The Charlie Kirk Show - Democrats' Redistricting Humiliation + AMA 265

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00:01:19.000 It is Friday, May 8th, 2026, and I am back here at the YRefi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:01:26.000 We're doing lovely.

00:01:26.000 Blake, how are we doing?

00:01:27.000 We have good news today.

00:01:28.000 There's so much happening.

00:01:30.000 You know, some days I say there's a lot happening, and there's only a little bit happening.

00:01:33.000 I'm going to be honest with you.

00:01:34.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:01:35.000 There's always a lot happening.

00:01:36.000 But right now, there is so much happening.

00:01:38.000 That it's going to be tough to get to it all in this hour.

00:01:42.000 But I want to start first with some personal news on the team front here at Turning Point.

00:01:49.000 And that, of course, is that it's May 8th, which means it is the fifth anniversary of Charlie and Erica.

00:01:57.000 And I've already said it publicly, but I'm going to say it again on the show that I know for a fact that Charlie is so proud of Erica Kirk.

00:02:06.000 And so, in honor of that, the team put together a little something.

00:02:10.000 And I want to play it in.

00:02:12.000 Just honor of their marriage and their relationship and this fifth anniversary, Sot 1.

00:02:18.000 That idea of marriage being a covenant is a big, big deal.

00:02:22.000 In fact, only marriage in the Bible is compared to Christ's relationship with the church.

00:02:29.000 So always prioritize your marriage.

00:02:30.000 Do you know what's really going to matter 30 years from now?

00:02:33.000 What's going to matter is whether or not you have the love of your life and you have decided to raise children.

00:02:38.000 For young people out there, if you want to find meaning, find something worth taking responsibility for.

00:02:45.000 Yeah.

00:02:46.000 I'm grateful for you.

00:02:47.000 I love you.

00:02:48.000 I love you too, babe.

00:02:49.000 I love you so much.

00:02:50.000 I love you.

00:02:50.000 Marriage is the most awesome thing ever, everybody.

00:02:53.000 It's amazing.

00:02:55.000 It really is.

00:02:56.000 It's amazing.

00:02:56.000 I think I've mentioned before, I only came here in 2022.

00:03:02.000 So they'd already been married a few years at that point.

00:03:04.000 He just had the first kid.

00:03:06.000 But I remember it was kind of like walking in on a scene in the middle of things because what I kept seeing was comments from you, from people.

00:03:16.000 Tyler really would talk about it all the time.

00:03:18.000 Everyone was always saying, Charlie's really different these days.

00:03:22.000 And they would always remark how Charlie used to be so much more intense.

00:03:27.000 He used to not do the Shabbat thing, as an example.

00:03:29.000 So he was bombarding people on Saturdays all the time.

00:03:33.000 And everyone was saying, marriage really matured Charlie.

00:03:38.000 It rounded him out, leveled him, as you said.

00:03:40.000 Yeah, made him into the most complete person.

00:03:43.000 Oh, he leveled up completely just in his own abilities when he got married to Erica.

00:03:49.000 And I remember my wife told me because I was one of the people he would drive crazy, especially on the weekends.

00:03:54.000 And my wife was, I remember when they got married and we came down for it.

00:03:58.000 I remember we were reflecting on it after it all happened, after they got married.

00:04:05.000 And she was just like, I really hope this is going to be a good thing for our marriage, too.

00:04:10.000 And I remember it really was.

00:04:13.000 And you just saw Charlie enter into his fullness, into the fullness of his strength, and especially when they started having kids.

00:04:20.000 And yeah, I just, I know Charlie's very proud of Erica and everything she's been through.

00:04:26.000 I know I don't have to tell this audience all that she's been through.

00:04:30.000 Obviously, with the tragedy, but everything that's happened since, and just how strong and courageous she's been.

00:04:35.000 And so, here's to you, Erica Kirk.

00:04:38.000 Charlie is smiling down on you, and I know he's so proud of you.

00:04:41.000 And so, it's a weird thing to say, but this is a day just to remember just the beauty of their relationship.

00:04:50.000 And yeah, happy fifth anniversary to you guys.

00:04:54.000 Happy five years.

00:04:54.000 Yeah.

00:04:55.000 Without further ado, we got some breaking news on the Virginia front, and we're going to have Greg Price.

00:04:55.000 All right.

00:05:01.000 You know him from X, formerly known as Twitter.

00:05:05.000 He's a conservative strategist and has been following this closely.

00:05:08.000 Greg, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:05:11.000 Thanks for having me, guys.

00:05:12.000 Yeah, sorry, we had a little aside we had to deal with there, but big news out of the Virginia State Supreme Court.

00:05:19.000 They have struck down the 10 1 maps, they are going back to the 6 5 maps.

00:05:24.000 It feels like, Greg, that it was like the dark night of the soul, and then all of a sudden you get the VRA ruling out of the Supreme Court.

00:05:32.000 You get Tennessee and Alabama showing some freaking guts, you got Florida.

00:05:38.000 Now, Virginia reversing. 0.79

00:05:39.000 Shout out Ken Cuccinelli called it on the show.

00:05:41.000 Ken Cuccinelli called it on the show.

00:05:43.000 They were going to strike it down?

00:05:44.000 Yes, they did.

00:05:45.000 Bam, did they ever.

00:05:46.000 All right, give us your take.

00:05:47.000 I know you've been following this closer than just about anybody, Greg.

00:05:50.000 Yes, it's a very white pilling day for Patriots and especially those of us in Virginia who are happy that we get to keep our Republican representation.

00:05:59.000 But it's a very simple constitutional question.

00:06:02.000 Everything that the Virginia Democrats did here was blatantly illegal in order to get this thing on the ballot in the first place.

00:06:09.000 The way that the Virginia Constitution works, in order to amend it, you have to have two votes in the General Assembly with an intervening election in between.

00:06:16.000 So you have to have one vote on it, you have to have an election, and then you have to have a second vote on it.

00:06:21.000 And they had to amend the Constitution because in 2020, Virginia voted for a bipartisan redistricting commission.

00:06:27.000 But what the Democrats did here is they passed it last October in the middle of the governor's race.

00:06:33.000 And at that point, early voting had started in September and been going on for 40 days, and about 1.3 million people had voted.

00:06:40.000 And so they did that.

00:06:41.000 And then there was this the election, and then they voted on it again to put it on the ballot as soon as the General Assembly reconvened.

00:06:47.000 And the problem is, 1.3 million people had already voted, and hilariously, their lawyers argued in court that early voting doesn't actually count as the election, that only election day should count.

00:06:59.000 And so it was like, so it was completely unconstitutional how they got it on in the first place.

00:07:03.000 And then they wrote, obviously, the completely ridiculous ballot language that said we'd have to restore fairness by taking four seats away from and completely disenfranchising the rural parts of the state.

00:07:15.000 So, everything about it was illegal, and the Supreme Court did the right thing.

00:07:18.000 I honestly did not have faith that they were going to do this, but props to them for doing the right thing.

00:07:23.000 And how just deeply embarrassing for all of the Democrats involved between Abigail Spanberger and Louise Lucas, the crazy Senate pro tem, and Don Scott, the Speaker of the House.

00:07:35.000 They invested so much political capital into this, only to get stuffed into a locker by the Supreme Court.

00:07:42.000 Deeply embarrassing for Hakeem Jeffries.

00:07:46.000 Nearly $80 million on this referendum, and just about half of it came from House Majority Forward, which is Hakeem Jeffries' personal 501c4.

00:07:55.000 So, deeply embarrassing for him.

00:07:57.000 Deeply embarrassing for Barack Obama, who agreed to be the whole face of us and cut so many commercials in favor of this referendum.

00:08:04.000 Just, you know, deeply embarrassing for every Democrat.

00:08:07.000 We started with an anniversary celebration there.

00:08:10.000 And Barack Obama has recently admitted that his decision to continue fighting President Trump has caused tension in their marriage, which is also unfortunate for the former president.

00:08:22.000 I got a graph here.

00:08:24.000 I guess it's not really a graph, but it's a visual of what we're now dealing with.

00:08:28.000 Redistricting update.

00:08:30.000 After the Virginia map got struck down.

00:08:31.000 So you got Texas plus five.

00:08:33.000 The state, the court just affirmed that map.

00:08:35.000 Florida plus four.

00:08:37.000 Ohio plus one.

00:08:38.000 Missouri plus one.

00:08:39.000 North Carolina plus one.

00:08:40.000 Tennessee plus one.

00:08:42.000 They just did their maps.

00:08:43.000 By the way, you got to love just the absolute insanity that broke out in Tennessee.

00:08:48.000 Oh, that was so amazing.

00:08:48.000 The tantrums.

00:08:49.000 The tantrums. 0.97

00:08:50.000 This Justin Pearson clown who went full ghetto, by the way, and just threw this massive tantrum against a police officer when it happened.

00:08:57.000 So that counters California, which went D plus five, and Utah, which added one because that.

00:09:02.000 Crazy court ruling there.

00:09:04.000 Pending Louisiana, Alabama, and South Carolina, all plus at least one more.

00:09:09.000 The redistricting wars are turning into a bloodbath for the Democrats.

00:09:15.000 There's just, and Blake and I were skeptical because we were traumatized from the old way that the GOP did business, which was we talk a good game and then we just completely don't show up for the fight.

00:09:27.000 This time we're actually doing it.

00:09:28.000 I think Indiana had a lot to do with some of this as well, Greg.

00:09:32.000 All right.

00:09:33.000 So we have a, Crystal ball prediction here, Greg.

00:09:37.000 This is from Open Source Zone.

00:09:40.000 It's a good account to follow.

00:09:42.000 They have it at Republicans.

