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00:01:36.000But right now, there is so much happening.
00:01:38.000That it's going to be tough to get to it all in this hour.
00:01:42.000But I want to start first with some personal news on the team front here at Turning Point.
00:01:49.000And that, of course, is that it's May 8th, which means it is the fifth anniversary of Charlie and Erica.
00:01:57.000And I've already said it publicly, but I'm going to say it again on the show that I know for a fact that Charlie is so proud of Erica Kirk.
00:02:06.000And so, in honor of that, the team put together a little something.
00:03:06.000But I remember it was kind of like walking in on a scene in the middle of things because what I kept seeing was comments from you, from people.
00:03:16.000Tyler really would talk about it all the time.
00:03:18.000Everyone was always saying, Charlie's really different these days.
00:03:22.000And they would always remark how Charlie used to be so much more intense.
00:03:27.000He used to not do the Shabbat thing, as an example.
00:03:29.000So he was bombarding people on Saturdays all the time.
00:03:33.000And everyone was saying, marriage really matured Charlie.
00:03:38.000It rounded him out, leveled him, as you said.
00:03:40.000Yeah, made him into the most complete person.
00:03:43.000Oh, he leveled up completely just in his own abilities when he got married to Erica.
00:03:49.000And I remember my wife told me because I was one of the people he would drive crazy, especially on the weekends.
00:03:54.000And my wife was, I remember when they got married and we came down for it.
00:03:58.000I remember we were reflecting on it after it all happened, after they got married.
00:04:05.000And she was just like, I really hope this is going to be a good thing for our marriage, too.
00:05:12.000Yeah, sorry, we had a little aside we had to deal with there, but big news out of the Virginia State Supreme Court.
00:05:19.000They have struck down the 10 1 maps, they are going back to the 6 5 maps.
00:05:24.000It feels like, Greg, that it was like the dark night of the soul, and then all of a sudden you get the VRA ruling out of the Supreme Court.
00:05:32.000You get Tennessee and Alabama showing some freaking guts, you got Florida.
00:05:47.000I know you've been following this closer than just about anybody, Greg.
00:05:50.000Yes, it's a very white pilling day for Patriots and especially those of us in Virginia who are happy that we get to keep our Republican representation.
00:05:59.000But it's a very simple constitutional question.
00:06:02.000Everything that the Virginia Democrats did here was blatantly illegal in order to get this thing on the ballot in the first place.
00:06:09.000The way that the Virginia Constitution works, in order to amend it, you have to have two votes in the General Assembly with an intervening election in between.
00:06:16.000So you have to have one vote on it, you have to have an election, and then you have to have a second vote on it.
00:06:21.000And they had to amend the Constitution because in 2020, Virginia voted for a bipartisan redistricting commission.
00:06:27.000But what the Democrats did here is they passed it last October in the middle of the governor's race.
00:06:33.000And at that point, early voting had started in September and been going on for 40 days, and about 1.3 million people had voted.
00:06:41.000And then there was this the election, and then they voted on it again to put it on the ballot as soon as the General Assembly reconvened.
00:06:47.000And the problem is, 1.3 million people had already voted, and hilariously, their lawyers argued in court that early voting doesn't actually count as the election, that only election day should count.
00:06:59.000And so it was like, so it was completely unconstitutional how they got it on in the first place.
00:07:03.000And then they wrote, obviously, the completely ridiculous ballot language that said we'd have to restore fairness by taking four seats away from and completely disenfranchising the rural parts of the state.
00:07:15.000So, everything about it was illegal, and the Supreme Court did the right thing.
00:07:18.000I honestly did not have faith that they were going to do this, but props to them for doing the right thing.
00:07:23.000And how just deeply embarrassing for all of the Democrats involved between Abigail Spanberger and Louise Lucas, the crazy Senate pro tem, and Don Scott, the Speaker of the House.
00:07:35.000They invested so much political capital into this, only to get stuffed into a locker by the Supreme Court.
00:07:42.000Deeply embarrassing for Hakeem Jeffries.
00:07:46.000Nearly $80 million on this referendum, and just about half of it came from House Majority Forward, which is Hakeem Jeffries' personal 501c4.
00:07:57.000Deeply embarrassing for Barack Obama, who agreed to be the whole face of us and cut so many commercials in favor of this referendum.
