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00:04:33.000So a lot of people, I understand there's a lot of policy and everything involved, but also I am very proud to have Donald Trump as our president.
00:05:05.000And I'm like literally reading a couple chapters every night.
00:05:07.000And I'm telling you, this book is, I mean, I know it's like people would expect me to say, I would probably remain silent if I didn't have anything nice to say about it.
00:05:17.000Actually, I would just sort of say, you know, check it out.
00:06:47.000And disparate impact is sort of the, it's the spearhead for a lot of what we'd call the DEI regime, the agenda, the DEI dictatorship of America, which is where instead of things coming down to merit, coming down to measurable ability, where we reduce things to quotas, to favoritism, to discrimination based on race or sex or national origin or who knows what.
00:07:15.000And, you know, I think this is actually a good opportunity to bring in Charlie because he was talking about this in April when there was a Trump executive order concerning this.
00:07:25.000And we're going to get to the follow-up in a second.
00:07:31.000In 1971, there was a Supreme Court case, Griggs v. Duke Power Company.
00:07:36.000Duke Power was sued because for people to get certain jobs at the company, they required them to either have a high school diploma or pass an aptitude test.
00:07:44.000Black applicants were less likely to have a diploma.
00:07:47.000And they didn't do as well on the aptitude test.
00:07:50.000The Supreme Court ruled that Duke's job requirements were, quote, justified, were not justified by business necessity.
00:07:57.000And so they were illegally discriminatory.
00:08:00.000And thus the doctrine of disparate impact was born.
00:08:02.000So what he's saying there is the idea was this was a neutral test.
00:08:07.000This is just having a high school diploma or taking this aptitude test.
00:08:10.000No one could really, there was no one actually coming in and saying, oh, don't hire black people.
00:08:17.000But they were just less likely to do well as well on this test.
00:08:19.000And the court said, well, we don't think this test is close enough to what you need employees to do at this company.
00:08:26.000And because it doesn't have an equal outcome between these two groups, it's discriminatory.
00:08:32.000So it's what took our law from what most people think of when they think of discrimination, where you're deliberately discriminating against people.
00:08:39.000And they're saying anything you do, if it has an unequal outcome, can be labeled illegal, can be labeled illegal discrimination, can get you sued.
00:08:49.000And what that's turned into is essentially anything can be illegal because newsflash, Andrew, everything has unequal outcomes.
00:08:59.000No one, actually, I think we have this as well.
00:09:01.000Literally every standard imaginable has created, has some sort of disparate impact against a group.
00:09:08.000Nobody on this planet has ever designed a test or a standard that men, women, blacks, whites, Asians, Hispanics, Catholic, Jews, gays, straits do so equally well.
00:10:06.000They just selected candidates from the top scorers on the civil service exam.
00:10:09.000Far more officers made it to retirement or achieved high-rank performance than any other year.
00:10:16.000President Trump walked into a catch-22 when taking office.
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00:11:19.000Blake, we were talking about aptitude tests, good or bad.
00:11:56.000What's great about aptitude tests is anyone can walk in and do well on a test, whereas every other standard people propose those alternatives.
00:12:03.000They're always much more likely to favor people who have networks, who have other things they can take advantage of.
00:12:11.000Frankly, it's way better to be a person with money with an informal system than just a system where whoever scores best does best.
00:12:17.000I recommend everybody check out Thomas Soule's book, Discrimination and Disparities.
00:12:22.000It's one of Charlie's favorite books to quote.
00:12:24.000And in it, Soul challenges single factor explanations.
00:12:30.000And what that means is there is disparities in racial outcomes.
00:12:36.000Blacks and Hispanics tended not to do as well on certain aptitude tests.
00:13:06.000There are still, for example, the maybe unless they got rid of the State Department has long had a test to get in, for example.
00:13:13.000But when we say, I said disparate impact makes everything illegal, it literally does make everything illegal.
00:13:20.000And what that means is that you have government by vibes.
