The Charlie Kirk Show - May 21, 2025


Did the Big Beautiful Bill Get... Less Beautiful? ft. Rep. Chip Roy


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Charlie is back from his trip to England, and we have some new content from his time there. First, we get some of the clips from his debate with the woke students in Cambridge. Then we bring in Chip Roy for the One Big Beautiful Bill debate. Finally, President Trump holds the President of South Africa accountable in an Oval Office scene you don't want to miss.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show from the Bitcoin Mobile Studio.
00:00:04.000 Andrew Colvitt in one last time for Charlie, who is coming back from England.
00:00:09.000 He'll be back tomorrow.
00:00:11.000 And we play some of the clips from Cambridge.
00:00:13.000 We're getting our first drips of new content.
00:00:16.000 Charlie debating the woke Cambridge students.
00:00:19.000 It's lively.
00:00:20.000 It's fantastic.
00:00:21.000 You're not going to want to miss these clips.
00:00:22.000 Then we bring Chip Roy in for the one big, beautiful bell debate.
00:00:26.000 He's a no.
00:00:27.000 I think he's fighting in good faith.
00:00:29.000 Hear him out.
00:00:30.000 Hear what he wants to see happen with tweaks to this bill.
00:00:34.000 I certainly am sympathetic to a lot of his points.
00:00:37.000 Give it a listen.
00:00:38.000 And we've got to get this done.
00:00:39.000 We've got to get this one big, beautiful bill passed.
00:00:41.000 The trick is what tweaks need to happen between now and then.
00:00:45.000 Hear Chip Roy out.
00:00:46.000 And then the coup de grace, the finale of this episode.
00:00:51.000 President Trump holds the president of South Africa accountable to his face.
00:00:55.000 In an Oval Office scene you will not want to miss.
00:00:58.000 Buckle up. 0.96
00:00:59.000 Here we go.
00:01:00.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:01:02.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:01:04.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:01:07.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:01:10.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:01:11.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:01:13.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:21.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:30.000 That's why we are here.
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00:01:57.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:59.000 This is your guest host for the day, Andrew Colvett.
00:02:02.000 I'm the executive producer of this fine show.
00:02:04.000 Honored to be with you today.
00:02:05.000 Lots of news, lots going on.
00:02:08.000 Charlie is traveling through the UK.
00:02:11.000 He's going to be back tomorrow in studio, barnstorming Great Britain, going through Cambridge and Oxford.
00:02:18.000 So we are now seeing some of our first clips from the Cambridge debate, which was...
00:02:25.000 Basically a bunch of libs versus Charlie.
00:02:27.000 It was about 400 to 1. Some of those clips are pretty fantastic.
00:02:33.000 So we might play some of those here in this first segment.
00:02:36.000 I want to set the stage, however, for the news of the day.
00:02:39.000 The one big beautiful bill, they want to have a vote on it, maybe even tonight, does not look like they currently have the votes.
00:02:47.000 Andy Harris, who is the chair of the House Freedom Caucus, is saying that the bill got worse overnight.
00:02:54.000 And why?
00:02:55.000 It's because of the SALT additions.
00:03:00.000 So unfortunately, SALT has pushed the conservatives and the hardliners, budget hawks, that I'm very sympathetic to, further away from that deal.
00:03:11.000 And yeah, I'm getting emails.
00:03:13.000 Thank God he wasn't arrested.
00:03:15.000 Yes, Charlie Kirk was not arrested in the UK.
00:03:19.000 Thank goodness.
00:03:21.000 But he just debated.
00:03:22.000 Cambridge, Oxford students, and instead of focusing on their own country, by the way, he just sent a note to me, and the decay of their own country, they're obsessed with Israel. 0.77
00:03:36.000 Israel is what everybody wants to talk about at Cambridge, which is unfortunately very sad.
00:03:46.000 News on the Marco Rubio front.
00:03:48.000 He just dressed down the Senate.
00:03:49.000 That was fantastic.
00:03:50.000 One big, beautiful bill.
00:03:51.000 We've got the Golden Dome.
00:03:54.000 Deportation news.
00:03:55.000 All of that is still very much happening.
00:03:57.000 So why don't we start with Charlie?
00:04:00.000 I'm feeling the lead to start with Charlie.
00:04:04.000 This is Charlie.
00:04:08.000 I'm not exactly sure which this is, but let's play 3-1-1.
00:04:11.000 This is Charlie talking about how he wants to see Britain be great again.
00:04:14.000 For the three conservatives that are here tonight, I hope you guys get your mojo back.
00:04:20.000 This was once a great country.
00:04:22.000 I want to see it great again.
00:04:23.000 You guys are a husk of your former self.
00:04:25.000 You guys, you can laugh and sneer all you want, but the country that split the atom and invented the steam engine and eradicated slavery and brought common law to the world can do a lot better than this.
00:04:36.000 And you are, your existence led to our existence, and for whatever I can do, I hope that this country, Be proud of your heritage.