00:08:04.000Just, you know, deeply embarrassing for every Democrat.
00:08:07.000We started with an anniversary celebration there.
00:08:10.000And Barack Obama has recently admitted that his decision to continue fighting President Trump has caused tension in their marriage, which is also unfortunate for the former president.
00:09:04.000Pending Louisiana, Alabama, and South Carolina, all plus at least one more.
00:09:09.000The redistricting wars are turning into a bloodbath for the Democrats.
00:09:15.000There's just, and Blake and I were skeptical because we were traumatized from the old way that the GOP did business, which was we talk a good game and then we just completely don't show up for the fight.
00:10:26.000I mean, we have like, there are still months away from November, and a lot changes in elections.
00:10:32.000Things can change, you know, just in a matter of weeks.
00:10:35.000And so, But Republicans, I think, definitely have a real chance of bucking history here and maybe not taking back the House, but massively overperforming in a way that hasn't happened before.
00:10:47.000And another way to think about it is, as you said, because of all the redistricting and because of how polarized the country has become, even if you think there's a worst case scenario for the GOP on election night, there's not that many districts that are truly toss up districts anymore.
00:11:05.000And so I. You know, obviously, the economy needs to get better.
00:11:11.000Obviously, the pocket, you know, it's the kitchen table issues are the things that win and lose you elections.
00:11:16.000But, you know, for what the approval ratings have been for the administration, the approval ratings of the Democratic Party have been in the toilet and they've never gone up for that.
00:11:27.000They are consistently lower than the president.
00:11:30.000And so that is still a real problem for the Democrats to contend with.
00:11:34.000The other thing is they're caught in a lot of extremely messy primaries right now, which I'm sure you guys have talked about a lot on the show, especially.
00:11:41.000In that Michigan Senate race, where you have those three people duking it out.
00:11:46.000And that's an extremely late primary in August.
00:11:48.000And that's going to be, they're going to have millions of dollars spent in places like that just on the primaries alone.
00:11:55.000And they're dealing with lots of similar races like that across the country.
00:11:58.000And so, you know, people obviously, people freak out about the midterms.
00:12:03.000And obviously, you know, the headwinds, because it's a midterm with the incumbent party in power, you can't say they're in the Republican Party's favor, but there's still tons of things going our way.
00:12:12.000And We're still a long ways away from November.
00:13:56.000And I just find that really galling, by the way, just in general.
00:13:58.000Like he's a first generation America lecturing me and you people.
00:14:04.000Our ancestors' blood and bones are buried and spilled all over this land and wars and fighting for it and preserving our constitutional republic.
00:14:14.000Anyways, he campaigned with Hassan Piker.
00:14:17.000Hassan Piker has just reacted to this morning's Supreme Court ruling in Virginia saying, The Virginia Supreme Court denied the results of the redistricting referendum.
00:14:27.000SCOTUS gutted the Voting Rights Act, and Tennessee carved up the last Dem district, destroying black voter power in the state.
00:14:33.000It's probably going to go to a black Republican woman in Tennessee, but who cares about the details, right, Hassan?0.55
00:14:57.000He jokes about Senator Scott getting assassinated.
00:15:01.000Greg, I just got to get your opinion on this real quick before we lose you.
00:15:05.000What the heck is going on with this kind of talk?0.59
00:15:08.000Yeah, I mean, if there was ever a case for ending birthright citizenship, especially for Turkish nationals engaging in birthright tourism, I think Hassan Piker is exhibit A of that.0.99
00:15:25.000And he's a psycho that, you know, And, you know, we have psychos on the right too, but he's a psycho being mainstreamed by outlets like the New York Times, who Democrat candidates like Abdul El Said are campaigning with.0.97
00:15:39.000And so this guy's, you know, he may sound crazy to most people, but this is now, this is the id of the Democratic Party.
00:15:46.000If Democrats aren't already saying the things out loud that Hassan Piker says on a daily basis, they're definitely texting it in their group chats and saying it to each other privately.
00:15:56.000And don't forget Jay Jones, who got elected to Virginia's as the Virginia AG.
00:16:01.000I mean, this stuff is so, it's so prevalent.
