The Charlie Kirk Show - Disney's War Against White Men ft. James O'Keefe

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00:01:38.000 Big story out of James O'Keefe.

00:01:40.000 He joins us now.

00:01:41.000 He gave a great speech at the People's Convention.

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00:01:45.000 James, welcome back to the program.

00:01:46.000 Tell us about this breaking story.

00:01:49.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:01:50.000 Thanks for having me on, and thanks for your post yesterday on X. This is a big one.

00:01:55.000 This is the vice president of Disney on tape saying that they do not hire white people, and he makes it very explicit.

00:02:05.000 He's not a low-level person.

00:02:06.000 This is Disney.

00:02:07.000 This is the Walt Disney Company.

00:02:10.000 We've seen a lot of reports about DEI and discrimination in the hiring process before.

00:02:15.000 We did a story on IBM that launched lawsuits from America First Legal.

00:02:19.000 But this is about Disney and some of the woke policies run amok.

00:02:25.000 And it's very rare that you get such an insight and you get them to say it so explicitly.

00:02:31.000 But in this case, Michael Giordano, the vice president of business affairs for the Walt Disney Company in Burbank, California, he says that we do not hire.

00:02:42.000 White people. 0.69

00:02:43.000 And in the HR department, we use certain buzzwords and code words to circumvent the law.

00:02:50.000 Pretty shocking stuff there, Charlie.

00:02:53.000 And I mean, it sort of speaks for itself.

00:02:56.000 Let's play Cut 173 to hear this for ourselves.

00:02:59.000 Certainly, there have been times where, you know, there's no way we're 100 away now.

00:03:05.000 It's kind of unspoken.

00:03:07.000 There are times when it's spoken.

00:03:08.000 How would they say it?

00:03:11.000 There's no way we're hiring a white male in this world.

00:03:16.000 They'd be very careful how they message that to agents.

00:03:19.000 I mean, James, this is in direct violation of federal law.

00:03:23.000 This is a major multibillion-dollar company.

00:03:26.000 Is this paved the way for major lawsuits for blatant and deliberate anti-white discrimination?

00:03:32.000 Absolutely.

00:03:33.000 This is a violation of Title VII.

00:03:35.000 You cannot discriminate on the basis of race.

00:03:38.000 There's affirmative action, but you can't discriminate against people through the race.

00:03:44.000 Vice President Disney Charlie even goes on to say that there was someone who is half black that they looked at for hiring and they said that they were not black enough like their skin color wasn't black enough.

00:03:58.000 It's really shocking things and I think that what's going to happen here.

00:04:02.000 My prediction is Disney is going to be sued and we're going to have a lot of people come out of the woodwork saying they were passed up.

00:04:08.000 Now, one of the things I'm learning, I'm actually in Los Angeles working on a project right now in Hollywood.

00:04:13.000 People are very afraid of Disney.

00:04:15.000 I've heard from a lot of people that they worked there at one point or another.

00:04:19.000 A lot of people too afraid to say publicly what they've told me that they were passed over for jobs.

00:04:25.000 They're afraid their movie's not going to be distributed if they criticize Disney.

00:04:29.000 This is an incredibly powerful company.

00:04:31.000 I don't think people realize how powerful they are in California.

00:04:35.000 So I think there's going to be a watershed moment here.

00:04:37.000 They're going to get sued.

00:04:39.000 Groups like America First Legal are representing plaintiffs against IBM, and we're looking for people to come forward to us.

00:04:45.000 To OMG, if you've been passed up for a hiring opportunity, this could be a watershed moment.

00:04:51.000 And I think we will be getting a comment here from Disney today.

00:04:54.000 We have another tape forthcoming.

00:04:56.000 We always have more tapes inside the company.

00:04:58.000 But this is what happens when you're not held accountable, when everyone's afraid of you.

00:05:03.000 You have these moments in restaurants where people are just gloating, they're bragging, they're filled with pride and avarice.

