The Charlie Kirk Show - March 15, 2024


Does the Civil Rights Movement Include "LGBTQ+?" Part 2 with Bishop Aubrey Shines


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In Part 2 of my conversation with Bishop Aubrey Shines, we discuss the impact of the LGBTQ community on the legacy of MLK and the LGBTQ movement in general. Bishop Shines and I discuss the importance of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and how it changed the course of American history.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, part two of my conversation with Bishop Aubrey Shines.
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00:01:19.000 And so one of the legislative legacies of MLK is the Civil Rights Act.
00:01:27.000 And one of the things that we talked about in our show that I think I want to talk about, which is how the Civil Rights Act has been expanded way beyond its scope in modern America to include the transgender, the homosexual.
00:01:42.000 And how do you think that, in your opinion, actually damages the legacy of King?
00:01:47.000 Oh, it damages it big time because, again, there were homosexuals that were during the time of King that wanted to participate in the movement and King would not allow it. 0.76
00:01:55.000 A lot of people don't know the history of that.
00:01:57.000 Yeah, talk more about that.
00:01:58.000 Oh, absolutely.
00:01:59.000 There are great writers and authors like James Baldwin.
00:02:02.000 A lot of people adhere to James.
00:02:04.000 And Baldwin, I have to admit, was a phenomenal writer, a phenomenal thinker, but he was a practicing homosexual. 1.00
00:02:12.000 There were others.
00:02:14.000 King chose, no, we can't do this publicly.
00:02:19.000 We believe in the rights of all people, but we're not pushing sexuality here.
00:02:24.000 He dealt with issues of that magnitude.
00:02:26.000 Now, these are issues that a lot of media won't pick up.
00:02:28.000 You got to know the material, got to know the books, got to be able to read it, got to be able to talk about it with the individuals that were there.
00:02:34.000 So when I see the hijacking of the civil rights movement from the LGBTQ, I'm a numbers boy. 1.00
00:02:44.000 I deal with nothing but numbers all the time.
00:02:46.000 I come out of a family, very successful business.
00:02:48.000 Let's look at the numbers.
00:02:50.000 I challenge your audience, and especially the LGBT audience that monitors you and I all the time, looking for a crack to bring us down. 1.00
00:02:59.000 Let's look at the numbers.
00:03:00.000 Tell me, Charlie, and this is me being a bit facetious.
00:03:04.000 Sure. 0.98
00:03:05.000 What water fountains were homosexuals not allowed to drink in? 0.95
00:03:10.000 Tell me about the schools, Charlie, that they said no homosexuals allowed. 0.98
00:03:14.000 I can't get a cake. 0.93
00:03:15.000 Oh my.
00:03:17.000 Wow.
00:03:18.000 Then no one's still stopping you from owning the store of your own to buy your own cake.
00:03:23.000 And as if there weren't other competitors to exist yet.
00:03:26.000 I worked on that case, by the way.
00:03:27.000 I really did.
00:03:28.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:03:29.000 Jack and his cause.
00:03:30.000 And we did videos.
00:03:31.000 So when I hear, quote, the gay community is the new civil rights or the new black, every black American should be horrified that, watch this, someone who is born with a certain melanin in their skin is the same as an individual that chooses a lifestyle. 0.91
00:03:54.000 You're not born homosexual.
00:03:56.000 Now, I'll get slack on that, but to date, there is no scientific evidence that you have a gene in your body that makes you, quote, attracted to other people.
00:04:09.000 What we do have is behavioral science statistics that say there's a large portion.
00:04:14.000 I remember the doctor that Ben Carson, he said this once and the media went apoplectic when he says, well, what do we do with men that been incarcerated, went in heterosexual, and they're molested so many times, it breaks their will and they find themselves practicing this.
00:04:32.000 Charlie, I go further.
00:04:34.000 I've married men and women that have once practiced the lifestyle that have come out and says, wait a minute, I've had this epiphany with Christ.
