An amazing conversation with Robert Hersov, one of the best conversations we have ever had about what is happening in South Africa. And then Raheem Kassam on what the heck is Putin doing, we explain.
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00:01:36.000You see, we've been covering what is happening in South Africa, but we're told by the media that it's not happening, but it's good that it is, that we need cultural context to understand the kill the boar chant.
00:01:48.000Well, in South Africa, they're doubling and tripling down on the kill the boar chat.
00:01:52.000This is now becoming global and international news.
00:01:55.000Joining us now is a very accomplished businessman from South Africa, Robert Hersov.
00:02:10.000So I'm a 64-year-old South African businessman, fifth generation, born in South Africa, spent 31 years of my life living in America, Europe, and the UK, and I went back in 2017.
00:02:23.000And in 1994, the African National Congress, the ANC, got elected.
00:02:29.000White minority rule ended, and we had democracy.
00:02:39.000But from 2008 until today, our country has gone backwards, has de-industrialized, the economy is falling apart, and the ANC government has been introducing anti-white racist laws, socialist policies, and have basically been breaking and stealing the economy.
00:03:03.000And the reason they thought they could get away with it is because we had a miracle solution in 1994 with Nelson Mandela, and the whole world went, we've sold South Africa, let's go look elsewhere.
00:03:15.000And the ANC government has used that as an excuse to bring in kleptocracy, inectocracy, and break and steal the country.
00:03:33.000I am told by the American media that there is no anti-white, anti-boar, anti-farmer sentiment, that no one is actually dying.
00:03:43.000What is the truth on the ground in South Africa from the race politics that the major South African political parties are demonstrating against South African white farmers since 1994, 140.
00:04:15.000There's black economic empowerment, which every year gets extended, not just from companies doing business with the government, but now any company over.
00:05:07.000And that fellow you're showing on the screen, Julius Malema, in an interview, said that they're going to slit the throat of whiteness, but not yet.
00:05:41.000There's classification, persecution, organization, denial, leading to extermination.
00:05:48.000And with laws like expropriation without compensation, and all the pieces being put in place, and these crazy guys with the red hats jumping up and down, there is, in process, a potential genocide.
00:06:01.000And if I may give you one more important statistic.
00:06:06.000There are so many farmers in South Africa that have been attacked, murdered, and of those murdered, 20% have been tortured.
00:06:18.000If you take the number of people, farmers murdered in South Africa, as a percentage of the 30,000 commercial farmers, extrapolate that as a pro rata number to the 3 million commercial farmers in America, from 2020 to today, 235,000 American farmers would have been killed.
00:08:53.000It's our country as much as anyone else's.
00:08:56.000So I think there's not going to be a flood of refugees to America because – And, you know, usually when a country's melting down and you can see persecution taking place, it's usually against the Jews and the Jews leave.
00:09:14.000When the Jews start leaving, you know, a country's in trouble.
00:09:32.000It's supposed to be their word they can throw against other people.
00:09:36.000And genocide, even though extermination is not happening, there is too many elements of it being put in place where it could happen.
00:09:43.000So there won't be a flood of refugees to America.
00:09:48.000But I must praise America and Donald Trump for mentioning the word genocide, putting a spotlight on South Africa, and offering people refugee status because he's brought the world's spotlight onto.
00:10:01.000The evil that the ANC and the two hard-left parties are perpetuating on our country.
00:10:08.000When I was at Oxford last week, this came up repeatedly.
00:10:12.000In fact, a young man, we had a 20-minute debate on this, where he's like, you know, I don't like the kill the boar thing, but we really should take the land from the white farmer.
00:10:21.000And I finally got him, and I can't wait for this video to be published.
00:10:24.000I finally got him to say, let me understand, under your moral worldview, I said, under what dimension is that morally fair?
00:10:40.000Every toxic idea that has infected America is on full display in the race politics of South Africa.
00:10:49.000From critical race theory, from confiscation of land, from the revenge for the ancestor actions.
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00:12:01.000Let's just remind you what they are chanting in South Africa.
00:13:21.000And they're trying to do that to reclaim the ability to steal from this country.
00:13:26.000But on the far left, you have these guys, the economic freedom fighters, who ought to be jailed, and if not jailed, sanctioned.
00:13:34.000And I'm hoping Donald Trump's administration, and it's very easy, there's a list of 2,348 names of people, hate speech, criminality, anti-Americanism, that ought to be put on those lists.
00:13:49.000Because we can't fix this country internally.
00:13:51.000We can't shift the country to free markets, democracy, rule of law.
00:14:54.000In one clip, he says there's no confiscation of land.
00:14:57.000At the end, he says there's a measure that would take land without providing compensation.
00:15:03.000Talk about the ideology of resentment, of race politics, that all of the kill the boar is a result of the envy and the greed of – So here's an interesting thing, Charlie, which no one knows.