00:09:44.000 These are Republican leaning seats.

00:09:46.000 If you want to throw up that graphic, please.

00:09:48.000 At 211.

00:09:49.000 So we just plus three.

00:09:51.000 Democrats at 208, minus four.

00:09:54.000 Toss ups at 16.

00:09:56.000 That's the wrong graph.

00:09:57.000 That's the right graphic.

00:09:57.000 There you go.

00:09:58.000 Toss ups at 16.

00:10:00.000 So conceivably.

00:10:01.000 Two of them here in Arizona.

00:10:02.000 What's that?

00:10:02.000 Two of them here in Arizona.

00:10:03.000 That's right.

00:10:04.000 So conceivably, we still.

00:10:06.000 Could lose the house, Greg, right?

00:10:07.000 With that 16 toss up races.

00:10:10.000 And the wind is definitely behind the Democrats.

00:10:14.000 It's a midterm with the incumbent party.

00:10:17.000 So let's talk about what you see happening here.

00:10:20.000 Do you like our chances?

00:10:22.000 Are things trending in the right direction?

00:10:24.000 What do we need to focus on?

00:10:25.000 Yeah.

00:10:26.000 I mean, we have like, there are still months away from November, and a lot changes in elections.

00:10:32.000 Things can change, you know, just in a matter of weeks.

00:10:35.000 And so, But Republicans, I think, definitely have a real chance of bucking history here and maybe not taking back the House, but massively overperforming in a way that hasn't happened before.

00:10:47.000 And another way to think about it is, as you said, because of all the redistricting and because of how polarized the country has become, even if you think there's a worst case scenario for the GOP on election night, there's not that many districts that are truly toss up districts anymore.

00:11:05.000 And so I. You know, obviously, the economy needs to get better.

00:11:09.000 Gas prices need to come down.

00:11:11.000 Obviously, the pocket, you know, it's the kitchen table issues are the things that win and lose you elections.

00:11:16.000 But, you know, for what the approval ratings have been for the administration, the approval ratings of the Democratic Party have been in the toilet and they've never gone up for that.

00:11:27.000 They are consistently lower than the president.

00:11:30.000 And so that is still a real problem for the Democrats to contend with.

00:11:34.000 The other thing is they're caught in a lot of extremely messy primaries right now, which I'm sure you guys have talked about a lot on the show, especially.

00:11:41.000 In that Michigan Senate race, where you have those three people duking it out.

00:11:46.000 And that's an extremely late primary in August.

00:11:48.000 And that's going to be, they're going to have millions of dollars spent in places like that just on the primaries alone.

00:11:55.000 And they're dealing with lots of similar races like that across the country.

00:11:58.000 And so, you know, people obviously, people freak out about the midterms.

00:12:03.000 And obviously, you know, the headwinds, because it's a midterm with the incumbent party in power, you can't say they're in the Republican Party's favor, but there's still tons of things going our way.

00:12:12.000 And We're still a long ways away from November.

00:12:16.000 This thing's only just begun.

00:12:17.000 I agree.

00:12:18.000 And, you know, it's funny. 0.59

00:12:18.000 I'll talk to Rich Barris, who's sort of famously black pilling right now, which is fine. 0.59

00:12:24.000 But, you know, he says what is the silver lining here is just that Democrats can't get out of their own way, right?

00:12:30.000 They're going more radical, they're doubling down on so much of what got them in this place to begin with in 2024.

00:12:37.000 So that's the good news.

00:12:38.000 The other good news is you see there was a jobs report that came out this morning.

00:12:43.000 It was like 65,000 predicted.

00:12:45.000 We actually did 115,000.

00:12:46.000 They upward revised March up 7,000 jobs, which is lo and behold.

00:12:53.000 I mean, during Biden, remember, it was like every time they would do a jobs revision, they would cut out all the gains.

00:12:59.000 I mean, they were cooking the books.

00:13:00.000 They were cooking the books.

00:13:01.000 They were cooking the books.

00:13:02.000 So the economy is actually showing massive resiliency.

00:13:04.000 We're actually stronger than all the other rich nations in the world right now from a growth standpoint.

00:13:10.000 And we have oil, and we're now becoming a massive exporter of oil.

00:13:14.000 So that's a huge, these are huge benefits that.

00:13:16.000 Despite the Iran controversy, despite the Iran conflict, we're actually showing amazing resiliency economically.

00:13:23.000 And we should know we still have six months to, well, five months at this point to get the, for Iran to potentially wrap up.

00:13:31.000 Which would be huge. 0.71

00:13:31.000 Sure, we should know. 0.71

00:13:32.000 That would be very good.

00:13:33.000 And it might even be you get one of those weird bounces where they didn't like that it happened, but they reward it ending.

00:13:38.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:38.000 Like they happen a lot with.

00:13:40.000 Greg, you mentioned Michigan. 0.66

00:13:42.000 Our favorite guy, El Sayed, or whatever his name is, running for it, is a Muslim radical leftist. 0.91

00:13:47.000 And he likes to lecture us on a revamp of.

00:13:51.000 Democracy and all these things.

00:13:52.000 He wants to pack the court.

00:13:53.000 He wants to bring in the states.

00:13:54.000 He's that guy.

00:13:56.000 And I just find that really galling, by the way, just in general.

00:13:58.000 Like he's a first generation America lecturing me and you people.

00:14:04.000 Our ancestors' blood and bones are buried and spilled all over this land and wars and fighting for it and preserving our constitutional republic.

00:14:13.000 And he's going to lecture us.

00:14:14.000 Anyways, he campaigned with Hassan Piker.

00:14:17.000 Hassan Piker has just reacted to this morning's Supreme Court ruling in Virginia saying, The Virginia Supreme Court denied the results of the redistricting referendum.

00:14:27.000 SCOTUS gutted the Voting Rights Act, and Tennessee carved up the last Dem district, destroying black voter power in the state.

00:14:33.000 It's probably going to go to a black Republican woman in Tennessee, but who cares about the details, right, Hassan? 0.55

00:14:33.000 That's actually not true. 0.55

00:14:41.000 Anyways, he goes, Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable. 0.99

00:14:48.000 This guy's a real peach, and he wants to get conservatives killed. 0.97

00:14:51.000 He wants capitalist blood strewn in the streets. 0.98

00:14:54.000 He jokes about. 0.92

00:14:55.000 President Trump being assassinated.

00:14:57.000 He jokes about Senator Scott getting assassinated.

00:15:01.000 Greg, I just got to get your opinion on this real quick before we lose you.

00:15:05.000 What the heck is going on with this kind of talk? 0.59

00:15:08.000 Yeah, I mean, if there was ever a case for ending birthright citizenship, especially for Turkish nationals engaging in birthright tourism, I think Hassan Piker is exhibit A of that. 0.99

00:15:22.000 I mean, yeah, he's just a psycho. 0.75

00:15:25.000 And he's a psycho that, you know, And, you know, we have psychos on the right too, but he's a psycho being mainstreamed by outlets like the New York Times, who Democrat candidates like Abdul El Said are campaigning with. 0.97

00:15:39.000 And so this guy's, you know, he may sound crazy to most people, but this is now, this is the id of the Democratic Party.

00:15:46.000 If Democrats aren't already saying the things out loud that Hassan Piker says on a daily basis, they're definitely texting it in their group chats and saying it to each other privately.

00:15:56.000 And don't forget Jay Jones, who got elected to Virginia's as the Virginia AG.

00:16:01.000 I mean, this stuff is so, it's so prevalent.

00:16:03.000 It's so rampant.

00:16:04.000 It's hard to keep up with it.

00:16:05.000 I mean, it really is.

00:16:06.000 That's how sick it has become.

00:16:08.000 There is a, There is a rot within Democrat circles, and it's going to cost more people their lives.

00:16:16.000 I'm sad to say, I just don't see them correcting course.

00:16:19.000 Greg Price, thank you, conservative strategist.

00:16:21.000 Follow him on X, and please tweet that out, what you just said, Greg.

00:16:24.000 That was brilliant.

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00:17:34.000 Without further ado, I want to bring in two new GOP nominees from the state of Indiana.

00:17:34.000 All right.

00:17:41.000 That would be Brian Schmutzler, Dr. Brian Schmutzler.

00:17:44.000 I believe I'm saying that right.

00:17:46.000 An Indiana State Senate GOP nominee.

00:17:48.000 It's a Official and Trevor DeVries, who's also a new GOP nominee from that state, in a huge win for grassroots conservatives all across the country.

00:17:58.000 And we'll explain what I mean by that in just a second.

00:18:01.000 Gentlemen, welcome to the show.

00:18:02.000 Thanks for having me.

00:18:04.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:18:05.000 Well, congratulations on a tremendous, tremendous victory in the GOP primary.

00:18:10.000 So now you're facing the general.

00:18:12.000 So I don't get to say state senator elect just yet, but I like our chances.

00:18:17.000 Okay, so let's start with you, Dr. Brian. Schmutzler, right?

00:18:21.000 I'm saying it right.

00:18:22.000 I just want to make sure.

00:18:24.000 Yeah, you're saying it right.

00:18:25.000 Okay, good.

00:18:26.000 You know me, Dr. Bryan.

00:18:27.000 Dr. Bryan, that works.

00:18:29.000 Future state senator, Dr. Bryan.

00:18:32.000 Tell us why you decided to get in this race and just your experience running and what you saw, what you learned.

00:18:39.000 The floor is yours.

00:18:40.000 Man, that's kind of a long story in getting in the race.

00:18:43.000 My grandfather was actually a state senator in the 60s and 70s down in southern Indiana, so kind of always been in my blood.

00:18:50.000 A lot of things happened with some anesthesia access and affordability stuff that I had worked on.