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00:17:48.000It's a Official and Trevor DeVries, who's also a new GOP nominee from that state, in a huge win for grassroots conservatives all across the country.
00:17:58.000And we'll explain what I mean by that in just a second.
00:20:00.000So really, it came down to over the past couple of years, it just feels like.
00:20:06.000Every day, Hoosiers are being squeezed and struggling more and more each day.
00:20:10.000And it just seemed like every time we went to our legislators, voicing our concerns, our comments, and our opinions, it just seemed like they weren't actually listening to us.
00:20:20.000And really, as the reason I got involved is very similar to Dr. Bryant, my church is very heavily involved here locally.
00:20:28.000I go to Livingstone's in Crown Point, Indiana, which that make heaven crowded tour.
00:20:33.000They're stopping at our church here in July.
00:20:37.000And really, it's just, When we saw Christian values and conservative values start to really slowly drift away in Indianapolis, it was really time for the next generation of conservative leadership to actually jump up and fight to keep the Overton window from sliding further and further left on a daily basis.
00:20:58.000Yeah, that's really well said, I think.
00:21:00.000And, you know, you see this, what you guys did and what you accomplished.
00:21:04.000And we were grateful to play a role, Turning Point Action, Tyler, Brett, and the whole team.
00:21:10.000Just did a tremendous job in Tennessee.
00:21:14.000Gosh, there are so many states I want to get to.
00:21:20.000And we're just so proud because I think what you guys have done, the courage that you exhibited stepping into the fray, has had knock on effects.
00:21:27.000You see this in Alabama where there's a literal tornado warning going off.
00:21:33.000The feed gets cut out because the winds were so high.
00:21:36.000And they passed the redistricting map in Alabama following the VRA.
00:21:42.000You see in Tennessee where they put up with a bunch of petulant children and Black Panthers getting in their face to pass through that new map in Tennessee.0.59
00:21:49.000We're seeing a courage and a backbone and a fight in the GOP, in conservative movement that we had never seen, at least in generations, because we're finally fighting.
00:22:05.000You proved there are consequences if you get entrenched, rhino, old school GOP from the Bush era that refuse to realize what time it is, what.
00:22:15.000The fact that we are in a fight for our lives in this country.
00:22:20.000And I'm so grateful that you did what you did.
00:22:22.000And I mean, literally, we have clips from all of this, by the way.
00:22:26.000Maybe we play them, but genuinely, a nation thanks you for what you did because the knock on effects are going to prove extraordinarily valuable for the rest of us.
00:23:29.000Well, actually, I have a question before I play this.0.99
00:23:30.000I was going to play Justin Pearson, this Black Panther out of Tennessee.
00:23:35.000Anyways, but a lot of people were trying to diagnose what the message was from Indiana, and they said, Trump still is the man in the movement.
00:24:10.000That really started in a little small bonfire that just grew to just a wildfire across the nation.
00:24:17.000You know, I remember the day he died very clearly, right?
00:24:21.000I was with the Hoosier Leadership Series class, Minneana Family Institute in DC, and we were actually on the floor of Congress, and we came out of that and we heard that Charlie had been shot.
00:24:30.000And we immediately, all 65 plus of us, started praying on Capitol Hill, you know, and really it's just people locally woke up heavily after Charlie was assassinated.
00:24:44.000And people noticed and realized and started paying attention far more than ever before because the question kept saying, okay, who's picking up the microphone?
00:24:55.000We need to lock arms and start moving forward together to make sure we fight to save our state, our country, and just save America for our children, our grandchildren, and the generations to come.
00:25:08.000And when it came to the conversations we were having regularly, you know, redistricting was an important topic.
00:25:48.000One of the Topics Charlie really was harping on in the last couple years.
00:25:52.000He would talk about the need for red states to really step up and be as powerful as as powerfully red as blue states are powerfully blue on this show.
00:26:01.000We're endlessly covering what they do in California because it's so extreme, or what they did in Virginia.
00:26:06.000They took over, they won a big election, and they just they ran they've just failed on their redistricting.
00:26:11.000Thank you, but they've rammed through everything else to make it as blue as California, Oregon, Washington, New York.
00:26:18.000And we have a state like yours, Indiana, totally very red.
00:26:22.000Consistently electing Republicans, and it's a big state.
