The Charlie Kirk Show - Does Ben Carson Deserve a Holiday More than MLK?

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, we have a great conversation here with Pierre Wilson from Blexit.com, a project of Turning Point USA.

00:00:08.000 Really great.

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00:00:10.000 It's blexit.com, B-L-E-X-I-T dot com.

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00:00:17.000 On the website, you'll see Blexit, powered by Turning Point USA, focuses on shifting culture through live events, thoughtful grassroots organizing, and inspiring educational initiatives.

00:00:28.000 Blexit stands for the Black Exit from the Victimhood Mentality.

00:00:32.000 If you guys want to donate to Blexit, you can do so at blexit.com.

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00:00:55.000 There very well might be something significant, long-lasting happening in Black America. 0.99

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00:02:03.000 Pierre, how you doing?

00:02:04.000 I'm great, Charlie.

00:02:05.000 It's great to be on.

00:02:06.000 Thank you for having me.

00:02:07.000 Yeah, you're doing a great job, man.

00:02:09.000 I just want to say he's running Blexit, and we have brought our forces together.

00:02:14.000 We have.

00:02:15.000 And give us an update from the front line.

00:02:16.000 Tell us the story of Blexit.

00:02:18.000 Tell us what's going on.

00:02:19.000 Yeah, well, you know, Blexit, I'll start with Blexit had a record-breaking year last year.

00:02:23.000 And a lot of that has to do with the merger with Turning Point USA.

00:02:26.000 So for those who don't know, obviously, Blexit was originally founded by Candace and Brandon.

00:02:29.000 I think Turning Point had a big hand in that.

00:02:31.000 I feel like it was meant when we came together because you guys were a big part of the launch.

00:02:36.000 So for the last couple of years, Blexit has been building a ground game.

00:02:38.000 We have 47 chapters, 46 states plus DC.

00:02:42.000 We've had national events, our liberation tours.

00:02:44.000 We're on college campuses.

00:02:45.000 But last year, I'll tell you what, we merged with Turning Point, everything that we had been building over the last couple of years just took off.

00:02:51.000 We had a record number of grassroots activism days.

00:02:54.000 I think we're right around 1,000 last year, which is incredible, considering, again, a lot of our ground team is volunteers.

00:03:01.000 A lot of people don't know that.

00:03:02.000 These people are passionate, that passionate about the cause and saving this country that they volunteer their time to help carry out the mission locally.

00:03:10.000 The Liberate, we had two liberation shows.

00:03:12.000 They tried to cancel us in Brooklyn.

00:03:14.000 Yeah, we should talk about that.

00:03:15.000 They tried to cancel us and we didn't let them.

00:03:17.000 We had two successful ones last year.

00:03:19.000 And then we, for the first time, we really got onto HBCUs, historically by colleges and universities.

00:03:24.000 I remember when we first launched that initiative to try to get into HBCUs, they said, oh, don't do that.

00:03:30.000 It's like a lion's den.

00:03:31.000 You'll never get on HBCUs.

00:03:33.000 And here we are.

00:03:34.000 We now have three clubs.

00:03:35.000 We did six stops.

00:03:35.000 We have three clubs.

00:03:36.000 We're going to do some more stops this year.

00:03:39.000 So, yeah, we're out there, Charlie.

00:03:41.000 We're trying to move the needle in Black America. 1.00

00:03:42.000 Well, you guys are, and the public opinion polling shows that Blexit is making a big difference.

00:03:48.000 And let's just look at the landscape.

00:03:50.000 You know, not to criticize any other groups, but I don't think there are any other efforts like this with full-time staff and a sense of urgency.

00:03:59.000 Is there anything that exists like this on the right?

00:04:01.000 Anything close?

00:04:02.000 There's nothing close.

00:04:02.000 I remember when I first, you know, when Candace first hired me and I started to look at, you know, some of the other organizations out there who focused in Minority America.

00:04:11.000 And, you know, I was inspired by some of them, and I was like, oh, it'd be great if Blexit can get that big one day.

00:04:16.000 I want to push to be bigger than that, actually.

00:04:18.000 But I looked up to them, and I'm not going to name any names, and I'm not here to throw any shade on those groups.

00:04:22.000 But I'll say this: I look at it now, and I don't, we're leading the way.

00:04:26.000 Yes, you are.

00:04:27.000 And you deserve a lot of credit for that.

00:04:28.000 I thank you.

00:04:29.000 I thank God too because where my life was before and the journey I went on is all credit to Christ for sure.

00:04:35.000 But I'll say, you know, you look at some of these groups, I think what we see is it's like a celebration of black conservatism.

00:04:41.000 They just celebrate themselves.

00:04:42.000 So one year, you know, you go to a banquet with them one year.

00:04:44.000 You realize the next year you're going to a banquet, you see the same people.

00:04:47.000 The next year you see the same people.

00:04:48.000 And I think what's special about Blexit is year over year, you're going to see so many new faces involved in the movement.

00:04:54.000 Even our leadership conference, you compare pictures from this one to the one from last year to the one before that.

00:04:58.000 You're going to see a bunch of new faces in those pictures.

00:05:02.000 So, you know, we pride ourselves on spending more time with people who disagree with us than spending time with people who do.

00:05:09.000 And to me, that's what we should be doing.

00:05:11.000 We're truly trying to move a needle.

00:05:14.000 So I think Blexit's unique.

00:05:15.000 You know, we're very unique in what we do.

00:05:17.000 And I think we have organizations down calling us and trying to poach our people, you know, because I think the cream of the crop is with Blexit and Turning Point.

00:05:24.000 Oh, it is.

00:05:25.000 And it's Blexit.com if you guys want to support.

00:05:27.000 And this merger between Turning Point USA, just talk about that, Pierre.

00:05:30.000 We were able to bring in graphic design support, just any sort of reinforcements.

00:05:36.000 And I think it's been this amazing force multiplier.

00:05:39.000 Now that it's over a year, just about around a year, we now are seeing this success.

00:05:43.000 It's been remarkable.

00:05:44.000 Well, we had such a small staff before Turning Point and merging with Turning Point, all the resources that Turning Point has.

00:05:51.000 It's really just, like I said, everything that we were doing, it just went to the next level.

00:05:55.000 Being able to get graphic designs, people don't understand, just having flyers for our chapters to be able to have material right away.

00:06:02.000 All those things matter.

00:06:03.000 You know, you don't want to send someone out there with a couple handful of flyers and expect them to reach people.

00:06:09.000 You want them to be able to be equipped with resources and just having to support, even the faith team, NFP, events.

00:06:15.000 I mean, everything you've built here, Charlie, I think is incredible.

00:06:17.000 And we've benefited from it.

00:06:19.000 Well, it's a beautiful mix.

00:06:20.000 And, you know, Candace and Brandon, we all have a shared story.