00:05:10.000 They're saying the things that no one's willing to report, Charlie. 0.96

00:05:13.000 I mean, it's so obvious, but just imagine on hidden tape if somebody at any company said, yeah, we don't hire black people here.

00:05:20.000 It would be the number one news story in the country. 0.99

00:05:23.000 But it is acceptable and fashionable to hate white people. 0.97

00:05:27.000 There is a deliberate war on white people in this country. 0.97

00:05:30.000 Let's play Cut 174. 0.88

00:05:32.000 According to these videotapes, Disney blatantly discriminates against whites, white men in particular.

00:05:40.000 I think I'm sort of, like, well-prepared for it.

00:05:45.000 I'm well-positioned for it.

00:05:47.000 But as far as Disney's concerned, I'm a white male.

00:05:50.000 That's not who they're looking to promote.

00:05:53.000 And we continue to the clip you mentioned here, 176, about not being black enough, PlayCut 176.

00:06:01.000 They even passed over a qualified half-black person for a promotion because they didn't look black enough.

00:06:09.000 We wanted to hire somebody in our department a few years ago now who was half-black but didn't appear half-black.

00:06:18.000 And there was a creative executive who was like, that's not what's going on.

00:06:25.000 Like, they wanted somebody in meetings who were here a certain way, and he wasn't gonna bring that to the meeting.

00:06:31.000 I mean, it kind of feels like we're, you know, at some point there's going to be a lawsuit.

00:06:37.000 That's kind of how it feels, just because of, you know.

00:06:40.000 James, can this now private video be used in a lawsuit?

00:06:46.000 Because now that is an executive who is confiding about hiring practices.

00:06:50.000 We definitely have people that have been passed over because of the war on white people at Disney.

00:06:56.000 He's now admitting that this can be used in a lawsuit, James O'Keefe.

00:07:00.000 Yes, and that is a lawyer talking.

00:07:03.000 He's barred in California.

00:07:05.000 I'll actually post his bar license and everything today.

00:07:09.000 I mean, of course.

00:07:10.000 I mean, it all depends upon the people within Disney having the courage to come forward.

00:07:14.000 This is a very difficult thing.

00:07:15.000 Like I said, people are terrified of this company.

00:07:19.000 And I've even had people tell me I shouldn't be going after this company.

00:07:22.000 I mean, we go after, Charlie, you know, BlackRock, Pfizer, the FBI, the IRS.

00:07:27.000 I've had people warn me, oh, Disney's a different animal.

00:07:30.000 Even Andrew Breitbart, before he passed away, this is in 2010.

00:07:34.000 I went on Good Morning America with George Stephanopoulos, and Andrew said, you're messing with Disney now.

00:07:38.000 So this company has some type of effect on people that is of a different nature.

00:07:46.000 And I've heard that from so many people.

00:07:48.000 So the answer to your question is, I think people will come forward.

00:07:51.000 Absolutely.

00:07:52.000 There will be lawsuits.

00:07:53.000 There will 100% be lawsuits.

00:07:54.000 There's more videotapes.

00:07:55.000 And the people that have been, he doesn't name them by name, but they didn't hire someone because their skin pigment, they were black, but they weren't black enough. 0.92

00:08:05.000 That is effectively him saying that they discriminated against black people right there.

00:08:09.000 So we need to know the names of these people.

00:08:11.000 And I'm sure, I'm certain they're going to come forward in the coming days here.

00:08:14.000 You're going to see that happen.

00:08:17.000 Yeah, I mean, for those people that have been Angelenos and lived there in the kind of corporate space in Hollywood, Disney has so much money and so much power.

00:08:26.000 It's so funny, you're more afraid of going after Disney than the CIA.

00:08:30.000 Is that because maybe it's an attaché of the intelligence agencies and the government that Disney actually paves the way for some of the social and cultural transformation that the bad guys want?

