The Charlie Kirk Show - Do We Have The Epstein Files Or Not?

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00:00:04.000 What should we think about the Jeffrey Epstein situation?

00:00:07.000 Liz Wheeler and Mike Davis join us for two a little bit different views.

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00:02:13.000 Joining us now is Liz Wheeler on Blaze TV, and she is the host of the Liz Wheeler show.

00:02:19.000 Liz, great to see you.

00:02:20.000 Liz, I wanted to have on the program because I believe you can articulate and channel some of the frustrations that the base and the audience is feeling right now.

00:02:29.000 What is your perspective, your take on the current Epstein situation?

00:02:34.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:02:35.000 Thanks for having me on the show.

00:02:37.000 Yeah, this has been an unforced error due to choices that Attorney General Pam Bondi has made.

00:02:44.000 And listen, let's go back to that day in February at the White House for a second.

00:02:48.000 I was among those who was invited to the White House that day and given those infamous white Epstein binders. 0.58

00:02:55.000 That's actually not why we were invited to the White House.

00:02:57.000 We were invited a really cool initiative from the White House.

00:03:00.000 They invited a bunch of new media personalities, conservative commentators, independent journalists.

00:03:04.000 And they told us, listen, we're not going to be rewarding the mainstream media who are just propagandists for the opposition who lie and smear and try to take down President Trump.

00:03:12.000 Instead, we're going to be giving access to you, independent truth seekers who are actually committed to reporting honestly.

00:03:19.000 And that's what we spent the day doing.

00:03:20.000 We spent the day meeting with high-level Trump administration officials with the president himself, the vice president, his cabinet secretaries.

00:03:27.000 And it was an incredible experience.

00:03:29.000 During that visit, we met with Attorney General Pam Bondi for about 15 minutes.

00:03:34.000 And as part of that visit, or as part of that meeting, she gave us those Epstein binders.

00:03:38.000 And of course, our first reaction, I mean, you look at that cover sheet and you think, wow, the most transparent administration in history.

00:03:44.000 That's what the cover sheet said.

00:03:45.000 Epstein files phase one.

00:03:48.000 We were all like, oh my goodness, what is this?

00:03:50.000 Well, the Attorney General made it very clear up front that, you know, this binder does not contain the juicy, dirty details that we might have expected.

00:03:58.000 She said, actually, when I got into office, I requested the Epstein files and this is what was put on my desk by the FBI.

00:04:04.000 And I thought, huh, that seems strange.

00:04:06.000 That doesn't seem like the complete Epstein files.

00:04:10.000 So she said she was going to release those documents anyway, even though there was nothing new in them, when a whistleblower called her and said, actually, the SDNY is hiding truckloads of documents from you, subverting the president, subverting the attorney general, subverting the American people.

00:04:26.000 And so she gave us at that time, at the White House in that meeting, she gave us the letter she had written to Cash Patel, the director of the FBI, demanding that those documents that the SDNY was allegedly hiding be delivered to her so that she could release them to the American people.

00:04:40.000 And so that, of course, I mean, everyone remembered that infamous day in February when those photos emerged of us carrying those binders.

00:04:46.000 And I think I was on your show shortly thereafter explaining, you know, there was a botched embargo that day where photos of us holding those binders leaked, but we had agreed with the White House that we wouldn't break the story of the SDNY hiding those documents until after President Trump had met with the UK prime minister.

00:05:03.000 But since those photos leaked, it ended up appearing bad optics.

00:05:07.000 Like we were gatekeeping and engaging in clickbait, and it was a really nasty situation from a PR standpoint.

00:05:13.000 But one of the things that I haven't talked about until this week, and the reason I haven't talked about it, I'll detail in a moment, is during that meeting with the Attorney General at the White House, she actually bragged about creating that cover sheet.

00:05:26.000 You can see the binder that's on the screen.

00:05:28.000 She said she made that.

00:05:29.000 She made that paper that said the most transparent administration in history. 0.98

00:05:32.000 And she was proud of this, Charlie.

00:05:34.000 She was proud of making that document.

00:05:36.000 So we fast forward to Sunday evening when the Department of Justice posts this memo that says, actually, there's no Epstein client list.

00:05:44.000 There's no blackmail operation.

00:05:45.000 Epstein definitively killed himself.

00:05:47.000 There's no homicide or foul play involved here.

00:05:50.000 And you're not getting any more of these documents.

00:05:52.000 And I think the collective feeling of many of President Trump's base is, what?

00:05:56.000 What are you talking about?

