The Charlie Kirk Show - Disparate Impact Downfall

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00:01:09.000 Everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 Blake, it's a good day.

00:01:13.000 It's a good day.

00:01:14.000 December 10th, here we are in studio.

00:01:16.000 Lots going on.

00:01:17.000 And by the way, some really, really great news.

00:01:19.000 Yes.

00:01:20.000 Huge news for Erica and the team and really for Charlie.

00:01:26.000 We have just got the Wall Street Journal published it this morning.

00:01:29.000 Charlie Kirk's newest book is a hit and it is out of stock on Amazon.

00:01:34.000 Here you go.

00:01:35.000 Yep, that's the graphic from the Wall Street Journal, the story.

00:01:38.000 And here, of course, is the book.

00:01:40.000 Stop in the name of God.

00:01:42.000 Why honoring the Sabbath will transform your life. 0.52

00:01:46.000 Erica has been doing an amazing job.

00:01:47.000 She, of course, was on this show yesterday promoting it in Charlie's stead.

00:01:52.000 And I just couldn't be more proud of her and everything she's doing.

00:01:56.000 I mean, she's going on the five.

00:01:59.000 I think she's doing outnumbered this morning.

00:02:01.000 Hannity radio calls.

00:02:03.000 She's doing the whole circuit.

00:02:04.000 Obviously, this is her first time doing this.

00:02:06.000 Like, you know, people don't realize this about Erica.

00:02:09.000 It's not like she's been trained like Charlie over 12 years of doing repeat records.

00:02:13.000 Oh, exactly.

00:02:13.000 Exactly.

00:02:14.000 She's doing tremendous.

00:02:15.000 Yes.

00:02:16.000 Absolutely immense.

00:02:17.000 Yeah.

00:02:18.000 Beginning to end, top to bottom.

00:02:19.000 Yeah.

00:02:20.000 So they're all impressed.

00:02:21.000 They've sold like 60,000 copies in the first day of this book.

00:02:24.000 Oh, that's really good.

00:02:25.000 Tremendous.

00:02:26.000 And they're doing that.

00:02:26.000 Yeah.

00:02:28.000 Books don't always sell that much these days.

00:02:30.000 45books.com, if you want to get your 60,000.

00:02:30.000 No.

00:02:34.000 Yeah, if you want to get your copy.

00:02:38.000 And I said this in a tweet yesterday that I pitched Charlie on doing all kinds of different politics books.

00:02:44.000 Like we were talking about what is his next book going to be, and he was just adamant.

00:02:47.000 He's like, no, it's going to be about the Sabbath.

00:02:49.000 I've been wanting to write this book for a long time.

00:02:51.000 I really want to write it.

00:02:52.000 I was like, okay, but like the Sabbath, you know.

00:02:55.000 And it's just apropos.

00:02:56.000 It's almost like he saved his most important book for last in a lot of ways.

00:03:00.000 And his most timeless one.

00:03:02.000 All the other ones, they're a moment in time.

00:03:05.000 College will hopefully be either destroyed or reformed.

00:03:08.000 You don't need to call it a scam anymore.

00:03:09.000 Right-wing revolution.

00:03:10.000 That was all about what the next GOP admin should do.

00:03:13.000 But this is one you could have 30 years from now, 50 years from now, 200 years from now.

00:03:18.000 Yeah, 1,000%.

00:03:20.000 I want to play a couple clips from Erica being on the five yesterday just because it was so it was.

00:03:26.000 I mean, I don't remember the last time I saw kind of like a guest host on the five, especially, you know, promoting a book.

00:03:32.000 So thank you to the five and Jesse and Greg and Dana and even Jessica Tarlov.

00:03:39.000 She was very sweet.

00:03:40.000 219.

00:03:42.000 Jesse and Greg are in a Bible study group together.

00:03:46.000 Are they really?

00:03:46.000 Because of Charlie Kirk.

00:03:48.000 Okay, that is really cool.

00:03:49.000 So every morning.

00:03:50.000 That is really cool.

00:03:52.000 Every morning we wake up and we read a passage and then we text about it.

00:03:56.000 Okay.

00:03:56.000 And it is because of Charlie.

00:03:58.000 I love that.

00:04:00.000 So what he was saying was Harold, Jesse, and Greg.

00:04:04.000 So Harold's the liberal, and Jesse and Greg are not.

00:04:08.000 And they're all in a Bible study because of Charlie.

00:04:10.000 So we found that out yesterday, which was amazing.

00:04:14.000 Here's Erica Kirk telling the five about how President Trump has been there for her in this time, 220.

00:04:19.000 When Donald Trump secured peace in the Middle East, the next day he flew back to D.C. to deliver my husband's Medal of Freedom to me.

