The Charlie Kirk Show - Democrats' Secret, Embarrassing 2024 Autopsy + American Fables

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00:01:17.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:20.000 It is May 21st, 2026.

00:01:22.000 We're here at the Y Refi Studios live in Phoenix, Arizona.

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00:01:28.000 It looks like President Trump is conducting a press gaggle inside the Oval Office after signing an executive order.

00:01:36.000 Reducing regulations on refrigerant and other cooling that they claim is going to save American taxpayers $2.4 billion, which would be great.

00:01:45.000 We're going to continue on.

00:01:45.000 The big story of the news this morning, however, is that the DNC, led by DNC Chair Ken Martin, has released their long awaited secret autopsy report.

00:01:58.000 And boy, it's a doozy.

00:02:00.000 It's a lot of fun.

00:02:00.000 Doozy is the right word for it.

00:02:02.000 Yeah, I think Blake's least favorite headline that Republicans are probably guilty of falling into is.

00:02:08.000 Democrats in disarray because it can often be hope and hopium and cope.

00:02:13.000 But today it's really true.

00:02:15.000 And so we're going to just have a lot of fun diving into this autopsy report.

00:02:20.000 Now, of course, 2024, President Trump shellacked, in their own words, the Democrats.

00:02:27.000 They lost every single swing state, wasn't even close.

00:02:30.000 And they are trying to now do a postmortem, an autopsy on a dead body.

00:02:36.000 That's what you do with an autopsy, obviously.

00:02:38.000 And it looks like.

00:02:40.000 It's rife with errors, spelling errors, this sort of thing.

00:02:44.000 Now, if you go back in time, Ken Martin was refusing to release this autopsy report.

00:02:50.000 He claimed it was not ready for prime time.

00:02:53.000 So let's take you back memory lane and show you a clip of this, SOP 3.

00:02:57.000 And you've got this autopsy on the Democratic side that's never been made public on 2024 and everything that went wrong.

00:03:04.000 Will you ever release that autopsy?

00:03:08.000 We did hundreds of interviews with people to really get a sense of what happened.

00:03:13.000 And not only in 2024, but with the Democratic Party for the last 20 years.

00:03:17.000 And the point of that was to learn the lessons that can help inform the future election.

00:03:22.000 We have an authoritarian in the White House right now.

00:03:25.000 And what I've always said is, none of us have a time machine.

00:03:28.000 We can't go back and change the past.

00:03:30.000 And so trying to re litigate the 2024 election takes us away from actually our focus on 2026 and 2028.

00:03:39.000 So that's their whole shtick here, is that it was going to be distracting.

00:03:44.000 It was going to be a bad move for the party to look backwards.

00:03:49.000 They wanted to look to the future.

00:03:51.000 Ken Martin obviously spinning, spinning, spinning.

00:03:53.000 But what's also notable here is that this has been released without an executive summary.

00:03:58.000 There are annotations throughout that contradict the findings or say that there's no data to back it up.

00:04:03.000 And it doesn't go into a couple of key topics, namely how was Kamala Harris selected as the nominee without a primary?

00:04:12.000 How was Joe Biden's debate performance done?

00:04:15.000 And why did he ultimately drop out?

00:04:16.000 All of that is missing.

00:04:18.000 Yeah, I mean, what's very funny about it is it's kind of vindicated in not wanting to release it because it seems the biggest reason they didn't want to release it is it seems really bad.

00:04:27.000 In fact, they're releasing it.

00:04:28.000 With an apology.

00:04:30.000 So, Martin, he actually said this is a statement.

00:04:32.000 He has said, This does not meet my standards and it won't meet your standards, but I am doing this because people need to be able to trust the Democratic Party and trust our word.

00:04:43.000 And if you go through it, there's actually just clown show mistakes in this.

00:04:47.000 So, for example, they kind of do the report includes this extended history of American politics from 2008 when Obama got elected to the present.

00:04:57.000 And in the 2022 election, it goes on this digression about the Senate race in Georgia.

00:05:03.000 That was the Herschel Walker one, went to a runoff, and Herschel Walker lost.

00:05:07.000 And it says, it's bashing the Republican campaign here for some reason.

00:05:11.000 And it says, this was a blatant attempt by the Republican power base to take advantage of name recognition and a tough economy to push through an unqualified candidate whose job would have been little more than rubber stamping the president's agenda.

00:05:25.000 And CNN has a helpful annotation here.

00:05:27.000 In 2022, Joe Biden was president.

00:05:30.000 And there's mistakes like this throughout.

00:05:32.000 They'll just, it'll throw out these assertions and It's annotated.

00:05:36.000 There's no data to back this up.

00:05:38.000 This contradicts claims elsewhere in the report.

00:05:41.000 And when you dive into it, it seems that this report was done by Paul Rivera, a veteran Democrat strategist.

00:05:48.000 But apparently, he hadn't worked on a presidential campaign in at least 20 years, and he worked on this part time.

00:05:54.000 So, this was a lazy, half done job by a guy who's been out of the game.

00:06:00.000 And so, if you go through it, the report, it feels like an AI could have generated this.

00:06:04.000 Like, give me a plausible Democrat defeat.

00:06:07.000 Autopsy and you know, just throw in whatever.

00:06:10.000 Well, and it would have been done without the spelling errors, which is noteworthy.

00:06:14.000 Let's go ahead and play this.

00:06:15.000 Is a MS Now they're trying to break down the report as it's come out again.

00:06:19.000 It's only been out for a couple hours here.

00:06:20.000 CNN had to cajole and basically do some actual reporting here to get this.

00:06:26.000 They got the majority of the findings, so the DNC was sort of backed up against a wall, forced to release it, apologized for the way they handled it.

00:06:34.000 I mean, it's all the disarray is disarraying all over the place, and it's glorious to watch SOT 6.

00:06:41.000 They argue that the reduction in support and training for state parties has contributed to a shift in voter registration issues, organizing capacity for the state at the state level, and persistent problems with their candidates to listen to voters.

00:06:59.000 They also say that regaining trust and confidence in the party where voters have an affirmative reason to support Democrats will take a comprehensive strategy and considerable effort over multiple cycles.

00:07:09.000 So this is not some short-term change they're seeing here, saying that Democrats need to do it.

00:07:15.000 Right now, because the future could become even more difficult.

00:07:19.000 Okay, so let me sum that up for you.

00:07:21.000 According to the DNC's own disastrous after action report, this autopsy, they admit that they have pulled money from Obama era grassroots efforts and now they're paying for it at the ballot box.

00:07:34.000 They literally said lasting repercussions.

00:07:38.000 So I just want to compare and contrast.

00:07:39.000 Compare that to what we've been doing at Turning Point Action.

00:07:41.000 We literally went back to the 2008 literature from the Democrats.

00:07:47.000 We took their best practices that they've been building up over those years, this grassroots, low propensity voter outreach, turn out the vote.

00:07:55.000 We call it ballot chasing, attorney point action.

00:07:58.000 We rebuilt all of their systems and deployed them in states like Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan.

00:08:04.000 Now we're doing it in Nevada.

00:08:05.000 We're doing it in New Hampshire.

00:08:07.000 So we've been building up the infrastructure that they bailed on and they went full national apparatus and they stopped investing at the state level and their messaging was all over the place, right?

00:08:19.000 So they lost trust here and there.

00:08:21.000 This is what I was trying to tell people.

00:08:23.000 It's like, we looked at this report this morning, the team, and they're like, we know all this stuff already.

00:08:27.000 What's the big deal?

00:08:28.000 And I was like, you have to understand.

00:08:30.000 Democrats have an averse relationship with the truth.

00:08:33.000 They don't like it.

00:08:34.000 They like to spin.

00:08:35.000 They don't want to admit to their far left activist base, where they get all their energy from, that they have been basically sucked down a rabbit hole of far left social issues.

00:08:47.000 And one of the admissions in this report is that the they them ad worked really, really well from President Trump.

00:08:52.000 We knew that because Kamala Harris wanted to give prisoners sex change operations on the taxpayers' dime.

00:09:01.000 That's stuff we already knew.

00:09:02.000 But you got to understand, the left doesn't want to be honest with their own activist base.

00:09:07.000 And they don't want to be honest about where the money went because there's a lot in the report that says there was misallocation of funds.

00:09:12.000 But here's the thing to Blake's point, it's an awful report.

00:09:15.000 It's done poorly.

00:09:17.000 They can't even get their story straight when they're trying to lie. 0.98

00:09:21.000 And that's ultimately why Ken Martin didn't want to release this disaster, this flaming heap of garbage. 0.96

00:09:28.000 Anyways, Dems are in disarray. 0.89

00:09:30.000 All right, I want to keep going through some of these.

00:09:32.000 I found something, I decided to just check it.

00:09:34.000 Did you know we're in this report?

00:09:35.000 What?

