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00:01:19.000I'm just curious about your stance on college as a scam because I feel like, according to the Hamilton Institute, people who get bachelor's degrees over a total lifetime earnings will earn over $1 million more than those who don't.
00:01:31.000And also, I feel like college is an important place for people to go, learn valuable life lessons, and also, It's good to have a balanced society because then you're going to get artists, you're also going to get architectures, you're going to get engineers, you're going to get all sorts of different people that we need in society.
00:01:43.000Because what's the point in living if we don't have writers or artists?
00:01:47.000So I just want to get your take on that.
00:01:49.000The question is Do the best writers learn to write in college?
00:02:38.000But what you're paying for or going into debt for is not a real economic education.
00:02:41.000Those are the people that theorized about free markets, which is a legitimate school of thinking, monetarism, private property rights.
00:02:48.000And the fact that you, and not, I'm not criticizing you, I'm criticizing the institution that's failing you, that you don't know what these people believe and you're not being taught that rigorously, proves my point that college is a scam.
00:02:59.000Yeah, but again, I've only been here like a semester and a half.
00:03:02.000So, but what, do you know who John Maynard Keynes is?
00:03:13.000So that's my point is that they'll teach you Keynes, but they won't teach you one out of the seven people that I mentioned Bastiat, Hayek, von Mises, Rothbard, Sowell, or Friedman.
00:03:22.000And that proves my point, which is that it's all demand side.
00:03:26.000It's all one picture of an economic argument that is not the complete picture of what.
00:03:33.000Now, maybe later on you'll get a supply side economics teacher here, but this idea that you go to college to kind of get your worldview liberated, yet you get your worldview altered.
00:03:44.000Secondly, to your point of earnings over a period of time, it matters completely and solely on what you study.
00:03:50.000If you study the liberal arts, even after 10 years, a study came out yesterday 16 lowest paid majors happen to be some of the highest majors that people actually go and study, which is liberal arts, sociology.
00:04:00.000God bless people that do that stuff, I suppose.
00:04:03.000But you're also filled with all of the woke rubbish that is infecting our society.
00:04:17.000So, half of this audience, if you get a job, will get a job that doesn't require a college degree.
00:04:23.00041% of kids that enter college will not graduate.
00:04:26.000And the vast majority of kids, 60 to 70%, that go to college, I believe study things that are completely worthless, meaningless, and don't enrich society at all.
00:04:35.000But is that the fault of the student or the college?
00:04:39.000Because I looked in the stats for this.
00:04:41.000It's usually because they either don't have the finances to support themselves going to college, they have mental health problems that lead them to dropping out, or stress, or their family's not supporting them.
00:04:51.000So is that the fault of college that they pick bad degrees?
00:05:38.000But let's talk about the institution itself.
00:05:40.000So, everyone in the audience here, how many of you have had to take classes that are a waste of time that you wish you didn't have to take, that are a waste of money, and that every single hand goes up?
00:05:51.000They're scamming every kid in this audience.
00:05:54.000They are forcing them to take classes that make them poorer, that take up their time.
00:05:59.000In order to get the credential, that is an institutional scam.
00:06:05.000And by the way, every other part of life is all about your own customization.
00:06:10.000Your Netflix account, how you get your burrito bowl, from how you dress, your Amazon cart is you are in charge.
00:06:16.000But you come to college and they say you must go take these three, four, five classes that are very expensive, especially for you out of state students, to go further into debt, study things that don't matter, to find jobs that don't exist.
00:06:39.000And what I would say is that I have a great levity in choices of classes I want to take, even if there's a bunch of general education classes, I have a great flexibility in the class I want to take.
00:06:50.000It's up to the student if they want to take meaningless classes given their credit limit.
00:06:59.000Okay, but I mean, I would just speculate that this school still has specific criteria of classes, right?
00:07:38.000If you guys want to fly to New York and Spirit Airlines says we're going to charge you $2,500 for a one way ticket, I think we all could agree flying Spirit Airlines for $2,500 is a scam.