00:08:40.000 Why do you think it is that people are so afraid of Disney?

00:08:43.000 Uh, well, I mean, two things.

00:08:45.000 I think, you know, I've always said politics is downstream from culture.

00:08:48.000 So those who control the culture really have all the power and that's a debate we could have, but I think it's true.

00:08:54.000 I think these institutions are more powerful than political institutions and our political institutions are downstream from our cultural monoliths.

00:09:04.000 And I think the second thing that I've seen and heard.

00:09:07.000 Is everybody's trying to get their film made or their music distributed or their songs used or they're trying to get in a role.

00:09:14.000 These are very powerful human incentives for people in places like Hollywood and Los Angeles.

00:09:19.000 So when you go out for these people, you get blacklisted.

00:09:22.000 I've been told personally that I'm risking my, you know, creative future.

00:09:28.000 And so even me and I'm an, I'm an outsider.

00:09:30.000 I don't really care what these organizations think of me, but whether it's the New York times or Disney, You know, to be attacked, to be defamed, to be given the scarlet letter, if you will, to borrow a metaphor.

00:09:45.000 People are afraid of it and they're not going to get their thing distributed on Amazon or they're going to get targeted or retaliated against.

00:09:52.000 But perhaps we're reaching a tipping point or we need to reach a tipping point where that no longer matters to people.

00:09:57.000 But a lot of people work in the industry here.

00:10:00.000 Whether you're an editor or a designer and you are simply afraid of not getting employment.

00:10:06.000 But perhaps this is what we need.

00:10:08.000 We need a few undisclosed tapes to give people that courage.

00:10:13.000 Courage is contagious.

00:10:14.000 That's my hope.

00:10:15.000 That's my belief and my prediction.

00:10:17.000 And I know that in the coming days... I've already had a few people reach out to me on Signal that work for Disney.

00:10:23.000 Just in the last 24 hours.

00:10:25.000 And I simply know, Charlie, that they're going to come forward.

00:10:28.000 And by the way, you mentioned the CIA.

00:10:30.000 When I was standing outside Langley headquarters in Virginia, that's CIA headquarters, I had people roll up to me that were coming out of Langley, roll down the window and say, hey man, I'm a huge fan of yours.

00:10:43.000 And I don't think they were spooks trying to intimidate me.

00:10:48.000 I actually think that the vast majority, let's call it 80%, of the people that work there actually are decent people.

00:10:56.000 They're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place.

00:10:58.000 I actually would say the same thing about Disney.

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00:11:59.000 Address this idea of citizen agency and action.

00:12:07.000 We get asked all the time and we get emails, but Charlie, it's just too much work.

00:12:11.000 I don't want to extend myself.

00:12:13.000 Can somebody save the country for me?

00:12:15.000 What is your opinion on that attitude?

00:12:17.000 Well, that's a subject for an hour-long conversation, but in a New York Minute, I think people are really afraid, and courage is contagious.

00:12:30.000 You need someone to take an action to give other people the permission to take action.

00:12:36.000 So I've told this before, but in the beginning of a fight, The courage is a scarce man, but when his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for at that point it costs less to be a patriot.

00:12:46.000 So with Disney, which to my shock, people are more afraid of than the CIA or the FBI apparently, particularly in Southern California, you just need someone to be the catalyst.

00:12:56.000 That's the first thing.

00:12:57.000 The second thing, Charlie, we're up against the people saying, well, we already know this.

00:13:00.000 So this is what the other criticism I get.

00:13:02.000 James O'Keefe, We all know that these companies are biased.

00:13:06.000 There's no point in exposing any of this because we already know.

00:13:08.000 First of all, who's we?

00:13:10.000 When we say we already know it, maybe like 2-3% of the population, most people are asleep.

00:13:15.000 Most people can't name a Supreme Court justice.

00:13:17.000 Most people don't even agree with us on the facts.