00:26:25.000It's a big enough state that if you're acting in a really red way, you can have a national impact.
00:27:18.000Yeah, I couldn't say any better myself.
00:27:19.000Really, at the end of the day, this was taking control of the situation at hand and keeping everyone accountable.
00:27:26.000If you do a poor job at your day job, You're going to get fired.
00:27:30.000If you're not listening to your boss or to your coworkers, you're going to get fired.
00:27:34.000So, for them to think that they can go off and do whatever they want and honestly lie to everyone saying that constituents didn't want this, it's false.
00:28:03.000All right, it's safe to say that the Democrats are taking this poorly.
00:28:08.000We got a smattering of clips, but I want to start with this guy, Justin Pearson, who used to be this really buttoned up, clean shaven dude.
00:28:17.000And then he turned into a Black Panther.0.88
00:28:18.000Similar pattern we've seen from a lot of, like, some black people, like, they find their roots eventually or something, whatever they think it is.0.99
00:28:25.000They go on this journey and then they come out looking like this.1.00
00:29:31.000These maps are racist tools of white supremacy at the behest of the most powerful white supremacist in the United States of America, Donald J. Trump.0.87
00:29:41.000Memphis is the most beautiful place on the planet.
00:29:45.000It's the place that raised me, my brothers, my parents, my grandmothers, and where my ancestors' bones rest.
00:29:52.000And what you are doing today is eviscerating the only black majority congressional district in our state because we are majority black.
00:30:05.000We are here because this Republican Party has to seek to steal elections and seats.
00:30:11.000Because the president and the party have refused to address the pain, the suffering, and the struggling of everyday Tennesseans.
00:30:20.000So he says that Memphis is the most beautiful place on the planet.
00:31:05.000You have to sit what Tennessee is doing next to the fight that's coming out of Louisiana, next to the fight that will follow in Mississippi.0.86
00:31:14.000We are watching in real time the restoration of the very laws that pretended racial neutrality, but were intended to deny black and brown voters the right to participate in democracy, which is one of the principal goals of authoritarianism.0.66
00:31:32.000They do not want the people who may disagree with them to be heard.0.71
00:31:36.000And right now in the United States, race is the strongest predictor of political leanings.
00:31:56.000You have to admit, it is a little ironic that the woman now who is likely going to win the 9th district in Tennessee is a black Republican woman as a result of this redistricting effort.0.89
00:32:07.000It's likely going to be a black Republican woman who beats that old white man.0.51
00:32:51.000At this point, it's comedically untrue.
00:32:53.000You're actually, I think, I think this stat is still true that you're more likely to have a black lawmaker representing a region that's not majority black with Republicans than with Democrats.0.98
00:34:17.000People have taken advantage of our generosity, they've taken advantage of our colorblindness, and they have worked us like a bunch of suckers.0.95
00:34:26.000I am proud to say, and you heard it directly from the Indiana state senators elect, I think they're going to be the future Indiana state senators.
00:34:33.000That Charlie lit a fuse in them, he lit a fire, and that he inspired them to get off the sidelines, to get in those races, and to take back power from the old GOP establishment that refused to fight for the voters.
00:34:45.000What did Charlie say more than anything?
00:34:47.000Well, he said a lot of things, but he said, We want a conservative party, a Republican party that is as conservative as its voters.
00:35:18.000These are white pill after white pill moments.
00:35:21.000The gutting of the VRA, which was unconstitutional.
00:35:23.000We're going to get a massive boost from that in the House.
00:35:26.000You're seeing state senators in Indiana fight back.
00:35:29.000You're seeing the redrawing of the maps against absolute infantile tantrum throwing in Tennessee, against a tornado watch in Alabama.
00:35:39.000And you're seeing that the Accusations, the slings and arrows of these radical race hucksters like Justin Pearson and Stacey Abrams are falling flat because we don't fall for it anymore.
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00:38:02.000So, the question I have for you is that an organization that I like and have financially supported for years sponsors an online voice who consistently produces disgusting slander against Erica.
00:38:15.000I'm torn because this organization does good, but I hate that they continue to support the liar, and I don't know if I should continue to give to the organization.
00:38:25.000What might Charlie say about the moral ambiguity in this situation?
