The Charlie Kirk Show - March 07, 2023


Detransitioning with Oli London


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He tried to become something he is not, and he regretted it. Ollie London has a warning for all of you parents, for all you grandparents: listen to this entire episode and send it to your friends. It is chilling.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:00.000 Today in the Charlie Kirk Show, Ollie London joins us for a powerful hour.
00:00:05.000 He tried to become something he is not.
00:00:07.000 He tried to become a woman and he regretted it. 0.98
00:00:10.000 Detransition, he has a warning for all of you parents, for all you grandparents.
00:00:13.000 Listen to this entire episode and send it to your friends.
00:00:16.000 It is chilling.
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00:01:15.000 I am told by campus activists that we are not allowing enough young people the opportunity to chop off their breasts or chemically castrate themselves.
00:01:25.000 I am told when I go on college campuses that it's affirming care to have 11-year-olds go in multi-hour surgery to try to change their biology.
00:01:36.000 Very powerful story we have this hour incorporates the story of Ollie London.
00:01:42.000 Ollie has a new book coming out called Detransition, a memoir.
00:01:46.000 And I'm going to allow Ollie to tell his story here because it's very powerful and it applies directly to the times that we are living in.
00:01:54.000 Ollie, welcome to the program.
00:01:56.000 Hey, Charlie, great to meet you.
00:01:58.000 So, Ollie, why don't you tell your story to our audience and we'll go from there?
00:02:02.000 Right.
00:02:02.000 So, as a young kid, I always questioned my gender.
00:02:05.000 I used to be a little bit more feminine.
00:02:07.000 So, I would play with Barbie dolls.
00:02:09.000 I wasn't interested in sports.
00:02:11.000 I wasn't interested in boys' things.
00:02:13.000 And as I became a teenager at school, you know, that's a very difficult time when you're going through puberty.
00:02:18.000 You always question yourself.
00:02:19.000 You know, some people get confused.
00:02:21.000 And at the time, I was confused.
00:02:23.000 I used to get bullied a lot for the way I looked. 0.78
00:02:26.000 You know, people would call me ugly, horrible names.
00:02:29.000 Girls wouldn't want to date me when I was at school. 1.00
00:02:31.000 They said I was too feminine or too much like a girl.
00:02:33.000 So I always had questions about my gender.
00:02:36.000 And, you know, I was kind of listening to what people are saying about me.
00:02:38.000 And I thought, you know what?
00:02:40.000 I want to prove these bullies wrong.
00:02:41.000 I want to change myself.
00:02:42.000 I want to make myself look better.
00:02:45.000 So as I became an adult, I started having surgery.
00:02:49.000 I was living in Korea.
00:02:50.000 I liked the Korean aesthetics.
00:02:51.000 So it really started from there.
00:02:53.000 And I got to a point where I'd had dozens of plastic surgeries over a 10-year period.
00:02:58.000 And I still wasn't happy.
00:03:00.000 And I'd always had people telling me I was more feminine.
00:03:03.000 I was more like a girl, you know, all throughout my life.
00:03:05.000 So I got to a point where I was like, maybe these people are right.
00:03:10.000 Maybe I've been chasing, you know, all this plastic surgery, all this perfection.
00:03:14.000 Maybe I'm misplacing this.
00:03:16.000 And maybe I'm meant to be a trans.
00:03:18.000 So I actually had 11 facial feminization surgery procedures, which were so painful, couldn't even open my eyes for three days.
00:03:25.000 And that was to feminize my face.
00:03:27.000 I got hair extensions.
00:03:29.000 I was living as a transgender woman, going out in public.
00:03:32.000 You know, I was at the Cairns Film Festival wearing dresses.
00:03:35.000 And, you know, I was happy for a short time.
00:03:38.000 It was a temporary fix, which I think many people that transition, they have that temporary serotonin, that dopamine rush.
00:03:45.000 And then after a while, that kind of evaporates.
00:03:49.000 And then you realize, wow, I've made a mistake.
00:03:52.000 So I detransitioned late last year when I got to a point and I was like, why have I done this to myself?
00:03:58.000 studied going to church and realized, you know, there's more to life than trying to pursue someone, you know, trying to become someone that you're not.
00:04:06.000 And I finally kind of found happiness from within.
00:04:10.000 So let's kind of go back a little bit in time.
00:04:13.000 At what age were you when you started to get surgical interventions to try to change your aesthetic, your appearance, or what you thought of yourself to be?
00:04:27.000 So it wasn't as a teenager for me because surgery wasn't really accessible.
00:04:31.000 But when I moved to South Korea, South Korea is actually the plastic surgery capital of the world.
00:04:36.000 They perform a million procedures every year.
00:04:38.000 Wow.
00:04:38.000 So, you know, there's a real social pressure over there to look a certain way.
00:04:42.000 And, you know, you see these K-pop stars, you see billboards of beautiful people.
00:04:46.000 And that is a sign of success.
00:04:48.000 That is a sign of happiness.
