The Charlie Kirk Show - Does America Need a National Divorce? with Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Julaine Appling

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk Show, Marjorie Taylor Green joins us to clarify her remarks on her calling for a national divorce.

00:00:08.000 Do you agree with Marjorie Taylor Greene?

00:00:11.000 And Jelaine Appling joins our program about the critical race happening in Wisconsin.

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00:01:16.000 Do you know today's Election Day in Wisconsin?

00:01:19.000 That's right.

00:01:20.000 It feels like we just got over the 2022 midterms and we, oh, elections are a long ways away.

00:01:25.000 No, no, no.

00:01:26.000 Today in Wisconsin, everybody watching right now, listening on radio, if you have friends or family in Wisconsin, we have to mobilize.

00:01:34.000 It's going to be a low turnout election for a very high stakes primary for the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

00:01:41.000 It's super important.

00:01:42.000 It's not getting the attention it deserves.

00:01:46.000 And to help explain is one of the best grassroots activists in Wisconsin, Jelaine Appling, president of Wisconsin Family Action.

00:01:54.000 Jelaine, welcome to the program.

00:01:56.000 Explain to us what's happening in the great state of Wisconsin today.

00:02:01.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:02:01.000 Good to be with you.

00:02:02.000 Good to see you again.

00:02:03.000 Thank you.

00:02:04.000 Thanks for all you're doing to immobilize people and inform them.

00:02:07.000 You know, this is an exciting day in Wisconsin, really, Charlie.

00:02:10.000 This is election day, and every election day is important.

00:02:13.000 And this one is particularly so.

00:02:15.000 In fact, I just spoke to a group of teenagers and told them they're living in a moment of history because we have the opportunity today in Wisconsin to elect the people who will go on to the general election on April 4th to fill a vacancy that we have in our state Supreme Court.

00:02:33.000 You know, what makes this so significant is that right now our seven-member Supreme Court leans conservative.

00:02:40.000 We have a 4-3 conservative tip right now.

00:02:44.000 However, one of the conservatives has chosen after two 10-year terms not to run again.

00:02:50.000 And that is Justice Pat Rogensack.

00:02:52.000 And so what's happened is we have this open seat and the liberals are literally salivating over this open seat.

00:03:00.000 Here in Wisconsin, you know, Charlie, we have a divided government right now.

00:03:04.000 We have a very liberal Democrat in the governor's office and we have, yeah, that's a good word for it.

00:03:10.000 We have Republicans in control of both houses of our state legislature.

00:03:13.000 So the liberals can't advance their agenda that way.

00:03:16.000 So they are looking to this open seat on the court to flip our Supreme Court to a liberal court on a 4-3 liberal vote rather than a 4-3 conservative vote.

00:03:28.000 So right now, today, we have four candidates on the ballot.

00:03:31.000 Two are very, very liberal.

00:03:33.000 In fact, Charlie, I don't know if everybody's seen it or not, but typically in a Supreme Court race or in any kind of judicial race, the candidates stay away from saying, this is how I would vote on a certain issue if it came before me, right?

00:03:48.000 So one of the candidates, the leader probably of the liberals, Jannifer Proto-Saywich, she has been all over saying, I'll restore abortion rights.

00:03:56.000 I'll do this.

00:03:57.000 I'll do that.

00:03:58.000 That's blowing people away. 1.00

00:03:59.000 In fact, there are four complaints registered against her right now for doing that. 1.00

00:04:04.000 So there's, excuse me, there's these two liberals, and then there's two that are on the conservative side.

00:04:10.000 Now, in my opinion, there is only one of those two candidates who is truly a proven conservative, and that's Dan Kelly.

00:04:18.000 The other conservative candidate is Jennifer Doro.

00:04:22.000 Now, we have her promise that she would be conservative and that she wouldn't be a judicial activist, but that's all we have, Charlie, just her work.

00:04:30.000 But I also have Dan Kelly, who served on the court for four years on the high court, on the Supreme Court, and we have a proven track record that Dan Kelly never did anything other than vote the right way, write good opinions, show that he's an originalist.

00:04:46.000 And so the message to Wisconsin today is go vote and vote for the person who is going to make sure that we retain the rule of law.

