The Charlie Kirk Show - Dismantling the Antifa-NGO Alliance + AMA 263

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00:01:19.000 It's Friday, the 24th of April, right here in Phoenix, Arizona at the YRefi Studios.

00:01:26.000 Howdy.

00:01:26.000 Welcome, Blake.

00:01:27.000 So we're going to get right into it.

00:01:29.000 There's a lot of breaking news today, but I had the opportunity to have Savannah Hernandez join us today. 1.00

00:01:34.000 She, as you know, was assaulted in. 0.88

00:01:38.000 Minneapolis in Hennepin County, at getting some B roll there.

00:01:42.000 She's a TPSA Frontlines journalist.

00:01:44.000 And after that, she kind of had to take some time and she's back.

00:01:49.000 So I wanted to have her on as soon as she was ready to get her story.

00:01:53.000 Without further ado, Savannah Hernandez, welcome back to the show.

00:01:57.000 Thanks for having me, Andrew.

00:01:58.000 I wish it was under better circumstances.

00:02:01.000 Yeah, well, you look good.

00:02:02.000 And I know we've been staying in touch behind the scenes as you've been kind of processing everything that happened.

00:02:08.000 First of all, you know, And by the way, we would have had you on immediately after, but you were going through something, and we wanted to give you space, and hopefully, you're feeling better now.

00:02:19.000 But tell us.

00:02:21.000 For the audience that doesn't know, tell us what happened.

00:02:25.000 And then we're going to get into some of the aftermath that we've been dealing with.

00:02:29.000 And just for your own edification, we've got Harmeet Dillon coming on and we're going to be asking her about all of the legal proceedings and what progress is being made or needs to still be made.

00:02:42.000 So that comes at the half hour mark of this hour.

00:02:45.000 So tell us your story, Seth.

00:02:46.000 Sure.

00:02:47.000 So first off, thank you for giving me the time to kind of cope with this.

00:02:51.000 You know, I've been working in media for.

00:02:53.000 For the last six years.

00:02:56.000 And I'm very much used to being in very volatile situations and then still getting on air and discussing what happened.

00:03:04.000 This is not the first time that I've been mobbed and attacked.

00:03:07.000 However, it was one of the most violent assaults that I've experienced.

00:03:10.000 So I did get a concussion as a result of this.

00:03:13.000 And I was kind of just trying to push through my media hits.

00:03:16.000 And then I just realized, you know, I can't keep watching the footage.

00:03:20.000 I can't.

00:03:20.000 I don't want to keep talking about this.

00:03:21.000 And I also physically am just not doing well.

00:03:24.000 So, I just decided to, you know, take the week last week.

00:03:27.000 So, thank you for giving me the time.

00:03:29.000 But basically, you know, I'm sure everybody's seen this.

00:03:31.000 For those who haven't, I was at a national protest against ICE day and I happened to go to Minneapolis.

00:03:40.000 I have been watching what's been happening there.

00:03:42.000 I've been covering illegal immigration extensively for the last four years and didn't go when the, you know, major ICE protests were happening in January.

00:03:51.000 And so, I figured I would kind of go check out the scene, go check out the Whipple Ice building and go cover this.

00:03:55.000 Protest, right?

00:03:56.000 And just kind of gauge where the protesters were at and what the scene was like.

00:04:01.000 Now, in situations like this, I very much just conduct point and shoot observational journalism because a lot of the time these left wingers are very violent.

00:04:10.000 And so I was there to do that, but it didn't matter.

00:04:12.000 I was still violently assaulted.

00:04:14.000 I was identified as a journalist who works for Turning Point USA.

00:04:17.000 And after that, chaos ensued.

00:04:20.000 I was initially identified by William Scott Kelly, who is the same protester who was already arrested a couple months back for storming a church in Minneapolis.

00:04:28.000 And shutting down the entire church service, resulting in children crying in fear because these violent protesters were in there screaming at people.

00:04:36.000 He was the same guy that came up to me and identified me.

00:04:39.000 He began badgering me with very hostile questions.

00:04:42.000 At that point, I was still trying to defuse the situation and just do journalism.

00:04:46.000 I was like, okay, well, talk to me about why you're here.

00:04:48.000 Why is this important to you?

00:04:49.000 How many months have you guys been on the ground protesting for?

00:04:52.000 Discuss why you're angry.

00:04:54.000 It didn't matter.

00:04:55.000 Again, like I said, no matter what you say in that moment, we know that the left wing has become extremely radicalized and violent.

00:05:04.000 It didn't matter what I said.

00:05:05.000 They were trying to twist my words.

00:05:06.000 They were just angry that I was even present in there.

00:05:08.000 And I was told to get the F out, to which I responded, I don't have to.

00:05:11.000 I'm on a public street and I have a right to be here.

00:05:14.000 Now, it didn't matter.

00:05:15.000 At that point, I was getting mobbed.

00:05:16.000 And I did walk over to a portion of the fence where I was hoping police would see me and see the situation that was unfolding because I didn't want to have.

00:05:25.000 To walk through a mob on my own because, again, typically in a mob situation where everyone is surrounding you, screaming at you, and like obviously hates you, trying to walk through them when they very clearly want to hurt you is not the best idea.

00:05:37.000 So I was standing off to the side, kind of hoping that the cops would come and defuse the situation.

00:05:41.000 They never did.

00:05:42.000 So at that point, I was like, okay, I'm going to have to walk out because Diana Shrushko, we have a whole family here, Diana, Chris, and Paige Shrushko that committed this very violent assault.

00:05:52.000 Other unnamed defendants as well who were swinging sex toys in my face and, you know, hitting me with them.

00:05:59.000 But basically, these two, as you see on screen, were the ones that initially came up to me and started making a huge issue.

00:06:04.000 And Chris and Paige had already body checked me and were screaming very violently at me.

00:06:08.000 I tried to walk away from them.

00:06:11.000 You know, you did catch Chris on camera.

00:06:13.000 There's an angle of him instructing his daughter Paige to come up to me and blow a whistle in my ear.

00:06:19.000 At that point, I'm just trying to walk away from these people.

00:06:21.000 They won't let me walk away from them.

00:06:23.000 They're following me as I'm trying to leave. 1.00

00:06:25.000 Paige then decides to slam me on the ground.

00:06:27.000 After I get up, I have my arm out to try to defuse the situation even more because I'm like, I'm not going to fight back.

00:06:33.000 Against these people.

00:06:33.000 I'm outnumbered.

00:06:34.000 I also, I'm not here to fight people.

00:06:36.000 I'm just here to do my job. 0.93

00:06:39.000 You know, Paige slams me down. 1.00

00:06:41.000 She's throwing punches. 1.00

00:06:42.000 Her mom then comes up to me from behind as I'm trying to leave and, you know, accuses me of hitting her daughter.

00:06:49.000 I'm still trying to leave at that point.

00:06:50.000 And then Chris comes up behind me.

00:06:52.000 This man is about three times my size and he slams me to the ground.

00:06:57.000 I get up. 1.00

00:06:57.000 The first thing I see is Paige in front of me again. 1.00

00:07:00.000 I'm like, okay, these people are clearly not going to let me leave.

00:07:02.000 And so I basically, I'm like trying to push my way out of the situation.

00:07:05.000 Deanna and Paige then come and tackle me again.

00:07:08.000 Now, this entire family has since continued to state that I was the aggressor the entire time.

00:07:14.000 Chris states that he was protecting his family because I guess I was a very violent safety threat to this family, Andrew, as I was trying to leave.

00:07:23.000 They have gone on an entire press tour.

00:07:25.000 And I mean, the reason why it's taken me some time to even just come back on air and talk about this one, you know, I don't want to keep reliving it, but two, like we have to because these people aren't in jail.

00:07:36.000 They're still out free.

00:07:37.000 They're actually on social media bragging about how they're free and how they're enjoying the casino and they're enjoying going to Target.

00:07:45.000 We have this image too.

00:07:47.000 This is daughter Paige Ostrushko on social media.

00:07:50.000 She said, So unbothered that I went from being assaulted by, and she has a toilet paper roll, that she claims she was assaulted, and the police to doxxed and trending on Twitter for a week, being sent threats constantly, rumors of my arrest to gambling at the casino free.

00:08:07.000 LOL.

00:08:09.000 So, these are the quality of people that we're dealing with here.

00:08:12.000 And the brazenness and the audacity to say that they were assaulted by you when we've all seen the footage of you trying to get away from them and then consistently attacking you is really rich.

00:08:25.000 I mean, that's a really, I mean, we have the footage.

00:08:31.000 I don't know what they think they're going to get away with here, but maybe they're just banking on liberal judges, liberal prosecutors in Hennepin County.

00:08:38.000 Does that seem to be the case, Savannah?

00:08:42.000 I mean, I would argue so.

00:08:43.000 Obviously, this is an ongoing investigation at both the state and federal level.

00:08:47.000 But regarding the state level, it has been almost two weeks.

00:08:51.000 Saturday will be two weeks since this very clear attack happened on camera in 4K Ultra HD.

00:08:57.000 It's pretty cut and dry.

00:08:59.000 There has been no public statement from the county DA's office.

00:09:05.000 I've spoken to them on a personal level, and they basically have just told me, like, yeah, we'll have more information within the week.