00:13:23.000So, for example, with disparate impact, a company, if they say, we're just going to give every job applicant an IQ test and hire the top scorers, they'll get, historically, they would get a very questionable look from the federal government.
00:13:40.000But if they say, you need this or that college diploma to be hired by us, it's very unlikely that they would be questioned, even if that diploma isn't super directly related to what they're hiring for.
00:13:52.000And both of those things have a disparate impact.
00:13:54.000You know, whites and Asians are more likely to have college diplomas than black Americans, for example.
00:13:58.000So why is one looked at negatively and the other isn't?
00:14:02.000It basically just comes down to how the bureaucrats feel.
00:14:18.000And so you get this vibes-based government.
00:14:21.000And then you also get, that's what also drives that HR ratchet that Charlie would talk so much about, which is you avoid getting the government after you by doing all these big, loud, expensive signals that you're not racist, that you're not sexist, because everyone's breaking the law because everything's illegal.
00:14:37.000So you just are trying to say, don't eat me, because they can't eat everyone.
00:14:41.000And this all loops around to why we're talking about this today, because one of the great things going on in this administration, something that's not talked about enough, is they have been waging war on this monstrosity.
00:14:53.000The reason we had those Charlie clips is President Trump did an executive order to roll back disparate impact last April.
00:15:00.000And just yesterday, we had a great announcement from the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division where they're going after the traditional disparate impact prioritization in their office.
00:15:13.000The quote they had from their division.
00:15:15.000The prior disparate impact regulations encourage people to file lawsuits challenging racially neutral policies without evidence of intentional discrimination.
00:15:25.000Our rejection of this theory will restore true equality under the law by requiring proof of actual discrimination rather than just enforcing race or sex-based quotas or assumptions.
00:15:36.000And the other thing that we had yesterday, because of this, the civil rights division, a bunch of employees of the DOJ's civil rights decision division have released an open letter denouncing the direction that the department has been headed in.
00:15:51.000And it turns out about 75% of lawyers, of career lawyers in the DOJ's civil rights division have left because they are outraged at the Direction the Trump administration is taking it.
00:16:25.000And we're going to give Harmeet Dylan her kudos and a warm congratulatory welcome onto this show because listen, you're losing 75 attorneys that are leaving the DOJ Civil Rights Division.
00:16:43.000More than 200 former employees criticize what they call an ongoing destruction of the civil rights division.
00:16:51.000This is bigger and more impactful than most people could possibly realize because, yeah, you know, Charlie said 30 years.
00:16:59.000This has been going on for 50 years in our federal government.
00:17:01.000When you see a sliding of standards, when you see an abandonment of meritocracy, when you see that, like, I think there's this prevailing fog over the country where it just feels like things don't matter anymore.
00:17:14.000It's like, oh, well, people just get away with crap and nobody gets held accountable.
00:17:18.000This is one of the root causes for that, where it's like Charlie used to say it was like, whose line is it anywhere?
00:17:23.000Where the points are made up and the rules don't matter.
00:17:24.000That's what modern society is starting to feel like.
00:17:28.000Part of the root cause of this is disparate impact.
00:17:32.000And by the way, the legal profession getting infected with DI and critical theory and all of these things, it floods out into the wider culture and the wider society, government bureaucracies, civil order.
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00:18:59.000Welcome to the show, Harmeet Dylan, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division.
00:19:19.000I told the audience, Harmeet, that we were going to give you a very warm welcome because you have done what I think even Doge was not able to do.
00:19:30.000And I'll let you describe it the way you want to because I know these things can be sensitive in the actual official halls of power.
00:19:39.000But you're cleaning house at the DOJ's Civil Rights Division.
00:19:52.000And so, yes, I'm in the news this week because there are hundreds of disgruntled former Civil Rights Division lawyers who voluntarily quit.
00:20:03.000After I told them that their job was going to be to protect the civil rights of all Americans, not just the chosen few and their pet projects that they had been pursuing for decades here in the Civil Rights Division.
