00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk Show, Laura Logan joins us for questions about biolabs, Nazis in Ukraine, and the CIA's engagement in Ukraine.
00:00:08.000A very thought-provoking, fact-first episode.
00:00:11.000Laura Logan is a award-winning CBS News, former CBS News war correspondent.
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00:01:25.000I want to play a piece of tape here of a Russian Federation member at the Security Council from Russia talking about the biological activities in Ukraine.
00:01:34.000He was very precise, and obviously he could be just pushing Russian propaganda, or maybe there's something here about biochemical research, maybe gain of function research.
00:01:43.000We don't know of what's happening in Ukraine.
00:01:48.000We convened the meeting today because as Russia is conducting a special military operation in Ukraine, we discovered a truly shocking fact of emergency cleanup by the Kiev regime of the traces of a military biological program, which is being implemented by Kiev with support by the United States Ministry of Defense.
00:02:09.000Aimed at strengthening the pathogenic qualities of the plague, anthrax, tularemia, cholera, and other lethal diseases using synthetic biology.
00:02:26.000So someone is lying here, and the Russians very well might be lying.
00:02:34.000There really is very little gray area in this particular situation.
00:02:38.000Either there are research facilities that we're engaging in biochemical research or biomedical research or potential gain of function research, or there isn't.
00:03:38.000We do know that we were involved in gain of function research in Wuhan.
00:03:41.000Were we involved in gain of function research also in Ukraine?
00:03:44.000We do know that Ukraine was a Petri dish for the worst impulses of the American ruling class.
00:03:51.000If Hunter Biden needed to go earn $83,000 a month, he went to Ukraine.
00:03:55.000If Biden needed to go fire a prosecutor, he went to Ukraine.
00:04:00.000If you needed to go try to wage a proxy conflict against Russia, you went to Ukraine.
00:04:08.000Let's play a tape here of John McCain, where McCain was saying that we need to further involve ourselves in the Ukrainian conflict and that we need to ramp up the military potential intervention.
00:04:25.000We'll find that tape here, but it goes to show that it wouldn't be shocking or surprising.
00:04:30.000It's not as if all of a sudden we discovered gain of function research in Zambia, like some sort of random country.
00:04:36.000Ukraine has direct ties to the kind of corrupt intergovernmental private public partnership class of the United States government.
00:04:47.000We want to get to the truth, and you get to the truth by asking questions.
00:04:50.000This is exactly why on this program, we were months ahead on the Chinese coronavirus story, because we asked the right questions.
00:04:58.000The right questions will lead you to the answers the media does not want to have you.
00:05:02.000And I'm fully, I'm not dogmatic about this.
00:05:05.000This whole thing could be Russian propaganda about the biomedical research.
00:05:08.000But then why did Victoria Newland say that?
00:05:11.000Let's play Cut 105, just as an example of how Ukraine has been a, let's say, workshop.
00:05:18.000Ukraine has kind of been a seed funding enterprise for the worst impulses of Washington, D.C. Play Cut 105, please.
00:05:27.000I'm Senator John McCain, and it's always a pleasure to be back in Ukraine.
00:05:31.000Senator McCain was, in a sense, giving the people in the Medina a feeling that they had the backing of the most powerful country on earth.
00:05:40.000This is about the future you want for your country.
00:06:06.000He's not engaging in active diplomacy, something Donald Trump did very well.
00:06:10.000Not only was Donald Trump able to lead through peace through strength, but there's not a world leader he did not go and meet face to face with to try to broker peace.
00:06:19.000He went with Vladimir, he met with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, went out of his way to go meet with Kim Jong un, out of his way to meet with China.
00:06:26.000And despite being mocked and ridiculed by the entire media, the dictators and despots and authoritarians across the world, they did not move an inch into another sovereign country or territory.
00:06:38.000Laura Logan, whose reputation precedes her, she's terrific and phenomenal.
00:06:42.000Laura, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:06:47.000Just kind of tell us what are some of the biggest falsehoods or misleading kind of things that are happening in the media when it comes to the Russian-Ukrainian situation.