00:04:31.000 He didn't have to do that.

00:04:33.000 So a lot of people, I understand there's a lot of policy and everything involved, but also I am very proud to have Donald Trump as our president.

00:04:41.000 I really am.

00:04:42.000 He's a good man.

00:04:43.000 He's a good man.

00:04:44.000 And, you know, 233, put that picture back up.

00:04:48.000 Stop in the name of God.

00:04:49.000 Tops number one on Amazon bestseller list.

00:04:54.000 It's sold out on Amazon.

00:04:55.000 They're getting more.

00:04:56.000 You have to print more.

00:04:57.000 And I've been checking it.

00:04:58.000 It looks like we only have physical copies of this.

00:05:00.000 It looks like that's what 45 books, their approaches.

00:05:03.000 I'm really happy to have my copy.

00:05:05.000 And I'm like literally reading a couple chapters every night.

00:05:07.000 And I'm telling you, this book is, I mean, I know it's like people would expect me to say, I would probably remain silent if I didn't have anything nice to say about it.

00:05:17.000 Actually, I would just sort of say, you know, check it out.

00:05:19.000 Support Charlie, support Erica.

00:05:21.000 Like, it's really freaking good, man.

00:05:24.000 You know, when God instituted the Sabbath, he wove rest into the fabric of creation.

00:05:29.000 And on the seventh day, God finished his work that he had done.

00:05:32.000 And he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done.

00:05:34.000 Genesis 2.2.

00:05:35.000 God did not rest because he was tired.

00:05:37.000 He rested because he was satisfied.

00:05:39.000 And he invites us to do the same.

00:05:40.000 There's like all these little like tidbits that these breakthrough ideas in this book.

00:05:45.000 And it's just, it's just phenomenal.

00:05:48.000 So congratulations to Eric and the team, the team at Winning Team Publishing, 45Books.com.

00:05:54.000 If you want to get your copy, Erica's actually, it was funny because this morning I've been texting with a bunch of people.

00:06:01.000 Erica's going to do Glenn Beck's show tomorrow morning.

00:06:04.000 And then so we got into a conversation with Glenn's team.

00:06:07.000 And then, so Glenn's actually going to join us at the top of the show tomorrow, which will be great.

00:06:11.000 And we can talk about that and many other things.

00:06:13.000 But there's another big news story that was near and dear to Charlie's heart.

00:06:18.000 Oh, this is, this is lovely.

00:06:19.000 And it's near and dear to Blake's heart.

00:06:21.000 So we're going to hit it at hour one.

00:06:22.000 We're also going to bring Harmet Dylan from the DOJ Civil Rights Department on at the second half of this hour to talk about it.

00:06:29.000 But that is, of course, the rolling back of disparate impact standards within the DOJ and within the federal government.

00:06:35.000 Blake, what is disparate impact if you had to boil it down?

00:06:39.000 So disparate impact is more people are thankfully becoming aware of it, but it's been around for half a century at this point.

00:06:39.000 Alrighty.

00:06:47.000 And disparate impact is sort of the, it's the spearhead for a lot of what we'd call the DEI regime, the agenda, the DEI dictatorship of America, which is where instead of things coming down to merit, coming down to measurable ability, where we reduce things to quotas, to favoritism, to discrimination based on race or sex or national origin or who knows what.

00:07:15.000 And, you know, I think this is actually a good opportunity to bring in Charlie because he was talking about this in April when there was a Trump executive order concerning this.

00:07:25.000 And we're going to get to the follow-up in a second.

00:07:27.000 But this was Charlie summing it up.

00:07:29.000 Let's play 236.

00:07:31.000 In 1971, there was a Supreme Court case, Griggs v. Duke Power Company.

00:07:36.000 Duke Power was sued because for people to get certain jobs at the company, they required them to either have a high school diploma or pass an aptitude test.

00:07:44.000 Black applicants were less likely to have a diploma.

00:07:47.000 And they didn't do as well on the aptitude test.

00:07:50.000 The Supreme Court ruled that Duke's job requirements were, quote, justified, were not justified by business necessity.

00:07:57.000 And so they were illegally discriminatory.

00:08:00.000 And thus the doctrine of disparate impact was born.

00:08:02.000 So what he's saying there is the idea was this was a neutral test.

00:08:07.000 This is just having a high school diploma or taking this aptitude test. 0.96

00:08:10.000 No one could really, there was no one actually coming in and saying, oh, don't hire black people. 0.74

00:08:17.000 But they were just less likely to do well as well on this test.

00:08:19.000 And the court said, well, we don't think this test is close enough to what you need employees to do at this company.