00:13:20.000 So people need to see in a visual way.

00:13:23.000 The confirmation.

00:13:25.000 People need to see the truth, and when they see it, the truth is like a lion, as St.

00:13:30.000 Augustine has said, and the truth shall set you free.

00:13:33.000 And that's why this visual confirmation is so important, and it can be a catalyst for people.

00:13:39.000 But we do need people to be brave, like the individual, the young woman.

00:13:43.000 So James, talk about O'Keefe Media Group, the work that you are doing, and how you have been able to build this amazing thing despite a lot of opposition.

00:13:49.000 We incentivize them and pay them for bringing us the scoops, and we decentralize journalism.

00:13:53.000 That's the future.

00:13:54.000 So, so James, talk about Al-Keef Media Group, the work that you are doing, and how you have

00:14:01.000 been able to build this amazing thing, despite a lot of opposition.

00:14:06.000 Tell us about it, James.

00:14:07.000 Well, I think my enemies have run out of arrows, Charlie.

00:14:11.000 I mean, they've really thrown everything at me.

00:14:13.000 I mean, Rolling Stone tried to do an 8,000-word hit piece yesterday to coincide with this.

00:14:19.000 OMG is different than Veritas was in this way.

00:14:24.000 All of these people that are swiping and going on these meetings, they don't actually work for me.

00:14:30.000 They are actually a grassroots uprising of independent, courageous people, and we're incentivizing them.

00:14:36.000 So it's remarkable in that, you know, what I used to do is I used to hire people and then train them.

00:14:41.000 And what I now do is I say, hey, we're we'll give you the cameras, but you go out and do it and people just come to me.

00:14:48.000 So it's like kind of like the cream rising to the top.

00:14:51.000 Whereas before I would train them from the beginning, but now people have to prove themselves.

00:14:55.000 So, and I also would say this, we, we, it's very difficult to do this and that you become a target.

00:15:01.000 So the, a lot of the organizations will not publish these videos or they're afraid.

00:15:06.000 And I, and I go, and I, the CIA video, people warn me not to do it.

00:15:10.000 And I published it.

00:15:11.000 The Disney video.

00:15:12.000 People warned me not to publish it.

00:15:13.000 And I published it.

00:15:14.000 So it's like the poem about the Statue of Liberty.

00:15:17.000 Give me your teeming huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

00:15:20.000 That's what OMG is.

00:15:22.000 We're a place to publish information that nobody else is willing to publish.

00:15:26.000 As well as find the talent.

00:15:27.000 The talented citizen journalists.

00:15:29.000 And we currently have a great roster of people right now.

00:15:32.000 And we will pay you quite a bit of money to come to us and record these things.

00:15:39.000 And so far, I have been sued many times in the past, but I have not yet been sued at OMG publishing any of these reports.

00:15:47.000 And that's how you know that the information is real and damaging.

00:15:52.000 So just really quick, you said you have more Disney tapes coming, is that right?

00:15:56.000 That's right.

00:15:56.000 This is a multiple part series.

00:15:58.000 I know there's a presidential debate on Thursday of next week.

00:16:01.000 Yeah, let that happen and just let it rest and then come back.

00:16:06.000 Exactly, that's right.

00:16:08.000 So tell us, what other projects can you expect and is it true that any citizen is able to do this work?

00:16:14.000 I do.

00:16:15.000 I think what I was wrong about before and what I've learned is that you have to have a certain You have to.

00:16:22.000 It's very difficult to do this.

00:16:24.000 And it's maybe one out of 10,000 people.

00:16:26.000 But you have to bring certain skill sets to the table.

00:16:29.000 And the most important is integrity and character.

00:16:32.000 And I cannot teach that.

00:16:33.000 I also can't necessarily teach courage.

00:16:35.000 I can inspire it.

00:16:36.000 But you have to be willing.

00:16:37.000 You also have to be talented.

00:16:39.000 You have to be an improvisational actor.