00:09:36.000 We're in this report?

00:09:36.000 Oh, good.

00:09:37.000 So they're kind of complaining how Democrats need to change their engagement, their strategy.

00:09:43.000 And it basically goes the party, they're talking about Democrats, has to decide whether it will continue to rely on the tactic of dropping people into states as opposed to hiring locally.

00:09:52.000 It's easier and cheaper for some to develop and deploy seasonal talent, even if it puts Democrats in a situation where cycle after cycle, campaigns and parties have to find new people to go work the same turf.

00:10:03.000 Instead of teaching people, Within the community and funding and empowering them to organize their neighbors year round.

00:10:09.000 The Republicans do this differently.

00:10:11.000 Turning Point USA is not a seasonal churn and burn ecosystem.

00:10:15.000 They run programs around the calendar and across the nation.

00:10:19.000 And then they blast Coke funded entities, which, man, I feel like that's a blast from 2010.

00:10:25.000 That shows that this guy's not in the game.

00:10:26.000 Yeah.

00:10:27.000 Yeah.

00:10:27.000 But that's, hey, that's great.

00:10:28.000 We'll take it.

00:10:29.000 There is this brutal report in the.

00:10:34.000 In this autopsy.

00:10:36.000 And I just sent it to the team, so give them a second to get it up.

00:10:39.000 But if you look at it, so there's a lot of doom and gloom, okay?

00:10:46.000 There's a lot of people that are upset about this Massey stuff.

00:10:48.000 There's a lot of people upset about Iran, still have affordability issues.

00:10:54.000 You know, President Trump made a promise that has been often mocked, but he'll go back to it.

00:11:01.000 And that's that he said, you'll get so sick of winning that you'll not know what to do with it.

00:11:05.000 There'll be so much winning, you'll get sick of winning.

00:11:09.000 And oftentimes, when you're in the day to day, you don't feel that.

00:11:12.000 But when you zoom out, like the Democrats did, and you realize just how much they have lost politically since 2009, it becomes fairly awe inspiring.

00:11:25.000 What we've been able to accomplish by being innovative, by being pioneering, by being driven out of the mainstream institutions, mainstream media, and building our own ecosystems, shows like this, institutions like Turning Point.

00:11:38.000 We've accomplished a lot, and this graph is absolutely brutal if you're a Democrat.

00:11:43.000 So, if you go back to 2009, and I'm just taking this straight from their autopsy, they had a 60 40 advantage when it came to senators.

00:11:53.000 In Congress, they were 256 to 178.

00:11:58.000 Governors, they had 28 Democrat governors to 22 Republicans.

00:12:02.000 State legislators, they had 4,082 Dems to 3,223 Republicans.

00:12:10.000 And state trifectas, where they control the governorship and both houses.

00:12:14.000 I don't know if that would include the judicial branch in that.

00:12:17.000 Usually it means both houses of the state legislature and the governorship.

00:12:20.000 Yeah, the governors mentioned.

00:12:21.000 They had 17.

00:12:22.000 Republicans only had nine, and then 23 split.

00:12:25.000 And so fast forward to 2025.

00:12:28.000 We have a six seat advantage in the Senate.

00:12:32.000 So we have changed R plus 13 senators since 2009.

00:12:38.000 We have a five seat advantage in the House.

00:12:41.000 And that means since 2009, it's R plus 41 seats.

00:12:45.000 We have, when it comes to governors, we now have a three seat advantage, which means we've gone R plus five.

00:12:54.000 And just say we've gained 800, almost 1,000 state legislators in that time.

00:13:00.000 And then state trifectas were R plus 13, which is tremendous.

00:13:04.000 We went from 9 to 22, where we can control both houses and the governorship.

00:13:10.000 So that's R plus 13. 0.88

00:13:12.000 That is a massive improvement over the Obama wave. 0.71

00:13:17.000 And if you think back, Charlie was inspired to start Turning Point USA when he was a teen in Chicago watching the Obama mania sweep across his generation.

00:13:30.000 And that's the result of all of our efforts and all of our labors.

00:13:34.000 And President Trump, and this is the thing President Trump does stuff every day.

00:13:37.000 I mean, look, I'll give you guys a little insight here.

00:13:38.000 He does stuff every day that drives me nuts.

00:13:41.000 But I love the guy because he reinstilled the fighting spirit in the Republican base, in the activist base.

00:13:48.000 Part of this was the Tea Party movement.

00:13:50.000 We got to give some credit to the Ron Pauls and the Tea Party leaders of the time.

00:13:56.000 But President Trump took the baton and ran with it and fought back like we've never seen any conservative in modern American politics fight back, at least since Reagan.

00:14:05.000 And look at the fruit of our work.

00:14:07.000 Throw that graph up again.

00:14:08.000 Senators, R13, R13.

00:14:12.000 Congress, R41.

00:14:14.000 Governors, R55.

00:14:16.000 State legislators, R131.

00:14:20.000 State trifectas, R133.

00:14:22.000 Yeah, and some of that's, you know, it's even gone backwards, too.

00:14:25.000 I think we were peaking.

00:14:26.000 I think we had, you know, if there's 22 trifectas, I think we had 30 or 31 trifectas at the absolute peak.

00:14:33.000 Yeah, it got really high at some point.

00:14:33.000 Really?

00:14:36.000 Because we've lost a little ground in some of those in like Michigan, I don't think we have it anymore.

00:14:40.000 We don't have as many governors as we used to.

00:14:42.000 But yeah, it's such a different situation on the ground.

00:14:47.000 We've rebuilt so many state parties to be much more, they have more of a killer instinct.

00:14:53.000 They're much more combative.

00:14:55.000 And it's not even just that we control more offices.

00:14:58.000 I feel like we're so much better at getting Republicans at the state level to achieve things.

00:15:03.000 This redrawing the districts that we've been doing across the South and in Texas and in Florida.

00:15:09.000 That would not have happened 20 years ago.

00:15:12.000 Getting everyone lined up to pass things like we've got constitutional carry in so many states.

00:15:17.000 We're getting states to pass those education tax credits and vouchers.

00:15:22.000 And also a lot of great pro life legislation.

00:15:24.000 We're getting stuff done in politics that just the Republicans used to be these huge wimps who would not do these things.

00:15:31.000 They have learned to fight so much harder. 0.80

00:15:33.000 And of course, the transgenderism thing. 0.95

00:15:35.000 I think that's one of the best examples. 1.00

00:15:37.000 Every single social issue, basically going back to 1960, It was some slow frog boil to where the left would win.

00:15:44.000 And this is a case where they actually tried hard and they got smacked in the face and the public said no and they rolled it back.

00:15:52.000 Yeah, that's tremendous.

00:15:53.000 You're absolutely right.

00:15:54.000 I mean, you know, the old adage that Republicans are just Democrats five years, you know, back, we're just a little bit behind them.

00:16:01.000 That has changed.

00:16:03.000 You look at Matt Walsh, What is a Woman?

00:16:03.000 That has changed.

00:16:06.000 The taking down of the transgender insanity. 1.00

00:16:09.000 We haven't seen that. 1.00

00:16:11.000 That's new.

00:16:12.000 Have hope.

00:16:13.000 We can get things done.

00:16:14.000 You can just do things sometimes.

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00:17:32.000 Without further ado, we got Mitchell Brown, pollster and partner of political strategy at Signal.

00:17:37.000 Mitchell, welcome back to the show.

00:17:39.000 It's good to see you, my friend.

00:17:40.000 How have you been?

00:17:41.000 Been well.

00:17:42.000 You've been traveling around, doing polling for all of these campaigns all over the country.

00:17:42.000 How are you guys doing?

00:17:46.000 You're a busy man.

00:17:48.000 So, this autopsy report, I know you've been kind of going into it like all of us, diving into what are the findings.

00:17:56.000 Big picture, what's your initial take?

00:17:59.000 I mean, one, it's 18 months post.

00:18:02.000 Election.

00:18:03.000 They have an autopsy that's inconclusive, doesn't have a lot of actual findings there.

00:18:08.000 You didn't need 18 months to do this.

00:18:10.000 I could have given you this in two days.

00:18:12.000 There's been a lot of central elements of why they lost.

00:18:16.000 One of them is, again, just how the DNC is currently structured compared to the RNC.

00:18:21.000 DNC doesn't invest a lot anymore in their state operations.

00:18:25.000 And so it's this wide network of dark money that really isn't traceable, while the RNC has money in their coffers and is developing a ground game to get out the vote.

00:18:34.000 And to register voters.

00:18:35.000 So, on a serious and practical note, that is one thing there.

00:18:39.000 Secondary, again, it's pretty simple to boil down what their mistakes were.

00:18:45.000 One, I mean, I'm in Wisconsin right now.

00:18:46.000 I'm doing focus groups here, a state that, again, Trump carried in 24, carried in 16, despite Democrats thinking this one was in the bag.