00:05:57.000 The Attorney General was on Fox News just a couple of months ago saying the client list is on my desk for review.

00:06:02.000 She then gave us this, this, not just the Epstein binder, but the letter to Cash Patel saying that there are more, there are more documents, truckloads of the really dirty, juicy stuff, photos and lists and all of this.

00:06:15.000 And it suddenly became very hard to square her behavior and her actions that day in the White House, the day she gave us those binders with this memo that she received from the American people.

00:06:25.000 And the reason that the American people are having such a visceral reaction to this, The reason that people are so angry is because we voted for justice when we voted for President Trump.

00:06:35.000 We voted for not just memory holing the abuse that was inflicted on us by the Joe Biden administration, by the deep state swamp creatures in the FBI who called parents domestic terrorists because we didn't want our kids learning about the transgender ideology in school.

00:06:52.000 You know, the FBI that arrested people because we dared to say, hey, something fishy happened during President Trump's 2020 presidential election, or we don't want the transgender ideology and critical race theory being indoctrinated.

00:07:05.000 Something was weird about the origin of COVID.

00:07:07.000 We were vilified and demonized and the government was weaponized against us and we voted for President Trump because he promised justice.

00:07:15.000 And this does not seem like justice.

00:07:18.000 What it feels like to the American people, it feels like we have this evidence, these anomalies when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein and what appears to be a government cover up.

00:07:29.000 We have this evidence before our eyes and then we're being told by government officials, some of whom we like, some of whom we trust, but nonetheless, we're being told by government officials that we should discount and ignore what we're seeing with our own eyes and instead believe them.

00:07:45.000 And they're telling us things that contradict the evidence that we've seen.

00:07:48.000 And people, people don't like that.

00:07:50.000 People don't want to be told by government officials, ignore what you're seeing and believe us, even though we're not providing you any evidence to substantiate our positions.

00:07:59.000 The simple fact of the matter is Pam Bondi said she had the client list on her desk and she promised to release it.

00:08:04.000 And then she didn't do it.

00:08:06.000 And that's problematic.

00:08:07.000 People don't like when politicians promise transparency and then don't deliver.

00:08:11.000 So the audience in the base is right on par with you.

00:08:17.000 They're following your tempo.

00:08:19.000 So then I have multiple questions.

00:08:21.000 Let me just ask you this one.

00:08:22.000 What could make this right in your estimation?

00:08:27.000 Yeah, that's a good question because a couple of things could make this right.

00:08:31.000 First of all, I think the American people voted for President Trump because we trust that he does deliver on his promises.

00:08:38.000 He's always delivered on his promises and we know he's going to keep doing that.

00:08:42.000 So we expect justice to be served and justice for COVID, the origin of COVID and the lies we were told about the COVID vaccines and the lockdowns.

00:08:52.000 We want justice for January 6th and the pipe bomber.

00:08:56.000 We want justice for the Russiagate lies that were inflicted upon President Trump and his supporters early on in the first Trump administration.

00:09:03.000 We want justice for the phony Ukraine impeachment.

00:09:06.000 We want, there's something that we often say on my show, on the Liz Wheeler show, we say we want perp walks and jumpsuits, not because we're vindictive, not because we want revenge, not because we want to target our political enemies, but because true justice means accountability for the people who committed crimes against us.

00:09:22.000 And in order to have accountability, there needs to be indictments.

00:09:25.000 There needs to be perp walks and jumpsuits.

00:09:28.000 So job number one to make this right is just show us that you're committed to delivering the justice that we voted for.

00:09:34.000 And to be honest, this should be somewhat easy because there were a lot of crimes that were committed against us.

00:09:38.000 And I know President Trump feels those crimes deeply because he was often standing between us and those who were trying to assault him because they're trying to assault us.

00:09:48.000 So that's thing number one.

00:09:49.000 Requiem.

00:09:49.000 No, no, no.

00:09:50.000 That's great.

00:09:51.000 I want you to finish that thought, but I have to interject.

00:09:53.000 Can you add some detail or just some contextualization?

00:09:59.000 Because some people that I, not a lot, not necessarily in our primary audience, because this actually transcends generational lines in our primary audience.

00:10:06.000 But I'd say in the non-political audience, some people say, no one really cares about Epstein.

00:10:12.000 Can you just contextualize how big of a internet deal this is, specifically for those under the age of 40?

00:10:21.000 Yeah, it is a big deal.

00:10:22.000 I've seen a narrative on X specifically, an allegation that it's only mega on X that cares about this.

00:10:30.000 It's not real world mega that cares about this.