00:16:41.000 You have to be a conscientious journalist.

00:16:44.000 You have to think on your feet.

00:16:46.000 I can't necessarily teach these things.

00:16:49.000 So people come to me with these skill sets, particularly the young woman did the CIA story.

00:16:53.000 I mean, I could spend 10 years training someone, but she just had them. 0.99

00:16:57.000 And I think you're You're seeing the world change now.

00:17:01.000 Everybody is a journalist.

00:17:02.000 Not everybody is a good journalist.

00:17:04.000 There are still things that we have to teach people, ask them to comment, how to communicate, how to write a headline.

00:17:09.000 People don't have those skill sets.

00:17:11.000 Check out O'Keefe Media Group and support him.

00:17:13.000 James, thanks so much.

00:17:14.000 Excellent work.

00:17:15.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:17:19.000 Joining us now is Todd Bensman.

00:17:20.000 Todd, I want to talk about your new piece here in The Daily Wire, the author of Overrun and fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies.

00:17:27.000 What I think would be helpful, though, is for us to go back to the absolute basic and help the audience understand.

00:17:33.000 Let's pretend I'm a criminal from El Salvador or a bad dude, a bad hombre from Venezuela, and I right now show up at the Yuma Crossing or in Eagle Pass.

00:17:42.000 What happens to me if I'm that individual from Venezuela?

00:17:46.000 Is my background check run?

00:17:48.000 Is DNA testing run?

00:17:49.000 Do we call the Venezuelan government?

00:17:52.000 What is the process in place right now if I were to show up for someone who knows very little about how the border is not or is being managed?

00:18:01.000 agents, if you can find them or wait for them, will bag and tag your belongings, put you in a transport van, and take you to a soft-sided facility or some kind of a Border Patrol facility.

00:18:18.000 Inside that facility, they will take your name, fingerprints, photographs, And run them against databases, criminal history databases, and terrorism databases that are inside.

00:18:33.000 It's a quick, fast check.

00:18:36.000 And if all is well, when they get through, it might take over overnight or whatever, and they will stamp.

00:18:45.000 Release papers, parole papers on your own recognizance and then release you to an NGO somewhere in the vicinity which will help you get a bus or plane to wherever you're going with a notice to appear At some point in the future, could be three months, could be six months to an ICE office in the city of your choice.

00:19:11.000 Kind of a pinky finger honor system that you'll self-report.

00:19:17.000 And then at that point, if you want, you can then make an asylum claim, which most of them will, a lot of them will try to make an asylum claim or some other status claim.

00:19:28.000 But for the most part, they're here permanently unless somebody goes after them and deports them.

00:19:34.000 So, Todd, help me understand.

00:19:36.000 For a while, there was no DNA testing being done.

00:19:39.000 Is that correct?

00:19:40.000 When there were family groups or a few units coming?

00:19:42.000 And if that's the case, Also, how many are just not waiting for Border Patrol and then just waltzing in the country?

00:19:50.000 How many approximately would be the gotaway?

00:19:53.000 Probably 60,000 to 70,000 a month.

00:19:57.000 We think 2 million altogether in the last 36, 40 months.

00:20:02.000 Don't wanna turn themselves into border patrol because they know that those fingerprint checks or, you know, a database check on the tech system will show that they, you know, have been deported five times or eight times and had criminal history, et cetera.

00:20:19.000 So those are gonna run.

00:20:22.000 Those people that are running constitute a really high octane criminality.

00:20:29.000 Yeah, I hope everyone understands this.

00:20:32.000 The ones that you see giving themselves up and waiting for border patrol kind of know

00:20:36.000 that they're kind of clean and nothing will come up on them.

00:20:40.000 That's why they turn themselves in.

00:20:42.000 There's give ups and gotta ways.

00:20:45.000 Yeah, and I hope everyone understands this.