00:05:07.000 You've done good for the world.
00:05:08.000 Stop apologizing.
00:05:10.000 Get your energy.
00:05:11.000 Get your vitality.
00:05:12.000 Get what made England and made Great Britain such a phenomenal place.
00:05:17.000 I hope you get that back, and I hope that you reject the swan song of multiculturalism and get back to the fundamental truism that a strong Britain means a strong world, and therefore a strong West, and we can stand up for what is good, true, and beautiful.
00:05:33.000 Man, what a breath of fresh air Charlie Kirk is to the UK.
00:05:37.000 Amen!
00:05:38.000 Get your mojo back!
00:05:39.000 The country of Churchill!
00:05:42.000 Margie Thatcher.
00:05:43.000 So many proud British points in history.
00:05:47.000 So many proud Britons that have paved the way and pioneered a way and gave us this country.
00:05:52.000 Let's not forget.
00:05:53.000 In the British Commonwealth, when it spread across the world, all of those colonies that became their own countries and got self-rule and all these things that went through British colonialism are succeeding far...
00:06:07.000 Beyond those of the French colonies, the Spanish colonies, the Portuguese colonies, the Belgian colonies.
00:06:13.000 The British people have a proud history, and we need to remember that.
00:06:19.000 Now, here's another long clip.
00:06:22.000 This is the Charlie Kirk show, so this is an ode to Charlie Kirk.
00:06:26.000 So you've condemned the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as a huge mistake.
00:06:31.000 Correct.
00:06:31.000 Why do you believe it was a mistake to pass anti-discrimination legislation, and what do you think would be better policy for being treated fairly unequally, which you see as an American principle?
00:06:42.000 Nothing against the intent, but it was too broadly written, and it played into something called disparate impact.
00:06:47.000 Disparate impact was woven within the Civil Rights Act, and disparate impact basically says if two racial groups have different outcomes, the answer must be racism.
00:06:56.000 It does not allow any legal nuance.
00:06:58.000 So there are four components to the anti-racist regime of America.
00:07:01.000 I don't pretend to know what goes on in this country.
00:07:03.000 I could just talk about America.
00:07:04.000 I'm sure that's fine.
00:07:05.000 And it's four components.
00:07:06.000 Affirmative action, critical race theory, DEI, and disparate impact.
00:07:10.000 Those are kind of the four components.
00:07:11.000 All of them have their subsection.
00:07:13.000 The Civil Rights Act led the way to affirmative action, which is weaponized, quote-unquote, reverse racism against Asian and white people.
00:07:20.000 And the Civil Rights Act also blazed the trail for disparate impact as a legal theory, basically saying that if black Americans are doing worse in a group, it might not be because of marital differences or cultural differences or single motherhood issues.
00:07:32.000 It must be racism.
00:07:33.000 And so because of that, the Civil Rights Act was too broadly written.
00:07:37.000 So the intent, it should have been a single-page or a two-page bill to say that you cannot discriminate against based on the color of somebody's skin, period, end of story.
00:07:45.000 Instead, we get a multiple hundred-page bill with lots of chapters and lots of lesser-known amendments that created basically a permanent anti-racist bureaucracy within our federal government to go find racism where it doesn't exist and create it in new places where it otherwise did not exist.
00:08:03.000 Oftentimes, Charlie will get asked that when he's in liberal settings.
00:08:07.000 You know, what's your problem with the Civil Rights Act?
00:08:09.000 Obviously, nobody has a problem with the intent of the Civil Rights Act.
00:08:12.000 We believe that everybody should be treated equally under the law.
00:08:16.000 However, we've talked about it as well that the Civil Rights Act was largely a second founding of America.
00:08:23.000 Modern Americans probably have more reverence for the Civil Rights Act than they do for the Constitution.
00:08:29.000 But in some ways, the Civil Rights Act overreached, overstretched, and created bureaucracy that allows men in women's restrooms and locker rooms. 1.00
00:08:40.000 So good for Charlie.
00:08:41.000 I love that he stood on it.
00:08:43.000 And there's another story that's going on in the UK right now that's really interesting.
00:08:48.000 There's a woman named Lucy Connelly. 0.98
00:08:49.000 Go ahead and throw that image up. 0.51
00:08:52.000 Lucy Conley is a British woman. 1.00
00:08:55.000 She was jailed for 31 months, all because of a tweet that she posted that was quickly deleted.
00:09:05.000 And the tweet, you know, we don't have to like the tweet.
00:09:09.000 We don't have to agree with the tweet.
00:09:11.000 But she deleted it.
00:09:13.000 She showed contrition.
00:09:15.000 Lucy Conley has been jailed.
00:09:17.000 She's a mother.
00:09:18.000 I believe she has a 12-year-old child.
00:09:21.000 Her husband has been left to care for this child.
00:09:23.000 There's been zero leniency.
00:09:25.000 Yesterday she was denied her appeal to get out of jail.
