Liz Wheeler and Mike Davis join me live from the Bitcoin studio to talk about the Epstein scandal and what should we do about it. We also talk about why we should not be rewarding the mainstream media who are just propagandists for the opposition who lie and smear and try to take down President Trump.
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00:02:20.000Liz, I wanted to have on the program because I believe you can articulate and channel some of the frustrations that the base and the audience is feeling right now.
00:02:29.000What is your perspective, your take on the current Epstein situation?
00:02:37.000Yeah, this has been an unforced error due to choices that Attorney General Pam Bondi has made.
00:02:44.000And listen, let's go back to that day in February at the White House for a second.
00:02:48.000I was among those who was invited to the White House that day and given those infamous white Epstein binders.
00:02:55.000That's actually not why we were invited to the White House.
00:02:57.000We were invited a really cool initiative from the White House.
00:03:00.000They invited a bunch of new media personalities, conservative commentators, independent journalists.
00:03:04.000And they told us, listen, we're not going to be rewarding the mainstream media who are just propagandists for the opposition who lie and smear and try to take down President Trump.
00:03:12.000Instead, we're going to be giving access to you, independent truth seekers who are actually committed to reporting honestly.
00:03:19.000And that's what we spent the day doing.
00:03:20.000We spent the day meeting with high-level Trump administration officials with the president himself, the vice president, his cabinet secretaries.
00:03:29.000During that visit, we met with Attorney General Pam Bondi for about 15 minutes.
00:03:34.000And as part of that visit, or as part of that meeting, she gave us those Epstein binders.
00:03:38.000And of course, our first reaction, I mean, you look at that cover sheet and you think, wow, the most transparent administration in history.
00:03:48.000We were all like, oh my goodness, what is this?
00:03:50.000Well, the Attorney General made it very clear up front that, you know, this binder does not contain the juicy, dirty details that we might have expected.
00:03:58.000She said, actually, when I got into office, I requested the Epstein files and this is what was put on my desk by the FBI.
00:04:04.000And I thought, huh, that seems strange.
00:04:06.000That doesn't seem like the complete Epstein files.
00:04:10.000So she said she was going to release those documents anyway, even though there was nothing new in them, when a whistleblower called her and said, actually, the SDNY is hiding truckloads of documents from you, subverting the president, subverting the attorney general, subverting the American people.
00:04:26.000And so she gave us at that time, at the White House in that meeting, she gave us the letter she had written to Cash Patel, the director of the FBI, demanding that those documents that the SDNY was allegedly hiding be delivered to her so that she could release them to the American people.
00:04:40.000And so that, of course, I mean, everyone remembered that infamous day in February when those photos emerged of us carrying those binders.
00:04:46.000And I think I was on your show shortly thereafter explaining, you know, there was a botched embargo that day where photos of us holding those binders leaked, but we had agreed with the White House that we wouldn't break the story of the SDNY hiding those documents until after President Trump had met with the UK prime minister.
00:05:03.000But since those photos leaked, it ended up appearing bad optics.
00:05:07.000Like we were gatekeeping and engaging in clickbait, and it was a really nasty situation from a PR standpoint.
00:05:13.000But one of the things that I haven't talked about until this week, and the reason I haven't talked about it, I'll detail in a moment, is during that meeting with the Attorney General at the White House, she actually bragged about creating that cover sheet.
00:05:26.000You can see the binder that's on the screen.
00:05:57.000The Attorney General was on Fox News just a couple of months ago saying the client list is on my desk for review.
00:06:02.000She then gave us this, this, not just the Epstein binder, but the letter to Cash Patel saying that there are more, there are more documents, truckloads of the really dirty, juicy stuff, photos and lists and all of this.
00:06:15.000And it suddenly became very hard to square her behavior and her actions that day in the White House, the day she gave us those binders with this memo that she received from the American people.
00:06:25.000And the reason that the American people are having such a visceral reaction to this, The reason that people are so angry is because we voted for justice when we voted for President Trump.