00:06:24.000 And, you know, it's just kind of all made sense.

00:06:27.000 Sister organizations is kind of like we were already a one big family.

00:06:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:31.000 And what I've been super happy with, and you have a great reputation around here at Turning Point, how great everyone is working together, and it's a shared mission.

00:06:38.000 And we have some really fun stuff coming up over the summer.

00:06:41.000 And so, Pierre, I want to ask you about the front lines.

00:06:44.000 Again, you are going, you are having conversations that are difficult.

00:06:48.000 And one of the reasons I would think that Black America has been so monolithically to the left is that these conversations have been happening.

00:06:56.000 But the value system of Black America presents a potential opportunity to do better when it becomes family values, pro-life, faith, belief in God, hard work, all these things that a little conversation can move the dial a little bit.

00:07:09.000 And so let me just start here because there's so much to dive into here.

00:07:13.000 Give us the status report.

00:07:15.000 What are you hearing from the front lines?

00:07:17.000 So what I think people don't know is that, you know, you look at so many different polls.

00:07:23.000 Black America is one of the most faith-based groups in the country.

00:07:27.000 I mean, many of them were raised in the church.

00:07:30.000 They have a lot of conservative values.

00:07:31.000 I think we've lost our way for a lot of different reasons, which we can get into.

00:07:37.000 But what we're finding is that it's not so much that they aren't conservative, it's that they haven't, like you said earlier, people haven't really had these conversations from this perspective.

00:07:46.000 So it's not that they are against conservatism, they're against the values that we stand for.

00:07:50.000 It's that no one took the time to explain it this way.

00:07:53.000 And then, just to kind of paint the picture for people out there, you know, you go to school, it's your teachers, your professors, they're all left-wing.

00:08:00.000 A lot of them are left-wing.

00:08:01.000 They're teaching them one way.

00:08:02.000 Unfortunately, family members, mom, dad, they probably learned it from their grandparents.

00:08:06.000 They're now spilling, they're saying the same thing in the household.

00:08:09.000 You turn on the radio, you watch your favorite sport, LeBron James, whoever, they're saying left-wing talking points.

00:08:14.000 And black American people are surrounded by the same voices, they're surrounded by the same talking points.

00:08:20.000 And we're coming in, we're providing a different perspective, a unique way to look at it, and we're just challenging them to think.

00:08:26.000 We're not telling them how to think, challenging them to think.

00:08:28.000 And that's the difference between us and the left.

00:08:30.000 We don't have to control them, we don't have to force anything down their throats.

00:08:33.000 But by challenging them to think through their own research, we are finding that a lot of them are realizing they're conservative.

00:08:38.000 We did one, we did, we did, I guess you can call it a test.

00:08:41.000 We had a sheet and it just listed values, right, that are associated with conservatives and can associated with liberals.

00:08:48.000 We didn't put any party labels, no candidates, nothing on it.

00:08:51.000 Tarl, I'm not even kidding you.

00:08:52.000 Almost 90, over 90% of the time, these people were identifying with more conservative values than liberal ones when there was no labels, no nothing attached to it.

00:08:59.000 And that lets you know that these people in black America have just been led astray. 0.84

00:09:03.000 And I think the way the left got in there is through culture.

00:09:06.000 So Blexit uses culture to get to get into Black America. 0.94

00:09:10.000 So if you come to like a Blexit event, for example, a liberation show, you'll notice it's very upbeat, right?

00:09:15.000 You're going to see bright colors.

00:09:16.000 You're probably going to have some performers.

00:09:17.000 You know, the speeches are going to be upbeat.

00:09:19.000 We're not going to be there.

00:09:20.000 I don't mind three-piece suits, by the way, guys, but you're not going to just be in a hotel room with a three-piece suit, someone just preaching at you.

00:09:25.000 Yeah, that's not going to work.

00:09:26.000 Yeah, it's going to be very vibrant, but you're going to hear messages in a way that you hadn't heard it before.

00:09:32.000 And we are finding that people are receptive to these messages.

00:09:36.000 And just to give you another example, obviously on college campuses, you know, to have an event on the campus, the club needs to typically invite you.

00:09:44.000 So when we didn't have a club, we couldn't get in front of these students.

00:09:46.000 So we found a creative way to do it.

00:09:48.000 For those who don't know, HBCUs are really, their homecomings are huge deals.

00:09:52.000 Like their homecomings brings out thousands of people, alumni, students, you name it.

00:09:58.000 So I said, you know what?

00:09:59.000 We're going to go in doing homecoming.

00:10:01.000 We're going to bring our team.

00:10:02.000 We're going to bring a camera.

00:10:03.000 We're going to bring our influencer.

00:10:04.000 We're going to get in front of these students.

00:10:06.000 And when we got in front of these students, they agreed with so much of what we were saying.

00:10:10.000 I think we have a lot of video content.

00:10:12.000 I think you saw some of it.

00:10:13.000 These people agreeing.

00:10:14.000 So it wasn't a matter of whether we knew they were going to agree or not.

00:10:17.000 It was a matter of getting in front of them and having these conversations.

00:10:19.000 And now that we're able to have these conversations, we're seeing the needle move.

00:10:23.000 People should know, and this is where the turning point intersection works: you're focused on HBCUs. 0.83

00:10:27.000 There's 104 HBCUs in the country.

00:10:28.000 It's a big population.

00:10:29.000 Yeah.

00:10:30.000 Right?

00:10:30.000 And some are small, some are pretty big.

00:10:32.000 And some of the best content I've seen, you know, sending Savannah out there and others is really mixing it up sometimes with these HBCUs. 0.96

00:10:39.000 And I want to talk more about that because part of what is necessary and what Candace has taught us and what Brandon has taught us, sometimes you have to make the difficult arguments.

00:10:49.000 Yes.

00:10:50.000 And sometimes you have to lean into it.

00:10:52.000 But, you know, outside of all of what people think, I actually find that black America is more willing to have these conversations than white college-educated liberals.

00:11:04.000 I would agree.

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00:12:10.000 Let's have you tell your story.

00:12:13.000 Well, you want the long version?

00:12:14.000 Because it's an amazing story.

00:12:18.000 You've had family difficulties with your political views, ideological views.

00:12:23.000 Just kind of give us a little bit of a story there.

00:12:26.000 Yeah, well, I'll tell you this.

00:12:27.000 So there were three main points that I think led me to where I'm at today, and I'll walk through them really quickly.

00:12:33.000 You know, obviously, I grew up in typical, in a typical black American household.

00:12:37.000 You know, I think a lot of black Americans would agree with me that the victimhood mentality was taught, whether our parents meant it or not.

00:12:43.000 It was actually taught in our household.

00:12:44.000 And people are like, what do you mean by that, Pierre?

