The Charlie Kirk Show - Do We Really Need to Argue Against Polygamy? (Yes)

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

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00:00:17.000 It's called the CapX Boom and we talk about the positive news that's happening here in America.

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00:01:37.000 There's record amount of money being invested in the country right now.

00:01:41.000 You didn't hear that in the mainstream media.

00:01:43.000 You didn't hear that on your local newspaper.

00:01:46.000 But do you know that capital expenditures or capex, it's a very important data point on how much companies are investing in America?

00:01:55.000 Joining us now is Joe Lavorgna, counselor to the U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Besson.

00:02:00.000 Joe, great to see you.

00:02:02.000 Thank you so much for sharing your time.

00:02:03.000 Tell us about the successes that we are seeing with capital expenditures in this country right now.

00:02:09.000 Yeah, you led with a nice lead in, and that is if you look at the capital expenditures, essentially what businesses are spending to run their businesses more efficiently, to run it better.

00:02:21.000 Those capital expenditures in the official government data rose at a 24% annualized rate in the first quarter.

00:02:28.000 That's obviously a huge number.

00:02:30.000 And then we have figures from the Federal Reserve that suggest that in the second quarter, those same government numbers, when they become official next week, should show another 11% increase.

00:02:42.000 That would bring first half capital expenditures, capital outlays, capex, as it's known, to a 17% annualized rate.

00:02:52.000 That would be the fastest two-quarter gain, excluding the pandemic, since late 1997, which you think about, it's almost 30 years ago.

00:03:03.000 We had gains of this magnitude.

00:03:05.000 And that, of course, Charlie, was before the One Big Beautiful Bill was signed.

00:03:09.000 So it's a really remarkable story that people aren't aware of.

00:03:13.000 They are not.

00:03:14.000 Let's play cut 332 here. 0.64

00:03:16.000 I had our team get this.

00:03:18.000 It's the Palantir CEO, Sankar, praising President Trump's leadership in AI innovation, which is directly tied to capital expenditures.

00:03:27.000 So if we want to win the AI race, we actually want people to invest capital in this country, not otherwise.

00:03:33.000 Play cut 332, please.

00:03:35.000 Well, you could say our adversary, China, they're kind of the best at long-range planning. 0.99

00:03:39.000 They have systematically worked over 40 years to invest against our weaknesses.

00:03:43.000 But you know, the one thing they could not see coming is the AI revolution, because even we could not see it coming.

00:03:48.000 The AI revolution is an American phenomenon.

00:03:52.000 It is something we are leading in, as the president said.

00:03:54.000 We can't take that for granted.

00:03:55.000 We have to keep up the pace as the president's doing and as our industry is doing.

00:04:00.000 But the real opportunity is that AI allows us to give the American workers superpowers.

00:04:05.000 It allows us to compete in a completely asymmetric way.

00:04:08.000 We shouldn't forget at the dawn of World War II, we had the 17th largest army.

00:04:13.000 We were the underdog by a long shot.

00:04:16.000 And I think American greatness always starts when we're the underdog.

00:04:19.000 When we were the rebels against the Redcoats, when we were starting to build factories in World War II, we're back there again. 0.94

00:04:25.000 I would agree with the president that we are the leader in AI.

00:04:27.000 We're not catching up.

00:04:28.000 We're leading.

00:04:29.000 So this AI renaissance is very important.

00:04:32.000 I know you guys are monitoring this at the Treasury Department.

00:04:35.000 What does that also mean for blue-collar jobs investment?

00:04:39.000 And can you talk about how capital expenditures actually is a direct investment in the working class?

00:04:46.000 Because when companies invest, workers then have higher wages and more work, please.

00:04:51.000 So, Charlie, if you look so far at the first six months of President Trump's term, blue-collar workers, these are people who are not the professional managerial class.

00:04:51.000 Right.

00:05:02.000 They're oftentimes, unfortunately, living paycheck to paycheck.