00:06:35.000We voted for not just memory holing the abuse that was inflicted on us by the Joe Biden administration, by the deep state swamp creatures in the FBI who called parents domestic terrorists because we didn't want our kids learning about the transgender ideology in school.
00:06:52.000You know, the FBI that arrested people because we dared to say, hey, something fishy happened during President Trump's 2020 presidential election, or we don't want the transgender ideology and critical race theory being indoctrinated.
00:07:05.000Something was weird about the origin of COVID.
00:07:07.000We were vilified and demonized and the government was weaponized against us and we voted for President Trump because he promised justice.
00:07:18.000What it feels like to the American people, it feels like we have this evidence, these anomalies when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein and what appears to be a government cover up.
00:07:29.000We have this evidence before our eyes and then we're being told by government officials, some of whom we like, some of whom we trust, but nonetheless, we're being told by government officials that we should discount and ignore what we're seeing with our own eyes and instead believe them.
00:07:45.000And they're telling us things that contradict the evidence that we've seen.
00:07:50.000People don't want to be told by government officials, ignore what you're seeing and believe us, even though we're not providing you any evidence to substantiate our positions.
00:07:59.000The simple fact of the matter is Pam Bondi said she had the client list on her desk and she promised to release it.
00:08:22.000What could make this right in your estimation?
00:08:27.000Yeah, that's a good question because a couple of things could make this right.
00:08:31.000First of all, I think the American people voted for President Trump because we trust that he does deliver on his promises.
00:08:38.000He's always delivered on his promises and we know he's going to keep doing that.
00:08:42.000So we expect justice to be served and justice for COVID, the origin of COVID and the lies we were told about the COVID vaccines and the lockdowns.
00:08:52.000We want justice for January 6th and the pipe bomber.
00:08:56.000We want justice for the Russiagate lies that were inflicted upon President Trump and his supporters early on in the first Trump administration.
00:09:03.000We want justice for the phony Ukraine impeachment.
00:09:06.000We want, there's something that we often say on my show, on the Liz Wheeler show, we say we want perp walks and jumpsuits, not because we're vindictive, not because we want revenge, not because we want to target our political enemies, but because true justice means accountability for the people who committed crimes against us.
00:09:22.000And in order to have accountability, there needs to be indictments.
00:09:25.000There needs to be perp walks and jumpsuits.
00:09:28.000So job number one to make this right is just show us that you're committed to delivering the justice that we voted for.
00:09:34.000And to be honest, this should be somewhat easy because there were a lot of crimes that were committed against us.
00:09:38.000And I know President Trump feels those crimes deeply because he was often standing between us and those who were trying to assault him because they're trying to assault us.
00:09:51.000I want you to finish that thought, but I have to interject.
00:09:53.000Can you add some detail or just some contextualization?
00:09:59.000Because some people that I, not a lot, not necessarily in our primary audience, because this actually transcends generational lines in our primary audience.
00:10:06.000But I'd say in the non-political audience, some people say, no one really cares about Epstein.
00:10:12.000Can you just contextualize how big of a internet deal this is, specifically for those under the age of 40?
00:10:22.000I've seen a narrative on X specifically, an allegation that it's only mega on X that cares about this.
00:10:30.000It's not real world mega that cares about this.
00:10:32.000And I believe that that's a misreading of President Trump's base here.
00:10:37.000And the reason why, there's this story that I love.
00:10:39.000Country singer John Rich once said that he was having dinner with President Trump and President Trump asked him, listen, why do people boo at my rallies when I talk about the COVID vaccine?
00:10:48.000And then he listened while John Rich told him, because Mr. President, people have been hurt by the jab.
00:10:54.000And this is another one of those moments.
00:10:56.000The reason people care so deeply about Epstein and the Epstein files is not actually because they care about Epstein the creep or Epstein the man.
00:11:03.000It's because they care about justice, because people have been hurt by the deep state.
00:11:08.000And we view the Epstein files as foundational.
00:11:13.000It's a canary in the coal mine of whether we are actually going to get justice this time or whether it's going to be another lock her up, but then Hillary Clinton doesn't actually go to jail again.