00:04:45.000 Christ is not interested in my lifestyle here.
00:04:50.000 They broke that in Christ.
00:04:52.000 I married them.
00:04:53.000 They're still married, producing children.
00:04:55.000 So if they're born that way, how did they become unborn to be, you see the complexity here?
00:05:01.000 So this is what was really helpful to me when I asked you a pointed question.
00:05:07.000 I said a hypothetical.
00:05:09.000 If MLK was alive today, would he be on board with the media and the activist groups saying that the LGBT is the new civil rights movement?
00:05:20.000 I could only answer that predicated on what he already did.
00:05:24.000 Based on what we know.
00:05:25.000 Based on what we're doing.
00:05:25.000 The answer is probably no.
00:05:27.000 Well, again, see, here's the conundrum.
00:05:31.000 Someone said, well, it was a different time.
00:05:33.000 Pardon me.
00:05:34.000 Was it?
00:05:35.000 Because here's this star of a champion, Martin Luther King, who gave his life.
00:05:41.000 I mean, you talk about a martyr.
00:05:43.000 He was martyred for what he believed in.
00:05:45.000 Why would all of a sudden he say, well, I'm not going to take up this cause because I'm afraid?
00:05:51.000 Come on.
00:05:52.000 He wasn't afraid to give his life for what he believed.
00:05:54.000 So we already have a body of evidence of what he's already done.
00:05:58.000 And I think it's unfair for any group to come along now and say, well, what do you have done this here?
00:06:03.000 Well, we can go by what he did.
00:06:05.000 Yeah, so maybe more fairly, is it even accurate or should we tolerate?
00:06:12.000 And I know the answer we're going to say, that the righteous civil rights movement to end racial segregation in the 50s and 60s shouldn't even be in the same conversation as this nonsense.
00:06:24.000 It can't be.
00:06:25.000 And I think it's insulting. 0.52
00:06:27.000 It is an insult, but it shouldn't just be an insult to black people.
00:06:31.000 There were whites.
00:06:33.000 The movement of MLK was not a, quote, black movement.
00:06:37.000 Only one that thinks it is some revisionist that can't, I don't know, maybe they can't see physically and they can't determine.
00:06:44.000 There were whites at March with King.
00:06:47.000 I know of a man.
00:06:48.000 He's deceased now that marched with King.
00:06:51.000 He's as white as white could have ever been. 0.99
00:06:53.000 Lived in the South, lived in Georgia.
00:06:55.000 There were whites at March with King.
00:06:58.000 So to some kind of way clump together the LGBTQ movement and say, well, we're part of that civil rights.
00:07:06.000 Under what mindset?
00:07:08.000 Again, here's the insult. 1.00
00:07:10.000 Black people are born black, no different than brown people are born brown. 0.99
00:07:15.000 But we have no scientific evidence that people are born with a sexual preference. 0.91
00:07:22.000 That's a choice that people make.
00:07:24.000 Now, I like that I say it, but prove me wrong.
00:07:28.000 I'll wait and I'll keep waiting.
00:07:32.000 Show me the science behind that a person is born with a gene.
00:07:36.000 Because if you're born with a certain gene, you can't change it no more than a white guy can change his or her skin. 0.60
00:07:43.000 I don't care if you bleach it or tan it to death.
00:07:46.000 At your core, take the blood test.
00:07:49.000 You'll see exactly who you are.
00:07:51.000 So when we're talking about individuals that have something in their mind, Charlie, what happens 200 years from now if a forensic scientist, I don't know, was to exhume a body of an individual.
00:08:02.000 How would they be able to determine what was in their mind?
00:08:04.000 They can tell you by the DNA of the bone, this was a male.
00:08:09.000 This was a male from this region or that region.
00:08:12.000 But one thing is for sure, there would be no 200 genders exhumed. 1.00
00:08:17.000 Impossible.