00:04:57.000 So I want to thank you for the great work you're doing, Wisconsin Family Action, Jelaine.

00:05:01.000 Dan Kelly is the best of all of them.

00:05:03.000 Let me build this out for a national audience because I'm sure some of you in Washington or Alaska are saying, okay, well, what's the relevancy here?

00:05:09.000 You will not win the White House in 2024 if you do not win Wisconsin.

00:05:13.000 Mark Elias and the shifty Democrats, they filed tons of lawsuits.

00:05:18.000 Remember in Pennsylvania, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, they kicked the green people off the ballot.

00:05:24.000 They destroyed the signature verification rules.

00:05:27.000 They changed the ballot custody rules.

00:05:30.000 Those are more on state Supreme Courts usually than federal courts.

00:05:35.000 And so now we have an opportunity in Wisconsin to get a strong constitutionalist.

00:05:40.000 And so the point of action for our whole audience right now, I guarantee you, almost everybody in our audience knows somebody in Wisconsin where you could pick up the phone or send a text and say, hey, just go vote.

00:05:49.000 Because Jelaine, this is going to be a low turnout election, probably 8% to 12% turnout.

00:05:53.000 Am I wrong there?

00:05:53.000 I'm just speculating.

00:05:55.000 Maybe 15%.

00:05:56.000 It might go as high as 15, but it's going to be low.

00:05:58.000 And you know what, Charlie, that means that every person who does vote, their vote counts even more than it normally does, right?

00:06:05.000 Because it is a low turnout.

00:06:06.000 That's exactly right.

00:06:07.000 So every voter you successfully mobilize actually has a higher impact.

00:06:12.000 So Jelaine, let me just ask this question.

00:06:15.000 The Wisconsin Supreme Court has been involved in some very consequential election integrity decisions in recent years, have they not?

00:06:23.000 Oh my, yes, they have.

00:06:26.000 And so they have to.

00:06:27.000 So build that out for us.

00:06:28.000 Well, they've dealt with ballot harvesting.

00:06:30.000 They've dealt to some degree with how we're going to handle the absentee ballot thing.

00:06:34.000 You know, they haven't handled as many as we would have liked, Charlie.

00:06:37.000 Some of those got in the early days after 2020 because we kind of have a, well, I'm going to call him a rogue conservative or kind of a faux conservative, Brian Hagedorn, whose name has become now a verb.

00:06:48.000 You've been hagedorned.

00:06:50.000 He's not always allowed those cases to go as far as we'd like through that Supreme Court.

00:06:55.000 But just take the ballot harvesting.

00:06:57.000 You know, that was something that the liberals were pushing and pushing and doing these bizarre things during the 2020 election that were clearly outside the law.

00:07:05.000 And the Supreme Court put the kibosh on that.

00:07:08.000 So, you know, one thing I think is really significant that people forget about, but back in 2020, our Supreme Court actually let people go vote in the spring election because the governor had said the Friday before the vote on Tuesday, oh, no, no, we're closing the polls on Tuesday because of COVID.

00:07:26.000 And it was incredibly frustrating.

00:07:29.000 And the Supreme Court turned around and said, oh, no, no, that is not the governor's call.

00:07:34.000 That is our call.

00:07:35.000 You cannot do that.

00:07:36.000 And open up the polls for people to go and vote in that 2020 spring election.

00:07:42.000 So your point about election integrity is very, very important.

00:07:46.000 Charlie, I think the liberals are probably sitting out there already with a whole litany of lawsuits they're waiting to bring.

00:07:53.000 It's ahead of 2024.

00:07:53.000 That's exactly right.

00:07:55.000 And so, again, they're playing chess.

00:07:57.000 I don't even know if we're playing checkers yet.

00:07:59.000 But they look at if they're able to change the composition of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, Mark Elias is going to come in with all these goofy lawsuits, and maybe one out of 10 will end up being successful.

00:08:10.000 So, Jelaine, is there a lot of outside money being spent on this?

00:08:14.000 Are Democrats currently outspending conservatives in Wisconsin?

00:08:18.000 Big time.

00:08:19.000 Big time.

00:08:20.000 This is a primary.

00:08:21.000 Janet Protosewich is the leading liberal on this ballot for today.

