The Charlie Kirk Show - Dethroning Two American Political Dynasties

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00:00:00.000 Today, the Charlie Kirk show, two political dynasties need to fall.

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00:00:07.000 Murkowski and Cheney are up for referendum.

00:00:13.000 We have a live reporter from Cheyenne, Wyoming.

00:00:16.000 Kelly Cheshbaka joins us from Alaska.

00:00:19.000 And also Doug Mastriano from Pennsylvania in an action-packed episode.

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00:00:43.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:28.000 There have been a couple families that have ruled American Republican politics over the last couple decades.

00:01:35.000 The Bush family, the McCains, the Rockefellers, the Romneys, and the Cheneys.

00:01:42.000 They all get along very well, and there's pockets of this country, Teton County, Wyoming, otherwise known as Jackson Hall, Wyoming, Kenny Bunkport, Maine, that just seem to be dominated by that type of Republican, Aspen, Colorado being another place as well.

00:01:59.000 Well, the McCain establishment in Arizona suffered a major loss two weeks ago.

00:02:05.000 It is hard to see how they'll ever be able to get back to political relevancy in Arizona.

00:02:10.000 Top and bottom, all throughout the ballot.

00:02:13.000 The Bushes have suffered loss after loss.

00:02:16.000 Ken Paxton soundly defeated Bush in the Attorney General primary race.

00:02:23.000 And tonight, you very well might see the end of a political dynasty as far as elected office goes until she runs for Congress in Virginia, which is really her home seat, which I think she'll do very soon. 1.00

00:02:36.000 Liz Cheney running in a primary in Wyoming against Harriet Hageman.

00:02:43.000 One of the most important races of 2022 until the midterms is happening tonight.

00:02:50.000 If you live in Wyoming, you need to vote, period. 0.78

00:02:53.000 We need to send a massive message that we no longer have multi-generational, dynastic, corrupt families that invade countries unnecessarily, do crony deals with the military-industrial complex, abuse government power, and protect the Uniparty. 0.60

00:03:15.000 It's happening right now in Wyoming.

00:03:18.000 With us right now is Ben Berkwom, an amazing American patriot.

00:03:23.000 He's live in Wyoming to give us the latest on the ground in Wyoming.

00:03:29.000 Ben, welcome to the program.

00:03:30.000 What's the vibe on the ground?

00:03:32.000 What's going on in Wyoming?

00:03:34.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:03:35.000 The energy is high.

00:03:36.000 You know, for a state that doesn't have that many voters compared to a lot of other states across the country, the turnout that I'm seeing, I'm at the second polling location I've been at so far today, turnout is huge.

00:03:47.000 And the story of the day is how many Democrats are going to switch and vote in Republican and get a Republican ballot in order to support Liz Cheney.

00:03:56.000 So that's what we're seeing everywhere we go.

00:03:59.000 I've been interviewing folks as far as the kind of straw poll, as the voting as they're coming out.

00:04:07.000 I'd still say it's about three to one that folks that are willing to go on and talk about it that are voting for Hare Hageman.

00:04:13.000 But there are an awful lot of Democrats.

00:04:15.000 I've speaking to some of the poll workers that are here saying that's the story.

00:04:18.000 There are a lot of Democrats coming in to vote, and you can just see the amount of people behind us to actually let us into the polling place.

00:04:23.000 I'm going to actually walk and talk and we're going to go out and I'll show you the line as we go outside of the building here.

00:04:30.000 But that's the story: is how many, how many MAGA Republicans are going to show up and vote, and how many of the Democrats are going to switch their party affiliation.

00:04:40.000 Yeah, Wyoming is a very interesting state.

00:04:42.000 It is super conservative.

00:04:44.000 However, they have Democrats that run as Republicans.

00:04:48.000 Now, you are in Cheyenne, which is one of the more liberal parts of Wyoming in more ways than one.

00:04:55.000 You know, the more rural parts of Wyoming, Liz Cheney is just going to get completely and totally clobbered. 1.00

00:05:03.000 And so, wow, that's an incredible line right there.

00:05:07.000 That's a primary line right there.

00:05:09.000 Now, so, Ben, what do you look at to reiterate for our audience that can't see that line?

00:05:14.000 Is that usual for an August primary or is this higher than normal turnout?

00:05:19.000 Yeah, definitely higher than normal.

00:05:21.000 The turnout, and even compared to what we saw in Arizona, you rarely see lines out the door in a primary, much less a midterm primary.

00:05:29.000 So, there is high energy and speaking to folks.

00:05:32.000 I was asking them why, and we're kind of getting conflicting information about that, whether it's Democrats that are coming out and switching their party affiliation to vote for Cheney, or if it's Republicans that are so fed up with Cheney.

00:05:43.000 And we've got a lot of Republicans saying that they were fed up with what's happening to President Trump, with the raid in Mar-a-Lago.

00:05:49.000 And so, there's you're getting kind of both of that, both dynamics here in a state that a lot oftentimes was considered flyover has significant implications for the rest of the country.

00:05:58.000 As you've mentioned, with what's going on with the January 6th subcommittee and all of the other nonsense that's coming out of Washington and the implications for MAGA movement as a whole, if Cheney loses, this is a huge victory, not just for Hegeman, but for President Trump.

00:06:14.000 Yeah, so just what that's really interesting. 0.59

00:06:17.000 Again, the Cheneys have kind of ruled Wyoming for quite a while. 0.94

00:06:20.000 This would be a major repudiation of a dynasty that was largely unquestioned for years. 0.97

00:06:27.000 This would be an example of the people taking back power from something that could only be described as an oligarchy.

00:06:36.000 Are you getting that kind of vibe or that kind of language on the ground?

00:06:39.000 The folks that we're talking to that are Republicans, basically, the sense is that Cheney does not represent Wyoming anymore.

00:06:39.000 Absolutely.

00:06:49.000 And as you mentioned, she may end up running in Virginia at some point. 0.92

00:06:52.000 And that's the sense here: that from the Republican voters that I've interviewed, they feel like Cheney isn't even from Wyoming, doesn't represent Wyoming at all.