00:11:24.000And people feel this very, very deeply and not just online.
00:11:31.000It's not just young people and it is certainly not just online.
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00:12:42.000So, Liz, let me ask you, when you hear in response that a lot of trial attorneys looked into this Epstein thing and looked for people to sue and these big law firms basically came up with kaput and that there really is not a there there.
00:13:18.000Well, let me start with the first question, and I'll tell you some of the things that my audience, who are pretty representative of the base, care about when they look at the Epstein case itself.
00:13:31.000There are some anomalies in Epstein's brother, Jeffrey Epstein's brother, Mark, after Jeffrey Epstein's death, hired an outside forensic pathologist to examine the autopsy.
00:13:44.000And he found that all of the signs, the physical signs on Jeffrey Epstein's body were not consistent with what we had been told by the Bureau of Prisons, what we had been told by the government.
00:13:55.000In fact, Michael Badden found that the wounds on his body were more consistent with homicide, by strangulation than by suicide.
00:14:02.000And this was not just an individual, independent pathologist who came to this conclusion.
00:14:07.000We had a toxicologist on the Liz Wheeler show as well named Chris Martinson, who did a very detailed and thorough analysis of Epstein's bodies, of Epstein's body, the photos that were released and showed that the marks of the ligature on his neck were not consistent with the type of hanging that we were supposed to believe Epstein committed against himself, in addition to the broken hyoid bone and a lot of other physical anomalies.
00:14:46.000Another example would be ABC's Amy Roebuck.
00:14:50.000This was a video that was released by Project Veritas a couple of years ago.
00:14:53.000She was on set, but recorded off air, you know, the typical hot, hot set situation here.
00:14:59.000And she was talking about how she had information that incriminated Prince Andrew and Epstein and Bill Clinton, but ABC wouldn't let her air this report, which she said was a very thorough report because they didn't want to anger the palace.
00:15:12.000The palace had threatened them that they wouldn't have access to interview Will and Kate if ABC aired this investigation by Amy Roebach about Epstein and implicated Prince Andrew in it.
00:15:21.000Why would the palace respond like that if this was total malarkey?
00:15:40.000It's not like we have a preconceived conclusion about everything regarding Jeffrey Epstein.
00:15:46.000We simply don't have enough information to have a preconceived conclusion, but we're smart people and we see anomalies and we see that the evidence that's before our eyes doesn't add up to what the politicians are telling us.
00:15:58.000And they're not providing evidence to substantiate their point of view or debunk the evidence that's before our eyes.
00:16:04.000So those are just two examples among many that the base looks at and says, well, your memo didn't address any of these things that we see.
00:16:12.000Regarding why this is so important, the second part of your question, why this is so important to the base, I'll go back to what I said before.
00:16:19.000President Trump typically reads his base so well.
00:16:22.000It's one of my favorite parts of President Trump is he's very confident and he knows what he thinks, but he's also willing to listen to why the base cares.
00:16:31.000And there's an old phrase that says, once burned, twice shy.
00:16:35.000And it's obviously self-evident that it means once you've been wronged, you are doubly skeptical of being wronged again.
00:16:42.000And the mega base, those of us, again, who have been censored on social media, banned, vilified, unfairly, falsely called racist, targeted by the FBI, if we were traditional Catholics attending Latin Mass or pro-lifers exercising our First Amendment right outside of abortion clinics or going and peacefully protesting around the Capitol on January 6th, because we know what happened in the 2020 election or saying we don't want transgender ideology in our schools and we don't want critical race theory in our government because it's racist.
00:17:12.000We have been targeted and vilified and we know that it happened because of this group of deep state swamp creatures embedded in the federal government, in these intel agencies.
00:17:35.000Look at what President Trump was able to uncover through doging U.S. aid.
00:17:40.000All of this corrupt, just disgusting use of our taxpayer money funding leftist causes.
00:17:46.000So the reason that people are so viscerally stung by being dismissed over the Epstein files is because we don't feel that we're being told the truth.
