The Charlie Kirk Show - May 28, 2025


Does Putin Want Peace...And What If He Doesn't? ft. Raheem Kassam


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An amazing conversation with Robert Hersov, one of the best conversations we have ever had about what is happening in South Africa. And then Raheem Kassam on what the heck is Putin doing, we explain.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:00.000 Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
00:00:04.000 What is happening in South Africa?
00:00:06.000 Kill the boar.
00:00:07.000 An amazing conversation with Robert Herzog, one of the best conversations that we have had about what's happening in South Africa.
00:00:15.000 It will blow you away.
00:00:16.000 And then Raheem Kassam on what the heck is Putin doing, we explain.
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00:01:34.000 What is going on in South Africa?
00:01:36.000 You see, we've been covering what is happening in South Africa, but we're told by the media that it's not happening, but it's good that it is, that we need cultural context to understand the kill the boar chant.
00:01:48.000 Well, in South Africa, they're doubling and tripling down on the kill the boar chat.
00:01:52.000 This is now becoming global and international news.
00:01:55.000 Joining us now is a very accomplished businessman from South Africa, Robert Hersov.
00:02:01.000 Robert, great to see you.
00:02:02.000 Thank you for joining the show.
00:02:03.000 Please introduce yourself and tell us what is happening.
00:02:07.000 Charlie, thanks for that.
00:02:09.000 An honor to be on your show.
00:02:10.000 So I'm a 64-year-old South African businessman, fifth generation, born in South Africa, spent 31 years of my life living in America, Europe, and the UK, and I went back in 2017.
00:02:23.000 And in 1994, the African National Congress, the ANC, got elected.
00:02:29.000 White minority rule ended, and we had democracy. 0.92
00:02:33.000 And for the first...
00:02:39.000 But from 2008 until today, our country has gone backwards, has de-industrialized, the economy is falling apart, and the ANC government has been introducing anti-white racist laws, socialist policies, and have basically been breaking and stealing the economy.
00:03:03.000 And the reason they thought they could get away with it is because we had a miracle solution in 1994 with Nelson Mandela, and the whole world went, we've sold South Africa, let's go look elsewhere.
00:03:15.000 And the ANC government has used that as an excuse to bring in kleptocracy, inectocracy, and break and steal the country.
00:03:24.000 It is in very, very bad shape.
00:03:27.000 And thank you, Donald Trump.
00:03:28.000 And thank you, America, for pointing it out.
00:03:31.000 So let's get into the facts here.
00:03:33.000 I am told by the American media that there is no anti-white, anti-boar, anti-farmer sentiment, that no one is actually dying.
00:03:43.000 What is the truth on the ground in South Africa from the race politics that the major South African political parties are demonstrating against South African white farmers since 1994, 140.
00:03:59.000 114, 114, anti-white, anti-coloured, anti-Indian.
00:04:05.000 Coloured is a mixture of black and white.
00:04:08.000 114 anti-white, coloured and Indian race-based laws have been introduced in our country.
00:04:14.000 114 of them.
00:04:15.000 There's black economic empowerment, which every year gets extended, not just from companies doing business with the government, but now any company over.
00:04:25.000 50 people.
00:04:27.000 There is an act that's gone, been signed into law called expropriation without compensation.
00:04:33.000 Just think about those words.
00:04:35.000 Would you invest in a country that had a law, expropriation without compensation?
00:04:40.000 Not just farms, banks, mines, the watch of your wrist.
00:04:44.000 But worse than that, there's an extreme left party called the Economic Freedom Fighters.
00:04:53.000 Think of the brown shirts in Germany in 1933.
00:04:56.000 These guys wear red berets, 100,000 of them jumping up and down in a football stadium, shouting, kill the boer, kill the farmer.
00:05:05.000 One settler, one bullet.
00:05:07.000 And that fellow you're showing on the screen, Julius Malema, in an interview, said that they're going to slit the throat of whiteness, but not yet.
00:05:17.000 And the media...
00:05:26.000 Donald Trump used the word genocide.
00:05:28.000 He said there's a genocide taking place in South Africa.
00:05:31.000 The media threw their hands in the air and said, there's no genocide, but genocide isn't just extermination.
00:05:38.000 There are ten elements to genocide.
00:05:41.000 There's classification, persecution, organization, denial, leading to extermination.
00:05:48.000 And with laws like expropriation without compensation, and all the pieces being put in place, and these crazy guys with the red hats jumping up and down, there is, in process, a potential genocide.