00:09:31.000 And the tweet was something along the lines of, and she was upset about the immigration situation and some of these facilities.
00:09:41.000 There you go.
00:09:41.000 Master deportations now.
00:09:44.000 Set fire to all of the hotels full of the, I guess, the illegals. 1.00
00:09:49.000 Using American parlance, for all I care, while you're at it, make the treacherous government and politicians, and take the treacherous government and politicians with them. 0.97
00:10:01.000 She deleted this tweet.
00:10:03.000 It was just a tweet.
00:10:06.000 And she's been jailed for incitement.
00:10:09.000 Now, the Britons that support this, they think that this is just the guardrails around healthy, productive speech.
00:10:16.000 Well, this is not.
00:10:17.000 This does not meet an American threshold for incitement, in which case you need to say a specific place and a specific person and a specific means.
00:10:28.000 That would be incitement in the American context.
00:10:31.000 This is just blowing off steam.
00:10:32.000 She's upset about the mass immigration into the UK, which a lot of Britons are.
00:10:38.000 And she's been jailed for 31 months and no leniency. 0.61
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00:11:55.000 Charlie is going there with a message of freedom.
00:11:57.000 He's debating people.
00:11:59.000 He's bringing the same verve that we've taken to college campuses, these islands of totalitarianism in the United States, taking it to the other side of the pond.
00:12:07.000 But I just want to finish one thought here on the Lucy Connelly.
00:12:09.000 Go ahead and put her picture back up, guys.
00:12:11.000 Lucy Connelly issued a tweet.
00:12:15.000 Maybe it wasn't the best tweet.
00:12:16.000 I don't know why there's black bars in that picture.
00:12:18.000 Maybe find another one.
00:12:19.000 Maybe it wasn't the best tweet.
00:12:22.000 It wasn't the nicest tweet.
00:12:23.000 She took it down.
00:12:24.000 She showed contrition, which, by the way, she didn't even need to do.
00:12:27.000 I don't think it was incitement.
00:12:28.000 She was blowing off steam.
00:12:29.000 She's upset about the mass immigration, which millions of British citizens are upset about mass immigration.
00:12:36.000 And they are, you know, she gets arrested, stripped of her liberty.
00:12:43.000 There is no free speech if that is allowed to happen in the UK.
00:12:47.000 Now, all these people, I've been watching the Twitter, there's, of course we have free speech.
00:12:51.000 That's absurd to say we don't have free speech.
00:12:53.000 Lucy Conley did not have free speech.
00:12:55.000 And if Lucy Connolly does not have free speech, then there is no free speech in the UK.
00:13:00.000 It was a harmless tweet.
00:13:02.000 Maybe it was not a great tweet.
00:13:04.000 She would admit that it was not a great tweet.
00:13:06.000 But she took it down nevertheless.
00:13:08.000 You know, maybe a fine.
00:13:10.000 Okay?
00:13:11.000 And there's a lot of these other people in the UK, they're able to get, you know, like house arrest at the very least so they can be with their kid and help their husband out who's got to go to work, make a living.
00:13:24.000 Absolutely insane story.
00:13:26.000 Free Lucy Connelly.
00:13:28.000 And by the way, Charlie has promised to bring this issue up with the State Department and see what he can do.
00:13:36.000 I'm going to play one other clip here from Charlie.
00:13:40.000 He went on GB News, and he's talking about this very issue.
00:13:43.000 Have you had a lady called Lucy Connolly since you've been here?
00:13:45.000 Of course.
00:13:46.000 I talked about her yesterday, and no one knew what I was talking about in Cambridge.
00:13:49.000 Who are you talking about?
00:13:50.000 The students didn't know?
00:13:51.000 I mentioned her because I did the research.
00:13:53.000 My team did an amazing job.
00:13:54.000 And I think she just had her petition denied today. 0.99
00:13:56.000 In the last hour or so today, it's Tuesday today, she's had her appeal denied.
00:14:00.000 So she's going to be carrying out her two-and-a-half-year sentence for a solitary tweet, which she deleted four hours later.
00:14:06.000 What's your take on the whole situation?
00:14:08.000 Well, I'm going to try to get the U.S. State Department involved.
00:14:10.000 I don't know if, you know, what their bandwidth is here, but I'm sorry.
00:14:13.000 Like, again, I'm speaking as a citizen, not as a U.S. government.
00:14:15.000 I just want to be very clear.
00:14:16.000 Like, is this a way that a liberal democracy and an ally of the United States acts?
00:14:20.000 Just to be clear, what she said.
00:14:22.000 I don't like what she said, but she showed contrition.
00:14:27.000 Well, there's two parts.
00:14:28.000 The first part where she said, like, I don't want immigrants in my country, perfectly acceptable, that's fine. 1.00
00:14:32.000 You can say that, you're allowed to have that.
00:14:33.000 I think there was one part about, like...
00:14:35.000 Potentially, like, violent whatever.