00:17:55.000And it's sort of the same, not to malign a fellow fighter in the conservative cause, but that's why people reacted so strongly to the Daily Wire drama a couple months ago, because for a second, they felt that they were not being told the truth.
00:18:08.000They felt like the authenticity in that relationship had been tarnished.
00:18:29.000He's experienced so many aspects of life in business and in politics, yet he cares about the McDonald's employees and, you know, those driving garbage trucks, just like he displayed very genuinely during the campaign.
00:19:01.000She didn't have to make the claim about the SDNY before she looked at those documents.
00:19:06.000Charlie, I asked her that day in the White House, have you seen the documents that this alleged whistleblower is telling you that the SDNY is hiding from you?
00:19:13.000And she said, no, she hadn't seen them.
00:19:15.000So she was making this announcement before verifying any of this, which was a red flag to me at the time.
00:19:21.000But listen, I give the benefit of the doubt to people on my side.
00:19:26.000Maybe she was getting a little out over her skis on this, but it's not hard to believe that the SDNY was stonewalling the president?
00:19:31.000It's not hard to believe that the FBI would hide evidence or even destroy evidence.
00:19:36.000And yet, it's hard to square that behavior, even after giving her the benefit of the doubt for three months.
00:19:42.000When we see a document put on the DOJ website like that memo that just says definitively, no list, no blackmail, he killed himself, and you're not getting any other information.
00:19:52.000She's a liability to the Trump administration.
00:19:54.000It's costing him tremendous goodwill among his baits.
00:19:57.000And I say this sorrowfully because there's a lot of things Pam Bonte's done that I like and that I agree with, but it's time to not allow her to have this be something that tarnishes President Trump's legacy in office.
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00:23:54.000I mean, let me just tell you what they've done.
00:23:56.000The FBI, under Cash Mattel and Dan Bongino, has looked at this very carefully over the last many months.
00:24:05.000They've looked at all of the evidence that the FBI has.
00:24:10.000And what they've concluded is that they don't have the evidence to support the theories that were out there in the past.
00:24:19.000There's just no evidence to support it.
00:24:21.000And they've tried to investigate this.
00:24:22.000And the problem is, is that the evidence that they have, they can't disclose because it's child pornography and they can't put that out there.
00:24:33.000They legally cannot put that out there.
00:24:36.000They morally and ethically cannot put that out there because there are victims.
00:24:40.000There are child victims with these videos of this child pornography.
00:24:45.000There are not videos of the faces of high power men raping children.
00:24:59.000The videos are of child pornography, according to every report I have heard from inside the Justice Department, along with the news reports.
00:26:29.000And will we finally see justice for what this gang of criminals did against our country?
00:26:33.000Well, you know, Charlie, we've been talking about this on your show for many years, going back to the unprecedented, unlawful home raid on the office of former president Donald Trump to get back crossfire hurricane records.
00:27:19.000And if this investigation goes where it should go, justice is definitely coming.
00:27:26.000There is evidence that the most senior Obama administration officials participated in Crossfire Hurricane.
00:27:35.000The biggest scandal in American history where the Obama White House, including President Obama himself, according to the evidence, politicized and weaponized law enforcement and intel agencies to go after then-candidate Donald Trump to take him out.
00:27:52.000And my theory has been for years that they did this because Hillary Clinton got caught with her illegal home server, not only with our nation's most classified secrets as the Secretary of State, but of the Clinton Foundation pay-for-play foreign bribery schemes.
00:28:08.000She's taken money into the Clinton Foundation to underwrite her lavish lifestyle for the Clintons.
00:28:15.000And in return, they may have been doing official acts when she was the Secretary of State.
00:28:20.000They made up the Russian collusion hoax because they were afraid this was going to come out before the 2016 election.
00:28:27.000And they didn't think that Trump was going to win.
00:28:29.000They thought they would run this Russian collusion hoax.
00:28:33.000They could say that when her Clinton Foundation pay-for-play foreign bribery scheme came out, they could say it was a Russian disinformation campaign and you have to ignore it.
00:28:44.000And the intel agencies and the FBI and the Justice Department and the Obama White House were in on this.