00:06:01.000 And if I may give you one more important statistic.
00:06:06.000 There are so many farmers in South Africa that have been attacked, murdered, and of those murdered, 20% have been tortured.
00:06:16.000 And raped.
00:06:18.000 If you take the number of people, farmers murdered in South Africa, as a percentage of the 30,000 commercial farmers, extrapolate that as a pro rata number to the 3 million commercial farmers in America, from 2020 to today, 235,000 American farmers would have been killed.
00:06:41.000 Holy crow.
00:06:42.000 And you'd tell me there's nothing happening in South Africa?
00:06:46.000 That almost takes your breath away when you think about that.
00:06:49.000 Is it black people that are going and hunting down white farmers? 0.86
00:06:54.000 And are white farmers hunting down black people?
00:06:56.000 Because it would be a national news story if white farmers were going after black individuals.
00:07:02.000 Which way is it?
00:07:03.000 So it's not just white farmers.
00:07:06.000 The black colored Indian farmers being attacked too.
00:07:09.000 But the vast majority have been white farmers.
00:07:13.000 And it is...
00:07:22.000 You don't torture someone unless there's a hatred of some sort, which is racial.
00:07:28.000 And this Julius Maleman is EFF jumping up and down saying, kill the Boer.
00:07:32.000 Boer means farmer.
00:07:34.000 One bullet, one settler is inciting that sort of anger and horror.
00:07:39.000 But there are no white people hunting down black people.
00:07:42.000 Nothing.
00:07:43.000 It is a one-way street.
00:07:45.000 So the entire world basically came to a standstill and we had massive civil unrest in America with the drug overdose of George Floyd.
00:07:54.000 And now we are seeing in South Africa a pattern where you say if you extrapolate that to America, 235,000 American farmers.
00:08:02.000 But we're told that it's not happening.
00:08:04.000 The media is insistent.
00:08:06.000 How many of these white farmers and these boars now want to come to America? 1.00
00:08:11.000 If things were wonderful, then they would stay there.
00:08:15.000 That is the evidence that they own the land, their parents were there.
00:08:19.000 Yet, how many of them want to actually now come to America? 0.94
00:08:23.000 So there have been 13 generations of Afrikaners.
00:08:27.000 An Afrikaner is a white African.
00:08:30.000 There have been 13 generations of Afrikaners in South Africa.
00:08:33.000 The first Dutch settlers escaping persecution, Huguenots, came to the Cape in 1652.
00:08:40.000 I think Mayflower was 1620.
00:08:43.000 So if the white Africans are going to get kicked out of Africa, I mean, you want to kick all the Americans out of America? 0.76
00:08:50.000 It makes no sense.
00:08:50.000 We're African.
00:08:51.000 We grew up there.
00:08:53.000 It's our country as much as anyone else's.
00:08:56.000 So I think there's not going to be a flood of refugees to America because – And, you know, usually when a country's melting down and you can see persecution taking place, it's usually against the Jews and the Jews leave.
00:09:14.000 When the Jews start leaving, you know, a country's in trouble. 1.00
00:09:16.000 But they can go to Israel. 0.67
00:09:19.000 The Afrikaners have got nowhere to go. 1.00
00:09:22.000 South Africa's their land. 0.98
00:09:23.000 It's my land.
00:09:24.000 Why should we leave?
00:09:25.000 So what Donald Trump's done, which is incredibly intelligent, he used the word genocide.
00:09:31.000 Which the left hates.
00:09:32.000 It's supposed to be their word they can throw against other people.
00:09:36.000 And genocide, even though extermination is not happening, there is too many elements of it being put in place where it could happen.
00:09:43.000 So there won't be a flood of refugees to America.
00:09:48.000 But I must praise America and Donald Trump for mentioning the word genocide, putting a spotlight on South Africa, and offering people refugee status because he's brought the world's spotlight onto.
00:10:01.000 The evil that the ANC and the two hard-left parties are perpetuating on our country.
00:10:08.000 When I was at Oxford last week, this came up repeatedly.
00:10:12.000 In fact, a young man, we had a 20-minute debate on this, where he's like, you know, I don't like the kill the boar thing, but we really should take the land from the white farmer. 0.78
00:10:21.000 And I finally got him, and I can't wait for this video to be published.
00:10:24.000 I finally got him to say, let me understand, under your moral worldview, I said, under what dimension is that morally fair?