00:05:05.000 Their real wages, their inflation-adjusted pay, is up 1.2%.

00:05:11.000 The only time it's been faster to start a new administration was Trump.

00:05:15.000 1.0 to 1.3%.

00:05:17.000 They're virtually the same.

00:05:18.000 Unfortunately, through the bulk of time and data go back to the 1960s, people saw real wage declines, not even increases, but declines.

00:05:26.000 So already the blue-collar boom has occurred.

00:05:29.000 To the extent we get more capital investment, in other words, companies being able to invest in tools, machinery, to allow them to produce more, that means higher productivity, higher profits.

00:05:41.000 By definition, it means higher wages.

00:05:43.000 And we know from technology and AI certainly now is at the forefront of technological innovation that when we have these technological booms, they're disinflationary.

00:05:54.000 So that will also tend to lift real wages.

00:05:57.000 But also, the middle class tends to benefit quite significantly.

00:06:01.000 We had a little bit of that under Trump 1.0 in his first term when you saw significant increases in median household income and the middle to lower income wage earners did the best.

00:06:12.000 So essentially what the president's doing is he's taking the policies that worked well in his first administration and he is accelerating and improving upon them in the second term because there's other parts of the bill, not just the full expense of capex, but also, Charlie, the full expensing of structures.

00:06:30.000 So now you could deduct the building of a plant or a factory.

00:06:34.000 That is incredibly novel.

00:06:35.000 It's innovative.

00:06:37.000 It will help on the AI race.

00:06:38.000 It'll help on building digital assets because you need data centers.

00:06:42.000 So all these things are working together and you need people to build it.

00:06:46.000 That's going to directly benefit the U.S. worker. 0.98

00:06:49.000 Let's play Cut 380. 0.93

00:06:51.000 Again, this is major blue-collar bottom-up investment.

00:06:55.000 Play Cut 380, please.

00:06:57.000 The CapEx comeback in full swing.

00:06:59.000 Business investment is surging at the fastest pace since 1997.

00:07:03.000 Equipment production jumping 17% year over year, powered by retroactive incentives in the president's newly signed Big Beautiful Bill.

00:07:12.000 The administration hoping to boost productivity, lift blue-collar wages, and lay the groundwork for longer-term economic growth.

00:07:19.000 So what other components on the Capital X side makes America have a competitive advantage?

00:07:28.000 So can you just walk our audience through how some of these companies, they need to pick what country they're going to have capital expenditures in?

00:07:37.000 And why is it now that America is winning that contest, please?

00:07:41.000 So number one, Charlie, if we start with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, you've got a significant cut in the corporate tax rate.

00:07:48.000 Corporate tax rates is one of the lowest in the world.

00:07:51.000 We'd love to see it lower, but it's one of the lowest in the world.

00:07:54.000 So you've got that.

00:07:55.000 That now is permanent.

00:07:56.000 You've got pro-business regulation, the president trying to shorten the time with which it takes to build something because the permitting process has gotten out of control.

00:08:05.000 You want to do AI?

00:08:06.000 You want to be the crypto country of the world, the dominant driver?

00:08:11.000 Well, you need data centers.

00:08:12.000 How do you have data centers?

00:08:13.000 Well, you need data centers.

00:08:14.000 You got to power them.

00:08:15.000 You got to power that with energy.

00:08:16.000 You need cheap and abundant energy.

00:08:17.000 The U.S. has that.

00:08:19.000 So you've got a very friendly business environment.

00:08:22.000 You've got low corporate tax rates.

00:08:24.000 You've got cheap and abundant energy.

00:08:26.000 You're getting tax credits to be here if you're building a plant or you're investing in CapEx.

00:08:34.000 I mean, it's across the board where you want to bring your money here.

00:08:39.000 And the tariff, in addition, is an added incentive to do it.

00:08:42.000 So this is why you're seeing the president announce all these countries wanting to invest directly in the U.S., why Secretary Besson's been working so hard to get these trade deals through.