00:08:25.000 And the ads and the money that's being spent from outside Wisconsin is overwhelmingly.

00:08:31.000 Because they see it.

00:08:32.000 They see how this is there.

00:08:33.000 This holds the keys to 2024.

00:08:36.000 Republicans, wake up.

00:08:37.000 Please continue, Jelaine.

00:08:38.000 Well, you're exactly right.

00:08:40.000 I couldn't say it better.

00:08:40.000 They understand what's at stake here.

00:08:43.000 I think there's going to be money coming in for the conservative who wins today.

00:08:47.000 And personally, I hope it's Dan Kelly.

00:08:49.000 And I think there will be significant money to do a very good campaign against Janet Protosevich in for the April election.

00:08:57.000 But we really do need people to wake up.

00:08:59.000 We need people all across this country to understand how important what's happening here in Wisconsin is today.

00:09:05.000 I will say that there's been a good amount of mainstream media that has come in and covered it to some degree, calling this the most important election of 2023.

00:09:16.000 I think that's right.

00:09:18.000 And it's kind of a wonky, abstract race. 0.99

00:09:21.000 Like, what is this?

00:09:22.000 You know, Wisconsin Supreme Court, if you go through the new electoral map after the census changes, there is almost no path to a Republican winning the White House in 2024 without Wisconsin.

00:09:35.000 It goes right through Wisconsin.

00:09:37.000 And by the way, not to mention the Senate races and the important congressional races and Mark Elias and all of the Arabella advisors, George Soros, McKenzie, Bezos types on the radical left, the plutocrat, oligarch, billionaires, they look at this as a way to spend $5 million, $10 million to change the ballot laws, change signature verification.

00:09:58.000 And so this is super important.

00:09:59.000 Vote for Dan Kelly.

00:10:00.000 And then Jelaine, we're going to do everything we can in the April election because this is kind of a proxy battle, if you will, heading into that 2024.

00:10:10.000 We need to wake up to these sort of more structural races because they impact whether or not we're going to win in November 24.

00:10:16.000 Jelaine, thank you for your leadership.

00:10:18.000 Really appreciate it.

00:10:19.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:10:20.000 Good to be with you.

00:10:21.000 Thank you.

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00:11:26.000 So Marjorie Taylor Greene is going to be joining us next segment.

00:11:30.000 I'm going to ask her about her tweet on the national divorce.

00:11:36.000 And I have said for quite some time, I think we are heading towards a national divorce, but I have never said I think we need a national divorce.

00:11:46.000 And I think that word is rather operative because I think that would be a tragedy in some sense.

00:11:52.000 I think it would be very messy.

00:11:54.000 You and the audience are split on this yesterday.

00:11:57.000 Some of you said, I totally agree with Marjorie Taylor.

00:11:59.000 Green, I'm going to ask her, does she mean secession?

00:12:01.000 Does she mean splintering, fracturing?

00:12:05.000 Does she mean a restoration of federalism?

00:12:07.000 Which obviously I agree.

00:12:08.000 If it's kind of like, hey, let's leave each other alone, then I'm in full support of that.

00:12:14.000 So that'll be a fun conversation with Marjorie Taylor Greene. 0.90

00:12:18.000 Look, the Constitution gives us tools to help really resolve these issues.

00:12:22.000 We are a republic, but I think the term national divorce could be taken way out of context.

00:12:29.000 And so I'm excited to talk to that, talk to her about that.

00:12:32.000 Okay, I do want to ask, yeah, someone just emailed us.

00:12:35.000 They said, why is the RNC not in Wisconsin for the Supreme Court race?

00:12:39.000 They should be.

00:12:41.000 That would be a very important question.

00:12:42.000 Hey, I did my part trying to get regime change at the RNC.

00:12:46.000 I fell short.

00:12:46.000 I went to the meeting.

00:12:48.000 We helped Harmeet Dylan all we could.

00:12:50.000 I won zero friends and zero favors for doing that.

00:12:54.000 Very few people in conservative media or conservative activist circles were willing to stick their neck out.

00:13:00.000 I did that because I have an obligation to you, the audience, to pick the tough fights that are actually going to help us save the country.