00:38:30.000Or is there something about how show sponsors work that I'm unaware of as a listener that could bring peace of mind that my money goes to the work of the ministry and not the pockets of who I believe to be an evildoer?
00:38:44.000Well, Andrew, you do most of our work with the advertisers.
00:38:47.000Yeah, so you're talking about preborn, I'm assuming.
00:38:53.000Yeah, I wasn't going to name names, but.
00:39:47.000And if that's one of the good things that comes out of that partnership, then I'm all for it, actually.
00:39:55.000And I've thought hard about this and I've thought, you know, should I make a fuss?
00:39:58.000Should I send emails or make phone calls?
00:40:00.000And it's kind of like, you know, and to your other part of your question, where you said, is there something about sponsorships that you're unaware of?
00:40:07.000Yeah, sometimes you're locked in in contracts.
00:40:09.000And you could get yourself into legal liability issues if you pull out of a contract without cause beforehand.
00:40:19.000I would venture to guess, yes, there is.
00:40:21.000But if you're locked into contractual terms, the easiest option is probably just to continue on.
00:40:25.000And when somebody has a large audience, which Candace does, there's no denying that she does, then you're probably going to get a lot of, you know, referrals.
00:40:34.000And so, anyways, we want to bless babies more than we want some sort of, you know, feud to take priority over that.
00:40:42.000She did, but at the same time, it's babies, and I want more babies.
00:40:48.000What I would say, I would also add even if we're not looking to pick a fight of that nature, if you feel strongly about it, I would encourage you to send them an email.
00:40:58.000You could say, I have concerns, I might cease support or I might support you more if you were to make a different decision of this nature.
00:41:05.000People do this, they would be blessed if they made that decision.
00:41:08.000I know I've, I don't, I wasn't able to find it on shortness, but I know some people have done that and they have sent replies of that nature.
00:41:15.000Basically, saying, you know, we have contractual relationships.
00:41:21.000And they do, I think in their letter, they mention, you know, our chief goal is saving babies and we try to avoid wading into fights of that nature.
00:41:28.000And I think that's a very good Christian point of view for them to take.
00:41:32.000And again, if it was a different category, I'd probably be more upset.0.82
00:41:57.000And they've really embraced technology and lead gen to find these moms, to work with the clinics, to get where they're at in these urban cores a lot of times, where a lot of other groups just simply aren't equipped to go.
00:43:38.000So, what we just saw in Indiana with the state primaries, do you think that's going to send a shockwave through the rest of the GOP?
00:43:46.000Not like at every single level now, but like, hey, we've allowed you career Republicans to be in office for X amount of years at every level.
00:43:56.000You've now really haven't been working for the people.
00:43:59.000The people are upset, and now we're just going to primary you.
00:44:02.000Do you think they're going to start listening to this, or are they just going to push it to the side?
00:44:06.000Like, well, this is just a A little bit of a speed bump type thing.
00:44:10.000Well, so you're familiar with the expression or the term arbitrage, right?
00:44:16.000I think what happened in Indiana was this arbitrage opportunity that has been missing from our formula on the conservative side because we focus so much on swing states and getting swing races over the finish line.
00:44:28.000And so what would happen is you'd get like these really conservative, dynamic people out of these swing districts because we were putting all these resources into candidate recruitment and base turnout.
00:44:39.000But what we left was all these deep red states that were getting.
00:44:44.000They were getting soft over time, complacent over time.
00:44:47.000And so we would constantly complain that the Democrats had these total fire breathers out of these deep blue states that would send their most radical people from California or wherever.
00:44:56.000Meanwhile, our deep red states were getting softer and softer and more moderate and more moderate because the establishment Republicans became entrenched in power.
00:45:05.000The arbitrage comes when you realize you can primary these people and the voters are deeply unsatisfied with their product, their work product.
00:45:13.000And then all of a sudden, you're starting to see that states got the memo.
00:45:16.000This is why I think what you saw in Alabama happened when there's a tornado coming through.
00:45:21.000They got the memo and they still passed the maps, despite the fact that the power shut off immediately after because the winds were so high.
00:46:00.000Over 60 people were going to town board meetings.
00:46:02.000And she basically told the people, well, why should I not approve this?
