00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, we have a great conversation here with Pierre Wilson from Blexit.com, a project of Turning Point USA.
00:00:17.000On the website, you'll see Blexit, powered by Turning Point USA, focuses on shifting culture through live events, thoughtful grassroots organizing, and inspiring educational initiatives.
00:00:28.000Blexit stands for the Black Exit from the Victimhood Mentality.
00:00:32.000If you guys want to donate to Blexit, you can do so at blexit.com.
00:01:17.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:26.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:02:45.000But last year, I'll tell you what, we merged with Turning Point, everything that we had been building over the last couple of years just took off.
00:02:51.000We had a record number of grassroots activism days.
00:02:54.000I think we're right around 1,000 last year, which is incredible, considering, again, a lot of our ground team is volunteers.
00:03:02.000These people are passionate, that passionate about the cause and saving this country that they volunteer their time to help carry out the mission locally.
00:03:10.000The Liberate, we had two liberation shows.
00:03:50.000You know, not to criticize any other groups, but I don't think there are any other efforts like this with full-time staff and a sense of urgency.
00:03:59.000Is there anything that exists like this on the right?
00:04:02.000I remember when I first, you know, when Candace first hired me and I started to look at, you know, some of the other organizations out there who focused in Minority America.
00:04:11.000And, you know, I was inspired by some of them, and I was like, oh, it'd be great if Blexit can get that big one day.
00:04:16.000I want to push to be bigger than that, actually.
00:04:18.000But I looked up to them, and I'm not going to name any names, and I'm not here to throw any shade on those groups.
00:04:22.000But I'll say this: I look at it now, and I don't, we're leading the way.
00:05:15.000You know, we're very unique in what we do.
00:05:17.000And I think we have organizations down calling us and trying to poach our people, you know, because I think the cream of the crop is with Blexit and Turning Point.
00:06:31.000And what I've been super happy with, and you have a great reputation around here at Turning Point, how great everyone is working together, and it's a shared mission.
00:06:38.000And we have some really fun stuff coming up over the summer.
00:06:41.000And so, Pierre, I want to ask you about the front lines.
00:06:44.000Again, you are going, you are having conversations that are difficult.
00:06:48.000And one of the reasons I would think that Black America has been so monolithically to the left is that these conversations have been happening.
00:06:56.000But the value system of Black America presents a potential opportunity to do better when it becomes family values, pro-life, faith, belief in God, hard work, all these things that a little conversation can move the dial a little bit.
00:07:09.000And so let me just start here because there's so much to dive into here.
00:07:15.000What are you hearing from the front lines?
00:07:17.000So what I think people don't know is that, you know, you look at so many different polls.
00:07:23.000Black America is one of the most faith-based groups in the country.
00:07:27.000I mean, many of them were raised in the church.
00:07:30.000They have a lot of conservative values.
00:07:31.000I think we've lost our way for a lot of different reasons, which we can get into.
00:07:37.000But what we're finding is that it's not so much that they aren't conservative, it's that they haven't, like you said earlier, people haven't really had these conversations from this perspective.
00:07:46.000So it's not that they are against conservatism, they're against the values that we stand for.
00:07:50.000It's that no one took the time to explain it this way.
00:07:53.000And then, just to kind of paint the picture for people out there, you know, you go to school, it's your teachers, your professors, they're all left-wing.
00:08:52.000Almost 90, over 90% of the time, these people were identifying with more conservative values than liberal ones when there was no labels, no nothing attached to it.
00:08:59.000And that lets you know that these people in black America have just been led astray.
00:09:03.000And I think the way the left got in there is through culture.
00:09:06.000So Blexit uses culture to get to get into Black America.
00:09:10.000So if you come to like a Blexit event, for example, a liberation show, you'll notice it's very upbeat, right?
00:09:20.000I don't mind three-piece suits, by the way, guys, but you're not going to just be in a hotel room with a three-piece suit, someone just preaching at you.
00:09:26.000Yeah, it's going to be very vibrant, but you're going to hear messages in a way that you hadn't heard it before.
00:09:32.000And we are finding that people are receptive to these messages.
00:09:36.000And just to give you another example, obviously on college campuses, you know, to have an event on the campus, the club needs to typically invite you.