00:12:46.000 So I was told from a early age that this country wasn't built for people like me, people who were black, right?

00:12:52.000 That I would have to work 10 times harder than my white counterparts. 0.96

00:12:56.000 I would have to watch out for the police.

00:12:58.000 It was all these things that were taught to me from a very young age that, you know, you're a child, you're a kid.

00:13:03.000 You're going to grow up already thinking like, man, like white people have it better than me. 0.50

00:13:07.000 So that's why I said whether they meant to teach me that way or not, these are things that young black kids are learning sometimes in their household, right?

00:13:13.000 And so I had a very much, I had a victim mentality growing up.

00:13:18.000 And there were some key moments where I realized something was different about me, though.

00:13:22.000 And one was when I was in school.

00:13:24.000 I remember my teacher, she gave us an assignment.

00:13:26.000 She said, you know, you're not old enough to vote, but if you could vote for George W. Bush or Al Gore, who would you choose?

00:13:32.000 I want you to research, decide who would you choose, who would you vote for?

00:13:35.000 And I remember, you know, picking Bush.

00:13:37.000 I wasn't worried about party labels at the time.

00:13:38.000 I just liked the guy.

00:13:39.000 I was like, oh, this guy seems pretty good.

00:13:41.000 I like what he stands for over Gore.

00:13:42.000 Wrote the paper.

00:13:43.000 I was proud of it.

00:13:44.000 I was like, I'm going to get a great, good grade on this paper.

00:13:46.000 And I showed my mom.

00:13:47.000 I was all proud to show my mom.

00:13:48.000 And she went down like halfway through the first page.

00:13:51.000 And immediately she's like, absolutely not.

00:13:53.000 You are not turning in this paper. 0.99

00:13:55.000 Republicans are racist. 1.00

00:13:56.000 They don't support black people. 1.00

00:13:58.000 You're not going to turn this paper in. 0.99

00:14:00.000 I went back, I rewrote the paper.

00:14:01.000 Mama's always right, right? 0.79

00:14:02.000 I'm like, she's right.

00:14:03.000 I don't know what I'm talking about.

00:14:04.000 My mom knows.

00:14:05.000 Rewrote the paper.

00:14:06.000 Something felt weird.

00:14:07.000 I'll fast forward to the second moment.

00:14:08.000 I was in college.

00:14:09.000 I attended a historically black college university for three years before graduating elsewhere, University of Maryland Eastern Shore.

00:14:15.000 And then I transferred after my junior year.

00:14:17.000 But when I was there, the election was between Obama and Hillary at the time, the primary.

00:14:22.000 And people don't know this in black America.

00:14:24.000 In black America, the election is the primary.

00:14:27.000 Because whoever comes out of the Democratic side is just who you just line up behind.

00:14:30.000 So it's not the Republican.

00:14:31.000 The primary is the real election for Black America.

00:14:33.000 So it was between Obama and Hillary.

00:14:36.000 And I remember, you know, the mic was going around the room.

00:14:39.000 Mind you, HBCU, 99% of the room is black.

00:14:42.000 They're like, Obama, Obama.

00:14:43.000 The mic gets to me and I'm saying, I said, I don't know who I'm voting for yet.

00:14:47.000 I said, I don't know much about Obama.

00:14:49.000 And forgive me, conservative audience, but I was like, I know a little bit about Clinton, you know.

00:14:55.000 So I know she helped out her husband's administration.

00:14:57.000 She's also a senator.

00:14:58.000 I'm still trying to decide which one I want to vote for.

00:15:00.000 Charlie, the entire room got dead silent.

00:15:03.000 The people in front of me turned around and looked at me, gave me a deaf stare.

00:15:06.000 I could feel the eyes on the back of my neck from the people behind me.

00:15:10.000 And the young lady got the mic behind me and she goes, How can you as a black man not know who you're going to vote for?

00:15:15.000 And I'm looking at her and she's looking at me because I'm like, she must, there must be more to what she's about to say. 0.92

00:15:20.000 No, he's black. 0.54

00:15:22.000 I'm black. 0.85

00:15:22.000 That was that. 0.85

00:15:23.000 I should be voting for Obama.

00:15:24.000 So I'm like, man, what if a white person walked in here and said, I'm voting for Clinton because she's white?

00:15:31.000 What would we feel about that?

00:15:34.000 So I was like, something's weird about this.

00:15:36.000 But I kept going.

00:15:37.000 It wasn't enough to wake me up yet.

00:15:38.000 I'm sorry.

00:15:40.000 But the third and final moment was Candace Owens.

00:15:42.000 You know, I came across a YouTube video.

00:15:44.000 This is early Candace Owens days. 1.00

00:15:45.000 She was like red pill black. 1.00

00:15:46.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:15:47.000 Before, I think the turning point hired.

00:15:48.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:15:49.000 We were just getting started.

00:15:50.000 Yeah, she so this was like before she became really Candace Candace and she was speaking about the single motherhood raid in black America black and black crime all these things in a way that I'd never heard it before and man it was like she has to be lying There's no way she's telling the truth. 0.96

00:16:06.000 I'm writing stuff down Charlie I have like a notebook.

00:16:08.000 I'm like, oh, I'm gonna fact check all.

00:16:10.000 You have never heard any of that, not the way she was saying it, not at all, not at all.

00:16:14.000 And I was like she's lying.

00:16:15.000 I'm gonna fact check her.

00:16:16.000 I don't know her, but I'm gonna fact check her and I'm researching all these things.

00:16:20.000 She's right, she's every single point she was right about.

00:16:24.000 And uh it it, it.

00:16:26.000 I'm laughing about it today, but in the moment it was mind-boggling.

00:16:31.000 I was uh, I remember feeling lonely, like confused, lost.

00:16:36.000 I didn't.

00:16:36.000 I was like who am I?

00:16:37.000 I don't even know who I am anymore.

00:16:40.000 It really was a shocker to me to know that.

00:16:42.000 I felt like my entire history was a lie.

00:16:44.000 You know, everything I've been told was a lie and I didn't know who to call.

00:16:47.000 I was like I can't call my mom, I can't call my dad.

00:16:49.000 They're gonna think I'm crazy.

00:16:50.000 I don't have friends that think like this, so I can't call them.

00:16:52.000 And it was a very lonely feeling and I remember just getting on my knees, just praying like Lord.

00:16:56.000 I don't know what you're trying to reveal to me right now, but I need your guidance.

00:17:01.000 So, fast forward a couple months.

00:17:03.000 I put my first Facebook status up.

00:17:04.000 Sounds like a small thing was a very big thing.

00:17:07.000 I spoke about my conservative values and I got torn apart.

00:17:10.000 In my Facebook status I had people saying I was being paid.

00:17:13.000 They're like oh, you must be paid by the white man now.

00:17:15.000 And people calling me names, people I've known for years.