00:18:55.000 And then I'll be honest, Charlie getting assassinated got me really mad and motivated.

00:19:00.000 I kind of have a connection with Turning Point itself.

00:19:04.000 Lucas Miles is my pastor, I'm also the vice president of Turning Point Faith.

00:19:09.000 And so, you know, after that happened, I got really mad and motivated.

00:19:13.000 And then kind of the final straw for me was a redistricting vote.

00:19:16.000 And so after that happened, I was in, I was fully in.

00:19:19.000 And over the next few months, here we are.

00:19:22.000 So, yeah, it was a lot of different things, but Charlie was a big part of it.

00:19:28.000 Yeah.

00:19:29.000 Well said.

00:19:30.000 That's a beautiful story.

00:19:31.000 Thank you for sharing that, actually.

00:19:33.000 And by the way, Pastor Lucas Miles is amazing.

00:19:36.000 He's a great patriot.

00:19:37.000 He's a great pastor.

00:19:39.000 He's been on the show a number of times.

00:19:40.000 He's leading the Make Heaven Crowded tour all across the country.

00:19:43.000 So we've been putting him on the road.

00:19:45.000 So I know he gets back on Sundays for you guys, but a great guy.

00:19:49.000 Trevor DeVries, either way, I'm not sure.

00:19:53.000 So tell us the same.

00:19:55.000 Same question to you. 0.71

00:19:56.000 Why'd you get in this race?

00:19:57.000 What'd you see when you were running?

00:19:58.000 What'd you learn?

00:20:00.000 Yeah.

00:20:00.000 So really, it came down to over the past couple of years, it just feels like.

00:20:06.000 Every day, Hoosiers are being squeezed and struggling more and more each day.

00:20:10.000 And it just seemed like every time we went to our legislators, voicing our concerns, our comments, and our opinions, it just seemed like they weren't actually listening to us.

00:20:20.000 And really, as the reason I got involved is very similar to Dr. Bryant, my church is very heavily involved here locally.

00:20:28.000 I go to Livingstone's in Crown Point, Indiana, which that make heaven crowded tour.

00:20:33.000 They're stopping at our church here in July.

00:20:35.000 So, super excited about that.

00:20:37.000 And really, it's just, When we saw Christian values and conservative values start to really slowly drift away in Indianapolis, it was really time for the next generation of conservative leadership to actually jump up and fight to keep the Overton window from sliding further and further left on a daily basis.

00:20:58.000 Yeah, that's really well said, I think.

00:21:00.000 And, you know, you see this, what you guys did and what you accomplished.

00:21:04.000 And we were grateful to play a role, Turning Point Action, Tyler, Brett, and the whole team.

00:21:10.000 Just did a tremendous job in Tennessee.

00:21:14.000 Gosh, there are so many states I want to get to.

00:21:15.000 I'm looking at my call sheet here.

00:21:18.000 But it did a great job in Indiana.

00:21:20.000 And we're just so proud because I think what you guys have done, the courage that you exhibited stepping into the fray, has had knock on effects.

00:21:27.000 You see this in Alabama where there's a literal tornado warning going off.

00:21:33.000 The feed gets cut out because the winds were so high.

00:21:36.000 And they passed the redistricting map in Alabama following the VRA.

00:21:41.000 Ruling from the Supreme Court. 0.73

00:21:42.000 You see in Tennessee where they put up with a bunch of petulant children and Black Panthers getting in their face to pass through that new map in Tennessee. 0.59

00:21:49.000 We're seeing a courage and a backbone and a fight in the GOP, in conservative movement that we had never seen, at least in generations, because we're finally fighting.

00:22:00.000 We're finally pushing back.

00:22:01.000 And I think what you guys did made such a huge difference.

00:22:04.000 You proved the model.

00:22:05.000 You proved there are consequences if you get entrenched, rhino, old school GOP from the Bush era that refuse to realize what time it is, what.

00:22:15.000 The fact that we are in a fight for our lives in this country.

00:22:18.000 And I'm just so proud of you guys.

00:22:20.000 And I'm so grateful that you did what you did.

00:22:22.000 And I mean, literally, we have clips from all of this, by the way.

00:22:26.000 Maybe we play them, but genuinely, a nation thanks you for what you did because the knock on effects are going to prove extraordinarily valuable for the rest of us.

00:22:36.000 Either one of you can take it.

00:22:37.000 Blake, you can take it.

00:22:38.000 No, I'm so glad.

00:22:40.000 Oh, yeah, you go.

00:22:41.000 Yeah.

00:22:41.000 You go.

00:22:41.000 You're the guest.

00:22:42.000 No, I mean, you know, I was honored to do it.

00:22:42.000 Yeah.

00:22:45.000 And I think.

00:22:46.000 Trevor and I are both strong Christians, and I think we both believe that God called us to this.

00:22:51.000 And it is bigger than just Indiana.

00:22:54.000 I mean, the people of my district, Senate District 11, obviously I'm going to represent them well.

00:22:59.000 But I think, like you said, we're representing a movement.

00:23:02.000 We're representing a movement of youth in the Republican Party and Christian conservatives.

00:23:10.000 We're going to go down to Indianapolis, and I think Trevor can speak to this too.

00:23:13.000 We've got a tech string with all of the challengers who won, and we talk a lot about our faith.

00:23:19.000 We pray together.

00:23:20.000 We do all kinds of things together.

00:23:21.000 And that's going to fundamentally change the statehouse in Indiana.

00:23:25.000 That's amazing.

00:23:26.000 Yeah, well said.

00:23:27.000 I'm going to play this.

00:23:29.000 Well, actually, I have a question before I play this. 0.99

00:23:30.000 I was going to play Justin Pearson, this Black Panther out of Tennessee.

00:23:35.000 Anyways, but a lot of people were trying to diagnose what the message was from Indiana, and they said, Trump still is the man in the movement.

00:23:43.000 And yes, he is.

00:23:44.000 But I think on a local level, on a fundamental level, this was bigger than Trump.

00:23:49.000 This was, explain that, if you will, what the sense of betrayal that people had at the local level in Indiana.

00:23:59.000 Trevor, you can take this one.

00:24:01.000 Just that, what they were really motivated by here.

00:24:04.000 Yeah, I think Dr. Bryan said it well.

00:24:07.000 Charlie lit a fire.

00:24:10.000 That really started in a little small bonfire that just grew to just a wildfire across the nation.

00:24:17.000 You know, I remember the day he died very clearly, right?

00:24:21.000 I was with the Hoosier Leadership Series class, Minneana Family Institute in DC, and we were actually on the floor of Congress, and we came out of that and we heard that Charlie had been shot.

00:24:30.000 And we immediately, all 65 plus of us, started praying on Capitol Hill, you know, and really it's just people locally woke up heavily after Charlie was assassinated.

00:24:44.000 And people noticed and realized and started paying attention far more than ever before because the question kept saying, okay, who's picking up the microphone?

00:24:53.000 And we are all Charlie Kirk.

00:24:55.000 We need to lock arms and start moving forward together to make sure we fight to save our state, our country, and just save America for our children, our grandchildren, and the generations to come.

00:25:08.000 And when it came to the conversations we were having regularly, you know, redistricting was an important topic.

00:25:15.000 But it was never number one.

00:25:17.000 It was always, hey, that was really frustrating.

00:25:20.000 And then as I dug in deeper and started looking at the voting records of my legislators, people got more upset.

00:25:26.000 People were frustrated.

00:25:27.000 Our taxes are rising.

00:25:29.000 Government is overreached, and big government is just growing.

00:25:33.000 And that's really what broke the camel's back people are waking up.

00:25:37.000 People are tired of sitting back.

00:25:39.000 And we've realized how complacent and asleep at the wheel Indiana has been over the past couple of years.

00:25:46.000 No, it's a good point.

00:25:48.000 One of the Topics Charlie really was harping on in the last couple years.

00:25:52.000 He would talk about the need for red states to really step up and be as powerful as as powerfully red as blue states are powerfully blue on this show.

00:26:01.000 We're endlessly covering what they do in California because it's so extreme, or what they did in Virginia.

00:26:06.000 They took over, they won a big election, and they just they ran they've just failed on their redistricting.

00:26:11.000 Thank you, but they've rammed through everything else to make it as blue as California, Oregon, Washington, New York.

00:26:18.000 And we have a state like yours, Indiana, totally very red.

00:26:22.000 Consistently electing Republicans, and it's a big state.

00:26:25.000 It's a big enough state that if you're acting in a really red way, you can have a national impact.

00:26:30.000 People will notice it.

00:26:31.000 I want to play this clip and get your guys' reaction because you talk about your Christian faith.

00:26:34.000 This is State Senator Travis Holdman, who lost by over 20 points, and he's saying, Revenge and retribution is not a Christian value. 0.72

00:26:41.000 Sod 8.

00:26:42.000 How do you feel? 0.98

00:26:44.000 Well, I have one lesson for people revenge and retribution is not a Christian value, and that's what this was all about. 0.94

00:26:52.000 And I'm not bitter about it, it's just a fact.

00:26:57.000 And there's life after serving a union out of senate.

00:27:00.000 And I'm going to find out what that's like.

00:27:03.000 Dr. Bryan, your reaction.

00:27:04.000 Yeah, this isn't revenge and retribution, it's accountability.

00:27:08.000 When our elected officials fail us, they need to be held accountable.

00:27:12.000 That's what this was, not retribution and revenge.

00:27:17.000 Trevor?

00:27:18.000 Yeah, I couldn't say any better myself.

00:27:19.000 Really, at the end of the day, this was taking control of the situation at hand and keeping everyone accountable.