00:07:01.000 So, absolutely, this would be a repudiation.

00:07:04.000 They basically see her as somebody that comes out to vacation and take advantage of them, but doesn't do anything to actually help the state of Wyoming.

00:07:11.000 Ben, I just have to remark, that's an unbelievable line.

00:07:14.000 I mean, this, again, for those of you on radio, this is an August primary and a crazy line.

00:07:22.000 So, what polling place?

00:07:23.000 Is this a central polling place?

00:07:24.000 Is this one of many?

00:07:25.000 I mean, I can't believe this is a general election line, is what it looks like.

00:07:28.000 It's unbelievable.

00:07:30.000 Yeah, this is one of five or six in town.

00:07:33.000 We were just at another location, didn't have quite the line.

00:07:35.000 I was a little further out of town, apart.

00:07:37.000 This is a gym in town.

00:07:40.000 But again, this is just one of several locations.

00:07:43.000 And in speaking to folks here, this is uncommon for a primary, much less a midterm primary.

00:07:48.000 So, without question, there is high energy here.

00:07:52.000 And the question, the big question is: where does that energy end up falling on the political spectrum?

00:07:57.000 We'll find that out tonight.

00:07:59.000 I think based on the polls that we've seen, Hegeman is way ahead.

00:08:02.000 It's just how many Democrats are coming out and how many of the MAGA voters are coming out to vote today.

00:08:07.000 Today is, you know, it's all there.

00:08:10.000 The numbers we're seeing, again, and the folks that we're interviewing as they come out, when they come out as Republicans, it's still about three to one Hegeman over Cheney.

00:08:18.000 And again, that wild part is not that Democrat.

00:08:21.000 Again, you're in a kind of a suburb of Denver almost, is Cheyenne, right?

00:08:25.000 I mean, it's not the most conservative part of the state.

00:08:29.000 Laramie's also pretty liberal.

00:08:31.000 But as you start to get out to Cody and you get out to Gillette and you get out to kind of the rural areas, it's going to be 80%, 90% in favor of Hageman.

00:08:42.000 Ben, thank you so much.

00:08:43.000 Great coverage as always.

00:08:44.000 Great job.

00:08:45.000 Thank you, sir.

00:08:46.000 Absolutely.

00:08:47.000 I want to play cut 52 here.

00:08:49.000 This is CNN.

00:08:50.000 I think it's John Kasich.

00:08:52.000 Man, I haven't talked about John Kasich in a while.

00:08:55.000 You know, whenever he talks, he looks like he's chopping lettuce.

00:08:58.000 Do you notice that?

00:08:59.000 He was a lettuce man.

00:09:01.000 Cut 52, of course he's on CNN talking about how Liz Cheney is going nowhere.

00:09:06.000 Yeah, sure.

00:09:06.000 Play Cut 52.

00:09:08.000 Even if she loses this election, which she's expected to do, she's not just going to fade away.

00:09:13.000 There's going to be plenty of opportunities for Liz Cheney. 1.00

00:09:15.000 But I'll bet at the end of the day, she wouldn't trade what she has done for all the elections in the world because it's her conscience that's driving her.

00:09:24.000 And look, in politics, then you're out of it.

00:09:26.000 What are you remembered for?

00:09:27.000 There's so many people in politics.

00:09:29.000 You ask them what they did, they don't have a very good answer.

00:09:32.000 We'll always remember what she's done, and she's inspired a lot of people.

00:09:36.000 You know, you know what I find so funny, and we're actually going to get to that in just a second here.

00:09:40.000 I think we have time in the next segment before Doug Mastriano.

00:09:43.000 We have Doug Mastriano, by the way, joining us later this hour.

00:09:46.000 Is they always attack us as being anti-democracy and kind of anti-Democrat process.

00:09:53.000 And I always love when they say, well, even if, you know, even if the voters reject her, you know, the other side, they're really against democracy.

00:09:59.000 Really?

00:10:00.000 I was quoted in the New York Times, and the head of the line of the article, the New York Times, had anti-democracy folk forces taking over Arizona.

00:10:10.000 And you read my quote, my quote in the article, because some reporter, some snake, came into one of our events, even though he wasn't invited.

00:10:18.000 He quoted me perfectly.

00:10:19.000 I have to say, he did a very good job of that, which I do appreciate.

00:10:22.000 If you're going to deceitfully sneak into one of my events, the least I can ask is that you're going to quote me correctly.

00:10:27.000 He says, and Charlie Kirk says, we're just going to have to defeat you and get more votes than you.

00:10:31.000 How is that anti-democratic exactly?

00:10:34.000 There's this article here in MSNBC.

00:10:38.000 Arizona Republicans are making a case against the idea of democracy itself.

00:10:43.000 Now, do you notice they never actually define the term democracy ever?

00:10:50.000 Now, they get really worried when all of a sudden people like myself, because I'm quoted in this article, we come out and say that America is not a democracy, we are a republic, they start to lose their mind.

00:11:01.000 They say, how dare you say something like that?

00:11:03.000 Well, it's factually true.

00:11:06.000 We are a republic.

00:11:08.000 A republic, by definition, is opposed to rule by a single person.

00:11:14.000 Republics are slow and they're intentional.

00:11:18.000 And you do vote in a republic, obviously.

00:11:22.000 You do so through representative democracy.

00:11:24.000 So that might be where they're getting some of the term democracy, but we are not a pure democracy.

00:11:31.000 In a republic, for example, you have some stated truths that have been agreed upon by the vast majority of the population and the sovereign, the states, and the people.

00:11:41.000 And they're very hard to get rid of.

00:11:44.000 This is one of the defining characteristics of a republic.

00:11:46.000 For example, just because 51% of Americans might want to get rid of freedom of speech does not mean freedom of speech disappears.

00:11:56.000 It is not an up or down vote.

00:11:57.000 Your rights are not up for a up or down vote just based on 51%.

00:12:03.000 Now, if you want to add to amendments or you want to clarify them, it's a long-drawn out, multi-dimensional process of state certification and Congress, multiple branches of government.

00:12:14.000 In a democracy, it's let's get everyone in the room, let's vote for it, and then we go forward.