00:17:17.000 These people know my character, they know who I am and they were just that quick on a dime attacking me.

00:17:24.000 So for a lot of people, that'll make them want to stop that.

00:17:27.000 That's frightening, that's like, oh my gosh, I don't want to speak up again.

00:17:30.000 For me, it did the opposite and that's what got me fired up about Blexit.

00:17:33.000 So, but you, you dug in, I dug in, I did.

00:17:36.000 I was like man I'm, I'm not gonna back down.

00:17:39.000 It made me madder, it made me more fired up to do this.

00:17:41.000 And at the time I just got Blexit just got started.

00:17:45.000 I think they did a show in Los Angeles.

00:17:46.000 You know I think I was there yeah, and I said man, this needs to be brought to the ground.

00:17:51.000 You know I love what they're doing, but this needs to be, this message needs to be spread everywhere.

00:17:55.000 So at the time and thank God, you know, Candace I encourage people not to do exactly what I did, because she honestly probably could have sued me for doing this.

00:18:01.000 But at the time I like printed material off the Blexit site, created my own flyers, got two friends who I met through some conservative groups and we started door knocking.

00:18:10.000 We were door knocking, we were trying to get people to become a true believer man, a true like.

00:18:13.000 I was fired up.

00:18:14.000 So I'm still fired up today.

00:18:15.000 But I was so fired up I was like, but was it just like?

00:18:18.000 I've been lied to?

00:18:19.000 I need to set my people free.

00:18:21.000 It was that and it was also how quickly I got attacked.

00:18:25.000 I knew I was like man.

00:18:26.000 This is control.

00:18:27.000 There's no way that people who have known me my entire life, people who I've helped throughout my life, are now so quickly attacking me on a dime because of my conservative beliefs.

00:18:36.000 This is control, if I've ever seen it like.

00:18:38.000 There's no way.

00:18:39.000 You know, you know my character, you know who I am, you know I'm not crazy, but yet you're calling me crazy because I have conservative beliefs.

00:18:45.000 Like that's a problem to me, you know, and no one should feel like this ever again.

00:18:50.000 So that's what also inspired me to want to create a space where people it would be normal to see black conservatives, would be normal to see this around right.

00:18:57.000 And so when we started uh door knocking, we were planning for our first event.

00:19:01.000 Our first event only had about three of us There, well, six counting the three of us.

00:19:04.000 It did go so great.

00:19:05.000 But by the time we got to our third event, 50 people showed up, and we were really building something.

00:19:10.000 So we created a social media page.

00:19:12.000 We started highlighting our work.

00:19:14.000 Candace got wind of it.

00:19:16.000 I think I should frame that DM.

00:19:17.000 I tell my wife all the time that was a DM that changed my life.

00:19:20.000 She DM'd me and she's like, hey, let's jump on a call.

00:19:23.000 I really love what you guys are doing in North Carolina.

00:19:26.000 Jump on a call.

00:19:27.000 Fast forward to today.

00:19:28.000 She hired me, I think, three months after that call.

00:19:31.000 Again, 47 chapters, 46 states plus DC.

00:19:34.000 We're doing liberation shows around the country with HBCUs.

00:19:36.000 It is the premier black outreach program.

00:19:40.000 It's the only, really, for conservative values.

00:19:43.000 How's your family treat you?

00:19:45.000 If you're okay talking about that?

00:19:46.000 No, I'm totally okay with it.

00:19:48.000 My family knows.

00:19:49.000 We've had these conversations, so they know I'm going to be honest about it.

00:19:53.000 So my mom actually, she did, when I first had a conversation with my mom, she didn't take it so well.

00:19:58.000 But the final straw, I think, was when she saw my support for Trump.

00:20:01.000 And my mom and I actually stopped talking for about two years.

00:20:03.000 And I was, I guess, the embarrassment to the family because of my support for Trump.

00:20:08.000 I think that was way too far for her.

00:20:11.000 How'd you handle that?

00:20:12.000 I mean, I would be lying to you, Charlie, if I told you it didn't hurt.

00:20:16.000 It's a mother. 0.97

00:20:17.000 So it definitely hurt to hear that you're an embarrassment to the family. 0.95

00:20:21.000 Mind you, I'm not out there doing drugs. 0.96

00:20:23.000 I'm not out here gangbanging.

00:20:25.000 I'm not doing, I'm a college grad.

00:20:26.000 I mean, I'm not doing anything crazy with my life where I would feel like I'm an embarrassment.

00:20:30.000 I just simply have conservative beliefs and I'm supporting the conservative candidate.

00:20:34.000 Can I ask a provocative question?

00:20:36.000 Sure.

00:20:36.000 In black America, would be embracing of Trump looked more negatively than gangbanging at times?

00:20:41.000 Not in your family, but generally.

00:20:44.000 One would think, I guess.

00:20:45.000 I don't know.

00:20:46.000 At this point, I mean.

00:20:47.000 You just made me think about it because being a status stranger from the family is you would think that you'd be setting, you'd be in federal prison or something.

00:20:56.000 You would think.

00:20:56.000 I mean, my father was a little more receptive.

00:20:59.000 He wasn't 100% on board at first.

00:21:01.000 He was kind of like, he had a lot of questions.

00:21:03.000 But what my father did was he went and he researched.

00:21:06.000 He started researching some of the things I was telling him.

00:21:08.000 He started looking up and he called me about a week later.

00:21:10.000 He's like, you know, Pia?

00:21:12.000 My dad is always like, Pia. 0.98

00:21:12.000 I'm like, Pierre, dad, you name me. 0.98

00:21:14.000 He's like, you know, Pierre, you're right about some stuff.

00:21:17.000 What in particular was the data where you're like, hold on a second?

00:21:22.000 I think one of the things we discussed a lot was like the party switch.

00:21:26.000 We discussed that.

00:21:26.000 We discussed the values of where each side stood.

00:21:29.000 We discussed how they use racism almost every election cycle, like clockwork.

00:21:33.000 We discussed who was the party of slavery.

00:21:36.000 I mean, things that I thought my father knew, knew that he didn't really know or at least didn't think about, you know?

00:21:43.000 So very, really basic things.

00:21:44.000 And, you know, him looking these things up for him was mind-boggling.

00:21:49.000 He didn't know.

00:21:49.000 He didn't know the Democrats were the party of KKK.

00:21:51.000 He didn't know that either.

00:21:52.000 And segregation.

00:21:53.000 And segregation.

00:21:54.000 He didn't, these are things that you would think he would have known, but somehow the left has rewritten history.

00:22:00.000 And black, especially in black America, they have rewritten history. 1.00

00:22:03.000 And things that we know, they've shared a different version of it.

00:22:08.000 So I think that he was really receptive.

00:22:10.000 Not only, I think I know he was very receptive to at least doing his own research.