00:18:56.000 Again, the main issue here was one that they didn't address and that the current administration, the Trump team, does need to get in front of now, and that was prices.

00:19:04.000 I'm hearing that again today.

00:19:05.000 The same thing that, again, caused a lot of these Rust Belt states.

00:19:08.000 To flip in 24, it was that issue of prices.

00:19:12.000 Secondary one was just how the Biden team was talking about that, and the whole DNC ad hoc they were basically yelling at people, No, actually, everything was great right now.

00:19:21.000 Your life's not more expensive, everything's going really, really well.

00:19:24.000 The numbers tell us so.

00:19:24.000 Don't worry about it.

00:19:26.000 But third, I mean, we had an entire party that wasn't willing to admit they had someone with cognitive decline sitting in the Oval Office until the whole world got to see it on a debate stage, and then post that instead of saying, Hey, we need to clean up our act.

00:19:41.000 Let's immediately get to a convention style process where people can have a vote.

00:19:46.000 No, we're going to throw that away.

00:19:46.000 They said, you know what?

00:19:48.000 We are Kingmaker.

00:19:49.000 Here is your selection. 1.00

00:19:50.000 A woman that no one really liked. 0.99

00:19:53.000 Yeah, that's pretty good analysis, I would say, Mitchell.

00:19:57.000 You know, you bring up this affordability crisis.

00:20:00.000 Like, I guess the first thought that came to mind now, I want to just state my beliefs, but then let's talk about the politics and the messaging of it now.

00:20:10.000 My belief is that, listen, we had gas prices pretty down, pretty far down, and then the Iran war happened.

00:20:18.000 That was a political and a policy choice that was made by the president.

00:20:21.000 There's going to be political costs to it, right?

00:20:23.000 Just from the price of the pump standpoint.

00:20:26.000 But you had nearly 30% of inflation over four years with Joe Biden, massive money printing.

00:20:32.000 It was a theft from the working class, absolutely made things more expensive.

00:20:38.000 Getting access to the American dream, buying a home, starting a family, all of these things, healthcare costs, education costs. 0.76

00:20:44.000 But these things don't happen and they don't turn on a dime.

00:20:47.000 They happen over time, they happen over multiple policies and decisions.

00:20:52.000 And we are still climbing out of what Biden did to us.

00:20:55.000 Now, I understand that when you are a low information voter, and I don't mean that as a pejorative, but you're working, you're raising your family, you're dealing with your everyday things, you're not looking at this as closely as we are on this show.

00:21:06.000 And your instinct is to just blame whoever's in power.

00:21:09.000 But there has been great strides made on slowing the rate of inflation.

00:21:14.000 It's down in the 3% as opposed to the 9%.

00:21:17.000 There has been great strides in affordability and rents.

00:21:20.000 Rents have come down.

00:21:22.000 But again, these things are like turning the Titanic, they're not going to happen overnight.

00:21:26.000 What are we at risk?

00:21:28.000 And so now let me get to my question.

00:21:29.000 Are we at risk of repeating the same mistake the Democrats made in 2024 by telling our voters everything's great?

00:21:37.000 You're living in the golden age and you're richer than ever.

00:21:41.000 Your thoughts?

00:21:42.000 I mean, this is a common refrain that I go through with most of our statewide campaigns right now you have to, one, lead with understanding.

00:21:42.000 Yeah.

00:21:51.000 Again, so whether these, again, the voters aren't going to, we're not here to explain macroeconomics or what inflation is.

00:21:58.000 Or these things, but it's a understanding.

00:21:59.000 I get it that things are still high, that there's work to be done.

00:22:03.000 Here are some of the reasons why it's still that high.

00:22:05.000 Here's what we're doing to address it.

00:22:06.000 So it's not ignoring the issue and saying, no, everything's fine.

00:22:09.000 It's, hey, there are some structural issues that we are addressing.

00:22:13.000 Here is a plan I understand and we are working for.

00:22:16.000 It's, again, people need to be heard.

00:22:18.000 Again, especially when you talk to even just young voters.

00:22:21.000 Again, that what we talked about of the, again, trying to actually start a family, own a home, these things, again, when The issue is, yes, we're having strong employment, but it's not really people that are excelling.

00:22:34.000 That younger group of people is not hitting that job quality and that salary intake to start a family and have a home.

00:22:39.000 They're seeing some of these lagging vectors there.

00:22:42.000 So when we're talking to these people, it's one understanding what's going on in their view.

00:22:47.000 Again, always talking about it from there.

00:22:49.000 Again, if you look back at it, someone who was great at this, again, Bill Clinton was a master of empathy, whether it was feigned or real empathy, is He always led with that.

00:23:00.000 And I think that's something that a lot of other people and a lot of Republicans need to understand for this election cycle to not be bashed over the head with that.

00:23:07.000 Because, yes, there were a few 60 40 social issues that helped Trump win one being immigration, one being anything involving children, transgender stuff, kids in sports.

00:23:18.000 Those two were pretty much 60 40 issues.

00:23:21.000 But other than that, these swing voters, again, it all came down to they thought their life was easier and cheaper in 2019 than it was in 24.

00:23:29.000 So, we need to, by election day, convince them that it's still better right now in 26 than it was right before the election in 24.

00:23:38.000 Yeah.

00:23:38.000 And you think about the Democrats that, you know, I've seen some of the fallout here, just their early reaction saying, hey, we've started to invest in state parties and we're messaging on affordability.

00:23:48.000 The problem is, is that obviously, you know, I'm a conservative.

00:23:52.000 Blake's a conservative.

00:23:52.000 I believe you're a conservative.

00:23:53.000 So it's like we know that their ideas simply don't work.

00:23:57.000 You know, you can promise free grocery stores, but somebody's paying for that.

00:24:01.000 And is it really going to make a dent in the problem?

00:24:04.000 You can promise rent control, but then you realize rent control ends up drying up.

00:24:09.000 Supply on the market and causing all other types of structural problems. 0.72

00:24:13.000 The way you unleash affordability is you increase competitiveness, you get rid of regulations, you let the free market do its thing, and then you stop flooding the market with illegals and millions of people that are sucking up housing supply.

00:24:26.000 You've got structural issues that affect health care, right?

00:24:30.000 Trump RX is in the most favored nation status.

00:24:34.000 These are things that will have a material impact on that.

00:24:36.000 The question is, what's the way to message it?

00:24:39.000 Because Democrats are going to message on affordability, but we know that their ideas.

00:24:43.000 Ultimately, make matters worse.

00:24:44.000 They proved that during the Obama year or the Biden years and in the Obama years.

00:24:48.000 So, how, like, the question is okay, yeah, we can relate to your pain, but how do we educate you that the solutions just because they're mentioning the magic word affordability doesn't mean they've got any ideas that are actually going to address it?

00:25:00.000 Yeah, I think it's twofold.

00:25:01.000 There's one, you also have the problem set that Donald Trump is not on the ballot.

00:25:05.000 And so, there is a whole group of people who can even skip a lot of midterm elections that are Trump voters.

00:25:11.000 They're, again, a unique, younger working class man, especially like in Wisconsin where I am now.

00:25:16.000 So, that group of people.

00:25:17.000 You have to have the challenge of not just persuading them and showing them what you're doing to help them, but even getting that group to the ballot box.

00:25:24.000 And that's where other Republicans have always struggled compared to Trump, not having him in the ballot, one thing there.

00:25:29.000 But other people, it's finding individual audiences.

00:25:32.000 Okay, for all, say, if you're running a Senate race here in Wisconsin or gubernatorial in Michigan, you have to understand, okay, what group of people is responding to health care?

00:25:41.000 That's where they're feeling the most grunt.

00:25:44.000 Yes, exactly.

00:25:45.000 So, okay, the Trump Rx message, okay, that has to be played to this audience.

00:25:49.000 That's who they need to hear this because maybe they aren't aware of it or they haven't seen it where it is.

00:25:53.000 It's meeting people where they are and addressing it on a localized level.

00:25:56.000 Again, without Trump on the top of the ticket, localizing these elections, making it about their state and affordability that way is a much better option.

00:26:04.000 So we mentioned gas prices for Moran, but another driver of affordability issues is the impact of tariffs.

00:26:10.000 President Trump obviously has a plan there, but it does raise prices at least in the short term.

00:26:17.000 How does that play into things?

00:26:19.000 Would.

00:26:20.000 Any adjustment to tariff policy possibly creates that short term shift?

00:26:24.000 That is what we're looking at.

00:26:25.000 And how are tariffs playing out in the field?

00:26:28.000 Like, what do people think?

00:26:29.000 A few states, it's troublesome.

00:26:32.000 Iowa, again, I do a lot of work in Iowa.

00:26:34.000 And past 14 months, every time you're there, those targeted ads are about what tariffs are doing to farmers and what they're doing to people in Iowa.