00:10:32.000 And I believe that that's a misreading of President Trump's base here.

00:10:37.000 And the reason why, there's this story that I love.

00:10:39.000 Country singer John Rich once said that he was having dinner with President Trump and President Trump asked him, listen, why do people boo at my rallies when I talk about the COVID vaccine?

00:10:48.000 And then he listened while John Rich told him, because Mr. President, people have been hurt by the jab.

00:10:54.000 And this is another one of those moments.

00:10:56.000 The reason people care so deeply about Epstein and the Epstein files is not actually because they care about Epstein the creep or Epstein the man.

00:11:03.000 It's because they care about justice, because people have been hurt by the deep state.

00:11:08.000 And we view the Epstein files as foundational.

00:11:12.000 It's a litmus test.

00:11:13.000 It's a canary in the coal mine of whether we are actually going to get justice this time or whether it's going to be another lock her up, but then Hillary Clinton doesn't actually go to jail again. 1.00

00:11:24.000 And people feel this very, very deeply and not just online.

00:11:28.000 This is across generations, actually.

00:11:31.000 It's not just young people and it is certainly not just online.

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00:12:42.000 So, Liz, let me ask you, when you hear in response that a lot of trial attorneys looked into this Epstein thing and looked for people to sue and these big law firms basically came up with kaput and that there really is not a there there.

00:13:00.000 What is your response?

00:13:01.000 And then can you make this a more broader point?

00:13:04.000 Why do you think the base, and I think I know the answer is, but I want your answer, cares so much about this?

00:13:10.000 Is it just the detail, or is it about Intel services, the Intel community, and trust in government more broadly?

00:13:18.000 Yeah.

00:13:18.000 Well, let me start with the first question, and I'll tell you some of the things that my audience, who are pretty representative of the base, care about when they look at the Epstein case itself.

00:13:31.000 There are some anomalies in Epstein's brother, Jeffrey Epstein's brother, Mark, after Jeffrey Epstein's death, hired an outside forensic pathologist to examine the autopsy.

00:13:42.000 And Michael Badden was his name.

00:13:44.000 And he found that all of the signs, the physical signs on Jeffrey Epstein's body were not consistent with what we had been told by the Bureau of Prisons, what we had been told by the government.

00:13:55.000 In fact, Michael Badden found that the wounds on his body were more consistent with homicide, by strangulation than by suicide.

00:14:02.000 And this was not just an individual, independent pathologist who came to this conclusion.

00:14:07.000 We had a toxicologist on the Liz Wheeler show as well named Chris Martinson, who did a very detailed and thorough analysis of Epstein's bodies, of Epstein's body, the photos that were released and showed that the marks of the ligature on his neck were not consistent with the type of hanging that we were supposed to believe Epstein committed against himself, in addition to the broken hyoid bone and a lot of other physical anomalies.

00:14:32.000 And people want answers to that.

00:14:33.000 They don't want a government official to just say, actually, no, we think it's suicide.

00:14:38.000 I've seen a million suicides.

00:14:39.000 That's what it is.

00:14:40.000 We want answers to, okay, but are you going to address these anomalies from these subject matter experts?

00:14:44.000 That's just one example.

00:14:46.000 Another example would be ABC's Amy Roebuck.

00:14:50.000 This was a video that was released by Project Veritas a couple of years ago.

00:14:53.000 She was on set, but recorded off air, you know, the typical hot, hot set situation here.

00:14:59.000 And she was talking about how she had information that incriminated Prince Andrew and Epstein and Bill Clinton, but ABC wouldn't let her air this report, which she said was a very thorough report because they didn't want to anger the palace.

00:15:12.000 The palace had threatened them that they wouldn't have access to interview Will and Kate if ABC aired this investigation by Amy Roebach about Epstein and implicated Prince Andrew in it.

00:15:21.000 Why would the palace respond like that if this was total malarkey?

00:15:26.000 Why would they threaten access?

00:15:27.000 Why would they do what they've done to Prince Andrew if there was nothing there, if he wasn't a client of Jeffrey Epstein?

00:15:33.000 We don't want that to be dismissed.

00:15:34.000 We want that to be addressed.

00:15:36.000 I think a lot of us in the base are truth seekers.

00:15:40.000 We're open-minded.

00:15:40.000 It's not like we have a preconceived conclusion about everything regarding Jeffrey Epstein.

00:15:46.000 We simply don't have enough information to have a preconceived conclusion, but we're smart people and we see anomalies and we see that the evidence that's before our eyes doesn't add up to what the politicians are telling us.