00:09:10.000 But there has really been.

00:09:13.000 No statement.

00:09:14.000 And like I said, these people are still out free, which is just very frustrating to me because instead of sitting in jail after assaulting somebody who was doing nothing to them, these people are on a press tour attesting that they are not violent and that, again, they are the real victims here.

00:09:28.000 We have some clips here we need to just play because I think people will be shocked when they realize just how, I don't know, offensive, obnoxious these people are, the Strusco family.

00:09:40.000 Let's play SAT 2.

00:09:42.000 Maybe you guys do get doxxed, but.

00:09:46.000 I don't know if you guys are getting the same type of stuff that we're getting, and it's non stop.

00:09:51.000 It's hundreds of phone calls a day, it's text messages, and them trying to get into all of our social media accounts and contacting our friends, our neighbors, our family.

00:10:04.000 It's a little overwhelming and makes me second guess even living in this country, to be honest with you.

00:10:11.000 Oh, so oh no, yeah, they're they feel bad that he pushed a woman, assaulted a woman violently.

00:10:21.000 Had his whole family involved in the assault, and now he's the victim.

00:10:25.000 This is their victim tour.

00:10:27.000 It's pretty offensive, Sav.

00:10:29.000 It's got to just be infuriating being in your position.

00:10:32.000 Yeah, you know, it's also just comical at this point.

00:10:36.000 Like, I go through phases of being very angry and then also just laughing because it's like, am I living in crazy land?

00:10:42.000 What universe am I in where this man legitimately thought he could assault a woman on camera and that people were going to be on his side?

00:10:49.000 If anything, it has reinstilled my hope in America.

00:10:52.000 I'm like, okay, incredible.

00:10:53.000 We all can agree.

00:10:54.000 You know, and primarily too, there's like a lot of people on the left that are like, yeah, don't attack women.

00:10:59.000 And it's actually really funny because a lot of the left wing streamers that were there that hate me, they even put out statements immediately and they were like, yeah, we hate this girl.

00:11:08.000 We hate everything she stands for, but she wasn't doing anything and we probably shouldn't put our hands on women.

00:11:13.000 So it's like, if you're that extreme, I'm glad that we can at least come together on, you know, agreeing that it's bad to assault women when you're three times as much as a journalist in general.

00:11:27.000 You know, I have a lot of problems with journalists.

00:11:29.000 I think journalists are annoying.

00:11:30.000 I think they're largely a, not you, Sav, but in general, journalists are annoying, so called journalists.

00:11:37.000 And they do a lot of harm to this country, actually. 0.98

00:11:39.000 But, like, never in a million years would I think it's okay to go out on the street and then, you know, shove somebody to the ground, kick them, punch them, assault them, and get in their face with sex toys. 0.98

00:11:49.000 And, like, I mean, what a waste of a lot of journalists I do that to. 0.99

00:11:52.000 Well, yeah, you might want to, but you wouldn't.

00:11:55.000 All right, I'm going to play Paige.

00:11:57.000 This is Paige, again, bragging about she's free, SOP4.

00:12:00.000 She's currently walking free in Atari to everybody that thinks she's been arrested. 0.97

00:12:11.000 So she's just goading, she's just mocking law enforcement here.

00:12:15.000 After I got a hold of these social media clips, because of course I've posted them because people are following along with this story, they want to make sure that justice is served.

00:12:23.000 They ended up both Paige and her father making both of their social media accounts private because I think they realized that going on this press tour and gloating about how they're not being held responsible is a really bad look for them.

00:12:35.000 So, um, yeah, it was funny.

00:12:37.000 They put this out, they immediately made all of their accounts even more private than they already were, so nobody.

00:12:42.000 Could continue collecting again this evidence of them.

00:12:46.000 And it's just so crazy, too, Andrew, because you know what?

00:12:48.000 Shout out to these left wing streamers that do hate me, but they are the ones that did end up catching Chris, instructing his daughter to come assault me.

00:12:56.000 And then they also caught Deanna after I had left the scene, admitting to tackling me to the ground and admitting that she ran away before the police could get her.

00:13:05.000 Because, you know, as of now, there have been no charges referred for Deanna.

00:13:11.000 And then it was only misdemeanor charges that were.

00:13:14.000 By the sheriff's department for Chris and Paige as well.

00:13:17.000 So we'll see what ends up happening with this.

00:13:20.000 Like I said, this is all still ongoing, but at the end of the day, Andrew, it shouldn't take somebody who goes viral for justice to be served.

00:13:29.000 And it's really frustrating to me that Hennepin County has been allowing this type of activity to take place for so long that the protesters think that this is their right to do.

00:13:37.000 It's their right to assault people that they don't like.

00:13:39.000 It's their right to assault people that they don't agree with, because keep in mind, I am one of the Many people, this has happened to in Minneapolis, in Minnesota, over even just the last six months, because this is what the DA's office allows.

00:13:53.000 And it's very frustrating to me because I don't understand how our justice system has gotten so just diluted and destroyed to where this is the norm for people.

00:14:04.000 And this whole family is still walking free.

00:14:07.000 I mean, candidly, I mean, you see this in California, you see this in New York, Hennepin County is no different.

00:14:07.000 Yeah.

00:14:14.000 It's an anarcho tyranny where they will enforce the letter of the law to the most exacting extent if it's a conservative.

00:14:23.000 But if it's one of theirs, something they agree with, then they'll let everything slide.

00:14:27.000 They'll sweep it under the rug.

00:14:28.000 You see it with the entitlement of that guy where he's pouting, oh, we're getting ducks on the internet.

00:14:33.000 They really do think it's just their day at the races, just go out and shove people, punch people.

00:14:41.000 It's like going to church for them.

00:14:44.000 We're infringing on their religious beliefs, really.

00:14:46.000 Yeah, no, and these are lawless hellholes.

00:14:49.000 And honestly, it's outposts of lawlessness right here in the United States of America.

00:14:53.000 And it's incredibly infuriating because if you go back to where all of this started, it was really local law enforcement that allowed the protesters in the Minneapolis area to get out of control in the first place.

00:15:08.000 They wanted to see Minneapolis explode into a war zone, and they got what they wanted.

00:15:12.000 Sure, it cost them a couple dead vigilantes that were using their cars in the instance of Alex Preddy.

00:15:19.000 I mean, he kicked a car.

00:15:21.000 He was absolutely antagonizing ICE agents and law enforcement officers, and they got what they wanted.

00:15:27.000 So, what they lost a few, they won the PR battle, and you know, that's that's for them is exactly what they wanted.

00:15:33.000 So, to hell with the law, to hell with order, chaos rules supreme.

00:15:37.000 And it's really disappointing, and that's why we have to have federal action on this case because we have to send a message.

00:15:44.000 It's bigger than what happened.

00:15:46.000 I mean, you got.

00:15:47.000 You got assaulted.

00:15:48.000 Your body took a beating.

00:15:50.000 I know it's been emotional for you, but it's even bigger than that.

00:15:53.000 You had the concussion.

00:15:55.000 It's bigger than that.

00:15:56.000 We have to send a message to people like this.

00:15:59.000 They're vigilantes, really.

00:16:01.000 They're the left's foot soldiers that it's not okay to do this, and the law and justice will be coming for you.

00:16:08.000 You will serve time.

00:16:09.000 You will be held accountable.

00:16:11.000 And that's the message here.

00:16:12.000 So, Savannah, we're going to stay on this, and we're going to be asking Harmeet Dillon about this in just about five minutes.

00:16:17.000 So, thank you for coming on.

00:16:18.000 We appreciate it, Sav.

00:16:20.000 Thanks, Andrew.

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00:18:14.000 Without further ado, Harmeet Dillon, she's the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights at the Department of Justice.

00:18:20.000 We're honored to have her.

00:18:21.000 Welcome back to the show, Harmeet.

00:18:23.000 Thanks for having me again.

00:18:24.000 It's great to see you.

00:18:26.000 You know, you're doing a phenomenal job in a very tough environment.

00:18:29.000 I mean, if anybody is unaware, the DOJ, you guys got a lot coming at you.

00:18:35.000 There's a lot of people demanding things of you all the time.

00:18:37.000 And you have been, in spite of that, able to continue to play offense, Harmeet.

00:18:42.000 And so you deserve a lot of credit for that.

00:18:44.000 We've got this. 0.74

00:18:45.000 We just had Savannah Hernandez on before you. 1.00

00:18:48.000 She had to take kind of a break for media. 1.00

00:18:50.000 I had been asking her, hey, can you come on and give your story?

00:18:52.000 And she's like, I just need a little bit more time.

00:18:55.000 Today, she said she was ready to tell kind of where she's at.

00:18:58.000 And, you know, one of the things when you talk to her is she's pretty upset that Hennepin County has not been more aggressive.

00:19:03.000 It's basically misdemeanor, slap on the wrist, kind of, we'll update you when we know more kind of thing.

00:19:09.000 What can you tell me about maybe the federal level, about maybe the DOJ pursuing an investigation there?

00:19:17.000 Well, thanks for asking.

00:19:18.000 And what happened to Savannah is really outrageous and should never be permitted in any American city.

00:19:23.000 But we have been seeing this kind of thing happening for years.