00:06:55.000The first trap is that you can be critical of Vladimir Putin, but also be critical of Ukraine at the same time.
00:07:55.000He's full of propaganda, but the reality is the Azov Battalion in Ukraine that is funded by the United States and NATO is a Nazi battalion.
00:08:03.000They carry the swastika with them onto the battlefield and with them.
00:08:08.000And the SS logos are built into their own patch.
00:08:11.000And so we really need to ask ourselves why we, as the United States of America, are funding Nazism in Ukraine at the same time as that we deem anyone who didn't vote for Joe Biden or perhaps voted for Trump as a white supremacist and a terrorist and a Nazi.
00:08:29.000So Laura, there's a lot there we're going to have to unpack, but the one in particular I want our audience to explore together is the bio labs.
00:08:37.000That's the thing I really want to go through.
00:08:38.000And then we can ask about the Azov Battalion as well.
00:09:10.000And is the United States involved at all?
00:09:12.000Okay, so it doesn't take a genius really to figure out, right, that, I mean, both the United States and the Russians have a history of dealing in bio weapons.
00:09:23.000We know this just from what we've learned about COVID.
00:09:27.000During the Cold War, of course, when the Soviet Union was in place, the Russians did build bioweapons facilities across the Soviet Union.
00:09:36.000Well, one of the things that happened is we have a program under the United States government where we have gone and DTRA, it's called.
00:09:46.000And you can actually go on the State Department website and you can look up that program.
00:09:50.000And it's, you know, it's the Threat Reduction Agency, right?
00:09:54.000And so we send in American scientists and doctors to go and break down, for example, Russian stockpiles of anthrax and other things that the Soviet Union and the United States agreed under international treaties that they wouldn't proliferate.
00:10:09.000The problem is that while the United States will tell you that they converted these bioweapons labs into public health facilities, right, and that they have only been interested in de-escalating, that they're not involved in bioweapons or anything like that.
00:10:27.000There's a couple of things that just don't add up.
00:10:29.000So, first of all, why the State Department came out and denied completely that they had anything to do with this is a mystery because that's a lie.
00:10:41.000Secondly, we don't know what they've been doing in those bio labs.
00:10:45.000And while they say that these are public health facilities, the fact that they're lying about it, the fact that they don't want to come clean about it, you know, makes people ask questions fairly, legitimately.
00:10:58.000The second problem is that on February 26, so not long before this conflict got underway, we're actually in the midst of it, the United States government deleted the locations and information about this open source program from its website.
00:11:18.000So I actually just sent your producer Andrew, I just sent him a list of all the facilities because, you know, I was onto the bioweapons labs some time ago.
00:11:28.000And so I asked cyber people that I know who are much smarter than me on this stuff to, you know, to capture anything that they could find that was legitimate.
00:12:05.000They tell you what they're doing, but not what they're really doing.
00:12:08.000They just tell you a little bit of it, maybe a piece of it, and they put the map out and they have cover, right?
00:12:13.000Because if you look at Ukraine and you look at what's been happening there in the last few years, they've had very strange outbreaks of botulism and COVID, SARS-like diseases and so on, right?
00:12:25.000That no one has been able to explain and that haven't been taking place anywhere else.
00:12:29.000Now imagine you're Vladimir Putin and you're supposed to take the United States at face value.
00:12:36.000First of all, you took over all of Russia's bioweapons facilities.
00:12:40.000So they know that these are bioweapons facilities.
00:12:47.000But we do know that there is a massive number of pharmaceutical companies and pharmaceutical development companies and bioscience companies who just happen to be headquartered in Ukraine.
00:13:01.000And, you know, when you're as an investigative journalist, I mean, that raises a red flag for me because it's not typical.
00:13:07.000Not every country in the world has that kind of, you know, infrastructure.
00:13:12.000And we're right, right fresh in the midst, which everyone seems to have forgotten about, of a pandemic that wasn't really a pandemic.