00:12:21.000 Arizona Republicans are making a case against the idea of democracy itself by Zasheen Alim.

00:12:27.000 Yeah, I got to listen to Zasheen Alim about what American democracy is.

00:12:31.000 Like, how about you sit this one out, pal?

00:12:34.000 I mean, this is one of the most incoherent articles I've ever read, MSNBC.

00:12:39.000 As Thomas, this is what he says here.

00:12:42.000 He says, they quote me, by the way, Charlie Kirk said, just a fact check, we don't have a democracy.

00:12:48.000 We are a republic.

00:12:49.000 So then he says, in other words, in heart of one of the most energetic hotbeds of Trumpist Republican activity, the claim that U.S. is a republic instead of democracy is becoming a common mantra.

00:13:01.000 But the narrative involves a rhetorical sleight of hand to cloak an extremist agenda of minority rule in the guise of fulfilling what the founders wanted. 0.64

00:13:10.000 Okay, so there is something true about this.

00:13:12.000 Republic-style governments or small R Republican-style governments do protect the rights of the minority. 0.92

00:13:18.000 That is true.

00:13:20.000 Why is that all of a sudden a bad thing, according to MSNBC?

00:13:23.000 I thought it's all about protecting minority rights. 0.66

00:13:25.000 Okay, so now we want to continue to protect the rights of a minority, and we're the ones that are anti-democracy. 0.92

00:13:31.000 As scholar George Thomas of Claremont McKenna College has pointed out, the founding generation did describe the American experiment as a republic, a form of government in which it was ruled by representatives of a citizen body, but didn't see it at odds with or mutually exclusive from democracy. 0.87

00:13:48.000 The founders were opposed to direct democracy, obviously.

00:13:51.000 And then this woman, this New York Times columnist or man, I don't know, Jamal Bowie, said there's really no difference in present between a republic and a democracy.

00:13:58.000 Yes, there is.

00:14:00.000 Bernie Sanders and AOC and Elizabeth Warren, they want you to be able to vote yourself free stuff.

00:14:06.000 We think that's very dangerous.

00:14:08.000 That is a fundamental difference between a republic and a democracy.

00:14:13.000 The agenda of the Arizona Republicans, MSNBC says, is to create a mutually exclusive dichotomy between democracy and republic, and that use of that dichotomy is to serve the rights' political goals.

00:14:24.000 What political goals are that?

00:14:26.000 What is this guy's name again?

00:14:28.000 Zashin Alim.

00:14:31.000 What goals are that? 0.92

00:14:32.000 Separation of powers?

00:14:33.000 Yeah, that's a goal.

00:14:34.000 How about consent to the governed?

00:14:36.000 That's a goal.

00:14:37.000 Checks and balances.

00:14:38.000 That's a goal.

00:14:39.000 Independent judiciary.

00:14:40.000 Those four things are all characteristics of a republic, not necessarily of a democracy.

00:14:47.000 A democracy, you get these failed Western European states where just by up or down vote, you can smash the minority.

00:14:54.000 You can take people's rights away and vote yourself free stuff.

00:14:57.000 Here's a news flash for the media is that European Western-style democracy is unsustainable.

00:15:03.000 It's not sustainable.

00:15:05.000 A constitutional republic with representative democracy built into it is.

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00:16:09.000 One of the most important races in the country is the governor's race in Pennsylvania.

00:16:16.000 The National Republican establishment groups have refused to offer any sort of financial or otherwise support of Doug Mastriano.

00:16:23.000 They're leaving him all alone on an island.

00:16:26.000 So we got to do whatever we can to help him.

00:16:28.000 And he joins us right now.

00:16:29.000 Doug, welcome back to the program.

00:16:31.000 Charlie, it's great to be back.

00:16:33.000 And I look forward to seeing you on Friday.

00:16:34.000 It's going to be fantastic.

00:16:35.000 Yeah, I don't know if I'll be able to make it, but I know our team's going to be there.

00:16:38.000 It's going to be incredible.

00:16:38.000 So, Doug, tell us about your race.

00:16:40.000 How's it going?

00:16:41.000 And also talk about how some of the Republican establishment is not exactly supporting you.

00:16:48.000 Well, we had a tough primary.

00:16:50.000 We had nine people on the ballot, as you know, and it was the first time in 44 years that the state party did not endorse.

00:16:56.000 So it was one of the most contested and heated primaries in recent history in Pennsylvania.

00:17:00.000 Back then in 1978, the last time they didn't endorse, Dick Thornburg won with 33% of the vote.

00:17:05.000 Charlie, I was outspent 16 to 1.

00:17:07.000 I heard Carrie Lake said 10 to 1 in her race, 16 to 1. 1.00

00:17:11.000 A good chunk of that by other Republicans, about 6 million or so, were in attack pieces against me.

00:17:16.000 So I had a bloody primary, but still came out with almost half the vote.

00:17:20.000 The next guy behind me was 22 points behind.

00:17:23.000 So, you know, as you rightly said with your interview in Arizona down there, in the old days, money seemed to have the greatest influence on races.

00:17:31.000 Not anymore.

00:17:32.000 The grassroots is fired up.

00:17:34.000 We're watching what's happening with Donald Trump.

00:17:36.000 We're watching the old dinosaur career politician types is kind of like fading away.

00:17:41.000 And it's a new day.

00:17:43.000 You're running up against a total radical. 0.96

00:17:45.000 He's very dishonest and very dangerous.

00:17:48.000 Shapiro, his name is Josh Shapiro.

00:17:51.000 He's the current attorney general of Pennsylvania.

00:17:55.000 If I'm not mistaken, he also was very involved in the 2020 election in changing rules or measures or something, if my memory serves me correctly.

00:18:04.000 Can you elaborate on that?

00:18:06.000 Yeah, well, his greatest contribution, of course, was right before the election happened.

00:18:11.000 He said, you know, when all the votes are counted, he was predicting, not predicting, he was saying Biden's going to win.

00:18:16.000 I do remember that.

00:18:17.000 That was right.

00:18:17.000 Yes.