00:14:37.000 Well, she said, let me clarify what she said.
00:14:38.000 Yeah, I want to be clear.
00:14:39.000 So I think by the time she sent the tweets, some asylum hotels were in the midst of being burnt down or their Molotovs thrown through a window.
00:14:47.000 She tweeted, burn them down for all I care. 0.98
00:14:51.000 You're allowed to say that in America.
00:14:53.000 So the argument is, was she inciting violence or was she reacting to the images she was seeing?
00:14:59.000 You could.
00:14:59.000 And by the way, just to be clear, you guys have the wrong incitement threshold.
00:15:02.000 In America, you need to have specific time and specific place in order to reach the incitement threshold.
00:15:08.000 Every day people say, you know, well, someone should go kill Charlie Kirk.
00:15:11.000 I don't like it. 0.52
00:15:12.000 But that's protected speech.
00:15:13.000 In America, we care about what you do, not about what you say.
00:15:16.000 And then she showed contrition and she apologized.
00:15:18.000 And from my understanding, when the police force showed up to her door, they asked her questions being like, you know, do you think that, do you hate immigrants?
00:15:26.000 No.
00:15:26.000 She gave, like, very satisfactory answers and they still arrested her.
00:15:30.000 And I just find it so outrageous that she's going to now jail for two and a half years for a deleted social media post that she apologized for. 0.99
00:15:39.000 As you guys have birthed free speech to the world, you now guys are becoming a totalitarian country.
00:15:44.000 You birthed free speech to the world, you're now becoming a totalitarian country.
00:15:49.000 Well said, Charlie Kirk.
00:15:51.000 The threshold was not met.
00:15:53.000 This is an outrageous over-sentencing. 0.99
00:15:55.000 And by the way, I will say, you know, the UK is so screwed up. 0.97
00:15:58.000 I mean, Tommy Robinson got... 0.92
00:15:59.000 We found out is going to be released from prison in the UK this week.
00:16:04.000 And what happened?
00:16:05.000 The judge forced him to delete his documentary off of X that had tens and tens of millions of views about immigration, about Muslim immigration specifically, which is a no-no in the UK.
00:16:17.000 You're not allowed to not appreciate Muslims coming into your country in the droves.
00:16:25.000 This is a big story.
00:16:26.000 It's across the pond, yes, but we need a rebirth of freedom around the Western world if we're going to stand against all of the forces that are coming against the country.
00:16:36.000 So good on Charlie.
00:16:37.000 I'm really proud of what he's doing.
00:16:40.000 This is cultural suicide throughout the West, and we need voices, strong voices from the West that know how to win, that know how to be forceful, and take it to our friends and allies and remind them of who they are.
00:16:53.000 Remind them of who they are.
00:16:55.000 You're the people of Churchill.
00:16:57.000 Stand up and be strong.
00:16:58.000 Stop apologizing for yourself.
00:17:00.000 We'll be right back with Chip Roy.
00:17:01.000 We'll be right back.
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00:18:06.000 Alright, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:18:08.000 Andrew Colvin in for the one and only Charlie Kirk who's headed back.
00:18:12.000 Now I'm told from across the pond, so he'll be back in the chair tomorrow.
00:18:16.000 With me right now is the great congressman from the great state of Texas, Representative Chip Roy.
00:18:22.000 Welcome to the show, Congressman.
00:18:24.000 Thank you for taking the time.
00:18:25.000 I know there's a lot going on right now in Capitol Hill.
00:18:27.000 You guys are in the middle of a very contentious debate.
00:18:30.000 Why don't you give us the latest?
00:18:32.000 I saw your colleagues that are sort of on the budget hawk side are saying the bill maybe got worse overnight.
00:18:40.000 Tell us.
00:18:41.000 Give us an update of what happened and where we stand.
00:18:45.000 Well, I wouldn't say the bill got worse.
00:18:46.000 What I would say is the prospects for the bill got a little bit worse last night.
00:18:49.000 I mean, look, we were here all night long.
00:18:51.000 I'm on the Rules Committee.
00:18:52.000 In fact, they're still meeting.
00:18:53.000 I'm looking over the screen right now.
00:18:55.000 And, you know, we're continuing to try to work through the bill.
00:18:58.000 We've had multiple meetings with the Speaker.
00:18:59.000 But what happened was, look, there's a core problem that we have that we want to wrestle with.
00:19:04.000 We believe that the money laundering scheme.
00:19:08.000 That has been built into the entire Medicaid operation is inflating the cost of health care while making vulnerable people suffer while they're filling the roles with able-bodied, and we need to change that.
00:19:19.000 And we've got to end the scam where you've got these provider taxes that get put in place and inflate all the prices and make it harder for you to get health care and put vulnerable people on wait lists.
00:19:30.000 We think you've got to change that or you can never get the cost of health care down.
00:19:33.000 So that's what we're trying to do.
00:19:35.000 It's not even about getting more, quote, savings.
00:19:38.000 I'm always looking for more savings.
