The Charlie Kirk Show - Does Congress Want President Trump To Die?

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00:01:20.000 Joining us now is Coach Tuberville from the great state of Alabama.

00:01:26.000 Coach, welcome.

00:01:27.000 Of course, Senator from Alabama.

00:01:29.000 Coach, I want to begin our conversation here by setting the table with Cut2 here, which is a reporter asking why Donald Trump did not have more security at his golf course.

00:01:37.000 Play Cut2.

00:01:37.000 How was this able to happen, and for future records, is there any up security at a golf course?

00:01:44.000 Well, you got to understand the golf course is surrounded by shrubbery.

00:01:47.000 So when somebody gets into the shrubbery, they're pretty much out of sight.

00:01:50.000 All right.

00:01:52.000 And at this level that he is at right now, he's not the sitting president.

00:01:56.000 If he was, we would have had this entire golf course around him.

00:01:59.000 But because he's not, the security is limited to the areas that the Secret Service deems possible.

00:02:06.000 So I would imagine that the next time he comes at a golf course, there'll probably be a little bit more people around the perimeter.

00:02:13.000 But the Secret Service did exactly what they should have done.

00:02:17.000 They provided exactly what the protection should have been.

00:02:19.000 And their agent did a fantastic job.

00:02:22.000 Coach, what's going on here?

00:02:23.000 Well, thank God I don't know who this clown is.

00:02:25.000 I think he's with one of the three-letter agencies that are so corrupt, CIA, FBI, and DOJ, that they can't see straight.

00:02:32.000 But, Charlie, I've been, I've played golf many times with President Trump on that course, and the Secret Service, they do a great job.

00:02:39.000 I don't have any problem with that.

00:02:40.000 I have a problem with, after the first assassination, there should have been military, Navy SEALs, state troopers, everybody should have been around there.

00:02:50.000 They're going to kill the former president if they don't wake up.

00:02:54.000 And, uh, again, we sent a letter today, uh, Roger Marshall and I, Senator from Kansas to the acting, uh, Secret Service and asking, you know, answer some questions, funding all that, but it's too late to get Secret Service.

00:03:06.000 You can't train these people in three years.

00:03:08.000 And we, we, we protect 33 different people in this country with Secret Service.

00:03:13.000 So we're out of people, uh, to protect president Trump.

00:03:16.000 So we have to go another direction.

00:03:18.000 And, uh, obviously it's probably going to have to either be military, I would say, because they understand the situation.

00:03:24.000 Yeah, so here's what I'm failing to understand is that this is simply and solely a question of the will.

00:03:30.000 So, for example, if President Trump visits Afghanistan, which he did, it's not just Secret Service.

00:03:35.000 There are diplomatically trained detail for the State Department and for the Department of Defense that know how to protect ambassadors, that know how to protect people of interest, five-star generals.

00:03:46.000 So the Secret Service is not the only agency in the federal government that is trained in personal protection.

00:03:53.000 And by the way, I don't buy this idea that a $5 billion agency doesn't have enough people.

00:03:58.000 You can reallocate people away from Jimmy Carter.

00:04:00.000 You can pay people.

00:04:01.000 The lack of creativity here is infuriating.

00:04:05.000 But Senator, I guess what I'm getting at, some of your colleagues seem fired up about this, but in D.C., they just kind of shrug their shoulders and they are saying, well, I guess assassinations are the new normal.

00:04:16.000 Well, President Trump is not liked by a lot of people up here, including some Republicans.

00:04:21.000 You know, most of them have got on board since he won the nomination.

00:04:24.000 But let me say this, Charlie, and you know this.

00:04:27.000 President Trump's a different guy.

00:04:28.000 He works 14, 17, 18 hours a day, sleeps very little.

00:04:33.000 He's going to take the next 48 days where he's going to bounce around the country, speak to every group he possibly can, stick his hand out.

00:04:40.000 I mean, he's going to be in harm's way.

00:04:43.000 And while the Democrats, you know, they work six, eight hours and either go to the beach or watch television.

00:04:49.000 This guy has a work ethic that nobody can believe and the energy.

00:04:53.000 So he's going to need people to leapfrog in front of him.

00:04:57.000 If he goes to Pittsburgh in the morning, he goes to Seattle at night.

00:05:03.000 He needs help, and you can't do it with a handful of Secret Service agents.

00:05:07.000 You have to have a plan, and there's no plan up here in Washington, D.C.

00:05:11.000 on anything, so we couldn't expect it any different with the Secret Service.

00:05:15.000 So, Coach, is there a push to at least get this, a bill voted on?

00:05:19.000 Or have the Democrats at least have to say they support or don't support it?

00:05:23.000 I mean, make the Democrats go on the record and state that they oppose enhancing Donald Trump's Secret Service protection.

00:05:29.000 Force the vote.

00:05:30.000 Instead, their response is to let Secret Service try and block Trump from campaigning.

00:05:34.000 Yeah, well, I think what they're trying to do is they're trying to limit what he can do the next 48 days.

00:05:39.000 Correct.

00:05:39.000 You know, they've tried to arrest him, bankrupt him, impeach him.

00:05:43.000 Now they've tried to kill him twice.