00:18:18.000 For the senior law enforcement official of the state to come out and say that, it does raise a lot of eyebrows.

00:18:24.000 So, you know, Charlie, he's got nothing.

00:18:26.000 And I don't do talking points.

00:18:27.000 I'm a retired Army Colonel.

00:18:28.000 I just lay it out there.

00:18:30.000 And he's got nothing to run on.

00:18:31.000 He's been six years as the Attorney General on his watch.

00:18:34.000 Crime has gone up 37%.

00:18:36.000 In fact, on his watch, murders have doubled in the state, especially Philadelphia, which is a terrible, it should be a great place to go, but it's just ridden with crime.

00:18:44.000 It used to be a great city.

00:18:45.000 It's a disaster.

00:18:45.000 And it needs to be.

00:18:47.000 It's the birthplace of our country, as everyone knows, and it should be the gem on the Delaware.

00:18:50.000 And now it's become a place ridden with crime.

00:18:54.000 We're eighth overall in overdose deaths, fourth in fentanyl deaths. 0.76

00:18:58.000 And this guy's a failure.

00:18:59.000 So Charlie, since he can't run on his record, just like the Biden administration, he's got to call people names. 0.97

00:19:04.000 Oh, racist, you know, bigot, you know, instead of having a record to run on. 1.00

00:19:08.000 This guy is just ridiculous. 1.00

00:19:09.000 You know, he's over the top. 0.99

00:19:12.000 He's flush with money from various sources, including the thesaurus foundations around there.

00:19:18.000 And people need to start asking questions.

00:19:20.000 Do you want to have continued failed policies like Wolf and Biden, or do you want to have a new day in Pennsylvania?

00:19:27.000 Yeah, and you're one of the most smeared candidates in the country right now.

00:19:30.000 And they're coming after you in every possible way.

00:19:35.000 And Shapiro, he can't run on a record.

00:19:37.000 He is just trying to engage in the same sort of attacks of, oh, he's racist. 0.99

00:19:42.000 He's terrible. 0.81

00:19:43.000 But the state of Pennsylvania is in real trouble in more ways than one.

00:19:47.000 Talk about your plan.

00:19:48.000 Talk about how your issues are actually appealing to a vast majority of the voters in Pennsylvania.

00:19:56.000 And that's just it.

00:19:57.000 You know, we astound at the establishment in the primary.

00:20:00.000 We have a very broad appeal.

00:20:01.000 We're making serious gains in the Latino population right now because the Democrat Party is going to sound so radical.

00:20:10.000 The Rust Belt, working class trade union types, they're completely on our side here.

00:20:15.000 Maybe not their union bosses, but the rank and file, they believe the same things we do.

00:20:20.000 You know, the appeal is getting us back to basics here.

00:20:23.000 We had one of the heaviest-handed rulers in the form of Governor Wolf, and never Charlie was a governor more appropriately named, Tom Wolf, during COVID.

00:20:31.000 He was extremely heavy-handed.

00:20:33.000 He was under him, you know, the famous Dr. Levine sent the sick back into homes, the first state to do that, killing thousands and no accountability. 0.97

00:20:41.000 Levine gets promoted, you know, all this ridiculous nonsense.

00:20:45.000 And so, on day one, we're going to roll back all these restrictions on our energy sector because I'll inherit, of course, a very sluggish economy in a recession six months into it, I'm sure.

00:20:56.000 And so, my goal is to make us the Florida of the North.

00:20:59.000 And how we do that, we have the potential because God has blessed us with centuries of natural resources on our feet for energy.

00:21:06.000 And so, on the first day, I'm going to get us out of this scheme that Tom Wolf put us into called the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, Reggie, which is a carbon emissions tax, which has jacked up our costs across the state by 40% already, and really not fully in it yet.

00:21:19.000 And so, on day one, we're going to be out by executive order.

00:21:22.000 On day one, CRT is done.

00:21:24.000 So, teaching, whatever they're calling it today. 0.95

00:21:25.000 I know they have new names for school learning and all that crap.

00:21:28.000 Yeah, it's all done.

00:21:30.000 And if you defy my orders, you'll find your school being losing funding and unable to sustain itself.

00:21:37.000 On day one, we're going to bring common sense back.

00:21:40.000 No more mandates, no more jab for jobs.

00:21:42.000 Anybody who lost a job under my authority as a governor, such as in the National Guard, Air Guard, or in the various directorates or state police who lost their job because they wanted to have a choice over what went in their body regarding the jab, the COVID vaccine, they'll be welcome back.

00:21:58.000 On day one, no more guys on the girls' teams.

00:22:02.000 We're going to follow the science.

00:22:04.000 I mean, these common sense policies, we're going to be fighting like hell for school choice.

00:22:07.000 We're going to unleash our energy sector here, which is really the hope for the nation.

00:22:12.000 Yeah, and so I mean, there are so many different kinds of regions of Pennsylvania.

00:22:18.000 You have the Philly suburbs, you have downtown Philly, you have central Pennsylvania, which has become very conservative.

00:22:24.000 Can you talk about the transformation of central Pennsylvania into a very, very red portion of Pennsylvania?

00:22:31.000 It's changed Pennsylvania politics almost.

00:22:34.000 Yeah, the Democrats, Charlie, just two years ago had a 2 million advantage in registered voters on their side over Republicans.

00:22:41.000 Now it's down to about 400 and some thousand.

00:22:43.000 Wow.

00:22:44.000 And what has happened is the Democrats are their own worst enemy.

00:22:47.000 You know, back when I was first stationed with the 2nd Cavalry during the Cold War in the 80s in Nuremberg, Germany, we had a mirror before you'd go to the parade field for inspection and somebody put a stick around and know your enemy.

00:22:57.000 You know, in that case, the Democrats are their own worst enemy.

00:22:59.000 They've gone so extreme on so many policies, you know, deeming parents as domestic terrorists because they have a strong opinion on something, defending, you know, pornography and sex acts being taught in school, defending, this is the Democrats, defending, you know, gender confusion of kids between five and 10 years old.

00:23:15.000 And they've left a party behind.