00:46:07.000Because they filled out all the correct paperwork, so I should approve it.
00:46:10.000And I told her in our caucus meeting, I go, in any other GOP party in a strong state, you would have been censored immediately because you went against your constituents.
00:46:21.000And now, from what I've been told, is people in the caucus want to nominate me for being on the vetting process for our local candidates in my town's GOP.
00:47:56.000I want to talk about this really briefly, Mark.
00:47:58.000There is an epidemic of pitchers going down.
00:48:03.000So, I worked for Ohio State's baseball team too, and I saw this there as well that half of the pitchers that we had would blow their arms out with Tommy John.
00:48:12.000They're overusing their arm because the new focus has been on velocity instead of command.
00:48:17.000So, they're having these kids starting at like 12 years old just try and throw as hard as they possibly can, and their ligaments just can't take it by the time they reach high school and college.
00:48:26.000Good news is Tommy John's is a pretty successful surgery.
00:48:29.000So, these guys come back pretty strong, but it takes a year off.
00:48:31.000Yeah, we've had guys that have gotten it like four times, Tommy John.
00:48:34.000I don't know what ligaments they're even pulling from, but.
00:48:37.000I can't follow baseball super closely because the twins have been sacrificed by their owners to just be a cash cow that will be terrible forever.
00:48:46.000Although technically they're competitive because the AL Central is the worst division.
00:48:49.000It's the worst division in the history of baseball.
00:48:52.000And so they might win it with a 450 record.1.00
00:49:03.000All right, what's your question, Mark?0.97
00:49:05.000Okay, so here's the thing it's more of a statement.
00:49:09.000I think that, especially with your high school and college chapters, I think that we need to create a storyline.
00:49:16.000And the cool thing about our position right now, the Republican position versus, in my opinion, I call them the Democratic Communists.
00:49:24.000That party, yes, I know there are moderate Democrats, but what the party has become, it really has become authoritarian and, in my opinion, communist.
00:49:38.000But the thing that they do well is they actually create a storyline and they stick to it.
00:49:44.000In my opinion, one of the things that I think we do poorly is creating a storyline.0.74
00:49:50.000For instance, Iran, that Iran war is a pain, but the long term effects of that, I've heard a couple of your students come on and they complain about that, but the long term effects, if that pans out where we can remove all of their nuclear arms, not to mention forcing China to pay retail for oil, that weakens them militarily and it actually strengthens us.0.80
00:50:16.000From a manufacturing point of view, because we can't beat slave labor in China.0.88
00:50:21.000But if we increase China's ability to the cost of their manufacturing by forcing them to pay retail on oil, right?0.90
00:51:45.000And every time I hear, I just feel I just got a bad vibe.
00:51:50.000I don't want to be zoom scrolling or getting all bummed down here, but basically, I don't want to lose any more elections because if we do, we're at a critical, critical point here.
00:52:00.000And I just feel that our message needs to be stronger as to the long term effect.
00:52:53.000They are producing guys like this arsonist in California.
00:52:56.000And they're doing some work for us in terms of embracing the most destructive, nastiest parts of their impulse.
00:53:03.000And we're also saying this, let's be frank, with some of the most nasty people on our side are the ones who are also saying, oh, actually, we need to team up with the left.
00:53:28.000That you're only going to make things perpetually worse.
00:53:30.000Well, and here's what I will say we've tried to make that point.0.91
00:53:33.000This could be politically damaging in the short term, the Iran conflict, and absolutely the right call geopolitically in the long term.0.96
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00:55:45.000And I was just wondering if you guys thought that the federal, you know, people were having problems within the Senate and, you know, in the House.
00:55:53.000But do you think that what's been going on with Indiana is going to give a scare to them?
00:55:59.000Because I'm always thinking about the Save America Act.
00:56:02.000That was just a little addition to my question.
00:56:35.000Cornyn's a guy that has been a thorn in Trump's side, but the national apparatus, the Senate apparatus, if you go to like Fox News, all these guys go on Fox News and say, We need Cornyn, we need Cornyn, we need Cornyn.
00:56:49.000The base doesn't like him nearly as much.
00:56:51.000Paxton is winning in that race, and yet they're going to dump $100 to $150 million in a Republican primary.