00:08:53.000 We're now reaping the early stage of these benefits, which should be multi-generational as they take hold.

00:09:00.000 And so let me just kind of have one final question here, Joe, which is how much of this is current and is also a lagging indicator?

00:09:10.000 When do you think we'll start to really see the culmination of CapEx?

00:09:15.000 Because some of this, in my opinion, takes six, nine, 12, 18 months to materialize into macroeconomic data.

00:09:23.000 When do you think we're going to really start to see all of this take hold where people start to feel the benefits of this capital expenditure bonanza that's happening in a good way?

00:09:37.000 So the big gain in Q1 that looks like it continued in Q Charlie was due to the fact that we have retroactivity to the tax cut.

00:09:44.000 So it's already starting.

00:09:46.000 That's number one.

00:09:46.000 Number two, because President Trump has been able to get the inflation rate down, we're seeing the real wages increase.

00:09:53.000 So it's here.

00:09:54.000 It's in the very, very early innings.

00:09:58.000 And because AI now is so abundant and we know how to use the technology, so that shortened the time period from which you actually could get the benefit.

00:10:07.000 So we're not talking like 12, 18 months.

00:10:09.000 We're going to continue to see the benefits as you get more capex.

00:10:12.000 We'll see very strong second half numbers.

00:10:14.000 The economy should be growing at 3%, 3% plus.

00:10:18.000 And then sometime in the new year, we could talk about how 2025 started this incipient boom.

00:10:24.000 And with these policies in place, there's a very long runway.

00:10:28.000 And that runway is going to be higher living standards, higher wages, and Americans are going to feel much richer and healthier because of it.

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00:11:34.000 Talking about trade deals and investment, there's so much good stuff happening.

00:11:39.000 It's important that we emphasize that.

00:11:41.000 It's Joe Lavorgna, counselor to Secretary Scott Besson.

00:11:44.000 Joe, congratulations on the major trade deals.

00:11:47.000 Well, the president deserves congratulations, but you also get congratulations because your team has been working very hard on it.

00:11:52.000 We had a landmark day yesterday.

00:11:54.000 The Philippines and Japan.

00:11:56.000 Japan is our number one foreign investor.

00:11:58.000 They're our fifth largest trading partner.

00:12:01.000 Take a little victory lap and explain to the audience what happened yesterday.

00:12:06.000 Well, the president, with the help of Secretary Bessett, Ambassador Greer, and Secretary Lutnik, worked on an historic deal where there's a 15% reciprocal tariff with Japan.

00:12:19.000 They are going to take our agricultural products, make it less onerous as they import products from us.

00:12:26.000 They won't have to go through other additional regulatory checks that we're holding back many of the goods that we want to export to them.

00:12:33.000 And at the same time, Japan has committed to, and this is because of President Trump's leadership, has committed to investing $550 billion into the U.S. with a 90-10 split, 90% of the profits and proceeds taken by the U.S., 10% going back to Japan.

00:12:51.000 So it is an incredibly good deal.

00:12:53.000 It follows on the news of other trade deals this week, Indonesia and the Philippines.

00:12:58.000 And as Secretary Besson had highlighted, And the financial markets clearly now believe this full throttle, the deals are coming through.

00:13:05.000 So everything is working as President Trump had envisioned, and his leadership has gotten us these deals.

00:13:11.000 And we're optimistic we're going to continue to make progress.

00:13:14.000 I want to just put 383 up on screen.

00:13:16.000 It shows that President Trump upselled Japan from a $400 billion investment to a $500 billion investment.

00:13:24.000 That's all tied into capital expenditures.

00:13:27.000 Can you just walk through somebody living right now in Marshallton, Iowa, or someone that's living in Butler, Pennsylvania, or someone that is in a rural area where factories are starting to come back?

00:13:37.000 What does this mean for forgotten parts of the country that President Donald Trump is a phenomenal salesman for America?

00:13:44.000 Please, Joe, tell us.