00:26:42.000 And so, Iowa, again, there's going to be a swing state this year.

00:26:45.000 Again, look at this.

00:26:46.000 There's a very tough gubernatorial election there and a Senate race that's going to be much closer than it probably should be.

00:26:52.000 That state that's playing here.

00:26:54.000 And Wisconsin's also playing.

00:26:55.000 But again, these states that are, again, have been traditionally Trumpian voters who felt like they were fighting for him have felt some of this brunt at home now.

00:27:04.000 And without that quick adjustment before the midterm, that is going to be something that every other Republican has to defend.

00:27:11.000 And how they word that defense is going to be a challenge.

00:27:14.000 Mitchell, I know that we've talked about this in the past.

00:27:17.000 And I will tell you, you know, Charlie was even worried about the state of young voters, saw what was kind of the writing on the wall with.

00:27:24.000 Midnight Hammer saw it with Epstein.

00:27:27.000 You know, how big is the Iranian war playing into everything, and how big is Epstein playing into everything?

00:27:34.000 Obviously, that became front and center this week with Thomas Massey's race in Kentucky's fourth.

00:27:40.000 But more broadly, how is that playing?

00:27:43.000 Yeah, I mean, I think the Epstein one is more that's just a kind of a phase and a current thing.

00:27:48.000 But structurally, like the Iran war is a large component of the Trumpian audience.

00:27:53.000 It was people who were more restrictionist.

00:27:56.000 And I, an army vet, like most of my veteran friends, are anti Iran war.

00:28:02.000 They're anti getting into more conflict in the Middle East, similar to. 0.70

00:28:06.000 Charlie and while so many of my former army buddies found Charlie, I was talking like that.

00:28:11.000 That's where you see the massive generational divide. 0.59

00:28:14.000 And another telling thing from that Massey race is if you look at the age breaks in that vote there to where it is the boomers that's ousted Thomas Massey.

00:28:24.000 It was no young voters.

00:28:26.000 Again, he won every voter or every voting group he won a majority of under the age of 55, or sorry, under the age of 65.

00:28:33.000 Every group over there is where Galerina overperformed. 0.53

00:28:38.000 And that's not unique to Kentucky.

00:28:39.000 That is pretty much everywhere to where, when things are harder for young people at home, they become even more restrictionist on their views abroad.

00:28:48.000 And so, when these young people who came wanting something different and were told actually, no, we're going to do that, that group has repelled on that idea.

00:28:57.000 So, again, a quick wrap to this conflict is key.

00:29:02.000 It can't be another point on there.

00:29:04.000 We can't, if we already have to go out and do the work of persuading, On the economy and inflation, we can't sit there and have to defend more conflict.

00:29:15.000 Yeah, I mean, that becomes a problem, right?

00:29:18.000 Because we've often said on the show, you can always choose when to start a war, you can't necessarily choose when to end it.

00:29:25.000 And it sounds like some of the reporting that President Trump has had some stern conversations with Bibi Netanyahu out of Israel, basically telling him this is how it's going to be.

00:29:36.000 I think President Trump, his political instincts are probably kicking in and He's looking for an immediate get out of Iran card, right? 0.89

00:29:47.000 It feels like you can feel that momentum building, which I would be in support of candidly. 0.73

00:29:53.000 I think there was an argument to be made that this was the right geopolitical and national security decision, and it might have just been one of those things where politically it's going to have an impact.

00:30:03.000 And when we talk about that race in Kentucky's Fort, though, and you talk about the 65 and over, Galran won that group, but he lost every other group.

00:30:14.000 How much did they punch above their weight class?

00:30:16.000 Did they out-index turnout rates between Gen Z and the over 65?

00:30:24.000 Yeah.

00:30:24.000 So, I mean, naturally, when you're sitting in a Republican primary audience, it's much older and much whiter, much more male.

00:30:30.000 So, when you're sitting there, okay, that's already a larger chunk of the audience there.

00:30:35.000 They performed slightly higher and a slight underperformance.

00:30:40.000 So, Massey overall did better.

00:30:42.000 I'm talking about in relation to where those groups should be, not overall turnout amongst those groups.

00:30:47.000 But percentage based on how much, what percent over 65 compared to what percent under 65.

00:30:52.000 It was, again, about a 10% overperformance of older voters being there compared to the younger voters.

00:30:59.000 Fascinating.

00:30:59.000 Blake, you got anything?

00:31:01.000 I just.

00:31:02.000 So we're saying the president's instincts are kicking in.

00:31:05.000 He does have extremely strong political instincts.

00:31:08.000 That's why he could essentially wing it in 2016, win the nomination, win the presidency.

00:31:13.000 He's always been going.

00:31:14.000 He's a good man.

00:31:15.000 He's great at marketing.

00:31:16.000 He's great at.

00:31:17.000 The sense of how things will play out. 1.00

00:31:19.000 And so that's why we say he seems to be trying to wind down the Iran thing now because I think he senses that it could be very destructive. 0.98

00:31:27.000 But how quickly does the public adjust on something like that? 0.74

00:31:32.000 Because what we've talked about with the Iran war is there's the effect of the price at the pump, there's the effect of economic stuff.

00:31:39.000 But how much of a role does the bigger sense we know from a lot of young voters, swing voters, that they just feel let down by the fact that the war happened because they thought that was just not going to happen?

00:31:52.000 No new wars.

00:31:53.000 Yeah, no new wars and so forth.

00:31:54.000 Do they get over that relatively quickly?

00:31:57.000 Is that something they can move beyond, or is that more likely to be sticky?

00:32:01.000 Yeah.

00:32:01.000 Well, the point that you make again, Donald Trump has a great political intuition.

00:32:06.000 It's The kind of double edged sword here to where he is not running right now.

00:32:10.000 So it's great that he can go out and say these things, but it's still, end of the day, it's if you're running in Georgia, if you're running in North Carolina, you're running in Arizona, you, the candidate, have to answer that.

00:32:19.000 And again, Trump's allure and why he's always been so successful is he can hit an audience and talk to people in a way most other Republicans can't.

00:32:28.000 And so without that, that's where it gets harder it's going to take a much larger effort from outside groups like Turning Point, like TP Action, like the White House political team.

00:32:39.000 Moving over and getting out there and doing everything they can to help these candidates in those seats.

00:32:44.000 Because again, we can go out and do that and explain and persuade, but we need to get on it.

00:32:50.000 We can't just be, hey, we're leaving these senators out to defend themselves.

00:32:53.000 All right, let's go round robin here and tell us how you like our chances here, Mitchell, because it does feel like there's been a bit of a momentum shift.

00:33:03.000 We were kind of in the doldrums and we've gotten our groove back a little bit after Indiana, after the VRA, et cetera, et cetera.

00:33:08.000 Okay.

00:33:10.000 Let's go to Georgia.

00:33:13.000 Mike Collins, does he have a shot to knock off Asaf? 1.00

00:33:16.000 No, that's probably the toughest one, uphill battle.

00:33:19.000 I think we're much better suited, obviously, to keep the gubernatorial house there, but that's going to be a tough seat because of Asaf's cash.

00:33:27.000 Okay.

00:33:29.000 Mike Rogers, Michigan.

00:33:30.000 Mike Rogers, I would put us slightly above Collins in the chance to flip that seat.

00:33:38.000 Okay.

00:33:39.000 What do we think about keeping the house?

00:33:42.000 Keeping the house, again, obviously, we kind of left four more seats on the table.

00:33:46.000 By not having Alabama, Mississippi, and South Carolina draw there, and we'll see how Louisiana finals out.

00:33:53.000 I think with that change there, we're looking at most likely it's going to be within three this time.

00:34:02.000 So again, it's hard to fully say, but I think we probably lose the House by one or two if I had to go bet on this today.

00:34:12.000 And again, the issue though, when we're talking about all these other Senate races, guys, is that.

00:34:17.000 We were virtually seeing a map where we have North Carolina, Georgia, Michigan, maybe one or two defendants, but now we have to spend in Alaska, Maine, Iowa, Ohio, and Texas in addition that are going to be actual battles that people can't overlook.

00:34:32.000 So the fundraising, yes, it's been great.

00:34:34.000 We need to fundraise more and we need to start in all of those.

00:34:37.000 We can't take any of those seats for granted.

00:34:41.000 Senate.

00:34:42.000 Senate, I think we end up holding probably lose one to two seats overall, but still have the majority.

00:34:48.000 Listen, I don't disagree with many of your takes, except for Georgia.

00:34:52.000 I think some more structural changes have happened on the voting integrity side that are going to give us a little bit more of a benefit than we predict.

00:35:01.000 That's my prediction.

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00:36:53.000 There is a massive press conference happening in.

00:36:58.000 Minnesota, they are nailing the state of Minnesota for fraud right now.

