decry violence of any sort, da-da-da.

00:28:53.000 If I were the mayor or the governor of a state with that kind of violence, I wouldn't be saying how limited it is.

00:28:59.000 It's only in a few neighborhoods.

00:29:01.000 I'd be expressing moral indignation and focused determination to put a stop to it.

00:29:07.000 And again, I've said this before, they should be thanking the president.

00:29:11.000 They could say we have disagreements with the president and he shouldn't be deporting people who sell papaya in the park.

00:29:17.000 And we don't think, you know, we should be cavalier about the use of military.

00:29:22.000 But thank you, Mr. President, for making the National Guard available and for making Marines available so we can restore order to our city.

00:29:28.000 Because our first obligation to our constituents as mayor and governor is to keep people safe and to not allow the wanton destruction of property.

00:29:36.000 and instead...

00:29:37.000 They're claiming the president is trying to impose a military hunt on the whole country.

00:29:41.000 And your friend's point of view about the Democrats, and I think this dovetails with what John Podoretz thinks he's seeing, it's like, You want to be in a discussion about what our national immigration policy should be?

00:29:54.000 You've got to denounce people who are destroying property or threatening federal law enforcement.

00:29:59.000 How could we expect people to want to serve in federal law enforcement, in complicated and dangerous jobs, if we are cavalier about threats to them?

00:30:08.000 I mean, the mayor and the governor should be as outraged as the president about it, and instead, they're reserving their outrage to the president.

00:30:16.000 It's just remarkable.

00:30:17.000 From just a purely political strategist standpoint, there was just kind of a lot of just annoying right-wing infighting last week all across the place, right?

00:30:27.000 And it's just that the Democrats solved that issue for us.

00:30:31.000 So thank you guys, I guess.

00:30:32.000 I mean, I hate to see it.

00:30:34.000 I don't like disorder.

00:30:35.000 I don't like seeing arson.

00:30:37.000 But, I mean, the right has never been more unified.

00:30:40.000 And it seems as if this might be spreading in other cities.

00:30:44.000 Atlanta wasn't nearly as bad as what L.A. was, but it was certainly bubbling up.

00:30:48.000 And you're right.

00:30:48.000 It is kind of this pro forma, like check the box, as if they don't really believe it.

00:30:54.000 And I said this for quite some time, that people say, well, do the Democrats stand a chance in 2028?

00:31:00.000 Who knows?

00:31:00.000 Maybe.

00:31:01.000 Maybe the economy will be terrible or whatever.

00:31:02.000 But I could tell you this, that at least ideologically, if the left does not change its appearance quickly on trans stuff, immigration, and crime, I mean, that'll be a tough, that'll be a tough, tough mountain to climb.

00:31:18.000 And Gavin might be, you know, resurrecting his appearance with Democrats, but I could tell you with moderates and people across middle America, he's now being associated with riots in addition to a failed state.

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00:32:37.000 So, Mark, big, beautiful Bill.

00:32:40.000 Last week, some people were wondering if Elon's salvos against it would kill the bill based on everyone I'm talking to.

00:32:48.000 It seems as if there is an agreement that they're going to figure this out.

00:32:52.000 We had Rand Paul on the program who has a demand to remove the debt ceiling from the bill.

00:32:58.000 I don't think that is going to happen.

00:33:00.000 But he still sounded willing in some ways.

00:33:04.000 What is your reporting showing specifically with the fiscal hawks, the Ron Johns, who are saying no, but you and I both know that they want to get to a yes, right?

00:33:13.000 It's kind of like a workable no, which I love.

00:33:16.000 I think it's great.

00:33:16.000 I think it's admirable.

00:33:18.000 What is your reporting bearing out behind the scenes of how they're working, what concessions we can expect and how that will work with the moderates of the House that might not like everything that's agreed to?

00:33:27.000 Right.

00:33:28.000 So first on the Senate, there's there's very few there's very few reports.

