Megan Kelly joins me on The Charlie Kirk Show to talk about Bill Maher, Abrego Garcia, Larry David, and much more. Charlie and Meghan have been friends for over 30 years and have been through a lot together. Meghan is a comedian, writer, and host of The Meghan Kelly Show. She is a friend of mine and I know her very well.
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00:01:59.000He seemed a little more hostile then than he is now.
00:02:02.000What's going on with Bill Maher, and is it a sign that more reasonable people in Hollywood or in the comedian world that were once liberal are moving our direction?
00:02:55.000So we were sitting on set, and a lot of, this is true of a lot of liberals who don't actually watch my show, they all just think I don't like Trump.
00:03:02.000Because they just remember the fight he and I had back in 2015-16.
00:03:06.000So for a lot of liberals, they like me and they will pull me aside and kind of whisper in my ear about how terrible Trump is.
00:03:12.000And then when they hear me defend him, they get kind of horrified.
00:03:15.000So Bill comes on my show and he starts saying stuff about how Democrats don't deny elections.
00:03:21.000And I start fact-checking him on Hillary and so on.
00:03:24.000And it dawned on him in the midst of that interview that I was a Trump supporter.
00:03:30.000And honestly, Charlie, from that point forward, he did not even look me in the eye.
00:03:43.000I mean, it did well because it was very spicy, but we weren't connected, and I much prefer to have a real connection with my guests as they come on, as you know.
00:03:51.000So then he invites me on his show, and by the time we get to November, or late October, before the vote, He had changed a little, a little bit.
00:03:59.000He was looking me in the eye, he was listening to me, but he made very clear he was voting for Kamala.
00:04:05.000He knew she was a moron, but he totally believed she could do it more than Trump could do it.
00:04:09.000And he said that to me on stage and then behind the stage.
00:04:12.000And then over the past, you know, six months, five months, however long it's been, the light bulb's really going on with him.
00:04:19.000Because he's doing all these things that you know Bill loves.
00:04:23.000All these executive orders on DEI and the gender madness.
00:05:12.000I felt I even had more to add, but on the second part of the conversation, I'll do that with him.
00:05:16.000But to his credit, he went after the woke stuff, I mentioned this in the discussion, as hard as he did other organized religion, because the woke stuff turned into a pseudo-counterfeit religion.
00:05:26.000You talked about this, you saw this in your kids' schools, you saw this in the community, that it was spreading with almost evangelistic zeal, and to his great credit, and great personal cost to him, kind of losing his liberal card, he spoke out against that.
00:05:41.000And I think that tells us a lot about somebody's character.
00:06:33.000And even if he gets canceled, the next show comes and he does the same thing.
00:06:37.000And he, net-net over time, I think he's proven to himself that his audience will stay with him.
00:06:42.000Even if he offends them, even if he's not totally lined up with them, they appreciate his honesty and truly it's overused, but his authenticity.
00:06:49.000And that's what I love about Bill too.
00:06:51.000He's, I mean, that to a fault, yes, but we love that about, like our side of the aisle loves that.
00:06:56.000And one other point on the wokeness, and you mentioned me and we pulled our kids out of the schools and all that.
00:07:01.000I was talking with your producer before the show, and we were talking about how the young people, like the 18 to 21-year-olds, are going to be the most conservative generation we've seen in decades.
00:07:10.000And 100%, that is due in part to Charlie Kirk.
00:07:14.000Everybody watching the show knows that.
00:07:15.000It's one of the reasons you're sent from God.
00:07:18.000But it's also, as much as I love to pat the right on the back, it's also because of those schools.
00:07:50.000Just the left is driving them into the arms of the right.
00:07:54.000And look, I don't know how old your son is, but he also probably asked the question, is there any day for me or any recognition of my existence?
00:08:02.000Or am I just the villain in every possible story, in every meta-narrative that is presented in academia?
00:08:10.000It is that the white man is the problem.
00:08:13.000And it is the arch villain on the top of the pyramid.
00:08:19.000Just to remind you, in the school we pulled them from in New York, which is one of the best schools in the country, private boys school, the final straw for us was they were there was a mandatory reading circulated amongst the faculty and the position by the author, this woke leftist black professor at some no-name college that was now mandated reading.
00:08:40.000It posited, and I'm quoting here, in every classroom where white children learn, there is a future killer cop.
00:08:55.000And it was the reason that we ultimately pulled the kids.
00:08:58.000You know, a year earlier, when he had been in third grade, they had unleashed the gender madness, asking each boy how sure he was he was a boy.
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00:09:07.000And on a scale of one to five, how sure are you you're a boy?
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00:11:34.000This is, I would say, extraordinary, but par for the course?
00:11:37.000Yeah, I mean, he's got a long history, unfortunately, of doing this to people.
00:11:42.000Alan Dershowitz has been railing for years about how Larry David and he saw each other in Martha's Vineyard, and they used to be friends, apparently more than friendly, just actual friends.