00:08:49.000Now, a lot of you guys are in college because you've been pushed into college saying that you must get the piece of paper, you might get the piece of paper, when there are very good paying jobs, 11 million of them, but either your society, your parents, or your own choices are no, I wanna go to college, I wanna go after that piece of paper.
00:09:06.000My contention is that there are way better options out there for a lot of students.
00:09:11.000Not every student, but a lot of other students.
00:09:14.000Charlie, I think a part of your core rhetoric, there's actually some real truth there that, like, I think a lot of people are getting really just pressure to go to college, even if they'll make poor choices.
00:09:22.000I'm just saying that even while you're in college, you can make better choices to make yourself a better person.
00:10:04.000But do you think that the culture around students going to college could change instead around their decision making?
00:10:10.000I think we need way less kids going to college.
00:10:12.000The institution itself is so broken, let's be clear.
00:10:14.000Forced diversity classes, DEI, all that stuff, it's nonsense.
00:10:17.000If it was really, college really should be closer to what Hillsdale College is, which is about wisdom, beauty, truth, goodness, not just about job preparedness.
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00:12:21.000Okay, well, I find that hard to believe.
00:12:23.000Why is it that employers are more and more not wanting to hire college graduates and they actually want to hire people that didn't go to college?
00:12:32.000Walmart just got rid of their, even in their corporate level, so you don't need to go to college.
00:12:37.000Coke Industries, one of the largest employers in the country, from Georgia Pacific Railroad to Dow Chemical, they said we no longer want kids that have gone to college.
00:12:44.000Because they end up causing problems because they're super entitled and they're like, oh, what are my pronouns?
00:12:49.000And they have all this left wing nonsense that they've been filled with.
00:12:51.000Well, then you have engineers, doctors, lawyers, people that.
00:12:53.000Sure, we need that, but that's less than 20% of the people that go to college.
00:12:56.000Yeah, but it's going to be wrong to say college is a scam if 25% of people become great people.
00:13:08.000I can have a more wordy thing, which is the vast majority of people that go to college are receiving a scam for the money that they're borrowing.
00:15:00.000If that's the case, why do half of these kids end up with anywhere between $50,000 to $100,000 in debt and they end up getting a job that says, oh, sorry, you never needed the degree in the first place?
00:17:00.000Now I have $60,000 of debt, $70,000 in debt.
00:17:03.000I wanted to start a business, but now I don't have the credit to do it.
00:17:06.000Instead, we are wasting our most prized possession, our 18 to 22 year olds, to go stick them at many universities when they shouldn't be here in the first place.
00:19:00.000I'm not faulting you for it, but this is why you're so defensive you're detached from the price, you're detached from the cost.
00:19:05.000It's easy to be defensive of something you're not paying for.
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00:22:04.000Most people that go to college do not graduate.
00:22:07.000You guys actually go to a school that has a lot of applicability in the job market outside of some of the majors that are offered, but aeronautical engineering, computer engineering, which, you know, go work for Elon.
00:22:20.000So, this school is actually a little bit more of the exception than it is the rule, because I think humanities are largely one of the great wastes of time and kind of societal poisons and cancers that are happening in our society.
00:22:56.000It all depends on what you want to do.
00:22:58.000That's the most, the worst thing you can do is enter into a four year agreement where you have to borrow a bunch of money, try to find your way, go take a bunch of classes that have very little relevancy, and next thing you know, you end up with a college degree and you end up getting a job that doesn't require a college degree.
00:23:15.000Here's a fact half of people that graduate college end up getting a job that does not require a college degree.
00:24:27.000And I just, you know, a large majority of people going into college out of high school, I think it's a good choice for kids because they have four years to develop as a human being versus just jumping into the workforce and making, what, 30, 40 grand?
00:24:42.000And you can't live off that right now.
00:24:44.000Are those folks over there developing as human beings?