00:23:17.000 So what has happened in counties in the center part of the state and elsewhere that used to be reliably Democrat because of traditional Democrats, like many of my relatives on the Italian side, the party's left them behind.

00:23:30.000 And so many have flipped to independent and much more gotten Republican.

00:23:36.000 Yeah, it's just been a total and complete transformation.

00:23:39.000 So what is your greatest need right now now to the election?

00:23:43.000 I mean, we're 45 days out from ballots.

00:23:45.000 I mean, it's happening very quickly.

00:23:47.000 What is your greatest need?

00:23:49.000 It's money.

00:23:49.000 It's resources.

00:23:50.000 As you know, Josh Shapiro is extremely well funded.

00:23:53.000 The Democrats are very shrewd.

00:23:55.000 They do see Pennsylvania as the Keystone State, which we are.

00:23:58.000 And I do believe if we get it right on November 8th, which we will, we could turn the tide of the country.

00:24:04.000 And that's just not hyperbole, you know, or somebody who really believes in their state.

00:24:07.000 I do believe since Pennsylvania is rooted so much in our history.

00:24:10.000 You know, the frame of government that we had in 1787 during the Constitution Convention came from William Penn in 1682 when he founded the colony of Pennsylvania.

00:24:19.000 And so, of course, we have the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, Gettysburg, a new birth of freedom, even 9-11 Flight 93 out west in Somerset County.

00:24:28.000 And so I ask people to please donate and be generous because if we get it right, we could turn the tide in our country.

00:24:35.000 Yeah, there's been a lot of questions about the kind of tension between the states and the federal government and kind of balancing that.

00:24:44.000 You know, Pennsylvania is kind of just been all along with the Biden regime.

00:24:50.000 Biden pretends he's from Pennsylvania.

00:24:51.000 It's a total joke.

00:24:53.000 And yet, you know, people in Pennsylvania are suffering.

00:24:56.000 You know, what issues in particular are you willing to stand up to Joe Biden on as governor of Pennsylvania?

00:25:03.000 Any of this of the constitutional rights that are delineated, you know, obviously if he's going to send his guns into our towns here to take away people's Second Amendments, actually, Charlie, much of what I'm saying, I actually have, since I'm the Senator, I actually have legislation here that would prevent the state government and state agencies from cooperating with the federal government.

00:25:21.000 So we need to draw a line.

00:25:22.000 You know, it's that shutdown two years ago was very eye-opening.

00:25:26.000 It showed us how important a governor is.

00:25:29.000 And we had governors like in Pennsylvania and California, New York, wielding their power for evil and for bad and for oppression and stripping of our rights.

00:25:35.000 And meanwhile, you know, South Dakota and especially Florida and Texas, you know, they showed us what a governor can do standing in the way of federal overreach.

00:25:43.000 And so my goal is basically to restore the freedom.

00:25:46.000 So defend your rights, to speak your mind, that you won't be a domestic terrorist nor targeted by law enforcement because you have a strong opinion.

00:25:52.000 As we saw in Loudoun County, when a dad of a young lady that was raped, the school board covered it up and he was hauled out and arrested. 0.68

00:25:59.000 Are you freaking kidding me?

00:26:00.000 That'll never happen.

00:26:01.000 You know, and one other thing here, you know, in this culture that Wolf and Shapiro have created in Pennsylvania, they've demonized our law enforcement officials.

00:26:09.000 So obviously I'll have their backs.

00:26:11.000 But the whole goal here is to borrow from Reagan, you know, get the government off our backs and out of our wallets.

00:26:16.000 So that's how we start with that.

00:26:17.000 My first 100 days is to strip Pennsylvania of state regulations.

00:26:22.000 We're one of the heaviest regulated states in the nation.

00:26:24.000 We have 153,000 regulations that cost us everything.

00:26:28.000 My goal is the first 100 days to get underneath 100,000.

00:26:31.000 And then I'll be signing that piece of legislation into law inspired by Donald Trump, but it does exist in our state house and senate that every new regulation too have to go away.

00:26:39.000 So in every regard, I'll be pushing back the bureaucracy and putting the power back in people's hands.

00:26:44.000 And final question.

00:26:45.000 How are you going to, I mean, again, it's difficult where you are right now, push back against the ballot laundering and all this nonsense in downtown Philly.

00:26:54.000 I worry the people are with you, but there's just, it's just so screwy in downtown Philadelphia really quick.

00:27:01.000 Yeah, the bottom line is accountability and transparency.

00:27:04.000 You know, Wolf vetoed legislation I had to shore that up, just like hours away from becoming a law.

00:27:09.000 And so we need 20,000 sets of eyes, two people in every polling station in the state there for accountability.

00:27:15.000 And that's how we get control of this ridiculous system that we're in.

00:27:20.000 Josh Shapiro is part of.

00:27:21.000 Josh Shapiro is part of this scheme here of undermining elections.

00:27:24.000 He sued to keep businesses shut down.

00:27:26.000 He's sued to keep kids masked up.

00:27:28.000 Philadelphia is back in mass now, too, next week.

00:27:30.000 I mean, this is insane.

00:27:32.000 Doug, I want to plug your website, DougNumber4Gov.com, DougNumber4Gov.com.

00:27:39.000 You are challenging Josh Shapiro to some debates.

00:27:41.000 Tell us about that.

00:27:43.000 Yes.

00:27:44.000 And obviously, we don't want this to be how it's gone for Republicans where you're debating both the moderator who tends to be a liberal sympathetic to the Democrat candidate and a candidate.

00:27:53.000 And so we're offering Josh Shapiro this great opportunity here that he picks a location and hosts the debate.

00:27:59.000 And we each pick our own moderators.

00:28:02.000 So you'll have two moderators, and then I'll pick one.

00:28:04.000 90-minute debates, two of them in October. 0.95

00:28:07.000 We'll see if he's willing to have the courage to actually have a fair debate because obviously there's a lot of folks in the media that are like pom-pom girls for him.

00:28:13.000 I mean, the pieces they write about him, glowing reviews, and Masteriano, you know, this terrible person.