00:04:49.000 So it shows you that in order to succeed in life, you need to look a certain way.
00:04:53.000 So I really started from there.
00:04:54.000 I really hated the way I looked.
00:04:56.000 You know, I had terrible body dysmorphia, gender dysphoria.
00:04:59.000 And, you know, many of these Korean pop stars, they look very feminine. 0.99
00:05:03.000 So I was going for that look.
00:05:05.000 And it really became an unhealthy addiction.
00:05:07.000 And, you know, surgery is like that for many young people.
00:05:12.000 And I just became so confused with my identity, so unhappy.
00:05:16.000 I wanted to reinvent myself.
00:05:18.000 You know, I loved Korea.
00:05:19.000 I loved Korean people.
00:05:20.000 I wanted to fit in there.
00:05:22.000 And, you know, I felt like I fitted in.
00:05:24.000 And these days, Charlie, all of these trans activists, all of these non-binary people, they constantly preach that you can identify as whatever you want.
00:05:33.000 So I was like, why not?
00:05:34.000 You know, I love Korea.
00:05:35.000 I want to be Korean.
00:05:36.000 Why not?
00:05:37.000 You know, I didn't see the harm in it.
00:05:38.000 In retrospect, I realized it was very delusional.
00:05:42.000 And I was kind of having a mental health crisis based on this surgery addiction and wanting to change my identity.
00:05:49.000 And then obviously I became a woman because I was still very confused.
00:05:52.000 And, you know, I finally woke up to that.
00:05:55.000 And I'm very happy with where I am right now.
00:05:57.000 Okay.
00:05:58.000 I have several questions and I want to encourage you and thank you for your willingness to speak out because I'm sure there's a fair amount of people that are coming after you because of what you're saying and doing.
00:06:10.000 So let me ask the question this way, which is when you started to doubt your transition to a woman, and I put that in quotes.
00:06:21.000 Walk us through that.
00:06:23.000 What did you feel like?
00:06:25.000 What did you begin to ask yourself?
00:06:28.000 Was it outside influences?
00:06:30.000 That's very interesting to me.
00:06:33.000 Right.
00:06:33.000 So I'd had all of this surgery.
00:06:35.000 I'd had the hair extensions.
00:06:36.000 I was going out in public as a transgender woman.
00:06:40.000 But, you know, I was always very respectful.
00:06:42.000 I would never use women's spaces. 1.00
00:06:43.000 I was, you know, I've always, you know, respected women.
00:06:47.000 But, you know, I got to a point where I was thinking, do I need to get more surgery?
00:06:51.000 Why am I not happy?
00:06:52.000 I kept questioning myself.
00:06:53.000 I'm still not happy.
00:06:54.000 I've done this transition.
00:06:56.000 I've changed my entire identity.
00:06:58.000 I'm still really unhappy inside.
00:07:00.000 So I realized, you know, I'm either going to get loads more surgery.
00:07:03.000 I'm going to transition fully or I can take a step back and reflect on what I'm doing and reflect that this is never going to make me happy.
00:07:10.000 You know, changing your entire body, changing your identity, changing your gender is never going to make you happy. 1.00
00:07:16.000 It's just a temporary fix.
00:07:17.000 So I realized that the wake-up moment was really, I was thinking, I'm either going to do more surgery or I'm going to stop this.
00:07:24.000 And I started going to church and just spending time there.
00:07:27.000 I'd close my eyes.
00:07:28.000 I would pray, you know, trying to find a solution.
00:07:30.000 I would speak with fellow Christians in the church and they would, they were non-judgmental.
00:07:35.000 They were very nice to me.
00:07:37.000 And then I started reading passages from the Bible and it just made me realize, you know, God creates people, you know, the way they are and there's no need to change.
00:07:45.000 So I kind of, you know, found that message very helpful with my story.
00:07:50.000 And, you know, I just realized I need to get back to the real me.
00:07:54.000 So you say something interesting, which is almost that you were pursuing happiness.
00:07:59.000 Do you think a majority of people that go through surgical interventions are actually trying to pursue some sort of happiness?
00:08:08.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:08:09.000 And I think this is the case with we're seeing across the U.S., you know, thousands of teens being put in the gender affirming care system.
00:08:16.000 And, you know, they love to use the word care as if it's helping these kids when really it's actually putting kids in harm's way.
00:08:22.000 So, you know, a lot of people feel that this is a solution.
00:08:25.000 And a lot of doctors tell the kids and their parents, this is going to answer all of their problems.
00:08:30.000 It's going to prevent suicide.
00:08:32.000 It's going to prevent all of the depression symptoms they currently have.
00:08:35.000 So, you know, we're seeing it as a fix, but it's actually a very temporary fix because, you know, in many cases, we're seeing thousands of teens detransition.
00:08:44.000 Many cases, they were only happy for six months.
00:08:46.000 They were only happy for a very short time before they realized they'd made a huge mistake.
00:08:51.000 So I think, you know, in the age of social media, in the modern age, everybody wants a quick fix, right?