00:19:25.000 And as you know, Andrew, before I joined the DOJ, I was a lawyer for many conservative journalists, including Andy Noh and others who were attacked in this manner by Antifa and other sort of these so called black box and anti fascist groups.

00:19:40.000 So this recent thing that we're seeing with regard to ICE is just an outgrowth of all of that.

00:19:45.000 It's funded from abroad.

00:19:46.000 Neville Singham and others are part of shadowy networks that fund these types of Protests in the United States that are really designed to disrupt our government.

00:19:54.000 And I think it's very concerning.

00:19:57.000 What I can tell you is as you know, we already have investigations going on in Minnesota regarding some of the characters there who are attacking our ICE and who are doing protests, so called protests.

00:20:07.000 We've indicted 39 people for invading the city's church in St. Paul.

00:20:14.000 One of the individuals in this mob who was egging on the attacks on Savannah appears to be one of the individuals involved in that matter.

00:20:21.000 But you know, there's a line between speech and action.

00:20:24.000 We saw at least three people.

00:20:25.000 Appear to attack Savannah there.

00:20:27.000 And so, what I can tell you is that we do have lawyers and investigators on the ground there who are looking into attacks on journalists and attacks on ICE.

00:20:38.000 I can't say more until there may be a development in court, but please rest assured that protecting the First Amendment is incredibly important to this Department of Justice and also protecting our law abiding and patriotic ICE officers in doing their jobs is very important to us.

00:20:56.000 Mob action like this is designed to intimidate both our law enforcement and also the journalists who seek to document these attacks.

00:21:05.000 And it's important to America that we shut it down, not only in Minnesota, but everywhere we find it.

00:21:10.000 We're committed to that at the Department of Justice.

00:21:12.000 So, Harmi, I'm assured because I know you, kind of the subtext of what you're saying there.

00:21:20.000 So, you mentioned this.

00:21:22.000 You didn't say his name, but it's William Scott.

00:21:24.000 I think it was Kelly.

00:21:25.000 William Scott Kelly.

00:21:26.000 Yeah.

00:21:26.000 So, he's the city's church guy that was storming in there.

00:21:30.000 He was also, according to Savannah Hernandez, the one that identified her to this mob and then kind of egged people on.

00:21:38.000 At what point does that type of behavior become incitement?

00:21:42.000 Because I have another incitement question for you after you answer this.

00:21:46.000 Well, it's very fact specific.

00:21:48.000 I'm not the investigator.

00:21:49.000 So, you know, we do have a.

00:21:51.000 I know people are frustrated by this in our online world.

00:21:54.000 I know you're more sophisticated, but we have investigators who go and do interviews.

00:21:58.000 We interviewed, I will say, we interviewed and preserved Savannah's input early on in this case, the very weekend that it happened.

00:22:07.000 I made sure prosecutors and our law enforcement were out there to take her statement.

00:22:12.000 That's been done.

00:22:14.000 Then you have to take statements of other people and witnesses, look at the camera angles and all of that.

00:22:18.000 And then there's pretty much case law that tells us there's a Brandenburg and there are other cases that tell us sort of the Dividing line between protected speech and incitement.

00:22:29.000 So I'm not going to prejudge that.

00:22:31.000 We have to take cases either to a judge or a grand jury.

00:22:34.000 And, you know, I don't want to get ahead of that.

00:22:34.000 Right.

00:22:37.000 When you talk about incitement, so I'm going to throw up a theoretical here.

00:22:41.000 Hassan Piker has made a lot of news this week because he's talking about social murder and he's justifying the assassination of Brian Thompson.

00:22:53.000 Yes, the CEO of United Healthcare.

00:22:56.000 Sorry, I just blanked on his name.

00:22:57.000 But then, so this, so people are starting to dig up his clips, right?

00:23:01.000 Hassan Piker.

00:23:02.000 And there's a clip here. 0.64

00:23:03.000 It's like, he says, if you cared about Medicare fraud, you would kill Rick Scott.

00:23:09.000 Sot 10. 0.97

00:23:10.000 If you cared about Medicare fraud or Medicaid fraud, you would kill Rick Scott.

00:23:16.000 So this is just him kind of off the cuff.

00:23:18.000 But then you see other things that he said.

00:23:20.000 He's just, he's talked about like stabbing people.

00:23:23.000 He's now talking about social murder to justify assassination culture.

00:23:28.000 Like, I'm as huge of a defender of the First Amendment as anybody.

00:23:33.000 It's what Charlie stood for.

00:23:34.000 But at what point do we get into it?

00:23:37.000 Like, you are inciting people to do crazy stuff.

00:23:41.000 You're inciting people.

00:23:42.000 And by the way, we've got the SPLC news this week, which I'd love to have you opine on as well.

00:23:48.000 Well, so this is not that hard of a question, actually.

00:23:52.000 The standard requires that it be an incitement to imminent violence.

00:23:57.000 And so the crowd situation, you know, that we are just describing vis a vis Savannah is much closer to incitement. 0.96

00:24:05.000 If the facts pan out, than Hassan Piker spewing his garbage on the internet.

00:24:13.000 Because I don't think a court would find there to be, unless there is a circumstance where he's talking directly to an individual with a knife poised above a person's body, that that would be an imminent incitement to an imminent violence.

00:24:25.000 And so I know that's unsatisfactory for people, but that's kind of what the Supreme Court has ruled.

00:24:33.000 And it's over inclusive of speech and under inclusive of.

00:24:37.000 You know, criminal activity.

00:24:39.000 You're just saying the standard is imminent, imminent violence.

00:24:42.000 Yeah, so if a Todd Piker is standing in a mob and saying, that's, you know, fill in the blank, law enforcement official, get them, get them, and someone is standing next to them with a rock or a gun or a knife, that could be considered incitement to imminent violence.

00:25:01.000 All right.

00:25:02.000 Well, we brought up the SPLC, and we have to recall that they have no great love affair.

00:25:08.000 With you either.

00:25:09.000 So, here's a headline when you were nominated for Assistant Attorney General.

00:25:15.000 SPLC expresses concern over Harmeet Dillon's nomination.

00:25:20.000 So, with all the news, I figured it was appropriate, Harmeet, to give you an opportunity to reflect on the indictments that were delivered this week.

00:25:30.000 Well, you know, their history with me, I've commented on them going back to 2017.

00:25:34.000 And when Jeff Sessions was the Attorney General here, he talked about their conduct, and I went on Fox News and talked about it as well.

00:25:42.000 So, I've known about their shenanigans for years, and I've had many clients over the years, nonprofit organizations, Andy Noh is another one, who got onto their hate map and were characterized as hateful agents and entities. 0.86

00:25:54.000 And at the end of the story, where they're tagging me as being a horrible thing for civil rights because I'm not sufficiently good for black and brown people, I'm not the right kind of brown person, apparently, they say that their purpose in life is to get rid of white supremacy.

00:26:13.000 And that kind of social constructs, when in fact, we now know they were creating the very thing that they claim to be fighting against, which is very good for business if you're in the hate mongering business against conservatives.

00:26:27.000 And there was apparently an insufficient supply of hatred in our country on the right, so they had to manufacture it.

00:26:34.000 It is a truly shocking story, and I tend to believe that this is only the tip of the iceberg.

00:26:38.000 SPLC gets money laundered through various different channels.

00:26:43.000 So, you know, you might see an Obama Foundation.

00:26:47.000 Give money to some intermediary, such as Tides, Ford, and some others, and then they launder that into SPLC.

00:26:54.000 And I believe there are probably plenty of others, much less prominent than SPLC, who are getting this kind of money.

00:27:00.000 SPLC has a huge amount of money offshore, by the way, as well.

00:27:04.000 So I'm sure my colleagues who are looking into money laundering and financial crimes are very interested in that.

00:27:13.000 And I think we're just stretching the tip of the iceberg here.

00:27:15.000 I feel vindicated in this regard.

00:27:17.000 Yeah, so we have one minute before the break.

00:27:20.000 Could there be additional things just against SPLC?

00:27:22.000 I know they've had complaints against them for decades.

00:27:25.000 People on the left have said the organization is a con.

00:27:29.000 Morris Dees left under a cloud and they said this will totally be investigated and nothing was ever heard again.

00:27:35.000 Is this maybe just the beginning of what we have against the SPLC?

00:27:38.000 Could more be forthcoming in that case?

00:27:41.000 Look, again, we never tried to tip our hand about what we're doing, but we've started with the type of crimes that eventually took down the mob in the United States.

00:27:53.000 Elliot Ness kind of started out with tax fraud and then, you know, it went from there.

00:27:59.000 And so sometimes things start out with what looks like a less sexy approach, but I think you start unraveling the thread and you're going to see a lot there.

00:28:08.000 A lot of us on the right knew that there was shady stuff happening there.

00:28:12.000 Nobody had the will until this DOJ, starting under Pam Bondi and now continuing under Todd Blanche's great leadership, to actually do something about it.

00:28:20.000 Harmeet, you just broke some news right before coming on the air.

00:28:25.000 You have launched a lawsuit.

00:28:27.000 I believe I've got the details right.

00:28:32.000 You say proud to intervene in XAI's lawsuit.

00:28:34.000 So you're challenging Colorado's law that forces AI companies to discriminate based on race, sex, and religion, all in the name of DEI.