00:13:46.000 Yep.

00:13:46.000 So Charlie, what it means is that Japan, it's not just Japan, many other countries have announced their intention to bring capital, bring money into the U.S. That money is going to invest in projects that people want to be in, that these foreigners want to be in.

00:14:03.000 It could be cryptocurrencies, the creation of digital assets, which you need to mine those assets.

00:14:10.000 So it's building of data centers.

00:14:12.000 It could be automobiles, because again, there's tariffs.

00:14:16.000 Those tariffs are designed to encourage people to not sell into the U.S., rather invest in the U.S. So it's a whole range of potential different industries and products that people want to come into the U.S. because the U.S. is the largest economy in the world.

00:14:33.000 We're the biggest consumer in the world.

00:14:35.000 We're the wealthiest consumer in the world.

00:14:37.000 So there's all these wonderful opportunities to come into the U.S. And President Trump has said, look, we're open for business and we're going to make it so that it is your best reason.

00:14:47.000 It makes the most sense for you to be here.

00:14:50.000 So when you have countries like Japan who are committing over half a trillion in capital to build the industries and firms here that they think are going to be additives to the U.S. economy, the U.S. worker is going to be a direct benefit of that.

00:15:07.000 So again, we'll get more details as things come out, but this is really fantastic news.

00:15:12.000 And so, for example, that means that Toyota might build more manufacturing plants here.

00:15:12.000 It is.

00:15:18.000 That means that Japanese, so talk about that, how foreign companies can avoid the tariff, and that means that they will build and they'll invest in the United States, which is a benefit for everybody.

00:15:30.000 It's a benefit for welders, electricians, and plumbers and accountants, please.

00:15:35.000 Right, that's right.

00:15:36.000 Well, Secretary Best is from South Carolina.

00:15:38.000 BMW has many plants there.

00:15:40.000 They've got plants elsewhere.

00:15:42.000 And those are jobs.

00:15:43.000 Those are high-paying jobs that Americans are working at.

00:15:48.000 They're working at these places.

00:15:49.000 So as more countries consider, like, look, we've got this tariff.

00:15:53.000 Maybe it makes more sense instead of selling into the U.S. and paying this tariff.

00:15:58.000 Maybe we should relocate to the U.S. to take advantage of its low corporate tax rates, its investment incentives, its high-quality workforce.

00:16:06.000 And this is important.

00:16:07.000 It's cheap and abundant energy because whenever you're going to make something, Charlie, you need an input.

00:16:13.000 You need energy to power that.

00:16:15.000 And in many places in the world, energy costs are incredibly high, especially in Europe.

00:16:20.000 Why would you want to operate there?

00:16:22.000 Bring your business to the U.S. We're open.

00:16:25.000 It's the golden age, the golden era, as President Trump says.

00:16:29.000 And you got to employ people.

00:16:30.000 Who are you going to employ?

00:16:31.000 Well, you're going to employ Americans because the president has made sure that illegal immigration has been put to a fault and you're going to pay Americans.

00:16:39.000 And as Secretary Besson has said, because there's now, there isn't any more below or artificial labor supply anymore, you're going to get normal market-based wage rates.

00:16:52.000 So your companies are here, they're building.

00:16:54.000 And at the same time, the Americans who are here, who want to work at a market-based wage, are going to get it.

00:17:00.000 You're going to see wages rise, as Secretary Besson is highlighting.

00:17:04.000 Joe Lavorgana, thank you so much for your leadership.

00:17:06.000 Congratulations.

00:17:07.000 Deal with the Philippines, Japan, got CapEx going up. 1.00

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00:17:10.000 Thank you so much.

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00:18:38.000 Joining us now is a very smart woman, Inez Stepman. 0.76

00:18:42.000 She's a fellow Claremont, let's say troublemaker with me, but Independent Women's Forum and an anti-feminist. 1.00

00:18:49.000 Wow, that's quite a statement.

00:18:50.000 Inez, great to see you.