00:08:19.000 That's impossible. 0.76
00:08:20.000 So when we talk about life choices, I could choose to be a murderer. 0.99
00:08:28.000 Or a pedophile. 0.99
00:08:29.000 Or an arsonist. 0.97
00:08:31.000 How far we want to go here.
00:08:32.000 So to clump together what people choose to do is very different than what you're born as.
00:08:40.000 King, myself, you, others, we're born with or without a element of melanin for genetic reasons, have nothing to do with, well, I choose today, as Rachel did, I'm going to be black.
00:08:55.000 Well, yeah, I mean, really?
00:08:59.000 Okay, well, you can tan it, darling, but it doesn't make you black. 0.87
00:09:03.000 But that's why the conversation is crazy.
00:09:07.000 This is not about what King did in the civil rights with blacks and whites working together.
00:09:14.000 It was simply to say the laws that are on the book, let's live them out, had nothing to do with sexual preference.
00:09:22.000 You talk about a group of people that were discriminated against.
00:09:25.000 They could not work certain places, couldn't go to school in certain places, couldn't even buy a house for God's sake in certain places.
00:09:31.000 And we know this.
00:09:32.000 We know the history where we saw even guys like Frank Sinatra helping out people like Nat King Cole and Sammy Davis Jr. to say, hey, if you don't allow my friend who happened to be black to in here to buy, then I'm not going to use you either. 0.97
00:09:45.000 So again, we should not allow one segment, one population of a group, and a very small population, by the way, to begin to take us away from the original idea of what the civil rights group was really all about.
00:10:01.000 It had nothing to do with sexuality.
00:10:03.000 It had everything to do with making laws equal as related to black and white issues.
00:10:10.000 Period.
00:10:10.000 And so, and I thank you for saying that.
00:10:12.000 And that's very persuasive to me.
00:10:14.000 So another thought that I want to address here is right before we did the MLK episode, I listened to an NPR podcast, National Public Radio, and there's two black hosts, and they were mad, not mad at me.
00:10:27.000 They were mad that MLK's legacy has been whitewashed.
00:10:30.000 What did they mean?
00:10:32.000 I'm going to paraphrase their argument.
00:10:33.000 Sure.
00:10:33.000 And this actually inspired me to speak out.
00:10:36.000 And I could send it to you.
00:10:38.000 Sure.
00:10:39.000 And I just want to kind of give people an understanding of where I'm coming from.
00:10:42.000 Their argument is that MLK was a radical, that MLK would have embraced DEI and CRT.
00:10:50.000 Let me kind of finish here, right?
00:10:51.000 And they said that conservatives whitewash it to try to say that MLK believed in colorblindness when in reality, MLK would have been in the streets with BLM.
00:11:02.000 And I listened to this, and it wasn't the only thing, but I said, boy, is that really how, you know, radical left-wing academics think.
00:11:10.000 So there's this fight over MLK in some way.
00:11:13.000 What is the truth?
00:11:14.000 I don't care about their opinion.
00:11:15.000 I just wanted to note you don't know that backstory.
00:11:17.000 Yeah, I'm glad to hear that.
00:11:19.000 It's funny, by the way, I have to tell you.
00:11:20.000 That's really funny.
00:11:21.000 Because let's think about BLM for just a moment here.
00:11:24.000 Black lives matter.
00:11:26.000 Let me see.
00:11:27.000 King believed that all lives matter.
00:11:31.000 King didn't believe in infanticide.
00:11:33.000 He spoke about it in St. Louis, Missouri.
00:11:36.000 He said, and I quote, one of the issues within the Negro community is to make sure that we get rid of this idea. 0.98
00:11:42.000 He's talking about abortion, of abortion.
00:11:44.000 He says, for if you cannot see the value of who you are, that doesn't sound like a BLM thing to me.
00:11:51.000 King believed in what I call and what all of us should understand as heterosexual normity.
00:11:57.000 He pushed the ideal of male and female.
00:12:00.000 Not once was he ever quoted anything he's ever written, any speech ever given.
00:12:06.000 I listened to them all.
00:12:07.000 He's never once pushed genderism.