00:11:54.000He got in Alan's face because Alan defended Trump on the first impeachment.
00:11:58.000I mean, Alan's a constitutional lawyer.
00:12:00.000And he defended Bill Clinton on his impeachment.
00:12:03.000He defends the law, irrespective of who's gotten caught up in it.
00:12:07.000He defended O.J. Simpson, for God's sake.
00:12:09.000But this was a bridge too far for Larry David.
00:12:12.000And so Bill Maher, who is critical of Trump every episode he has, literally every single episode, and says very nasty things.
00:12:21.000In fact, one of the things Trump was so happy about when I saw him after my Bill Maher appearance was...
00:12:27.000How much I gave it to him, I got right back in his face because Bill was saying terrible things about Trump when Trump was watching it, thinking, this is very irritating.
00:12:45.000Yes, and so, and then Larry David reportedly, you know, Cheryl Hines, RFKJ's wife, works on that show.
00:12:51.000She played his wife and now his ex-wife on that show.
00:12:54.000And there were rumors, this is not confirmed by me personally, but there were rumors all over the Hollywood press rags that she was getting blowback when he came out and endorsed Trump and when he first threw his hat into the political ring at all because, you know, it wasn't going to hurt Joe Biden or Kamala Harris when he was running as a Dem because that could help Trump and God forbid.
00:13:12.000And that Cheryl had to be sure to like play it right down the middle.
00:13:50.000Where... You can't privately have your own views, like in the case of Cheryl Hines, or publicly be one of Trump's chief antagonists, but have one night where you try to see his humanity.
00:14:06.000Such a risk that Bill Maher could be co-opted, you know, that he actually could, as I said in four years, vote MAGA, that they have to start training him now.
00:14:15.000He's got to be beaten and demonized and get the full Adolph treatment.
00:14:19.000I totally agree, but I think Bill Maher's got a little Joe Rogan in him.
00:14:23.000I think he's going to only go closer to team reality.
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00:17:57.000And let's just say, not exactly a Boy Scout record.
00:18:01.000Democrats have now, too, we know of, have flown to this foreign country, El Salvador, to try to petition for the release of a foreign citizen.
00:18:08.000I want everyone to understand that they are advocating for a foreigner to come back to America.
00:18:13.000There's actually five or six Democrats that have now visited.
00:18:15.000I only was aware of two, but I guess it's five or six my team tells me.
00:18:21.000You know, if they were really looking for a poster boy to support, one that would work politically, why haven't we heard more about the gay hairdresser?
00:18:29.000Right? We heard so much about, like, look, there's a gay hairdresser just cutting hair and minding his own business, and they shipped him off to this prison in El Salvador.
00:18:37.000Weird how they haven't gone back to him.
00:18:39.000Weird how they decided to cash in all their chips on an MS-13 gang member.
00:18:44.000Something tells me something's off with the gay hairdresser story, too, because this appears to be the best they could find.
00:19:15.000They discussed the gang ties because they were trying to figure out whether he should be held on bond while they tried to figure out what to do with him.
00:19:21.000And they said, he's an MS-13 gang member.
00:19:32.000It's dangerous for me there because this other gang wants to kill me.
00:19:36.000So he said, okay, you don't have to go back to El Salvador, but you do need to get out.
00:19:39.000And at that point, it was up to him to either get out or take his chances that he would be plucked out at any moment by any president's ICE team and sent out, including back to El Salvador if just one thing happened.
00:19:55.000If the gang that was out to get him, which was a different gang other than MS-13, if that threat were eliminated.
00:20:01.000And that threat has been eliminated under this new president there, Bukele.
00:20:07.000Okay, at worst, what the Trump administration did here, at worst, in the Democrats' argument, was he didn't have a judge say, okay, that gang is no longer around.
00:20:51.000Like, that was just totally out of context.
00:20:54.000Yeah, he was wearing MS-13 gang colors as they all do.
00:20:57.000They wear those same red and black colors.
00:20:59.000Chicago Bulls sweatshirt in this context is very common and had the tats and was with two MS-13 members and had testimony by a confidential informant saying he was MS-13 and this is the rank he held and this is the nickname, all of which is irrelevant.
00:21:23.000He's already been adjudicated, removable.
00:21:26.000The only problem is we didn't remove him.
00:21:28.000And then when we did, we technically weren't supposed to remove him to El Salvador without saying that that threatening gang, which, by the way, sounded like total bull anyway, but let's just pretend it was real, had gone away.
00:23:41.000No one even asked a single question about whether she could go on living.
00:23:44.000But these guys get all the due process in the world, and each one gets his own ACLU district court fight, appeals court fight, Supreme Court fight, and now, culminating in overnight on Friday, the Supreme Court halts.
00:23:57.000All deportations under the Alien Enemies Act until further notice.
00:24:25.000It's hampering of what Trump's trying to do.