00:20:46.000 The people who give themselves up, they register on an app, show up, get a free ticket,

00:20:51.000 set whatever city they want, get free housing, get a court date in two to 10 years.

00:20:55.000 That sounds like an Expedia.com concierge service, Todd Bensman.

00:21:00.000 We'll see you next time.

00:21:01.000 Well, it's the definition of an open border.

00:21:05.000 When it's 90% guaranteed that when you cross illegally, you will be ushered right through into the United States to do whatever you want for years and years.

00:21:16.000 That's kind of an open border.

00:21:18.000 I don't know what else anybody would ever call it with very, very minimal risk of actually being deported.

00:21:26.000 So that's an open border.

00:21:27.000 That's what it is.

00:21:28.000 And that's why they're coming in such large numbers for three and a half years.

00:21:33.000 So now I want to get to your piece here.

00:21:34.000 Thank you for that.

00:21:35.000 That's very helpful for everyone to understand.

00:21:36.000 And that's two million gotaways, two million bad hombres that did not want to wait, and they're at the interior of the country.

00:21:42.000 So recently, eight men from Central Asian country Tajikistan were arrested after entering via the southwest border and allegedly planning a bombing.

00:21:49.000 Tell us about the story.

00:21:51.000 These people were trying to bomb the interior of the United States?

00:21:54.000 Right.

00:21:54.000 This is a story.

00:21:56.000 It's a very monumental, significant national security case.

00:22:01.000 The first really of its kind associated with this massive historic border crisis that we've all been warning about terrorists crossing for three years.

00:22:11.000 And it looks like eight Tajiks actually did. 1.00

00:22:15.000 They either crossed illegally or they used the CBP One app to schedule their illegal entries with the government.

00:22:24.000 And within a year or so, the FBI was arresting them.

00:22:29.000 It looks like they were arrested in the first week of June in three different cities for plotting some sort of a bomb attack.

00:22:39.000 It was an FBI sting, a multi-agency, multi-state sting.

00:22:45.000 At this point, there is no indictment.

00:22:48.000 There's no unsealed indictment.

00:22:49.000 There's no court case that I know of.

00:22:51.000 It looks like the government has decided to turn this into a kind of an immigration case.

00:22:57.000 For now, they turned them over to ICE.

00:22:59.000 ICE supposedly has them, which means that the details of the case may never become public because they'll just do deportations quietly, hope that people like you and me forget all about it.

00:23:13.000 And then it just goes away until November.

00:23:15.000 Really, November 5th is what the object here is, in my opinion.

00:23:18.000 You know, no news is good news on that story until November 5th.

00:23:25.000 I don't know if we're trying our best.

00:23:26.000 However, Todd, the no news is good news is that the amount of Americans being murdered right now, they're losing the narrative on this, right?

00:23:34.000 I mean, they might, you know, slow down the bum rush in some ways, which they haven't, but the amount of crime on the Right, and the issue with trying to quantify that really is that most states other than Florida and Texas do not count immigration status when they make arrests and when they do sentencing.

00:24:03.000 It happens in Texas, and recently a law was passed in Florida to do it there, but it's still kind of early.

00:24:10.000 To get numbers.

00:24:11.000 So what we know is mostly anecdotal in the media.

00:24:15.000 And as we know, most of the media really shies away from ever reporting immigration status.

00:24:22.000 But conservative media is out there reporting this and some regular media is reporting it.

00:24:28.000 And it's just bloody mayhem from one end of the country to the other.

00:24:32.000 And I'm not talking about regular crime.

00:24:34.000 I'm talking about slaughtering, torturing, raping kind of crime.

00:24:40.000 From illegal immigrants who have been deported six, five, eight, ten times, right? 0.96

00:24:45.000 And it just keeps coming, these horror stories, the Halloween horror stories just keep coming.

00:24:53.000 I wish we could quantify it, but I think the American people kind of know that this is happening, that this sort of thing is going on, and that it's pretty ubiquitous.