00:08:57.000 A lot of people have mental health struggles these days, especially since the pandemic.
00:09:01.000 And people want that happiness.
00:09:02.000 They want that dopamine rush.
00:09:03.000 So they think if I go to a doctor, they can give me hormones. 0.81
00:09:06.000 They can give me puberty blockers.
00:09:08.000 They can cut off my body parts. 0.68
00:09:10.000 I'm going to be happy. 0.84
00:09:11.000 And then they realize after a few months, wow, I've made a terrible mistake.
00:09:14.000 But at that point, it's irreversible and they've done a terrible harm to their body.
00:09:19.000 So I'm going to ask you a question that might be hard to quantify, but the regret you felt once you felt that regret, was it greater than any happiness high that you felt?
00:09:30.000 I know that might be a hard equation, but does that make sense?
00:09:36.000 Yeah, I mean, I only ever really had temporary happiness.
00:09:39.000 So I've had 32 surgeries in total.
00:09:42.000 So I've had six nose surgeries, jaw surgery, chin.
00:09:44.000 So, you know, I've done a lot of things to myself.
00:09:47.000 And every time I was only happy for a couple of months, and then I would want more.
00:09:51.000 And I think that's the case with many young people these days.
00:09:54.000 They want more.
00:09:55.000 They're never happy.
00:09:56.000 And they think, you know, having a surgery, changing their gender is the solution when it's really, really not. 0.99
00:10:02.000 So for me, it was a temporary happiness.
00:10:05.000 And I deeply regret what I went through now.
00:10:08.000 And almost, you know, I have a lot of followers on TikTok and Instagram.
00:10:11.000 I almost feel like I was a very bad influence, you know, because I was very open sharing my journey and stuff.
00:10:17.000 And, you know, now I'm actually realizing, you know, how harmful it can be for young people when they see influences online.
00:10:24.000 So I'm trying to be a positive influence and speak up, you know, because no child should be medically transitioned. 1.00
00:10:30.000 You know, no woman should feel unsafe in their own space and parents need to retain their rights. 1.00
00:10:34.000 So, no, I regret my past, but I'm trying to make amends.
00:10:38.000 You know, I'm trying to redeem all of that.
00:10:41.000 No, no, no, I'm not trying to, you know, open up closed wounds. 0.87
00:10:44.000 I'm just trying to communicate to some people out there that legitimately think they're doing something loving by chopping off an 11-year-old's breasts. 0.54
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00:11:58.000 Ali, I have several questions here.
00:12:00.000 Let me begin by asking you, what is your current advice to a young person right now or a parent that feels as if medical transition, I put that in quotes because you actually don't transition.
00:12:16.000 is the only option.
00:12:17.000 In fact, parents email me, they say, Charlie, I just got back from the doctor and they say, would you rather have a trans son or a dead daughter?
00:12:27.000 What is your response to that?
00:12:28.000 Absolutely.
00:12:29.000 And that's the typical response of doctors.
00:12:31.000 They try to coerce parents and children and pressure them that if you do not transition this child, you're going to have a dead child.
00:12:38.000 Well, actually, I think it's the opposite because these children don't realize just how much it changes the body, just how much it messes with the brain when they have all these hormones, these puberty blockers.
00:12:48.000 And for a girl, we're seeing many cases now, mostly girls transitioning to boys.
00:12:53.000 If they want to totally do the surgeries and everything, they actually have to have a massive chunk of their arm taken out, which scars them for life to recreate body parts.
00:13:02.000 And it's just, it's literally like what Dr. Mengel did during World War II, you know, experimenting on vulnerable children.
00:13:08.000 And we've seen, you know, to every child that's considering this, don't do it.
00:13:12.000 We're seeing studies coming out now.
00:13:14.000 There was a study in the top gender clinic in Finland the other day.
00:13:19.000 The top gender clinic professor said that four out of five children, teens, they grow out of the gender.
00:13:26.000 Most people grow out of it.
00:13:28.000 They grow up to be healthy adults.
00:13:29.000 They're very happy that they didn't transition.
00:13:32.000 So to any child, you know, you might be feeling like this now.
00:13:35.000 For girls, you know, some girls are tomboys. 1.00
00:13:37.000 They want to play soccer.
00:13:38.000 They want to be outside.
00:13:39.000 That's absolutely fine.
00:13:40.000 And some boys are a little bit more girly.
00:13:42.000 But medically transitioning is never, ever the answer. 1.00
00:13:45.000 It's going to give them so many health problems.
00:13:48.000 It's also so bad for mental health.
00:13:48.000 They're going to regret it.
00:13:51.000 You know, it's really increases depression.
00:13:53.000 It increases blood pressure levels.
00:13:56.000 Most of these children have now a higher risk of having diabetes and heart conditions.
00:14:00.000 The study in Finland even said there's a much higher risk of having a stroke or a heart attack on someone that takes testosterone or estrogen on a long-term basis.
00:14:09.000 So kids, don't do it.
00:14:11.000 You're going to grow out of this.