00:08:26.000 And because it doesn't have an equal outcome between these two groups, it's discriminatory.

00:08:32.000 So it's what took our law from what most people think of when they think of discrimination, where you're deliberately discriminating against people.

00:08:39.000 And they're saying anything you do, if it has an unequal outcome, can be labeled illegal, can be labeled illegal discrimination, can get you sued.

00:08:49.000 And what that's turned into is essentially anything can be illegal because newsflash, Andrew, everything has unequal outcomes.

00:08:58.000 Everything in the world.

00:08:59.000 No one, actually, I think we have this as well.

00:09:01.000 Literally every standard imaginable has created, has some sort of disparate impact against a group.

00:09:08.000 Nobody on this planet has ever designed a test or a standard that men, women, blacks, whites, Asians, Hispanics, Catholic, Jews, gays, straits do so equally well.

00:09:18.000 The very idea is an absurd fantasy.

00:09:20.000 You're going to have different outcomes.

00:09:22.000 But what disparate impact does is it says the test itself is wrong.

00:09:29.000 It is a loophole that you could drive a semi-truck through.

00:09:32.000 It's a little sliver.

00:09:34.000 You say, oh, disparate impact.

00:09:35.000 Well, what's the big deal here?

00:09:36.000 No, no, no, no.

00:09:37.000 This has been exploited by DEI actors for the last 30 years.

00:09:42.000 30 years?

00:09:43.000 The last 50 years, really?

00:09:45.000 And again, one of the things I want to get into is aptitude tests.

00:09:49.000 We used to acquire these to get a job in the federal government, for example.

00:09:52.000 And one of the best examples of this was the NYPD.

00:09:57.000 I brought it up before Class of Chiefs, the 1939.

00:10:00.000 Now, this had controversy because they claimed it was anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish.

00:10:03.000 But here's what's interesting.

00:10:04.000 They had so many applicants.

00:10:06.000 They just selected candidates from the top scorers on the civil service exam.

00:10:09.000 Far more officers made it to retirement or achieved high-rank performance than any other year.

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00:11:19.000 Blake, we were talking about aptitude tests, good or bad.

00:11:24.000 Aptitude tests are great.

00:11:25.000 They're one of the fairest things we have in modern life.

00:11:28.000 No, they're racist.

00:11:29.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:30.000 There are a lot of things that get called racist in America.

00:11:32.000 You know what's funny?

00:11:33.000 Charlie loved Thomas Sowell's book on disparate impact.

00:11:38.000 It was discrimination and disparities, right?

00:11:40.000 And the whole theme of the book is that you challenge single explanations, like single factor explanations.

00:11:47.000 So disparities are not solely due to discrimination, exploitation, genetics.

00:11:51.000 There's multivariate analysis that needs to be done.

00:11:53.000 It's complex thinking.

00:11:54.000 Like you can't just say.

00:11:56.000 What's great about aptitude tests is anyone can walk in and do well on a test, whereas every other standard people propose those alternatives.

00:12:03.000 They're always much more likely to favor people who have networks, who have other things they can take advantage of.

00:12:11.000 Frankly, it's way better to be a person with money with an informal system than just a system where whoever scores best does best.

00:12:17.000 I recommend everybody check out Thomas Soule's book, Discrimination and Disparities.

00:12:22.000 It's one of Charlie's favorite books to quote.

00:12:24.000 And in it, Soul challenges single factor explanations.

00:12:30.000 And what that means is there is disparities in racial outcomes.

00:12:36.000 Blacks and Hispanics tended not to do as well on certain aptitude tests.

00:12:40.000 We can ask questions of why that is. 0.94

00:12:43.000 So they got rid of aptitude tests largely.

00:12:45.000 In order to get into the federal government, you had to pass, or you had to take a PACE test, which was, what is it, Stanford?

00:12:52.000 Political and professional and career examination.

00:12:56.000 An administrative career examination.

00:12:57.000 Yeah.

00:12:58.000 And so we still have some tests in the federal government, but widely they've been removed.

00:13:03.000 That's the important thing about disparate impact.

00:13:04.000 It doesn't actually ban tests.

00:13:06.000 There are still, for example, the maybe unless they got rid of the State Department has long had a test to get in, for example.

00:13:13.000 But when we say, I said disparate impact makes everything illegal, it literally does make everything illegal.

00:13:20.000 And what that means is that you have government by vibes.

00:13:23.000 So, for example, with disparate impact, a company, if they say, we're just going to give every job applicant an IQ test and hire the top scorers, they'll get, historically, they would get a very questionable look from the federal government.

00:13:38.000 It would feel legally risky to do.