00:27:26.000 If you do a poor job at your day job, You're going to get fired.

00:27:30.000 If you're not listening to your boss or to your coworkers, you're going to get fired.

00:27:34.000 So, for them to think that they can go off and do whatever they want and honestly lie to everyone saying that constituents didn't want this, it's false.

00:27:45.000 So, they did the wrong thing.

00:27:49.000 Well said, gentlemen, and congratulations.

00:27:52.000 Godspeed in the general.

00:27:53.000 We like our chances, and God bless you both.

00:27:56.000 Thank you for your courage.

00:27:57.000 Thank you for your kind words about Charlie.

00:27:58.000 It means a lot to us.

00:27:59.000 So, thank you.

00:28:00.000 God bless you both.

00:28:02.000 Thank you so much.

00:28:03.000 Thank you.

00:28:03.000 All right, it's safe to say that the Democrats are taking this poorly.

00:28:08.000 We got a smattering of clips, but I want to start with this guy, Justin Pearson, who used to be this really buttoned up, clean shaven dude.

00:28:17.000 And then he turned into a Black Panther. 0.88

00:28:18.000 Similar pattern we've seen from a lot of, like, some black people, like, they find their roots eventually or something, whatever they think it is. 0.99

00:28:25.000 They go on this journey and then they come out looking like this. 1.00

00:28:28.000 And it's an unfortunate thing. 0.82

00:28:30.000 Anyways, so he's like a known race huckster and a wannabe Black Panther.

00:28:35.000 He gets physical and threatens a state police officer. 0.66

00:28:38.000 After the Tennessee vote on redistricting, sock twenty.

00:28:42.000 I'll walk about.

00:28:43.000 We all go on.

00:28:45.000 Let go of it, sir.

00:28:46.000 Let me all tied up, sir.

00:28:49.000 No, let me all tied up.

00:28:51.000 My brother ain't going to be okay.

00:28:55.000 You'll walk out myself.

00:29:00.000 What is wrong with you?

00:29:07.000 What is wrong with you?

00:29:14.000 Yeah, that's him calling the police officer boy.

00:29:19.000 I mean, this is he thinks he's Malcolm X, but he's like a he's like Tamu Malcolm X, is what he is.

00:29:24.000 So here's his reaction calling it a racist tool of white supremacy.

00:29:30.000 Sot 12. 0.95

00:29:31.000 These maps are racist tools of white supremacy at the behest of the most powerful white supremacist in the United States of America, Donald J. Trump. 0.87

00:29:41.000 Memphis is the most beautiful place on the planet.

00:29:45.000 It's the place that raised me, my brothers, my parents, my grandmothers, and where my ancestors' bones rest.

00:29:52.000 And what you are doing today is eviscerating the only black majority congressional district in our state because we are majority black.

00:30:05.000 We are here because this Republican Party has to seek to steal elections and seats.

00:30:11.000 Because the president and the party have refused to address the pain, the suffering, and the struggling of everyday Tennesseans.

00:30:20.000 So he says that Memphis is the most beautiful place on the planet.

00:30:23.000 Now, no disrespect to Memphis.

00:30:25.000 I think a lot of people would dispute that.

00:30:28.000 Yeah.

00:30:30.000 Memphis's murder rate is kind of through the roof.

00:30:32.000 There's a lot of crime, a lot of problems there.

00:30:34.000 I remember when we hosted our event at the University of Memphis, it was.

00:30:43.000 I don't think I was at that one.

00:30:44.000 No, it got overrun.

00:30:45.000 I mean, the university was just completely.

00:30:47.000 It was Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:30:48.000 That's right.

00:30:49.000 And they messed with it, the ticketing, and then it got overrun by all these activists, like Justin Pearson.

00:30:55.000 Became a really almost violent situation.

00:30:58.000 But that's what happens. 1.00

00:31:00.000 Stacey Abrams, not to be outdone, is getting in the mix. 1.00

00:31:04.000 Stop five. 1.00

00:31:05.000 You have to sit what Tennessee is doing next to the fight that's coming out of Louisiana, next to the fight that will follow in Mississippi. 0.86

00:31:12.000 and likely in South Carolina. 0.61

00:31:14.000 We are watching in real time the restoration of the very laws that pretended racial neutrality, but were intended to deny black and brown voters the right to participate in democracy, which is one of the principal goals of authoritarianism. 0.66

00:31:32.000 They do not want the people who may disagree with them to be heard. 0.71

00:31:36.000 And right now in the United States, race is the strongest predictor of political leanings.

00:31:40.000 And so it's a lucky twofer.

00:31:42.000 They get the partisanship, but they also get the white supremacy that they seek. 0.81

00:31:46.000 Oh, white supremacy.

00:31:47.000 Well, Lydia Moynihan, who's been on this show, was on CNN, and she has something to say about that.

00:31:53.000 I thought it was a really good point.

00:31:54.000 I want to shout it out. 1.00

00:31:55.000 Sod 11. 0.91

00:31:56.000 You have to admit, it is a little ironic that the woman now who is likely going to win the 9th district in Tennessee is a black Republican woman as a result of this redistricting effort. 0.89

00:32:07.000 It's likely going to be a black Republican woman who beats that old white man. 0.51

00:32:10.000 Could I make this very simple? 0.98

00:32:11.000 But that's right, though.

00:32:12.000 We're going to come back.

00:32:13.000 It actually is.

00:32:15.000 We're going to come back to that.

00:32:18.000 It's a great point. 1.00

00:32:19.000 The leading candidate for that seat is now going to be a black Republican woman. 0.99

00:32:19.000 And that is true. 0.99

00:32:24.000 So much white supremacy going on in Memphis.

00:32:27.000 It's just shocking, really. 0.74

00:32:29.000 It's shocking.

00:32:30.000 It's just so obnoxious.

00:32:31.000 It's always the same thing.

00:32:33.000 It is.

00:32:33.000 We've been running the same playbook at this point longer than almost anyone watching this show has been alive.

00:32:40.000 Yep.

00:32:41.000 It's been the same thing.

00:32:42.000 70s, 80s, 90s. 0.96

00:32:44.000 America is racist. 0.99

00:32:45.000 They're going to bring back Jim Crow. 0.97

00:32:47.000 They're going to bring back slavery. 0.85

00:32:48.000 They're going to bring back all these things.

00:32:49.000 It's obviously untrue.

00:32:51.000 At this point, it's comedically untrue.

00:32:53.000 You're actually, I think, I think this stat is still true that you're more likely to have a black lawmaker representing a region that's not majority black with Republicans than with Democrats. 0.98

00:33:07.000 That's good. 0.99

00:33:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:33:08.000 All right.

00:33:08.000 It's like Tim Scott has won a statewide race in a state that's not majority black.

00:33:11.000 Well, here's the thing these are all retreads from the heyday of the civil rights movement. 0.97

00:33:17.000 And it's about darn time. 0.94

00:33:19.000 Listen, I'm not saying that. 0.98

00:33:21.000 We didn't have racism and white supremacy in the United States in the 1950s and 60s.

00:33:27.000 And some things were done to correct some of that.

00:33:29.000 And guess what?

00:33:30.000 Some of it was a complete overstep and an overreach.

00:33:33.000 It was extra constitutional.

00:33:35.000 And some of those values were getting far enough away from the 1960s that we finally woke up as a country.

00:33:41.000 A new generation emerged that wasn't tied to old lessons that potentially went too far.

00:33:47.000 And we woke up to some of those excesses.

00:33:50.000 All right?

00:33:50.000 That's a good thing.

00:33:52.000 The recalibration.

00:33:53.000 The defanging of the R word, racist, at everything is a good thing for the constitutional republic by which we stand, all right?

00:34:03.000 For which we stand.

00:34:04.000 I will tell you that this was one of Charlie's guiding lights, his guiding principle was that America is not a racist country.

00:34:11.000 We're not a bad place.

00:34:12.000 As a matter of fact, we are historically good and not racist.

00:34:15.000 We are the antithesis of that. 0.98

00:34:17.000 People have taken advantage of our generosity, they've taken advantage of our colorblindness, and they have worked us like a bunch of suckers. 0.95

00:34:24.000 Era is coming to an end. 0.94

00:34:24.000 Well, that. 0.94

00:34:26.000 I am proud to say, and you heard it directly from the Indiana state senators elect, I think they're going to be the future Indiana state senators.

00:34:33.000 That Charlie lit a fuse in them, he lit a fire, and that he inspired them to get off the sidelines, to get in those races, and to take back power from the old GOP establishment that refused to fight for the voters.

00:34:45.000 What did Charlie say more than anything?

00:34:47.000 Well, he said a lot of things, but he said, We want a conservative party, a Republican party that is as conservative as its voters.

00:34:56.000 We are watching in real time.

00:34:57.000 Yes, we have a lot of.

00:34:59.000 A lot of challenges.

00:35:00.000 There's a lot of people that want to take us down.

00:35:02.000 There's a lot of people that want to infiltrate the movement and discourage us, divide us.

00:35:07.000 Well, guess what?

00:35:07.000 We are watching in real time the fruit of so many years of labor.

00:35:11.000 And Charlie deserves so much credit for what you're seeing unfold right now.

00:35:16.000 And it's really heartening to see.

00:35:18.000 These are white pill after white pill moments.

00:35:21.000 The gutting of the VRA, which was unconstitutional.

00:35:23.000 We're going to get a massive boost from that in the House.

00:35:26.000 You're seeing state senators in Indiana fight back.

00:35:29.000 You're seeing the redrawing of the maps against absolute infantile tantrum throwing in Tennessee, against a tornado watch in Alabama.