00:14:12.000 It's absolutely fine.
00:14:13.000 And parents, you know, parents always want the best for their kids.
00:14:16.000 But sadly, many doctors and teachers are giving these parents the wrong information.
00:14:21.000 And we have places like California and Oregon, which are sanctuary states, where a child can be there 15 years old without the parents' knowledge or consent.
00:14:30.000 And these doctors can medically transition and mutilate these children.
00:14:34.000 It's no different to what happens in Somalia with female genital mutilation.
00:14:38.000 That is outlawed.
00:14:39.000 The United Nations, you know, has a very strong response against that.
00:14:44.000 Everybody knows that's bad.
00:14:45.000 So why on earth are we doing the same in America, in the UK and other countries?
00:14:49.000 It's literally like a science experiment.
00:14:52.000 It's awful.
00:14:53.000 Parents are being told it's their only option.
00:14:56.000 People that support this look at it as gender affirming care and they say it's loving and compassionate, when in reality it is cruel and it is harsh and severe.
00:15:10.000 Ali, you mentioned Dr. Mengele.
00:15:13.000 I think that's important because he's not the only doctor of the last hundred years to do something awful and evil, right?
00:15:20.000 Dr. Kvorkian or Dr. Kinsey.
00:15:23.000 But they do this under the veneer of healthcare.
00:15:29.000 Help explain that.
00:15:30.000 We have a couple minutes for the break.
00:15:32.000 They say it is healthcare and doctors would never do anything wrong.
00:15:37.000 That's the response I receive, your response.
00:15:40.000 Well, that's exactly how they justify it, you know, and especially a lot of LGBT organizations are pushing this.
00:15:46.000 You have the human rights campaign.
00:15:48.000 You have the GLAD organization.
00:15:50.000 They're very aggressive with their approach to medically transition children.
00:15:54.000 And it's so, so dangerous to have that narrative, but they pretend it's loving, it's caring.
00:15:59.000 And if you don't support that as a parent, you are a terrible parent.
00:16:03.000 You're called a narcissist.
00:16:04.000 You're, in many cases, we have now Washington State, they're trying to take kids away from their parents and put them in foster care because that parent doesn't want their kid to medically transition.
00:16:13.000 I mean, that does not sound like America.
00:16:16.000 That sounds like communism.
00:16:17.000 It sounds like something that would happen in North Korea or Russia.
00:16:21.000 You know, why is this happening in America?
00:16:23.000 It is an absolute horror story.
00:16:25.000 And, you know, you have people like Senator Scott Wiener, who is behind many of the California laws.
00:16:29.000 He sponsors all of these bills.
00:16:31.000 He is terrible.
00:16:32.000 You see him at pride parades in BDSM gear, promoting these things. 0.89
00:16:36.000 He was even behind a law to help paedophiles basically to get them off the sex offenders register.
00:16:42.000 I mean, he has a real evil agenda.
00:16:44.000 And these people, you know, they mask their agenda with smiles, with, you know, colorful flags.
00:16:49.000 And, you know, it's all about accepting and loving.
00:16:52.000 And you have these drag queens that are performing very sexually explicit shows in front of children. 1.00
00:16:57.000 But if you dare to question that, you're called transphobic.
00:17:00.000 And we need to change that narrative.
00:17:02.000 I saw, obviously, Michael Knowles at CPAC, and, you know, he did use very strong language.
00:17:07.000 But, you know, I think, you know, he was totally misquoted by the mainstream media.
00:17:10.000 He was simply trying to say, we need to get this out of public life.
00:17:14.000 We should not be having kids attending drag shows.
00:17:16.000 We should not be having schools pushing this on kids with these books in these libraries teaching kids about sex.
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00:18:40.000 So, Ali, I'm going to play some pieces of tape here and we're going to go through this.
00:18:43.000 I think it's really important.
00:18:44.000 But before we do, I just want to make sure you had an opportunity to tell one part of your story that you mentioned that I was saving for later in our conversation.
00:18:53.000 You said you found God.
00:18:55.000 Why was that transformational in your process regarding your struggle with your gender identity?
00:19:03.000 So, it was something that I really needed.
00:19:05.000 And I got to a point, you know, for most of these people have mental health struggles that are changed in their gender, that are non-binary, you know, many of them.
00:19:13.000 And, you know, firstly, doctors should have a duty of care.
00:19:16.000 You know, they should be looking at these factors.
00:19:18.000 We're seeing many kids that have autism, many kids that have depression or suicidal tendencies.
00:19:24.000 They are being diagnosed with gender dysphoria and being medically transitioned.
00:19:29.000 So, you know, I suffered with depression.
00:19:31.000 I suffered with body dysmorphia for most of my life.
00:19:34.000 I've managed to overcome that now.
00:19:35.000 But really, going to church helped me overcome that because I was so lost.
00:19:39.000 I was like a lost sheep, you know, alone in the wilderness, which is what many of these, you know, kids that are transitioning. 1.00
00:19:46.000 They, you know, they're welcomed into this cult, this trans cult, and then suddenly they're outcasts. 1.00
00:19:50.000 So I was very confused.