00:13:40.000 But if they say, you need this or that college diploma to be hired by us, it's very unlikely that they would be questioned, even if that diploma isn't super directly related to what they're hiring for.

00:13:52.000 And both of those things have a disparate impact.

00:13:54.000 You know, whites and Asians are more likely to have college diplomas than black Americans, for example.

00:13:58.000 So why is one looked at negatively and the other isn't?

00:14:02.000 It basically just comes down to how the bureaucrats feel.

00:14:04.000 It's vibes-based. 0.57

00:14:05.000 And government bureaucrats and lawyers like colleges.

00:14:08.000 They like diplomas. 0.84

00:14:09.000 They like liberal colleges dispensing these job-granting credentials to people that you have to pay a ton of money for.

00:14:16.000 And they don't like IQ tests.

00:14:18.000 And so you get this vibes-based government.

00:14:21.000 And then you also get, that's what also drives that HR ratchet that Charlie would talk so much about, which is you avoid getting the government after you by doing all these big, loud, expensive signals that you're not racist, that you're not sexist, because everyone's breaking the law because everything's illegal.

00:14:37.000 So you just are trying to say, don't eat me, because they can't eat everyone.

00:14:41.000 And this all loops around to why we're talking about this today, because one of the great things going on in this administration, something that's not talked about enough, is they have been waging war on this monstrosity.

00:14:53.000 The reason we had those Charlie clips is President Trump did an executive order to roll back disparate impact last April.

00:15:00.000 And just yesterday, we had a great announcement from the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division where they're going after the traditional disparate impact prioritization in their office.

00:15:13.000 The quote they had from their division.

00:15:15.000 The prior disparate impact regulations encourage people to file lawsuits challenging racially neutral policies without evidence of intentional discrimination.

00:15:25.000 Our rejection of this theory will restore true equality under the law by requiring proof of actual discrimination rather than just enforcing race or sex-based quotas or assumptions.

00:15:36.000 And the other thing that we had yesterday, because of this, the civil rights division, a bunch of employees of the DOJ's civil rights decision division have released an open letter denouncing the direction that the department has been headed in.

00:15:51.000 And it turns out about 75% of lawyers, of career lawyers in the DOJ's civil rights division have left because they are outraged at the Direction the Trump administration is taking it.

00:16:02.000 God bless America.

00:16:03.000 Yeah, this is better than Doge.

00:16:05.000 You know, like 75% of a single political bureaucracy, the woke commissars, as Charlie liked to say, get them out.

00:16:05.000 This is better.

00:16:16.000 Former DOJ staff criticize leadership for abandoning civil rights mission.

00:16:22.000 That's a good thing.

00:16:23.000 It's an amazing thing.

00:16:24.000 Stand up and clap.

00:16:25.000 And we're going to give Harmeet Dylan her kudos and a warm congratulatory welcome onto this show because listen, you're losing 75 attorneys that are leaving the DOJ Civil Rights Division.

00:16:40.000 Over 200, 75%.

00:16:41.000 Yeah, 75%.

00:16:43.000 Sorry.

00:16:43.000 More than 200 former employees criticize what they call an ongoing destruction of the civil rights division.

00:16:51.000 This is bigger and more impactful than most people could possibly realize because, yeah, you know, Charlie said 30 years.

00:16:59.000 This has been going on for 50 years in our federal government.

00:17:01.000 When you see a sliding of standards, when you see an abandonment of meritocracy, when you see that, like, I think there's this prevailing fog over the country where it just feels like things don't matter anymore. 0.65

00:17:14.000 It's like, oh, well, people just get away with crap and nobody gets held accountable.

00:17:18.000 This is one of the root causes for that, where it's like Charlie used to say it was like, whose line is it anywhere? 0.93

00:17:23.000 Where the points are made up and the rules don't matter.

00:17:24.000 That's what modern society is starting to feel like.

00:17:27.000 Why does it feel that way?

00:17:28.000 Part of the root cause of this is disparate impact.

00:17:32.000 And by the way, the legal profession getting infected with DI and critical theory and all of these things, it floods out into the wider culture and the wider society, government bureaucracies, civil order.

00:17:44.000 And things fall apart over time.

00:17:46.000 Things disintegrate and degrade.

00:17:49.000 And so if you want to get to root causes, you have to get rid of disparate impact.

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00:18:59.000 Welcome to the show, Harmeet Dylan, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division.

00:18:59.000 All right.

00:19:05.000 Harmeet, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:19:07.000 I think this is the first time we've had you back, if I'm not mistaken, in this brave new world that we're living in.

00:19:13.000 We're honored to have you.

00:19:13.000 So welcome.