00:18:52.000 Thank you for joining us.

00:18:54.000 Inez, there is a discussion going online, and this is a very important topic.

00:18:58.000 I don't want to get into any of the names because I think that will only distract us from the essence and the meat of this.

00:19:03.000 But there are some online that are saying that, young men, you should go be a polygamist.

00:19:09.000 Have as many sexual partners as you can.

00:19:12.000 Don't be restrained by monogamy.

00:19:15.000 I think this is not just unbiblical.

00:19:16.000 I think it's bad, insane, and a really terrible idea.

00:19:20.000 Inez, walk our audience through this kind of growing movement and sentiment of young men that seem to be very, very mad at no-fault divorce, which is leading them towards a almost polygamist aim and your response to it.

00:19:34.000 Inez Stepman.

00:19:35.000 Well, first, I mean, I've argued against no-fault divorce for a decade.

00:19:39.000 I do think it's a bad policy.

00:19:40.000 I think it's bad family policy.

00:19:43.000 And, you know, actually, a little fun anecdote.

00:19:46.000 My husband and I went to one of the three states in the union to redo our marriage contract that allows anti-no-fault like divorce where they have a list of possible grounds for divorce.

00:19:58.000 It really doesn't work that well in law because you can always escape to the next state, but that's part of the issue with the fact that all of our states have moved to a no-fault regime.

00:20:05.000 But that's neither here nor there.

00:20:07.000 I don't think that this argument, first of all, it has some truth to it because there is something to the fact that we are by nature not monogamous, that women are hypergamous and that men are hardwired to try to have as many children as possible with as many women as possible.

00:20:26.000 And this was something that worked relatively well in human societies in the pre-Christian era and before and to some extent after in primitive societies, but it was totally incompatible once societies moved into some kind of civilization.

00:20:41.000 And the reasons for that are anthropological.

00:20:44.000 There's obviously there's a religious argument against this, there's a moral argument against it, but there's also a common sense and anthropological argument against it.

00:20:51.000 And there's a reason that polygamy, widespread polygamy, as opposed to a small minority elite, but widespread polygamy as a system of marriage has basically disappeared.

00:21:01.000 All the societies that practice that, like the Plains Indians, have been essentially defeated, replaced, overwhelmed by societies that didn't. 0.95

00:21:09.000 Yeah, so let's dive deeper into that.

00:21:12.000 So we believe monogamy is obviously biblically and morally correct, but it's superior cultural technology.

00:21:19.000 So if young men right now start to engage in widespread polygamy or what they call this red pill culture, and explain that.

00:21:26.000 It's not the red pill that we would think of, which is, you know, to believe in conservative or MAGA values, but it's something completely foreign and different.

00:21:33.000 Inez, can you explain that and talk about how polygamy is actually really bad for a culture at large? 0.96

00:21:41.000 Yeah, I mean, polygamy has a math problem, right?

00:21:44.000 Even if you don't agree that it has a moral problem, you don't agree with the morality that is taught by Christianity, by Judaism, then you still have a math problem at the end of the day, right? 0.52

00:21:55.000 So then the basic math problem is what to do with all of the unattached men who have no wife and no hope of getting a wife and no hope of reproducing or having sex, right?

00:22:06.000 And those guys tend to get restless and angry.

00:22:08.000 We see this like on a small scale in our society today, right?

00:22:11.000 As people are not finding a partner or not finding a girlfriend, a wife, right?

00:22:17.000 You see that there's unrest there, some of it mitigated by the SOMA drugs of pornography or just doom scrolling online, but still like it causes social problems. 0.52

00:22:28.000 Now imagine flipping those numbers, right?

00:22:30.000 You have an 80% incel culture, for example.

00:22:34.000 What happens is there's a lot of restless young men.

00:22:36.000 And in times when societies were going to war, where there was a war season, frankly, a lot of the young men were just dying, right?