00:28:43.000 Tell us about this.

00:28:44.000 Yeah, I'm really excited about this lawsuit, Andrew.

00:28:47.000 It's the first case in which the Department of Justice has entered the fray in this AI algorithm wokeness feud that's happening.

00:28:57.000 Foreshadowed this back in December.

00:28:59.000 He issued an executive order saying that he was opposed to, and the United States is opposed to excessive meddling by states, creating a patchwork of regulations regarding the very important industry of artificial intelligence where the United States has and needs to maintain its dominance.

00:29:14.000 So that's a policy issue.

00:29:16.000 But the civil rights issue that we're confronting, and I'm doing this case together with my colleague Brett Shoemate in the civil division, so we're partnering on this.

00:29:24.000 We are intervening in XAI's lawsuit that they filed two weeks ago to challenge Colorado's law that goes into effect in June of this year.

00:29:31.000 And that law is problematic in a couple of different ways.

00:29:33.000 First of all, it requires companies like XAI and the other big sort of algorithm companies that produce the content that so many of us rely on, good and bad.

00:29:47.000 And they're challenging the law because the law requires companies like XAI to factor discriminatory elements into their algorithms.

00:29:59.000 So they have to consider race and sex and ensure certain kinds of outputs.

00:30:04.000 Incredibly dangerous because AI models are trained on a number of different inputs. 0.98

00:30:10.000 And if you're forcing them to inject woke ideology into their inputs and train them on models that are discriminatory, it's garbage in, garbage out.

00:30:18.000 Anybody's learned computer programming, you know that.

00:30:20.000 And so we're going to have, as we're dismantling DEI in the real world, we're going to have a shadow world where DEI is actually infecting our AI agents and models.

00:30:32.000 And so that is really dangerous and bad.

00:30:34.000 Secondly, the law is really bad because it exempts Companies that are doing discrimination on race, sex, gender, these other factors, if it's to quote unquote redress prior discrimination. 0.58

00:30:46.000 So, in other words, if you're doing discrimination for a good reason and you're, you know, painting every one of our founding fathers as African American, for example, that's okay.

00:30:56.000 But if you're doing it in the opposite direction, that's suddenly illegal, $20,000 violations.

00:31:03.000 And the problem with this type of a law, you might say, well, that's only Colorado, who cares, right?

00:31:07.000 Well, the problem is, just like we have in California, when you have bad laws regarding Emissions and fuel standards, or what have you, suddenly companies have to race to the bottom and make their products compliant everywhere they want to do business. 0.91

00:31:21.000 So that means everyone has to have garbage AI.

00:31:24.000 That's not going to work. 0.85

00:31:25.000 The stakes are very high here.

00:31:27.000 Kudos to XAI for stepping up to challenge this law.

00:31:31.000 And the United States finds this case.

00:31:33.000 And my boss, Todd Blanch, certified this morning that this is a case of national importance.

00:31:40.000 And that allowed us in the Civil Rights and Civil Division to go into court.

00:31:45.000 And filed these two claims regarding equal protection under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

00:31:50.000 So, this is going to benefit all Americans, all people who use these algorithms, and it's going to benefit all of the companies in this incredibly important and innovative space that's important to the White House and it's important to all of us as we're learning to incorporate these tools into our daily lifestyles and our efficiency.

00:32:09.000 We ought to be able to rely on them without this filter of wokeness and nonsense that has impacted every other aspect of our society.

00:32:17.000 The earth is healing, we're getting rid of that in our universities, in our corporations, in our schools, and we cannot let it overcome the next generation of technology.

00:32:25.000 So, obviously, this Colorado law is terrible.

00:32:28.000 I wonder, are you guys also interested?

00:32:30.000 We're seeing these AI models are used all over the place.

00:32:33.000 People are using them to automatically sift through resumes, applications for things.

00:32:38.000 They're being given a lot of autonomy.

00:32:40.000 And even without Colorado's law, I think because of either the way they're designing these AIs or just because of what's being fed into them, There have been people who've done studies.

00:32:49.000 They found, for example, the AIs, without being told to, will automatically value, for example, black people more than white people, gay people more than straight people.

00:32:59.000 They'll value Palestinians more than Israelis.

00:33:02.000 You can find a lot of these patterns.

00:33:04.000 Is there interest at the DOJ in looking into this, in saying you're responsible if your AIs are engaging in discrimination of that sort, even if it's not to follow some Colorado law?

00:33:16.000 Well, you know, it's very interesting that you asked that because one of the things that I do that's completely separate from this here at DOJ is we enforce certain employment laws.

00:33:25.000 And for example, it's illegal for employers to discriminate against American citizens.

00:33:29.000 And so when you see a lot of this H 1B preference in companies, that's what they're doing.

00:33:35.000 They're discriminating against Americans on the basis of Americans' national origin.

00:33:38.000 So, I had a case recently where we took this on, and what we found was that the company's defense was well, we used artificial intelligence to draft this job posting, and that's why it turned out that way.

00:33:51.000 So, we humans at this company, this recruiting company, are not to blame.

00:33:55.000 Nuh uh, that's not the law.

00:33:57.000 The law is if you use discriminatory tools, you as the employer are liable for the discriminatory impacts of those tools, whatever that tool is.

00:34:05.000 And so, we actually have a great and robust civil rights edifice of laws.

00:34:10.000 That allows people to go in and sue over these issues.

00:34:12.000 So, I'm not sure extra law is needed on that, but certainly if we found or the EEOC found in terms of private employers in a different context that there was systematic discrimination happening by companies, usually large companies, because you try to make an example of larger employers, they would probably have to stop using those tools and the tools would then be reformed themselves by market forces.

00:34:34.000 So, this is going to be a, it's like Pandora's box.

00:34:38.000 There are a lot of great promises in AI, there's a lot of potential liability and it's, It's a little scary.

00:34:45.000 And so, everyone who, like XAI, these other companies, Anthropic, they're responsible for putting guardrails on their products so that they aren't having end users violate the law.

00:34:55.000 Well, you know, there's so much going on in the AI space that is going to create very interesting legal predicaments, both for the government and for these private employees.

00:35:05.000 I mean, we've got a story, I think it was out of Florida, where a guy, you know, used ChatGPT to figure out how to kill somebody.

00:35:11.000 And it told him, you know, to, I think it was the Florida, it was a Florida school shooting, right?

00:35:18.000 They use ChatGPT.

00:35:20.000 What time should I do it?

00:35:20.000 What weapon should I do it?

00:35:22.000 And the prosecutors are saying, hey, if this was a living, breathing person on the other end, they would be an accomplice to this murder, to the shooting.

00:35:30.000 You had another instance where somebody just committed suicide because I believe it was Claude basically encouraged the person to do it at the end.

00:35:38.000 He became enamored and obsessed with Claude, the chatbot, and called it his queen and all this stuff.

00:35:44.000 And then the chatbot encouraged him to kill himself.

00:35:46.000 I mean, this whole area is going to be so fraught with.

00:35:51.000 New legal challenges.

00:35:52.000 Anyways, I'm at least grateful, Harmeet, to you that you're in the position you are to go after the algorithms that are going to be basically pushing DEI on these answers.

00:36:03.000 It's almost confirmation, woke confirmation bias that AI is engaging in.

00:36:08.000 Harmeet Dillon, the Assistant Attorney General for the Department of Justice in the Civil Rights Division, and so much more.

00:36:16.000 Anyways, Harmeet, it's always good to see you.

00:36:17.000 Thank you.

00:36:18.000 Thanks for having me.

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00:38:02.000 All right, Danny.

00:38:03.000 What do we got? 0.92

00:38:04.000 First up, we got Gracie.

00:38:05.000 All right, Gracie, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. 0.98

00:38:08.000 Please unmute yourself. 0.75

00:38:10.000 Hello.

00:38:11.000 My question is what was Charlie's views on nuclear energy?

00:38:16.000 He was pro.

00:38:18.000 I think we have a tweet with that ready to go, actually.

00:38:21.000 Danny, yeah, okay.

00:38:21.000 We do.

00:38:22.000 Danny found this, but I'll read it here.

00:38:25.000 President Trump, this must have been at the start of the admin.

00:38:27.000 President Trump assigned a new executive order expanding uranium mining, allowing for nuclear power plants to be built on federal land and commanding the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to rule on applications for new reactors within 18 months.

00:38:40.000 Cheap energy is the lifeblood of a modern economy.

00:38:43.000 The most important innovation of our time, AI, requires colossal amounts of energy.

00:38:48.000 Nations that intentionally hobble themselves for the sake of green energy will be left behind.

00:38:54.000 President Trump's America will not be left behind.

00:38:57.000 I think.

00:38:58.000 That's a pretty clear cut answer.

00:38:59.000 Yeah.

00:38:59.000 Charlie was a builder.

00:39:01.000 I remember when Charlie met with Energy Secretary Wright and he came back.

00:39:07.000 He was raving.

00:39:08.000 He just really, really enjoyed his meeting with Chris Wright and just said, This guy's fantastic.

00:39:14.000 He's got the right views on energy, on utilities, and specifically about nuclear.

00:39:19.000 And there's a bunch of breakthroughs in nuclear as well.

00:39:20.000 I mean, the modern nuclear reactors that you, in theory, could build, I don't know that we built any.