00:25:06.000 So let me ask you, if Donald Trump were to win, a missing component here is getting the Mexican government to secure the border.

00:25:14.000 If the Mexican government wanted to quell this invasion, let's just say if President Trump takes office, and he calls up the new communist woman who's running Mexico, and he says, listen, You have 48 hours or else there's a 50% tariff on anything coming into America. 0.86

00:25:31.000 Not a single person is allowed to come across the border.

00:25:33.000 Does the Mexican government have the capacity or the ability to do that?

00:25:37.000 Totally.

00:25:38.000 In fact, Charlie, they're doing it right now under a deal with the Biden administration that his State Department, he did too.

00:25:48.000 He went down there himself in December, just before Christmas, and they struck a deal.

00:25:53.000 We don't know what the nature of that is.

00:25:55.000 We think it's more carrots than sticks that the Mexican government, Lopez Obrador, would shut things down or slow things down until November, until the election.

00:26:08.000 And they have been doing that.

00:26:09.000 I know because I've been down there with the Mexican troops watching them do it multiple times, and they are slowing it down to keep the U.S.

00:26:20.000 media away up until November 5th.

00:26:22.000 We don't know what they're getting paid.

00:26:25.000 We know that Lopez Obrador has asked for $20 billion.

00:26:29.000 It's working right now.

00:26:31.000 When Trump was in office, it worked then too.

00:26:34.000 He was a stick kind of guy.

00:26:38.000 And if Biden is offering carrots, it's a sure bet that the Mexican government will just decide to shut it down whenever they feel like it.

00:26:50.000 But if it sticks, like Trump did in his first term, we know that they will abide by it.

00:26:56.000 They did slow things down significantly during the Trump years.

00:27:01.000 When Trump gets back in, it's going to be another tariff threat, etc.

00:27:05.000 He'll put it right back in.

00:27:06.000 And keep it going after November 5th.

00:27:09.000 Keep it going after November 5th.

00:27:11.000 There is absolute evidence that the Mexican government can massively impact this situation.

00:27:18.000 They did it during Trump.

00:27:19.000 They're doing it now under Biden.

00:27:21.000 And they did it during COVID, too.

00:27:23.000 All those governments did it under COVID.

00:27:26.000 Todd Bensman, please stay right there.

00:27:28.000 And just really quick, how many illegals are crossing the border daily right now?

00:27:33.000 Right now it's in the neighborhood of $3,500 a day to $7,000 a day depending.

00:27:40.000 Those numbers are considerably down from the pre-Mexico deal when it was $10,000, $12,000, $13,000 and $14,000 a day.

00:27:50.000 We can expect if Biden wins, it'll return to that.

00:27:53.000 But I want to point out that 5,000 a day is absolutely ionospheric.

00:27:59.000 That is a crazy number.

00:28:00.000 Nobody should ever accept that in a piece of legislation or an executive order or under any circumstance.

00:28:07.000 The law says zero a day.

00:28:10.000 So here's what's important.

00:28:10.000 Yes.

00:28:11.000 President Trump is going to be, Biden will say, oh, border crossings are down half.

00:28:16.000 President Trump needs to cross-examine Biden and say, how many people are actually coming across the southern border?

00:28:22.000 Don't talk your double talk.

00:28:23.000 The actual raw numbers are extraordinary.

00:28:26.000 7,000, 5,000 people a day?

00:28:27.000 It's unbelievable.

00:28:32.000 So Todd, this is a very fixable problem.

00:28:36.000 How many illegal aliens are currently in the interior of the United States in totality?

00:28:41.000 Right, well that came over in this border crisis, we think somewhere on the order of 7 million.

00:28:48.000 Minimum, because we really can't count the gotaways very well.

00:28:53.000 We know the known gotaways, but the unknown gotaways are projected at much higher.

00:28:58.000 But that's how many we believe have gotten in during this particular three-year span.