00:10:38.000 This intergenerational sin.
00:10:40.000 Every toxic idea that has infected America is on full display in the race politics of South Africa. 0.99
00:10:49.000 From critical race theory, from confiscation of land, from the revenge for the ancestor actions.
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00:12:01.000 Let's just remind you what they are chanting in South Africa.
00:12:04.000 Play cut 182.
00:12:05.000 Play cut 182.
00:12:20.000 Just an entire stadium raving, kill the boar. 0.99
00:12:24.000 With gunshot noises.
00:12:25.000 But Robert, I am told by our media we are lacking cultural context.
00:12:30.000 What am I missing here?
00:12:31.000 You're missing nothing.
00:12:33.000 The left wing, the mainstream media, believe we deserve it.
00:12:39.000 We deserve it.
00:12:41.000 That's how sick the left is.
00:12:43.000 This is a terrifying situation.
00:12:45.000 The economy is broken.
00:12:46.000 A million South Africans have emigrated, have left.
00:12:50.000 The white population of South Africa is 7%.
00:12:53.000 It used to be 20%.
00:12:55.000 And listen to these statistics.
00:12:57.000 Our unemployment rate is 40%.
00:12:59.000 And our youth unemployment rate is 60%.
00:13:03.000 So the ANC government has destroyed the economy, broken all the state-owned enterprises.
00:13:09.000 And now, after 31 years, because they've failed, what are they using as the excuse?
00:13:17.000 Colonialism.
00:13:18.000 Whiteness.
00:13:19.000 Apartheid. 0.66
00:13:21.000 And they're trying to do that to reclaim the ability to steal from this country.
00:13:26.000 But on the far left, you have these guys, the economic freedom fighters, who ought to be jailed, and if not jailed, sanctioned.
00:13:34.000 And I'm hoping Donald Trump's administration, and it's very easy, there's a list of 2,348 names of people, hate speech, criminality, anti-Americanism, that ought to be put on those lists.
00:13:49.000 Because we can't fix this country internally.
00:13:51.000 We can't shift the country to free markets, democracy, rule of law.
00:13:56.000 It's falling apart.
00:13:57.000 And the West has looked the other way.
00:14:00.000 Britain and Europe have been pathetic, thinking soft diplomacy works.
00:14:05.000 And America's been just as bad until the arrival of Donald Trump.
00:14:10.000 So we have one chance only to save this country.
00:14:13.000 And unfortunately or fortunately, it's coming from you.
00:14:16.000 American left wing race hustlers are very quick to try and distort what is happening in South Africa.
00:14:23.000 Listen carefully.
00:14:24.000 This is the celebration parallax, as the great Michael Anton would say.
00:14:28.000 It's not happening, but it's good that it is.
00:14:30.000 Play cut 203.
00:14:31.000 And there is no confiscation of land.
00:14:35.000 Half of South Africa is white-owned farms, essentially.
00:14:39.000 Even though the white population is only 7%, what the government did do that really caught Trump's eye this year was a measure.
00:14:51.000 Wait, what?
00:14:54.000 In one clip, he says there's no confiscation of land.
00:14:57.000 At the end, he says there's a measure that would take land without providing compensation.
00:15:03.000 Talk about the ideology of resentment, of race politics, that all of the kill the boar is a result of the envy and the greed of – So here's an interesting thing, Charlie, which no one knows.
00:15:28.000 88% of South Africans are Christians, conservative, and they want the same thing all South Africans and all Americans want, a better life.
00:15:39.000 Safety, security, basic services, opportunity for a job and dignity, and a better life for their children.
00:15:45.000 The vast majority of South Africans want that.
00:15:49.000 But it's the ruling party who are the gangsters, who want to stay in power, and who, in a malevolent and pernicious way, want to keep people poor, homeless, hopeless, unemployed, and uneducated.
00:16:06.000 So that they can bribe them with social grants.
00:16:10.000 28 million South Africans, 28 million out of 60 survive on social grants.
00:16:16.000 Our economy is growing at 1%.
00:16:19.000 Our population growth at 2%.
00:16:22.000 So it's not the mass of South Africans that are anti-whites.
00:16:27.000 It's the government and these nasty two parties on the left, supported by...
00:16:39.000 Robert, in closing here, what would you say in about 30 seconds is the call to action for America to stand up against what's happening in South Africa?
00:16:48.000 America, thank you for taking notice.