00:22:15.000 This is all I could ask for because that's what I did.

00:22:17.000 I never try to tell people what to think.

00:22:19.000 I just want them to think for themselves.

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00:23:37.000 So you had to navigate the family situation.

00:23:40.000 Let me kind of just ask it this way.

00:23:42.000 When, let's just say these arguments take place, because they're probably more like arguments, right?

00:23:48.000 They can be intense.

00:23:48.000 Yes.

00:23:49.000 Can you walk us through just kind of some you've seen or experienced?

00:23:52.000 I think they're largely helpful and healthy, but what are the topics?

00:23:57.000 What are the issues?

00:23:58.000 What are the points that are persuasive for, let's just say, a 60-year-old black American who has just said, I'm a Democrat, I'm on the left, and that's the way it is.

00:24:08.000 I think it's important to ask them why right away, because you realize pretty quickly that it's an emotional for what I've, what we've found, is most of this is an emotional response to what they think they're supposed to, like they, oh, maybe the Republicans are racist, or it's something that doesn't have anything to do with actual policy or how the Democrats have actually helped black America, right?

00:24:30.000 There's some virtual signaling.

00:24:32.000 Kamala, I think the last election she was out on HBCU campus in her Chucks and Pearls and dancing with the AKAs, right? 0.99

00:24:32.000 We always see this right. 0.99

00:24:38.000 It's like, oh, it must be an election cycle, right?

00:24:39.000 It's something that makes them think that the Democrats somehow care more about black people than the right does.

00:24:48.000 But when you really sit down and you really dig into why most, and I'm confident in saying this, most cannot really name anything that they feel like the Democrats have actually done to improve black America.

00:25:00.000 But let's say that they have.

00:25:01.000 Let's say they have.

00:25:02.000 We always make the case that, hey, local elections matter just as much, if not more, than national elections in every predominantly black city.

00:25:10.000 Who's in control?

00:25:11.000 Who's in control?

00:25:12.000 So if you think that your life is somehow not going well, how long has the Democrat Party controlled, you know, just so everyone knows?

00:25:20.000 And I just want to make sure everyone understands.

00:25:23.000 Every city council seat in Chicago, every city council seat in Detroit, every city council seat in Cleveland, every city council seat in Philadelphia, and every city council seat in Baltimore is Democrat.

00:25:34.000 Yet they're complaining about the way their life is.

00:25:36.000 It's one party rule.

00:25:37.000 It is complete one party rule.

00:25:39.000 And then they have no, typically they have no comeback really for that because a lot of people don't even think about it from that perspective.

00:25:44.000 They look at it like, oh, well, Republicans, okay, Republicans don't have a say in your city, most likely.

00:25:49.000 They can't even, they're trying, they would love to have a chance to prove to you that they can do better than Democrats.

00:25:55.000 We keep voting for the same thing.

00:25:57.000 So I think when you really dig in, a lot of them don't even know why they're actually Democrats besides some type of emotional response that probably centers around racism or support for police or something that's an emotional reaction.

00:26:09.000 And that's what the left has understood.

00:26:11.000 Again, you notice the left never really talks policy positions.

00:26:14.000 They don't want that debate with black conservatives. 1.00

00:26:16.000 It's always like, well, they're racist. 0.99

00:26:19.000 It was Trump's going to send you back to Africa.

00:26:21.000 Yeah, so I just, it doesn't phase me, as you well know.

00:26:25.000 We did a whole show on MLK and the whole thing.

00:26:27.000 And just so everyone knows, I called Pierre up before it, and you called it, like, hey, man, we're doing this.

00:26:31.000 And you were like, I was trying.

00:26:33.000 I loved it, though.

00:26:33.000 I love it.

00:26:34.000 I love that you were bold.

00:26:36.000 That's very sweet.

00:26:37.000 There's so many black conservative heroes.

00:26:39.000 Mammo K is not, he's not God. 0.92

00:26:41.000 He gets his own national holiday, higher approval rating than Jesus, right?

00:26:44.000 What about Frederick Douglass?

00:26:46.000 Right.

00:26:46.000 Right?

00:26:46.000 Yeah.

00:26:46.000 George Washington Carver.

00:26:48.000 There's so many amazing people, black icons, that I think are far more deserving.

00:26:52.000 I'm all for a federal holiday for Frederick Douglass's birthday, for the record.

00:26:56.000 An unbelievable guy, loved the country, super eloquent, former slave.

00:27:00.000 But it doesn't phase me, but our audience is paralyzed by being called a racist.

00:27:07.000 Can you riff on that?

00:27:08.000 How should one respond?

00:27:09.000 Because that is the scarlet letter of American politics.

00:27:15.000 I think the number one thing is to not answer to anything that doesn't belong to you.

00:27:19.000 So if you're not a racist, you know you're not a racist, don't own that.

00:27:22.000 Don't just, I feel like people sometimes think, because we have one thing about Blexis is we have people from every background that are also a part of this mission.

00:27:31.000 We're not BLM, where it's just going to be black people only.

00:27:33.000 We want everyone involved in this.

00:27:35.000 We want everyone in this fight to save the country.

00:27:38.000 Everyone has a voice.

00:27:38.000 Everyone has a say.

00:27:40.000 So I think we have to look at it from Americans, right? 0.92

00:27:42.000 We're all Americans.

00:27:43.000 At the end of the day, it's not about black or white.

00:27:45.000 We want the best for every person.

00:27:46.000 We want the best for every single person.

00:27:48.000 So don't answer to something that doesn't belong to you.

00:27:51.000 Be bold about that.

00:27:52.000 If you're not a racist, no, I'm not.

00:27:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:54.000 Number one.

00:27:55.000 But also, again, questioning them to me is what we don't do enough.

00:28:00.000 We're so quick to be ready for our talking points and to say what we want to say back.

00:28:03.000 We don't ask enough questions.

00:28:05.000 Why am I a racist?

00:28:06.000 Tell me what I've done, what I've said.

00:28:08.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:28:09.000 Policy standards.

00:28:10.000 I get aggressive.

00:28:11.000 Tell me why I'm a racist.

00:28:14.000 The burden of proof is on you.

00:28:16.000 Right.

00:28:16.000 Because you're made the accusation.

00:28:17.000 You're throwing around this insane accusation.

00:28:20.000 So show me the evidence.

00:28:22.000 And then also, I think it's also, they have an inability to define what racism is.

00:28:28.000 And for someone who lived in Jim Crow, that was never a question.

00:28:31.000 But they'll say that, hey, you know, if you listen to rap music, you're a racist. 0.98

00:28:36.000 If you culturally appropriate, you're a racist. 0.90

00:28:39.000 It gets overused.

00:28:40.000 Yeah.

00:28:40.000 And it dilutes the term.

00:28:42.000 If everything's racist, nothing's racist.