00:25:20.000Most of the universities, you get over 75 grand a year out of college.
00:25:23.000And if you do the route of two years at community college and transfer into a university, you're able to pay off that debt, which is around 20K, 30K for a school like this.
00:25:31.000You can go to state school and then you're off to the races.
00:25:46.000People do not want to work with their hands, and parents don't want to send their kids to go work with their hands because it's considered to be dirty type labor.
00:25:54.00011 million job openings in this country that require just a six month certification, whether it be auto mechanic, HVAC, plumber, so on and so forth.
00:26:26.000They say we've never seen such lazy, entitled, narcissistic college graduates.
00:26:30.000In fact, most employers say if you have a college degree, you're put in a different category.
00:26:35.000They prefer people out of high school, unless you want to go work for Bank of America in a soulless laptop job for the rest of your life and go learn about how men can become pregnant at some HR department survey.
00:26:47.000Or you use your analytical skills that you use in school to get a job or six figures.
00:26:52.000You can develop analytical schools outside of college.
00:26:58.000Yeah, I mean, I almost dropped out too.
00:27:00.000And I'm not saying it wasn't the right choice for you, but more times than not, kids are deceived and lied, and they have tons of animosity because this school is unique.
00:27:09.000If you go to UCLA or if you go to UC Berkeley, you're not left with $30,000 in debt.
00:27:13.000You're left with $130,000 in debt, right?
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00:27:39.000Billions of dollars are flowing through education bureaucracies every year.
00:27:43.000Test scores collapse, and somehow the answer is always more money and less parental authority.
00:27:48.000The documentary breaks down How organizations like the NEA amassed enormous influence, how radical gender ideology entered classrooms, and why something as basic as recess, movement, freedom, childhood, you know, had to go.
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00:28:36.000If you feel as if there's a massive amount of injustice in the world, um, there's a lot of truth to the argument that you as a young person have been lied to and misled and that you have been told to do things that are not in your best interest.
00:28:50.000One of them being having to go to college to succeed.
00:28:53.000Um, there, I do not believe that a majority of young people should be going to college.
00:28:57.000In fact, I think, um, that college is largely a scam and I'll prove it to you.
00:29:01.000How many of you have to take classes that you are forced to take that have no relevancy to your degree or major and you wish you shouldn't have to take it?
00:29:20.000You're being forced to take classes that really have no relevancy to your future, whatever that might be, and you're also simultaneously then knowing that people are dropping out at a record rate, ask yourself the question why is this the case?
00:29:34.000And so, but this is something I want to try to just hopefully find some common ground on, which is the following, which is that.
00:29:41.000If you feel as if kind of the game has been rigged against you as a young person, you're not totally wrong.
00:29:47.000There is an understandable anger that begins to set in, and I know a lot of you feel this way, as if I've done everything I've been told to do, and I do not get the same shot at the American dream or at flourishing that my parents did.
00:30:04.000And I will say that we could talk at length about what to do about that, but I think that there is a critique out there by some conservatives.
00:30:12.000That all young people are lazy and all that.
00:30:16.000I think there's plenty of lazy young people.
00:30:17.000There's lazy people in every age group.
00:30:19.000I don't think that millennials and Gen Z are generally lazy.
00:30:23.000I think that they've done everything they've been told to do, and now they're looking at their life when they're 25, 26, and 27, and they're like, wait a second, I followed the rules.
00:30:33.000So my message is understanding that critique, let's try to turn some of that cynicism into hope, into a country that could be something you could buy into, something you could do in your own life to actually find meaning and purpose.
00:30:47.000Because cynical people do really bad things.
00:31:11.000What can I do to actually hopefully get an optimistic, hopeful message out?
00:31:14.000Because the politics of cynicism is bad for everybody.
00:31:17.000If you think things are always constantly falling apart, And there's no resolution, there's no way to try to solve it, then by definition, what comes next is either going to be an authoritarianism or anarchy, one of the two.
00:31:28.000And one will lead to authoritarianism, right?