00:28:50.000Look, this is, again, this is the biggest scandal in American history.
00:28:54.000They politicized and weaponized law enforcement and intel agencies to take out a presidential candidate and a sitting president of the United States.
00:29:03.000They did a home raid on him after President Trump left office because he declassified Crossfire Hurricane, and they did the home raid to go get those documents.
00:29:25.000And the statute of limitations doesn't start ticking until the last overt act.
00:29:32.000People have to disavow the conspiracy.
00:29:34.000Otherwise, it is an ongoing criminal conspiracy, and you can charge for this ongoing criminal conspiracy.
00:29:41.000There may also be perjury involved that happened within the last five years.
00:29:48.000Maybe Clapper perjured himself, maybe, just maybe.
00:29:51.000And so this is very much, according to news reports, including according to foxnews.com, this is very much an active criminal probe, a criminal investigation.
00:30:03.000And as I've said to these officials for years, you better lawyer up because justice is coming.
00:30:10.000And so the DC jury, I mean, is there a way that we could get this in Virginia?
00:30:17.000Is there a way that we can get this in another jurisdiction?
00:30:20.000Well, remember that Mar-a-Lago is in the Southern District of Florida.
00:30:24.000And that was one of the overt acts in the criminal conspiracy was when they raided Mar-a-Lago, the office of former president, to get back the crossfire hurricane records that President Trump declassified via executive order the day before he left office.
00:30:41.000That was absolutely why they went into Mar-a-Lago.
00:30:44.000They didn't care about so-called classified records or espionage.
00:30:48.000The office of former president is allowed to have those.
00:30:51.000That's why Congress gives them federal funding for security clearances and SCIFs and staff.
00:30:59.000The president is allowed to see his presidential records under the Presidential Records Act, whether they're classified or not.
00:31:05.000And a presidential record is any document created or received by the president or his White House staff to advise them.
00:31:12.000And that's exactly what those crossfire hurricane records were.
00:31:16.000They were declassified presidential records that President Trump was allowed to have under the Presidential Records Act.
00:31:22.000And the Mar-a-Lago raid was to get back those records because Obama, Biden, Hillary, Clapper, Brennan, so many other, Comey, so many other officials have their fingerprints on this.
00:31:37.000We've pointed to this evidence where they green lit the crossfire hurricane investigation in the Oval Office several days before President Trump was going to take office.
00:31:50.000This is, again, the biggest scandal in American history, and justice is coming.
00:31:56.000And it's going to come eight years later, but justice is coming.
00:32:38.000I don't understand why they won't file closure and have two hours of debate and confirm Jason, Redding, and Kinone's immediately so we can get moving on this crossfire hurricane investigation.
00:32:50.000I'm actually tweeting right now because you're right.
00:32:52.000The U.S. Senate needs to work weekends and confirm all of Trump's U.S. attorneys.
00:33:41.000Just so you understand, the scope of work for the U.S. Senate is they start working Tuesday afternoon and they stop working Thursday afternoon.
00:34:59.000But let me talk about something that Mike Davis mentioned, which we have not spent enough time on.
00:35:04.000The Senate work calendar is a disgrace.
00:35:06.000And I have intentionally, I intentionally did not hit this throughout the month of June because of the Big Beautiful Bill.
00:35:12.000Okay, yeah, you got to pass the Big Beautiful Bill, but enough, okay?
00:35:15.000This whole that we're going to arrive on Tuesday afternoon and we're going to leave on Thursday afternoon when Donald Trump still has hundreds of unconfirmed appointees.
00:35:25.000Do you know Donald Trump still has hundreds of unconfirmed appointees?
00:36:48.000Do you notice if you ever watch Fox News, and I got a great relationship with Fox News, do you ever notice when you watch Fox News, do you look at the titles of their guests?
00:36:56.000Acting U.S. Attorney, acting U.S. attorney, acting U.S. attorney, acting U.S. attorney.
00:38:30.000If this was a pro sports team, if this was the Packers or the Bears or the Cubs or the Diamondbacks or the Cardinals or the Cowboys, there'd be no excuses.