00:19:40.000 But it's about changing that system so you can keep prices down and make the system work.
00:19:45.000 And then in the end, that will save a lot of money over time.
00:19:47.000 But right now, our primary concern is that you've got that issue and you've got a lot of front-loaded deficits with back-loaded savings.
00:19:56.000 We're trying to compress that with Medicaid work requirements. 0.65
00:19:59.000 We've had progress with changing some of the green new scam stuff.
00:20:03.000 We've had progress, but we need to go further, and we need to fix this Medicaid stuff.
00:20:08.000 We're close, but last night it kind of went off the rails.
00:20:10.000 We had an agreement with the White House.
00:20:12.000 We put it up, and we kind of worked it through the Speaker's office and the leadership team here, and we're not getting anywhere with it, so now we've been a little derailed.
00:20:19.000 So that's what today's about, is trying to get that back on track.
00:20:22.000 And Congressman, what happened around midnight?
00:20:24.000 You had a deal in what respect?
00:20:26.000 What did you guys come to an agreement on?
00:20:29.000 What changed, and do we believe we can get back to an agreement?
00:20:32.000 Yeah, well, we had an agreement on a basic set of terms that, frankly, was on the margins of what we want, right?
00:20:38.000 Like, we want some substantive, really transformative reform so that people out there watching this, you can get cheaper health care.
00:20:46.000 Medicaid can be better.
00:20:47.000 What do we think that looks like?
00:20:49.000 Getting rid of that ridiculous seven times federal funding for the able-bodied over the vulnerable, right?
00:20:54.000 We should fix that.
00:20:55.000 Well, that got taken off the table.
00:20:57.000 So what we'll do last night was a small tweak, okay?
00:21:01.000 That means shrinking down and limiting what we call provider taxes, which are the ways that the providers game the system, inflate the prices, and they get federal government dollars to fund those and inflate the prices.
00:21:14.000 We want to shrink that because it will help everybody.
00:21:16.000 So we made some progress, said, okay, we all agree.
00:21:19.000 Let's drop it a little bit.
00:21:20.000 And so we did.
00:21:21.000 And we had a couple of other changes.
00:21:23.000 I won't get the weeds on.
00:21:24.000 And we thought it was a good deal.
00:21:26.000 So we took that forward.
00:21:27.000 The other thing we got...
00:21:29.000 We want to stop the fact that about 40 or 50% of the green news scam subsidies continue.
00:21:34.000 So we got a little bit shrinking down of that.
00:21:37.000 That's it.
00:21:37.000 We didn't ask for a ton.
00:21:38.000 But we thought it was paramount to move in that direction.
00:21:41.000 So that got, unfortunately, kind of taken off the table this morning.
00:21:44.000 So we got to get it back.
00:21:45.000 Yeah, Congressman, I want to go back to this 518 tweet.
00:21:48.000 So May 18th, you said...
00:21:52.000 You know, and this was the day you voted president.
00:21:55.000 It was big news.
00:21:56.000 But you got the bill through committee in that.
00:21:58.000 It was a big hurdle.
00:21:59.000 So you did that in good faith.
00:22:01.000 But you said it fails.
00:22:03.000 Okay, so you talk about this Green News scam.
00:22:08.000 It fails to end the Medicaid money laundering scam, and then it fails to roll back the Green News scam. 0.88
00:22:13.000 Didn't every single Republican in the House vote against the Green News scam?
00:22:19.000 Now, why would there be any...
00:22:21.000 Any tension from the Republican caucus, the conference, to not roll that back immediately?
00:22:27.000 Why are we delaying that?
00:22:29.000 Because what happens is, when you create a government program, then what happens?
00:22:35.000 People then start getting jobs and make money off those programs.
00:22:39.000 So then you have members of Congress going, whoa, whoa, whoa, we don't want to undo that.
00:22:43.000 My view is, look, we stop these subsidies.
00:22:46.000 Those people will transition to where we want them, which is to...
00:22:50.000 Natural gas-fired plants, nuclear-fired plants, reliable energy, other forms of power supply.
00:22:57.000 And rather than continuing to carry out putting solar panels and wind out there, which is unreliable and heavily subsidized and can't actually make the market without the subsidy.
00:23:06.000 So we want to get the subsidies out of the way.
00:23:08.000 But people get their pet projects.
00:23:10.000 The same thing with health care.
00:23:11.000 Once you start putting the programs out there, like take, for example, expansion states.
00:23:15.000 After Obamacare...
00:23:17.000 40 of the 50 states expanded.
00:23:19.000 So now they have these massive roles that are growing on Medicaid.
00:23:23.000 Texas, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, another six states.
00:23:26.000 We didn't expand.
00:23:27.000 So we're over here saying, hey, we're trying to save health care freedom.
00:23:30.000 And these other states are getting these massive, you know, subsidies for the able-bodied.
00:23:35.000 And we're saying, that ain't right.