00:57:12.000That's why a lot of the, you know, the first wave of us turning the tide on woke was school board elections, local parents in their local schools.
00:57:37.000To pro Islam and anti Trump, you know, which I don't, I think we all agree that they were sort of not doing that while Charlie was alive and now they're suddenly doing it.
00:57:47.000And when I was watching the TPUSA event with Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh, you know, Michael has said this, I've heard it several times on his podcast, that he doesn't think it's really a concern about these podcasters because it's really just online.
00:58:03.000But I think that's naive and ignores that young people are listening to this.
00:58:07.000You know, these are people that Charlie fought so hard to get and helped us win the last election.
00:58:16.000And I also heard Ami Kozak say that he went to Amfest and he was really surprised because he ran into some young people who really looked favorably on Nick Fuentes and his type of America First.
00:58:28.000And he said they were receptive to counterpoints and he was able to sort of try to pivot them back.
00:58:35.000So basically, I was going to say, I think you guys need to.
00:58:39.000I think you need to address this more.
00:58:41.000I know you've probably been trying to stay out of the fray, especially with the Candace stuff, but I think this has always been a podcast that has been trying to at least reach the young people.
00:58:54.000And I also wondered what you're doing to counter these kinds of malicious messages within the high school and college chapters.
00:59:01.000Because one of the things Matt Walsh said, which was really a great answer, was you know, you're right, the Republicans aren't necessarily doing what we want.
00:59:09.000But when you look at the alternative, the alternative is so much worse.
00:59:16.000Yeah, the best way to just go about this is to expose these people for not having principles themselves because you see them flip flop all the time.
00:59:25.000Especially is talking to them is that they actually what makes it click with them more than anything else is if you actually show them clips of somebody or writings from somebody that they alternate.
00:59:35.000What they hate more than anything is hypocrisy, these students.
01:00:39.000Yeah, and so I sent this to a bunch of my friends who follow Fuentes and think he's funny and more of like a meme culture type thing.
01:00:45.000And even they were like, Yeah, I don't really, I can't get along with this guy anymore because more than anything, like I feel like I'm being lied to when no one has set principles and you keep changing up all the time and lying just to get clicks, whatever's the new thing.
01:01:00.000This was the thing that gave Charlie a lot of power over time because Charlie got stronger and stronger the more.
01:01:56.000So you have Dan Bilzerian, another one of these guys, is now saying, Nick Fenton is a Fed, whether he is or not.
01:02:02.000They're always accusing each other of these things and feuding.0.96
01:02:05.000And I think you're correct that people, they're not idiots.0.95
01:02:08.000They notice these things if they're paying attention.0.95
01:02:10.000You're not going to reason with them just straight up on.
01:02:13.000Facts, the best way to reason, especially with college students these days and high school students, is you have to actually show the hypocrisy to their face.
01:02:20.000And until you do that, you're basically just wasting your time.
01:02:23.000And I want to say one other thing, too.
01:02:25.000And I think I get frustrated with because there's a lot of ink that's been spilled in the press about whether the graperification or whatever they call it of turning point.
01:02:35.000There's a very important distinction here.
01:02:38.000So basically, if you break down Fuentes' main two kind of driving impulses, that's about.
01:03:33.000And so, some of these kids are really sympathetic to that argument because they see the fruits of that after a couple generations and they agree with us on it.
01:03:41.000But the outside observer might understand that as, like, oh, it sounds like Groyper language.0.96
01:03:45.000Well, actually, it just turns out that we've just had too much immigration and we want that to stop because we're getting transformed, the erasure of American culture, go ahead.0.98
01:03:53.000I mean, allow me to add before we go, since she asked it at the top, I will die before I start simping for Islam.1.00
01:05:04.000I have explanations for it, definitely.
01:05:05.000But for others, it's a great way to do it.
01:05:07.000So, Socrates, of course, famous ancient Greek philosopher, probably, he's kind of the first famous philosopher in history in ancient Athens.
01:05:19.000He's the name of the Socratic method, which is the idea of going back and forth asking questions to find clarity, drill down, find holes in an argument.
01:05:26.000And they're called that because Plato, a student of Socrates, he wrote these dialogues where Socrates is usually the main character.
01:05:33.000Plato's Republic, which a lot of you have heard of, that is a very long Socratic dialogue about government.