00:05:44.000 And so, you know, why not scare him to death where he can't go out and campaign?

00:05:50.000 But, you know, the House can bring a bill up of what you're saying.

00:05:54.000 We have no control in the Senate.

00:05:55.000 Chuck Schumer, He wouldn't give Donald Trump a toothbrush if he needed one.

00:05:59.000 I mean, he absolutely could care less about Republicans, not just President Trump, but Republicans and the taxpayers of this country.

00:06:06.000 He's all in for himself.

00:06:08.000 So he's not going to put something on the floor and act like he actually likes President Trump.

00:06:14.000 So we're going to do it ourselves.

00:06:16.000 But hopefully we can get some kind of military help.

00:06:19.000 As you said, ambassadors all over the world.

00:06:21.000 When I travel, ambassadors have all kinds of help.

00:06:24.000 They have private detectives.

00:06:26.000 They have everybody in the world helping them.

00:06:28.000 So we need help with President Trump.

00:06:30.000 Basically, that's what we need.

00:06:31.000 Well, and again, so just in the Marine Corps, there are thousands of people in the Marine Corps that are used as supplemental security for at-risk embassies across the world.

00:06:41.000 It happens all the time.

00:06:42.000 And they know how to do private security.

00:06:44.000 They're trained in private security.

00:06:46.000 So what we have here is a lack of creativity and the lack of the will.

00:06:50.000 And so some Democrats say, oh, the Secret Service doesn't respond to Joe Biden.

00:06:53.000 That's rubbish.

00:06:54.000 It's okay.

00:06:54.000 Fine.

00:06:55.000 It's bicameral.

00:06:56.000 You're trying to tell me Joe Biden does not have total control of the Secret Service if he wanted to?

00:07:00.000 But let's just put that on pause.

00:07:02.000 Does Joe Biden have complete control of the military?

00:07:04.000 Of course he does!

00:07:05.000 That is specifically enumerated in the U.S.

00:07:07.000 Constitution.

00:07:08.000 So Coach, the Democrats have been calling for quite some time for Donald Trump to be eliminated.

00:07:15.000 That is Dan Goldman.

00:07:16.000 They say he's a threat to democracy.

00:07:18.000 Do you believe that Democrats are to shoulder some blame here for the continued assassination attempts against Donald Trump?

00:07:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:07:25.000 Well, especially after the first one.

00:07:27.000 Now, again, I've traveled with President Trump.

00:07:28.000 I've introduced him at these rallies.

00:07:31.000 You've done the same thing.

00:07:32.000 You've been around him.

00:07:33.000 And the Secret Service is usually pretty good, but you would think that a former president, somebody like President Trump, would be safe.

00:07:40.000 But we've got so much mental illness in this country, Charlie, and most of it is on the left, by the way.

00:07:48.000 They're over the top on President Trump.

00:07:50.000 They cannot allow him to win.

00:07:52.000 The deep state cannot allow him to win because a lot of them are going to go to jail.

00:07:57.000 You know that, and I know that, when President Trump comes in and does the right thing.

00:08:00.000 So he's got a target on him.

00:08:04.000 Again, you don't want to point the blame at anybody other than the people that have the opportunity to give him help, whether it's military or Secret Service.

00:08:13.000 Can you just detail again the letter that you guys sent and what you think is an immediate correction here and what we can expect?

00:08:20.000 Well, just asking, hey, do you need more funding?

00:08:24.000 You know, what kind of personnel do you have that's available?

00:08:27.000 You know, some type of investigation report on the previous.

00:08:32.000 They hadn't had time to do the report on this last one, but the previous one in Pennsylvania.

00:08:36.000 We've seen nothing of that.

00:08:37.000 You know, Josh Hawley's done a good job of trying to run that down, but you can't get anything from these Democrats because, again, you go back to it, all these agencies are controlled by the deep state, and so they don't want to leak anything out.

00:08:50.000 I saw where Merrick Garland came out today and said, hey, we're all in.

00:08:52.000 We're going to help.

00:08:53.000 We're going to do this.

00:08:54.000 We're going to do that.

00:08:55.000 That guy could care less about President Trump.

00:08:57.000 He's tried to put him in jail for the last two years.

00:08:59.000 So at the end of the day, President Trump's going to be very, very careful.

00:09:04.000 I know when he gets military and eventually he will get military personnel around him, but you're not going to slow him down.

00:09:10.000 He's going to play golf.

00:09:10.000 He's going to go do his rallies.

00:09:12.000 He's going to shake hands.

00:09:12.000 He's going to get out with the people because that's what the American people want.

00:09:16.000 And that's what we need right now.

00:09:17.000 Somebody that loves this country and loves the people of this country to pay the bills.

00:09:21.000 Amen.

00:09:22.000 And Coach, just really quick, tell us about the SAVE Act and the status of that.

00:09:26.000 Can we expect that to be passed?

00:09:27.000 No, no, you know, but again, most of the Democrats in the house voted it down.

00:09:32.000 Who would be against a bill that says, Hey, you cannot vote unless you're a lawful citizen, United States of America.

00:09:39.000 Here's why we need to need to pass it, Charlie, because this is going to be an election on both sides.