00:19:52.000 I was very lost.
00:19:52.000 And just going to church gave me solace.
00:19:54.000 It gave me meaning in life.
00:19:56.000 And I've been missing that meaning my whole life.
00:19:58.000 You know, I've been struggling with identity, but it was almost, you know, in reflection and narcissistic pursuit.
00:20:03.000 I just wanted to look a certain way.
00:20:05.000 I wanted to change every single detail about me.
00:20:08.000 And I realized, you know, God made me and God makes all of us the way he does.
00:20:14.000 So, you know, yes.
00:20:16.000 Exactly.
00:20:17.000 So why on earth should I or anybody be trying to change that?
00:20:21.000 You know, instead, it should focus on what's inside and also focus on, you know, kindness.
00:20:26.000 As I've learned from many of the stories with Jesus, you know, when he went to cleanse the leper, this person that was outcast by society, Jesus went to cleanse him of his sins.
00:20:35.000 You know, that I found very powerful in the sense that, you know, we all need to speak up for others.
00:20:41.000 So going to church and finding God made me realize, you know, I need to stop this crazy pursuit.
00:20:47.000 And it was insanity.
00:20:48.000 It was, I acknowledge it was a mental health crisis, you know, to stop this insanity and actually stop what's going on right now.
00:20:54.000 So it's given me purpose that, you know, Jesus was trying to help the world.
00:20:58.000 I want to also try to help people and, you know, warn these kids and warn parents because we need to restore parental rights.
00:21:04.000 We need to protect children.
00:21:05.000 And many of these kids are being influenced by TikTok and other apps to transition.
00:21:10.000 Do you think TikTok is playing a major role in this crisis?
00:21:15.000 If I said that a couple of weeks ago and the media came after me, I said TikTok is making kids more likely to identify as trans.
00:21:22.000 Is that true?
00:21:24.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:21:24.000 I mean, 60% of U.S. teens are on TikTok.
00:21:27.000 They spend on average 91 minutes per day.
00:21:30.000 So, you know, kids are addicted to TikTok.
00:21:32.000 We have 11, 12-year-olds going on to TikTok.
00:21:35.000 They're scrolling through the videos.
00:21:36.000 They're seeing Dylan Mulvaney.
00:21:38.000 They're seeing Jeffrey Marsh, who is basically grooming these kids, basically telling them to cut off their parents, telling them to transition.
00:21:44.000 And it's harmful.
00:21:45.000 You know, social media is meant to be uplifting.
00:21:48.000 It's meant to be about sharing positive things.
00:21:50.000 And if you look at China's version of TikTok, which is called Doo Yen, all of the videos are about patriotism, about education, about skill sharing.
00:21:59.000 And you go on the American TikTok and you've got, you know, a man in a dress in a woman's toilet bragging. 0.60
00:22:04.000 You know, you've got this Jeffrey Marsh guy, you know, telling kids to cut off their parents, to change their gender, and they should message him privately.
00:22:12.000 This is very dangerous because these people, you know, they might feel like they're trans, but they shouldn't be pushing that on other people.
00:22:19.000 And I think it's very, very harmful.
00:22:20.000 I think TikTok needs to be looked at.
00:22:22.000 I know the Republicans and the GOP are looking at that because, you know, TikTok is definitely pushing something.
00:22:29.000 It needs to be.
00:22:30.000 I believe it completely and totally.
00:22:32.000 And the adults that run DC, they haven't listened to us and we've told them it's a social contagion.
00:22:38.000 I want to play this piece of tape here, Ollie.
00:22:40.000 There's a lot of different ways we can go with this.
00:22:42.000 Do we have the NBA team tape?
00:22:43.000 Do we have that one loaded, guys?
00:22:45.000 If not, we'll get to that in a second.
00:22:46.000 But all right, there's a very short piece of tape here.
00:22:49.000 So a National Basketball Association team, the Toronto Raptors, they made a video as to what women mean to them.
00:22:59.000 And it was in response to, you know, Beyonce once said that women run the world.
00:23:03.000 Why do you think they run the world?
00:23:05.000 One of them said, well, it's because they are the only one that can procreate and they bring life into this world.
00:23:09.000 They are now forced to apologize and say, no, that's actually not true.
00:23:14.000 Play Cut 29 for the video that the NBA team is now forced to apologize for.
00:23:19.000 Play Cut 29.
00:23:22.000 Girls run the world because they're the only one that can procreate. 1.00
00:23:25.000 They birth everybody.
00:23:27.000 All women are great because they're all queens. 1.00
00:23:32.000 Now, that little thing right there has now caused a firestorm and the NBA has apologized for being anti-trans.
00:23:39.000 Ali, your reaction.
00:23:40.000 Well, you know, I think wokeness has really gone mad. 1.00
00:23:43.000 I mean, it's just become absolutely insane.
00:23:45.000 We saw the other day Hershey's had a man for their International Women's Day campaign.