00:09:44.000So when we didn't have a club, we couldn't get in front of these students.
00:10:30.000And some are small, some are pretty big.
00:10:32.000And some of the best content I've seen, you know, sending Savannah out there and others is really mixing it up sometimes with these HBCUs.
00:10:39.000And I want to talk more about that because part of what is necessary and what Candace has taught us and what Brandon has taught us, sometimes you have to make the difficult arguments.
00:10:50.000And sometimes you have to lean into it.
00:10:52.000But, you know, outside of all of what people think, I actually find that black America is more willing to have these conversations than white college-educated liberals.
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00:12:27.000So there were three main points that I think led me to where I'm at today, and I'll walk through them really quickly.
00:12:33.000You know, obviously, I grew up in typical, in a typical black American household.
00:12:37.000You know, I think a lot of black Americans would agree with me that the victimhood mentality was taught, whether our parents meant it or not.
00:12:43.000It was actually taught in our household.
00:12:44.000And people are like, what do you mean by that, Pierre?
00:12:46.000So I was told from a early age that this country wasn't built for people like me, people who were black, right?
00:12:52.000That I would have to work 10 times harder than my white counterparts.
00:12:56.000I would have to watch out for the police.
00:12:58.000It was all these things that were taught to me from a very young age that, you know, you're a child, you're a kid.
00:13:03.000You're going to grow up already thinking like, man, like white people have it better than me.
00:13:07.000So that's why I said whether they meant to teach me that way or not, these are things that young black kids are learning sometimes in their household, right?
00:13:13.000And so I had a very much, I had a victim mentality growing up.
00:13:18.000And there were some key moments where I realized something was different about me, though.
00:15:50.000Yeah, she so this was like before she became really Candace Candace and she was speaking about the single motherhood raid in black America black and black crime all these things in a way that I'd never heard it before and man it was like she has to be lying There's no way she's telling the truth.
00:16:06.000I'm writing stuff down Charlie I have like a notebook.
00:16:08.000I'm like, oh, I'm gonna fact check all.
00:16:10.000You have never heard any of that, not the way she was saying it, not at all, not at all.
00:17:04.000Sounds like a small thing was a very big thing.
00:17:07.000I spoke about my conservative values and I got torn apart.
00:17:10.000In my Facebook status I had people saying I was being paid.
00:17:13.000They're like oh, you must be paid by the white man now.
00:17:15.000And people calling me names, people I've known for years.
00:17:17.000These people know my character, they know who I am and they were just that quick on a dime attacking me.
00:17:24.000So for a lot of people, that'll make them want to stop that.
00:17:27.000That's frightening, that's like, oh my gosh, I don't want to speak up again.
00:17:30.000For me, it did the opposite and that's what got me fired up about Blexit.
00:17:33.000So, but you, you dug in, I dug in, I did.
00:17:36.000I was like man I'm, I'm not gonna back down.
00:17:39.000It made me madder, it made me more fired up to do this.
00:17:41.000And at the time I just got Blexit just got started.
00:17:45.000I think they did a show in Los Angeles.
00:17:46.000You know I think I was there yeah, and I said man, this needs to be brought to the ground.
00:17:51.000You know I love what they're doing, but this needs to be, this message needs to be spread everywhere.
00:17:55.000So at the time and thank God, you know, Candace I encourage people not to do exactly what I did, because she honestly probably could have sued me for doing this.
00:18:01.000But at the time I like printed material off the Blexit site, created my own flyers, got two friends who I met through some conservative groups and we started door knocking.
00:18:10.000We were door knocking, we were trying to get people to become a true believer man, a true like.
00:18:27.000There's no way that people who have known me my entire life, people who I've helped throughout my life, are now so quickly attacking me on a dime because of my conservative beliefs.
00:18:36.000This is control, if I've ever seen it like.
00:18:39.000You know, you know my character, you know who I am, you know I'm not crazy, but yet you're calling me crazy because I have conservative beliefs.
00:18:45.000Like that's a problem to me, you know, and no one should feel like this ever again.
00:18:50.000So that's what also inspired me to want to create a space where people it would be normal to see black conservatives, would be normal to see this around right.