00:23:37.000 So we want to fix that both for parity, for our states, but also for the country.
00:23:41.000 So that's what happens.
00:23:42.000 You put people in the dole, those rolls explode.
00:23:45.000 That's the real story here with Medicaid.
00:23:47.000 The rolls exploding because we're doling out money.
00:23:50.000 And by the way, unlike Medicare and Social Security, there's no tax for Medicaid.
00:23:54.000 It just comes out of the general fund.
00:23:57.000 That's why Medicaid went from $400 billion in 2019 to $600 billion this year and is scheduled to be $1 trillion in 2030.
00:24:04.000 Last point.
00:24:05.000 Full disclosure, my Republican colleagues, we have made progress.
00:24:08.000 The bill has moved the needle.
00:24:10.000 We've added work requirements, but we had to fight for that during the budget fight this last weekend.
00:24:14.000 They weren't good enough.
00:24:15.000 We made it better.
00:24:16.000 We're trying to close the deal.
00:24:18.000 We're almost there.
00:24:18.000 But to really make this work for President Trump and Americans, we've got to close the deal.
00:24:23.000 Yeah, and Congressman, I believe we've known you for a long time.
00:24:29.000 You've been a friend of the show.
00:24:30.000 You've always been very generous with your time.
00:24:33.000 I mean, I genuinely believe that the base wants more cuts.
00:24:37.000 The base wants more cuts, and it's putting everybody in kind of an awkward position because we want President Trump to get his bill, and we know he wants it, but we also know that actually what you guys are fighting for is in so many ways consistent with the things that we've heard him say, we've heard come out of this administration.
00:24:55.000 Why this...
00:24:56.000 Why this arbitrary deadline of Wednesday to push this vote?
00:25:00.000 We're not even going to have a CBO score.
00:25:03.000 I'm here.
00:25:04.000 Andy Harris, House Freedom Caucus chair, is saying that it's not going to pass right now.
00:25:09.000 So why push this in this way if we know we don't have the votes yet, but we're close, and people like you are working in good faith to get this to a point where it needs to be?
00:25:18.000 Well, it's always a double-edged sword here.
00:25:20.000 Like, you want to use whatever you can to try to move a bill through, get it done, get it over to the Senate, because we still have to work through them, get it back.
00:25:26.000 So I understand why the Speaker wants to move it.
00:25:28.000 But whenever you play these pressure games, these jet fumes holiday games, I think things get a little bit dicey, and you run the risk of them all exploding.
00:25:37.000 Do I think we can get the bill done?
00:25:38.000 I still do.
00:25:40.000 But we've got to get some changes.
00:25:41.000 So, you know, we go down to the White House.
00:25:43.000 We're going to have a good conversation, hopefully, with the president, with this great team.
00:25:46.000 We've been working in good faith together.
00:25:48.000 And, by the way, with the Speaker's team, there's no animosity here.
00:25:51.000 All this is is a team that's all trying to work to get the job done.
00:25:55.000 You know, remember there were some great scenes where, like, Peyton Manning is yelling at, like, Jeff Saturday on the sideline in a game.
00:26:01.000 But they're good buddies.
00:26:03.000 They get a beer afterward.
00:26:04.000 Like, look, we're in the heat of battle, and we're kind of yelling at each other on how to win the game.
00:26:08.000 But the president's the quarterback.
00:26:10.000 We're all out there, and we're wanting to follow and go get the job done.
00:26:14.000 But we need to do it the right way.
00:26:15.000 And we have a role here in Congress to do the same thing.
00:26:17.000 So that's the goal, and we hope we'll try to do it.
00:26:19.000 But we've got to get it done the right way, not just to get it done.
00:26:22.000 Yeah, Congressman, to be clear, however we do this bill, whether you guys get your concessions or whether the moderates get their concessions, this is going to expand the deficit, correct?
00:26:34.000 Okay, well, it depends on your perspective on that.
00:26:36.000 I'm a just facts guy.
00:26:38.000 I don't want to skew it.
00:26:39.000 If you take the CBO score and you assume the economic growth that I think you and I and a lot of us believe in, we assumed about 2.5% economic growth to create about $2.5 trillion of revenue over 10 years.
00:26:52.000 If you assume that growth and you factor that into the CBO score, you would assume we would actually have deficit over 10 years would actually go down by about $100 or $200 billion.
00:27:02.000 It's kind of finger in the air a bit.
00:27:04.000 But it's heavily back-weighted.
00:27:06.000 So a lot of deficits in the first five years.
00:27:09.000 Not enough deficits.
00:27:11.000 I mean, not enough, you know, I mean, the savings is all in the back here.
00:27:14.000 So I'm concerned.
00:27:15.000 That means we get all of the, you know, desserts and we get none of the, you know, spinach.
00:27:21.000 And we need to actually get that done the right way.
00:27:24.000 So to answer your question, they're going to say a lot of things.
00:27:27.000 The Democrats, oh my God, it's like $3 trillion of additional deficits.