00:16:50.000 We're going to keep the spotlight on the bad guys.
00:16:53.000 An incredible congressman like Ronnie Jackson are putting a bill into Congress and into the Senate that would identify the individuals in South Africa.
00:17:02.000 That are creating hate speech, anti-Americanism, anti-Semitism and destroying our economy.
00:17:07.000 Sanction them.
00:17:08.000 Put them on the Magnitsky list.
00:17:10.000 SDN them. 0.54
00:17:11.000 Pick on the individuals, but please try not to pick on the country because our economy is on its knees.
00:17:17.000 Thank you, America.
00:17:19.000 Robert, God bless you.
00:17:20.000 And thank you for your courage speaking out on this on this issue.
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00:18:28.000 Joining us now is Rahim Kassam, editor-in-chief of TheNationalPulse.com.
00:18:33.000 That is TheNationalPulse.com.
00:18:35.000 Rahim, great to see you.
00:18:37.000 Rahim, it's with great confusion that we are looking at what's happening with Russia and Ukraine.
00:18:41.000 President Donald Trump...
00:18:58.000 What's going on here?
00:19:00.000 Yeah, thanks, Charlie.
00:19:01.000 Thank you for having me.
00:19:02.000 You know, a story that somehow became very close to my heart since I was in the Medan Square during the revolution in the latter days of 2013 and early 2014.
00:19:13.000 And looking down the pipeline at everything that could have happened there, you know, talking about the And obviously, now we're talking about Vladimir Putin, given his kind of this inability that he finds himself in now to row back from from this war.
00:19:42.000 I think we need to go back about 10 days.
00:19:45.000 I think it was when the vice president was in a gaggle on a plane with reporters and he said, look, He doesn't actually know how to get out of this amongst his own people.
00:20:03.000 And those are, you know, the people are immediately around him, the generals, the oligarchs.
00:20:07.000 But it's also the Russian people.
00:20:09.000 What does he take to the Russian people now and say that he got, that he extracted, that he won from all of this process?
00:20:16.000 And increasingly, as we look at him How does he sell a piece?
00:20:30.000 Now, President Trump has tried, you know, But now you can see that the tone is shifting.
00:20:39.000 And there are two tacks that he's taking.
00:20:42.000 They're very familiar to people who know President Trump, but obviously it leaves the mainstream media scratching its heads because they never listen to him anyway.
00:20:49.000 So the two tacks of this, what we saw this weekend, which is the volley fire of rhetoric to say, you know, hey...
00:20:58.000 We need you at the table.
00:20:59.000 You need to be at the table.
00:21:01.000 What have you done?
00:21:02.000 Lost your mind.
00:21:03.000 And the other one is the carrot, right?
00:21:06.000 Which is the economic exposure.
00:21:09.000 Welcome back to the G8.
00:21:10.000 We'll have you at all the conferences.
00:21:12.000 You know, we can move past this.
00:21:14.000 We can invest in Russia and have Russia invest in the Western world again. 0.85
00:21:19.000 And that is something that we're seeing now, I guess.
00:21:23.000 In the last seven days that has now become the tactic for the Trump administration.
00:21:28.000 It's certainly been a longer and a harder slog towards peace than I think almost everyone had hoped.
00:21:34.000 But we can still see that there are weapons in the arsenal of peace here.
00:21:40.000 So I have several thoughts here.
00:21:42.000 Number one, what is Russia and Putin's calculus here?
00:21:46.000 Why are they bombing cities in the midst of these peace negotiations?
00:21:49.000 And do you think Russia wants an end to this war?
00:21:53.000 I'll take the second question first, if you don't mind.
00:21:55.000 I think yes.
00:21:56.000 And I think yes, because the war hasn't extracted for Russia what it necessarily wanted.
00:22:02.000 They didn't go far enough, I think they would say.
00:22:06.000 In the early days of the war, they failed to secure the capital.
00:22:10.000 They failed to decapitate the leader of the government there at the time.
00:22:14.000 And so this slow trudge hasn't really worked out the way they wanted it to work out.
00:22:19.000 Look, I think...
00:22:32.000 And Zelensky has this problem too, by the way.
00:22:34.000 There's nothing really that either of those leaders can take back to their public and say, ah, look, we achieved this, that and the other for all of this blood that's been shed and for all the money that we've spent on this and for the livelihood that you have lost in the time being.
00:22:50.000 Right?