00:13:21.000That if you go back to the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Fauci knew years ago, his name is on paper and research at NIH that shows he knew that iver and hydroxychloroquine and all these things, you know, would treat COVID.
00:13:34.000And yet they withheld these treatments.
00:13:36.000We know that COVID is a product of gain of function research.
00:13:42.000No one's actually calling for the wet market, escape from the lab.
00:13:45.000Maybe it was a, you know, maybe it was a mistake kind of thing anymore because of the pattern of behavior that has followed.
00:13:53.000And we now have even one of the big investors at BlackRock, one of the portfolio managers there, who has broken away from BlackRock, he's out pointing out statistically how look at what we have, comorbidities.
00:14:08.000So, you know, while some people may believe that they're being saved and they're right, they're saving some people, they're actually murdering people.
00:14:14.000I want to just ask you specifically and dive into this.
00:14:17.000It's about this kind of biolab, which is this.
00:14:20.000Is it possible that Fauci's fingerprints were on the Ukrainian bio labs?
00:14:25.000And is it possible gain of function could have taken place in these bio-laboratories?
00:14:31.000In fact, there's some evidence emerging already that Fauci's fingerprints are on this.
00:14:35.000And, you know, as head of the National Institutes of Health, Fauci's fingerprints are probably pretty much on U.S. laboratories, especially when it comes to biological research all over the world, right?
00:14:51.000He's the guy that moved it all offshore.
00:14:53.000I mean, Fauci's fingerprints are on a lot of things.
00:14:56.000They also go back to AZT, which was presented as a panacea for AIDS and mimicked the progression of the disease and killed millions of people before anyone even knew it.
00:15:08.000And not only that, but his fingerprints are also on experiments on black foster children in seven states.
00:15:14.000I mean, that was reported on by NPR and NBC and CBS and so on.
00:15:19.000And what is amazing is how the media today has no memory of things that get in the way of these false narratives or these political traps, like you were just discussing, where you can only be one way or the other.
00:15:33.000And what, you know, what is coming out here is just ironic because Gensaki is accusing the Russians of disinformation and propaganda.
00:15:42.000And sure, the Russians are good at that.
00:16:10.000Oh, that turns out to be you, because you're funding them and you're protecting them and you're lying about them, right?
00:16:17.000And so the truth is, Charlie, we always have to remember that we don't know much more than we know, right, about this situation.
00:16:26.000But we know that the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine has official notifications on their website about the threat reduction program, admitting that they're involved in these labs and funding these labs and paying the salaries probably of Ukrainian scientists who are working in these labs.
00:16:41.000We know that Putin has demanded that they hand over some of these scientists.
00:16:46.000He does not content to have the actual physical evidence.
00:16:51.000And he wants, he's going to, you know, he's going all the way with this because the world has just emerged from a global situation that the U.S. fingerprints, Dr. Fauci's fingerprints are all over that.
00:17:06.000People no longer trust Dr. Fauci, the sad little man who has disappeared.
00:17:12.000They no longer trust the United States.
00:17:14.000They no longer trust the World Health Organization and these bodies who have lied and lied and lied.
00:17:19.000They are responsible for millions of deaths, for suffering and poverty.
00:17:24.000And we haven't even begun to count the full cost yet.
00:17:27.000So Laura, I'm going to play some tape here just from what Russia is saying.
00:17:32.000And again, I don't take what they say at all in a truthful face value, but somebody is lying.
00:17:36.000Either the Russian government is lying or the United States is lying.
00:17:40.000Let's go to Cut 77 of the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov, or maybe both.
00:17:45.000So, quote, we have information that the U.S. has built two biological warfare labs in Kiev and Odessa.
00:17:53.000It has arrived there, and we had data, and you have data that Pentagon, the Pentagon is preoccupied about the chemical and biological installations in Ukraine because Pentagon built two biological war labs, and they have been developing pathogens there in Kiev and in Odessa.
00:18:15.000And now they are concerned that they may lose control over these labs.