00:15:58.000 And they're not providing evidence to substantiate their point of view or debunk the evidence that's before our eyes.

00:16:04.000 So those are just two examples among many that the base looks at and says, well, your memo didn't address any of these things that we see.

00:16:12.000 Regarding why this is so important, the second part of your question, why this is so important to the base, I'll go back to what I said before.

00:16:19.000 President Trump typically reads his base so well.

00:16:22.000 It's one of my favorite parts of President Trump is he's very confident and he knows what he thinks, but he's also willing to listen to why the base cares.

00:16:31.000 And there's an old phrase that says, once burned, twice shy.

00:16:35.000 And it's obviously self-evident that it means once you've been wronged, you are doubly skeptical of being wronged again.

00:16:42.000 And the mega base, those of us, again, who have been censored on social media, banned, vilified, unfairly, falsely called racist, targeted by the FBI, if we were traditional Catholics attending Latin Mass or pro-lifers exercising our First Amendment right outside of abortion clinics or going and peacefully protesting around the Capitol on January 6th, because we know what happened in the 2020 election or saying we don't want transgender ideology in our schools and we don't want critical race theory in our government because it's racist.

00:17:12.000 We have been targeted and vilified and we know that it happened because of this group of deep state swamp creatures embedded in the federal government, in these intel agencies.

00:17:25.000 Look at RussiaGate.

00:17:26.000 RussiaGate came from the bowels of the FBI.

00:17:29.000 We do not have trust in the FBI.

00:17:32.000 We do not have trust in the CIA.

00:17:34.000 We do not have trust.

00:17:35.000 Look at what President Trump was able to uncover through doging U.S. aid.

00:17:40.000 All of this corrupt, just disgusting use of our taxpayer money funding leftist causes.

00:17:46.000 So the reason that people are so viscerally stung by being dismissed over the Epstein files is because we don't feel that we're being told the truth.

00:17:55.000 And it's sort of the same, not to malign a fellow fighter in the conservative cause, but that's why people reacted so strongly to the Daily Wire drama a couple months ago, because for a second, they felt that they were not being told the truth.

00:18:08.000 They felt like the authenticity in that relationship had been tarnished.

00:18:12.000 And that's what they're feeling now.

00:18:14.000 President Trump can fix this easily.

00:18:16.000 How do you think, in your estimation, this can be made right?

00:18:19.000 Yeah, as I was saying, President Trump knows his base and respects his base.

00:18:23.000 I always say he's a pro-humanity president because even though he doesn't always, I mean, he's he's successful.

00:18:29.000 He's wealthy.

00:18:29.000 He's experienced so many aspects of life in business and in politics, yet he cares about the McDonald's employees and, you know, those driving garbage trucks, just like he displayed very genuinely during the campaign.

00:18:41.000 He cares about us.

00:18:43.000 And so he can fix this because it's an unforced error, right?

00:18:47.000 This was not something that had to happen.

00:18:49.000 Pam Bondi, the attorney general, didn't have to say she had the client list on her desk.

00:18:53.000 She didn't have to say that the binders were the most, the phase one of the most transparent administration in history.

00:18:59.000 She didn't have to give those to us.

00:19:00.000 She didn't have to release them.

00:19:01.000 She didn't have to make the claim about the SDNY before she looked at those documents.

00:19:06.000 Charlie, I asked her that day in the White House, have you seen the documents that this alleged whistleblower is telling you that the SDNY is hiding from you?

00:19:13.000 And she said, no, she hadn't seen them.

00:19:15.000 So she was making this announcement before verifying any of this, which was a red flag to me at the time.

00:19:21.000 But listen, I give the benefit of the doubt to people on my side.

00:19:24.000 I thought, okay, maybe she'll deliver.

00:19:26.000 Maybe she was getting a little out over her skis on this, but it's not hard to believe that the SDNY was stonewalling the president?

00:19:31.000 It's not hard to believe that the FBI would hide evidence or even destroy evidence.

00:19:36.000 And yet, it's hard to square that behavior, even after giving her the benefit of the doubt for three months.

00:19:42.000 When we see a document put on the DOJ website like that memo that just says definitively, no list, no blackmail, he killed himself, and you're not getting any other information.

00:19:52.000 She's a liability to the Trump administration. 0.95

00:19:54.000 It's costing him tremendous goodwill among his baits.

00:19:57.000 And I say this sorrowfully because there's a lot of things Pam Bonte's done that I like and that I agree with, but it's time to not allow her to have this be something that tarnishes President Trump's legacy in office.