00:13:05.000 We fell short, but I can rest easy at night saying, hey, I tried to get regime change at the RNC.

00:13:10.000 So that's we tried very hard.

00:13:17.000 So, all right, I do want to just mention a little bit more about the Project Veritas story because it was really fast-paced with Steve Bannon last hour.

00:13:30.000 Okay, so the Veritas board, let me read this to you really quick.

00:13:35.000 This is the Veritas' board that wrote this.

00:13:39.000 Today, James O'Keeffe decided to remove his belongings.

00:13:41.000 This was written yesterday from Project Veritas headquarters.

00:13:44.000 The board and management made numerous attempts in the last 14 days to have a conversation with James, but he ignored our outreach and decided instead of leak private information to others, either by doing so himself or by proxy.

00:13:53.000 I know that is not true, by the way.

00:13:55.000 I know that's not true.

00:13:56.000 I actually have evidence to show that is not true, that James O'Keeffe ignored them.

00:14:00.000 He was dialoguing with some of the board members.

00:14:01.000 That's just not true.

00:14:06.000 Continuing here, Project Veritas has not concluded looking into the full-scale financial issues over the years.

00:14:11.000 Okay, looking at James O'Keeffe.

00:14:12.000 All right, so let me go through this because even some, I've been disappointed by some text messages I've received by other conservative leaders.

00:14:19.000 They say, wow, $150,000 is a lot in black cars over 18 months.

00:14:23.000 Like, hold on a second.

00:14:25.000 So I traveled 300 days a year.

00:14:28.000 James O'Keeffe even said in his speech yesterday, I watched the whole thing.

00:14:31.000 I encourage you guys to look at it.

00:14:32.000 We have it on our Rumble feed.

00:14:33.000 We have it on our YouTube feed.

00:14:34.000 James says, I traveled 300 days a year.

00:14:36.000 Okay, so that's 18 months, 300 days of travel a year, which would mean about 390 days of travel.

00:14:44.000 Let's round up to 400 days of travel.

00:14:46.000 So let's do the math together.

00:14:47.000 $150,000 for 400 days.

00:14:50.000 This is their big accusation that even some conservative, that's $375 a day.

00:14:55.000 Now, mind you, this is not him taking chauffeur cars for a Napa wine tour or him taking chauffeur cars to go visit celebrity homes in Beverly Hills with his friends.

00:15:05.000 This is for a business purpose.

00:15:06.000 Remember, James O'Keeffe receives a lot of death threats.

00:15:08.000 He has a lot of people trying to literally kill him.

00:15:10.000 He has the biggest power sources that are trying to come after him.

00:15:14.000 And so for $375 a day of travel, that's just of travel.

00:15:19.000 That's not counting the actual calendar year because you could divide it and that moving average would actually go down way more significantly, far more significantly, if you actually took the entire span of that for the security needs and the efficiency.

00:15:33.000 Look, chauffeur cars, not my thing.

00:15:35.000 I actually prefer renting a car.

00:15:36.000 I think it's more flexible, but I get why James O'Keefe would want to do that.

00:15:40.000 It makes perfect sense.

00:15:41.000 I think it's completely and totally justifiable.

00:15:44.000 By the way, he's raising $20 to $22 million a year.

00:15:46.000 And let me say this again.

00:15:47.000 This is not personal endurement.

00:15:49.000 This is a business expense, meaning he's going to go raise money.

00:15:53.000 Again, I told the anecdote last hour where I was in a living room in Palm Beach with a donor I adore, and James O'Keefe was finishing the meeting and I was coming in.

00:16:03.000 Again, we were both building our organizations.

00:16:05.000 And James, I was like, hey, James, what do you have next?

00:16:07.000 He said, well, I have three meetings.

00:16:08.000 I got to go meet with two more donors and meet with a source.

00:16:11.000 And I got to go catch the last flight to Newark.

00:16:13.000 And I have a car waiting for me outside.

00:16:16.000 That was one of these black cars that they're attacking and made perfect sense to me.

00:16:21.000 By the way, the reason you do that is so you don't have to worry about calling an Uber.

00:16:24.000 You're more efficient.

00:16:25.000 It's very secure.

00:16:27.000 And you're able to bring more people into the car.