00:18:57.000And so when we started uh door knocking, we were planning for our first event.
00:19:01.000Our first event only had about three of us There, well, six counting the three of us.
00:20:47.000You just made me think about it because being a status stranger from the family is you would think that you'd be setting, you'd be in federal prison or something.
00:22:41.000They know that 90% of permanent change comes from the mind, and they work on eliminating the reason you gain this weight in the first place.
00:22:47.000There's no shortcuts, pills, or injections, just solid science-based nutrition and behavior change.
00:22:51.000And finally, probably most importantly, I lost 30 pounds.
00:23:58.000What are the points that are persuasive for, let's just say, a 60-year-old black American who has just said, I'm a Democrat, I'm on the left, and that's the way it is.
00:24:08.000I think it's important to ask them why right away, because you realize pretty quickly that it's an emotional for what I've, what we've found, is most of this is an emotional response to what they think they're supposed to, like they, oh, maybe the Republicans are racist, or it's something that doesn't have anything to do with actual policy or how the Democrats have actually helped black America, right?
00:24:38.000It's like, oh, it must be an election cycle, right?
00:24:39.000It's something that makes them think that the Democrats somehow care more about black people than the right does.
00:24:48.000But when you really sit down and you really dig into why most, and I'm confident in saying this, most cannot really name anything that they feel like the Democrats have actually done to improve black America.
00:25:02.000We always make the case that, hey, local elections matter just as much, if not more, than national elections in every predominantly black city.
00:25:12.000So if you think that your life is somehow not going well, how long has the Democrat Party controlled, you know, just so everyone knows?
00:25:20.000And I just want to make sure everyone understands.
00:25:23.000Every city council seat in Chicago, every city council seat in Detroit, every city council seat in Cleveland, every city council seat in Philadelphia, and every city council seat in Baltimore is Democrat.
00:25:34.000Yet they're complaining about the way their life is.
00:25:39.000And then they have no, typically they have no comeback really for that because a lot of people don't even think about it from that perspective.
00:25:44.000They look at it like, oh, well, Republicans, okay, Republicans don't have a say in your city, most likely.
00:25:49.000They can't even, they're trying, they would love to have a chance to prove to you that they can do better than Democrats.
00:25:57.000So I think when you really dig in, a lot of them don't even know why they're actually Democrats besides some type of emotional response that probably centers around racism or support for police or something that's an emotional reaction.
00:26:09.000And that's what the left has understood.
00:26:11.000Again, you notice the left never really talks policy positions.
00:26:14.000They don't want that debate with black conservatives.
00:27:09.000Because that is the scarlet letter of American politics.
00:27:15.000I think the number one thing is to not answer to anything that doesn't belong to you.
00:27:19.000So if you're not a racist, you know you're not a racist, don't own that.
00:27:22.000Don't just, I feel like people sometimes think, because we have one thing about Blexis is we have people from every background that are also a part of this mission.
00:27:31.000We're not BLM, where it's just going to be black people only.
00:29:08.000Because that's what conservatives are saying.
00:29:09.000We're saying that we believe that you can do it on your own better than any government program.
00:29:14.000Yes, and I also think the framing sometimes is wrong, which is it shouldn't always, it can be partially, hey, what has the Republican Party or Democrat Party done for me?
00:29:23.000It also should be, what can we do for ourselves?
00:30:18.000And the fact that you have the president going out there saying there's no issue, the border's safe, secure, fine, people aren't seeing that.
00:30:26.000They see the truth of what's happening out there.
00:30:31.000And I think also just in general, the two presidencies, I know we were upset.
00:30:35.000I know we were upset about 2020, but in a way, the way I look back on it, I think it almost needed to happen because now people are seeing a direct contrast between what it was like under President Trump versus what it's like under President Biden, Biden.
00:31:46.000And when we were doing content on the HBCUs and we spoke to some of the alumni as well, that topic came up, and every single one of them were against it.
00:31:54.000I mean, you're mutilating children at this point, you know, and these kids are still finding themselves.
00:32:01.000I saw on my way here on the plane, there was a young girl, and she looked like a tomboy.