00:20:08.000 It's time to move on from her.

00:20:09.000 Are you calling for her resignation?

00:20:11.000 Is that right?

00:20:12.000 Yes, I believe President Trump should give her the option to resign because she didn't tell the truth to the American people.

00:20:17.000 It's the right thing to do.

00:20:18.000 A lot of people in the audience feel that way.

00:20:20.000 Liz, and I know you were personally wrong.

00:20:22.000 I want everyone to understand this, that you were personally basically humiliated.

00:20:27.000 I mean, Jack Pesobic is in the same category.

00:20:29.000 And so I hope that that is internalized.

00:20:32.000 Liz, thanks so much.

00:20:34.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:20:34.000 I appreciate it.

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00:22:20.000 Joining us now is Mike Davis.

00:22:22.000 Mike, we have lost the discuss here, but first I want to try to address the issue that many people in our audience are emailing us about.

00:22:30.000 And a lot of people in the audience are quite upset.

00:22:33.000 They are angry.

00:22:35.000 I would say even livid.

00:22:36.000 And this situation has left me personally profoundly confused more than anything else because I know Cash very well.

00:22:45.000 I know Dan Bongino quite well.

00:22:47.000 I know Pam Bondi, and I think very highly of all of them.

00:22:50.000 But I'm left with more questions than answers.

00:22:52.000 I'm, of course, talking about the Epstein situation.

00:22:55.000 Mike, how should we think about this?

00:22:57.000 Because right now people are really fired up and to a certain extent, understandably so.

00:23:02.000 Yeah, and I get that.

00:23:04.000 What Jeffrey Epstein did was monstrous.

00:23:08.000 He abused children and he abused children systematically across many years.

00:23:16.000 And I'm glad this monster is rotting in hell.

00:23:20.000 And I don't say that lightly, right?

00:23:22.000 And so there is evidence that a lot of high power people, very powerful people went to his island, maybe Bill Clinton, maybe others.

00:23:34.000 And what Cash Patel and Dan Bongino and the Attorney General Pam Bondi inherited was a mess.

00:23:42.000 And they came out and they said that they're going to try to get to the bottom of this.

00:23:48.000 They're going to be as transparent as they can.

00:23:51.000 And I think they have.

00:23:54.000 I mean, let me just tell you what they've done.

00:23:56.000 The FBI, under Cash Mattel and Dan Bongino, has looked at this very carefully over the last many months.

00:24:05.000 They've looked at all of the evidence that the FBI has.

00:24:10.000 And what they've concluded is that they don't have the evidence to support the theories that were out there in the past.

00:24:19.000 There's just no evidence to support it.

00:24:21.000 And they've tried to investigate this.

00:24:22.000 And the problem is, is that the evidence that they have, they can't disclose because it's child pornography and they can't put that out there.

00:24:33.000 They legally cannot put that out there.

00:24:36.000 They morally and ethically cannot put that out there because there are victims.

00:24:40.000 There are child victims with these videos of this child pornography.

00:24:45.000 There are not videos of the faces of high power men raping children.

00:24:55.000 Those videos simply do not exist.

00:24:59.000 The videos are of child pornography, according to every report I have heard from inside the Justice Department, along with the news reports.

00:25:09.000 And so it is very frustrating.

00:25:11.000 It is very frustrating that we cannot bring charges against these powerful, monstrous men who rapes children.

00:25:20.000 The issue is they don't have the evidence.

00:25:23.000 So I don't want to spend too much time on this, but let me just ask one final question here.

00:25:28.000 People are, and I don't have an answer.

00:25:30.000 That's why I said I'm profoundly confused.

00:25:32.000 What then was Maxwell?

00:25:35.000 Why is she in jail if the underlying evidence is not able to be released?

00:25:42.000 I hear you.

00:25:42.000 She should be in prison.

00:25:44.000 And I think the problem is that she has kept her mouth shut.

00:25:51.000 She has not revealed who these men were who came in with Jeffrey Epstein and raped these young Girls, these kids, and so that's the issue.

00:26:04.000 Look, everyone knows that horrible things happened with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:26:08.000 Everyone knows this.

00:26:09.000 We know that powerful men were doing this.

00:26:11.000 The issue is they don't have the evidence to charge people right now.

00:26:15.000 So, Mike, now let's go to some of the more, let's just say, playing offense news.

00:26:19.000 Mike, yesterday, Cash Patel or the FBI announced ongoing probes for Mr. Brennan.

00:26:26.000 And who else?

00:26:27.000 What is the significance of this?