00:16:29.000 You're able to travel as a group.

00:16:31.000 And that's the other thing.

00:16:32.000 It's not just for James.

00:16:33.000 James was probably traveling with editors, other fundraisers, development staff.

00:16:36.000 So if you add it all up, the combined cost, if they all would have had to rent separate cars, would have been more.

00:16:41.000 It's actually not that much, $375 a day for cars of travel.

00:16:45.000 I know that might seem a lot to some of you, but running a $22 million business is you got to spend money to make money.

00:16:51.000 It's a fact.

00:16:52.000 And that's why you're removing James O'Keefe from his leadership position is preposterous.

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00:17:57.000 Yesterday, Twitter was sent ablaze, not only on the Project Veritas story, but also this tweet by Marjorie Taylor Greene, great patriot.

00:18:11.000 She said, I want to make sure I read it correctly here. 1.00

00:18:14.000 Yep, we need a national divorce. 1.00

00:18:15.000 We need to separate by red states and blue states and shrink the federal government. 0.91

00:18:18.000 Everyone I talk to says this from the sick and disgusting woke culture issue shoved down our throats to the Democrats Traitorous America last policies.

00:18:25.000 We are, and then it goes dot, dot, dot.

00:18:26.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene sent out clarifying tweets afterwards.

00:18:29.000 And I'm curious because I do agree with her in part of this, and we'll talk about it.

00:18:34.000 Congresswoman Green, welcome to the program.

00:18:37.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:18:37.000 Thanks for having me on today.

00:18:39.000 Always explain what you meant by the need for a national divorce.

00:18:44.000 Well, it's actually a terrible thing to talk about, but you see, it's sort of like we're in a marriage, the left and the right.

00:18:52.000 Only one side of this marriage has no respect for the other.

00:18:56.000 The left has no respect for the right anymore.

00:18:58.000 The left, they have their different ideologies, their policies, their beliefs that exist in regards to culture, religion, identity, politics is a major part of their beliefs.

00:19:12.000 They even believe differently than us on how the economy should run, the types of energy that we should all have to use, how hiring practices are done in corporations and businesses with environmental social governance.

00:19:27.000 We can't be further apart these days.

00:19:30.000 And everyone I know, and my world and my circle of friends and influence is with regular people, Charlie.

00:19:37.000 I don't run around.

00:19:39.000 Most of my friends are not politicians or aren't even involved in politics.

00:19:43.000 They're regular Americans, and they are so sick and tired and fed up with just the beliefs that the left have being shoved down our throats to the point where they want to make sure that every school child is taught gender lies, that children should be able to change their gender, cutting off body parts.

00:20:04.000 They do not respect our traditional values, our faith.

00:20:08.000 They believe that Christians should be forced to go along with their practices and what they want done.

00:20:16.000 They don't care about people, you know, private businesses want to hire based on characteristics and someone's ability to do the job.

00:20:24.000 Well, no, the Democrats and the left want businesses to have to hire based on skin color, ethnenticity, or even what gender they identify.

00:20:34.000 And it's gotten to a point where we can't even agree on anything anymore.

00:20:37.000 And it is hurting everyone.

00:20:39.000 And people I know are sick and tired of it.

00:20:42.000 Now we're also in trouble.

00:20:43.000 The federal government is over $34 trillion in debt and we're on the verge of defaulting on our debt and the right and left are to blame for that.

00:20:51.000 Well, I think we're getting to a point where we really need to talk about solutions to this problem.

00:20:57.000 We don't want a civil war.

00:20:58.000 That's the last thing we want in our country.

00:21:01.000 As a matter of fact, we want to be able to respect each other and get along, but we also need to do, you know, to really look at major changes.

00:21:09.000 What is a national problem?

00:21:10.000 What does a national divorce look like in your estimation?

00:21:16.000 Well, a national divorce is not a civil war.

00:21:18.000 It's actually separating by red states and blue states and making state rights and state power a lot stronger than it is right now. 0.96

00:21:28.000 It would be shrinking the federal government.

00:21:30.000 For example, we can take education. 0.71

00:21:32.000 Well, if we have a national divorce, there's no need for the Department of Education. 0.99

00:21:36.000 Red states and blue states would be in control of the education in each state.