00:28:19.000 And so he's not going to agree to it, though. 0.99

00:28:21.000 The guy's a coward. 0.99

00:28:22.000 He hides behind a lifetime of politics. 1.00

00:28:26.000 He has visions of grandeur for himself.

00:28:29.000 And he's done such damage to Pennsylvania.

00:28:31.000 Rising crime. 0.99

00:28:32.000 He's such a snake. 0.89

00:28:34.000 Doug, I'm going to play a piece of tape here of another Pennsylvanian, Scott Perry, who had his cell phone taken by the FBI.

00:28:41.000 I want your reaction to this play cut six.

00:28:43.000 But, Maria, what they think this is about is intimidating anyone who refuses to bend the knee to the narrative, whether it's Scott Perry, whether it's President Trump, and with passing a bill that will pay for hiring of 87,000 IRS agents, tyranny is going to come right into everyone's living room very, very shortly.

00:29:02.000 Doug, your thoughts.

00:29:04.000 Yeah, it's disgusting to me.

00:29:05.000 It's massive overreach.

00:29:06.000 That combined what happened in Mar-a-Lago a couple days ago.

00:29:09.000 I mean, I fear for my country.

00:29:11.000 Yeah, I mean, but I mean, this is happening at a record rate and level.

00:29:16.000 They're trying to target you as well.

00:29:17.000 Isn't that right?

00:29:18.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:29:20.000 Got a subpoena this past March.

00:29:23.000 You know, supplied that, you know, I have Charlie.

00:29:26.000 I was a committee chair, and I can't imagine that I would get away with being able to kick off the Democrat members of the committee that I didn't like and bringing on compliant ones as the committee has done with the January 6th in the House.

00:29:38.000 But nobody in the media gives a crap because it advances their agenda and their talking points.

00:29:42.000 And so, you know, despite my misgivings, I provided the documents they asked for.

00:29:47.000 And then, of course, they had me to set up for an interview, a compelled interview, by the way, which I'm not sure that's even legal with legislative privilege.

00:29:55.000 But okay, I sat in it.

00:29:57.000 And all I asked, Charlie, since they're using it, releasing tidbits to make people look disloyal and make people look like clowns and to influence the midterms.

00:30:05.000 All we ask is that we record it.

00:30:07.000 And should they release anything out of context, we would have a recording of what was actually said in context.

00:30:13.000 And these people on the committee are so insistent that I could not do that.

00:30:17.000 And now I have to bring him to court and sue them.

00:30:19.000 So we're going to bring him to court and we're going to win because even CNN said that was a reasonable request by Masteriano.

00:30:26.000 So one of the reasons why I think you're going to win, Doug, and one of the reasons why I think that Josh Shapiro is in trouble is in the break, I went to Josh Shapiro's website and he's really disguising himself as a moderate.

00:30:40.000 Now, that might seem as if, oh, he's a, of course, he's a deceitful snake, all that stuff.

00:30:45.000 But I think he knows the electorate in Pennsylvania has changed, that he has to try to win over traditional Republicans.

00:30:52.000 You know, they say his vision for Pennsylvania, this is what Shapiro says, rising costs, a changing economy, unprecedented attacks on our democracy.

00:31:00.000 Yeah, right.

00:31:00.000 On civil rights and on the right to choose and a government that often just doesn't work quick enough.

00:31:06.000 I'm sorry, Josh.

00:31:06.000 What party's been in charge of Harrisburg for all these years?

00:31:11.000 And so his website, you know, is written deceptively, of course.

00:31:15.000 But, Doug, isn't there something to that?

00:31:17.000 That, I mean, this guy, he looks totally weak versus you.

00:31:20.000 You actually led people into war.

00:31:21.000 I don't know what this guy's ever led people into except chaos.

00:31:24.000 But there's something about Pennsylvania where you have a little bit of an independent streak in you guys, don't you?

00:31:30.000 We do.

00:31:31.000 Many people have registered independent, and that's really where this race is going to be won, Charlie, is with the independents.

00:31:37.000 And one of the last polls that we did had independents breaking for me 60%.

00:31:41.000 And that's after coming out of a brutal primary where I was assailed by the more liberal moderates of my own party with many millions of dollars spent hitting me.

00:31:51.000 And we've bounced out of that.

00:31:52.000 And the polls had me within either statistical dead heat.

00:31:55.000 Even one poll a few weeks ago had me two points ahead.

00:31:58.000 That's not bad, just really starting off this race here in a general election.

00:32:02.000 And so he has a record to run on, Josh Shapiro, my opponent, but he can't run on it since he's failed.

00:32:06.000 And as I mentioned before, he's the senior law enforcement official of the state.

00:32:10.000 And on his watch, things have gone sour.

00:32:12.000 Crime is through the roof.

00:32:13.000 Deaths are through the roof.

00:32:15.000 And the guy has to distract.

00:32:16.000 So he has to pretend all of a sudden, magically, he's become a moderate.

00:32:20.000 This guy is no moderate.

00:32:21.000 I mean, he's so bigoted.

00:32:23.000 Think about this.

00:32:24.000 He did not tolerate the religious views of the little sisters of the poor. 0.98

00:32:29.000 Yes. 0.80

00:32:29.000 And he took those nuns all the way to the Supreme Court, spending millions in Pennsylvania tax dollars, and he lost. 0.80

00:32:34.000 But that's how radical this guy is.

00:32:36.000 This guy is either you go to his website.

00:32:39.000 He's so artificial.

00:32:40.000 It's so synthetic.

00:32:41.000 He's being totally propped up by special interests.

00:32:45.000 Okay, the website, it's a little goofy, everybody.

00:32:47.000 It's DougNumber4Gov.com.

00:32:51.000 That is Doug number, yeah, okay, yeah, if people can see it.

00:32:54.000 DougNumber4Gov.com.

00:32:56.000 Doug's a fighter.

00:32:57.000 The Republican establishment.

00:32:59.000 I'm not going to say this on air.

00:33:00.000 I know way too much.

00:33:01.000 I learned a lot in the last couple of days.

00:33:03.000 But there have been all clear orders at the top levels of some Republican establishment groups saying do not support Mastriano.