00:22:43.000 So a smaller and smaller number of men were making it through that gauntlet of constant warfare and then establishing themselves in, let's say, a Plains Indian tribe in a position where he would be permitted by society and attractive enough to women to take a wife and then another wife and then another wife, right?

00:23:00.000 But you can see how very quickly, if your entire civilization depends on warfare, which is very much true about the Plains Indians, depended on this constant seasonal warfare, that doesn't leave a lot of room for building things.

00:23:15.000 That doesn't leave a lot of room for actually applying labor as opposed to defense and war, applying it to butter, right?

00:23:22.000 The traditional distinction between guns and butter, to applying it to learning to cultivate, to building wealth and being able to defend it against constant attacks, right?

00:23:31.000 So that's why a lot of those civilizations were very precarious.

00:23:34.000 They lived very war-filled and precarious lives.

00:23:38.000 And by the way, it didn't really, contrast some of the other claims, didn't really explode their fertility rate either.

00:23:43.000 Most of those societies had very low fertility rates to the point where they were constantly having to raid other societies for more women in the hopes of saving their tribes from extinction, from demographic extinction.

00:23:55.000 So it is a way that to some extent a natural way that people have lived throughout the past, but it is not compatible with actually building wealth, technology, all the things, by the way, that make modern warfare, make you a formidable opponent in modern warfare.

00:24:13.000 So it's an important point because societies that embrace polygamy actually don't do very well.

00:24:19.000 So why don't you take a step back here, Inez, and explain what an incel is, the problems with young men and young female dynamic and relationships right now.

00:24:28.000 Why are so many young men not getting married?

00:24:32.000 Why is this even worthy of our time to discuss?

00:24:35.000 And this is even being proposed as a potential alternative.

00:24:40.000 Explain it to our audience that is not totally in touch with some of the structural issues happening right now.

00:24:46.000 Yeah, I mean, look, that's a big question.

00:24:47.000 And I'm sure there are a lot of people with a lot of thoughts about this.

00:24:51.000 You know, the dating discourse is broad and long, but I do think at least part of it is the fact that we've lost touch with the differences between men and women and what men and women look for in a partner.

00:25:04.000 And you see the projection going both directions, right?

00:25:06.000 You see women complaining. 1.00

00:25:09.000 There was a recent viral tweet a couple of weeks ago about a woman saying her friends are just fantastic, amazing catches.

00:25:15.000 And then in describing how she thinks that they're amazing catches, right?

00:25:18.000 She's talking about their master's degrees or the fact that they have really great jobs.

00:25:22.000 And it's not even that those things of themselves are turnoffs.

00:25:25.000 I think that can go sort of too simplistic on some of the red pill discourse, but it's that they just don't matter that much to men.

00:25:33.000 And women are just thinking about the things that they would like to see. 1.00

00:25:36.000 Ambition, for example, the ability to provide, the fact that men and women are looking for different things.

00:25:41.000 So I think there are like two big hits going on in the dating culture, in addition to just everybody retreating from an IRL life is one is like just simply the obesity crisis, right?

00:25:55.000 And that hits women's attractiveness more than it hits men because women are not as visually choosing their partners, as men are. 0.72

00:26:01.000 So it hits women harder than men, even though both men and women are statistically obese.

00:26:07.000 And then on the male side, just lest you think I'm only ragging on women, on the male side, the ability to interact charmingly in person, to be funny, right, to crack a joke, to seem comfortable and confident in company.

00:26:21.000 Again, both men and women are retreating from that.

00:26:24.000 We spend more time with our phones.

00:26:26.000 We spend more time interacting in an asynchronous manner where you don't have to come up with anything witty on the fly.

00:26:32.000 You can take your time and type out a text, right?

00:26:34.000 That hits all of us, but it hits young men more than women because women just don't really want to be with like a shy, awkward kind of guy.

00:26:43.000 It really is just not one of the things that women are naturally attracted to. 0.59

00:26:47.000 And I think when you put both of those two things together, you add in long sexual histories and heartbreak, you add in the fact that people are looking to marry much later.