00:35:39.000 And you're seeing that the Accusations, the slings and arrows of these radical race hucksters like Justin Pearson and Stacey Abrams are falling flat because we don't fall for it anymore.

00:35:50.000 God bless the United States of America and God bless all of you who helped make this happen.

00:35:54.000 This is a proud day in our country.

00:35:56.000 This is a beautiful new era that is opening up before us.

00:36:00.000 May God protect it, encourage you.

00:36:04.000 Let's get out to the polls this midterms.

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00:37:45.000 Danny, who's up first? 0.94

00:37:46.000 We got Kelsey first. 1.00

00:37:47.000 All right, Kelsey, please unmute yourself and welcome to the show. 0.89

00:37:52.000 Yes.

00:37:52.000 Hi, guys.

00:37:53.000 Hi, Kelsey.

00:37:54.000 Thanks for calling in.

00:37:55.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:37:56.000 And if I may quickly say, happy anniversary, Erica.

00:38:00.000 Beautiful.

00:38:00.000 Yes, you may.

00:38:02.000 So, the question I have for you is that an organization that I like and have financially supported for years sponsors an online voice who consistently produces disgusting slander against Erica.

00:38:15.000 I'm torn because this organization does good, but I hate that they continue to support the liar, and I don't know if I should continue to give to the organization.

00:38:25.000 What might Charlie say about the moral ambiguity in this situation?

00:38:30.000 Or is there something about how show sponsors work that I'm unaware of as a listener that could bring peace of mind that my money goes to the work of the ministry and not the pockets of who I believe to be an evildoer?

00:38:44.000 Well, Andrew, you do most of our work with the advertisers.

00:38:47.000 Yeah, so you're talking about preborn, I'm assuming.

00:38:53.000 Yeah, I wasn't going to name names, but.

00:38:55.000 Yeah, I figured it was.

00:38:57.000 I probably should have left it ambiguous as well, but I kind of assumed that's what, because I've heard so much about it.

00:39:02.000 Preborn is a sponsor of Candace Owens' show.

00:39:08.000 And that is, I know, frustrating because they've been a sponsor of our show for a long time.

00:39:13.000 And we love the work that Preborn does.

00:39:15.000 And, you know, it's interesting.

00:39:16.000 If it was a different category, then maybe I would feel more, I guess, you know, one way or the other about it.

00:39:25.000 But because it's saving babies, you know, God will use that which was meant for ill and he will use it to bless people.

00:39:34.000 And, you know, that's a lesson that we get from.

00:39:37.000 Joseph in the Bible.

00:39:38.000 And I just, I believe it, right?

00:39:40.000 And, you know, God will use all things for his good and his glory.

00:39:44.000 And so we trust in that.

00:39:45.000 And it's, listen, it's saving babies.

00:39:47.000 And if that's one of the good things that comes out of that partnership, then I'm all for it, actually.

00:39:55.000 And I've thought hard about this and I've thought, you know, should I make a fuss?

00:39:58.000 Should I send emails or make phone calls?

00:40:00.000 And it's kind of like, you know, and to your other part of your question, where you said, is there something about sponsorships that you're unaware of?

00:40:07.000 Yeah, sometimes you're locked in in contracts.

00:40:09.000 And you could get yourself into legal liability issues if you pull out of a contract without cause beforehand.

00:40:16.000 Now, the question is, is there cause?

00:40:19.000 I would venture to guess, yes, there is.

00:40:21.000 But if you're locked into contractual terms, the easiest option is probably just to continue on.

00:40:25.000 And when somebody has a large audience, which Candace does, there's no denying that she does, then you're probably going to get a lot of, you know, referrals.

00:40:34.000 And so, anyways, we want to bless babies more than we want some sort of, you know, feud to take priority over that.

00:40:41.000 And yeah, we didn't start the fight.

00:40:42.000 She did, but at the same time, it's babies, and I want more babies.

00:40:48.000 What I would say, I would also add even if we're not looking to pick a fight of that nature, if you feel strongly about it, I would encourage you to send them an email.

00:40:58.000 You could say, I have concerns, I might cease support or I might support you more if you were to make a different decision of this nature.

00:41:05.000 People do this, they would be blessed if they made that decision.

00:41:08.000 I know I've, I don't, I wasn't able to find it on shortness, but I know some people have done that and they have sent replies of that nature.

00:41:15.000 Basically, saying, you know, we have contractual relationships.

00:41:18.000 We do hear from people about this.

00:41:20.000 You might, they're pretty frank.

00:41:21.000 And they do, I think in their letter, they mention, you know, our chief goal is saving babies and we try to avoid wading into fights of that nature.

00:41:28.000 And I think that's a very good Christian point of view for them to take.

00:41:32.000 And again, if it was a different category, I'd probably be more upset. 0.82

00:41:32.000 Yeah. 0.82

00:41:36.000 Because, like I said, they do sponsor this show and we're grateful for their sponsorship.

00:41:40.000 And that's not why I'm saying it.

00:41:42.000 By the way, if I had a moral objection to one of our sponsors, we would have no problem being like, hey, this partnership is done.

00:41:49.000 But again, it's saving babies, and that's a huge thing.

00:41:52.000 And so, and they do a great job, by the way.

00:41:55.000 They do a really good job.

00:41:57.000 And they've really embraced technology and lead gen to find these moms, to work with the clinics, to get where they're at in these urban cores a lot of times, where a lot of other groups just simply aren't equipped to go.

00:42:08.000 They don't have the resources to go.

00:42:10.000 They go where it's hardest, they go where it's legally fraught.

00:42:13.000 And so, I, you know, I'm just, I'm really proud of our relationship with them.

00:42:18.000 And Dan does a great job with that organization.

00:42:21.000 So, In general, I get your concern.

00:42:24.000 In this case, I put that aside because the mission is too critical.

00:42:28.000 So, great.

00:42:29.000 I hope that answers your question.

00:42:31.000 Yep.

00:42:31.000 Thank you.

00:42:33.000 Who's next?

00:42:34.000 We got Anthony.

00:42:35.000 Ah, Anthony's back.

00:42:36.000 Our boy, Anthony.

00:42:38.000 Welcome back to the show.

00:42:40.000 How are you all doing?

00:42:40.000 Thanks, guys.

00:42:41.000 We're doing lovely.

00:42:42.000 Yeah, it's a great day.

00:42:43.000 That's good.

00:42:44.000 Hopefully, Andrew won't be doing good come Monday when my Braves beat his Dodgers.

00:42:49.000 Well, listen, the bats are coming back to life for us.

00:42:52.000 So, You know, they went sleepy for a little while.

00:42:56.000 I will say the Cubs have the best record in the league.

00:42:59.000 The Cubs have gone on this home winning streak that's just insane, and they about lost a couple times.

00:43:05.000 They pull it out right at the end, almost like game seven in the World Series.

00:43:08.000 When Miguel Rojas hit that home run, we were down one.

00:43:11.000 We won out, and he was our nine hitter.

00:43:14.000 What's that?

00:43:15.000 We lost our first series to the Mariners.

00:43:17.000 We were 10 0 1 in series this season going into Seattle.

00:43:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:22.000 Well, listen, the Braves have a lot of talent.

00:43:25.000 I'm not a huge fan of Atlanta in general.

00:43:27.000 I think it's got too much traffic, too much corruption. 1.00

00:43:30.000 They run elections like they're a bunch of Somali Pirates, but whatever. 1.00

00:43:34.000 What's your question, Anthony? 0.95

00:43:34.000 Continue. 0.95

00:43:36.000 All right.

00:43:36.000 So, my question is this.

00:43:38.000 So, what we just saw in Indiana with the state primaries, do you think that's going to send a shockwave through the rest of the GOP?

00:43:46.000 Not like at every single level now, but like, hey, we've allowed you career Republicans to be in office for X amount of years at every level.

00:43:56.000 You've now really haven't been working for the people.

00:43:59.000 The people are upset, and now we're just going to primary you.

00:44:02.000 Do you think they're going to start listening to this, or are they just going to push it to the side?

00:44:06.000 Like, well, this is just a A little bit of a speed bump type thing.

00:44:10.000 Well, so you're familiar with the expression or the term arbitrage, right?

00:44:15.000 Yes.

00:44:16.000 I think what happened in Indiana was this arbitrage opportunity that has been missing from our formula on the conservative side because we focus so much on swing states and getting swing races over the finish line.

00:44:28.000 And so what would happen is you'd get like these really conservative, dynamic people out of these swing districts because we were putting all these resources into candidate recruitment and base turnout.

00:44:39.000 But what we left was all these deep red states that were getting.

00:44:42.000 You know, corrupt over time.

00:44:44.000 They were getting soft over time, complacent over time.

00:44:47.000 And so we would constantly complain that the Democrats had these total fire breathers out of these deep blue states that would send their most radical people from California or wherever.

00:44:56.000 Meanwhile, our deep red states were getting softer and softer and more moderate and more moderate because the establishment Republicans became entrenched in power.

00:45:05.000 The arbitrage comes when you realize you can primary these people and the voters are deeply unsatisfied with their product, their work product.

00:45:13.000 And then all of a sudden, you're starting to see that states got the memo.

00:45:16.000 This is why I think what you saw in Alabama happened when there's a tornado coming through.

00:45:21.000 They got the memo and they still passed the maps, despite the fact that the power shut off immediately after because the winds were so high.

00:45:28.000 I mean, it was a dangerous situation.

00:45:29.000 They still got those maps.

00:45:30.000 I would like to add this the GOP establishment, it's the establishment because they hold offices and they hold power.

00:45:35.000 And what we see is in state after state, they just aren't these guys there anymore.

00:45:40.000 They're losing office, they're losing power, they're retiring, they're being driven out.