00:19:14.000 Thanks for having me.

00:19:15.000 It's always an honor to be on the show.

00:19:18.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:19:19.000 I told the audience, Harmeet, that we were going to give you a very warm welcome because you have done what I think even Doge was not able to do.

00:19:30.000 And I'll let you describe it the way you want to because I know these things can be sensitive in the actual official halls of power.

00:19:39.000 But you're cleaning house at the DOJ's Civil Rights Division.

00:19:44.000 There's a report this morning.

00:19:45.000 We celebrate these changes.

00:19:47.000 And also, there's news on disparate impact.

00:19:49.000 The floor is yours, Harmeet.

00:19:51.000 Well, thank you so much, Andrew.

00:19:52.000 And so, yes, I'm in the news this week because there are hundreds of disgruntled former Civil Rights Division lawyers who voluntarily quit.

00:20:02.000 I didn't fire them.

00:20:03.000 After I told them that their job was going to be to protect the civil rights of all Americans, not just the chosen few and their pet projects that they had been pursuing for decades here in the Civil Rights Division.

00:20:15.000 200 of them or so immediately quit and took a five-month payout, so over $100,000 worth of severance pay.

00:20:23.000 And then over the last few months, another close to 100 have quit.

00:20:28.000 And yet, you know, they're writing in the press, Reuters covered it, and they say that I'm trashing the DOJ.

00:20:34.000 I've changed its mission.

00:20:36.000 I'm making attorneys do stuff they don't want to do.

00:20:40.000 And it's against the storied historic vision of the DOJ.

00:20:45.000 But I completely disagree.

00:20:47.000 I'm really proud of the work that we're doing.

00:20:48.000 And obviously, it seems obvious to me that the United States Department of Justice should be justice for all Americans, not just some Americans or some winners of a victimhood sweepstakes.

00:21:00.000 And I think that actually is very popular with Americans.

00:21:03.000 And we're continuing to do the core focus of our work.

00:21:06.000 We're protecting people with disabilities.

00:21:07.000 We're even protecting prisoners.

00:21:09.000 We're protecting the rights of students in schools, employees in the workplace, contractors, people who are discriminated against, hate crimes, anti-Semitism, actually all the same stuff that we did before we're doing it.

00:21:23.000 But we're just doing it for everybody, not just for some.

00:21:26.000 And we're going to keep doing it that way.

00:21:27.000 So if you don't like it, too bad.

00:21:30.000 This is how it's going to be for the balance of this administration and hopefully beyond, because shouldn't the DOJ be for all Americans?

00:21:38.000 So I'm really proud of that.

00:21:38.000 And this criticism just shows that we're over the target, Andrew.

00:21:42.000 It's amazing.

00:21:42.000 And so it's amazing.

00:21:44.000 Yeah, Harmee, trust me, we are this news.

00:21:47.000 We literally were like standing up and clapping before when we saw it.

00:21:52.000 I'm telling you.

00:21:53.000 So again, just to reiterate, about 75% of attorneys left the DOJ Civil Rights Division amid claims of a coordinated effort to drive them out.

00:22:01.000 No, they quit on their own accord.

00:22:02.000 You did not fire them.

00:22:04.000 And they claim that you're abandoning the civil rights mission of the DOJ.

00:22:10.000 I think this is great.

00:22:11.000 Is it safe to say, Harmee, that the DOJ Civil Rights Division is now hiring?

00:22:16.000 There is some spots that have opened up.

00:22:19.000 Thank you for mentioning that.

00:22:20.000 I was itching to say that.

00:22:21.000 And so to be clear, we have a huge agenda.

00:22:25.000 So it isn't just sort of, there's no goal to shrink the civil rights division.

00:22:29.000 We actually have a huge affirmative agenda.

00:22:31.000 I'm suing 14 states right now, and they're going to be more on that list by the end of the week.

00:22:36.000 A lot of exciting litigation.

00:22:37.000 We just sued Minneapolis for discriminating against teachers who are not minorities and, you know, on and on and on.

00:22:45.000 And so we are hiring.

00:22:46.000 And so lawyers with at least 18 months experience who are interested in serving a tour of duty to help their country can apply at usajobs.gov and look for civil rights division.

00:22:58.000 We are hiring as fast as we can qualified candidates who are willing to do the work I just articulated.

00:23:04.000 Enforce all of our federal civil rights statutes with a lens of all Americans and this administration's priorities.

00:23:11.000 What's that URL again, Harme?

00:23:13.000 I want to put it up on USAJobs.gov.

00:23:18.000 USAJobs.gov.

00:23:19.000 If you want to go work with Harmeet Dylan and you are an attorney that wants to defend the civil rights of all Americans.