00:09:45.000 Say the president Trump wins, they're going to complain about something and they could very well hit the streets riding, you know, uh, saying, Hey, this was a, This was a fake election.

00:09:56.000 You know, it wasn't handled correctly and vice versa if the Republicans lose.

00:10:00.000 So we've got to cover our bases here and let people know we're at least trying to make this a fair election everywhere I go.

00:10:07.000 I've been all over the country in the last three or four months.

00:10:09.000 Everybody, they don't ask about immigration or anything to do with prices or gas.

00:10:16.000 Coach, is this going to be a fair election?

00:10:18.000 And we'd better be careful.

00:10:20.000 And Chuck Schumer could make it fair, but I heard some of the senators on the left go, hey, you know, it's already unlawful for an illegal vote.

00:10:28.000 It's also unlawful to rob a bank, but they still do it.

00:10:32.000 And so we need to make sure this is a straight up fair election and people understand that.

00:10:37.000 Well said, coach.

00:10:38.000 Thank you for your leadership and your courage.

00:10:39.000 Thank you.

00:10:40.000 Thank you.

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00:12:05.000 Joining us now is Caitlin Sinclair from Turning Point Action.

00:12:08.000 Caitlin, welcome.

00:12:09.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:12:10.000 So today is National Voter Registration Day.

00:12:11.000 Is that right?

00:12:12.000 That's right.

00:12:13.000 Big day.

00:12:13.000 Big day for us.

00:12:14.000 So tell us all about what Turning Point Action is doing.

00:12:17.000 So we have a few initiatives out right now, but most importantly today is Voter Registration Day.

00:12:22.000 So look, we've already registered hundreds if not thousands of fraternity brothers, Charlie.

00:12:27.000 It's up.

00:12:28.000 We are leaving it up to the Frat Brothers to take this country back, by the way. 1.00

00:12:31.000 But it is all about owning your streets.

00:12:34.000 That is one of the phrases Tyler and I use over at TP Action.

00:12:37.000 Own your streets first, right?

00:12:39.000 Own your community.

00:12:39.000 And what does that mean?

00:12:40.000 It means engaging with your community, engaging with the people Your neighbors, folks that you go swimming with, I don't know, host a barbecue, host a pool party, go for a walk, start having these conversations.

00:12:53.000 And there's a really easy process that we've made up at TP Action that includes getting a MAGA hat.

00:12:59.000 It makes it really simple, Charlie, right?

00:13:00.000 So we have folks getting a MAGA hat.

00:13:03.000 So show us how it works.

00:13:04.000 Okay, so step one is getting this.

00:13:07.000 Step two is seeing who compliments the MAGA hat and befriend that person.

00:13:13.000 And then step three is having your new friend go to tpaction.com slash vote.

00:13:18.000 That's it.

00:13:19.000 That's it.

00:13:20.000 It's very easy.

00:13:21.000 They can fill out a form.

00:13:21.000 It takes five seconds.

00:13:23.000 I think I should leave this on.

00:13:23.000 There you go.

00:13:25.000 And becoming, especially right now, because voter registration deadlines are looming.

00:13:29.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:13:30.000 Especially right now.

00:13:31.000 We're talking about one extra friend.

00:13:33.000 Making sure all of your family members.

00:13:36.000 Knocking on that one neighbor's door that you haven't said hi to yet.

00:13:39.000 Again, own your streets.

00:13:41.000 Own your communities.

00:13:42.000 Because we hear so many people outraged over this second attempted assassination.

00:13:47.000 on former President Trump.

00:13:49.000 But you can't be outraged if you're not doing the work, right?

00:13:52.000 And you talk about this all the time, Charlie.

00:13:54.000 We want Donald Trump to save us.

00:13:56.000 This is how we save him first.

00:13:57.000 We cannot win elections unless that piece of paper is in the ballot box.

00:14:00.000 Yeah, and it's just it's about doing the work and it's about getting out, registering voters,

00:14:06.000 and it requires some effort.

00:14:07.000 So everybody in the audience right now, wear the hat.

00:14:10.000 When someone compliments the hat, then register them to vote at tpaction.com slash vote.

00:14:16.000 So let's show this up on screen, Caitlin.

00:14:18.000 This is cut 67, 68, 69, 70.

00:14:20.000 I've been doing the campus stuff for 12 years.

00:14:25.000 Things are changing on college campuses profoundly.

00:14:27.000 Let's put up some of these images, guys.

00:14:30.000 We are registering frat boys, frat bros, whichever word you want to use.

00:14:34.000 to vote.

00:14:34.000 This is at Arizona State University.

00:14:35.000 We've done this at four fraternities now.

00:14:38.000 Hundreds of new voters for Trump on the ground that we are adding to the voter rolls.

00:14:42.000 Tell our audience all about this.

00:14:43.000 Yeah, this is huge.

00:14:44.000 And I think, you know, of course, you've been going into these college campuses for years, but there is such a shift happening.

00:14:50.000 And the gender divide is very real.

00:14:51.000 But you know why it is the men and the males and the fraternity brothers in this country that are fighting so hard?

00:14:57.000 It's because of their values, right?