00:28:44.000 If everyone's racist, no one's right.

00:28:46.000 I mean, it's being used so freely nowadays that it's hard.

00:28:49.000 I mean, the real races are probably somewhere like, we got cover now because everyone's being called a racist.

00:28:55.000 Is it racist to believe that, to say that we believe in you, that you don't need government assistance?

00:28:59.000 We believe that you can actually do it for yourself.

00:29:02.000 We want you to stand on your own two feet and take care of your family.

00:29:04.000 We believe in you.

00:29:05.000 We believe you can accomplish the American dream.

00:29:07.000 Is that racist?

00:29:08.000 Because that's what conservatives are saying.

00:29:09.000 We're saying that we believe that you can do it on your own better than any government program.

00:29:14.000 Yes, and I also think the framing sometimes is wrong, which is it shouldn't always, it can be partially, hey, what has the Republican Party or Democrat Party done for me?

00:29:23.000 It also should be, what can we do for ourselves?

00:29:26.000 That is far more empowering.

00:29:27.000 Yes, I know that's what Blexit pushes, right?

00:29:29.000 Because that's the only way to eventually get to material success, not just always be asked, you know, demanding a bailout or demanding.

00:29:38.000 Which keeps you stagnant and it doesn't really help you.

00:29:40.000 A prisoner almost, right?

00:29:42.000 A prisoner.

00:29:43.000 So I want to ask what the issue set.

00:29:47.000 The issues that I see that are turning heads is this mass migration moving of third worlders into black America. 1.00

00:29:56.000 Are you seeing and hearing on the ground that that is creating chatter and potential political realignment?

00:30:02.000 I think it's, I mean, you see what's going on in New York and the frustration up there.

00:30:06.000 We are seeing that on the ground for sure because the group that it affects the most is black Americans, right?

00:30:11.000 I think they do studies and all these things.

00:30:13.000 After every study, it's always black Americans that are affected the most.

00:30:16.000 Always.

00:30:17.000 Every single time.

00:30:18.000 And the fact that you have the president going out there saying there's no issue, the border's safe, secure, fine, people aren't seeing that.

00:30:26.000 They see the truth of what's happening out there.

00:30:29.000 So I think that is resonating.

00:30:31.000 I do.

00:30:31.000 And I think also just in general, the two presidencies, I know we were upset.

00:30:35.000 I know we were upset about 2020, but in a way, the way I look back on it, I think it almost needed to happen because now people are seeing a direct contrast between what it was like under President Trump versus what it's like under President Biden, Biden.

00:30:49.000 And it's a huge difference.

00:30:50.000 It's a huge difference.

00:30:52.000 And the other, to Donald Trump's credit, he did try to reach out to black America.

00:30:57.000 I think he could do even more.

00:30:59.000 There's this fear, Pierre.

00:31:00.000 You know, there's fear on both sides.

00:31:02.000 White America has this fear that if they go and talk to an all-black audience, that they're going to be booed and called racist.

00:31:09.000 I'll speak anywhere.

00:31:10.000 I would love to speak in an HBCU.

00:31:12.000 I think it would be hilarious.

00:31:13.000 We need to bring you, Charlie.

00:31:14.000 We need to bring you.

00:31:15.000 Because I think our ideas are colorblind.

00:31:16.000 It doesn't matter, right?

00:31:18.000 Absolutely.

00:31:18.000 Who's to say that a white guy can't speak in an HBCU?

00:31:21.000 Absolutely.

00:31:21.000 And it's about values.

00:31:22.000 It's about commonality.

00:31:23.000 And I know you see it that way, which is refreshing.

00:31:26.000 This isn't BLM.

00:31:27.000 There's no little safe black spaces over here.

00:31:29.000 No, which, by the way, which is quasi-apartheid and segregation at its core.

00:31:36.000 But what other issues set?

00:31:38.000 The trans issue. 0.87

00:31:39.000 I can't imagine that going after young black kids. 0.78

00:31:42.000 That's been a huge one. 0.72

00:31:43.000 Talk.

00:31:44.000 Can you riff on that?

00:31:44.000 Yeah, so that's been a huge one.

00:31:46.000 That's one thing.

00:31:46.000 And when we were doing content on the HBCUs and we spoke to some of the alumni as well, that topic came up, and every single one of them were against it.

00:31:54.000 I mean, you're mutilating children at this point, you know, and these kids are still finding themselves.

00:32:01.000 I saw on my way here on the plane, there was a young girl, and she looked like a tomboy.

00:32:05.000 And I didn't, for one second, think, oh, that must be someone that wants to transition into a boy. 0.91

00:32:10.000 She's just probably going through a tomboy phase.

00:32:12.000 I mean, kids have these moments.

00:32:13.000 So in Black America, it goes back to something I said earlier.

00:32:16.000 Many of them were raised in the church.

00:32:19.000 This is unacceptable.

00:32:20.000 This is unacceptable to sit here and say now that my son is a girl because he picked up a Barbie doll.

00:32:26.000 No, we just let him know, hey, that's typically a girl's toy. 0.98

00:32:30.000 You know, you don't just say, oh my gosh, all of a sudden, I didn't see it.

00:32:32.000 Is this sparking lively debate in Black America?

00:32:37.000 I can't imagine that all of a sudden, like white liberal, academic, abstract medical.

00:32:44.000 I think it's been forced by white liberals on Black America.

00:32:47.000 I really don't think Black Library.

00:32:50.000 They tied it to the Black Lives Matter movement.

00:32:53.000 That's really kind of how it started. 1.00

00:32:54.000 Because they're all run by black lesbians. 1.00

00:32:56.000 Yes. 1.00

00:32:57.000 Can you talk about that? 1.00

00:32:58.000 People forget that it was all black lesbians. 1.00

00:32:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:00.000 Who wanted to see the destruction of the nuclear family?

00:33:03.000 It was one of their pillars until they removed it from the website.

00:33:06.000 They got a lot of heat from that and they removed it from the website.

00:33:08.000 So, you know, I think people are also seeing Black Lives Matter for what it is.

00:33:11.000 You get a lot of credit for that candidate.

00:33:13.000 I mean, people that brought attention to the scam that the organization is, they adopted a name that resonated well with Black America, but the actual group and their beliefs, when people started digging in, they realized it was their frauds. 0.91

00:33:24.000 Against the family frauds.

00:33:25.000 Against the family unit.

00:33:26.000 Yes.

00:33:27.000 Nothing that they advocated for was going to bring about prosperity in black America. 0.83

00:33:33.000 Everything was about the destruction and separation of black America from everyone else. 0.97

00:33:37.000 That we should be treated better.

00:33:38.000 We should be put on this pedestal.

00:33:41.000 They weren't even arguing for equality.

00:33:42.000 No.