00:23:26.000 Novel idea.

00:23:27.000 Novel idea.

00:23:28.000 You know what's funny about this whole thing?

00:23:30.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:23:31.000 Go to usajobs.gov and I'll have the team put it up on that lower banner there so everybody can write it down.

00:23:38.000 You know, what's crazy about this, you know, when they started this stuff back in the 60s, right, Disparate Impact, which we're going to talk about next, you know, I get it.

00:23:46.000 Okay.

00:23:46.000 It was like, let's say it was 83% white country.

00:23:49.000 Now we're basically 50%.

00:23:51.000 We're on track to, you know, I think the last census had whites at, what, 56, 57% of the population.

00:23:57.000 You give that another 10 years, it's going to be probably under 50%, maybe right around 50%.

00:24:03.000 I mean, that's what we're kind of like losing every 10 years at a 10-year clip.

00:24:06.000 When I was born, I think we were around 80% white still.

00:24:09.000 But as this happens, you're going to see, I don't know, some of this old way of thinking about how white equals bad, oppressive, majority, like it's got to necessarily, we've got to rethink the way this is happening.

00:24:23.000 Because if you're just going to say that another one of the minorities in this country, like, I mean, it might be minority, majority, but like still, it's not the same dynamics as it was in the past.

00:24:32.000 And we have to make sure everybody is getting protected.

00:24:36.000 And one of the ways that you do that.

00:24:38.000 Sorry, if you want to chime in there, Harmie, feel free.

00:24:40.000 Yeah, so let me talk about that.

00:24:42.000 I mean, let's be very frank here.

00:24:44.000 We have a history of discrimination in our country.

00:24:46.000 There were slaves.

00:24:47.000 They were not white.

00:24:49.000 And they were then kept down by mainly southern, but not exclusively southern states.

00:24:55.000 And so the Civil Rights Act of 1964 included a very important law that I have personally used for most of my career, Title VII, which protects people from discrimination in employment.

00:25:07.000 And then in 1968, the Civil Rights Act added this provision that we're going to talk about, Title VI.

00:25:14.000 And that deals with all the folks who have contracts with the government, government contractors, and anybody who does business with the government or receives money from the government, including all American universities, except for Hillsdale, pretty much, and all school districts and so forth.

00:25:28.000 It's a pretty vast coverage of this statute.

00:25:31.000 And the DOJ provides guidance on it.

00:25:34.000 And so I don't want to bore people with too much legalese, but I think this is a really important law and important development.

00:25:40.000 And the Supreme Court in 1971 issued a case called Duke Power versus Griggs.

00:25:46.000 And this was about a janitor who allegedly was impacted negatively by some policies in hiring at Duke Power.

00:25:53.000 And that started this concept of disparate impact.

00:25:56.000 So in other words, you no longer necessarily had to prove in your discrimination case, whatever the context was, that you were actually being the victim of intentional discrimination.

00:26:07.000 You could simply prove that there's a hiring process or a policy or there's certain tests that are required.

00:26:13.000 And because I'm African American, we can't pass a test.

00:26:15.000 We were going back and forth on that at the top of the show.

00:26:17.000 And the line we were discussing, which I'm a big fan of, is disparate impact seems to just, it literally makes everything illegal because nothing is actually equal except, I guess, true random chance, right?

00:26:28.000 It really shifts the burden away from the plaintiff and to the employer to defend themselves. 0.78

00:26:35.000 And when you use statistics, as Mark Twain famously said about statistics, lies, and damn statistics, you can chop and slice and dice them and prove anything.

00:26:46.000 And we have statisticians here in the civil rights division who, you can give them a premise, they'll be able to come up with some formula to prove it. 0.96

00:26:53.000 That's not how we should be running our businesses or our world.

00:26:57.000 And so as to Title VI, when the United States gives federal funds, whether it's in a contract basis or grants, we have now issued a guidance that says that this 50 years of discrimination against, frankly, law-abiding practices and businesses and recipients is over.

00:27:17.000 It is harming a lot of people.

00:27:19.000 It is wrong.

00:27:20.000 And you should go back to having to prove intentional discrimination.

00:27:24.000 By the way, there may be statistical cases to be brought there.

00:27:27.000 So we're not banning the use of statistics.

00:27:29.000 What we're saying is we're not going to let people use statistics to assume a default of discrimination.

00:27:35.000 And people are going to have to prove their cases.

00:27:38.000 And that includes the government sometimes.

00:27:39.000 That includes me.

00:27:40.000 If I have to bring a case against a school district or against a university, I have to use my evidence and prove the case, not just have a default assumption of discrimination, because that has hurt so many people in our country.