00:26:29.000 And will we finally see justice for what this gang of criminals did against our country?

00:26:33.000 Well, you know, Charlie, we've been talking about this on your show for many years, going back to the unprecedented, unlawful home raid on the office of former president Donald Trump to get back crossfire hurricane records.

00:26:48.000 And right?

00:26:49.000 And this is, we're finally opening the investigation to go after these bad actors who lied to the FISA courts.

00:26:57.000 They made up the Russian collusion hoax with the Steele dossier.

00:27:01.000 They lied to the FISA court.

00:27:03.000 They got illegal spy warrants, and they used this to take out President Trump, his presidential campaign in 2016.

00:27:13.000 This is an ongoing criminal conspiracy.

00:27:16.000 They continue to lie.

00:27:17.000 They continue to cover up.

00:27:19.000 And if this investigation goes where it should go, justice is definitely coming.

00:27:26.000 There is evidence that the most senior Obama administration officials participated in Crossfire Hurricane.

00:27:35.000 The biggest scandal in American history where the Obama White House, including President Obama himself, according to the evidence, politicized and weaponized law enforcement and intel agencies to go after then-candidate Donald Trump to take him out.

00:27:52.000 And my theory has been for years that they did this because Hillary Clinton got caught with her illegal home server, not only with our nation's most classified secrets as the Secretary of State, but of the Clinton Foundation pay-for-play foreign bribery schemes.

00:28:08.000 She's taken money into the Clinton Foundation to underwrite her lavish lifestyle for the Clintons. 1.00

00:28:15.000 And in return, they may have been doing official acts when she was the Secretary of State.

00:28:20.000 They made up the Russian collusion hoax because they were afraid this was going to come out before the 2016 election.

00:28:27.000 And they didn't think that Trump was going to win.

00:28:29.000 They thought they would run this Russian collusion hoax.

00:28:33.000 They could say that when her Clinton Foundation pay-for-play foreign bribery scheme came out, they could say it was a Russian disinformation campaign and you have to ignore it.

00:28:44.000 And the intel agencies and the FBI and the Justice Department and the Obama White House were in on this.

00:28:50.000 Look, this is, again, this is the biggest scandal in American history.

00:28:54.000 They politicized and weaponized law enforcement and intel agencies to take out a presidential candidate and a sitting president of the United States.

00:29:03.000 They did a home raid on him after President Trump left office because he declassified Crossfire Hurricane, and they did the home raid to go get those documents.

00:29:12.000 Justice is coming.

00:29:15.000 So, Mike, two questions.

00:29:17.000 Do the statute of limitations apply to a conspiracy charge, and how do we navigate the DC jury?

00:29:23.000 Yeah, it's an ongoing conspiracy.

00:29:25.000 And the statute of limitations doesn't start ticking until the last overt act.

00:29:32.000 People have to disavow the conspiracy.

00:29:34.000 Otherwise, it is an ongoing criminal conspiracy, and you can charge for this ongoing criminal conspiracy.

00:29:41.000 There may also be perjury involved that happened within the last five years.

00:29:48.000 Maybe Clapper perjured himself, maybe, just maybe.

00:29:51.000 And so this is very much, according to news reports, including according to foxnews.com, this is very much an active criminal probe, a criminal investigation.

00:30:03.000 And as I've said to these officials for years, you better lawyer up because justice is coming.

00:30:09.000 Yeah.

00:30:10.000 And so the DC jury, I mean, is there a way that we could get this in Virginia?

00:30:17.000 Is there a way that we can get this in another jurisdiction?

00:30:20.000 Well, remember that Mar-a-Lago is in the Southern District of Florida.

00:30:24.000 And that was one of the overt acts in the criminal conspiracy was when they raided Mar-a-Lago, the office of former president, to get back the crossfire hurricane records that President Trump declassified via executive order the day before he left office.

00:30:41.000 That was absolutely why they went into Mar-a-Lago.

00:30:44.000 They didn't care about so-called classified records or espionage.

00:30:48.000 The office of former president is allowed to have those.

00:30:51.000 That's why Congress gives them federal funding for security clearances and SCIFs and staff.

00:30:59.000 The president is allowed to see his presidential records under the Presidential Records Act, whether they're classified or not.

00:31:05.000 And a presidential record is any document created or received by the president or his White House staff to advise them.

00:31:12.000 And that's exactly what those crossfire hurricane records were.

00:31:16.000 They were declassified presidential records that President Trump was allowed to have under the Presidential Records Act.