00:21:40.000 Red states would very likely have traditional education, homeschooling, charter schools, private schools, technical schools.

00:21:50.000 They would not allow any type of gender lies being taught in their schools.

00:21:54.000 LGBTQ woke teachers would be fired and not allowed to teach there.

00:21:59.000 They would allow parents to be able to choose the curriculum instead of school boards that don't respect parents' beliefs and traditional family values.

00:22:09.000 And maybe in blue states, they would have full gender transition schools for their students.

00:22:15.000 I don't know what they would do, but I'm sure their education would look different than ours.

00:22:19.000 No, just to make sure I understand, are you arguing for separate nations?

00:22:25.000 No, not separate nations, not at all, because I believe in the United States of America and don't want to see that go away.

00:22:32.000 I believe that we still need a strong United States military, but the Department of Defense should return to its original charter and intent.

00:22:43.000 You know, and it's supposed its mission is to defend our borders and our national security.

00:22:49.000 And, you know, under what I'm talking about, that's what our Department of Defense would do.

00:22:54.000 It wouldn't be more interested in fighting foreign wars and defending foreign countries' borders.

00:22:59.000 It would defend the United States borders so that each state could exist how it chooses to exist.

00:23:06.000 And I want to stand up for you here, Marjorie, because I think you're actually hitting something really true, which is I share almost nothing in common culturally and sometimes linguistically.

00:23:17.000 Literally, we speak different languages than someone in San Francisco.

00:23:20.000 They think it's okay to teach pornography to eight-year-olds.

00:23:23.000 I think it's reprehensible, evil, and wrong.

00:23:24.000 They think it's okay to have medical mutilation treatment.

00:23:27.000 They think America is systemically racist.

00:23:29.000 They don't believe in the Bill of Rights.

00:23:30.000 I certainly do.

00:23:31.000 And so I think you're right over something super important.

00:23:36.000 They think it's okay to have illegals vote. 0.99

00:23:38.000 I think that's completely wrong.

00:23:40.000 I want to see your cure border.

00:23:41.000 They want a wide open border.

00:23:42.000 Want literally their idea of rehabilitation for drugs is just to give out syringes and needles and to have clinics for people to do that.

00:23:50.000 They're okay with mask mandates, COVID tyranny, and public nudity against all of those things.

00:23:55.000 And so I think what you really committed the crime of noticing yesterday was like, hey, we're kind of already living in two separate countries.

00:24:04.000 Now, I think what got people a little animated and upset is they intentionally wanted to read something that wasn't there and they started talking about secession and sedition.

00:24:14.000 That's really sloppy and lazy because based on what you're telling me right now, as you go deeper and explain it, you're talking about a robust commitment to the restoration of federalism, are you not?

00:24:27.000 Yes, that's actually what this would be.

00:24:29.000 And it would solve many of the problems that we have today.

00:24:32.000 We could allow states like California, if they want illegals to vote in their elections, and fine, you get to do that. 0.68

00:24:40.000 If they choose to allow children to go through a gender transition, then that's, I think that's terrible. 1.00

00:24:48.000 I completely disagree with it, but we wouldn't intercede in their laws.

00:24:53.000 And then we would also allow red states to, say, for example, to support police officers, pay them better, not allow them to be viewed as racist thugs, allow gun owners to protect themselves and defend themselves and their property without being worried that they're going to go to jail for stopping a criminal from violating them or murdering them or someone in their family.

00:25:19.000 This would help red states be crime free and blue states, well, they could abolish the police if they want to, because that's what Democrat lawmakers talk about.

00:25:29.000 They talk about abolishing the police.

00:25:31.000 Okay.

00:25:32.000 And then each left and right can live in the policies and the consequences of what they choose to make law.

00:25:39.000 So this is important because one side is actually okay with San Francisco.

00:25:46.000 Not okay, but we kind of say, not my problem, not my area.

00:25:50.000 Public nudity in San Francisco or chazz in Seattle or widespread vagrancy in Portland.

00:25:57.000 We don't support it.

00:25:58.000 We don't encourage it.

00:26:00.000 But also if we live in Nashville or we live in, you know, Birmingham, Alabama, we say just don't bring it here. 0.99

00:26:06.000 However, the left does not have that belief.