00:23:49.000 We're seeing tampon brands having men advertising and saying that they're struggling with menstrual cycles.
00:23:55.000 It's just become such a joke.
00:23:57.000 Let's play cut 30 here when let's play cut 30.
00:24:00.000 What's the gender affirmation process? 0.99
00:24:02.000 Affirmation means that as a pediatrician, as someone who says my job is to provide the best medical care for you, is I need to listen really carefully.
00:24:13.000 And how I put it in words for kids so that they can understand it is, tell me your story.
00:24:18.000 Where have you been in terms of your gender and your gender identity?
00:24:22.000 Where are you right now?
00:24:24.000 And more excitingly, where would you like to be in the future?
00:24:28.000 That is a pediatrician who should be in jail who is asking a young child what they think of their gender identity and where they want to go.
00:24:36.000 Ollie, what is your reaction to that clip?
00:24:38.000 Well, I have seen Matt Walsh's documentary and I think he's done a fantastic job.
00:24:42.000 He's really leading the charge with combating this woke ideology.
00:24:46.000 And, you know, this is the problem.
00:24:48.000 This is what the pediatricians are like. 0.65
00:24:50.000 They're so delusional. 0.86
00:24:52.000 I think they believe their own delusions.
00:24:53.000 And, you know, they think it's perfectly normal to erase the word women.
00:24:57.000 They think it's absolutely fine for a man to suddenly self-identify, go into a women's safe space, or for men to compete in women's sport and for children to transition.
00:25:06.000 No, it's a delusion, but also we have to think these pediatricians, Charlie, they're profiting.
00:25:11.000 $2.2 billion was the amount that these gender clinics made last year. 0.99
00:25:15.000 There's over 100 pediatric clinics across the U.S. They're making so much money from this.
00:25:20.000 And, you know, they should be charged with crimes against humanity for what they're doing to children.
00:25:25.000 And parents that are willingly going alongside of it, it really shows me how awful some parents are in America.
00:25:31.000 And they're parenting out of fear too.
00:25:32.000 Play Cut 31.
00:25:33.000 This is, again, if you have not seen Matt Welsh's film, What is a Woman?
00:25:36.000 It is one of the most persuasive films I have ever seen on any topic, let alone this idea of social contagion.
00:25:44.000 Matt did an unbelievable job.
00:25:46.000 Play Cut 31.
00:25:48.000 Have you ever met a four-year-old who believes in Santa Claus?
00:25:54.000 So this is someone who believes that a fat man is traveling through the sky on a flying reindeer at lightning speed, coming down his chimney with presents.
00:26:03.000 Yeah.
00:26:04.000 Would you say that this is someone who maybe has a tenuous grasp on reality?
00:26:08.000 They have an appropriate four-year-old handle on the reality that's very real for them.
00:26:13.000 Agreed.
00:26:13.000 Agreed.
00:26:14.000 But Santa Claus is real for them, but Santa Claus is not actually real.
00:26:17.000 Yeah, well, but Santa Claus does deliver their Christmas presents.
00:26:21.000 Well, yeah, but he's not real, though.
00:26:23.000 To that child, they are.
00:26:27.000 Ollie, your thoughts?
00:26:29.000 Well, firstly, you can see that lady, she's got that passive-aggressive smile, which you see all too often with these people trying to push to transition children. 1.00
00:26:37.000 I mean, you can see that in her face, and she really believes what she's doing, transitioning children, is totally okay.
00:26:44.000 And I think that was a great analogy.
00:26:45.000 You know, Santa Claus isn't real, but kids think it's real.
00:26:49.000 But same with gender, you know, kids might be pushed that they can change their gender. 0.94
00:26:54.000 Doesn't mean they should.
00:26:55.000 And that really is an interesting thing.
00:26:57.000 So I can connect two parts.
00:26:59.000 So you have found God and praise God for that.
00:27:01.000 And you found Jesus, which is a belief in objective truth, right?
00:27:05.000 Is a belief in a transcendent order.
00:27:07.000 But for her, this criminal doctor who calls herself a pediatrician in Boston, she says that, well, you know, it's true to them.
00:27:19.000 What are the implications of that, Ollie?
00:27:21.000 I mean, then all of a sudden, man does whatever is right in his own eyes.
00:27:25.000 Well, absolutely.
00:27:26.000 And that's what we're seeing these days, Charlie, with self-identification.
00:27:30.000 We had a case in Scotland in the UK where this murderer decided to become trans so he'd get into a women's prison. 0.97
00:27:37.000 And they actually put him in the women's prison. 1.00
00:27:39.000 And then after that, he decided to become a baby.
00:27:42.000 And the prison service went along with it.
00:27:44.000 They gave him diapers, they gave him a dummy, and they were holding his hand when he left.
00:27:48.000 So, no, where does this end, Charlie?
00:27:50.000 You know, now they're targeting children.
00:27:52.000 The next thing is going to be transage, where adult men are identifying as babies. 0.97
00:27:56.000 We're seeing that, and they're pushing more and more extreme things.