00:39:25.000 I think there's maybe a few smaller ones.

00:39:28.000 There's some that are.

00:39:29.000 Even mobile, believe it or not.

00:39:32.000 One of the worries with a nuclear reactor or nuclear site is that it could be prone to attack.

00:39:36.000 It kind of puts a target on the map.

00:39:39.000 But these things are so small now, you could, in theory, put them on wheels, roll them out, and roll them to another spot.

00:39:45.000 I mean, that's the kind of technology we're talking about with modern nuclear energy.

00:39:49.000 So, Charlie was very, very in favor of it.

00:39:52.000 Secretary of Energy Chris Wright is very in favor of it.

00:39:54.000 And I think they're making some pretty dramatic strides in that field right now.

00:39:58.000 Yeah, and it fits into a bigger picture thing.

00:40:01.000 As I say, Charlie was pro building, he loved to talk about.

00:40:04.000 We need a moonshot on housing.

00:40:05.000 He loved the idea of bringing manufacturing back to America.

00:40:09.000 And you'll hear those things mentioned as buzzwords.

00:40:11.000 But when you really dig into it, a lot of that just comes down to how much does it cost to produce energy in your country?

00:40:18.000 And if you look at our biggest geopolitical rival, China, what do they do?

00:40:22.000 They endlessly are building power plants.

00:40:24.000 Go look at a chart, and it's just line is endlessly going up on the chart.

00:40:28.000 And they build everything they build coal plants, they build solar plants, they build nuke plants, they are building every single thing you can imagine because they know.

00:40:37.000 The more energy you have, the cheaper energy you have, that makes it way easier to set up a new factory that provides jobs and increases your national power.

00:40:46.000 And when you look at Europe, which is in decline, a big reason is they've made it so electricity is so expensive, you can't run factories there anymore.

00:40:54.000 So factories in Germany are shutting down because it costs a lot of electricity to build cars, it costs a lot of electricity to build anything, to manufacture ammonia, to make anything.

00:41:06.000 And when you don't have the energy to do it, you stop doing it.

00:41:09.000 And when you stop making things, you become a poorer.

00:41:11.000 And a more sclerotic country.

00:41:13.000 Well, and we see this in the UK as well, right?

00:41:16.000 The UK, that's why President Trump keeps asking them, like, open up your drilling in the North Sea, because right now they're importing a bunch from Norway, a bunch of, I think, LNG from Norway.

00:41:26.000 And, you know, if you, we talked about this actually on Thought Crime.

00:41:30.000 So I know a lot of you guys are Thought Crime fans.

00:41:33.000 So you can check it out there as well.

00:41:35.000 But in the UK, they basically, if we added them as the 51st state, if you took it by GDP, they would be the, Poorest American state.

00:41:43.000 They would be the 51st on the GDP, and apparently it's not even close.

00:41:47.000 So, you know, you look at utility rates in the UK, they've skyrocketed in recent years, all over Europe.

00:41:54.000 And it's just in the US, you look at how much electricity costs, and it's almost a perfect mirror for is this state doing well?

00:42:01.000 Is this state growing?

00:42:02.000 Or is this state falling behind and not able to generate new wealth, new ideas, new businesses?

00:42:11.000 New stuff.

00:42:12.000 You're either growing or you're dying.

00:42:13.000 And another good reason, a lot of us, if you drive, you think wind farms are kind of ugly.

00:42:18.000 I think they're pretty ugly.

00:42:19.000 Well, one nuclear plant can offset a whole bunch of wind farms.

00:42:23.000 And so if you're worried about the environment, you're going to do way less environmental damage with a nuclear plant than you will with basically all the alternatives.

00:42:31.000 Yeah.

00:42:31.000 And by the way, just to underscore the point, the modern technology is much, much improved over the old sort of like, you know, those big domes you'd see.

00:42:40.000 Yeah, we don't have to worry about like another Chernobyl or anything.

00:42:42.000 No, exactly.

00:42:43.000 All right.

00:42:44.000 Next question here today. 0.77

00:42:45.000 We have Elizabeth.

00:42:47.000 Elizabeth, welcome to the show. 0.95

00:42:50.000 Unmute yourself.

00:42:51.000 Yes.

00:42:51.000 Hi, Blake.

00:42:52.000 Hi, Danny.

00:42:53.000 Hi, Andrew.

00:42:54.000 How are you?

00:42:55.000 Hi.

00:42:55.000 Doing great.

00:42:57.000 So, my question was this My cousin is an attorney for a university, and I was wondering if you are an insurance company, you don't take liability risks.

00:43:07.000 And I was just wondering how all these colleges are getting insured when they have professors who are openly advocating for violence or Discrimination against conservative students.

00:43:18.000 Oh, I see the question.

00:43:21.000 I mean, Blake is not a lawyer, but he plays one on TV sometimes.

00:43:24.000 I would say my first answer is it's basically just tradition.

00:43:28.000 A lot of norms and traditions, we just follow.

00:43:31.000 I mean, you know, universities are not getting sued for that reason, right?

00:43:36.000 They're sort of protected under the tenure rule, the free speech rule.

00:43:41.000 But there are, I mean, listen, there's Dr. Antifa at Rutgers University who fled the United States for Spain.

00:43:47.000 Because he wrote a book called the Antifa Handbook, which is talking about preemptive violence to accomplish political aims.

00:43:55.000 So that would be a perfect example that he should be sued for incitement.

00:43:58.000 We just had Harmeet Dillon on, you know, and basically she outlined why it's so hard to sue or indict against incitement because it has to be an imminent threat.

00:44:11.000 Candidly, some of these laws, this jurisprudence is tricky when you're trying to sue somebody for this.

00:44:18.000 But, yeah, I mean, it's a fair question, Blake.

00:44:20.000 Would there be pressure on the insurance companies not to insure this because it's a liability risk?

00:44:25.000 I mean, you'd think, but I mean, frankly, there's a general problem where there's not as many.

00:44:32.000 First of all, I guess universities aren't always as vulnerable to lawsuits as you'd hope.

00:44:36.000 A lot of them are state institutions.

00:44:38.000 It's often very difficult to sue the state for the amount that you should be able to.

00:44:45.000 And then, of course, private institutions, they're often allowed to discriminate.

00:44:49.000 Or even if we have laws that say you're not allowed to discriminate for a long time, there's effectively been a carve out for universities.

00:44:57.000 You see this in a lot of things.

00:44:59.000 They've just been allowed to get away with a lot of practices.

00:45:01.000 That's, for example, Why was the Students for Fair Admissions Supreme Court case over affirmative action so important that Harvard, other Ivy League schools systematically discriminated against white applicants, against Asian applicants?

00:45:14.000 Everyone knew they were doing it.

00:45:15.000 The evidence was extremely flagrant that they were doing it.

00:45:18.000 It's obviously against our Constitution and against our laws, and they were just allowed to do it because Ivy League schools are popular, Ivy League schools are rich and influential.

00:45:28.000 They're kind of allowed to shape the way the law is enforced, regardless of what the law says.

00:45:33.000 And we need a long term effort to.

00:45:36.000 Change those norms and enforce those norms.

00:45:38.000 That's one reason I'm very glad the Trump administration has bullied these Ivy League schools a bit over this.

00:45:44.000 They've gone after Columbia and some other schools because we actually need to set the long term standard that, yeah, anti conservative discrimination won't be tolerated by our government, anti white, anti male, anti straight.

00:45:56.000 We need to basically say, yeah, when the law said that discrimination is not allowed, that's not some one way street.

00:46:03.000 It actually needs to apply to everyone.

00:46:05.000 And I'm very glad that the administration has made a priority of that.

00:46:08.000 I can't speak specifically to the insurance question.

00:46:10.000 Yeah, I mean, Listen, they wouldn't insure them if they felt like it was going to be a loser.

00:46:15.000 And I think universities have a lot of protections in place.

00:46:15.000 Let's just say that.

00:46:19.000 All right, who's next?

00:46:20.000 We got Tim.

00:46:21.000 Tim, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:46:23.000 Unmute yourself.

00:46:25.000 How are you guys doing?

00:46:25.000 Hey, good afternoon, everybody.

00:46:26.000 We're doing great.

00:46:27.000 Thank you.

00:46:28.000 How are you doing?

00:46:29.000 I'm doing well.

00:46:29.000 Thanks.

00:46:30.000 So, a couple of questions.

00:46:31.000 One, Andrew, you mentioned a week or two ago that I think you'd found the very first podcast you and Charlie did together.

00:46:40.000 And I was not listening at that time, but I would love to hear that show.

00:46:46.000 Could we get that dropped into the podcast mix like you guys do?

00:46:50.000 Oh, I love that.

00:46:51.000 Yeah, I think that's a great idea.

00:46:53.000 We'll do it.

00:46:54.000 Yes.

00:46:55.000 We'll do like a special Saturday or Sunday episode and it'll be like the very first CK.

00:47:00.000 Yeah, we were in a.

00:47:02.000 So when we first started the podcast, we were partnered with a group called Podcast One.

00:47:08.000 And the founder, Norm, had actually.

00:47:12.000 He was the founder of Westwood One.

00:47:14.000 And so we got connected with him and we didn't know what we were doing.