00:14:59.000 The men in this country, the Democrats want you to believe this is a election based on gender and race and religion, and they want that divide.

00:15:07.000 But it's not.

00:15:08.000 And the men in this country understand.

00:15:09.000 This is an election based on love of country, of restoring faith in God and restilling family values in this country again.

00:15:17.000 And it is the men that are longing for that more than the women out there.

00:15:21.000 And yeah, and they also want a return of masculinity, which I'm sure you want to see a return of.

00:15:26.000 Please, please.

00:15:27.000 We're begging.

00:15:27.000 Would you ever date a white dude for Harris?

00:15:29.000 Ooh, I don't think a white dude for Harris would date me. 0.90

00:15:32.000 Oh, there you go.

00:15:33.000 But I asked that question at Nebraska and all the young ladies said no.

00:15:38.000 I think I'd rather hear Kamala Harris' cackle for the rest of my life than date one of those. 1.00

00:15:43.000 So it's tpaction.com slash vote is the launching off point.

00:15:48.000 People can get a hat at tpaction.com slash vote and wear the hat in public.

00:15:53.000 Caitlin, you're also speaking tonight at MAHA, Make America Healthy Again.

00:15:58.000 I've got to get that right.

00:15:59.000 Make America Healthy Again with RFK.

00:16:01.000 Alex Clark is speaking.

00:16:02.000 You're speaking with Callie Means.

00:16:04.000 You know, don't spoil the speech because it's going to be live on Rav tonight.

00:16:07.000 A huge audience.

00:16:08.000 But you think this is a way to win over female voters? 1.00

00:16:11.000 Absolutely.

00:16:12.000 We talk about the gender divide a lot right now.

00:16:14.000 The pundits are talking about it.

00:16:16.000 And I believe more, of course, we need to bring people like Tulsi Gabbard on board and more of the females. 1.00

00:16:21.000 But make America healthy again is the message.

00:16:24.000 It's a message that's going to hit home for single females. 1.00

00:16:27.000 It's a message that's going to resonate with young moms in this country.

00:16:31.000 And Charlie, we really don't have make America great again until we make Americans healthy again.

00:16:37.000 So I'm really excited.

00:16:38.000 And you have a personal story you'll tell tonight, it's in some capacity I know, and young moms in particular might not love Trump's style, they might not like Trump's approach, but they can all of a sudden say, my kid will not have a chronic disease, my kid will eat healthier, my kid won't be poisoned by these major food corporations, which I think is a huge opening for us to, yes, you're right, to make America great again.

00:17:02.000 One last time, Caitlin, if someone's in the audience says, ah, registering voters is too hard, give them a pep talk.

00:17:08.000 Oh no it's not.

00:17:09.000 Donald Trump is counting on you just like you're counting on him.

00:17:12.000 This is how we take back America. 0.92

00:17:14.000 tpaction.com slash vote.

00:17:16.000 Let's win this.

00:17:17.000 That's right.

00:17:18.000 tpaction.com slash vote.

00:17:19.000 Caitlin is going right after this to go register more voters. 0.76

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00:18:26.000 Pastor Alan Jackson is with us, who I've been following for quite some time, and World Outreach Church, alanjackson.com.

00:18:32.000 Welcome, Pastor.

00:18:33.000 It's good to be with you.

00:18:33.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:18:34.000 So, I love you said fourth quarter, because that shows me, as a pastor, you care about what's happening.

00:18:39.000 Absolutely.

00:18:40.000 We better care.

00:18:40.000 I mean, if we're not involved in the process, we're part of the problem, so we better get involved.

00:18:46.000 That is so perfectly said, so crisp.

00:18:48.000 No one could possibly disagree with that.

00:18:50.000 However, you know most pastors are indifferent.

00:18:54.000 Or are they cagey with their involvement in the public arena or public sphere?

00:18:59.000 How did it get this way?

00:19:00.000 Because it wasn't that way in the 80s.

00:19:02.000 It wasn't that way with Billy Graham.

00:19:03.000 It was expected the pastor would add context and direction to a confusing world.

00:19:07.000 What happened?

00:19:08.000 Well, to be completely honest, I think we've betrayed our biblical worldview.

00:19:13.000 But because we still stand in a church building with a theological setting, we don't want to really acknowledge that.

00:19:19.000 So we hide behind this veil that we can't be engaged while we're actually, and I say we, while there's actually a lot of covert operations for ungodliness, liberal, progressive, whatever word you want.

00:19:29.000 They've been teaching this garbage in seminaries for decades.

00:19:32.000 That's right.

00:19:33.000 And you write about this in your book, Jesus, His Followers, and Politics.

00:19:37.000 Tell us about the book, and how do we change the Christian's hesitancy to engage? 0.74

00:19:44.000 Well, the book really came out of a series I did with the congregation.

00:19:47.000 I've done 20 pastors' conferences across different cities in the last 18 months.

00:19:53.000 And in city after city, when I would talk to pastors about being involved with current events and culture, not so much just politics, but what's happening in our culture and being a voice, it's been about a 50-50 response.

00:20:04.000 50 would be positive and 50 would be angry.

00:20:08.000 So I went back to message this to the church and say, we can't sit on the sidelines.