00:15:28.00088% of South Africans are Christians, conservative, and they want the same thing all South Africans and all Americans want, a better life.
00:15:39.000Safety, security, basic services, opportunity for a job and dignity, and a better life for their children.
00:15:45.000The vast majority of South Africans want that.
00:15:49.000But it's the ruling party who are the gangsters, who want to stay in power, and who, in a malevolent and pernicious way, want to keep people poor, homeless, hopeless, unemployed, and uneducated.
00:16:06.000So that they can bribe them with social grants.
00:16:10.00028 million South Africans, 28 million out of 60 survive on social grants.
00:16:22.000So it's not the mass of South Africans that are anti-whites.
00:16:27.000It's the government and these nasty two parties on the left, supported by...
00:16:39.000Robert, in closing here, what would you say in about 30 seconds is the call to action for America to stand up against what's happening in South Africa?
00:16:50.000We're going to keep the spotlight on the bad guys.
00:16:53.000An incredible congressman like Ronnie Jackson are putting a bill into Congress and into the Senate that would identify the individuals in South Africa.
00:17:02.000That are creating hate speech, anti-Americanism, anti-Semitism and destroying our economy.
00:19:02.000You know, a story that somehow became very close to my heart since I was in the Medan Square during the revolution in the latter days of 2013 and early 2014.
00:19:13.000And looking down the pipeline at everything that could have happened there, you know, talking about the And obviously, now we're talking about Vladimir Putin, given his kind of this inability that he finds himself in now to row back from from this war.
00:19:42.000I think we need to go back about 10 days.
00:19:45.000I think it was when the vice president was in a gaggle on a plane with reporters and he said, look, He doesn't actually know how to get out of this amongst his own people.
00:20:03.000And those are, you know, the people are immediately around him, the generals, the oligarchs.
00:20:09.000What does he take to the Russian people now and say that he got, that he extracted, that he won from all of this process?
00:20:16.000And increasingly, as we look at him How does he sell a piece?
00:20:30.000Now, President Trump has tried, you know, But now you can see that the tone is shifting.
00:20:39.000And there are two tacks that he's taking.
00:20:42.000They're very familiar to people who know President Trump, but obviously it leaves the mainstream media scratching its heads because they never listen to him anyway.
00:20:49.000So the two tacks of this, what we saw this weekend, which is the volley fire of rhetoric to say, you know, hey...
00:22:32.000And Zelensky has this problem too, by the way.
00:22:34.000There's nothing really that either of those leaders can take back to their public and say, ah, look, we achieved this, that and the other for all of this blood that's been shed and for all the money that we've spent on this and for the livelihood that you have lost in the time being.
00:22:52.000And so it's this weird logjam, which brings me on to the first part of your question, which is, we are actually probably at the most dangerous part of the war since it started, because neither of these two men want to give up any face.
00:23:09.000Neither of those two armies want to be the first to be seen to back down.
00:23:13.000But also they recognize that without bearing further teeth, they can expect no further concessions.
00:23:21.000My analysis of it is there will be no further concessions.
00:23:24.000Where you land now is where you land after any given peace deal.
00:23:28.000I would counsel both of them to just get their pens on paper.
00:23:34.000So the second part is that is there any appetite within the Trump White House or the broader, let's say, Republican coalition to continue sending armaments to Ukraine if Russia wants to continue proactively?
00:23:52.000And an increasing one at that as well.
00:23:54.000And I say that as somebody who fundamentally opposed involvement from the outset, I can see on Capitol Hill, I can see within the defence establishment now, them sort of It's not their preferred route.
00:24:18.000The preferred route right now actually we'll see the fruits of in the next couple of days.
00:24:22.000What's going to happen in the next couple of days is European nations are going to decide and announce whether or not they're increasing their percentage share of GDP into the NATO budget.
00:25:11.000It will actually be somewhat of a sea change, not just for the way that Europeans regard their own defence spending, but actually how external adversaries to Europe, especially Russia, perceive European military capabilities.
00:25:27.000So that is coming in the next few days, we think.
00:25:31.000We'll see how that goes because that could change a lot.
00:25:34.000And so just kind of one final question then is what if we then start sending more armaments to Ukraine, how do we reconcile that with a lot of our position, which is that we have no business in this war.
00:25:50.000I suppose Russia, if they're willing to keep on sacrificing so many of their citizens, do they think they have the West over the barrel because we don't have Yeah,
00:26:06.000well, unfortunately, the role of a global hegemon, whether you like it or accept it or not, doesn't necessarily mean you have a part of every war, but it certainly means you have a part of every peace that is negotiated around the world.
00:26:22.000I mean, whether it is India and Pakistan, whether it is in Eastern Europe.
00:26:27.000People will look to the global hegemon for guidance, leadership, and underwriting of any peace deal that is put together.