00:27:30.000 I don't think that's right.
00:27:32.000 We believe economic growth comes out of low taxes, low regulations.
00:27:35.000 I'm with the president on that.
00:27:36.000 I'm with my Republican colleagues on that.
00:27:38.000 But I can't just assume it and then assume that we're going to get all the savings in year eight when we're going to be having a $450 billion deficit in 2026.
00:27:47.000 Even with dynamic growth, they assume that much deficit.
00:27:51.000 I've got a problem with that, and we're trying to squeeze that out and get expenses down.
00:27:56.000 What about tariff income?
00:27:57.000 Is that factored into the CBO score as well?
00:28:00.000 So it's not, and that's a variable that I think is important, right?
00:28:03.000 But we're not factoring that in because you can't, right?
00:28:06.000 It's not a law that we voted on.
00:28:09.000 The president can move those levers around, so you can't fully count on what that would be.
00:28:13.000 For example, if he's successful in telling Venezuela, hey, you're tariffed unless you take our illegals, you know, your illegals back, or, you know, if we're doing tariffs in China or whatever, and you start making success, well, then those revenues, they're going to go down.
00:28:27.000 So we can't count on them permanently, but we know there's revenue coming in.
00:28:31.000 So in the back of our minds, we're going, eh, okay, that's good.
00:28:34.000 Factor that in.
00:28:35.000 That's why I can accept some amount of early deficit numbers if we get the growth and the trajectory in the right direction.
00:28:42.000 But that's what we're trying to work on.
00:28:44.000 What about, so the SALT deal, right, which was worked on overnight, they got it to $40,000 with a $500,000 income cap.
00:28:54.000 Over 10 years, but then it doesn't snap back, apparently, at the end, right?
00:28:58.000 But I'm hearing that this thing is dead in the water in the Senate.
00:29:01.000 There's no blue state Republican Senate, at least not many of them.
00:29:05.000 It certainly would have issues in the Senate.
00:29:08.000 I recognize and believe that.
00:29:10.000 I would also note that while many of the president's priorities, like no tax on tips and extensions of the expensing from the tax cuts in jobs at, end in four or five years.
00:29:21.000 These go all the way through 10 years and would score $350 billion.
00:29:25.000 I don't think that was the right deal to cut yesterday by the Speaker.
00:29:29.000 I think that was a mistake.
00:29:31.000 The President yesterday morning came down and he said to Republicans, look, you Freedom Caucus guys, you've got to help me out here.
00:29:36.000 Let's focus on waste, fraud, and abuse on Medicaid.
00:29:39.000 We can't go the whole hog.
00:29:41.000 And he said to the salt guys, hey, you're not going to get more salt.
00:29:44.000 Let's keep it where it is.
00:29:45.000 Well, then we get a deal cut with the salt guys, and I'm going, hey, wait a minute.
00:29:50.000 We're over here and we want to try to get this done for the good of the country.
00:29:53.000 I'm not looking for, you know, a parochial tax benefit.
00:29:56.000 And by the way, as a Texan, there'll be some of my constituents who would benefit from their assault deal.
00:30:02.000 I just don't think it's a good deal.
00:30:03.000 If our taxes are too high in Texas, we should go down to Austin and say, hey guys, cut the taxes.
00:30:07.000 Don't ask for the feds to subsidize it.
00:30:10.000 So we got some work to do.
00:30:11.000 Hopefully we get this Medicaid stuff done today and land the plan.
00:30:14.000 But it does need to change.
00:30:16.000 Now, Medicaid, to me, I mean, people don't realize, Medicaid is the fastest-growing portion of the federal budget, and we are actively incentivizing really good states like Texas, Tennessee, Florida, because we're making the math not make sense for them to keep being disciplined.
00:30:32.000 So we're going to incentivize them to grow the roles further.
00:30:34.000 Once they come on, as you made a point, Chip, they're going to stay on.
00:30:37.000 It's going to be harder to get them off.
00:30:39.000 Chip Roy, yes.
00:30:42.000 Thank you for fighting for balanced budgets.
00:30:44.000 Thank you, sir.
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00:31:55.000 Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:31:57.000 Andrew Colvett in for the one and only Charlie Kirk.
00:32:00.000 There's an incredible moment happening right now inside the White House.
00:32:04.000 I have the team pulling the clip.
00:32:06.000 So President Trump has the president of South Africa in the Oval, and obviously there is a lot of controversy, I think wrongly placed controversy, over the Afrikaners being granted asylum in the United States.
00:32:22.000 People don't like it because they're white.
00:32:23.000 Let's just be honest what it is.
00:32:25.000 So President Trump just dimmed the lights in the Oval Office, played this clip for... 0.68
00:32:32.000 The president of South Africa, brutal videos of South Africa's leaders calling for the killing of white South African farmers.
00:32:41.000 He shows the burial sites of the farmers.
00:32:44.000 At some point, there must be killing, you can hear him say in the video.