00:33:10.000 That's all I'm going to say.

00:33:11.000 So just help them out.

00:33:12.000 DougNumber4Gov.com.

00:33:14.000 And then also we have coming up in just a couple of days our event with Ron DeSantis and Doug Mastriano in Pittsburgh.

00:33:23.000 Ron DeSantis and Doug Mastriano in Wyndham, Grand Pittsburgh downtown Unite and Win rally.

00:33:30.000 Let's show our support, everybody.

00:33:32.000 Josh Shapiro, he can't have anybody show up.

00:33:34.000 Let's support Doug Mastriano, DougNumber4Gov.com.

00:33:39.000 Again, the details for our event will be at tpaction.com.

00:33:42.000 Doug, great job.

00:33:44.000 Keep fighting.

00:33:44.000 Don't believe the polls.

00:33:45.000 I think you can win this thing.

00:33:46.000 Thank you so much.

00:33:47.000 We're going to win it.

00:33:48.000 Thank you, brother.

00:33:49.000 God bless.

00:33:52.000 It's one of my favorite places in the world.

00:33:56.000 If you have never been to Alaska, I'm telling you, you are missing out.

00:34:01.000 It's unlike any other place on the planet.

00:34:04.000 I love Colorado.

00:34:05.000 I love Montana.

00:34:06.000 Alaska is a totally different beast. 0.98

00:34:08.000 And it has phenomenal people, tough people.

00:34:12.000 They love the country.

00:34:14.000 They love liberty.

00:34:15.000 They love the Lord.

00:34:16.000 And I've been so disappointed and let down in how Alaska has been represented by Lisa Murkowski.

00:34:27.000 So we have the ability to defeat the Cheney dynasty today.

00:34:32.000 And today, the Murkowski dynasty will not be defeated, but will have a better idea of exactly who will the final runnings be in the attempt to try and defeat Lisa Murkowski.

00:34:46.000 It's a very complicated situation happening right now in Alaska.

00:34:50.000 And the candidate that we are behind, one of my favorite candidates in the country, who hopefully will be the next senator for the great state of Alaska, Kelly Shabaka.

00:34:59.000 Kelly for AK.com is her website.

00:35:02.000 Kelly, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:35:05.000 I'm so happy to be with you, Charlie.

00:35:06.000 Thank you so much for having me.

00:35:08.000 And you totally nailed the last name, The Force is with us.

00:35:11.000 Okay, good.

00:35:12.000 I was nervous about that for the last couple hours.

00:35:15.000 So, Kelly, tell me about your race.

00:35:17.000 It's very complicated with ranked choice voting and kind of the current situation at hand.

00:35:24.000 What are you, what race are you basically in right now?

00:35:28.000 Is it ranked choice voting?

00:35:29.000 Is it not?

00:35:29.000 Explain to our listeners.

00:35:31.000 Well, I think the most interesting thing to know is Project Veritas has exposed that Murkowski colluded with her campaign staff to deceive Alaskans in order to manipulate this re-engineered election system so she would have some kind of a fighting chance to keep her Senate seat.

00:35:47.000 This is the first time we're going through this election process.

00:35:50.000 If we had a straight-up fair election, she would be retiring today. 1.00

00:35:54.000 She'd have no chance of getting through a party primary.

00:35:56.000 But with this new election system, this is how it works.

00:35:59.000 Today, all candidates, regardless of party, are going forward through the quote primary process.

00:36:05.000 It's basically a filtering.

00:36:07.000 There's about 20 candidates for the U.S. Senate position, all parties, and the four candidates who get the most votes will move through this process to the general election.

00:36:16.000 I expect it will be me, Murkowski, the strongly funded Democrat position, and then a fourth candidate.

00:36:23.000 I don't know who that'll be.

00:36:24.000 We'll go to the November election.

00:36:26.000 And then again, all voters will come in and they'll get to vote.

00:36:29.000 They get to vote for all four candidates or just one candidate, an option of ranking.

00:36:34.000 So you put the candidate that you want for your number one.

00:36:37.000 And then if you want to, you can pick your backup candidate as number two, and then your backup, backup candidate is number three.

00:36:43.000 You can do that up to four times.

00:36:45.000 If one candidate gets more than 50% of the votes, that candidate wins on round one.

00:36:50.000 That is possible in Alaska.

00:36:52.000 Historically, 54% of Alaskans vote for the Republican candidate.

00:36:57.000 And I am the only candidate on the ballot that's raised more than $50,000 to the right of Murkowski.

00:37:03.000 And we are in the millions of dollars raised.

00:37:05.000 And so it's looking good that we're going to win this race, especially with the endorsement of their Alaska Republican Party and President Trump.

00:37:12.000 And then if someone doesn't get 50% on round one, the fourth candidate drops off the ballot.

00:37:18.000 The people who are ranked two, three, and four under the fourth candidate, their votes get reallocated to the top three.

00:37:24.000 Then the third candidate drops off the ballot.

00:37:27.000 Their votes for second, third, and fourth place get reallocated to the top two candidates.

00:37:32.000 And it essentially becomes a runoff between those top two.

00:37:35.000 And I expect, though I don't know, it'll be a runoff between me and Murkowski who gets the most votes.

00:37:40.000 Now, fortunately, Lisa Murkowski is only planning on picking up a lot of Democrat votes. 1.00

00:37:45.000 Most Republicans have completely turned against her.

00:37:48.000 She has to claw her way to the top with a smattering of second, third, and fourth place votes when she's done things like lost her NRA endorsement.

00:37:56.000 She's voted both for and against abortion.

00:37:59.000 So nobody on either side of those issues trusts her.

00:38:02.000 And she's voting 70% or more of the time with Joe Biden, who has just pursued an energy-annihilating agenda against Alaska, killing our jobs and crushing our families and driving up inflation, making it really hard to live here.

00:38:14.000 That was one of the most confusing things I've ever heard in my entire life.

00:38:17.000 And you did a wonderful job walking us through it.

00:38:20.000 Who designed this exactly?

00:38:22.000 I mean, this is, I mean, March madness makes more sense than this.