00:27:57.000 It has eroded merit-based hiring.

00:28:00.000 It has put companies on the defensive.

00:28:02.000 It has encouraged and now institutionalized quotas from every institution, including the boardrooms of America's largest corporations, because they're all government contractors.

00:28:13.000 And so this is so damaging.

00:28:15.000 And if we can just reverse that back to an assumption that Americans are good, generally speaking, we follow the law.

00:28:21.000 If something bad happened to you, prove it with intentional discrimination evidence.

00:28:25.000 I think that is really a great development for all Americans.

00:28:28.000 Politico's framing of this is hilarious.

00:28:31.000 DOJ rolls back anti-discrimination rules.

00:28:34.000 Trump officials say the requirement to consider racial impacts was itself a form of discrimination.

00:28:38.000 It says the Justice Department on Tuesday moved to end long-standing civil rights policies that prohibit local governments and organizations that receive federal money from maintaining policies that disproportionately harm people of color.

00:28:49.000 Why are you hurting people of color?

00:28:50.000 Repealing the government's 50-year-old disparate impact standard will make it harder to challenge potential bias in housing, criminal law, and employment.

00:28:57.000 I mean, it's basically frames it as you're ripping away this sacred shroud from the protection for disadvantaged people, Harmeet.

00:29:08.000 It's a very important thing.

00:29:09.000 I'm clutching my imaginary pearls here, Andrew.

00:29:12.000 And the fact is that that's all fake news, okay?

00:29:16.000 I have been a lawyer for over 30 years, and the last 20 years of it has been as a plaintiff's lawyer proving discrimination cases.

00:29:22.000 You can absolutely do it without this unnecessary crutch.

00:29:27.000 And we will continue to pursue and take action against discrimination here at the DOJ.

00:29:34.000 I do it every day.

00:29:35.000 I just filed a lawsuit today, and we'll be filing some more later this week.

00:29:39.000 And we're just leveling the playing field and returning it back.

00:29:42.000 And I want to conclude by saying, when Congress passed the law, Title VI, nowhere in that law does it say disparate impact.

00:29:50.000 That's not Congress's intent.

00:29:52.000 It was made up by a court, and we're getting rid of it here at the DOJ.

00:29:56.000 Well, God bless you, Harmee K. Dillon, Assistant Attorney General at the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.

00:30:03.000 Thank you so much for all your great work.

00:30:05.000 You are crushing it, and we are so proud to have you on this show.

00:30:09.000 Go get a job.

00:30:10.000 If you're a lawyer out there, go work with Harmeet and help make the country a better place.

00:30:14.000 God bless you.

00:30:15.000 Yeah, USAJOBS.gov.

00:30:17.000 Thank you, Harmeet.

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00:32:30.000 I do not know how to do it.

00:32:31.000 I don't know how he did that.

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00:32:40.000 Taking a Sabbath will help you do that. 0.65

00:32:41.000 All right, Blake, President Trump was in Pennsylvania in a Trump rally last year.

00:32:46.000 Yeah, he loves to have those rallies.

00:32:47.000 Just have a rally from now and then.

00:32:48.000 It recharges.

00:32:49.000 Adds him energized.

00:32:50.000 I think there's a little more to it, but yeah, we'll talk about that.

00:32:53.000 But I think it was, I think it's fat.

00:32:54.000 We're going to have Rich Barris on, and so we can talk about the polling.

00:32:57.000 Saw some disturbing results out of Miami.

00:33:00.000 They have a Democrat mayor now, first time in 30 years in Miami, which is not a good sign.

00:33:07.000 We've struggled in some of these special elections.

00:33:09.000 Things are, you know, in the end, we are.

00:33:14.000 This is, it comes down to who is winning elections and in control of things.

00:33:18.000 The only way you can get what we just talked about with disparate impact is by controlling the civil rights office.

00:33:22.000 The only way you do that is by winning elections.

00:33:24.000 Same thing throughout the country.

00:33:26.000 And so it's unfortunate what happened in Miami.

00:33:28.000 But yeah, so President Trump, he was in Pennsylvania holding a rally.

00:33:32.000 And I want to open with, it's not as fiery as the others, but I like it because I think it's him taking advice we gave.

00:33:39.000 It shows the feedback loop is alive.

00:33:40.000 So let's play 227.

00:33:43.000 And I have no higher priority than making America affordable again.

00:33:47.000 That's what we're going to do.

00:33:48.000 And again, they caused the high prices and we're bringing them down.

00:33:52.000 It's a simple message.

00:33:54.000 If I had one message tonight, you know, this is being covered like all over the world.

00:33:58.000 This is crazy because I haven't made a speech in a little while.