00:45:44.000 And eventually, just there is no establishment to reassert control.

00:45:48.000 And that's very heartening.

00:45:49.000 See, I'll be honest.

00:45:50.000 At my GOP caucus in my town, we have a town boardwoman who went against the people on a solar farm. 0.98

00:45:57.000 She had over 400 people sign up.

00:45:59.000 There were petitions.

00:46:00.000 Over 60 people were going to town board meetings.

00:46:02.000 And she basically told the people, well, why should I not approve this?

00:46:07.000 Because they filled out all the correct paperwork, so I should approve it.

00:46:10.000 And I told her in our caucus meeting, I go, in any other GOP party in a strong state, you would have been censored immediately because you went against your constituents.

00:46:18.000 I go, this is a town level.

00:46:20.000 And I created an uproar.

00:46:21.000 And now, from what I've been told, is people in the caucus want to nominate me for being on the vetting process for our local candidates in my town's GOP.

00:46:30.000 There you go.

00:46:30.000 And I told them, I go, guys, I'm not afraid to rock the boat.

00:46:33.000 You come after me.

00:46:34.000 I don't care.

00:46:35.000 Well, good for you.

00:46:36.000 We need that's exactly what we need.

00:46:38.000 We need people that stand on principle and that aren't cowed by a little complaining because that's what they've done to us for years.

00:46:43.000 They just complain, shriek, wail, yell, and we fold like a cheap suit.

00:46:47.000 Not anymore.

00:46:48.000 That era is gone.

00:46:49.000 Who's next?

00:46:50.000 We have Mark.

00:46:53.000 Mark.

00:46:54.000 Yep.

00:46:54.000 Mark, welcome to the show.

00:46:55.000 Please unmute yourself.

00:46:57.000 Hi, guys.

00:46:57.000 Can you hear me?

00:46:58.000 Yes, sir.

00:46:58.000 Yes, we can.

00:46:59.000 Right on.

00:47:00.000 Okay, real quick, guys.

00:47:02.000 What is sock?

00:47:03.000 Sock 25.

00:47:04.000 When you say sock 25, it's like clip sound on tape.

00:47:08.000 It stands for sound on tape.

00:47:09.000 Yeah.

00:47:11.000 And it's a broadcast expression.

00:47:14.000 Every time I hear that, I go, why does he keep it?

00:47:16.000 It just sounds like you're saying sock.

00:47:19.000 I'm glad you brought it up.

00:47:21.000 I guess that makes sense that nobody knows what that term is outside of broadcasting.

00:47:25.000 So, yeah.

00:47:26.000 No, that just means like throw the clip up.

00:47:28.000 Yeah, because you used to say clips.

00:47:29.000 Okay.

00:47:30.000 I got that out of the way.

00:47:31.000 It was bugging me. 1.00

00:47:32.000 Number two, go Cubbies. 1.00

00:47:34.000 Half my family's in Chicago.

00:47:35.000 I like Cubbies. 1.00

00:47:37.000 I like watching them.

00:47:38.000 They're fun to watch.

00:47:39.000 Over half of their pitching staff has gotten hurt this year, too.

00:47:42.000 There's a whole epidemic of pitchers getting hurt, bro.

00:47:45.000 Their three best starting pitchers have gotten hurt.

00:47:47.000 Two of them are out for the year.

00:47:48.000 So if they get traded for some pitching at the deadline here, watch out.

00:47:51.000 They might win it again this year.

00:47:54.000 It's been 10 years.

00:47:55.000 Wait, hold on.

00:47:56.000 Hold on.

00:47:56.000 I want to talk about this really briefly, Mark.

00:47:58.000 There is an epidemic of pitchers going down.

00:48:03.000 So, I worked for Ohio State's baseball team too, and I saw this there as well that half of the pitchers that we had would blow their arms out with Tommy John.

00:48:12.000 They're overusing their arm because the new focus has been on velocity instead of command.

00:48:17.000 So, they're having these kids starting at like 12 years old just try and throw as hard as they possibly can, and their ligaments just can't take it by the time they reach high school and college.

00:48:26.000 Good news is Tommy John's is a pretty successful surgery.

00:48:29.000 So, these guys come back pretty strong, but it takes a year off.

00:48:31.000 Yeah, we've had guys that have gotten it like four times, Tommy John.

00:48:34.000 I don't know what ligaments they're even pulling from, but.

00:48:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:48:37.000 I can't follow baseball super closely because the twins have been sacrificed by their owners to just be a cash cow that will be terrible forever.

00:48:46.000 Although technically they're competitive because the AL Central is the worst division.

00:48:49.000 It's the worst division in the history of baseball.

00:48:52.000 And so they might win it with a 450 record. 1.00

00:48:56.000 Well, the Indians usually win. 1.00

00:48:58.000 Yeah, the Indians.

00:48:59.000 We're calling them the Indians here.

00:49:00.000 They're the Indians forever, so. 0.75

00:49:01.000 Yeah, forever Indians. 0.99

00:49:03.000 All right, what's your question, Mark? 0.97

00:49:05.000 Okay, so here's the thing it's more of a statement.

00:49:09.000 I think that, especially with your high school and college chapters, I think that we need to create a storyline.

00:49:16.000 And the cool thing about our position right now, the Republican position versus, in my opinion, I call them the Democratic Communists.

00:49:24.000 That party, yes, I know there are moderate Democrats, but what the party has become, it really has become authoritarian and, in my opinion, communist.

00:49:38.000 But the thing that they do well is they actually create a storyline and they stick to it.

00:49:44.000 In my opinion, one of the things that I think we do poorly is creating a storyline. 0.74

00:49:50.000 For instance, Iran, that Iran war is a pain, but the long term effects of that, I've heard a couple of your students come on and they complain about that, but the long term effects, if that pans out where we can remove all of their nuclear arms, not to mention forcing China to pay retail for oil, that weakens them militarily and it actually strengthens us. 0.80

00:50:16.000 From a manufacturing point of view, because we can't beat slave labor in China. 0.88

00:50:21.000 But if we increase China's ability to the cost of their manufacturing by forcing them to pay retail on oil, right? 0.90

00:50:31.000 Not to mention Venezuela.

00:50:33.000 Well, it's not just the price they pay, by the way, Mark.

00:50:35.000 It's the fact that, yeah, they've been getting cut rate oil from Venezuela and Iran for a long time.

00:50:41.000 We're taking that off the board, but it's also where the money flow is going.

00:50:46.000 So that money, even though it's discounted, it's flowing into the coffers of Iran, it's flowing into the coffers of Of Maduro at the time.

00:50:52.000 Now that's no longer happening.

00:50:53.000 It's actually going into a peaceful country that wants to work with us and be a part of civilization.

00:51:00.000 Right. 0.70

00:51:00.000 And so, what was happening in Venezuela was becoming a playground for the Russians, the Cubans, the Chinese. 0.70

00:51:07.000 That's off the board now. 0.98

00:51:09.000 Yes.

00:51:10.000 And this is my point.

00:51:11.000 I want, what I would like you guys to do and start with your high school and college chapters is help them understand the long term.

00:51:20.000 And one of the ways that you do that is you give them, I call it a sales pitch, a storyline.

00:51:26.000 The benefit, the beauty of where we are is we don't need to lie.

00:51:30.000 We don't need to create a line of propaganda like the communists do.

00:51:33.000 We need to actually just explain to them the truth.

00:51:36.000 And so this is why our position is strong, but this is why I'm so worried about the midterms, right?

00:51:41.000 Because these state elections bug me.

00:51:45.000 And every time I hear, I just feel I just got a bad vibe.

00:51:50.000 I don't want to be zoom scrolling or getting all bummed down here, but basically, I don't want to lose any more elections because if we do, we're at a critical, critical point here.

00:52:00.000 And I just feel that our message needs to be stronger as to the long term effect.

00:52:06.000 Of what we are doing.

00:52:07.000 I get what you're saying, Mark.

00:52:08.000 I get what you're saying.

00:52:09.000 Blake, do you have a thought here?

00:52:11.000 No, it makes sense.

00:52:12.000 It's always a struggle.

00:52:13.000 It's a struggle.

00:52:14.000 Messaging in elections is always hard.

00:52:15.000 And we know President Trump has an almost extreme natural at it.

00:52:22.000 But a lot of people, Charlie was a great natural at it.

00:52:25.000 But it's a huge challenge.

00:52:26.000 Otherwise, politics would be a lot easier than it is.

00:52:27.000 And you're going against opponents who are also good at it.

00:52:32.000 I do feel we have something of an advantage, and that I do think the left is getting over time.

00:52:39.000 More nakedly awful.

00:52:43.000 I feel like we're a lot more likely today to see left wingers who will just celebrate, for example, Charlie's murder.

00:52:49.000 They'll gloat about really nasty stuff.

00:52:52.000 They'll celebrate Luigi.

00:52:53.000 They are producing guys like this arsonist in California.

00:52:56.000 And they're doing some work for us in terms of embracing the most destructive, nastiest parts of their impulse.

00:53:03.000 And we're also saying this, let's be frank, with some of the most nasty people on our side are the ones who are also saying, oh, actually, we need to team up with the left.

00:53:11.000 To bring down this administration.

00:53:12.000 Yeah, and the new thing is.

00:53:13.000 I think that's helping us a bit.

00:53:14.000 The new thing is like the burn it all down politics where.

00:53:17.000 Yeah, acceleration.

00:53:18.000 Yeah, students think they can just burn it all down and we'll build up from scratch when that's never been the case.

00:53:23.000 So you really have to kind of show them how that's not possible.

00:53:26.000 That's never been possible.

00:53:28.000 That you're only going to make things perpetually worse.