00:27:59.000 And, you know, that's how they win this war they're trying to do on children. 0.52
00:28:03.000 They basically make things normal so that you accept it.
00:28:06.000 It might seem shocking now that a man is identifying as a baby, but in five years' time, the LGBT community, the alphabet, they're going to add that on there, you know, minor attracted people. 0.85
00:28:15.000 They're going to add that.
00:28:16.000 And if anybody questions that, they're transphobic or a bigot.
00:28:19.000 And I think that's the danger with this.
00:28:22.000 I mean, that's just the beginning of it.
00:28:23.000 You're right over the target, which is the death of absolute and objective truth will turn the entire society into chaos.
00:28:33.000 And language is how we represent things that are objectively true.
00:28:38.000 And the postmodernists, you go all the way back to One Dimensional Man, Herbert Marcuse, Jacques Derrida.
00:28:44.000 You go back to Michelle Foucault.
00:28:47.000 They've always been focused on language.
00:28:51.000 And this is one of the, this is the argument made in John 1 in the beginning was the word.
00:28:56.000 You need to be able to have agreed upon terms, the logos, or else you have absolute social anarchy, which I'm afraid is actually part of their goal.
00:29:05.000 I think they want more totalitarianism.
00:29:08.000 Is there a totalitarian streak that runs through some of these people?
00:29:11.000 Absolutely.
00:29:12.000 I mean, you can see their levels of aggression.
00:29:14.000 If women are holding a speech for a feminist, these trans activists turn up, you know, they have their masks, they have all their facial piercings, and they're so aggressive. 1.00
00:29:22.000 You know, they assault people, they leak people's address, they doxing, they physically assault women. 0.79
00:29:28.000 Men are going into women's toilets and, you know, screaming at women if they don't accept them being in there. 1.00
00:29:32.000 And, you know, these people, you know, they belong in North Korea.
00:29:35.000 They hate democracy. 0.79
00:29:36.000 They hate America.
00:29:37.000 They hate freedom. 0.99
00:29:38.000 They hate women. 1.00
00:29:39.000 Send them to North Korea because that definitely aligns with their values. 1.00
00:29:41.000 You know, I think these people, you know, they're against free speech and nobody is allowed to question them.
00:29:46.000 You know, anyone that detransitions is suddenly cast out of this cult. 1.00
00:29:50.000 They are vilified. 0.93
00:29:51.000 And transgenderism is a cult. 1.00
00:29:53.000 I will say that.
00:29:53.000 Like, you know, they welcome people with open arms.
00:29:56.000 As soon as you dare to question their narrative, you are thrown out and vilified.
00:30:00.000 And that's exactly what I've experienced since announcing my detransition in my book.
00:30:04.000 They're coming for me, but, you know, I really don't care.
00:30:06.000 I'm speaking up for kids.
00:30:07.000 I'm going to have Ollie respond to my question, which is, how should we treat?
00:30:11.000 But let me show you how they're currently treating.
00:30:13.000 This is from a now-deleted video from the Boston Children's Hospital, PlayCut 32.
00:30:19.000 So most of the patients that we have in the GEMS clinic actually know their gender, usually around the age of puberty, but a good portion of children do know as early as seemingly from the womb.
00:30:29.000 And they will usually express their gender identity as very young children.
00:30:32.000 Some, as soon as they can talk, they might say phrases such as, I'm a girl, or I'm a boy, or I'm going to be a woman or I'm going to be a mom.
00:30:39.000 Kids know very, very early.
00:30:41.000 So in the GEMS clinic, we see a variety of young children all the way down to ages two and three and usually up to the ages of nine.
00:30:49.000 There is no evidence for any of this.
00:30:50.000 This is wizardry.
00:30:52.000 This is like voodoo stuff. 0.92
00:30:54.000 Ollie, how should we treat an 11-year-old that might be saying, maybe I think I'm a girl?
00:30:59.000 I saw something on TikTok.
00:31:01.000 Okay, go see the doctor.
00:31:03.000 What should the treatment process be?
00:31:05.000 Well, firstly, we have to look at the factors that influence these kids to feel like this.
00:31:10.000 You know, one of the causes can be severe bullying, and kids want to fit in these days.
00:31:15.000 So if you have a class with five transgender students, their friends are going to want to be transgender.
00:31:20.000 We saw that with Missouri with the whistleblower and some leaked emails, that groups of girls from the same class in the same schools were being referred.
00:31:27.000 So, you know, kids want to fit into school.
00:31:29.000 So they're falling for these social pressures.
00:31:31.000 We also need to look at other factors that many of these kids being diagnosed with gender dysphoria have other medical or mental health conditions.
00:31:40.000 So we should be treating that instead and not automatically saying this child should transition.
00:31:45.000 And, you know, it's very normal for a teenager, they're going through puberty to question themselves.
00:31:49.000 Totally normal.
00:31:51.000 And, you know, Charlie, 15, 20 years ago, 20 years ago, we didn't have this in schools.