00:26:57.000 You add all those things together and you get something where the sexual market, if you will, where the average person on both sides of the sex divide is less attractive to the opposite sex than they were, let's say in 1970, where the average woman was younger, hasn't dated around as much, right?

00:27:16.000 Doesn't have as long a sexual history, is slimmer, right?

00:27:19.000 And is generally not opposed to behaving in a more feminine way or taking on a more feminine role.

00:27:24.000 On the flip side, right, in 1970, you had a lot of cultural encouragement for men to develop those kinds of social skills, to develop competencies that would make them feel competent and confident when they were going out and talking to women.

00:27:38.000 Those were things that were kind of instilled in the culture, not to be too glib about it, but you'd get stuck in a locker more often.

00:27:46.000 You get bullied.

00:27:47.000 And that might have been painful, but it really did shape people in a way that made them more attractive on average, the opposite sex. 1.00

00:27:55.000 And then, of course, there was a big pay differential between men and women in 1970 in a way that's not true today on the average sort of dating market.

00:28:02.000 So I just, look, love is individual.

00:28:04.000 I'm not trying to be too didactic about this, but it's still, you can look at the overall dating market and see where, you know, your average woman and your average guy who are out there looking for a partner may be less satisfied with what they find than they would have been 30 or 50 years ago.

00:28:20.000 That is so true.

00:28:21.000 This is evidenced by the time I spent with a lot of students at our Student Action Summit.

00:28:26.000 And I said to the men, how many of you are upset with the current dating market?

00:28:29.000 They're all, all their hands go up.

00:28:30.000 I said, young ladies, how many of you are upset with the current dating market?

00:28:32.000 All their hands go up.

00:28:34.000 And I said, we got a serious problem here.

00:28:36.000 The young women, they want a six foot five, blue eye, hunky hedge fund manager making $2 million a year that will, you know, never cheat on her. 1.00

00:28:47.000 Yeah, good luck finding that.

00:28:49.000 And the men, they want something equally as unrealistic.

00:28:53.000 And so we find ourselves at an impasse that has a fertility collapse, a marriage collapse, a dating collapse.

00:29:01.000 And of course, social media is harming this.

00:29:03.000 I think feminism is to blame for a lot of it. 1.00

00:29:05.000 What I want everyone in the audience to know that this is a civilizational emergency that's happening in front of our eyes.

00:29:13.000 It is a massive and major issue.

00:29:16.000 Marriage is the foundation of a successful society.

00:29:19.000 Young ladies don't want to get married to their late 20s and early 30s. 1.00

00:29:22.000 And then they find out that some of them actually are not as, let me put it this way, or even later, that men want to have younger women.

00:29:29.000 Let's just put it that way without myself getting in too much trouble.

00:29:33.000 We are seeing a civilizational potential collapse if we don't solve this.

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00:30:41.000 Inez, you describe yourself as an anti-feminist. 1.00

00:30:44.000 What is feminism and why are you anti? 1.00

00:30:47.000 Yeah, it's funny because I've been putting that in my bio for, I don't know, 10 years, 15 years.

00:30:52.000 Now it's gotten sort of mixed in with the Tradwife accounts and some other weird things that I want nothing to do with.

00:30:59.000 But it's the definition that I use is the political, economic, and cultural equality or social equality of the sexes.

00:31:09.000 I think that's a pretty fair and broad definition of feminism. 1.00

00:31:12.000 For one, it's the definition in Merriam-Webster dictionary, but it's also the definition that Beyonce used when she put that giant feminist sign behind her. 0.99

00:31:20.000 So it has, I think, some broad appeal.

00:31:22.000 And the reason I like that definition is it swoops in a lot of people who think of themselves as more on the right, right, or who are conservative.

00:31:28.000 They're like, what's wrong with that?

00:31:30.000 Well, I mean, I think there are really two things wrong with it.