00:33:43.000 They wanted everything to, I mean, you saw the video of white people bowing down to black people. 0.88

00:33:47.000 It made me cringe.

00:33:48.000 This is what they celebrated that video.

00:33:50.000 They were like, that's how it should be.

00:33:52.000 And how is that?

00:33:54.000 I mean, I know you agree, but unity or healing or reconciliation, if that's really your goal, I mean, you want some sort of strange, quasi-religious penance where white people have to take a knee? 0.99

00:34:06.000 It's ridiculous, Charlie. 0.98

00:34:07.000 I mean, it's kind of cynical. 0.93

00:34:08.000 I don't even like seeing the black sections on Netflix and Hulu and some of these look. 0.99

00:34:12.000 I get weirded out about that.

00:34:13.000 I cringe, but I get called a racist when I say that.

00:34:16.000 How do you react when you see black voices on Netflix? 0.96

00:34:18.000 It makes me think of the black-only water fountain or something.

00:34:21.000 Like, is this my section?

00:34:23.000 Because you're saying this is the black section.

00:34:24.000 Can I not watch everything else? 0.86

00:34:26.000 Or is it that white people can't watch this?

00:34:28.000 I'm confused now. 0.62

00:34:29.000 I don't even know what this means.

00:34:31.000 It's backwards.

00:34:32.000 It's arguing for segregation.

00:34:33.000 It's reverse racism in many ways, right?

00:34:35.000 Yes.

00:34:36.000 I was so glad to see, this is kind of going off topic, but not really.

00:34:41.000 A Gaelic poll came out and it showed 52% of black Americans agree with the Supreme Court ruling about affirmative action.

00:34:48.000 This is a game changer, man.

00:34:50.000 Things are moving in black America. 0.98

00:34:51.000 People are starting to see the truth.

00:34:53.000 We don't need all these things.

00:34:55.000 We don't need the special treatment.

00:34:56.000 They actually might hold you back.

00:34:58.000 Yeah.

00:34:58.000 And that's the argument that Thomas Soule has made.

00:35:01.000 Morgan Friedman said it best.

00:35:02.000 He says, if you want to stop talking about racism, he said, you want racism to end.

00:35:05.000 Stop talking about it.

00:35:06.000 I know.

00:35:08.000 Traditional media is crumbling.

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00:36:08.000 So, Pierre, this is just for my own curiosity because I did hear some objections here that I'm a white guy, so I'm not allowed to comment on race issues.

00:36:20.000 What is your response when you hear that?

00:36:21.000 I think, so can black people not comment on white issues?

00:36:26.000 What are even white issues, right? 0.69

00:36:28.000 We're human beings.

00:36:29.000 For that person who's asking, they're saying there must be black issues and white issues.

00:36:32.000 So, are they also saying that, what are they saying?

00:36:35.000 To me, issues are issues, right?

00:36:37.000 If we're all Americans, we're all here in this country, we're all equal if they're fighting for equality than issues.

00:36:42.000 I don't even like Black History Month, right?

00:36:45.000 Black History is American history, so there shouldn't be white black issues, black issues, white issues, Asian issues.

00:36:50.000 There's just issues that are facing this country today, and it takes all of us to respond to those issues.

00:36:55.000 So, you can comment on whatever you want, Charlie, whatever you want.

00:36:58.000 Thank you.

00:36:59.000 Not that you needed my approval.

00:37:00.000 No, no, it's empowering to hear that.

00:37:03.000 But what do you have to say when people were attacking me?

00:37:05.000 They said, Charlie, when you did a factual and analytical take on MLK, you're hurting our chances to win over black people.

00:37:12.000 No, I think I would say to those people that would you rather us lie to you?

00:37:18.000 Would you rather us lead people to the right with a lie?

00:37:23.000 Do you want us to play the game the Democrats are playing?

00:37:25.000 We want to lead with the truth.

00:37:26.000 The truth will set you free.

00:37:28.000 I don't recall you saying anything like, you better think this way, right?

00:37:31.000 I think you always challenge people to do their own research as well.

00:37:34.000 You just help them, right?

00:37:35.000 You lead them to the water.

00:37:36.000 They have to decide if they want to drink, right?

00:37:38.000 That's what we do as conservatives, and it's not telling you what to think.

00:37:42.000 We're just telling you to think.

00:37:43.000 Yes.

00:37:44.000 And maybe, just maybe he's not the hero that everyone said he is, right?

00:37:50.000 Maybe, just maybe.

00:37:50.000 Just decide for yourself for anyone of the objections.

00:37:54.000 And again, I'm built for this because we invited this fight because I felt it was important.

00:38:00.000 Just listen to the whole episode.

00:38:01.000 Just listen to it.

00:38:02.000 Listen to the arguments.

00:38:03.000 Listen to the implications.

00:38:04.000 And asking questions is not racist.

00:38:05.000 And look, there were some good things, obviously.

00:38:07.000 We talked about, right, he was against the Vietnam War.

00:38:09.000 I think that was great.

00:38:10.000 He was very charismatic.

00:38:11.000 He's obviously, you know, a talented writer, all these things.

00:38:15.000 But to get to the place where you are six points more popular than Jesus Christ our Lord, I got a problem.

00:38:21.000 Right.

00:38:21.000 And then we have to, we can't pretend he's the only one out there either.

00:38:25.000 I mean, we, we, oh, so, I mean, if Mark, if MLK is not the guy we thought he was, does that change anything?

00:38:31.000 There's a lot of other people out here who have done some great work.

00:38:34.000 Of course.

00:38:36.000 I think Dr. Ben Carson is a way better role model for black America than MLK.

00:38:41.000 I agree.

00:38:41.000 Dr. Ben Carson is a loyally married Christian man.

00:38:47.000 And neurosurgeon, like unbelievable.

00:38:49.000 Yep.

00:38:50.000 I remember reading a book about him even in my younger years before I even went through my red pill journey and thinking this man was great.

00:38:56.000 And I'll also say this about MLK.

00:38:57.000 One of the most troubling things to me, in addition to some of the stances he took, was just, look, I'm a family man.

00:39:03.000 And one of the ways that I look at men is, how are you with your family?

00:39:07.000 MLK was not good with his family.

00:39:09.000 Yeah.

00:39:10.000 And for people who value that, that should be concerning to you, no matter what you think he did that was great or not great.

00:39:17.000 I'll repeat that.

00:39:18.000 I think that Dr. Ben Carson is a far more impressive and successful individual to honor with a national federal holiday than MLK.

00:39:28.000 I think I'll stand by that.

00:39:30.000 What would you think if Trump chose him as vice president?

00:39:33.000 What would your reaction to that be?

00:39:35.000 I think it would be a good pick for many different reasons.

00:39:39.000 And none of the top five is him being black, by the way.

00:39:43.000 I don't want to see color when I'm looking at that.