00:47:19.000 So they were like, okay, when's your first episode coming out?

00:47:22.000 We're like, well, aren't you going to give us some.

00:47:25.000 Like a microphone and some gear, like where's the studio?

00:47:27.000 And they're like, sure, come on over.

00:47:29.000 And so we just went over to their offices and they stuck us in like an office and gave us a microphone and a Zoom recorder.

00:47:35.000 And it was like, okay, I guess this is what we do.

00:47:40.000 And so, yeah, Charlie and I talked about what we want to talk about and kind of built a show just sitting, he and I, in a little office room in Los Angeles and made the first episode.

00:47:54.000 And then I think our next episode was an interview with Don Jr.

00:47:59.000 So that's how I remember it.

00:48:00.000 But, anyways.

00:48:01.000 We should re up those episodes.

00:48:03.000 It's great.

00:48:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:04.000 So they are all available now on the RSS feed.

00:48:07.000 So, you know, obviously there's a ton of episodes.

00:48:09.000 You've got to scroll all the way down, which is kind of a pain, but it is there.

00:48:13.000 And we made them available to everybody and been getting lots of great feedback about that.

00:48:17.000 So, just took some doing and a little bit of money.

00:48:20.000 We just had to throw some money at the problem here, but we got it up.

00:48:24.000 And so all of the original Charlie episodes are up on the podcast.

00:48:27.000 And we encourage you guys, please take advantage of that.

00:48:30.000 But, yeah, we will do that.

00:48:30.000 Great idea.

00:48:31.000 And you have another question, right?

00:48:33.000 I do.

00:48:34.000 I do.

00:48:35.000 I know you guys are supporting Chip Roy, and I love your recommendation.

00:48:39.000 So I'm in Texas, lifelong Texan.

00:48:43.000 And so I'm not planning to vote for Chip Roy.

00:48:46.000 A couple of things with Cornyn as my senator forever, I'm kind of very leery of Texas politicians.

00:48:52.000 I've been burned.

00:48:53.000 I mean, and so a couple of things that Chip did was he called for Ken Paxton to resign, which that troubles me.

00:49:02.000 He was one of the few House Republicans that opposed efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.

00:49:08.000 He supported Ron DeSantis, which I'm okay with that.

00:49:10.000 I don't have an issue with that, but he was pretty sharply critical of Trump during that time.

00:49:16.000 Another thing that he did that bothers me is he defended Liz Cheney and said she should be commended.

00:49:21.000 And then he criticized Trump for pressuring Pence.

00:49:24.000 And so those are things that kind of really rubbed me the wrong way.

00:49:28.000 And I know you guys know him well.

00:49:30.000 So I just kind of wanted to get your thoughts on that.

00:49:33.000 Maybe you can talk to me.

00:49:35.000 No, yeah.

00:49:36.000 No, I'm not planning to see right now.

00:49:38.000 Listen, what I will say is.

00:49:39.000 In the Texas AG race.

00:49:41.000 So, one thing you have to understand about there's some history there between Ken Paxton and Chip Roy, right?

00:49:48.000 Chip Roy worked in the Attorney General's office, and they've, I mean, suffice to say, they have history, right?

00:49:55.000 Yeah.

00:49:55.000 So, I try, and we are supporting Ken Paxton for Senate, and we love Ken Paxton.

00:49:59.000 He was just at our Baylor event with us.

00:50:02.000 His team's amazing, by the way.

00:50:03.000 I love those guys.

00:50:05.000 And, you know, sometimes in politics, people have beef, okay?

00:50:11.000 And that doesn't necessarily mean that, Chip is a bad guy because he has a history with Ken Paxton.

00:50:16.000 They don't like each other, candidly.

00:50:19.000 And that's because there's a lot of water under that bridge.

00:50:22.000 But that doesn't mean that Chip Roy is not a rock rib conservative.

00:50:25.000 Chip Roy is fighting on the issues of Islamification of Texas.

00:50:29.000 He's hardcore.

00:50:30.000 Here's the other thing and he's big on immigration.

00:50:33.000 So for those two things.

00:50:34.000 And furthermore, Charlie was close with Chip.

00:50:38.000 Charlie and Chip had a really close relationship that spans a number of years.

00:50:42.000 Chip, yeah, I think.

00:50:44.000 You know, there's a lot of people in the base that don't understand this dynamic, but Chip is a rock rib conservative that has come to some disagreements and friction points with the administration.

00:50:56.000 There's no doubt.

00:50:57.000 He's managed, though, to his credit, to kind of keep them simmering when they bubbled up and kind of put those to bed, put those to rest.

00:51:06.000 They do butt heads, but that's just what happens when you got alphas.

00:51:09.000 So you got Trump who's an alpha and you got Chip who's an alpha, and they butt heads sometimes.

00:51:14.000 I would say, Chip, I don't.

00:51:16.000 I agree with you on the Liz Cheney stuff, you know, for sure.

00:51:20.000 I would say that Chip would probably give you a different answer nowadays.

00:51:23.000 Secondly, I would say that, you know, he's a very principled guy.

00:51:27.000 One thing that Blake appreciates about him is that he's a principled guy.

00:51:30.000 So even if he's going to disagree with Trump, he's going to have a principle for that.

00:51:35.000 And I think you can depend on him.

00:51:36.000 That's my read on Chip Roy.

00:51:37.000 I think he's a good man.

00:51:38.000 I think he's a hard fighter.

00:51:40.000 He's certainly an alpha, though, and he'll, you know, he'll let you know if he disagrees with you.

00:51:45.000 I feel like if you have a lawmaker who has been, 100% on Trump's side in every single dispute, there's actually probably something a little off with him.

00:51:53.000 Because, you know, Trump is unpredictable and mercurial.

00:51:56.000 And at that point, you kind of have to suspect this person might just be out for themselves.

00:52:00.000 They might just be trying to enhance their own career.

00:52:04.000 Whereas with Chip, you can sense he is really in it for the principles and the values that we care about.

00:52:09.000 And that can go too far.

00:52:11.000 Sometimes they end up turning against the movement because they sour too much.

00:52:14.000 They fight with Trump or with the movement too much.

00:52:16.000 But I think there's a right balance.

00:52:18.000 Yeah, we saw a lot of people.

00:52:19.000 I wanted Thomas Massey.

00:52:21.000 Yeah, I mean, listen, we like Thomas.

00:52:23.000 We go back with Thomas.

00:52:25.000 You know, see, that's the thing.

00:52:27.000 Trump can sometimes happen and it's personal for him.

00:52:31.000 But listen, I mean, Chip Roy's got basically like 100% rating on conservative scorecards.

00:52:36.000 So he's got his head in all the right places and the priority in all the right places.

00:52:41.000 So we like Chip, but.

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00:53:58.000 We are halfway through our Ask Us Anything.

00:54:00.000 We see a lot of you in the chat that aren't asking questions.

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00:54:13.000 Yeah, we love it when we get completely new questions.

00:54:16.000 Absolutely.

00:54:17.000 All right, who's up next?

00:54:17.000 Okay.

00:54:19.000 We got Anthony.

00:54:20.000 He's back.

00:54:21.000 Anthony, welcome.

00:54:23.000 Hey, guys.

00:54:25.000 Before I get to my questions, I can actually give you a little information on your first caller about that nuclear energy.

00:54:30.000 Look up Eastman Park in Kodak here in Rochester, New York.

00:54:34.000 They're talking about putting a nuclear power plant in it, it's a new, updated one.

00:54:39.000 So it's kind of something different for the area because we need energy in New York State because they decided to go to solar and wind and it's not doing well.

00:54:46.000 So shifting to my questions, I heard Harmy.

00:54:50.000 At the end of the first segment, talk about AI and jobs and everything.

00:54:55.000 So, my question is with that.

00:54:58.000 Should companies be asking it when you go online and submit an application at the very end?

00:55:02.000 Please tell if you're male, female, or other, what your race is.

00:55:06.000 Should they be asking those questions?

00:55:08.000 Because you're not really finding the best qualified candidates when you ask those questions.

00:55:14.000 You're kind of like looking for a quota to fill.

00:55:16.000 And is AI now going to be used to start doing that to fill quotas with companies?

00:55:23.000 Well, I think what Harmid's lawsuit is regarding is the.

00:55:27.000 Bias in the answers and the data that's going in, garbage in, garbage out.

00:55:31.000 So they're basically trying to make sure that the answers that are provided by AI companies in the state of Colorado, at least, that they are sufficiently woke, sufficiently expressive of underrepresented minority groups, right?

00:55:46.000 So I think that's specifically what that particular lawsuit is about.

00:55:50.000 But a lot of the AI companies based in Silicon Valley, in California, I can tell you, they have requirements on your board. 0.72

00:55:57.000 You have to have a certain number of like, Minority folks on your board. 0.81

00:56:00.000 You can't have just straight white male Christians.

00:56:03.000 That doesn't fly in California.

00:56:04.000 So there already are DEI requirements in certain states where these AI companies are operating, but the Colorado lawsuit seems to be specifically about the algorithm itself, the DEI algorithm.

00:56:17.000 Okay.

00:56:18.000 Blake, gotcha.

00:56:19.000 Well, what I would note is I feel with modern AI, there's almost new, it's not even just the specific stuff they ask.