00:20:13.000 We're called to be salt and light.

00:20:15.000 You know, the Bible says we're to overcome evil with good, and we have been adopting for a few decades now the practice of overlooking evil.

00:20:22.000 And we have to change.

00:20:22.000 We've got to engage in the conflict and use our voices and our resources and our spheres of influence, or we're going to lose our freedom and liberty, and it'll be at our doorstep.

00:20:31.000 It's not a political problem.

00:20:32.000 It's a spiritual problem.

00:20:34.000 And so let's go through some of the objections that I'm sure you receive.

00:20:37.000 Sure.

00:20:38.000 But pastor, that's too divisive.

00:20:40.000 It's divisive.

00:20:40.000 Why don't we just do church and just do the gospel, not bring divisive cultural or political things into the church?

00:20:48.000 Yeah, well, I'm a pastor.

00:20:49.000 I can start with the biblical part.

00:20:50.000 Jesus said, I didn't come to bring peace.

00:20:52.000 I came to bring division.

00:20:53.000 Bring a sword.

00:20:54.000 He told his friends to get a sword.

00:20:56.000 He said it's going to separate homes, husbands and wives, fathers and children.

00:21:00.000 We've got this false gospel that says it's about a group hug and another verse of kumbaya, and it's not biblical.

00:21:08.000 But it isn't biblical, yet it seems very persuasive to a pastor that doesn't want to get into the controversy, that wants to be liked.

00:21:18.000 Is it only a pastor problem?

00:21:19.000 Is it the congregation problem because they're not demanding what they should demand from the church?

00:21:24.000 And if you could pinpoint an event or an author or a speaker, a group, an organization that really took this detour, what would you pinpoint where things started to go wrong?

00:21:33.000 Well, that's a set of good questions.

00:21:36.000 I think the real issue, we tend to point at the pastors and I think it's a mistake.

00:21:41.000 You know, when we look at national elections, I look at candidates, but I look at the platforms a lot more.

00:21:45.000 And in the local church, the pastor typically is not the primary point of authority.

00:21:49.000 There's a board, there's a presbytery.

00:21:51.000 They hired this pastor, they hired several before him, they're going to hire another one later.

00:21:55.000 The pastor's an employee, so if you really want to change the local church, you have to change those administrative boards.

00:22:01.000 But they're behind the curtain.

00:22:02.000 Nobody really sees them.

00:22:04.000 So the pastor takes the heat.

00:22:05.000 It's like a deep state.

00:22:06.000 Yes, it really is.

00:22:07.000 It's the deep state in the church.

00:22:09.000 Now, the pastor, should they have the courage to lose their job and go against their boards?

00:22:13.000 Perhaps.

00:22:14.000 But that's a unique kind of courage, and it's not going to be as widespread.

00:22:17.000 We've got to change the system.

00:22:18.000 The people in the churches have to demand that their churches talk about current events and culture.

00:22:23.000 If they're not, find a new church.

00:22:25.000 It's a false gospel.

00:22:26.000 Jesus said, you know, don't follow a blind guide, you'll fall into a hole.

00:22:31.000 And how long are we going to have to sit in churches following blind guides before we realize it's not getting the outcome we need?

00:22:37.000 I totally agree with that, and I think that's really well put.

00:22:40.000 We've been speaking out about this for quite some time, and if I were to have my hypothesis, if you will, Willow Creek said that the church should embrace business models, big boards, governing structures, and that was probably well intended.

00:22:55.000 But for some churches, it enabled a bureaucracy of risk aversion and growth to the world, not speaking the word.

00:23:04.000 For some churches.

00:23:05.000 Would you agree that that trend was troubling for some?

00:23:08.000 Yeah, I think that whole seeker-driven mentality... Which Heibel's was the... He was kind of the spokesperson for that, yeah. 1.00

00:23:18.000 Introduce some things that have not been helpful.

00:23:20.000 You know, we became more aware of building bridges with the ungodly than we were talking about to the people of faith what it means to be the people of faith. 0.64

00:23:27.000 And we've lost any sense of excellence in the context of serving the Lord.

00:23:32.000 You know, we think we get our card for heaven and then we can live like the devil.

00:23:37.000 And I'm convinced hell's going to be filled with a lot of people that have those cards.

00:23:42.000 And we're going to have to change who we are.

00:23:43.000 We'll be judged by the impact we have on the world we live in.

00:23:47.000 Not by the fact that we walked the aisle of a church and recited the sinner's prayer.

00:23:51.000 And I think the church, we have allowed things like the definition of marriage to become a political discussion.

00:23:56.000 That's not politics, that's biblical.

00:23:58.000 Human sexuality, moral and immoral, that's not a political discussion, that's biblical.

00:24:03.000 Family values, a nuclear family, biological sex, those are not political issues, those are biblical issues.

00:24:12.000 And the church has lost its voice, and in that cowardice, we have created this vacuum for an authoritarian state.

00:24:18.000 Throughout history, when the church fails, darkness prevails.

00:24:22.000 When the Christian Roman Empire fell, The dark ages emerged. 0.99

00:24:26.000 The failure of the Church brought tremendous suffering.