00:32:49.000 And he literally dimmed the light and made this man watch the videos with his eyes.
00:32:57.000 So we are having a kind of a Zelensky 2.0 moment happening within the White House right now.
00:33:02.000 It's pretty remarkable.
00:33:04.000 We're going to get the clip.
00:33:05.000 We'll play it back so you guys can all hear it for yourself.
00:33:08.000 I mean, but what a powerful moment.
00:33:11.000 This is something else.
00:33:15.000 So we do have some B-roll of it.
00:33:16.000 But, I mean, he did it to his face.
00:33:19.000 Zelensky 2.0, to his face.
00:33:22.000 You never know what you're going to get with President Trump in an Oval Office.
00:33:28.000 We've just simply never, ever seen anything like this.
00:33:32.000 But yes, white South Africans, there's the clip right there.
00:33:35.000 White South Africans are getting targeted. 1.00
00:33:37.000 Their political leaders are chanting about killing them. 1.00
00:33:40.000 They are being murdered. 0.86
00:33:41.000 There's been scores of them murdered and targeted.
00:33:45.000 And President Trump is putting an absolute spotlight with moral clarity.
00:33:50.000 On the plight of white South African farmers being targeted because it has been the balkanization, the tribalization of this far-left ideology, this race hatred that has been allowed to just fester and grow in South Africa.
00:34:05.000 Good for President Trump to shine a light on it like no one else could.
00:34:08.000 So do we have this clip?
00:34:10.000 I think we almost got this clip.
00:34:12.000 So we've got it.
00:34:13.000 So President Trump is sitting in the Oval Office.
00:34:16.000 With the leader of South Africa, the president of South Africa, Cyril Ramaphosa. 0.97
00:34:28.000 And he's sitting in the White House with him and he dims the lights and he forces him to watch videos of South African political leaders calling for the death of whites. 0.98
00:34:37.000 Right to his face. 0.94
00:34:40.000 Turn the lights down.
00:34:42.000 Turn the lights down and just put this on.
00:34:45.000 It's right behind you.
00:34:47.000 There's nothing this parliament can do.
00:34:50.000 With or without you, people are going to occupy land.
00:34:54.000 We require no permission from you, from the president, from no one.
00:34:59.000 Now this is very bad.
00:35:02.000 These are burial sites right here.
00:35:06.000 Burial sites. 0.99
00:35:08.000 Over a thousand.
00:35:11.000 Of white farmers. 0.88
00:35:13.000 And those cars are lined up to pay love on a Sunday morning.
00:35:18.000 Each one of those white things you see is a cross.
00:35:23.000 And there's approximately a thousand of them.
00:35:27.000 They're all white farmers.
00:35:29.000 God bless President Trump.
00:35:31.000 President Trump, I want you guys to appreciate what you just heard or saw is a truly historic moment.
00:35:40.000 It is history unfolding before your eyes.
00:35:43.000 No other U.S. president would have ever pulled anything like that.
00:35:47.000 And God bless him for it.
00:35:49.000 It's the contrast to Joe Biden could not be more stark. 0.51
00:35:54.000 To feeble, decrepit, wandering, rudderless Joe Biden.
00:36:01.000 Whose morality had been so twisted up because of all of his far-left staffers and all of the constituencies and coalition members that he had to cater to.
00:36:11.000 There was no moral clarity, and now we have moral clarity.
00:36:15.000 In another way of saying it, President Trump is actually the leader of the free world.
00:36:25.000 Not only is he the center of the political universe, he is actually the leader of the free world, which goes back to what we talked about with Charlie being in the UK.
00:36:34.000 We are calling the West back to itself.
00:36:37.000 We are calling all of the West back to itself to return to its former glory.
00:36:41.000 And South Africa needs to live up to its own morality here.
00:36:47.000 Nelson Mandela, love him or hate him, most people seem to love him.
00:36:52.000 He fought for...
00:36:54.000 A more race, less colorblind, less South Africa, where everybody was free, that has been twisted and contorted and bastardized by the new political movements that want to take back land from white South Africans. 0.86
00:37:08.000 They want to harm and hurt them.
00:37:10.000 President Trump is shoving the truth right into Cyril's face, the president of South Africa.
00:37:18.000 And J.D. Vance going to Munich and calling Europe back to its liberal values, the liberal values that we share in America, of free speech, of equal application of the law, of colorblind meritocracy.
00:37:35.000 Trump bringing the receipts to the White House.
00:37:38.000 Never sleep on President Trump when he's got another foreign leader at the White House.
00:37:42.000 What a historic moment.
00:37:44.000 This could be part of The spark to reignite Western civilization, a Western civilization renaissance to remember who we are, to remember our greatness, and to never apologize for that greatness, but instead boldly grow it, go forth, and make our countries wonderful, great, free, prosperous, and rich again.
00:38:07.000 Nobody should be able to take that away from us.
00:38:10.000 It's our history.
00:38:11.000 We should own it.
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