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00:01:15.000I am told by campus activists that we are not allowing enough young people the opportunity to chop off their breasts or chemically castrate themselves.
00:01:25.000I am told when I go on college campuses that it's affirming care to have 11-year-olds go in multi-hour surgery to try to change their biology.
00:01:36.000Very powerful story we have this hour incorporates the story of Ollie London.
00:01:42.000Ollie has a new book coming out called Detransition, a memoir.
00:01:46.000And I'm going to allow Ollie to tell his story here because it's very powerful and it applies directly to the times that we are living in.
00:03:29.000I was living as a transgender woman, going out in public.
00:03:32.000You know, I was at the Cairns Film Festival wearing dresses.
00:03:35.000And, you know, I was happy for a short time.
00:03:38.000It was a temporary fix, which I think many people that transition, they have that temporary serotonin, that dopamine rush.
00:03:45.000And then after a while, that kind of evaporates.
00:03:49.000And then you realize, wow, I've made a mistake.
00:03:52.000So I detransitioned late last year when I got to a point and I was like, why have I done this to myself?
00:03:58.000studied going to church and realized, you know, there's more to life than trying to pursue someone, you know, trying to become someone that you're not.
00:04:06.000And I finally kind of found happiness from within.
00:04:10.000So let's kind of go back a little bit in time.
00:04:13.000At what age were you when you started to get surgical interventions to try to change your aesthetic, your appearance, or what you thought of yourself to be?
00:04:27.000So it wasn't as a teenager for me because surgery wasn't really accessible.
00:04:31.000But when I moved to South Korea, South Korea is actually the plastic surgery capital of the world.
00:04:36.000They perform a million procedures every year.
00:05:22.000And, you know, I felt like I fitted in.
00:05:24.000And these days, Charlie, all of these trans activists, all of these non-binary people, they constantly preach that you can identify as whatever you want.
00:05:58.000I have several questions and I want to encourage you and thank you for your willingness to speak out because I'm sure there's a fair amount of people that are coming after you because of what you're saying and doing.
00:06:10.000So let me ask the question this way, which is when you started to doubt your transition to a woman, and I put that in quotes.
00:07:00.000So I realized, you know, I'm either going to get loads more surgery.
00:07:03.000I'm going to transition fully or I can take a step back and reflect on what I'm doing and reflect that this is never going to make me happy.
00:07:10.000You know, changing your entire body, changing your identity, changing your gender is never going to make you happy.
00:07:37.000And then I started reading passages from the Bible and it just made me realize, you know, God creates people, you know, the way they are and there's no need to change.
00:07:45.000So I kind of, you know, found that message very helpful with my story.
00:07:50.000And, you know, I just realized I need to get back to the real me.
00:07:54.000So you say something interesting, which is almost that you were pursuing happiness.
00:07:59.000Do you think a majority of people that go through surgical interventions are actually trying to pursue some sort of happiness?
00:08:09.000And I think this is the case with we're seeing across the U.S., you know, thousands of teens being put in the gender affirming care system.
00:08:16.000And, you know, they love to use the word care as if it's helping these kids when really it's actually putting kids in harm's way.
00:08:22.000So, you know, a lot of people feel that this is a solution.
00:08:25.000And a lot of doctors tell the kids and their parents, this is going to answer all of their problems.
00:08:32.000It's going to prevent all of the depression symptoms they currently have.
00:08:35.000So, you know, we're seeing it as a fix, but it's actually a very temporary fix because, you know, in many cases, we're seeing thousands of teens detransition.
00:08:44.000Many cases, they were only happy for six months.
00:08:46.000They were only happy for a very short time before they realized they'd made a huge mistake.
00:08:51.000So I think, you know, in the age of social media, in the modern age, everybody wants a quick fix, right?
00:08:57.000A lot of people have mental health struggles these days, especially since the pandemic.
00:09:11.000And then they realize after a few months, wow, I've made a terrible mistake.
00:09:14.000But at that point, it's irreversible and they've done a terrible harm to their body.