00:24:30.000 When the Church failed in Europe, we saw not only a world war, but a holocaust. 0.67

00:24:35.000 Well, we're standing on a precipice now, at a pivot point.

00:24:37.000 The question is, will the church step up and hold up these biblical ideas?

00:24:41.000 Are we going to hide behind this false veil of politics and we can't use our voices?

00:24:46.000 And suffering will incur, not only in our nation, but around the world because of the failure of this nation.

00:24:50.000 Yeah, and again, the planet really hinges on America.

00:24:53.000 We are the swinging door of whether or not we will see unspeakable horror and tyranny unleashed, or if we can quell that and elevate righteousness to the glory of God.

00:25:03.000 Go do a before and after picture in Afghanistan, when we were there and then after we withdrew.

00:25:08.000 Just see what happened when our influence was completely withdrawn, what's happened to the young girls, the young women.

00:25:13.000 It's unthinkable.

00:25:14.000 They won't report it because they don't want anybody to know, but it's not hard to see it.

00:25:18.000 And do a before and after picture of the Korean Peninsula, North Korea versus South Korea.

00:25:23.000 One's an open-air concentration camp, the other is one of the more Christian countries in Asia, actually.

00:25:28.000 And so it's so clear to us that we should act, then what would you say to a pastor that says, okay, Pastor Jackson, I'm on board.

00:25:35.000 What is doing this look like in practice?

00:25:38.000 Well, I think when you lead your congregation in all the various places, you have to find a way to engage current culture.

00:25:45.000 Whatever fits in the format where you live.

00:25:47.000 I don't think you can understand Scripture apart from the world we live in.

00:25:52.000 If you've got formal theological training, you spend extensive time learning first century culture, so you can understand the world in which the New Testament emerged.

00:26:00.000 Or 10th century BCE culture, so you can understand the culture from which the Old Testament Hebrew Bible emerged.

00:26:07.000 Well, none of that makes sense unless we can take those principles and put them into play in the 21st century.

00:26:12.000 So every pastor has to—what's happening in your community?

00:26:14.000 Our community's having trouble getting pornography out of the schools.

00:26:18.000 I'm saying, look, this is not hard.

00:26:19.000 Third graders don't need to see pornography.

00:26:21.000 End of story.

00:26:22.000 Done.

00:26:22.000 We don't need any more conversation.

00:26:24.000 You know, I don't think abortion is a difficult issue from a biblical standpoint.

00:26:28.000 Gabriel comes to Zechariah when he's serving in the temple, and he said, you're going to conceive a son.

00:26:32.000 His name's John, and this is what he's going to do.

00:26:34.000 In the book of Luke.

00:26:35.000 He's not even conceived yet, and God has a plan for his life.

00:26:38.000 This is not a biblical issue, and I think pastors have to have the courage to stand up and say there's a Christian worldview on this.

00:26:45.000 People say you can't be a one-issue voter.

00:26:47.000 Baloney! 0.90

00:26:48.000 If the issue matters enough, you only need one issue.

00:26:50.000 If you know a candidate beats their spouse with a stick, you're not going to vote for them.

00:26:55.000 Stop hiding behind the hypocrisy and have the courage to own our biblical worldview and lead the people that are in our sphere of influence that way.

00:27:02.000 The book is Jesus, His Followers, and Politics.

00:27:06.000 So, let's go even a step further.

00:27:07.000 There are some churches that are very political, but they believe that Kamala Harris is the better option, and they're very outspoken, almost in revolutionary ways.

00:27:19.000 Now, they're not a majority of churches, we want to be fair, but they're a growing minority.

00:27:24.000 I would say 10-15%, where they say, we must love all the immigrants, we must open the borders, who are we to judge homosexuals?

00:27:32.000 How should we deal with such churches?

00:27:35.000 Well, I think the New Testament is a construct that we have to pull forward.

00:27:38.000 There's true church and false church.

00:27:40.000 The fact that the sign says church doesn't mean it's a church.

00:27:43.000 If I wear a t-shirt that says Olympic athlete, you need to investigate more.

00:27:47.000 It's probably not accurate.

00:27:48.000 And, you know, the fact that they have theological architecture or they hold worship services doesn't really make them a biblically centered church.

00:27:56.000 And in a season of great deception, once upon a time we watched the evening news and we thought they told us the truth.

00:28:01.000 Once upon a time, you could drive into a church and imagine it would be Orthodox Christian in their worldview.

00:28:06.000 That's no longer true.

00:28:07.000 And if they're advocating for ungodly principles, I quite candidly don't care what the sign says or whether they have ecclesiastical language.

00:28:15.000 It's not the gospel.

00:28:16.000 Yeah, and it all needs to point towards the gospel.

00:28:20.000 And again, this is an oversimplification, but if your message is—and Ray Comfort writes about this in his book extensively—if your message is that Jesus will make your immediate life better no matter what, that's not the gospel.

00:28:35.000 You need to first say you're broken and in need of redemption, and Jesus is on a rescue mission to save you.

00:28:40.000 Add to that, serving God is difficult.

00:28:44.000 Serving Jesus is not like going to Disneyland or Six Flags.