00:31:55.000 Kids, you know, a girl might play with boys' toys, whatever. 0.98
00:31:58.000 Nobody cared.
00:31:59.000 Nobody questioned it.
00:32:00.000 So, you know, this push that we have right now, it's harmful.
00:32:04.000 And we need to stop the teachers teaching this.
00:32:06.000 We need to stop drag shows pushing these ideas on kids. 0.98
00:32:10.000 And we need to stop this push from the medical industry to transition kids.
00:32:14.000 You know, would you say that an appropriate level of care should be how it was 20 years ago?
00:32:18.000 You address it.
00:32:19.000 You get some counseling.
00:32:21.000 You might maybe talk about the underlying issues.
00:32:23.000 Like, hey, maybe your father's not around or your mom might be a little kind of off the rails or distracted and you have some therapy and say, hey, you know, you're 11 years old.
00:32:32.000 All of a sudden, you're going through puberty.
00:32:34.000 You got some raging hormones.
00:32:36.000 You know, you're going to develop into somebody beautiful and different.
00:32:41.000 But, you know, surgically going after yourself is actually really harsh.
00:32:45.000 And let's not do that.
00:32:46.000 I mean, that's how a rational country would handle this, right?
00:32:50.000 Right.
00:32:51.000 I mean, you don't see cases of transgender kids in China, do you?
00:32:54.000 I've never seen a case.
00:32:55.000 I've spent a lot of time in China, never seen a single case of that.
00:32:59.000 So it's certainly something that's being pushed, particularly in America and some European countries.
00:33:03.000 Again, we need to look at underlying reasons.
00:33:05.000 They might have other issues that they're struggling with, you know, and give them counseling or therapy and just tell them that, you know, it's a phase.
00:33:12.000 They're a teenager.
00:33:13.000 This is totally normal.
00:33:15.000 You know, we all go through a phase as a teenager.
00:33:17.000 Some people want to be a goth, some people are emo, but it doesn't mean you should be medically transitioning. 0.68
00:33:22.000 I mean, that's just crazy.
00:33:23.000 We don't see that in China.
00:33:25.000 We don't see that in African countries.
00:33:27.000 We don't see that at all.
00:33:28.000 It's really a push.
00:33:30.000 So parents need to be looking at the teachers at the schools that are woke and what they're watching on TikTok, because that's what's really behind this.
00:33:38.000 You know, these kids wouldn't even think about these things unless they were being influenced by outside sources.
00:33:43.000 So the last question I have for you, and check out Ollie's book, Detransition.
00:33:46.000 What do you have to say to people that are getting ridiculed, targeted, smeared, slandered for speaking out against this?
00:33:53.000 Well, absolutely.
00:33:54.000 We're seeing that, you know, J.K. Rowling spoke up for women.
00:33:56.000 She has been vilified ever since, you know, even by the people that she made famous, like Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, you know, and I just think, what a disrespect to JK Rowling.
00:34:06.000 And, you know, in other cases, anyone that speaks out, particularly detransitioners, we've seen Chloe Cole, you know, she's subject to daily death threats. 0.99
00:34:13.000 She has radical trans activists turn up when she's doing a speech and they hurl abuse at her. 0.99
00:34:18.000 You know, we cannot let these people win.
00:34:20.000 These people are aggressive.
00:34:21.000 They hate freedom of speech.
00:34:22.000 They hate America.
00:34:23.000 They want to transition children.
00:34:25.000 So we need to continue pushing to protect children.
00:34:28.000 We're seeing seven states have now banned gender affirming care in minors.
00:34:32.000 We need to see many more states do this.
00:34:34.000 And, you know, put pressure on these trans activists.
00:34:37.000 You know, I call them out all the time.
00:34:38.000 I'm not afraid of these trans activists. 0.98
00:34:40.000 They're sending me death threats. 1.00
00:34:41.000 They're calling for me to be publicly executed and stoned to death. 1.00
00:34:44.000 You know, I don't care. 0.98
00:34:45.000 I'm going to keep speaking up.
00:34:46.000 And I think everyone should not be afraid to speak up because we can eventually defeat these people.
00:34:51.000 And they're a minority of people, less than 1%.
00:34:53.000 So why is the majority caving into 1% of the work?
00:34:57.000 I mean, look, here's why.
00:34:58.000 And J.K. Rowling's super rich and she doesn't care.
00:35:00.000 God bless her. 1.00
00:35:01.000 Even though she's a liberal.
00:35:02.000 Vox.com.
00:35:04.000 JK Rowling's transphobia, a history.
00:35:07.000 That's what they do to you.
00:35:09.000 These very evil people.
00:35:11.000 Ollie, God bless you.
00:35:12.000 I'm glad you found the Lord.
00:35:13.000 Keep diving deep into the scriptures.
00:35:15.000 And I hope to have you on soon and meet you.
00:35:17.000 Thank you for your courage.
00:35:18.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:35:19.000 Appreciate it.
00:35:19.000 God bless you too.
00:35:21.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:35:22.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:35:25.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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