00:24:27.000And they appealed it from the lower court, the Circuit Court of Appeals, before it had even been fully briefed, before they even had had a ruling from that court.
00:24:35.000They brought it up to the Supreme Court saying, we think that he's going to deport more.
00:24:40.000And without briefing, without anything, the Supreme Court's like, you're right.
00:24:43.000Okay, hold everything, which was not the right thing to do.
00:24:47.000I mean, somebody tweeted this out the other day, and I totally agree.
00:24:50.000If you are a Trump-appointed justice or even just a so-called conservative justice on the high court, and you find yourself on the wrong side of Alito and Thomas, you've decided the case wrong.
00:25:18.000The problem is he can use other methods, but they all clearly require a level of notice and opportunity to claim asylum, like immediate removal, expedited removal, which is what, you know, when they say, oh, Biden deported 450,000 illegals.
00:25:45.000Some half a million got turned away at the border because they must have been, like, breathing fire to get turned around under Biden.
00:25:51.000In any event, you can do that with expedited removal and you really don't have to provide any due process.
00:25:57.000Unless they're claiming asylum, you don't have to give them any due process.
00:26:00.000Well, Trump enlarged expedited removal to the whole U.S., saying, I can remove you from anywhere under this procedure, but if they claim asylum...
00:27:45.000But what needs to happen now as the high court, the Supreme Court, can see that this is clearly being used as a tool to stop the entire political agenda, the democratically voted for agenda, is they need to act quickly and more judiciously.
00:28:02.000On all the cases coming up before them, not just the ones that the ACLU say are emergencies because Trenda, Aragua, and MS-13 members are about to be shipped off to El Salvador.
00:28:14.000How about some of the Trump requests to enlarge his powers or to recognize his valid powers under, for example, the Alien Enemies Act or to act more swiftly?
00:28:41.000On the books in the late 1940s is a Supreme Court opinion saying, this statute is barely reviewable.
00:28:50.000This is clear that the founders didn't want judges to second-guess a president saying, we're in a war and these people have invaded us and or these people have invaded us or conducted an incursion and they need to be thrown out.
00:29:04.000They did not think, because it's called a political question, which judges cannot decide under our Constitution, they did not think judges should be having the final say on those.
00:29:12.000So they created very limited ways to review things done under that act.
00:29:19.000And the sooner the Supreme Court gives a serious brushback to lower courts on the merits of that thing, the better off Trump will be.
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00:30:18.000Timeline is very important, and the oral arguments on national injunctions is rather noteworthy.
00:30:24.000There are so many injunctions right now, Megan, it's hard to even count.
00:30:28.000I mean, we're talking about 100 to almost, I think, over 200 of them, one of which, which I know is a passionate topic for you, and I wanted to conclude our time talking about it, which is no men in female sports.
00:30:39.000Still, as I go to these campuses, there are still...
00:30:43.000Young feminists that come up to the mic that say, Charlie, I don't care if there is a man undressing next to me.
00:31:31.000And by the way, hat tip to people like J.K. Rowling.
00:31:34.000Without whom it wouldn't have happened.
00:31:35.000You know, you do need these strong, and it's helpful, I think, if it's a woman, but strong female characters to stand up and say, no, what we're arguing over is men invading women's spaces.
00:31:48.000The leftist pro-trans crowd would like you to forget the fact that we're arguing over men.
00:32:07.000Just ask Riley Gaines, who had to get naked in front of a fully intact Leah Thomas, formerly Will, with his penis hanging out in her locker room while, you know, he was clearly, you look at his social media, it's very clear, go read the Daily Wire's report, that this guy's an autogynophile, meaning he gets off undressing like a woman.
00:32:31.000Who wants their daughter or to themselves be a part of some strange man's sexual fetish?
00:32:39.000I don't want to be there when the guys want to be carried around like a baby in a diaper.
00:32:43.000I don't want to be there when they want to get whipped in chains with the S&M.
00:32:46.000I don't want to be there when they're having their autogynophilia fulfilled with hard-ons in the women's locker room when I'm trying to get ready for my swim meet or my daughter's trying to get ready for her soccer game.
00:33:51.000Against this guy who is taller than all of them and stronger than all of them, but said he was a girl and grew his hair a little long, so we had to pretend.
00:33:59.000You just have to reframe the debate into actual facts, and then we win.
00:34:04.000And I've said this before, we cannot cede the language at all.
00:34:12.000And believe me, I started, I was saying all the preferred pronouns.
00:34:19.000I couldn't imagine myself looking at somebody like a Caitlyn Jenner, who's been kind of on our side, even on these issues, and being disrespectful enough to look at Caitlyn and say, he.
00:34:46.000You've seeded the language at the top.
00:34:48.000So we have to maintain our factual adherence.
00:34:52.000And by the way, it applies to your children too.
00:34:54.000You know, I've told all my kids, if anybody ever tries to make you say your pronouns, you just tell them you're not comfortable with that language.
00:35:01.000You're not going to talk about yourself like that.