00:28:47.000 There are times He'll ask you to do difficult things.

00:28:51.000 Jesus' assignment was not simple.

00:28:53.000 Moses' assignment was not simple.

00:28:55.000 In reality, every generation has to choose for themselves.

00:28:59.000 Christianity is not something we may inherit the benefits of a godly generation, but every generation, or the curses of an ungodly, but every generation has to choose for themselves. 0.88

00:29:09.000 And that's such an important message.

00:29:11.000 It's not a feel-good assignment.

00:29:13.000 It's this grappling with the reality there is a God.

00:29:15.000 He can be known.

00:29:16.000 He will transform your life.

00:29:18.000 But with that transformation comes an assignment.

00:29:20.000 It's no longer your life.

00:29:22.000 We serve a king.

00:29:23.000 That's why we call him Lord.

00:29:25.000 And we have to take His values and His principles.

00:29:28.000 People say to me, you know, well, I know what the Bible says, but I think.

00:29:31.000 Well, I mean, I appreciate everybody that can think.

00:29:32.000 I like to think.

00:29:33.000 But at the end of the day, I have to wrestle with submitting to the authority of Scripture.

00:29:37.000 Amen.

00:29:37.000 I want everyone to check out your book.

00:29:39.000 It's available now, is that right?

00:29:40.000 It'll be available in a week.

00:29:41.000 Okay.

00:29:42.000 Jesus, His Followers in Politics, Pastor Alan Jackson.

00:29:48.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:30:51.000 Just remind the audience of all the things you're doing and ways people can support you and learn about you.

00:30:55.000 We do a daily show on TBN called Alan Jackson Now, that's 6 p.m.

00:30:58.000 Central Time, current events in a biblical worldview.

00:31:01.000 I do three sermons a week, which you can get if you go to the website alanjackson.com.

00:31:06.000 We're on Salem Radio Network with all of that stuff as well, so we're working on that together.

00:31:10.000 So any place we can find an opportunity to lift up Jesus and encourage Christians to engage culture, we're all in.

00:31:17.000 How long have you been doing this?

00:31:19.000 40 years.

00:31:20.000 I've been in the same church.

00:31:21.000 Does it get easier?

00:31:22.000 No.

00:31:25.000 I hope not, because you want the assignment to keep growing.

00:31:28.000 I love that word assignment.

00:31:29.000 I have never heard that used when it talks about the Christian faith.

00:31:33.000 That you're on assignment.

00:31:34.000 That infers and implies obligation, duties, and that your life is not your own.

00:31:40.000 Well, absolutely, and everything else is preparation for now.

00:31:43.000 You know, Moses, the heaviest lift of his life was the last season.

00:31:46.000 That's right.

00:31:46.000 Same thing's true with Saul of Tarsus.

00:31:48.000 Same thing's true with Jesus.

00:31:49.000 I hope it's true of us.

00:31:51.000 He had a great life with Jethro.

00:31:53.000 Midian, right, if I'm not mistaken?

00:31:54.000 Yeah.

00:31:54.000 He had a great life.

00:31:55.000 He had a good thing going.

00:31:56.000 And then all of a sudden God says, no, I need you.

00:31:58.000 That Bernie Bush thing.

00:31:59.000 And he just said, why do I have to lead these unimpressive people out of here?

00:32:02.000 The heaviest lift of his life was the last season.

00:32:05.000 He had a remarkable beginning with the faith of parents.

00:32:09.000 Grew up in Pharaoh's palace. 0.80

00:32:11.000 He's torqued.

00:32:12.000 You would be.

00:32:13.000 You're denying your heritage. 0.95

00:32:15.000 He kills an Egyptian. 0.92

00:32:16.000 He flees as a fugitive.

00:32:17.000 Seems to forfeit everything he was given.

00:32:19.000 Gets a whole good life going in the desert.

00:32:21.000 Then he has this burning bush thing.

00:32:22.000 And he's a very reluctant recruit.

00:32:24.000 I don't want to go.

00:32:25.000 Send somebody else.

00:32:27.000 To the point that God gets mad at him and he engages.

00:32:30.000 And he doesn't have an easy day from then until he goes to heaven.

00:32:34.000 And in the midst of the assignment, God disciplines him.

00:32:36.000 You can't go into the promised land.

00:32:38.000 So we've got this sloppy opinion of God that he's like a big teddy bear.

00:32:42.000 And when I read it, he's a lot more like a great coach or a personal trainer.

00:32:46.000 He has expectations and aspirations for us that we have beyond ourselves.

00:32:50.000 And he asks more from us than we would do without his engagement.

00:32:54.000 Don't think of going to church as if you're giving God his marker for the week.

00:32:59.000 Invite God into your life, and he'll make your life better if you're a baker, a butcher, or a candlestick maker.

00:33:04.000 We need some excellence in our lives again.

00:33:06.000 I'm tired of mediocrity reigning.

00:33:09.000 So I don't know your theology.

00:33:10.000 I really don't care, but everything you're saying I agree with.

00:33:12.000 And it's at odds with some people's theology who I like who are too next-world focused, in the sense where—and again, we should be next-world focused.