00:09:19.000So I'm going to ask you a question that might be hard to quantify, but the regret you felt once you felt that regret, was it greater than any happiness high that you felt?
00:09:30.000I know that might be a hard equation, but does that make sense?
00:09:36.000Yeah, I mean, I only ever really had temporary happiness.
00:09:56.000And they think, you know, having a surgery, changing their gender is the solution when it's really, really not.
00:10:02.000So for me, it was a temporary happiness.
00:10:05.000And I deeply regret what I went through now.
00:10:08.000And almost, you know, I have a lot of followers on TikTok and Instagram.
00:10:11.000I almost feel like I was a very bad influence, you know, because I was very open sharing my journey and stuff.
00:10:17.000And, you know, now I'm actually realizing, you know, how harmful it can be for young people when they see influences online.
00:10:24.000So I'm trying to be a positive influence and speak up, you know, because no child should be medically transitioned.
00:10:30.000You know, no woman should feel unsafe in their own space and parents need to retain their rights.
00:10:34.000So, no, I regret my past, but I'm trying to make amends.
00:10:38.000You know, I'm trying to redeem all of that.
00:10:41.000No, no, no, I'm not trying to, you know, open up closed wounds.
00:10:44.000I'm just trying to communicate to some people out there that legitimately think they're doing something loving by chopping off an 11-year-old's breasts.
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00:12:00.000Let me begin by asking you, what is your current advice to a young person right now or a parent that feels as if medical transition, I put that in quotes because you actually don't transition.
00:12:17.000In fact, parents email me, they say, Charlie, I just got back from the doctor and they say, would you rather have a trans son or a dead daughter?
00:12:29.000And that's the typical response of doctors.
00:12:31.000They try to coerce parents and children and pressure them that if you do not transition this child, you're going to have a dead child.
00:12:38.000Well, actually, I think it's the opposite because these children don't realize just how much it changes the body, just how much it messes with the brain when they have all these hormones, these puberty blockers.
00:12:48.000And for a girl, we're seeing many cases now, mostly girls transitioning to boys.
00:12:53.000If they want to totally do the surgeries and everything, they actually have to have a massive chunk of their arm taken out, which scars them for life to recreate body parts.
00:13:02.000And it's just, it's literally like what Dr. Mengel did during World War II, you know, experimenting on vulnerable children.
00:13:08.000And we've seen, you know, to every child that's considering this, don't do it.
00:13:56.000Most of these children have now a higher risk of having diabetes and heart conditions.
00:14:00.000The study in Finland even said there's a much higher risk of having a stroke or a heart attack on someone that takes testosterone or estrogen on a long-term basis.
00:14:13.000And parents, you know, parents always want the best for their kids.
00:14:16.000But sadly, many doctors and teachers are giving these parents the wrong information.
00:14:21.000And we have places like California and Oregon, which are sanctuary states, where a child can be there 15 years old without the parents' knowledge or consent.
00:14:30.000And these doctors can medically transition and mutilate these children.
00:14:34.000It's no different to what happens in Somalia with female genital mutilation.
00:14:53.000Parents are being told it's their only option.
00:14:56.000People that support this look at it as gender affirming care and they say it's loving and compassionate, when in reality it is cruel and it is harsh and severe.
00:16:04.000You're, in many cases, we have now Washington State, they're trying to take kids away from their parents and put them in foster care because that parent doesn't want their kid to medically transition.
00:16:13.000I mean, that does not sound like America.
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00:18:44.000But before we do, I just want to make sure you had an opportunity to tell one part of your story that you mentioned that I was saving for later in our conversation.
00:18:55.000Why was that transformational in your process regarding your struggle with your gender identity?
00:19:03.000So, it was something that I really needed.
00:19:05.000And I got to a point, you know, for most of these people have mental health struggles that are changed in their gender, that are non-binary, you know, many of them.
00:19:13.000And, you know, firstly, doctors should have a duty of care.
00:19:16.000You know, they should be looking at these factors.