00:53:30.000 Well, and here's what I will say we've tried to make that point. 0.91

00:53:33.000 This could be politically damaging in the short term, the Iran conflict, and absolutely the right call geopolitically in the long term. 0.96

00:53:39.000 It could end up blessing this country. 0.99

00:53:41.000 For generations.

00:53:42.000 And I agree with you.

00:53:44.000 We need to do a better job of communicating that while also not frothing at the mouth for war, because we don't want that either.

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00:55:10.000 Who's next? 0.97

00:55:11.000 We have Ann.

00:55:13.000 Ann, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:55:15.000 Please unmute yourself.

00:55:18.000 So before I get my question in, I wanted to say I really loved what you did with Charlie and Erica today.

00:55:23.000 That just makes me so sad.

00:55:25.000 And I feel so bad about you guys and Erica.

00:55:28.000 Happy anniversary to Erica.

00:55:28.000 So.

00:55:30.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:55:31.000 The other thing before I got to my question was I really liked what Anthony was talking about.

00:55:35.000 And I wondered if he was discussing whether this is going to be a scare for all the other legislators.

00:55:42.000 And he was talking about state.

00:55:45.000 And I was just wondering if you guys thought that the federal, you know, people were having problems within the Senate and, you know, in the House.

00:55:53.000 But do you think that what's been going on with Indiana is going to give a scare to them?

00:55:59.000 Because I'm always thinking about the Save America Act.

00:56:02.000 That was just a little addition to my question.

00:56:05.000 We can hope.

00:56:06.000 It's always tougher.

00:56:06.000 We can hope.

00:56:07.000 I mean, senators, they serve six years.

00:56:10.000 They always got where they are by having a big base of power. 1.00

00:56:13.000 I mean, we look at Lindsey Graham.

00:56:15.000 People have wanted to unseat Lindsey Graham for ages, but he's been around a long time.

00:56:21.000 He's very good at politics.

00:56:22.000 He's good at getting Trump support, he's good at getting institutional support.

00:56:26.000 And they're older.

00:56:27.000 They can kind of care a little bit less.

00:56:29.000 It's just tougher across the country.

00:56:31.000 It's a lot of money, too, I will tell you.

00:56:32.000 Look at Texas with.

00:56:34.000 Paxton and Cornyn.

00:56:35.000 Cornyn's a guy that has been a thorn in Trump's side, but the national apparatus, the Senate apparatus, if you go to like Fox News, all these guys go on Fox News and say, We need Cornyn, we need Cornyn, we need Cornyn.

00:56:49.000 The base doesn't like him nearly as much.

00:56:51.000 Paxton is winning in that race, and yet they're going to dump $100 to $150 million in a Republican primary.

00:56:57.000 This isn't to beat Dems.

00:56:58.000 This is what they're spending to beat a fellow Republican who's more popular with the base in that state.

00:57:02.000 It's just challenging.

00:57:04.000 State level Republicans are more responsive to the base.

00:57:06.000 As a rule, this is one reason we like more local types of government.

00:57:10.000 They are more responsive to people.

00:57:12.000 That's why a lot of the, you know, the first wave of us turning the tide on woke was school board elections, local parents in their local schools.

00:57:19.000 But you had another question.

00:57:20.000 What's that question?

00:57:21.000 Yeah.

00:57:22.000 So I'm concerned about, I think everybody is, and there was another question just before me actually about this.

00:57:30.000 I'm concerned about the direction of where a lot of the podcasters are going.

00:57:34.000 They've basically pivoted 180 degrees.

00:57:37.000 To pro Islam and anti Trump, you know, which I don't, I think we all agree that they were sort of not doing that while Charlie was alive and now they're suddenly doing it.

00:57:47.000 And when I was watching the TPUSA event with Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh, you know, Michael has said this, I've heard it several times on his podcast, that he doesn't think it's really a concern about these podcasters because it's really just online.

00:58:03.000 But I think that's naive and ignores that young people are listening to this.

00:58:07.000 You know, these are people that Charlie fought so hard to get and helped us win the last election.

00:58:16.000 And I also heard Ami Kozak say that he went to Amfest and he was really surprised because he ran into some young people who really looked favorably on Nick Fuentes and his type of America First.

00:58:28.000 And he said they were receptive to counterpoints and he was able to sort of try to pivot them back.

00:58:35.000 So basically, I was going to say, I think you guys need to.

00:58:39.000 I think you need to address this more.

00:58:41.000 I know you've probably been trying to stay out of the fray, especially with the Candace stuff, but I think this has always been a podcast that has been trying to at least reach the young people.

00:58:51.000 For sure.

00:58:52.000 And I think you need to address that.

00:58:54.000 And I also wondered what you're doing to counter these kinds of malicious messages within the high school and college chapters.

00:59:01.000 Because one of the things Matt Walsh said, which was really a great answer, was you know, you're right, the Republicans aren't necessarily doing what we want.

00:59:09.000 But when you look at the alternative, the alternative is so much worse.

00:59:13.000 So that was my question.

00:59:13.000 Of course, of course.

00:59:15.000 Danny, you wanted to say something?

00:59:16.000 Yeah, the best way to just go about this is to expose these people for not having principles themselves because you see them flip flop all the time.

00:59:23.000 They do.

00:59:23.000 And what we've seen with students is.

00:59:25.000 Especially is talking to them is that they actually what makes it click with them more than anything else is if you actually show them clips of somebody or writings from somebody that they alternate.

00:59:35.000 What they hate more than anything is hypocrisy, these students.

00:59:38.000 And they're noticing this more, yeah.

00:59:40.000 The example is Fuentes.

00:59:42.000 We have a clip from him a week ago, if we want to throw that up, basically saying that Democrats want us all dead.

00:59:47.000 We could play that.

00:59:49.000 Well, that's the tweet.

00:59:50.000 So we have a tweet from him saying that he's basically going to vote Democrat, support Democrats.

00:59:55.000 And then literally one week ago, he put out this clip.

00:59:59.000 You know, what a lot of these Israel critical, counter Semitic influencers do not realize is that the left wants to kill us.

01:00:09.000 Like, they literally want us dead, and they will work to effectuate that. 0.86

01:00:14.000 They want to silence us, they want us debanked, deplatformed, and ultimately they would prefer if we all just died.

01:00:21.000 So that was what, a week ago?

01:00:22.000 That was April 27th.

01:00:23.000 Okay, throw the tweet back up.

01:00:25.000 Then this tweet was yesterday.

01:00:27.000 And it says the Republicans totally betrayed their voters and broke every single promise.

01:00:31.000 So I'm switching sides and voting Democrat.

01:00:33.000 So he's voting for the side that he just admitted wants us dead.

01:00:36.000 The side that he says wants us dead.

01:00:38.000 And I think you are correct.

01:00:39.000 Yeah, and so I sent this to a bunch of my friends who follow Fuentes and think he's funny and more of like a meme culture type thing.

01:00:45.000 And even they were like, Yeah, I don't really, I can't get along with this guy anymore because more than anything, like I feel like I'm being lied to when no one has set principles and you keep changing up all the time and lying just to get clicks, whatever's the new thing.

01:01:00.000 This was the thing that gave Charlie a lot of power over time because Charlie got stronger and stronger the more.

01:01:06.000 Time went on.

01:01:07.000 And one of the things that helped him the most was how genuine Charlie was at all times.

01:01:11.000 Even though Charlie changed his positions, he was very good at owning his change of positions.

01:01:15.000 And he wasn't a weather vane where he'd switch one week to the next or switch and then switch back.

01:01:21.000 He evolved and people could recognize that.

01:01:23.000 And it made him, people really like him.

01:01:26.000 But what's happening with a lot of these other influencers like Nick, and they're very talented people.

01:01:31.000 If you watch a Fuente stream, he's incredibly funny.

01:01:34.000 He's very charismatic.

01:01:35.000 He's very charismatic.

01:01:36.000 They're very good at holding an audience in the moment.

01:01:39.000 But they are also, they're kind of slaves to getting attention as opposed to values.

01:01:45.000 So they're willing to just say outrageous things because it will get attention.

01:01:49.000 And they're very combative over like market share.

01:01:53.000 And so they tend to feud with each other.

01:01:54.000 That's also a very funny thing.

01:01:56.000 So you have Dan Bilzerian, another one of these guys, is now saying, Nick Fenton is a Fed, whether he is or not.

01:02:02.000 They're always accusing each other of these things and feuding. 0.96

01:02:05.000 And I think you're correct that people, they're not idiots. 0.95

01:02:08.000 They notice these things if they're paying attention. 0.95

01:02:10.000 You're not going to reason with them just straight up on.

01:02:13.000 Facts, the best way to reason, especially with college students these days and high school students, is you have to actually show the hypocrisy to their face.

01:02:20.000 And until you do that, you're basically just wasting your time.

01:02:23.000 And I want to say one other thing, too.

01:02:25.000 And I think I get frustrated with because there's a lot of ink that's been spilled in the press about whether the graperification or whatever they call it of turning point.

01:02:35.000 There's a very important distinction here.

01:02:38.000 So basically, if you break down Fuentes' main two kind of driving impulses, that's about.

01:02:44.000 The, I guess, what would you call it?

01:02:47.000 The changing demographics of the United States, the loss of the white population or whatever, right? 0.78

01:02:53.000 And then Israel. 0.53

01:02:54.000 So, one place where I can say that we are firmly not in alignment is on Israel, right?

01:03:01.000 You know, listen, we have geopolitical differences with the state of Israel, with Bibi Netanyahu about war, all that stuff.