00:38:27.000 This is insane.

00:38:28.000 You're absolutely right.

00:38:29.000 I could design a flowchart and I try and explain it to people with objects on a table, makes it a little bit easier.

00:38:36.000 But it was absolutely designed by the political consultants who work for Lisa Murkowski's campaign.

00:38:46.000 And these undercover videos from Project Veritas show Lisa Murkowski completely knew about it and was behind it because this is the only way she can hope to maintain her 41-year Murkowski monarchy.

00:38:57.000 The Murkowski's passed down our Senate seat like a birthright.

00:39:01.000 She was actually appointed to her Senate seat by her father when he was elected governor.

00:39:05.000 She was never originally elected to this seat, and she's never had 50% or more of the vote in Alaska, which means that even when she was popular, most of Alaska has never liked Lisa Murkowski.

00:39:15.000 But this year, she's very unpopular, which is why I'm confident we're going to win this election.

00:39:20.000 We just need to fund the race.

00:39:22.000 Yeah, so one of the reasons I think they put forward ranked choice voting is that the second place person tends to actually benefit from this.

00:39:30.000 And so, this is not what's happening today.

00:39:32.000 I think you'll be fine.

00:39:33.000 I think you're going to easily advance into the November runoff.

00:39:37.000 Is that what they call it?

00:39:38.000 Or November general?

00:39:39.000 Or the language is so confusing.

00:39:43.000 Are you going to tell voters just to vote for you and not have a second choice pick?

00:39:46.000 Is that the smart thing to do?

00:39:49.000 That is absolutely the smart thing to do, mostly because it keeps it simple.

00:39:53.000 We want to make sure that we don't accidentally suppress voter turnout because, just like you said, Charlie, the system's so confusing, and people already have a little bit of a mistrust of elections because of what happened in 2020.

00:40:07.000 This makes it even worse.

00:40:08.000 We want as much of a voter turnout as possible.

00:40:11.000 Remember, this Senate seat often is the deciding or tiebreaking vote that determines the outcome of the nation.

00:40:17.000 How many times do we wake up and go, I wonder how Lisa Murkowski is going to vote today? 1.00

00:40:22.000 And this year, this Senate seat comes down to a thousand or so votes, couple thousand votes in Alaska.

00:40:29.000 Remember, the Republican primary in Pennsylvania with over a million people voting came down to less than a thousand votes.

00:40:36.000 We're expecting maybe 280,000 people voting in Alaska.

00:40:41.000 And that's going to decide the Senate. 0.83

00:40:43.000 In the general in November?

00:40:45.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:40:47.000 It is.

00:40:48.000 And it will decide whether or not Lisa Murkowski maintains this seat, which is the decision vote for many of the radical nominees or the legislation that happens that determines the outcome of the nation. 0.62

00:41:00.000 And so Alaskans have a lot of power this year.

00:41:03.000 And we want to make sure that there's not a bunch of people who stay home just because they don't trust ranked choice voting.

00:41:08.000 So if you want to keep it simple, vote for Kelly number one in November and just leave the rest of your ballot blank.

00:41:14.000 It doesn't invalidate your ballot.

00:41:15.000 Your vote won't get thrown out.

00:41:17.000 Funny business won't happen.

00:41:18.000 It's just the most simple way to get as many people to turn out as possible.

00:41:22.000 This is crazy.

00:41:23.000 And so just really quick, there is kind of a concern, though, amongst some people that aren't big Murkowski fans, and I know them and they don't like Murkowski, that the Republicans are going to divide themselves and that the Democrat will win because Alaska has some Democrat sympathies.

00:41:43.000 Is there any truth to that?

00:41:45.000 What is your opinion of that?

00:41:47.000 That is just not reflected in the data at all.

00:41:49.000 I've heard some whispers of concerns about that.

00:41:51.000 You got to remember in Alaska, Democrat is essentially a bad word, which is why Lisa Murkowski won't call herself a Democrat, even though she votes like a Democrat, is funded by Democrats and is endorsed by Democrat.

00:42:03.000 She can't call herself a Democrat because we are a state that voted for President Trump by double digits twice.

00:42:10.000 And nobody has made more President Trump fans than Joe Biden.

00:42:13.000 So I'm sure that we're going to have even stronger representation for common sense conservative values this year.

00:42:19.000 I don't think that our Democrats are going to pick up a whole lot of votes and enthusiasm this year.

00:42:25.000 We can see in the data that most Republicans, like 90% plus, have left Murkowski and are not going back no matter what they do.

00:42:32.000 We're not splitting that vote.

00:42:34.000 The real question is, how many of the Democrats are really going to line up behind Lisa Murkowski when she's voted both ways on gun control?

00:42:42.000 She votes both ways on abortion.

00:42:43.000 She votes both ways on everything.

00:42:45.000 Nobody can trust Lisa Murkowski. 0.55

00:42:47.000 She lies.

00:42:48.000 She says one thing to us and does the opposite in Washington, D.C.

00:42:51.000 She doesn't vote in Alaska's best interest. 0.99

00:42:54.000 She's funded by dark money outside the state.

00:42:56.000 So we see that a lot of our common sense Democrats are lining up behind our campaign because they know that they're going to actually get results and not rhetoric.

00:43:05.000 Even if we don't always agree on everything, at least we know that we'll get things delivered for Alaska.

00:43:09.000 It's well said.

00:43:10.000 It's an important day today in Alaska. 1.00

00:43:12.000 It'll be interesting to see kind of how the votes are tallied, but it's not the end of it, this stupid system. 0.98

00:43:18.000 It's kelly4ak.com. 0.99

00:43:21.000 Is that right?

00:43:22.000 That's right.

00:43:22.000 We could use your help.

00:43:23.000 Kelly4ak.com.

00:43:25.000 So we win.

00:43:26.000 Thank you, Kelly.

00:43:26.000 Good luck.

00:43:27.000 We're behind you.

00:43:28.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:43:29.000 Everybody, email me your thoughts as always.

00:43:30.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:43:32.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:43:33.000 God bless.

00:43:36.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 17, 2022

Dethroning Two American Political Dynasties

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