00:31:32.000 One is that it's not possible.

00:31:35.000 And two is that I wouldn't think that it would be desirable.

00:31:40.000 So the differences between men and women are incredibly deep.

00:31:43.000 And the feminist sort of premise from the very beginning, from the first wave of feminism, you can go back and read Wollstonecraft and the American Founding and still see the sort of seed of this idea.

00:31:54.000 And that is that those differences are primarily socially constructed rather than biological and immutable.

00:32:00.000 And I think you've seen the final stop on that train with the trans issue, right? 0.94

00:32:05.000 If we say that men and women are interchangeable biologically with regard to everything important in life, if they're interchangeable in our relationships, in our careers, in society, in our role in the world, and in our families, then I don't see why we shouldn't say that those biological exterior differences are also irrelevant and interchangeable.

00:32:27.000 The differences between men and women above the neck, I guess, Is the short version is the differences above the neck and in our brains, which are confirmed by decades of science before the Academy stepped on doing any of this kind of science, are as significant as the ones that are below the neck that are obvious and external.

00:32:44.000 These differences are deep, and I simply think that it's better to accept them, to celebrate them, and to use them in a complementary way where men and women can actually feed off of each other's strengths and counter each other's weaknesses and build a more flourishing society together.

00:33:00.000 In closing here, Inez, so what does this look like then from a conservative movement?

00:33:07.000 How standpoint?

00:33:08.000 How should we approach this?

00:33:09.000 Because there's a lot of young men that are really upset, they're really jaded, and they're joining the conservative movement in record numbers, which is amazing.

00:33:18.000 How do we handle this as a movement conservatively to be pro-family, but also try to remedy this structural differences between the sexes?

00:33:27.000 Yeah, I mean, so I think it's important that we take some of these structural concerns and legal concerns seriously.

00:33:34.000 I'll say that up front before I get to the part that I think young men probably won't like to hear from me, but the part that I think I agree with them on is that it is time for the conservative movement to pick up some of these issues.

00:33:44.000 It is time for us to pay attention to the bias in family courts.

00:33:48.000 It is time for us to think about the incentives that we are building into marriage and to counteract those both legally and culturally.

00:33:58.000 And I think we're finally at a moment where a lot of people are willing to listen to those kinds of concerns more than they might have 10 years, 20 years ago.

00:34:07.000 Because I mean, the major problem with the conservative movement, since I've been a part of it for, I don't know, 15 years or something, has been that they've always been chasing the left.

00:34:16.000 You know, conservatism is just progressivism going the speed limit.

00:34:19.000 Just in this issue, they really have done that.

00:34:22.000 They've chased the left.

00:34:23.000 They've chased the label feminists. 1.00

00:34:24.000 They've chased the idea that the right is the real feminist while the left is the crazy feminist. 1.00

00:34:31.000 And I think we really should stop chasing that train and look at some of the ways in which we built female victimhood and frankly power over men into the legal system. 0.92

00:34:41.000 And by the way, at the top of that list is things like ensuring due process when there are sexual misconduct allegations on college campuses, right?

00:34:50.000 Something that Biden was personally involved in as a VP under the Obama administration and stacking that deck against young men in college and something that the Trump administration reversed not once, but now twice.

00:35:02.000 So I do think we should pay attention to more of those issues and take them seriously.

00:35:06.000 That being said, you know, the history of human relations is long and there have been plenty of both material deprivation and cultural, you know, sort of, I guess, like cultural structures that weighed against generations before us, right?

00:35:24.000 This is not, it's new, but it's not unique.

00:35:27.000 It's not like we are in a totally powerless position over our own lives.

00:35:32.000 And sometimes I feel like we really go into this, like you have to be able to look at these structures, say they're unfair, and still take agency for your own life and not make yourself miserable in the process.

00:35:43.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:35:44.000 Everybody, email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:46.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:35:48.000 God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 24, 2025

Do We Really Need to Argue Against Polygamy? (Yes)

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