00:19:18.000We're seeing many kids that have autism, many kids that have depression or suicidal tendencies.
00:19:24.000They are being diagnosed with gender dysphoria and being medically transitioned.
00:19:29.000So, you know, I suffered with depression.
00:19:31.000I suffered with body dysmorphia for most of my life.
00:20:17.000So why on earth should I or anybody be trying to change that?
00:20:21.000You know, instead, it should focus on what's inside and also focus on, you know, kindness.
00:20:26.000As I've learned from many of the stories with Jesus, you know, when he went to cleanse the leper, this person that was outcast by society, Jesus went to cleanse him of his sins.
00:20:35.000You know, that I found very powerful in the sense that, you know, we all need to speak up for others.
00:20:41.000So going to church and finding God made me realize, you know, I need to stop this crazy pursuit.
00:21:38.000They're seeing Jeffrey Marsh, who is basically grooming these kids, basically telling them to cut off their parents, telling them to transition.
00:21:45.000You know, social media is meant to be uplifting.
00:21:48.000It's meant to be about sharing positive things.
00:21:50.000And if you look at China's version of TikTok, which is called Doo Yen, all of the videos are about patriotism, about education, about skill sharing.
00:21:59.000And you go on the American TikTok and you've got, you know, a man in a dress in a woman's toilet bragging.
00:22:04.000You know, you've got this Jeffrey Marsh guy, you know, telling kids to cut off their parents, to change their gender, and they should message him privately.
00:22:12.000This is very dangerous because these people, you know, they might feel like they're trans, but they shouldn't be pushing that on other people.
00:23:57.000Let's play cut 30 here when let's play cut 30.
00:24:00.000What's the gender affirmation process?
00:24:02.000Affirmation means that as a pediatrician, as someone who says my job is to provide the best medical care for you, is I need to listen really carefully.
00:24:13.000And how I put it in words for kids so that they can understand it is, tell me your story.
00:24:18.000Where have you been in terms of your gender and your gender identity?
00:24:24.000And more excitingly, where would you like to be in the future?
00:24:28.000That is a pediatrician who should be in jail who is asking a young child what they think of their gender identity and where they want to go.
00:24:36.000Ollie, what is your reaction to that clip?
00:24:38.000Well, I have seen Matt Walsh's documentary and I think he's done a fantastic job.
00:24:42.000He's really leading the charge with combating this woke ideology.
00:24:52.000I think they believe their own delusions.
00:24:53.000And, you know, they think it's perfectly normal to erase the word women.
00:24:57.000They think it's absolutely fine for a man to suddenly self-identify, go into a women's safe space, or for men to compete in women's sport and for children to transition.
00:25:06.000No, it's a delusion, but also we have to think these pediatricians, Charlie, they're profiting.
00:25:11.000$2.2 billion was the amount that these gender clinics made last year.
00:25:15.000There's over 100 pediatric clinics across the U.S. They're making so much money from this.
00:25:20.000And, you know, they should be charged with crimes against humanity for what they're doing to children.
00:25:25.000And parents that are willingly going alongside of it, it really shows me how awful some parents are in America.
00:25:31.000And they're parenting out of fear too.
00:25:48.000Have you ever met a four-year-old who believes in Santa Claus?
00:25:54.000So this is someone who believes that a fat man is traveling through the sky on a flying reindeer at lightning speed, coming down his chimney with presents.
00:26:29.000Well, firstly, you can see that lady, she's got that passive-aggressive smile, which you see all too often with these people trying to push to transition children.
00:26:37.000I mean, you can see that in her face, and she really believes what she's doing, transitioning children, is totally okay.
00:27:50.000You know, now they're targeting children.
00:27:52.000The next thing is going to be transage, where adult men are identifying as babies.
00:27:56.000We're seeing that, and they're pushing more and more extreme things.
00:27:59.000And, you know, that's how they win this war they're trying to do on children.
00:28:03.000They basically make things normal so that you accept it.