00:37:05.000 Remember when the Nick Shirley stuff started to come out?

00:37:07.000 I remember before that.

00:37:08.000 And people saying, nothing will come of this.

00:37:10.000 This is all just going to be slop.

00:37:12.000 Nothing will happen.

00:37:13.000 And before that as well, yeah.

00:37:14.000 No, I mean, so I remember when we had, I always forget his name, Ryan.

00:37:19.000 Oh, man.

00:37:20.000 We were early on this.

00:37:21.000 Thorpe.

00:37:23.000 City Journal came out with some initial reporting on it, which is, I think, partly what inspired Nick Shirley to go to Minnesota.

00:37:29.000 Now, we didn't realize Nick's.

00:37:31.000 You know, the whole investigation was going to go so viral.

00:37:34.000 But here's what's happening the DOJ is doing a big press conference right now talking about the first round of indictments against the fraudsters.

00:37:45.000 Go ahead and play SOT 9.

00:37:47.000 Today, we are announcing criminal charges against 15 defendants in Minnesota for fraud schemes that targeted over $90 million in taxpayer dollars.

00:37:58.000 The fraud here in Minnesota is shocking.

00:38:03.000 Our cases today involve seven different state managed Medicaid programs that have been systematically pilfered by fraudsters who treated Minnesota run programs as their personal piggy bank.

00:38:19.000 Pilfered as their personal piggy bank.

00:38:22.000 That's a strong word from that is Assistant Attorney General Colin McDonald, who is in charge of the Fraud Division now, the Anti Fraud Task Force, which the Which President Trump has propped up.

00:38:36.000 Obviously, it's being chaired by JD Vance.

00:38:39.000 And it looks like also FTC chairman, who we had on the show, Andrew Ferguson.

00:38:45.000 So that is just one of those big storylines that's happening.

00:38:51.000 Representative Ilhan Omar has been asked about her ties to some of this fraud.

00:38:57.000 This just happens.

00:38:58.000 SOT 11.

00:38:59.000 Did you ask Minnesota Democrats to block the subpoena for the investigation of Feeding Our Future on the state level?

00:39:08.000 It's not like.

00:39:11.000 House Republicans are considering investigating Feeding Our Future now.

00:39:18.000 Your role in it, would you cooperate with that subpoena and provide documents if they request it here in the House Oversight Committee?

00:39:33.000 Welcome to Washington.

00:39:35.000 That's exactly what happens in the hallways and the byways and the steps.

00:39:39.000 They get asked difficult questions that they don't want to answer, and so they just bypass them altogether.

00:39:44.000 She's got no good answers for it because Ilhan Omar is legitimately a scourge on our Congress.

00:39:49.000 That's exactly right.

00:39:51.000 She is a disgrace to the city of Washington, D.C., and to the American people. 1.00

00:39:56.000 She probably engaged in immigration fraud, she's engaged in some other issues that are causing her complaints. 0.99

00:40:04.000 With the ethics complaints within the House.

00:40:08.000 So Ilhan Omar has got, I think, some bad things in her future.

00:40:12.000 She's going to be continued to be investigated.

00:40:14.000 To help us break this down, we've got Mike Davis, the Article 3 Project, joining us now.

00:40:18.000 Mike, welcome back to the show, my friend.

00:40:21.000 Big news out of Minnesota with the fraud case.

00:40:25.000 This is the first series of indictments brought by the DOJ.

00:40:30.000 We were told nothing was going to happen.

00:40:32.000 You are a.

00:40:34.000 We're all cynical, Mike.

00:40:35.000 You are an insider with this world.

00:40:37.000 You know, a lot of these people behind the scenes.

00:40:41.000 Is more stuff going to continue happening?

00:40:43.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:40:45.000 This combating this fraud is a top priority of President Trump.

00:40:50.000 He's tasked his vice president to lead the effort, along with Andrew Ferguson, my friend, who is the FTC chairman.

00:40:58.000 We have Colin McDonald at the Justice Department, who's leading the National Fraud Division, the new National Fraud Division.

00:41:06.000 Division Todd Blanch, the acting attorney general, is fully behind this.

00:41:09.000 Kash Patel, this is a whole of government approach.

00:41:13.000 You saw Bobby Kennedy, uh, the HHS sec, or excuse me, uh, the Secretary Kennedy from HHS, uh, at this press conference today, along with Dr. Oz, the Medicare and Medicaid CMS administrator.

00:41:30.000 They're taking this extraordinarily seriously in the Trump administration.

00:41:37.000 This is, as they said at this press conference.

00:41:40.000 Today, this is just the beginning of these indictments.

00:41:44.000 There are many more indictments coming.

00:41:46.000 I think it was like $90 million in fraud that they brought indictments for today.

00:41:53.000 There is so much fraud across the government, particularly in these Democrat states and in Minnesota. 0.87

00:42:01.000 It was these Somali pirates who were looting the Minnesota Medicare and Medicaid systems. 1.00

00:42:09.000 It seems pretty obvious. 1.00

00:42:10.000 That the governor Tim Waltz and his team were at a minimum turning a blind eye and reckless in this.

00:42:19.000 So maybe you should see investigations into these Democrat politicians who allowed this fraud to happen.

00:42:26.000 Uh, Ilhan Omar, as you guys were talking about, this if you are a Somali pirate in Minnesota who defrauded the government, you're gonna have a very rough next three years.

00:42:38.000 Yeah, you nailed the you put the nail, whatever, whatever the expression is.

00:42:41.000 I'm losing it right now.

00:42:43.000 Uh, but you hit the nail on the head there, Mike.

00:42:45.000 And I think, you know, I did an op ed actually came out this morning on JD Vance and Ferguson, their leadership in this anti fraud task force, and how refreshing it is.

00:42:56.000 They are our instrument of justice. 0.99

00:42:58.000 The American taxpayers are sick of getting fleeced by Somali pirates, other foreigners, but they're also sick of the politicians who enable it. 1.00

00:43:08.000 And again, I say this with caution, Mike, because I know you have to have some discretion here. 1.00

00:43:15.000 But are we going to see justice for the politicians that enable this?

00:43:18.000 Because I truly believe that fraud is not a bug, it is a feature.

00:43:24.000 And this is all designed to sort of enrich and empower constituencies that vote Democrat.

00:43:32.000 And we want to see actual leaders get indicted here.

00:43:38.000 Let's just ask this question How does Nick Shirley, a young, bold, and fearless reporter with a camera, go into Minnesota and find and expose this fraud, but the governor of Minnesota doesn't know what's happening right under his nose?

00:43:58.000 It's just not believable that Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz did not, at a minimum, know about this widespread fraud among the Somali community, the Somali pirates. 0.67

00:44:12.000 And the reason he would turn a blind eye is obvious. 0.99

00:44:16.000 He wants their support, he wants their political support, he wants their votes, he wants their political donations.

00:44:23.000 I think the FBI, the Justice Department, the inspectors, General at HHS, CMS, all these government programs, they need to open investigations on these Democrat politicians.

00:44:37.000 Just real quick, some breaking here.

00:44:40.000 The Feeding Our Futures mastermind has just been sent in SOT 13.

00:44:45.000 Breaking news a Minnesota judge has just sentenced the mastermind behind the Feeding Our Future fraud scheme, Amy Bach.

00:44:54.000 She just got more than 41 years in prison.

00:44:57.000 The scheme involved the theft of nearly $250 million in COVID funding.

00:45:02.000 That money was meant to feed hungry children.

00:45:06.000 41.5.

00:45:07.000 That's good.

00:45:09.000 I mean, I was thinking it was going to be 4.1 years.

00:45:13.000 That's 41 years.

00:45:15.000 We need stuff like that for a lot of the others, too.

00:45:17.000 Yeah, we do.

00:45:18.000 All right.

00:45:18.000 I got to play one more clip here because they're just too good.

00:45:22.000 I mean, they're insulting, Mike, but I'm just so happy, overjoyed to see them actually taking action because, again, so much cynicism has set in.

00:45:32.000 You know, We're used to the vice president getting a policy, you know, something in his portfolio, and just sitting on it.

00:45:40.000 It's just a lot of grand speeches, no action.

00:45:42.000 You might remember Kamala Harris' Borders Are comes to mind.

00:45:46.000 Not this time.

00:45:47.000 They're speaking frankly, they're taking direct action.

00:45:50.000 SOP 14.

00:45:51.000 Today's charges are unprecedented.

00:45:54.000 They include the highest loss amount ever charged in a Medicaid case.

00:45:59.000 The common theme throughout these cases is fraudsters exploiting vulnerable programs and vulnerable people.

00:46:07.000 To enrich themselves, no matter the consequences to the programs or to the people.

00:46:12.000 Two defendants have been charged in an over $22 million fraud scheme involving the individualized home supports program.