00:29:04.000 So that is 7 million in just a three-year span.

00:29:09.000 What is the entire foreign or illegal population in the United States now in its totality?

00:29:15.000 Well, the Center for Immigration Studies, we always kind of go to the conservative side of the band.

00:29:20.000 There's a big range of that, but we think there's probably about still 11 or 12 million, maybe 13, 14 million Illegally that is that are known but then we think that there there are a lot of it's really counted by foreign born so it's hard to figure out

00:29:39.000 Through public records what the illegal population is nobody really really knows that but my organization thinks it's somewhere in the 12 million range maybe 14 million at this point because of the mass migration crisis But nobody really has a good way to get a handle on that so you get crazy ranges on that millions and millions though Yeah, I mean, so when Donald Trump talks about the largest deportation force in history, in your expert opinion, what is the best way to go about doing that?

00:30:14.000 Deportation, and then more deportation, and then more deportation after that.

00:30:21.000 He's going to need to have to, he can convert current facilities that have been built for the influx, for the inflow.

00:30:29.000 Into detention space and expand that and he's gonna need more infrastructure in ice air airplanes to fly the multinational There's only 6,000 of them.

00:30:45.000 the way back to Africa, Asia, Eurasia, deep into South America, etc.

00:30:51.000 And so he's going to have to expand the fleet, so to speak.

00:30:56.000 He's also going to have to expand the personnel with ICE, ERO, the detention and removal.

00:31:04.000 These are the interior guys.

00:31:06.000 There's only 6,000 of them.

00:31:07.000 He's going to need a lot more than that to get this thing started.

00:31:12.000 But even if he can't get all of the ones that came in out, it's very important because of

00:31:20.000 the messaging power of deportation that they're happening in the interior, that they just

00:31:27.000 do it as aggressively as possible and increase the odds that somebody's going to catch up

00:31:33.000 with you sooner or later in the United States, so they'll stay home to start with.

00:31:39.000 They won't spend the $10,000 for smuggling.

00:31:42.000 if they know the odds are high that they're going to be deported.

00:31:46.000 So he just has to increase the odds enough to actually make an effective deterrent on further influxes.

00:31:55.000 And then it's just going to take years and years of deportation to reduce this thing.

00:32:00.000 What can Trump do to encourage rapid self-deportation?

00:32:05.000 Can Trump's Department of Justice pulverize employers who use illegal labor, for example?

00:32:11.000 That should be done.

00:32:12.000 E-Verify is the vehicle to do that.

00:32:17.000 Nobody seems to want to Put E-Verify into place for whatever reason.

00:32:25.000 There are ways that you can leverage individuals to self-deport.

00:32:30.000 For example, you can put different kinds of criminal charges on them.

00:32:35.000 Illegal entry, for example, or that you have a bogus social security card, or you have, you know, fake documents, identity documents.

00:32:48.000 And if you charge people with federal crimes, even misdemeanors for those things, you can make a deal saying, hey, we'll drop the charges if you self-deport.

00:32:57.000 And there'll be a 10-year bar or more on any kind of legal or illegal entry without prison.

00:33:04.000 There are ways to leverage that.

00:33:06.000 The state of Texas is doing that right now.

00:33:08.000 They passed a bill called SB4.

00:33:12.000 It's litigated right now, so they haven't actually had a chance to implement, but it's probably going to survive or people will survive.

00:33:20.000 Inside that is a, you know, if we bust you and put you on trespassing charges, or these other kind of charges, illegal entry charges, you can get them dropped if you self-deport back to your home country.

00:33:33.000 So, it's a pretty good idea, I think.

00:33:36.000 It's definitely worth trying.

00:33:38.000 Gotta run.

00:33:38.000 Thanks so much, Todd Bensman.

00:33:39.000 Appreciate it.

00:33:40.000 Thank you.

00:33:43.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:45.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:47.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 21, 2024

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