00:26:08.000 They want to almost through a colonialist mindset, they're mad that Ron DeSantis is able to make prudent changes to curriculum.

00:26:18.000 They want to impose it through that.

00:26:20.000 And so in some ways, we want to have a ceasefire.

00:26:24.000 We're okay with that.

00:26:25.000 Just don't bring your creepy, weird ideas to our towns and our counties.

00:26:31.000 But the left, this is where I'm a little bit, I push back a little bit, Marjorie.

00:26:36.000 I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I don't think the left would ever stop.

00:26:40.000 I don't think they'll ever stop trying to invade our states or our counties.

00:26:44.000 So how do we stop them?

00:26:46.000 Well, I think that, you know, red states could choose in how they allow people to vote in their states.

00:26:52.000 For example, over the past couple of years, we've seen a mass exodus from California and New York, where we've seen people fleeing those leftist policies and moving to states like Florida, Georgia, Texas, states where they like the tax policies.

00:27:11.000 They like the schools.

00:27:13.000 They like the consequences of Republican and Red policies.

00:27:17.000 What I think would be something that some red states could propose is, well, okay, if Democrat voters choose to flee these blue states where they cannot tolerate the living conditions, they don't want their children taught these horrible things and they really change their mind on the types of policies that they support.

00:27:36.000 Well, once they move to a red state, guess what?

00:27:39.000 Maybe you don't get to vote for five years.

00:27:41.000 You can live there, you can work there, but you don't get to bring your values that you basically created in the blue states you came from by voting for Democrat leaders and Democrat policies.

00:27:54.000 But this would be up to red states to be able to choose to do something like that so that their red states don't get changed, which is what's happening, unfortunately, when Democrat voters leave their Democrat states and they take their Democrat votes with them.

00:28:10.000 That would be something that these red states would have to really consider and choose to do.

00:28:14.000 But I'm a big believer in freedom, Charlie, but I'm also a big believer in defending our ability to pursue life and liberty and happiness.

00:28:25.000 And the left is completely destroying that for those of us on the right.

00:28:28.000 One of the things I will say is that Republicans should be very careful to invite major corporations to re-domicile their workers into some of their suburban corridors, especially in Tarrant County, Texas, which is suburban Dallas, in Chandler, Arizona.

00:28:49.000 I think it's way overdone.

00:28:51.000 And I think that it brings in people that do not share your values.

00:28:55.000 That kind of big tech re-domiciling program looks good on paper.

00:29:00.000 It looks great for property values and tax revenues and all of that.

00:29:03.000 However, when you do it too quickly, and I call them ribbon-cutting Republicans, they're really happy to keep on cutting those ribbons of HP or Salesforce or Dropbox or Apple or Google to have these satellite companies.

00:29:18.000 But they are going to move tens of thousands of workers and they are largely left-wing and they change the fabric of those states.

00:29:26.000 So, Congressman Green, I want to make sure I understood you correctly.

00:29:29.000 Were you saying that we should have a cooling off period to say people should not be able to vote for a couple years if they move from a blue state to a red state?

00:29:40.000 It would be something I would highly recommend with the mass exodus of states like California and New York, where people that have lived in these Democrat states all their lives and really just don't know any other way.

00:29:52.000 But then when they move somewhere like Florida or Georgia or Texas or another red state and they just really, they always love it and they are just praising how wonderful it is.

00:30:02.000 But yet at election time, they turn around and vote Democrat like they always have.

00:30:06.000 Well, they really are like newcomers ruining our beautiful red states and trying to change the values that we have. 1.00

00:30:14.000 And I think a smart thing for Republican states to do would be say, you know what, we love for you to move here.

00:30:21.000 We welcome you to our state.

00:30:23.000 And if you like the way it is, we want to keep it that way.

00:30:27.000 So a cooling period would be great.

00:30:29.000 You can still vote in federal elections, but maybe we don't want you to vote in our state elections for a while.

00:30:35.000 And that's something that they could do.

00:30:37.000 And a national divorce, I don't know, give them maybe five years, three to five years to realize and learn why the red states are the way they are. 0.78

00:30:45.000 And it's because of Republican votes, not Democrat votes.