00:22:50.000 There isn't that.
00:22:52.000 And so it's this weird logjam, which brings me on to the first part of your question, which is, we are actually probably at the most dangerous part of the war since it started, because neither of these two men want to give up any face.
00:23:09.000 Neither of those two armies want to be the first to be seen to back down.
00:23:13.000 But also they recognize that without bearing further teeth, they can expect no further concessions.
00:23:21.000 My analysis of it is there will be no further concessions.
00:23:24.000 Where you land now is where you land after any given peace deal.
00:23:28.000 I would counsel both of them to just get their pens on paper.
00:23:32.000 And so that's the first thing.
00:23:34.000 So the second part is that is there any appetite within the Trump White House or the broader, let's say, Republican coalition to continue sending armaments to Ukraine if Russia wants to continue proactively?
00:23:49.000 Yes, yes, there is.
00:23:52.000 And an increasing one at that as well.
00:23:54.000 And I say that as somebody who fundamentally opposed involvement from the outset, I can see on Capitol Hill, I can see within the defence establishment now, them sort of It's not their preferred route.
00:24:17.000 Right now.
00:24:18.000 The preferred route right now actually we'll see the fruits of in the next couple of days.
00:24:22.000 What's going to happen in the next couple of days is European nations are going to decide and announce whether or not they're increasing their percentage share of GDP into the NATO budget.
00:24:35.000 Remember, it typically been 2%.
00:24:37.000 Just about nobody was reaching that in the first instance.
00:24:40.000 Trump comes along in 2016.
00:24:42.000 About half of NATO members go, OK.
00:24:45.000 We're going to do it.
00:24:46.000 About half of the half ended up doing it.
00:24:49.000 Now President Trump has been talking about upping that to 5%.
00:24:53.000 And the rumor mill is such that across Europe, a lot of these governments now are about to say, you know what?
00:24:59.000 Yes, it's high time we do this.
00:25:01.000 and announce an increase to 5% GDP spending for defence.
00:25:07.000 That will be...
00:25:11.000 It will actually be somewhat of a sea change, not just for the way that Europeans regard their own defence spending, but actually how external adversaries to Europe, especially Russia, perceive European military capabilities.
00:25:27.000 So that is coming in the next few days, we think.
00:25:31.000 We'll see how that goes because that could change a lot.
00:25:34.000 And so just kind of one final question then is what if we then start sending more armaments to Ukraine, how do we reconcile that with a lot of our position, which is that we have no business in this war.
00:25:48.000 We've said this for quite a while.
00:25:50.000 I suppose Russia, if they're willing to keep on sacrificing so many of their citizens, do they think they have the West over the barrel because we don't have Yeah,
00:26:06.000 well, unfortunately, the role of a global hegemon, whether you like it or accept it or not, doesn't necessarily mean you have a part of every war, but it certainly means you have a part of every peace that is negotiated around the world.
00:26:22.000 I mean, whether it is India and Pakistan, whether it is in Eastern Europe.
00:26:27.000 People will look to the global hegemon for guidance, leadership, and underwriting of any peace deal that is put together.
00:26:35.000 So I take your point entirely.
00:26:38.000 I feel exactly the same way.
00:26:40.000 I don't feel that even my country, the United Kingdom, necessarily has a role to play in that war, in that climate.
00:26:49.000 But we have to also remember that And when those promises didn't come true, and not that I'm saying they should have come true, but necessarily when they didn't come true.
00:27:16.000 This war broke out as a result, and you had a number of leaders that were replaced there, again, European and American efforts.
00:27:25.000 So, yeah, we don't want to be a part of this, but unfortunately, we're tidying up the messes made by the Obama-Biden administration and, indeed, the previous leadership of the European Union.
00:27:37.000 I think I said it at the beginning of this administration, back in January.
00:27:43.000 I said, look, if they don't have a peace settlement on the cards by summer, something drastic is going to change.
00:27:51.000 Yeah, and again, the big fear here is how can you broker peace if one of the sides do not want peace?
00:27:56.000 And if Russia really does not want to have peace and they're willing to keep on throwing hundreds of thousands of their own young men as just a meat grinder, then the question is what do we in the West actually do? 0.54
00:28:12.000 And reconciling that with the question of what is the domestic appetite in America.
00:28:20.000 About one minute remaining, Rahim.
00:28:22.000 Does Russia really want all of Ukraine?
00:28:25.000 I think the prevailing consensus within Russia's military establishment and political establishment would say yes.