00:34:01.000 You know, when you win, when you win, you say, oh, I can now rest.

00:34:04.000 So Susie Trump, do you know Susie Trump?

00:34:08.000 Sometimes referred to as Susie Wilde, Susie Trump.

00:34:12.000 Yeah, so I liked that because we've gotten emails about this.

00:34:14.000 There was that clip that was taken out of context where he says affordability is a hoax and people thought, oh, he doesn't care.

00:34:20.000 No.

00:34:21.000 What it was is he was saying, I am fixing a problem created by the Biden administration and going to bring prices down.

00:34:29.000 That's all the messaging needs to be.

00:34:31.000 And he says it's pretty simple.

00:34:33.000 He says they messed it up.

00:34:35.000 We're fixing it.

00:34:36.000 Real wages are going up.

00:34:37.000 The price of gas nationally, the average is below $3, first time since before Joe Biden took office.

00:34:44.000 And so, I mean, there are good signs.

00:34:46.000 I mean, the price of Thanksgiving meal was down 25%, according to the administration.

00:34:52.000 I did not personally check on that.

00:34:53.000 I'm sure mine was actually up because we had more people around this year.

00:34:56.000 But the point is, President Trump's feedback loop is alive and well.

00:35:01.000 There's been some consternation.

00:35:02.000 I mean, for those who are not aware, there are little rumors and rumblings behind the scenes that, you know, President Trump isn't on Twitter.

00:35:09.000 He's not getting that.

00:35:11.000 Those rallies are kind of work as a poll test for him, kind of a focus group, if you will.

00:35:16.000 He says certain things, pays attention, what gets the biggest applause lines, and then he kind of like dials in his messaging that way.

00:35:24.000 So if you're just dealing with issues of state all the time and you're kind of confined into your White House bubble, you're going to miss some of those feedback loops.

00:35:31.000 So how do you make sure that President Trump is hearing from the base, especially in the wake of Charlie being gone?

00:35:36.000 Charlie was a great conduit for that kind of stuff.

00:35:39.000 Well, this is proof that the message is getting through, that people are hearing, hey, affordability, affordability, affordability, domestic, domestic, domestic.

00:35:46.000 So, this is a whole affordability tour in Pennsylvania.

00:35:50.000 I like it because as soon as President Trump, during Thanksgiving, announced he was doing a third world immigration moratorium, things, you know, I made a prediction that this was going to be one of his most popular policy planks of all time.

00:36:06.000 And he's hitting this hard.

00:36:08.000 221.

00:36:09.000 If you don't share our values, contribute to our economy, and assimilate into our society, then we don't want you in our country.

00:36:16.000 We don't want you.

00:36:17.000 I mean, Elon Omar and the people from Somalia, they hate our country. 1.00

00:36:22.000 And they think we're stupid people, which actually, when they allow that to happen, they are. 1.00

00:36:27.000 That's headed by Governor Walsh, one of the dumber people around. 1.00

00:36:30.000 No, but he's given, but think of it. 0.99

00:36:32.000 He's given not like peanuts, billions.

00:36:36.000 These are people that don't work in their own country.

00:36:39.000 Their own country is a failure.

00:36:41.000 They have no money.

00:36:42.000 And yet they come into our country and seal tens of billions of dollars. 1.00

00:36:47.000 How stupid are we to allow that to happen? 1.00

00:36:50.000 Just hammer away. 1.00

00:36:52.000 Hammer away at this.

00:36:53.000 And I actually, I'm.

00:36:55.000 It really is the perfect thing because the left has boxed itself in ideologically where they're so radicalized on immigration, they can never admit that any group of immigrants is just not worth bringing into America.

00:37:09.000 And this is, it's like the perfect specimen in terms of they cost a lot of money, so they're not contributing that much economically.

00:37:18.000 They're very culturally hostile. 0.98

00:37:20.000 They're very clannish. 1.00

00:37:21.000 They're not assimilating well.

00:37:22.000 And they have this avatar who's so unappealing, Ilhan Omar. 1.00

00:37:25.000 Gosh, she's awful. 0.99

00:37:26.000 She married her brother to get in here. 1.00

00:37:28.000 I have to, the third world country, real quick. 1.00

00:37:30.000 This is funny.

00:37:31.000 I hope they bleeped it.

00:37:32.000 Ride the dump button.

00:37:33.000 224.

00:37:34.000 I've also announced a permanent pause on third world migration, including from hellholes like Afghanistan, Haiti, Somalia, and many other countries. 1.00

00:37:52.000 I didn't say all you did.

00:37:59.000 That's a good moment.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 10, 2025

Disparate Impact Downfall

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