00:33:34.000 Republicans, even in play, to be no votes.

00:33:38.000 The coverage gives the impression there's all these people up for grabs in the Senate.

00:33:43.000 Maybe there's five, and they can lose some of them.

00:33:46.000 So people like Ron Johnson, I'm not sure they'll get Rand Paul in the end, but people like Ron Johnson, if you're a student of Ron Johnson's rhetoric, as you are and I am, he's clearly warming towards it.

00:33:57.000 They'll give him something that he can say, look, I've worked hard for my constituents in the country and made it better.

00:34:03.000 I can't guarantee it'll pass the Senate, but it's certainly, the base case, it's certainly almost close to 90%, I'd say, that it passes the Senate.

00:34:11.000 The House is going to be a little bit more complicated, but particularly now because immigration is so front and center and there's money in this bill for the border, it's going to be, it's going to be, we've seen this presence of both parties do this.

00:34:24.000 On the front end of the votes, in the committee, and then an initial vote in the House, they say, well, this isn't final passage.

00:34:30.000 Just give us the ability to go forward.

00:34:32.000 There'll always be a chance to make the bill better.

00:34:34.000 And then what I think is going to happen is they'll make the same argument they always make at the last phase, which is, well, we've gotten this far.

00:34:40.000 You can't kill the presidency now.

00:34:41.000 This is his whole agenda.

00:34:42.000 It's not a perfect bill, but this is the last step.

00:34:46.000 I could predict with some confidence that they'll use that argument if the bill, when the bill gets back to the House.

00:34:53.000 There's one escape hatch plan that some people are whispering about, which is if that doesn't happen that way, which is they get a majority in the Senate, they pass it, the House comes back, they pressure the House, they get the vote.

00:35:05.000 And in the House, there's not that many people who could possibly vote either under those circumstances.

00:35:10.000 So this is not a whipping operation where they need to round up 30 members.

00:35:14.000 It's a very small number, possible, I'm told, that the Senate can't get it together.

00:35:19.000 And realizes that if they do make enough changes to pass a version of the bill, it can't pass the House.

00:35:25.000 There's an escape hatch, which is the Senate passes the House bill, and it doesn't have to go back to the House.

00:35:30.000 It's not likely, but it's possible, and it is an escape hatch.

00:35:33.000 It allows the president to get a version of the bill signed into law without having to have to have the House revote.

00:35:39.000 And so the fiscal hawks, I think they're going to come to the table, and I think we're going to have some sort of an agreement.

00:35:46.000 Are there any primary elements of the bill that you think might be in jeopardy in order to get those votes in the Senate?

00:35:52.000 Well, it's a great question because, as you know, cross-cutting pressures.

00:35:57.000 There's some pressure to produce more savings, either by changing the tax cuts or finding more spending cuts.

00:36:04.000 And there's some pressure to not eliminate or reduce certain programs because of political or constituency concerns.

00:36:13.000 That's why the notion of just passing the House bill is gaining a little bit of traction, a little bit of currency.

00:36:18.000 I think that there's a reality here.

00:36:20.000 And this is where I think true fiscal hawks need to be realistic.

00:36:31.000 The only path to serious deficit reduction under those circumstances is And as you know, the administration's big beef with some of these outside and congressional scorings of the House bill is that they factor in economic growth that's way too low compared to what's historically occurred and what the administration says their policies will usher in.

00:36:58.000 What's threatened is maybe some of the tax cuts, whether they're permanent or not, maybe some of the things that are threatened are the degree and nature of Medicare and Medicaid attempts to find savings.

00:37:10.000 But I think in the end, the cross-currents are going to be more powerful than any single argument.

00:37:14.000 And I don't know that they'll change it very much.

00:37:16.000 And as I said, it's possible they won't change it at all because, uh, the, Mark, excellent work.

00:37:29.000 Thank you so much.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 12, 2025

Democrats Lose the Politics of Riots

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