00:26:40.000I don't feel that even my country, the United Kingdom, necessarily has a role to play in that war, in that climate.
00:26:49.000But we have to also remember that And when those promises didn't come true, and not that I'm saying they should have come true, but necessarily when they didn't come true.
00:27:16.000This war broke out as a result, and you had a number of leaders that were replaced there, again, European and American efforts.
00:27:25.000So, yeah, we don't want to be a part of this, but unfortunately, we're tidying up the messes made by the Obama-Biden administration and, indeed, the previous leadership of the European Union.
00:27:37.000I think I said it at the beginning of this administration, back in January.
00:27:43.000I said, look, if they don't have a peace settlement on the cards by summer, something drastic is going to change.
00:27:51.000Yeah, and again, the big fear here is how can you broker peace if one of the sides do not want peace?
00:27:56.000And if Russia really does not want to have peace and they're willing to keep on throwing hundreds of thousands of their own young men as just a meat grinder, then the question is what do we in the West actually do?
00:28:12.000And reconciling that with the question of what is the domestic appetite in America.
00:28:22.000Does Russia really want all of Ukraine?
00:28:25.000I think the prevailing consensus within Russia's military establishment and political establishment would say yes.
00:28:33.000I don't think public sentiment in Russia tracks the same way.
00:28:36.000This is what I mean when I talk about how Putin is looking at a legacy at this point.
00:28:41.000He knows he's not going to be in power probably in five to ten years' time, and he probably knows that the country is going in a very different direction after he leaves office.
00:28:51.000So can he bring the Russian people to him on this issue?
00:28:55.000I don't think he can, in which case I think he is literally just clinging on to a losing battle here now.
00:29:03.000Because I think everyone in this audience wants to see an end to this war.
00:29:07.000We believe that the NATO expansionism and the saber-rattling from the West largely provoked Putin.
00:29:13.000Did not excuse it, but it provoked him into invading.
00:29:16.000But now we're in kind of the trenches of this, where both sides have become blinded by their own fanaticism, convinced that they need more land as a way to save face.
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00:30:51.000Okay, so Rahim, when I was in Cambridge, a professor came up.
00:30:57.000And he thought it was laughable that Crimea would even be in contention to be Russia's.
00:31:06.000Regardless of the fact that they've annexed it, that Russian wine is from there, that the Russian Navy was headquartered from there.
00:31:12.000I mean, a lot of different aspects and elements to this.
00:31:15.000Is part of this also the West's fault for our inability to give any concessions to Putin through this process?
00:31:22.000Yeah, I think that's probably a fair analysis of it.
00:31:26.000Look, I think it's less of a fair analysis about the official class of negotiator.
00:31:36.000I think actually, while they probably won't want to tell you this, most things are on the table to bring that war to an end.
00:31:44.000And we discussed in the last segment what is on the table in terms of war making to perhaps bring Putin to the table.
00:31:52.000But also, you're right to point out different areas of what were historically both Ukraine and Russia over the last several decades being up for negotiation.
00:32:16.000And what the Russian apparatus and the Russian elites see We don't recognize you.
00:32:33.000We don't recognize Putin as the leader.
00:32:35.000And actually, none of that is coming out of officialdom.
00:32:38.000It's all coming out of, you know, the New York Times and the Washington Post and these guys.
00:32:43.000And, you know, that's not to say that they can't have their opinions on such things.
00:32:47.000But you have to understand, media works a very different way in somewhere like Russia than it does in midtown Manhattan.
00:32:56.000For a major publication that is seen as all the news that's fit to print in Russia to be publishing things like that, that would almost have to get a tacit wink and a nod from the establishment to allow that to happen.
00:33:12.000And a lot of them interpret what the media class and the academic class And the think tank class in the United States are saying is with a nudge and a wink from officialdom.
00:33:24.000You can listen to all manner of podcasts and shows, as I do, by the way, from across the liberal elite sphere, because I love to know what they're saying.
00:33:40.000And you could be mistaken into thinking that this was the view Turns out some source was, you know, an intern who worked in a subsidiary department at State, you know, 1500 miles away somewhere, trying to trying to clout chase or get or get their opinion taken seriously.
00:34:07.000Coming back to the to the to the point about about that.
00:34:31.000They don't have a feeling like we do, of necessarily war-weariness like we do.
00:34:40.000But they also don't have democratic institutions like we do.
00:34:44.000They don't have their voices represented at every level of government as we're supposed to, by the way.
00:34:48.000They don't have their voices represented in their media class as we're supposed to, by the way.
00:34:54.000And so for them, there's this giant chasm between the leadership right now, which I won't say they're not searching for a way out, but they're searching for a way out that saves them face and public will.
00:35:07.000Which is really not on the side of continuing this conflict.