00:18:20.000So, Laura, before I have you respond, I also want to play Cut 88, and then the floor is yours after this cut.
00:18:25.000It's about a minute cut, but this is what started this whole thing, which gives it credibility, is Marco Rubio and Victoria Newland in the Senate going back and forth.
00:18:48.000Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?
00:18:52.000Ukraine has biological research facilities, which, in fact, we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of.
00:19:09.000So, we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach.
00:19:22.000I'm sure you're aware that the Russian propaganda groups are already putting out there all kinds of information about how they've uncovered a plot by the Ukrainians to release biological weapons in the country and with NATO's coordination.
00:19:34.000If there's a biological or chemical weapon incident or attack inside of Ukraine, is there any doubt in your mind that 100% it would be the Russians that would be behind it?
00:19:43.000There is no doubt in my mind, Senator, and it is classic Russian technique to blame on the other guy what they're planning to do themselves.
00:19:57.000Charlie, if anyone had any doubt about Marco Rubio, there you have it.
00:20:03.000The man is an absolute patsy and a puppet for this administration because that exchange, apart from the fact that it was so obviously rehearsed, they planned those questions in advance.
00:20:16.000They staged it to lead to that final answer and to push everything on to the Russians.
00:20:22.000And what really disturbs me about that is how fundamentally theatrical and dishonest it is.
00:20:29.000You cannot say in advance, is there any doubt in your mind that it would be this?
00:20:36.000That fits into the category of unknowable, because you have no control over the actions of various people from Ukraine who are on the ground.
00:20:46.000Secondly, you know, yes, the Russians, of course, they do propaganda.
00:21:28.000We know that they deleted files from their website.
00:21:31.000And we know that they hide things in plain sight.
00:21:33.000We know that we don't know what other things that they were working on in these labs, but we absolutely have unexplained botulism outbreaks and things like that that have been happening in Ukraine that have been killing Ukrainian people.
00:21:45.000We know that they're lying about who they're funding in the Ukrainian military.
00:21:49.000We know that the CIA, all the way back to the end of the Second World War, protected Ukraine's Nazis from prosecution at the Nuremberg trials.
00:22:10.000They were the ones who provided all the paperwork for these senior SS people to come and get out of Europe and escape any kind of accountability for their crimes and to live out their lives in other places.
00:22:23.000Why did the CIA under Operation Paperclip bring back the worst of the Nazis, the most evil of them all, and give them safe haven in the United States and citizenship and jobs for life and everything else?
00:22:37.000There is a dirty history here of the United States and the Nazis, and it's got nothing to do with Donald Trump and it's got nothing to do with the average American.
00:22:46.000It's got to do with our leaders who, if you want the classic example of what Victoria Newland said there, they accuse people of what they do themselves.
00:22:55.000Haven't they been accusing everybody of being Nazis for how many years now?
00:23:00.000And when all this time, they're the ones protecting Nazis.
00:23:03.000They're the ones arming Nazis with some of our most advanced military equipment.
00:23:09.000Remember that dirtbag, otherwise known as Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, who some lieutenant colonel who's going to sit there during the so-called sham impeachment trial and is going to tell the president of the United States what his policy should or shouldn't be in Ukraine?
00:23:54.000You had the ridiculous excuse of an ambassador who is after the election telling the Ukrainian government, don't worry about the legally elected president.
00:24:06.000Don't worry about the will of the people or the constitution or U.S. law.
00:24:10.000We are the real leaders of America, regardless of the election results.
00:24:15.000And we're the ones that you need to keep working with.
00:24:17.000And at the same time, by the way, Mitt Romney, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, again, and of course, Joe Biden, we're going to give your children millions of dollars.
00:24:26.000And then that fabulous interview you did with Pedro Gonzalez there, who he's talking about the National Endowment for Democracy.
00:24:58.000Remember, John Solomon's reporting was at the center of the Ukraine trial.
00:25:01.000It was all about the impeachment, the impeachment, right?