00:56:27.000 So you mentioned, yeah, on a job application, if they're asking if you're male or female or what your race is.

00:56:33.000 But with AI, there's so much potential that we might not even be able to gauge.

00:56:37.000 Like the AI, when they're advanced enough, they might, you know, you put in your address and to any one of us an address is a random thing. 0.91

00:56:45.000 But the AI has the capacity to go, oh, yeah, well, that address is in a 100% black neighborhood. 0.58

00:56:50.000 So we already know this person's race just based on that.

00:56:52.000 Or it can know, oh, that name, that name is very likely to be from this person.

00:56:57.000 Look, it cross-reference other online.

00:56:59.000 And it can do this endlessly.

00:57:00.000 Yeah.

00:57:00.000 And it can check on all these things that a normal person would not have the time or energy to do.

00:57:05.000 To run down.

00:57:06.000 And then on top of that, they can have biases that aren't even necessarily intentional.

00:57:10.000 That's why I asked Harmid about that.

00:57:12.000 There's a guy, a blogger, Arctotherium, who he has a Substack post where he just takes all the different AI models and he's asking them to rank resumes or he'll just straight up ask them, weight the value of these different lives based on these different traits.

00:57:29.000 Like, are they gay?

00:57:30.000 Are they straight? 0.79

00:57:31.000 Are they black? 0.90

00:57:31.000 Are they white? 0.90

00:57:32.000 Nationalities?

00:57:33.000 Are they Palestinian, Israeli, Chinese, and so on?

00:57:35.000 He'll even ask them to do it in different languages.

00:57:38.000 And when you do different languages, you'll get different weights.

00:57:41.000 So, some languages it'll come out more egalitarian, but then in English, it's coming out more biased.

00:57:46.000 And this is all without being told to do it.

00:57:48.000 It's that they've been fed in all this information, all this data.

00:57:53.000 And in Western culture for the past half century, we've had a lot of propaganda, you know, white people bad, Israel bad, different groups bad, other groups good.

00:58:05.000 And they've gotten the message oh, well, some lives actually matter more than others.

00:58:09.000 Yeah, you could.

00:58:10.000 We're going to get that discrimination from these bots if we're not actively trying to root it out.

00:58:15.000 Yeah, you see it in their code.

00:58:16.000 Like on ChatGPT, you could go and be like, criticize.

00:58:19.000 XYZ, and it'll say, No, I can't do that. 0.99

00:58:21.000 But then if you say criticize white people, it'll give you like this long list of stuff of why white people are the worst. 0.99

00:58:26.000 Try adding chat GPT to criticize Muhammad. 0.99

00:58:30.000 You'll have a tough time.

00:58:30.000 That's even just, I think that's hard coded stuff, at least.

00:58:33.000 I think they have clear crime stop that's put in.

00:58:36.000 You know, don't bash religious leaders of religions that are known to get a little mostly peaceful.

00:58:42.000 Well, it goes even worse than that.

00:58:43.000 But I'm much more worried, frankly.

00:58:45.000 Not so much, okay, if Dario Amadei wants to go and add.

00:58:50.000 Crime stop to his AI, at least it's blatant and obvious he's doing it.

00:58:54.000 I'm much more worried about AI machines that just have bias in them because we fed them every single piece of text we've ever produced and we just let the dice fall as they may and they end up with wildly biased outcomes.

00:59:07.000 Yeah, and there'll be like crime stats where you like find black crime statistics and it won't give you the answer and you have to continually be like, no, it's there, find it.

00:59:14.000 And then it eventually finds it, but it like codes itself so that it doesn't want to give you the stats until you really push it. 0.71

00:59:22.000 Yeah.

00:59:24.000 Gotcha.

00:59:25.000 My other quick question is this.

00:59:26.000 With the SPLC issue that has come out this week, are we actually going to see anyone that has donated money that knew what they were doing possibly arrested, or any politician that's gotten money from it?

00:59:40.000 Because it seems like we know all these things are happening, but they kind of get stalled or they take too long.

00:59:46.000 Well, again, you don't want to get too frustrated because I think the desire for immediate results often leads to half baked cases, it leads to screwing things up.

00:59:56.000 The left is very good at.

00:59:57.000 The long con.

00:59:58.000 If you want an example, this didn't even succeed, but it caused a lot of damage.

01:00:02.000 The left wanted to take out the NRA because they were an effective gun rights lobby.

01:00:06.000 And so the New York AG's office, they did this at the state level because they knew federally we can lose the White House, but we'll never lose New York state government.

01:00:14.000 So they made a left wing get the NRA office at the New York AG's office and they just built the case over years.

01:00:21.000 It was basically a decade long process to try to bring it down.

01:00:25.000 And I think it would behoove us to try to create. 0.88

01:00:28.000 We have a bit of that going in Texas, but we know Texas is a somewhat purplish state.

01:00:33.000 I'd love it if in a state like Tennessee or Missouri as well, we should expand our state AG offices so they're capable of more long range work.

01:00:42.000 But back to your original question first, we should be happy they are going against the SPLC.

01:00:46.000 This will cause a lot of damage to the organization, even if they don't fully dissolve it.

01:00:51.000 You can do a lot with a good sustained investigation.

01:00:54.000 Technically, the claim right now is that they were defrauding their donors.

01:00:57.000 That's what the wire fraud claim is.

01:00:59.000 They were messaging them and saying, give us money to go after right wing groups.

01:01:02.000 We're actually funding the right wing extremists.

01:01:04.000 Meaning that a Clooney or a JP Morgan or Tim Cook would be victims.

01:01:10.000 Yeah, they're victims right now.

01:01:11.000 Now, it is possible some people were aware of this.

01:01:14.000 If they can find communications within the organization, for example, they were setting up these shell groups to disguise that these donations were happening.

01:01:23.000 If they find specific people were ordering this and explaining why they were doing it, they might get hit.

01:01:28.000 They might not be the big names.

01:01:30.000 It's going to, you know, the people who run the SPLC are not that famous themselves, but it would be nice.

01:01:36.000 And hopefully we can bring similar operations against similar groups.

01:01:39.000 But I think we should be happy that we have what we have already brought and we should trust the process.

01:01:46.000 Yeah, I mean, and like just to underscore it, this guy, you know, his name was, was it?

01:01:53.000 I forget his name.

01:01:55.000 Proter?

01:01:57.000 I just keep coming back to this, but this guy in a video, the SBLC, Mark Potock, that's what his name was, had a graphic on the back of his wall during an interview he did tracking the decline of the white population in the United States as well as.

01:02:13.000 Is how many foreigners were moving into Europe?

01:02:16.000 I mean, this is a really bad group that needs to be held accountable.

01:02:20.000 So, whether the donors get it exactly is less interesting to me.

01:02:25.000 Of course, I'm open to it, would love that, but I just want to see them completely defanged.

01:02:30.000 Their influence must be tarnished completely forever, permanently.

01:02:35.000 And they have almost an $800 million endowment that also needs to be taken a look at, I will tell you.

01:02:42.000 So, the SBLC said the Great Replacement was a conspiracy theory.

01:02:45.000 While they were tracking the metrics of the great replacement, I want everybody to kind of internalize that.

01:02:52.000 All right, next question.

01:02:53.000 What do we got here?

01:02:54.000 Kyrie, I think.

01:02:55.000 Yep.

01:02:55.000 Kyrie.

01:02:56.000 Okay.

01:02:56.000 Hello, gentlemen.

01:02:57.000 Happy Friday.

01:02:58.000 I have a quick question.

01:02:59.000 Thank you.

01:03:01.000 I have a quick question before my main one, and that is my work schedule very, very rarely permits me to join these Zoom calls.

01:03:08.000 So, how do I submit a question even if I'm not able to join the live call?

01:03:13.000 You could email us into the show.

01:03:16.000 Can't they get on the message board here and just.

01:03:19.000 They could do that as well, but usually if you can't access the Zoom in the timeframe that we're on it, you can also email us.

01:03:25.000 You can email us.

01:03:26.000 We're always checking it now.

01:03:27.000 We don't always see every single email live, so that's one way.

01:03:30.000 But yeah, also if you can't join by voice, join the call and you can submit a text question.

01:03:35.000 We've had a few where they say, I can't speak right now, but here's my text question.

01:03:38.000 That's the most consistent way to make sure we see it because we have Danny always monitoring the Zoom call and he sees everything that's in it.

01:03:45.000 Mm hmm.

01:03:46.000 Okay, all right.

01:03:47.000 Well, thank you.

01:03:47.000 I'll keep that in mind.

01:03:48.000 Okay, my main question for the day was I would really love to try to go out to Arizona and help with ballot chasing.

01:03:57.000 I've never done anything like that, but listening to Charlie and then y'all talk all the time, I really would like to get involved, and there's nothing like that in my area.

01:04:07.000 I live in a pretty red state, and that's great, but I really want to go out and help if I can.

01:04:11.000 I love it.

01:04:12.000 That having been said, I need to know kind of when is the best time.

01:04:17.000 I know y'all probably have trainings that you have to do.

01:04:21.000 I just, I guess I need to know any kind of details so that I can make plans, ask off from work, all that kind of stuff.

01:04:28.000 We do trainings all the time, so there's that.