00:31:22.000 And the Mar-a-Lago raid was to get back those records because Obama, Biden, Hillary, Clapper, Brennan, so many other, Comey, so many other officials have their fingerprints on this.

00:31:36.000 There is evidence.

00:31:37.000 We've pointed to this evidence where they green lit the crossfire hurricane investigation in the Oval Office several days before President Trump was going to take office.

00:31:50.000 This is, again, the biggest scandal in American history, and justice is coming.

00:31:56.000 And it's going to come eight years later, but justice is coming.

00:31:59.000 One minute remaining, Mike.

00:32:01.000 What other indictments and investigations do you want to start seeing from the FBI and the Department of Justice?

00:32:08.000 One minute remaining.

00:32:09.000 Well, I'd say this.

00:32:09.000 I think the Senate needs to start confirming these U.S. attorneys because you can't vote.

00:32:13.000 That's a big one.

00:32:14.000 You're right.

00:32:15.000 I learned that this weekend that we still have dozens of U.S. attorneys that are not filled in slots like Denver.

00:32:21.000 I mean, we still have Biden holdovers that we're trying to get rid of.

00:32:24.000 Mike, continue.

00:32:26.000 Yeah, Jason Redding Kuiñones is the U.S., the nominee for U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida.

00:32:33.000 He got out of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

00:32:35.000 He is sitting on the Senate floor.

00:32:38.000 I don't understand why they won't file closure and have two hours of debate and confirm Jason, Redding, and Kinone's immediately so we can get moving on this crossfire hurricane investigation.

00:32:50.000 I'm actually tweeting right now because you're right.

00:32:52.000 The U.S. Senate needs to work weekends and confirm all of Trump's U.S. attorneys.

00:32:57.000 This is ridiculous.

00:32:58.000 I've heard this from three or four people.

00:33:00.000 How many are there that the backlog do we know of?

00:33:04.000 There's a ton.

00:33:05.000 I don't think we've confirmed any U.S. attorneys.

00:33:08.000 And here's the problem.

00:33:10.000 Law resistance cannot resist long weekends.

00:33:13.000 And so if these Senate Democrats want to block these U.S. attorneys, make them work past 2 p.m.

00:33:19.000 on Thursday.

00:33:19.000 It's amazing how many people you can confirm by merely threatening to make...

00:33:25.000 You don't understand.

00:33:25.000 No, no, you don't understand.

00:33:26.000 No, no, no.

00:33:26.000 You don't understand.

00:33:27.000 Lindsey Graham needs to leave every Tuesday at 2 p.m. 1.00

00:33:30.000 He's the worst, by the way.

00:33:31.000 He's like the worst offender.

00:33:33.000 I've done all the research on this.

00:33:34.000 Lindsey Graham, every Thursday is like, I'm out.

00:33:37.000 And all of a sudden they're like, well, you know, Mr. Graham had to leave.

00:33:40.000 So we'll be back on two.

00:33:41.000 Just so you understand, the scope of work for the U.S. Senate is they start working Tuesday afternoon and they stop working Thursday afternoon.

00:33:51.000 It's literally two days.

00:33:53.000 That's the life of a U.S. Senator.

00:33:55.000 Mike Davis, thank you so much.

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00:34:53.000 We're getting some pretty fired up emails about the Epstein thing.

00:34:56.000 Look, I get it.

00:34:57.000 So I'm not going to push back on it.

00:34:59.000 But let me talk about something that Mike Davis mentioned, which we have not spent enough time on.

00:35:04.000 The Senate work calendar is a disgrace.

00:35:06.000 And I have intentionally, I intentionally did not hit this throughout the month of June because of the Big Beautiful Bill.

00:35:12.000 Okay, yeah, you got to pass the Big Beautiful Bill, but enough, okay?

00:35:15.000 This whole that we're going to arrive on Tuesday afternoon and we're going to leave on Thursday afternoon when Donald Trump still has hundreds of unconfirmed appointees.

00:35:25.000 Do you know Donald Trump still has hundreds of unconfirmed appointees?

00:35:28.000 Hundreds.

00:35:29.000 Ambassadorships, U.S. attorneys.

00:35:32.000 We have people that are very important mid-level positions at Department of Justice, at Department of Labor.

00:35:38.000 It is unacceptable to take a quarter of an entire presidential term to staff the president's picks.

00:35:44.000 And John Thune, we're looking at you.

00:35:46.000 John Thune, generally, I think you've been doing a good job.

00:35:48.000 But now enough.

00:35:49.000 Oh, you know, we have to get the big, beautiful bill.