00:33:20.000 But it could get too much where they say, this world doesn't matter, you don't have duties, just be ready to be zapped up.

00:33:25.000 And you see that can be a little bit of a...

00:33:29.000 It's an escapist theology.

00:33:31.000 It is.

00:33:31.000 Yes.

00:33:32.000 Because you don't have to engage.

00:33:33.000 It's easy to look at the world around you and say it's the end of the world.

00:33:35.000 I hear it all the time.

00:33:37.000 You could have done it when they're bombing London.

00:33:38.000 You could have said it's the end of the world.

00:33:40.000 If you lived in Rwanda when a million people were murdered in 90 days, it would have been easy to say it's the end of the world. 1.00

00:33:46.000 I don't know that it's the end of the world, but I can tell you this, if the church doesn't engage, it's the end of an empire.

00:33:51.000 We better find our place and stand in it with the determination of a generation that won't yield.

00:33:56.000 And the escape, again, I'm not on the planning committee for Jesus' return, I'm on the welcoming committee, so I don't get involved in that.

00:34:05.000 So I have no idea, pre-trib, post-trib, pan-trib, it's all going to pan out, it drives them nuts when I say that.

00:34:09.000 But I'm very much on what does God want from me.

00:34:13.000 And I learned this from a religious Jew, Dennis Prager, who's also on Salem.

00:34:19.000 Salem broadcasts him.

00:34:19.000 He has a great quote, which is, I'm much more interested in what does God want from me than what I want from God.

00:34:25.000 And it is true that some Christians, not all, they look at God as a celestial butler.

00:34:31.000 God, can I have health, wealth, happiness, better stock market, no longer be sick?

00:34:35.000 But being a Christian and being born with Christ comes with obligations.

00:34:40.000 We don't always talk about that because that sounds like extra work, right?

00:34:43.000 It is!

00:34:44.000 It's not just obligations.

00:34:46.000 There's a standard of holiness.

00:34:47.000 The Bible is a revelation.

00:34:49.000 It tells us there is a God, that He can be known, and that if we choose to, we can participate in His eternal kingdom, which is the most amazing invitation that will ever be put before a human being.

00:34:58.000 But we don't do it on a menu or a smorgasbord.

00:35:01.000 We'll either submit to His character.

00:35:03.000 People say, you know, well, I don't like that God, or God's not fair.

00:35:06.000 Duly noted, but it's really not relevant.

00:35:08.000 You know, I don't like the fact that when I put my head under the water, I can't breathe.

00:35:11.000 But those are the principles.

00:35:12.000 So I have to adjust to it.

00:35:14.000 And it's time to stop raging against God's poor job performance and decide we're going to participate with what He's doing in the earth, because He's doing something.

00:35:21.000 I think you're a part of that.

00:35:23.000 I watch the impact you're having in our nation and for the values you're standing up for.

00:35:27.000 Most of the true renewals, changes that have come through the history of the church did not begin in the midst of the organized church.

00:35:33.000 They began on the periphery.

00:35:34.000 Amen.

00:35:35.000 And I think we're watching that again.

00:35:37.000 It's why I'm happy to stand next to you and cheer and add momentum, because I believe God's moving in the midst of all the things you're doing.

00:35:44.000 Thank you.

00:35:46.000 It's a trying moment, for sure, because we have physical limitations, which is very humbling.

00:35:51.000 And at 30, you feel it more than at 20.

00:35:54.000 I know you're going to laugh, but it's a real thing.

00:35:56.000 I'm going to cry for you now.

00:35:57.000 It's a real thing.

00:35:58.000 I'm just being honest.

00:36:00.000 You slow down a little bit at 30, but everyone says, OK, yeah, Charlie.

00:36:04.000 But my slowdown is not like anyone else.

00:36:07.000 If a Christian out there says, Pastor, I don't know if I can vote for Trump, what is your opinion on that? 0.50

00:36:12.000 Because that is the elephant in the room.

00:36:15.000 It is.

00:36:15.000 And in this case, we have a binary choice.

00:36:19.000 And to not vote is just an expression of cowardice.

00:36:21.000 So take that off the table.

00:36:23.000 I don't think that's a legitimate option.

00:36:24.000 We have to engage in the process.

00:36:27.000 And so now we have this binary choice, and it's really, it's as distinctive a choice as any time in my lifetime, and that's quite a while.

00:36:34.000 And so, you sort through the platforms of those two parties if you can find one for Kamala, and then you choose which most represents a biblical worldview for you.

00:36:44.000 It's not perfect.

00:36:44.000 You know, if you didn't go to church until you found a perfect pastor and a perfect church, you'd never go to church.

00:36:50.000 So if you don't vote until you find a perfect candidate, you're never going to vote.

00:36:52.000 Stop it.

00:36:53.000 It's cowardice.

00:36:54.000 We've got to participate.

00:36:55.000 I totally agree.

00:36:56.000 Pastor, thank you so much.

00:36:57.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:36:58.000 Pastor Alan Jackson.

00:36:59.000 Keep up the good work.

00:36:59.000 Check out his book.

00:37:00.000 Very important.

00:37:01.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:37:02.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:37:04.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - September 17, 2024

Does Congress Want President Trump To Die?

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