00:46:21.000 These disabled individuals were used like lottery tickets by these defendants to generate millions of dollars, which these defendants used to expand their real estate holdings, purchase luxury vehicles, and splurge on expensive jewelry.

00:46:37.000 And the Democrats let it happen.

00:46:39.000 And I'm sure some Republican politicians did as well.

00:46:42.000 I know there's investigations in Ohio as well right now.

00:46:46.000 Check this out, Mike.

00:46:46.000 Since April 1st, the DOJ's fraud division has announced over 450 fraud enforcement actions nationwide, representing tens of billions of taxpayer dollars.

00:46:58.000 Yeah, the Democrat Party is the party of, well, first of all, they're the assassination party, as we all know.

00:47:04.000 And they're also the party of fraud.

00:47:06.000 And what they do is they let their lowlife. 1.00

00:47:09.000 Constituents like these Somali pirates come in illegally, get on our public dole and siphon off the public dole, commit massive fraud, and then get rewarded with birthright citizenship, get rewarded with these government grants, this lavish lifestyle. 1.00

00:47:30.000 I am so pleased that President Trump and his team, Vice President JD Vance, Andrew Ferguson, Todd Blanch, Colin McDonald, Kash Patel, Dr. Oz, Secretary RFK Jr., this is an all star team, and they're going after this fraud. 1.00

00:47:47.000 They're going to put these scumbags in jail and wait till we start doing asset forfeiture. 0.91

00:47:52.000 When we start going after these Somali pirates' mansions and sports cars and bank accounts, this is just the beginning. 0.99

00:48:02.000 And this is not going to just happen with the Somali pirates in Minnesota or the Somali pirates in Ohio. 0.85

00:48:10.000 This is going to be a nationwide effort.

00:48:13.000 So the California, New York, justice is coming for you guys. 0.97

00:48:19.000 And it's not just the people who committed the fraud, the scumbag low lives who committed the fraud. 0.98

00:48:24.000 It's the politicians. 0.99

00:48:25.000 We need to remember this.

00:48:26.000 And Dr. Oz talked about this at this press conference today.

00:48:30.000 Remember, they are looting Medicare and Medicaid.

00:48:34.000 These are the programs for the most vulnerable Americans seniors, the disabled. 1.00

00:48:41.000 And these scumbag Somalis are taking this money. 1.00

00:48:44.000 It's criminal and it's evil. 1.00

00:48:45.000 I completely agree. 0.97

00:48:46.000 You got to remember who's getting screwed here. 0.80

00:48:49.000 You mentioned birthright citizenship. 0.93

00:48:51.000 The president was asked about this.

00:48:52.000 You and I were texting about this this morning because there were some Supreme Court decisions that were released.

00:48:57.000 We were sort of wondering, you know, would they surprise us with the birthright decision?

00:49:02.000 SOT 12.

00:49:03.000 Birthright citizenship.

00:49:05.000 And we're the only country in the world that has it.

00:49:08.000 You step into our country and you're all of a sudden a citizen.

00:49:11.000 You come in a certain way. 1.00

00:49:12.000 This was not meant for Chinese billionaires to have their children become citizens of our country. 1.00

00:49:20.000 If this is allowed to stand, it will be a disaster economically for our country, and you'll have 25% of the people coming into our country coming in through birthright citizenship, and we won't have any control. 0.96

00:49:35.000 This decision by the Supreme Court is a very big one.

00:49:39.000 And, Mike, I hate to be the bearer of bad news here, but I asked your opinion, and I guess you can be the bearer of bad news.

00:49:45.000 I said, What's going to happen, Mike?

00:49:47.000 What are you hearing?

00:49:48.000 Look, if the Supreme Court actually has the courage.

00:49:52.000 To follow the law, which they should if you have lifetime tenure and pay protection.

00:49:56.000 That's kind of our constitutional scheme.

00:49:58.000 This is such an easy question.

00:50:00.000 We did not fight a civil war and grant birthright citizenship to Chinese birth tourists, 1.5 million Chinese birth tourists to come here, have their kids, go back to Beijing and become American citizens and mail in their votes from Beijing.

00:50:16.000 That's not why we fought a civil war.

00:50:19.000 The Supreme Court justices know that.

00:50:21.000 They know that subject to the jurisdiction, In the 14th Amendment means people who were born here with loyalty to the United States, like the freed black slaves. 0.84

00:50:32.000 And so this should be an easy case.

00:50:34.000 Unfortunately, it won't.

00:50:36.000 You said if they have the courage.

00:50:38.000 They don't.

00:50:39.000 They don't have the courage.

00:50:40.000 And that's going to be obvious at the end of June when this comes out.

00:50:44.000 They're going to come up with some, they're probably going to say that a 1940 statute is what gives birthright citizenship to Chinese birth tourists and other illegal aliens.

00:50:56.000 It's their way of trying to weasel out of this, their cowardly way to try to weasel out of this.

00:51:01.000 Because I'll say this, we the people, as the sovereign citizens of America, are most crucial sovereign powers to control who comes and goes and who becomes one of us.

00:51:11.000 And we never gave that away. 0.65

00:51:13.000 We never gave that away to Chinese birth tourists.

00:51:15.000 We didn't give it away after the Civil War with the 14th Amendment.

00:51:18.000 We didn't give it away to any Congress subsequent to that, including that 1940 law.

00:51:23.000 But these Supreme Court justices are not going to have the courage to follow the law.

00:51:28.000 And they're going to say that Chinese birth tourists.

00:51:31.000 Uh, have birthright citizenship under this 1940 statute.

00:51:35.000 Is there another way out if we get stuck with this?

00:51:38.000 If they rule against this, what's the alternative? 0.53

00:51:41.000 The other way out, apparently, Congress is going to have to amend that statute to make clear we didn't give birthright citizenship to Chinese birth tours, which is not easy to do.

00:51:50.000 You need 60 votes in the Senate, and then it goes back up to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court's going to have to decide if the 14th Amendment gives birthright citizenship. 0.88

00:52:02.000 To Chinese birth tours. 0.99

00:52:03.000 This is just cowardice on their part. 1.00

00:52:06.000 I see it coming.

00:52:08.000 I know these justices.

00:52:08.000 I work there.

00:52:10.000 I know it's coming.

00:52:11.000 Article 3 Project.

00:52:13.000 Mike Davis, great work.

00:52:14.000 We'll see you soon.

00:52:14.000 Thank you, my friend.

00:52:16.000 Thank you.

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00:54:04.000 I'm very excited about this conversation because this book is just flying off the shelves right now.

00:54:09.000 And it's by Dr. Meehan.

00:54:11.000 Dr. Matthew Meehan, he's in studio here, right to my left here.

00:54:14.000 And he's got one of the most beautiful books that I've seen.

00:54:19.000 It's a nice one you put on a table.

00:54:21.000 Yeah, it's an absolute coffee table book if you want it.

00:54:25.000 The American Book of Fables.

00:54:28.000 Dr. Matthew Meehan, you are the Associate Dean and Assistant Professor of Government at Hillsdale College, D.C.

00:54:34.000 And now you're also the author of The American Book of Fables.

00:54:37.000 And apparently you are on track to be a New York Times bestseller, so we want to help.

00:54:41.000 Do our part here to make sure that happens.

00:54:43.000 So get your copy today.

00:54:44.000 Welcome to the show, Doctor.

00:54:46.000 Thanks for having me.

00:54:47.000 Congratulations on the book.

00:54:49.000 I mean, something of this scale and scope is such a process.

00:54:55.000 You've got, you traveled the country.

00:54:58.000 I love it that the front is kind of homage to the Southwest.

00:55:01.000 So we're here in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:55:03.000 So this looks like maybe Utah, actually, potentially.

00:55:06.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:55:07.000 Well, what is this book, the American Book of Fables?

00:55:11.000 It's basically a journey through the country with a madcap group of characters, Hugh Manatee and his friends.

00:55:18.000 Hugh the Manatee?

00:55:19.000 His friends.

00:55:20.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:55:21.000 They go around the whole country on a mission.

00:55:23.000 That's a long story.

00:55:24.000 But it's a book for the whole family.

00:55:26.000 And yes, I wanted.

00:55:28.000 For A250, I'm sort of a go big or go home.

00:55:31.000 So, this is a 395 page hardback heirloom coffee table with tons of illustrations.

00:55:36.000 There's hundreds of pen and inks, oils, and watercolors from a beautiful and brilliant illustrator, my dear friend.

00:55:42.000 And this is our third book together.

00:55:45.000 But it has a section for littles, which has nursery rhymes from the founding period all the way up to today.

00:55:50.000 I wrote some new ones for the A250 and for the themes of the book.

00:55:55.000 Then it has, for middles, fables.

00:55:58.000 That are Aesop like, but they've been adapted instead of the lion and the tiger.

00:56:02.000 Now you have the bald eagle, the buffalo, and the beaver.