00:20:15.000200 of them or so immediately quit and took a five-month payout, so over $100,000 worth of severance pay.
00:20:23.000And then over the last few months, another close to 100 have quit.
00:20:28.000And yet, you know, they're writing in the press, Reuters covered it, and they say that I'm trashing the DOJ.
00:20:47.000I'm really proud of the work that we're doing.
00:20:48.000And obviously, it seems obvious to me that the United States Department of Justice should be justice for all Americans, not just some Americans or some winners of a victimhood sweepstakes.
00:21:00.000And I think that actually is very popular with Americans.
00:21:03.000And we're continuing to do the core focus of our work.
00:21:06.000We're protecting people with disabilities.
00:21:09.000We're protecting the rights of students in schools, employees in the workplace, contractors, people who are discriminated against, hate crimes, anti-Semitism, actually all the same stuff that we did before we're doing it.
00:21:23.000But we're just doing it for everybody, not just for some.
00:21:26.000And we're going to keep doing it that way.
00:21:53.000So again, just to reiterate, about 75% of attorneys left the DOJ Civil Rights Division amid claims of a coordinated effort to drive them out.
00:22:46.000And so lawyers with at least 18 months experience who are interested in serving a tour of duty to help their country can apply at usajobs.gov and look for civil rights division.
00:22:58.000We are hiring as fast as we can qualified candidates who are willing to do the work I just articulated.
00:23:04.000Enforce all of our federal civil rights statutes with a lens of all Americans and this administration's priorities.
00:23:31.000Go to usajobs.gov and I'll have the team put it up on that lower banner there so everybody can write it down.
00:23:38.000You know, what's crazy about this, you know, when they started this stuff back in the 60s, right, Disparate Impact, which we're going to talk about next, you know, I get it.
00:23:51.000We're on track to, you know, I think the last census had whites at, what, 56, 57% of the population.
00:23:57.000You give that another 10 years, it's going to be probably under 50%, maybe right around 50%.
00:24:03.000I mean, that's what we're kind of like losing every 10 years at a 10-year clip.
00:24:06.000When I was born, I think we were around 80% white still.
00:24:09.000But as this happens, you're going to see, I don't know, some of this old way of thinking about how white equals bad, oppressive, majority, like it's got to necessarily, we've got to rethink the way this is happening.
00:24:23.000Because if you're just going to say that another one of the minorities in this country, like, I mean, it might be minority, majority, but like still, it's not the same dynamics as it was in the past.
00:24:32.000And we have to make sure everybody is getting protected.
00:24:49.000And they were then kept down by mainly southern, but not exclusively southern states.
00:24:55.000And so the Civil Rights Act of 1964 included a very important law that I have personally used for most of my career, Title VII, which protects people from discrimination in employment.
00:25:07.000And then in 1968, the Civil Rights Act added this provision that we're going to talk about, Title VI.
00:25:14.000And that deals with all the folks who have contracts with the government, government contractors, and anybody who does business with the government or receives money from the government, including all American universities, except for Hillsdale, pretty much, and all school districts and so forth.
00:25:28.000It's a pretty vast coverage of this statute.
00:25:34.000And so I don't want to bore people with too much legalese, but I think this is a really important law and important development.
00:25:40.000And the Supreme Court in 1971 issued a case called Duke Power versus Griggs.
00:25:46.000And this was about a janitor who allegedly was impacted negatively by some policies in hiring at Duke Power.
00:25:53.000And that started this concept of disparate impact.
00:25:56.000So in other words, you no longer necessarily had to prove in your discrimination case, whatever the context was, that you were actually being the victim of intentional discrimination.
00:26:07.000You could simply prove that there's a hiring process or a policy or there's certain tests that are required.
00:26:13.000And because I'm African American, we can't pass a test.
00:26:15.000We were going back and forth on that at the top of the show.
00:26:17.000And the line we were discussing, which I'm a big fan of, is disparate impact seems to just, it literally makes everything illegal because nothing is actually equal except, I guess, true random chance, right?