00:25:05.000Because John Solomon had proof that these SARS-funded groups were running the policy of the United States government through the U.S. embassy, telling Ukraine who they should and should not investigate for corruption.
00:25:18.000Don't investigate our corrupt bad guys, only the ones that we want you to get rid of.
00:25:23.000Laura, I want to get to two questions if we can.
00:25:25.000The first question, tell us about the Azov Battalion.
00:25:27.000I'm told it's only a small part of Ukrainian troops, 5,000 people.
00:25:31.000There seems to be a lot of effort to disqualify it.
00:25:33.000How widespread and how influential is that?
00:25:35.000And then also talk about the Central Intelligence Agency and how involved they've been in Ukrainian activity over the last couple of decades.
00:26:02.000And right next to that, of course, the schwatsticker.
00:26:04.000And of course, on the other side, NATO's flag.
00:26:06.000But what I want to point out to you is this, this for the AZOF battalion, and anybody can look up their insignia, this sideways kind of lightning there, that is the insignia of the Nazi SS, okay?
00:26:21.000And what that is, is the black sun of the occult, because the SS, what many people don't realize, had a really dark occult dimension to it.
00:26:31.000And that is central to really understanding who these people are.
00:26:36.000I just want you to imagine that in the United States military, we had one unit of 5,000 out of our professional military that walked around with the Schwatsticker as their flag.
00:26:48.000I mean, come on to say that it doesn't matter that these people exist.
00:26:54.000So basically, Putin said he was coming in to get rid of the Nazis and demilitarize Ukraine, right?
00:27:01.000We know because everyone from Eric Swoval to Nancy Pelosi to Lindsey Graham to Amy Klubashar to all of these people who are so desperate to go to war in Ukraine have been given Ukraine weapons.
00:27:11.000We've been giving them billions of U.S. tax dollars.
00:27:16.000Well, we now know that those units using U.S. weapons, paper with U.S. tax dollars, have been murdering Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the east of the country.
00:27:28.000They have also been expanding in violation of all of their agreements and treaties and promises to Russia that they wouldn't bring NATO to their door.
00:27:37.000And they have been interfering in the internal politics of Ukraine.
00:27:42.000The CIA-backed color revolution that Pedro was talking about, right down to Victoria and Newland discussing and picking who the people would be in the government, to the Soros Open Society, National Endowment people dictating U.S. policy through the Ukrainian embassy.
00:27:56.000And then let's not forget, okay, that this also ties back to Russia collusion, because the people who were instrumental in framing Donald Trump and stealing just how many hundreds of millions of dollars in tax money from this country in crippling a presidency that could have done a lot policy-wise to help this country-many of them came from Ukraine.
00:28:21.000Alexandra Chalupa is the Democratic operative and lobbyist who was working with the Ukrainians.
00:28:26.000Remember, she got the Ukrainian ambassador.
00:28:28.000She got him to write this letter before saying that Ukraine did not support Donald Trump and they supported Hillary Clinton.
00:28:35.000That broke with diplomatic protocol for every country on earth, interfering in the domestic politics of a U.S. election, right?
00:28:43.000Which is a no-no in the diplomatic core.
00:28:45.000And then don't forget what put Paul Manafort behind bars.
00:28:48.000Magically, this ledger appeared that so-called detailed all of the payments, right?
00:28:55.000Well, now there's serious, serious questions about the legitimacy of that so-called ledger that probably there's a high likelihood was manufactured.
00:29:04.000So the roots of much of what the United States has been going through the last few years are in Ukraine.
00:29:10.000And something that this has exposed, which to me is critical, is that we now see who the traitors are: Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, Amy Klobuchar.
00:29:23.000These people do not represent the United States of America.
00:29:39.000And why do we pretend that the size of the Azov battalion has got anything to do with it?
00:29:44.000This is funded by the U.S., it's funded by NATO.
00:29:48.000It defines itself not just in the occult and in the Nazis, but in the heart of the most evil part of the Nazis, the Nazi SS, which, by the way, don't be fooled by the history, right?