00:39:44.000 I don't want to do what the left is doing.

00:39:46.000 I want to be the best person.

00:39:48.000 Well, he's unbelievably qualified.

00:39:49.000 Color aside.

00:39:50.000 I mean, he was the first ever person to separate conjoined twins at the head, first ever to do it successfully.

00:39:56.000 This guy has literal steady hands.

00:39:59.000 He was, by the way, Dr. Ben Carson was one of the most celebrated people before politics got involved.

00:40:04.000 Like you said, you were aware of him.

00:40:06.000 I read a book on him.

00:40:07.000 Yep.

00:40:08.000 I read a book on him in my early years.

00:40:10.000 And, you know, for a lot of people, and particularly speaking for Minority America, they saw Ben Carson as a hero.

00:40:18.000 He was one person that I think was brought up in school a lot.

00:40:21.000 And it wasn't until he started talking about his conservative beliefs that all of a sudden he's getting canceled.

00:40:27.000 But I know a lot of people who learned about Ben Carson growing up.

00:40:30.000 And that just tells you the kind of man that he's been throughout his life.

00:40:33.000 I don't want to get ahead of myself, and I don't want to get too excited because I don't like these big predictions.

00:40:38.000 But if Ben Carson was vice president, would it make it easier to win over black voters?

00:40:45.000 I think it would.

00:40:46.000 But it would still be a heavy lift.

00:40:48.000 It would still be a heavy lift for sure, but I think it would make it easier because representation, whether we like it or not, for many in black American representatives.

00:40:55.000 Is a political reality.

00:40:56.000 Is a political reality.

00:40:57.000 It 100% is.

00:40:59.000 Part of what we're doing here at Blacks is we're trying to get them to a point where they're not looking at that first all the time. 0.93

00:41:03.000 That's the best work you could do.

00:41:05.000 Yeah, but when we first go in, we are aware that's important to them, right?

00:41:10.000 So for that reason alone, I think it helps.

00:41:13.000 But also, again, just going back to that point I made, many of them heard about the great man that he was before he ever got involved in politics, so it's not far-fetched for them.

00:41:22.000 They have a reference point.

00:41:23.000 He was not like Trump level, but he was a celebrity in black America.

00:41:28.000 By the way, Gifted Hands, I think, was the name of the book.

00:41:30.000 And a movie.

00:41:31.000 Earned, deserved.

00:41:32.000 I remember we talked about Ben Carson when I was in sixth or seventh grade, and he was lifted up as a Black History Month civil rights icon.

00:41:40.000 When I was in government school in the suburbs of Chicago, they'd show this guy, Ben Carson.

00:41:44.000 They say he's one of the most successful doctors in the country.

00:41:47.000 And now he's hated and vilified by the media, which I think could red pill some people, right?

00:41:51.000 But his demeanor is so-oh, it's so godly, isn't it?

00:41:55.000 He acts like Christ does, man. 0.89

00:41:57.000 Yes, but he's also a perfect fit for, that's why he's also a perfect fit for Trump as well.

00:42:03.000 So you have Trump who is, you know, as he's the star.

00:42:06.000 He's the Baraka, as Curtis Yarvin would say, which is kind of like this overly magnanimous figure.

00:42:12.000 And then calm, cool, and collected Ben Carson.

00:42:14.000 And he would, he would, I would love to see him in a debate against Kamala because Ben Carson's incredibly intelligent, and he would wipe the floor with her without even really raising his voice.

00:42:23.000 He's wicked smart.

00:42:25.000 Yeah.

00:42:25.000 Like very, very smart.

00:42:26.000 In closing, let's talk about 2024, all the work that Blexit is doing.

00:42:29.000 It's Blexit.com, hiring more people, doing more things, Brexit liberation stuff.

00:42:35.000 We're doing leadership conferences, your community events.

00:42:38.000 You guys have a great presence on social media.

00:42:40.000 I should say we because we're all together now.

00:42:43.000 So just brag on Blexit for two minutes.

00:42:45.000 We're going to, so a record-breaking year last year, we're going to do a bigger this year where we have some things.

00:42:50.000 Obviously, I don't want to, can't announce everything yet, have some meetings, some things that we're going to talk about, but plan on something really big from Blexit this year, I think, that we'll do that may cause the media to lose their mind and pull out their hair.

00:43:01.000 But we'll do more activism days.

00:43:02.000 Our grassroots work, I tell you, is some of our most important work because we're reaching people.

00:43:07.000 We're going to neighborhoods, Baltimore, Atlanta, you name it, Detroit.

00:43:10.000 We're going into places that I think the conservative side maybe didn't go into much.

00:43:15.000 We're having news conversations.

00:43:17.000 We're having people attend events and become a part of our group.

00:43:19.000 It was a number that we were following the stat.

00:43:21.000 It was 70% of the people that were leaders for Blexit now.

00:43:24.000 This was the first time they had ever been a leader in any organization like this.

00:43:27.000 And by the way, when I spend time with the Blexit leaders, these are tough folks.

00:43:31.000 They've been called every name in the book.

00:43:33.000 They are in it for the right reasons, right?

00:43:35.000 It's really remarkable.

00:43:36.000 Yeah, and we're going to do more liberation shows too.

00:43:39.000 Ideally, Candace Brandon, different speakers out there.

00:43:41.000 You did a video for our last one, which is great.

00:43:43.000 We're going to do more of those.

00:43:44.000 We're going to hit these HBCUs hard.

00:43:46.000 Man, I'll show up at one.

00:43:48.000 If you'll have me.

00:43:49.000 We will bring you, Charlie.

00:43:51.000 We will bring you.

00:43:52.000 We're excited about what we were able to accomplish last year in this HBCUs, and now we're feeling so confident, it's huge, about our ability to be able to break.

00:44:00.000 Look, I have a heart for the black community.

00:44:03.000 I always have.

00:44:04.000 And it's just been so terrible to see left-wing, Marxist, secular, godless leaders and policies destroy what should be a much more vibrant, wealthy, successful part of America.

00:44:16.000 And if I could say one thing to your audience, I just want to back up what you just said.

00:44:21.000 Charlie, I mean, you and your team have been extremely supportive.

00:44:26.000 I mean, we're now part of this family.

00:44:28.000 I always have to remind myself I'm part of Turning Points Alice.

00:44:30.000 But since the moment we came in, I mean, you guys have been nothing short of supporters.

00:44:34.000 So anybody saying you're racist, anything, I'm telling you right now, that's further from the truth.

00:44:39.000 God bless you, man.

00:44:40.000 Thanks for saying, Charlie.

00:44:41.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:44:42.000 Everybody, email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:44:45.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:44:46.000 God bless.

00:44:49.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 19, 2024

Does Ben Carson Deserve a Holiday More than MLK?

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