00:35:51.000 Well, you passed it.

00:35:52.000 And these senators, we're going to start melting fold lines. 1.00

00:35:55.000 We expect a vote arama.

00:35:56.000 Do you know you can do concurrent nominations?

00:35:59.000 If we do not have every single one of Trump's nominees by Labor Day, we're going to have serious problems.

00:36:05.000 And by the way, Lindsey Graham, we're talking to you.

00:36:06.000 That's Lindsey Graham. 0.98

00:36:07.000 Why Andre Bauer, one of the guys that's running up against you in the primary in South Carolina, is coming to the Student Action Summit.

00:36:14.000 This is why we're behind Nate Morris in Kentucky.

00:36:17.000 We, at Turning Point Action, we are going to be at the vanguard.

00:36:20.000 We are going to be the tip of the spear for replacing bad Republican senators.

00:36:24.000 And Lindsey Graham is the worst defender of the Senate Workweek. 1.00

00:36:27.000 I don't know what he does for this time.

00:36:29.000 What is Lindsey Graham doing Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday? 1.00

00:36:32.000 Is he probably honestly, I think we know what he's doing.

00:36:35.000 He's planning for another war is what he's doing.

00:36:38.000 How do I try to get us for regime change?

00:36:40.000 Look, the audience is ticked off, and you should be.

00:36:42.000 President Donald Trump is working his tail off.

00:36:44.000 And by the way, we do not have U.S. attorneys in a lot of these places.

00:36:47.000 We have acting.

00:36:48.000 Do you notice if you ever watch Fox News, and I got a great relationship with Fox News, do you ever notice when you watch Fox News, do you look at the titles of their guests?

00:36:56.000 Acting U.S. Attorney, acting U.S. attorney, acting U.S. attorney, acting U.S. attorney.

00:37:01.000 Do you know what that means?

00:37:02.000 That means that the Senate has not lifted a finger to confirm them.

00:37:06.000 Acting ICE Director, acting U.S. Attorney, acting, acting, acting, acting, acting.

00:37:10.000 And at some point, we have to start to power through it.

00:37:13.000 The U.S. Senate, we need to really have a come-to-truth moment, a come-to-Jesus moment.

00:37:20.000 They have to do a Vodo-Rama.

00:37:21.000 Enough of this.

00:37:22.000 I'm only going to work two days.

00:37:23.000 One fourth of Trump's presidency is going to be taken from us.

00:37:27.000 I know great people that are still not U.S. ambassadors to very important countries, places where we need a representative.

00:37:34.000 And guess what?

00:37:35.000 You know what happens when we don't have a U.S. ambassador to these countries?

00:37:38.000 Some career Biden holdover is representing America in that country, in countries like Switzerland, in countries like Italy.

00:37:45.000 Now, finally, some of those are getting through.

00:37:47.000 Tillman Fratit is getting through.

00:37:48.000 Charlie Kushner is getting through.

00:37:50.000 But still, there's major countries without U.S. ambassadors.

00:37:53.000 Major countries.

00:37:54.000 And this is how the Uniparty operates.

00:37:56.000 I said this on Jesse Waters' program recently.

00:37:58.000 They operate by running out the clock.

00:38:01.000 And it's time for the U.S. Senate to get off their tail or else the grassroots is going to roar.

00:38:06.000 Oh, I wonder why the midterms were not as well as one of them.

00:38:09.000 Because you guys do not work nearly as hard as your constituents do.

00:38:14.000 They wanted us to feel sorry for them.

00:38:15.000 Well, we pulled an all-nighter for the Big Beautiful Bill.

00:38:18.000 Really?

00:38:19.000 You pulled an all-nighter?

00:38:20.000 I know three dozen moms in Peoria, Arizona that pulled an all-nighter. 1.00

00:38:25.000 Blake pulled an all-nighter to help prepare for our show.

00:38:28.000 I mean, you pulled an all-nighter.

00:38:30.000 If this was a pro sports team, if this was the Packers or the Bears or the Cubs or the Diamondbacks or the Cardinals or the Cowboys, there'd be no excuses.

00:38:39.000 We'd say, fire the coach.

00:38:40.000 Work all night.

00:38:42.000 We demand you make the playoffs.

00:38:43.000 But the U.S. Senate would say, it's okay.

00:38:44.000 You can work two days.

00:38:45.000 It's disgusting.

00:38:46.000 Get to work or feel the wrath.

00:38:48.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:38:49.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:38:52.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 09, 2025

Do We Have The Epstein Files Or Not?

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