00:28:33.000 I don't think public sentiment in Russia tracks the same way.
00:28:36.000 This is what I mean when I talk about how Putin is looking at a legacy at this point.
00:28:41.000 He knows he's not going to be in power probably in five to ten years' time, and he probably knows that the country is going in a very different direction after he leaves office.
00:28:51.000 So can he bring the Russian people to him on this issue?
00:28:55.000 I don't think he can, in which case I think he is literally just clinging on to a losing battle here now.
00:29:01.000 This is a tough one.
00:29:03.000 Because I think everyone in this audience wants to see an end to this war.
00:29:07.000 We believe that the NATO expansionism and the saber-rattling from the West largely provoked Putin.
00:29:13.000 Did not excuse it, but it provoked him into invading.
00:29:16.000 But now we're in kind of the trenches of this, where both sides have become blinded by their own fanaticism, convinced that they need more land as a way to save face.
00:29:28.000 This is a toughie.
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00:30:51.000 Okay, so Rahim, when I was in Cambridge, a professor came up.
00:30:57.000 And he thought it was laughable that Crimea would even be in contention to be Russia's.
00:31:06.000 Regardless of the fact that they've annexed it, that Russian wine is from there, that the Russian Navy was headquartered from there.
00:31:12.000 I mean, a lot of different aspects and elements to this.
00:31:15.000 Is part of this also the West's fault for our inability to give any concessions to Putin through this process?
00:31:22.000 Yeah, I think that's probably a fair analysis of it.
00:31:26.000 Look, I think it's less of a fair analysis about the official class of negotiator.
00:31:36.000 I think actually, while they probably won't want to tell you this, most things are on the table to bring that war to an end.
00:31:44.000 And we discussed in the last segment what is on the table in terms of war making to perhaps bring Putin to the table.
00:31:52.000 But also, you're right to point out different areas of what were historically both Ukraine and Russia over the last several decades being up for negotiation.
00:32:04.000 The problem is not that.
00:32:07.000 The problem is exactly of which you speak.
00:32:10.000 It's the academic class.
00:32:12.000 It's the op-ed writers.
00:32:13.000 It's the media class.
00:32:16.000 And what the Russian apparatus and the Russian elites see We don't recognize you.
00:32:33.000 We don't recognize Putin as the leader.
00:32:35.000 And actually, none of that is coming out of officialdom.
00:32:38.000 It's all coming out of, you know, the New York Times and the Washington Post and these guys.
00:32:43.000 And, you know, that's not to say that they can't have their opinions on such things.
00:32:47.000 But you have to understand, media works a very different way in somewhere like Russia than it does in midtown Manhattan.
00:32:56.000 For a major publication that is seen as all the news that's fit to print in Russia to be publishing things like that, that would almost have to get a tacit wink and a nod from the establishment to allow that to happen.
00:33:12.000 And a lot of them interpret what the media class and the academic class And the think tank class in the United States are saying is with a nudge and a wink from officialdom.
00:33:23.000 And that is simply not the case.
00:33:24.000 You can listen to all manner of podcasts and shows, as I do, by the way, from across the liberal elite sphere, because I love to know what they're saying.
00:33:36.000 It's usually opinion driven nonsense.
00:33:40.000 And you could be mistaken into thinking that this was the view Turns out some source was, you know, an intern who worked in a subsidiary department at State, you know, 1500 miles away somewhere, trying to trying to clout chase or get or get their opinion taken seriously.
00:34:07.000 Coming back to the to the to the point about about that.
00:34:13.000 Look, what?
00:34:29.000 This isn't new to them.
00:34:31.000 They don't have a feeling like we do, of necessarily war-weariness like we do.
00:34:40.000 But they also don't have democratic institutions like we do.
00:34:44.000 They don't have their voices represented at every level of government as we're supposed to, by the way.
00:34:48.000 They don't have their voices represented in their media class as we're supposed to, by the way.
00:34:54.000 And so for them, there's this giant chasm between the leadership right now, which I won't say they're not searching for a way out, but they're searching for a way out that saves them face and public will.
00:35:07.000 Which is really not on the side of continuing this conflict.
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00:35:14.000 Raheem, thank you so much.
00:35:15.000 Great analysis.
00:35:16.000 I want to hear from you.
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00:35:19.000 If this war is ongoing, do you support sending more money and arms to Ukraine?
00:35:24.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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