01:05:38.000And so people will assert things like, this is how a government should be run.
01:05:41.000And Socrates is kind of this annoying guy.
01:05:44.000He starts asking questions that pick away at it.
01:05:46.000And there are many of these dialogues.
01:05:48.000But famously, what happened to Socrates in real life is he annoyed enough people in Athens with his questions that they put him on trial on charges of impiety.
01:05:58.000He was asking questions about the gods of the city.
01:06:01.000They accused him of corrupting the youth with his ideas and Possibly other things, they were Greek.
01:06:10.000But notably, an aspect of it that's important is he could have probably saved himself if he had apologized or if he'd asked for mercy.
01:06:23.000But in the dialogue, Plato's apology, which we think is likely an accurate version, roughly, of how he did defend himself, he basically just doesn't back down from his positions about what he believes.
01:06:36.000And when they find him guilty and they are in the sentencing phase, he gets to propose what his penalty should be.
01:06:41.000And he could have said, I think I should be exiled rather than killed.
01:06:45.000And instead, he memorably proposes, I should be given free lunches from the city for life because I've helped you all think better.
01:06:52.000The jury did not take kindly to that, so they were going to sentence him to basically, he either could be executed or he could drink the hemlock, a poisonous drink, and he could kill himself.
01:07:01.000And I think he even had, I'm going off memory, I think he might have even had an opportunity to escape, but he declines to do this.
01:07:07.000He thought this would not be morally becoming.
01:07:10.000He would accept his fate for what he did.
01:07:16.000We don't approve of suicide generally, but I think there is generally a place for if it's like that, or if you're basically being ordered to do it, forced to do it, and maybe you have to do it to save other people, then there can be some marginal opportunities there.
01:07:31.000Opportunities, not a good way, but like we're understanding of people who are forced to.0.99
01:07:34.000Well, obviously, this is pre Christian.
01:07:39.000Christ had not come, he was not in the Jewish context.
01:07:42.000And by the way, unlike the left, we don't judge historical figures and heroes based on.
01:07:46.000Current understandings of moral principles, for example, like the left does with Thomas Jefferson and slavery, et cetera, et cetera.
01:07:53.000You know, one of the most interesting things about Socrates, by the way, is in his dialogues, he speaks about that he kind of has a voice that speaks to him.
01:08:04.000And this is one of the reasons they accused him of heresy.
01:08:06.000He basically claimed he had this private god talking to him all of the time.
01:08:11.000And it's interesting to think about that because Socratic philosophy, Platonic philosophy, Had such a huge impact on Christianity.
01:08:19.000If you read early Christian thinkers in the days of the Roman Empire in the 200s, the 300s, the 400s, a lot of them are channeling Greek philosophy.
01:08:29.000They actually had this thought was Greek philosophy, was Platonic philosophy sort of enabled by God as a way for us to explain the Trinity, to explain the incarnation?
01:08:38.000And there's a lot of people that believe that Alexander the Great, for example, who united so much of the known world at the time and created all the roads and the systems of roads, that that really enabled the spreading of the gospel.
01:08:49.000So there's a lot of what the Greeks did that enabled the spread of Christianity.
01:08:53.000The New Testament is written in Greek.
01:08:55.000Why was everyone speaking Greek across the Near East?
01:08:57.000Because of Alexander the Great, because of these Greek peoples.
01:09:01.000What is the version of the New Testament that, or the version of the Old Testament that was used in ancient times?
01:09:07.000It's still used by the Greek Orthodox Church when we had that Orthodox priest on.
01:09:11.000They used the Septuagint, which was translated by a group of 70 rabbis at the command of a Greek ruler in Egypt.
01:09:19.000And so it's interesting to think about all of those things with Socrates that.
01:09:22.000There may have been a providential role, even in this person who's not in the Bible, who's not a biblical figure, and yet played such a pivotal role over the course of history on Christian thought, on the spread of Christianity around the world.
01:09:35.000There was a reason that the Romans really admired the Greeks.
01:09:38.000So it was like the Greeks were the apex of philosophical thought and order and those sorts of things.
01:09:46.000And the Romans always felt like theirs was a cheap knockoff version of it, at least in historians tend to agree.