00:56:05.000 And then there's also a section for bigs with primary sources from founding fathers and from brave settlers and their memoirs and their struggles and the Indian Wars and all kinds of cool stories about the heroism of the American people who settled the country.

00:56:19.000 And then each of those chapters, there's 13 chapters in honor of the 13 colonies, they go from the Everglades to Yellowstone to the desert west, they go up to end at Glacier, West Coast, et cetera.

00:56:32.000 But each chapter has these littles, mills, and bigs keyed to the region and then keyed to the Declaration of Independence.

00:56:39.000 So each chapter takes a sentence or a phrase from the Declaration, and then those nursery rhymes, fables, and stories help to explain the Declaration and the American way of life.

00:56:50.000 So, can you either read it or a quick summary?

00:56:53.000 What's one of the new fables you came up with that relates to America?

00:56:58.000 So, I have one about two California seals, brothers and sisters.

00:57:02.000 And the starfish.

00:57:03.000 In fact, I think I can show, I can find it here.

00:57:05.000 Oh, are these the original paintings?

00:57:07.000 These are the watercolors.

00:57:09.000 The huge ones are three by five foot oils, but I couldn't bring those with me on a plane.

00:57:15.000 That's amazing.

00:57:16.000 If you can zoom in.

00:57:17.000 I mean, these are beautiful illustrations, well, paintings.

00:57:21.000 And they're throughout the book.

00:57:23.000 The book, like when you flip through it page by page, it's genuinely beautiful to look at.

00:57:28.000 The layout is beautiful, the pages are big and beautiful.

00:57:32.000 Yeah.

00:57:33.000 Big, beautiful book.

00:57:35.000 I'm just not used to beautiful books.

00:57:37.000 Usually, you know, you got paperbacks.

00:57:38.000 It's even huge.

00:57:39.000 It's huge, yes.

00:57:40.000 One huge, big, beautiful book.

00:57:42.000 Tell the president about that one.

00:57:43.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:44.000 Well, you're going to compete with.

00:57:45.000 He's got some coffee table books there, too.

00:57:47.000 That's right.

00:57:48.000 So, you know, it occurs to me, you know, we are in America 250.

00:57:54.000 There is this crisis of patriotism, especially with younger Americans.

00:57:58.000 So, for our audience out there, and I do want to Blake's earlier question, I would love to have you read something, but.

00:58:06.000 How do you raise young people that are patriotic, that love America, that get it?

00:58:11.000 What's your advice for them?

00:58:13.000 So I think you have to do patriotism just candidly and straightforwardly.

00:58:18.000 The kids need to learn the Pledge of Allegiance.

00:58:20.000 They need to go and stop at the roadside historical marker and just read and see men shed blood here for your liberty during the Revolutionary War or during the Civil War.

00:58:31.000 A little easier to do out east.

00:58:34.000 Well, but actually, when I go out west, I tell a lot of the local stories.

00:58:38.000 The settlement is the way when you're in a Western state, the struggles, the sorrows, the sacrifices, and the beauty and bravery of settling the country that is a local story, and those historical markers are part of patriotism.

00:58:54.000 We think of patriotism as fife and drum, revolutionary war, and just the founding fathers.

00:58:58.000 But the full virtue of patriotism, which anchors you back into that founding, is everyone of your fellow citizens who came before you who gave you those goods.

00:59:09.000 So I think you have to sort of.

00:59:11.000 You know, think it through in that way.

00:59:13.000 Like, I, this sounds ridiculous, but a father, you take a cold glass of water on a hot day and you give it to a kid and you go, think of all the people who sacrificed to build all the dams and dikes up into the mountains above Phoenix, right?

00:59:25.000 So you have clean water.

00:59:26.000 Like, that's part of patriotism, too.

00:59:28.000 And then I think religion is another virtue, right?

00:59:32.000 Thank, being thankful to God for what he's given you.

00:59:34.000 And then piety, being thankful to your parents and grandparents for what they gave you.

00:59:38.000 And so those three virtues together are like the three legged stool and they support someone who is grateful.

00:59:44.000 And why we care about patriotism is because, in one sense, it's how we pursue happiness.

00:59:51.000 If you're not grateful, then you don't have any reason to serve and help because you're like, thank you for all you gave me, everyone.

00:59:59.000 And then you want to give back and do good.

01:00:00.000 And people who have been given a lot of good and raised right kind of just do this.

01:00:04.000 We kind of know it.

01:00:05.000 But when, frankly, the left starts to tell you everything that came before is sick and evil and vile and corrupt and oppressive, you actually have to push back.

01:00:16.000 And foster that gratitude.

01:00:18.000 And this is why I wrote this book.

01:00:19.000 I was very keen to do so.

01:00:21.000 I love that.

01:00:22.000 I think gratitude is one of the most powerful virtues.

01:00:25.000 And it seems to change everything about the way you think about your life, the way you think about your country, the way you think about your family.

01:00:32.000 And I just think when you look at the other side, that the civilizational arsonists, as I like to call them, they hate everything, they're embittered about everything, they're angry.

01:00:45.000 And we get to be grateful for the providence of God.

01:00:49.000 The blessings of this great nation, the greatest nation in the history of the world.

01:00:54.000 And you're right.

01:00:55.000 I think, like, if I had to sum up what I'm seeing in these pages, just sort of before me, is this gratitude for the rich tapestry that is America from sea to shining sea.

01:01:03.000 And I love how you have it broken down by regions, uh, and and uh, you know, from the brackish black waters and the you know, to the like I said, the southwest on the cover.

01:01:13.000 They'll have to do a fable book about how those beavers that did the dams that were underpaid, yeah, yeah, no, they had underpaid workers.

01:01:20.000 And actually, one of the beavers.

01:01:22.000 You know, said something racist, so we've got to take the beaver's name off of it.

01:01:26.000 Yeah.

01:01:27.000 All right.

01:01:27.000 So, Blake wanted you to read something.

01:01:30.000 We've got two and a half minutes here.

01:01:31.000 Is that enough time for you to read?

01:01:33.000 Or if you could summarize it.

01:01:34.000 I want to know what the columns on your seals are.

01:01:35.000 That one's a little long.

01:01:36.000 That one's a little long for the air.

01:01:38.000 But basically, I'll hold it up here up close if you can.

01:01:43.000 Starfish get bored and come out of the ocean and cover the eyes of two seals, a brother and sister.

01:01:49.000 And they just basically say, all you can see are the tubes of their feet.

01:01:53.000 And it's like, Basically, and it takes places in the Channel Islands and it's sort of YouTube channels, right?

01:01:59.000 That sort of you can become like totally addicted to social media and sort of lost.

01:02:04.000 And so, once off the coast of Santa Barbara, exactly, which is the westernmost part right off of LA, right?

01:02:09.000 And so, the starfish basically tell the brother, Hey, you're looking weak, you got to bulk up.

01:02:16.000 So, he's trying to like carbo load on fish, so he collects tons of fish that the starfish eat at night.

01:02:20.000 And they tell the sister, who's going to eat the fish that he won't eat, You're looking pretty fat, you should really sort of thin down, sort of you know.

01:02:28.000 And basically, eventually, a witty fox reveals.

01:02:32.000 So, it's a kind of, that one's a pretty on the nose moral about the dangers of social media that you can see only stars, right?

01:02:38.000 And think that you're going to be sort of the famous influencer, right?

01:02:42.000 And sort of get lost in social media.

01:02:44.000 And then the algorithm tells you to abuse yourself, right?

01:02:48.000 So, that's a very, that's one of the most modern ones.

01:02:50.000 Yeah, that's very modern.

01:02:51.000 It's very new.

01:02:51.000 Yeah, but it works nicely.

01:02:53.000 So, the moral of the story is get rid of the starfish.

01:02:56.000 That's right.

01:02:57.000 Yeah.

01:02:57.000 Well, put them back in the ocean.

01:03:00.000 That's great.

01:03:01.000 So, where can people pick up a copy here, Doctor?

01:03:04.000 Anywhere you buy a book.

01:03:06.000 This week, frankly, until Saturday's done, Amazon and Barnes Noble are the places that would help us get on the New York Times bestseller list.

01:03:13.000 Because that's important because I don't want this to just be something for us on the conservative side of the aisle.

01:03:22.000 I leave in the national parks and all kinds of beautiful things that I think will attract people who aren't on board with what we care about so that we can actually sort of extend the community of patriots.

01:03:35.000 That needs to be a bandwagon thing.

01:03:37.000 Man, and you got.

01:03:38.000 Excerpts from George Washington, a letter from George Washington to John Hancock.

01:03:43.000 You got a letter from Samuel Ward to his son, which is a Civil War era.

01:03:48.000 I'm going to say, for all the illustrations that are in it, for as big, it's a big, well made thing.