00:12:10.000 He pushed equality as related between the black and white race because that was the issue at his time.
00:12:17.000 So again, for these revisionists to be able to say, well, he would have been out in the streets marching.
00:12:22.000 You mean the same marches that burned down part of America?
00:12:26.000 And yeah, that was their contention.
00:12:27.000 Sorry to interrupt.
00:12:28.000 Their contention was that MLK would shut down highways or tell people to.
00:12:32.000 And again, I'm not saying I believe this.
00:12:34.000 They made him seem as if he was a, he would have been in the streets during the Floyd stuff.
00:12:41.000 Really?
00:12:42.000 Let me see.
00:12:43.000 I don't have any history of King supporting Floyd.
00:12:48.000 Let's look at Floyd's life.
00:12:49.000 Well, the Floyd type.
00:12:51.000 Okay, thank you.
00:12:53.000 Here's a drug addict, a fitnal user, a man who took a gun and put it on a pregnant woman's stomach, a man who had just ripped off and robbed.
00:13:04.000 King was not violent.
00:13:07.000 As a matter of fact, if I could write history, I would have made him a little more violent, but that's my opinion.
00:13:13.000 King didn't believe in any of that.
00:13:14.000 Now, we can all sit, we as a collective people, and say, well, he probably would have done this.
00:13:21.000 The best way to ever answer questions of that magnitude is to find out what a person has already done.
00:13:26.000 To add to it, it's just that.
00:13:28.000 You're adding.
00:13:28.000 That's speculation.
00:13:29.000 That's all it is.
00:13:30.000 So you're talking conjecture.
00:13:32.000 You're talking about something.
00:13:33.000 Well, he may have done this.
00:13:35.000 Well, he may have flew if he had wings.
00:13:37.000 I don't know, but we know for a fact he walked.
00:13:40.000 Why?
00:13:41.000 Because we don't have any record of him ever flying.
00:13:43.000 So again, the logic doesn't exist.
00:13:47.000 So when they say that, Marxist liberals in these universities, they need King to be made in their image because it pushes their ideology.
00:13:57.000 I find that persuasive.
00:13:58.000 Yeah.
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00:15:04.000 So there's so many other elements I want to talk about here, Bishop, but I want to just repeat the question.
00:15:09.000 What else do you think our audience needs to hear that you think I might have missed in all the coverage of this?
00:15:16.000 Let's talk about it and just be as yeah, let's be a real moment here.
00:15:22.000 I remember your feelings about some of the FBI files.
00:15:26.000 This is the best argument.
00:15:27.000 Yeah.
00:15:28.000 And I said to you, I said, and I'm paraphrasing what I said.
00:15:31.000 Please, yeah.
00:15:31.000 So correct me if I don't stay on course here.
00:15:33.000 I think I'm pretty good at it.
00:15:36.000 I remember saying, Charlie, If you use Charlie, the FBI files about King, I said, Charlie, you're talking about the same FBI like Ray right now, who goes in and felt it necessary to target conservatives to make sure people don't do mass and those that believe in Latin mass, we're going to watch them too. 0.75
00:15:56.000 We're talking about a guy, the FBI, that covers up things like, oh, I don't know, the still dossier.
00:16:02.000 So, how far do we want to go?
00:16:04.000 I said, Charlie, you can't use the FBI for any type of argument because we have a history of guys like Hoover.
00:16:15.000 Are we serious?
00:16:16.000 Are we going to really use?
00:16:18.000 So, my thing is, let's go to those that knew him.
00:16:23.000 I'm sure there's enough evidence out there to say in King's life, he had challenges, but let's stay with the FBI portion of it.
00:16:32.000 I'm sorry, Charlie.
00:16:34.000 I don't believe in, I believe the FBI should be dismantled as we know it.
00:16:39.000 This is why I'm, I got to give Trump a plug.
00:16:42.000 This is the best argument.
00:16:43.000 Yeah, because look at what they're doing right now.