00:32:05.000And I didn't, for one second, think, oh, that must be someone that wants to transition into a boy.
00:32:10.000She's just probably going through a tomboy phase.
00:33:00.000Who wanted to see the destruction of the nuclear family?
00:33:03.000It was one of their pillars until they removed it from the website.
00:33:06.000They got a lot of heat from that and they removed it from the website.
00:33:08.000So, you know, I think people are also seeing Black Lives Matter for what it is.
00:33:11.000You get a lot of credit for that candidate.
00:33:13.000I mean, people that brought attention to the scam that the organization is, they adopted a name that resonated well with Black America, but the actual group and their beliefs, when people started digging in, they realized it was their frauds.
00:33:54.000I mean, I know you agree, but unity or healing or reconciliation, if that's really your goal, I mean, you want some sort of strange, quasi-religious penance where white people have to take a knee?
00:36:08.000So, Pierre, this is just for my own curiosity because I did hear some objections here that I'm a white guy, so I'm not allowed to comment on race issues.
00:36:20.000What is your response when you hear that?
00:36:21.000I think, so can black people not comment on white issues?
00:38:50.000I remember reading a book about him even in my younger years before I even went through my red pill journey and thinking this man was great.
00:40:48.000It would still be a heavy lift for sure, but I think it would make it easier because representation, whether we like it or not, for many in black American representatives.
00:41:05.000Yeah, but when we first go in, we are aware that's important to them, right?
00:41:10.000So for that reason alone, I think it helps.
00:41:13.000But also, again, just going back to that point I made, many of them heard about the great man that he was before he ever got involved in politics, so it's not far-fetched for them.
00:41:32.000I remember we talked about Ben Carson when I was in sixth or seventh grade, and he was lifted up as a Black History Month civil rights icon.
00:41:40.000When I was in government school in the suburbs of Chicago, they'd show this guy, Ben Carson.
00:41:44.000They say he's one of the most successful doctors in the country.
00:41:47.000And now he's hated and vilified by the media, which I think could red pill some people, right?
00:41:51.000But his demeanor is so-oh, it's so godly, isn't it?
00:41:57.000Yes, but he's also a perfect fit for, that's why he's also a perfect fit for Trump as well.
00:42:03.000So you have Trump who is, you know, as he's the star.
00:42:06.000He's the Baraka, as Curtis Yarvin would say, which is kind of like this overly magnanimous figure.
00:42:12.000And then calm, cool, and collected Ben Carson.
00:42:14.000And he would, he would, I would love to see him in a debate against Kamala because Ben Carson's incredibly intelligent, and he would wipe the floor with her without even really raising his voice.
00:42:26.000In closing, let's talk about 2024, all the work that Blexit is doing.
00:42:29.000It's Blexit.com, hiring more people, doing more things, Brexit liberation stuff.
00:42:35.000We're doing leadership conferences, your community events.
00:42:38.000You guys have a great presence on social media.
00:42:40.000I should say we because we're all together now.
00:42:43.000So just brag on Blexit for two minutes.
00:42:45.000We're going to, so a record-breaking year last year, we're going to do a bigger this year where we have some things.
00:42:50.000Obviously, I don't want to, can't announce everything yet, have some meetings, some things that we're going to talk about, but plan on something really big from Blexit this year, I think, that we'll do that may cause the media to lose their mind and pull out their hair.
00:43:52.000We're excited about what we were able to accomplish last year in this HBCUs, and now we're feeling so confident, it's huge, about our ability to be able to break.
00:44:00.000Look, I have a heart for the black community.
00:44:04.000And it's just been so terrible to see left-wing, Marxist, secular, godless leaders and policies destroy what should be a much more vibrant, wealthy, successful part of America.
00:44:16.000And if I could say one thing to your audience, I just want to back up what you just said.
00:44:21.000Charlie, I mean, you and your team have been extremely supportive.
00:44:26.000I mean, we're now part of this family.
00:44:28.000I always have to remind myself I'm part of Turning Points Alice.
00:44:30.000But since the moment we came in, I mean, you guys have been nothing short of supporters.
00:44:34.000So anybody saying you're racist, anything, I'm telling you right now, that's further from the truth.