00:26:28.000It really shifts the burden away from the plaintiff and to the employer to defend themselves.
00:26:35.000And when you use statistics, as Mark Twain famously said about statistics, lies, and damn statistics, you can chop and slice and dice them and prove anything.
00:26:46.000And we have statisticians here in the civil rights division who, you can give them a premise, they'll be able to come up with some formula to prove it.
00:26:53.000That's not how we should be running our businesses or our world.
00:26:57.000And so as to Title VI, when the United States gives federal funds, whether it's in a contract basis or grants, we have now issued a guidance that says that this 50 years of discrimination against, frankly, law-abiding practices and businesses and recipients is over.
00:27:40.000If I have to bring a case against a school district or against a university, I have to use my evidence and prove the case, not just have a default assumption of discrimination, because that has hurt so many people in our country.
00:28:00.000It has put companies on the defensive.
00:28:02.000It has encouraged and now institutionalized quotas from every institution, including the boardrooms of America's largest corporations, because they're all government contractors.
00:28:15.000And if we can just reverse that back to an assumption that Americans are good, generally speaking, we follow the law.
00:28:21.000If something bad happened to you, prove it with intentional discrimination evidence.
00:28:25.000I think that is really a great development for all Americans.
00:28:28.000Politico's framing of this is hilarious.
00:28:31.000DOJ rolls back anti-discrimination rules.
00:28:34.000Trump officials say the requirement to consider racial impacts was itself a form of discrimination.
00:28:38.000It says the Justice Department on Tuesday moved to end long-standing civil rights policies that prohibit local governments and organizations that receive federal money from maintaining policies that disproportionately harm people of color.
00:28:50.000Repealing the government's 50-year-old disparate impact standard will make it harder to challenge potential bias in housing, criminal law, and employment.
00:28:57.000I mean, it's basically frames it as you're ripping away this sacred shroud from the protection for disadvantaged people, Harmeet.
00:31:29.000I just want to remind you, Charlie's last book, his most timeless book, Stop in the Name of God, Why Honoring the Sabbath Will Transform Your Life.
00:31:37.000Don't get anything out of this except for the satisfaction of knowing that the good people out there across this country, really across the world, I bet, are enjoying Charlie's book.
00:31:47.000It was a labor of absolute love for Charlie to do this book.
00:31:54.000Chapter 7, The Sabbath Improves Your Sleep.
00:35:02.000I mean, for those who are not aware, there are little rumors and rumblings behind the scenes that, you know, President Trump isn't on Twitter.
00:35:11.000Those rallies are kind of work as a poll test for him, kind of a focus group, if you will.
00:35:16.000He says certain things, pays attention, what gets the biggest applause lines, and then he kind of like dials in his messaging that way.
00:35:24.000So if you're just dealing with issues of state all the time and you're kind of confined into your White House bubble, you're going to miss some of those feedback loops.
00:35:31.000So how do you make sure that President Trump is hearing from the base, especially in the wake of Charlie being gone?
00:35:36.000Charlie was a great conduit for that kind of stuff.
00:35:39.000Well, this is proof that the message is getting through, that people are hearing, hey, affordability, affordability, affordability, domestic, domestic, domestic.
00:35:46.000So, this is a whole affordability tour in Pennsylvania.
00:35:50.000I like it because as soon as President Trump, during Thanksgiving, announced he was doing a third world immigration moratorium, things, you know, I made a prediction that this was going to be one of his most popular policy planks of all time.
00:36:55.000It really is the perfect thing because the left has boxed itself in ideologically where they're so radicalized on immigration, they can never admit that any group of immigrants is just not worth bringing into America.
00:37:09.000And this is, it's like the perfect specimen in terms of they cost a lot of money, so they're not contributing that much economically.
00:37:34.000I've also announced a permanent pause on third world migration, including from hellholes like Afghanistan, Haiti, Somalia, and many other countries.