00:30:50.000 If you can hear the screaming, that is the ACLU already preemptively filing a lawsuit.

00:30:56.000 So let me ask you, though, Marjorie, you do have experience with Republicans creating tax incentives and tax credits to basically re-domicile Hollywood to Georgia.

00:31:07.000 I think this is a story that doesn't get enough attention.

00:31:10.000 I want to, what you just said is very spicy and definitely interesting from a thought experiment standpoint.

00:31:15.000 But I want to defend why you're saying it, because you've seen the fabric of Georgia change because of people like Will Farrell and the Hollywood cabal going to Georgia because it was so attractive financially.

00:31:28.000 Tell us the story of how Republicans created a mini Hollywood in Georgia that led to really two blue Senate seats and Joe Biden getting electoral votes from Georgia.

00:31:39.000 Well, that's exactly it, Charlie, is a little more than 10 years ago here in Georgia, Republican lawmakers thought it would be a great idea to offer tax credits to Hollywood filmmakers to come to Georgia to make movies.

00:31:51.000 Maybe it's been 15 years now.

00:31:53.000 Well, this is a lot of us in Georgia that have lived here all our lives feel like that was a major mistake because we don't like Hollywood's values.

00:32:01.000 We don't like their abortion on demand.

00:32:03.000 We don't like the things that they want to teach our children and show our children on their movies.

00:32:10.000 And we really want those things to stay in Hollywood and not be exported to Georgia.

00:32:15.000 But that's exactly what happened when Georgia offered these tax credits to Hollywood.

00:32:19.000 Movie makers, they came to Georgia.

00:32:21.000 They loved it so much.

00:32:22.000 They loved the tax credits and they stayed.

00:32:25.000 And now we've seen a big change in our Georgia elections.

00:32:29.000 We have two Democrat senators representing Georgia and no longer Republican senators.

00:32:36.000 And we are a state that I would say we're a little bit more purple than I like.

00:32:42.000 We've had to fight off Stacey Abrams twice now, even though she still thought she was governor for quite some time.

00:32:49.000 But this is the problems.

00:32:50.000 And I agree with you.

00:32:51.000 And this is a mistake that a lot of Republican states do is they say, we're going to bring in jobs.

00:32:56.000 We're bringing in business.

00:32:57.000 And then they offer these tax credits to woke industries and woke corporations.

00:33:03.000 And five to 10 years down the road, the people that were born and raised there don't recognize their cities or counties and their states anymore because they move into your state and they bring their Democrat votes with them.

00:33:16.000 And I think this is something that, say, if we ended up in a national divorce situation, well, red states could stop that from happening by changing their voting laws and say, we welcome you to live here, but we just don't want you to bring your votes with you for a little while.

00:33:30.000 We want you to learn and understand why this is the way it is.

00:33:35.000 It's a very important point.

00:33:37.000 And this is why Republican governors and legislatures need to have a higher purpose than just economic growth.

00:33:45.000 If all you have is economic growth as a reason as to why you are elected, that is not a good thing.

00:33:51.000 So people say, well, Charlie, what is a good way to be able to deter bad guys from coming to your states and keep your people?

00:33:58.000 Gun racks.

00:34:01.000 It freaks them out.

00:34:02.000 You think I'm kidding?

00:34:03.000 If they see people, they lose their mind.

00:34:06.000 20 seconds.

00:34:07.000 Okay, another one is, how about let's keep our jobs in America instead of exporting them overseas?

00:34:12.000 If we want to grow our economies and grow our job growth in our states and in our country, then we should be passing laws, states, state laws, and tax regulations and cutting red tape to be able for companies to grow their industries based on the populations and the people here, not based on slave labor or jobs or how cheap they can make it overseas.

00:34:36.000 I think that'd be a big step in the right direction, too. 0.95

00:34:38.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene went viral yesterday calling for a national divorce.

00:34:42.000 And I think we have clarity on it.

00:34:44.000 A restoration of federalism and a constitutional reset.

00:34:47.000 Marjorie, God bless you.

00:34:48.000 Thank you so much.

00:34:50.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:34:52.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:53.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:56.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 22, 2023

Does America Need a National Divorce? with Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Julaine Appling

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