00:28:06.000It might seem shocking now that a man is identifying as a baby, but in five years' time, the LGBT community, the alphabet, they're going to add that on there, you know, minor attracted people.
00:28:47.000They've always been focused on language.
00:28:51.000And this is one of the, this is the argument made in John 1 in the beginning was the word.
00:28:56.000You need to be able to have agreed upon terms, the logos, or else you have absolute social anarchy, which I'm afraid is actually part of their goal.
00:29:05.000I think they want more totalitarianism.
00:29:08.000Is there a totalitarian streak that runs through some of these people?
00:29:12.000I mean, you can see their levels of aggression.
00:29:14.000If women are holding a speech for a feminist, these trans activists turn up, you know, they have their masks, they have all their facial piercings, and they're so aggressive.
00:29:22.000You know, they assault people, they leak people's address, they doxing, they physically assault women.
00:29:28.000Men are going into women's toilets and, you know, screaming at women if they don't accept them being in there.
00:29:32.000And, you know, these people, you know, they belong in North Korea.
00:30:07.000I'm going to have Ollie respond to my question, which is, how should we treat?
00:30:11.000But let me show you how they're currently treating.
00:30:13.000This is from a now-deleted video from the Boston Children's Hospital, PlayCut 32.
00:30:19.000So most of the patients that we have in the GEMS clinic actually know their gender, usually around the age of puberty, but a good portion of children do know as early as seemingly from the womb.
00:30:29.000And they will usually express their gender identity as very young children.
00:30:32.000Some, as soon as they can talk, they might say phrases such as, I'm a girl, or I'm a boy, or I'm going to be a woman or I'm going to be a mom.
00:31:05.000Well, firstly, we have to look at the factors that influence these kids to feel like this.
00:31:10.000You know, one of the causes can be severe bullying, and kids want to fit in these days.
00:31:15.000So if you have a class with five transgender students, their friends are going to want to be transgender.
00:31:20.000We saw that with Missouri with the whistleblower and some leaked emails, that groups of girls from the same class in the same schools were being referred.
00:31:27.000So, you know, kids want to fit into school.
00:31:29.000So they're falling for these social pressures.
00:31:31.000We also need to look at other factors that many of these kids being diagnosed with gender dysphoria have other medical or mental health conditions.
00:31:40.000So we should be treating that instead and not automatically saying this child should transition.
00:31:45.000And, you know, it's very normal for a teenager, they're going through puberty to question themselves.
00:32:21.000You might maybe talk about the underlying issues.
00:32:23.000Like, hey, maybe your father's not around or your mom might be a little kind of off the rails or distracted and you have some therapy and say, hey, you know, you're 11 years old.
00:32:32.000All of a sudden, you're going through puberty.
00:32:55.000I've spent a lot of time in China, never seen a single case of that.
00:32:59.000So it's certainly something that's being pushed, particularly in America and some European countries.
00:33:03.000Again, we need to look at underlying reasons.
00:33:05.000They might have other issues that they're struggling with, you know, and give them counseling or therapy and just tell them that, you know, it's a phase.
00:33:30.000So parents need to be looking at the teachers at the schools that are woke and what they're watching on TikTok, because that's what's really behind this.
00:33:38.000You know, these kids wouldn't even think about these things unless they were being influenced by outside sources.
00:33:43.000So the last question I have for you, and check out Ollie's book, Detransition.
00:33:46.000What do you have to say to people that are getting ridiculed, targeted, smeared, slandered for speaking out against this?
00:33:54.000We're seeing that, you know, J.K. Rowling spoke up for women.
00:33:56.000She has been vilified ever since, you know, even by the people that she made famous, like Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, you know, and I just think, what a disrespect to JK Rowling.
00:34:06.000And, you know, in other cases, anyone that speaks out, particularly detransitioners, we've seen Chloe Cole, you know, she's subject to daily death threats.
00:34:13.000She has radical trans activists turn up when she's doing a speech and they hurl abuse at her.
00:34:18.000You know, we cannot let these people win.