01:03:52.000 On Amazon, it's only $40.

01:03:55.000 Samuel Ward was a Rhode Island delegate.

01:03:56.000 I apologize.

01:03:57.000 I was thinking about Seward.

01:03:59.000 No, yeah.

01:04:01.000 All the stories keep pointing to Providence and how blessed the revolution was and the entire settlement of this country.

01:04:09.000 We've got a little treat here for the audience.

01:04:10.000 You're going to do a live reading.

01:04:12.000 We've got even some imagery to go along with it of one of your poems that you've written.

01:04:17.000 This is an original.

01:04:18.000 So you have stuff that you've borrowed from different eras, letters from different places.

01:04:22.000 Something old, something new, something red, white, and blue.

01:04:24.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:04:25.000 There you go.

01:04:26.000 Something old, something new, something red, white, and blue.

01:04:28.000 The floor is yours, sir.

01:04:30.000 Yeah, this is the sort of benedictory poem, the sort of send off poem.

01:04:35.000 And it's about that issue of gratitude we talked about before.

01:04:39.000 But it's called American Mourning, which is a pun on you could mourn, you could take the black pill.

01:04:45.000 You could be sad or you could see, no, a new dawn, America's morning, right?

01:04:50.000 Which, how is it spelled?

01:04:51.000 It's spelled like a new dawn, but you hear what you want to hear if you're a sad soul, right?

01:04:56.000 But you have to govern yourself.

01:04:59.000 American morning.

01:05:01.000 If we could till the earth as our fathers did, and look on loam that Providence long hid, and drink from gin clear rivers overflowing, through meadow traces full of bison lowing, if we could step beyond that blackest tillage, And wander into hunting ground and village and smoke the peace pipe trading well for furs and find a spring before we die of thirst.

01:05:30.000 If we could make a track without a rest and end at peaceful waters in the west and build the dams and raise the towers up and from them ring the bells for all to sup.

01:05:43.000 If we could dredge the harbor and port the air and send our ships abroad to make things fair.

01:05:50.000 And rise beyond the curvature of earth, and in one step both wax and wane man's worth.

01:05:57.000 If we could do what our fathers did before, then what on earth would we be grateful for?

01:06:04.000 The sun now shines on us to play our part as wholly as we orient our heart.

01:06:12.000 Beautiful.

01:06:14.000 Beautiful.

01:06:14.000 And that was read at the Rededicate event?

01:06:17.000 The White House and Freedom 250 made a beautiful video.

01:06:20.000 I think some of it was in the B roll, maybe, but.

01:06:23.000 It was a video with using murals from the history of the West, and they had a professional reader and they put it up during the dedication to God ceremony.

01:06:33.000 So, what is that when you're writing about gratitude, but maybe dive in?

01:06:39.000 What I mean, I love poetry because it's sort of eye the beholder and everybody gets something different out of it.

01:06:44.000 What do you get out of your own words?

01:06:47.000 Each line is 20 lines, five beat lines, so that you have sort of 250 honored, even in the structure of the thing.

01:06:54.000 Forgive me, I'm a poetic nerd.

01:06:56.000 But each line is actually a part of the steps of our history, all the way up through the space race, rising above the curvature of the earth, the invention of flight to port the air.

01:07:06.000 We make airports.

01:07:07.000 That's us.

01:07:07.000 We made that.

01:07:08.000 We did that.

01:07:09.000 But also, we sent our ships abroad to make things fair World War I, World War II, right?

01:07:13.000 Like, we actually sort of gave to the world from our store of riches and sacrifice.

01:07:19.000 But it's also about looking back and seeing all that and going, oh, shucks, I can't live like the cowboys.

01:07:25.000 I can't live that old adventure.

01:07:27.000 It's like, yeah, but.

01:07:29.000 You actually, that's the wrong way.

01:07:30.000 You shouldn't be nostalgic.

01:07:32.000 You should be thankful and then turn around and be that kind of soul for the next generation to look back and be moved.

01:07:38.000 And so, this sort of orient your heart, turn to the sun that rises in the east, right?

01:07:43.000 You have to reorient.

01:07:45.000 And there's a whole pun that you have to return and face the sun.

01:07:49.000 And the end of the book in Glacier National is the going to the sun road. 1.00

01:07:52.000 And there's a pun there if you're a witty wise, like humanity is a stupid pun. 0.98

01:07:57.000 The puns get more and more complicated by the end of the book. 0.99

01:08:00.000 Going to the Sun Road, which is a real place in Glacier National.

01:08:03.000 It's beautiful.

01:08:05.000 The Son of God and the Son of Optimism.

01:08:09.000 American optimism for the future, but also American optimism for our future that rests beyond the grave.

01:08:18.000 I think that's the kind of thing that made America great.

01:08:20.000 Yeah, I love what you're saying because it says in Scripture that God appoints the times and the place.

01:08:27.000 And I do think there is a sense in our modern world.

01:08:31.000 Context that we are nostalgic for the greatness of the past.

01:08:34.000 America is blessed with an incredible past and an incredible story, a founding story, but also, you know, World War II, the sacrifices of the Civil War, overcoming slavery and segregation, all of these things, these myths that are not their actual history, but these are our founding myths, that it's hard not sometimes to not get stuck in them.

01:08:53.000 And you look at your present travails and struggles and issues that we're facing now, and so much of the present vibe is that we are a nation in decline.

01:09:04.000 And I feel for the youngest Americans, Gen Z, youngest voters, that are being raised in a country where they feel this decline.

01:09:14.000 They've internalized it in many ways, they've given into nihilism.

01:09:18.000 And the only way through nihilism is to find hope and purpose greater than yourself, greater than your present sufferings.

01:09:26.000 And I guess that's why I resonate with what you're saying so much, because you seem like an optimistic guy.

01:09:32.000 And there is a lot of reasons.

01:09:34.000 With God, all things are possible.

01:09:36.000 And I think that is the American story.

01:09:39.000 At its most foundational level, is that this is a providential nation that God has his hand on.

01:09:45.000 And it is the duty of the poet, and that's my role in this book.

01:09:50.000 It's the duty of the poet to represent these goods that are old and true in a new way so that the next generation can carry on that tradition.

01:09:58.000 That's why you have seals with algorithms and channels.

01:10:02.000 Yeah, I mean, we didn't even get to.

01:10:03.000 I have a Grok powered character. 0.97

01:10:05.000 Do you realize? 1.00

01:10:05.000 Humanity versus an AI powered robotic elephant seal about. 1.00

01:10:10.000 What is human nature and how do we actually engage with AI?

01:10:14.000 That's this one right here. 0.85

01:10:16.000 It's pretty ridiculous, but. 0.52

01:10:18.000 A lot of seals.

01:10:19.000 It's actually a well, this is the West Coast section you're working through.

01:10:22.000 So, well, as somebody who used to live in Santa Barbara, I can appreciate it that you just go tool around in like a boat and you see seals like climbing up on everything and see lions.

01:10:34.000 It really is a beautiful part of the country.

01:10:36.000 I mean, it's spectacular.

01:10:38.000 That chapter, I actually call it Our West Coast because I know you guys are very good about like, no, collects it fine, sort of as a tactical retreat, but we're taking California back, baby.

01:10:49.000 Yes, exactly.

01:10:50.000 So, I that's.

01:10:50.000 No, listen.

01:10:50.000 That chapter's our bestseller.

01:10:53.000 Yeah, Spencer Pratt, Steve Hilton, get out of here.

01:10:56.000 Beachy, I'm looking at you.

01:10:57.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:10:57.000 Do we have a poem to Spencer Pratt in here?

01:11:00.000 If not, I'm sure his.

01:11:02.000 Well, he could do a reading.

01:11:03.000 Go for it, Pratt.

01:11:05.000 Yeah.

01:11:05.000 Well, this is fantastic.

01:11:06.000 So let's give it one last shout out here, guys.

01:11:08.000 Help get this to the New York Times bestseller list.

01:11:11.000 Dr. Meehan, well, Mr. Meehan, you're Mr. in this, but it's Dr. Matthew Meehan and the American Book of Fables, a gift here.

01:11:22.000 I just want to say, I mean, I know this is a personal pursuit of yours, but the work that Hillsdale's doing, the scholarship, the quality of people that are produced and enabled, empowered through that institution never ceases to amaze me.

01:11:36.000 So, this has been a real treat, and we're grateful to have you, sir.

01:11:39.000 Yeah, thanks for having me.

01:11:40.000 I appreciate it.

01:11:41.000 Get your copy today the American Book of Fables.

01:11:44.000 Get it for your kids and grandkids, please.

01:11:46.000 And keep it around the house and make it go big because we need more patriotism and we need more gratitude.

01:11:53.000 So, be grateful today.

01:11:58.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 21, 2026

Democrats' Secret, Embarrassing 2024 Autopsy + American Fables

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