01:04:31.000 So, you rest assured, we have literally right now there's trainings running all week, every week.

01:04:37.000 A lot of that is for staff, so for volunteers, we will be ramping up.

01:04:41.000 So, we've inquired of Tyler Boyer.

01:04:43.000 I sent, since you had your text question in advance, I sent that over to Tyler.

01:04:47.000 He did say, as far as the best time to come out, second half of October.

01:04:51.000 A lot of stuff.

01:04:53.000 Of course, we do ramp up early, but that's the peak time.

01:04:56.000 By the way, the weather is going to be awesome in October.

01:04:59.000 Yeah, it's only going to be like 98 degrees.

01:05:01.000 Yeah, it's going to be great.

01:05:01.000 That's pretty good.

01:05:02.000 That's great.

01:05:03.000 By the way, Blake's whole thing, I don't know if you know this, Kyrie.

01:05:05.000 I don't know.

01:05:06.000 You live in a warm state, judging by your actions?

01:05:10.000 Yes.

01:05:11.000 I live in the deep south, and we have high humidity and a lot of heat.

01:05:14.000 And actually, I prefer the heat over the cold.

01:05:17.000 And I also love rain.

01:05:18.000 So, Blake talking about the Arizona desert is great.

01:05:20.000 Oh, you know, yeah.

01:05:21.000 So, Blake rains all the time.

01:05:24.000 Blake's big complaint.

01:05:25.000 Is that Arizona is too rainy and too cold.

01:05:29.000 It hasn't rained though in like a month.

01:05:30.000 Yeah, but it'll rain.

01:05:32.000 We'll get a typhoon eventually.

01:05:33.000 Yeah, we get the, what do we call it?

01:05:35.000 The, I'm new here too.

01:05:38.000 I don't know.

01:05:39.000 You know, the rain, it's not the typhoon. 0.97

01:05:41.000 The habubs? 0.95

01:05:42.000 It's not the habubs.

01:05:43.000 The habubs are the dirt, the sandstorms.

01:05:46.000 Monsoons.

01:05:47.000 Thank you.

01:05:47.000 We get the monsoon rain here.

01:05:49.000 Which is just rain.

01:05:50.000 I don't know why they're all fancy.

01:05:53.000 Yeah, second half of October.

01:05:54.000 Also, I will note the turning point, we have the app, of course, and you can use that to.

01:05:59.000 Text people, call people, send postcards without traveling.

01:06:03.000 And so that's a way to get engaged at a distance.

01:06:05.000 Obviously, the in person stuff is the highest value, but that is a way you can get involved even if you're in a deep red state that's not being contested. 0.53

01:06:12.000 Well, and what's cool about when you volunteer, actually, we book out these hotels so you take advantage of the hotel blocks.

01:06:21.000 So we bring you here and then we train you and then we send you out and then you have actual access to staff to help you if you have questions or, you know, Confusion as things come up, talking points.

01:06:31.000 So it's a great resource that we're able to provide for you when you do come out and volunteer.

01:06:35.000 So I totally recommend you take that up.

01:06:37.000 Take us up on that, Kyrie.

01:06:39.000 Next question.

01:06:40.000 It's from Mick.

01:06:42.000 What's going on, Mick?

01:06:43.000 Unmute yourself.

01:06:43.000 Welcome to the show.

01:06:45.000 Hey, what a surprise.

01:06:48.000 I moan and complain about them not going after groups, and we got the SPLC within a week.

01:06:53.000 So that was all you, Mick.

01:06:55.000 That was all you, Mick.

01:06:56.000 100%.

01:06:56.000 Yeah, we took your request.

01:06:59.000 We sent it to the DOJ, and they said, ah, Oh, why didn't we think of it?

01:07:03.000 No, we're very glad that you were able to have that.

01:07:05.000 I mean, we all want accountability.

01:07:09.000 Amen.

01:07:10.000 So, with that, the SPLC was one of the biggest players.

01:07:13.000 You know, we had them involved with censoring conservatives, you know, on the tech platforms for about a decade before Elon finally bought Twitter.

01:07:23.000 What are some of the other groups that were involved in that?

01:07:25.000 Maybe potentially involved in stoking, you know, violence like the SPLC was that the DOJ can get their sites on?

01:07:32.000 Well, the ADL comes to mind.

01:07:34.000 ADL, right?

01:07:35.000 ADL matters.

01:07:36.000 CCDA.

01:07:37.000 The groups that do.

01:07:37.000 ACLU.

01:07:38.000 The ADL is definitely a big one because the ADL has.

01:07:42.000 Basically, done they've been involved in essentially shakedowns where they've encouraged ad boycotts and then reached out to organizations with basically like, you know, we could overcome this arrangement, you know, we could maybe come to some sort of new relationship that's basically support our cause, give us money, that sort of thing.

01:07:59.000 I'd love them.

01:08:00.000 Anyone involved in those tech boycotts that they really ramped up, that would be like Color of Change, which is the ad boycotts for conservative groups, CARE, the pro-Islamo group. 0.68

01:08:11.000 Yeah, so.

01:08:12.000 Groups that organize boycotts.

01:08:13.000 2020, they went after Facebook.

01:08:15.000 2022, they started going after X or Twitter at the time.

01:08:18.000 I mean, Antifa's a clear one.

01:08:20.000 All those groups. 0.98

01:08:20.000 Sleeping Giants. 0.98

01:08:21.000 Antifa's a little tougher because it's decentralized, which has been the trick with Antifa.

01:08:28.000 Human Rights Campaign, HRC, would be another one, which tracks corporate equality scores.

01:08:33.000 So you can imagine they've been coercing people.

01:08:37.000 Just trying to think.

01:08:38.000 Sleeping Giants is another one that does those ad campaigns.

01:08:40.000 I mean, all these.

01:08:41.000 So basically, what we have is we, you know, and you hear about this, like, You know, our democracy, our democracy.

01:08:48.000 Charlie used to say this all the time.

01:08:50.000 It means our oligarchy, okay?

01:08:52.000 It's their power structure.

01:08:53.000 So you have to, any group that doesn't align perfectly with their value set is precluded from our democracy, right?

01:09:01.000 When Democrats use that expression.

01:09:02.000 So they have this whole network of nonprofits that essentially establish a permission structure on the left.

01:09:09.000 And those groups, I guarantee you, will be up to no good.

01:09:14.000 And there's actually a new, what was it, IRS ruling.

01:09:18.000 That basically is forcing 990 disclosures from like the Tides Foundation or Arabella, which is pushing these dollars out, right?

01:09:28.000 Because a lot of times what will happen on the left is big, high net worth donors will invest in one of these large groups.

01:09:35.000 Then those large groups kind of funnel the money to the smaller groups, and you lose track of where that money came from, right?

01:09:41.000 Because money's fungible.

01:09:43.000 And so now they're going to have to disclose where that money is going once it hits like an Arabella or Tides.

01:09:48.000 And these groups are insidious, they are destroying.

01:09:50.000 The Constitutional Republic that our founders set up, and they're doing it under the guise of civil rights.

01:09:56.000 Yeah.

01:09:57.000 We have one more question.

01:09:58.000 I want us to hit it real quick.

01:09:59.000 We have two minutes. 0.68

01:09:59.000 Mary, give us your question really quick, and we'll try to answer it. 0.68

01:10:03.000 Are you going to help yourself?

01:10:05.000 Yes, we can.

01:10:06.000 We can.

01:10:06.000 My question is How would you gracefully approach a family member who takes every opportunity to criticize your Christian and conservative values and political beliefs?

01:10:19.000 All right.

01:10:20.000 That's a pretty good picture of grace.

01:10:22.000 Well, gracefully approach.

01:10:24.000 Well, I guess it would depend on context because I get the sense if they're going out of their way to bully you or bash you.

01:10:33.000 The first thing is you just.

01:10:34.000 Can't concede any frame.

01:10:35.000 Like, you have to just say, okay, what of it?

01:10:39.000 What's the deal?

01:10:41.000 I guess if they're going after religious beliefs, it's a little different.

01:10:44.000 You have to set a hard line boundary inside.

01:10:47.000 Here's what I would do.

01:10:49.000 And I take this directly from Charlie.

01:10:51.000 So, Charlie would get badgered about his Christian conservative beliefs on campus.

01:10:54.000 And what would he do?

01:10:55.000 He would ask questions.

01:10:56.000 He would instantly ask questions.

01:10:58.000 So, okay, why do you believe that?

01:11:00.000 Okay, so you believe this because of X, Y, and Z. Do you also believe X, Y, and Z or A, B, D?

01:11:06.000 See, so he would start drilling down to get to core assumptions that that person is making.

01:11:11.000 And then when you see something that they say that's completely untrue, then you could be like, Well, but that's not true.

01:11:16.000 So, do you still have this gripe?

01:11:19.000 I mean, here's the thing with family, it's tough.

01:11:23.000 You got to love your family, but sometimes you got to have boundaries with your family too.

01:11:26.000 And it's okay to put those up in a loving way to protect yourself, protect your family, protect your kids, and maybe just set some ground rules for engagement in the future.

01:11:35.000 Questions are good, they don't often don't expect to be put on defense.

01:11:38.000 True.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 24, 2026

Dismantling the Antifa-NGO Alliance + AMA 263

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