01:03:06.000 But that doesn't mean that we scapegoat Jewish people and we actually, you know, have, we don't hate them, right? 0.94

01:03:12.000 Jew hate is a scapegoating that is evil and ancient and it's a road to nowhere. 0.99

01:03:17.000 It's a road to destruction. 0.99

01:03:18.000 Charlie was very much against it.

01:03:19.000 But, like, two, People misunderstand the immigration aspect of that conversation.

01:03:24.000 So, somewhere where our students are probably hearing us and heard Charlie is that we want an immigration moratorium in this country. 0.98

01:03:31.000 We've had too much. 1.00

01:03:32.000 It's too much.

01:03:33.000 And so, some of these kids are really sympathetic to that argument because they see the fruits of that after a couple generations and they agree with us on it.

01:03:41.000 But the outside observer might understand that as, like, oh, it sounds like Groyper language. 0.96

01:03:45.000 Well, actually, it just turns out that we've just had too much immigration and we want that to stop because we're getting transformed, the erasure of American culture, go ahead. 0.98

01:03:53.000 I mean, allow me to add before we go, since she asked it at the top, I will die before I start simping for Islam. 1.00

01:03:59.000 Oh, yes. 1.00

01:04:00.000 The Islam thing is not acceptable for the West. 1.00

01:04:03.000 It is an alien and it's a bad religion. 1.00

01:04:06.000 It is a false religion. 1.00

01:04:06.000 And they want us all dead, too. 1.00

01:04:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:04:09.000 I totally disagree with any sort of sympathies for Islam.

01:04:12.000 Yes, on the micro, you will meet nice Muslim people. 1.00

01:04:15.000 On the macro, they are here to conquer us. 1.00

01:04:18.000 It is completely incompatible with Western civilization. 1.00

01:04:20.000 There's a reason they don't have the same reverence for the state and they worship Islam. 1.00

01:04:25.000 Past the state, they point to Mecca when they pray. 1.00

01:04:28.000 There is a reason.

01:04:28.000 Because their loyalties are not with the state.

01:04:30.000 There's a reason there are 50 majority Muslim countries and they're not moving to them. 1.00

01:04:34.000 All right. 1.00

01:04:35.000 Next question.

01:04:37.000 We have Elizabeth.

01:04:38.000 Oh, hi, Danny.

01:04:40.000 Hi, Andrew.

01:04:41.000 Hi, Blake.

01:04:41.000 How are you today?

01:04:42.000 Hello.

01:04:44.000 Okay, so I thought I would try and do something that I think would be a fun question.

01:04:49.000 Socrates drank the hemlock.

01:04:51.000 Do you agree or disagree with what he did? 0.82

01:04:53.000 All right.

01:04:54.000 Ooh, that's a very fun question.

01:04:55.000 We haven't got one like that.

01:04:56.000 All right.

01:04:57.000 First of all, do you guys know what she's talking about?

01:05:00.000 Yes, we should give the audience an idea.

01:05:02.000 Okay, all right.

01:05:03.000 I'll explain it for Dan if you want.

01:05:04.000 I have explanations for it, definitely.

01:05:05.000 But for others, it's a great way to do it.

01:05:07.000 So, Socrates, of course, famous ancient Greek philosopher, probably, he's kind of the first famous philosopher in history in ancient Athens.

01:05:16.000 Charlie employed the Socratic method.

01:05:18.000 Yes, the Socratic method.

01:05:19.000 He's the name of the Socratic method, which is the idea of going back and forth asking questions to find clarity, drill down, find holes in an argument.

01:05:26.000 And they're called that because Plato, a student of Socrates, he wrote these dialogues where Socrates is usually the main character.

01:05:33.000 Plato's Republic, which a lot of you have heard of, that is a very long Socratic dialogue about government.

01:05:38.000 And so people will assert things like, this is how a government should be run.

01:05:41.000 And Socrates is kind of this annoying guy.

01:05:44.000 He starts asking questions that pick away at it.

01:05:46.000 And there are many of these dialogues.

01:05:48.000 But famously, what happened to Socrates in real life is he annoyed enough people in Athens with his questions that they put him on trial on charges of impiety.

01:05:58.000 He was asking questions about the gods of the city.

01:06:01.000 They accused him of corrupting the youth with his ideas and Possibly other things, they were Greek.

01:06:08.000 And they put him on trial.

01:06:09.000 He defended himself.

01:06:10.000 But notably, an aspect of it that's important is he could have probably saved himself if he had apologized or if he'd asked for mercy.

01:06:23.000 But in the dialogue, Plato's apology, which we think is likely an accurate version, roughly, of how he did defend himself, he basically just doesn't back down from his positions about what he believes.

01:06:36.000 And when they find him guilty and they are in the sentencing phase, he gets to propose what his penalty should be.

01:06:41.000 And he could have said, I think I should be exiled rather than killed.

01:06:45.000 And instead, he memorably proposes, I should be given free lunches from the city for life because I've helped you all think better.

01:06:52.000 The jury did not take kindly to that, so they were going to sentence him to basically, he either could be executed or he could drink the hemlock, a poisonous drink, and he could kill himself.

01:07:01.000 And I think he even had, I'm going off memory, I think he might have even had an opportunity to escape, but he declines to do this.

01:07:07.000 He thought this would not be morally becoming.

01:07:10.000 He would accept his fate for what he did.

01:07:13.000 Now, obviously, as Christians, we.

01:07:16.000 We don't approve of suicide generally, but I think there is generally a place for if it's like that, or if you're basically being ordered to do it, forced to do it, and maybe you have to do it to save other people, then there can be some marginal opportunities there.

01:07:31.000 Opportunities, not a good way, but like we're understanding of people who are forced to. 0.99

01:07:34.000 Well, obviously, this is pre Christian.

01:07:36.000 And he's also pre Christian. 0.88

01:07:37.000 He is not in a Christian world. 0.88

01:07:39.000 Christ had not come, he was not in the Jewish context.

01:07:42.000 And by the way, unlike the left, we don't judge historical figures and heroes based on.

01:07:46.000 Current understandings of moral principles, for example, like the left does with Thomas Jefferson and slavery, et cetera, et cetera.

01:07:53.000 You know, one of the most interesting things about Socrates, by the way, is in his dialogues, he speaks about that he kind of has a voice that speaks to him.

01:08:03.000 I think he calls it his demon.

01:08:04.000 And this is one of the reasons they accused him of heresy.

01:08:06.000 He basically claimed he had this private god talking to him all of the time.

01:08:11.000 And it's interesting to think about that because Socratic philosophy, Platonic philosophy, Had such a huge impact on Christianity.

01:08:19.000 If you read early Christian thinkers in the days of the Roman Empire in the 200s, the 300s, the 400s, a lot of them are channeling Greek philosophy.

01:08:29.000 They actually had this thought was Greek philosophy, was Platonic philosophy sort of enabled by God as a way for us to explain the Trinity, to explain the incarnation?

01:08:38.000 And there's a lot of people that believe that Alexander the Great, for example, who united so much of the known world at the time and created all the roads and the systems of roads, that that really enabled the spreading of the gospel.

01:08:49.000 It did.

01:08:49.000 So there's a lot of what the Greeks did that enabled the spread of Christianity.

01:08:53.000 The New Testament is written in Greek.

01:08:55.000 Why was everyone speaking Greek across the Near East?

01:08:57.000 Because of Alexander the Great, because of these Greek peoples.

01:09:01.000 What is the version of the New Testament that, or the version of the Old Testament that was used in ancient times?

01:09:07.000 It's still used by the Greek Orthodox Church when we had that Orthodox priest on.

01:09:11.000 They used the Septuagint, which was translated by a group of 70 rabbis at the command of a Greek ruler in Egypt.

01:09:19.000 And so it's interesting to think about all of those things with Socrates that.

01:09:22.000 There may have been a providential role, even in this person who's not in the Bible, who's not a biblical figure, and yet played such a pivotal role over the course of history on Christian thought, on the spread of Christianity around the world.

01:09:35.000 There was a reason that the Romans really admired the Greeks.

01:09:38.000 So it was like the Greeks were the apex of philosophical thought and order and those sorts of things.

01:09:46.000 And the Romans always felt like theirs was a cheap knockoff version of it, at least in historians tend to agree.

01:09:51.000 But that's a very interesting point.

01:09:53.000 Aspect of Roman culture, of how much they elevated Greek culture in their own.

01:09:56.000 Yeah.

01:09:57.000 And so Socrates, I think I would certainly support him standing fast for his principles to the point of death.

01:10:07.000 And we certainly know that Charlie would endorse that as well.

01:10:11.000 Charlie was pro bravery, Charlie was pro thought, Charlie was very pro Socratic method.

01:10:16.000 And so if you want to learn a lot, obviously you want to study the Bible, but another set of ancient texts, you can go very far studying.

01:10:23.000 You should read.

01:10:24.000 Plato's dialogues.

01:10:25.000 Yeah, give him a couple books to read.

01:10:27.000 Well, the one to start with, The Apology, is what it's called.

01:10:30.000 It's like apologetics.

01:10:32.000 That's where it comes from.

01:10:32.000 The Apology.

01:10:33.000 He's giving a defense of himself.

01:10:35.000 This is one of the most authentic Platonic dialogues, we think.

01:10:38.000 We think it may actually reflect what Socrates said, like they possibly wrote it down.

01:10:42.000 The Republic is a famous one.

01:10:44.000 The symposium.

01:10:45.000 There's a.

01:10:46.000 Is there any good, like, synopsis or modern books that kind of break it all down, make it easier to.

01:10:52.000 There probably are, although.

01:10:53.000 Come on, let's challenge people.

01:10:55.000 The Apology is not long.

01:10:56.000 You could read it in a not long amount of time.

01:10:58.000 Let's go read some Greek philosophy.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 08, 2026

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