00:31:32.000Anarchy happens, and then an authoritarian person takes over.
00:31:35.000And you saw this in the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, when people get hyper cynical about the political process, they're willing to give their political power to a Napoleon or a Vladimir Lenin or whatever.
00:31:45.000I don't want that, you don't want that either.
00:31:48.000And so, if you're feeling as if the game has been structured against you, I want to just say there's a lot of truth to that argument.
00:31:56.000And conservatives don't always talk like this.
00:31:58.000Conservatives will usually say work harder, study harder, live by the rules.
00:32:03.000I agree with all those things, by the way.
00:32:04.000I think there can be a little bit more grit in this generation and all that.
00:32:07.000But I think it would be unfair and not true to act as if right now a 20 year old at UC Berkeley has the same set of circumstances that someone in the year 2004 had here.
00:32:34.000Largely, the value proposition that You are being offered is not worth the time or the money that many of you are forking over.
00:32:40.000There's exceptions to that generally, but for example, the vast majority of students that graduate from four year college will end up getting a job if they get a job at all in a career or a job that doesn't require a college degree.
00:32:52.000So, henceforth, asking the question why do they go to college in the first place?
00:32:57.000Okay, now what do you mean about jobs that don't require a college degree?
00:33:01.000Like working at Starbucks as a barista.
00:33:07.000So, what exactly do you mean by the value proposition not being sufficient for the cost of going to college?
00:33:18.000Yeah, so, I mean, going $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 into debt, that's a significant thing.
00:33:24.000And hopefully, if you're going to do that, you're going to be able to prove and have some value for that reason.
00:33:31.000So, for example, there was a study that just came out in the last day the 16 lowest paying job majors.
00:33:38.000The vast majority of those are actually what kids study in college, right?
00:33:41.000Communications, liberal arts, things of that nature.
00:33:43.000And so the question is why even go to college at all if you're just basically getting a credential that is worth less and less money in the marketplace?
00:33:51.000Now, if you study engineering, if you study finance, terrific, but the scam also is just beyond the financial value proposition.
00:33:58.000It's the ideological pollutants that are spread on college campuses and the, let's just say, some of the left wing indoctrination that occurs here as well.
00:34:07.000Okay, so moving aside from that red herring there, I myself am a communication major, and I am very well aware of the communication majors who just take a four year degree and go into jobs that either don't require a degree or.
00:34:28.000Try to get as close to the mic as you can, is that okay?
00:34:31.000But, anyways, I'm aware of the communication majors who only get a bachelor's degree, and if they're lucky, they're only able to get research assistant jobs in communication.
00:34:43.000Or not even get a job that requires a degree at all.
00:34:48.000But would not those who continue on to get masters and doctorates in communication, who get hundreds, who get a hundred thousand dollar a year or two hundred thousand dollar a year research jobs, would that not counteract the total economic, socioeconomic value of those who just go into college and then end up Starbucks baristas?
00:35:36.000And I don't think we're always telling our young people, you know, the next generation, that these jobs are available to you.
00:35:41.000It's an expectation that you go to four year college, and in fact, you're treated and almost considered to be dumb if you don't go to four year university.
00:35:49.000And I think that's a big mistake, and not to mention the vast majority 41% of kids that enter college do not graduate.
00:35:55.000There's something deeply wrong with the system.
00:35:57.000So, from what you're telling me, though, it sounds more like the problem lies not in college itself, but rather the individual paths that people choose who look at a situation, make the wrong decisions, don't stay in school as long as they need to in order to get the career that they want.
00:36:21.000Or they drop out because they don't see the value.
00:36:24.000They drop out because they don't think it's worth their time.
00:36:27.000And again, half of this audience, after 10 years, if they get a job, they'll end up getting a job that didn't require them going to college in the first place.
00:36:39.000Why are they borrowing all this money and spending four years on a university just to go get a job that never would have required them to get the degree or the debt or the four years being spent on campus?