00:16:46.000 We got guys in jail where we know for fact now that the January 6th was a hoax, it's a cover-up.
00:16:55.000 Again, stay with the FBI.
00:16:57.000 We know that there were over 200 FBI agents, Charlie, on the ground.
00:17:02.000 Why did you and I hear it?
00:17:04.000 So, let me conclude: why in the world would I listen to an FBI that's not being authentic?
00:17:12.000 They're not honest.
00:17:14.000 So, why would I believe them to be honest about a man that was changing a system called Martin Luther King?
00:17:20.000 I'm sorry, I don't buy the FBI.
00:17:24.000 Yeah, and so just everyone is clear because there's two buckets that I want to just unpack here.
00:17:28.000 There was Martin Luther King being unfaithful and committing adultery, which you believe he did repent for.
00:17:36.000 And I want to talk about that.
00:17:38.000 Then, there's the much more serious accusations via the FBI files that said that MLK laughed while a woman was raped.
00:17:46.000 You then say, Hey, why should I sympathize with this?
00:17:50.000 I'm willing to dismiss that.
00:17:52.000 Good.
00:17:52.000 Because I don't believe the FBI.
00:17:55.000 I think that they're a wretched organization. 0.95
00:17:57.000 No, come on, tell me, Charlie. 0.98
00:17:59.000 I have to be intellectually honest.
00:18:01.000 I can't say that the FBI that spied on Trump and spies on Catholic Mass and does, you know, but can you just talk about those two different?
00:18:09.000 Let's take the latter first.
00:18:11.000 I don't believe in an organization that has selective justification for penalizing people.
00:18:17.000 If we're going to be fair, then let the laws be applicable to all people.
00:18:22.000 So, I don't believe that if the FBI currently is doing what they're doing and we have a body of evidence, this is not me being some tinfoil hat guy saying, Oh, I just believe they're all crooked.
00:18:31.000 No, I know, I know personally, FBI agents that love this nation.
00:18:34.000 I know them.
00:18:35.000 I've eaten with them. 0.99
00:18:36.000 I'm not speaking of the rank and file, I'm speaking of guys that are at the top that are as crooked as a snake. 0.94
00:18:46.000 And we know it not because it's my opinion, we know it because we have a body of evidence that says that they're crooked. 0.99
00:18:52.000 So, what I believe that, oh, he stood back and he looked at a woman being raped.
00:18:56.000 I'm sorry, show us the evidence, show us the video.
00:18:59.000 Because remember, during King's time, they do have video, they do have evidence.
00:19:03.000 Yeah, I think it was a wiretap.
00:19:04.000 And the only argument that I entertain is that this is before the FBI did their kind of like PR leaks.
00:19:11.000 Yeah.
00:19:12.000 And so, the question is: who were they lying to?
00:19:14.000 Who were they exaggerating?
00:19:16.000 That's the thing.
00:19:17.000 If we looked at it historically, because again, I'm a numbers guy, why wouldn't they lie?
00:19:22.000 If King is getting this type of momentum and he's up, here's a greater argument: that's to say then that every FBI head was so pro-America that they believed in a free and equal America.
00:19:37.000 Well, come on.
00:19:38.000 So let's assume that at the FBI hit, there was some racists out with the air.
00:19:42.000 Then why wouldn't they leak something like that?
00:19:44.000 Why wouldn't they make something?
00:19:46.000 How do you destroy a man?
00:19:48.000 Let's take a Marxist position.
00:19:50.000 You accuse that man.
00:19:51.000 I'm speaking of Marx right now.
00:19:53.000 Let's accuse him of the very thing that we're doing.
00:19:55.000 You ridicule them.
00:19:56.000 So why wouldn't the FBI do it?
00:19:58.000 Now, as it relates to any infidelity, some of King's contemporaries did speak about that, but they spoke of his repentance.
00:20:05.000 Okay, so I didn't know this.
00:20:06.000 So tell me about it.
00:20:07.000 So King reconciled those indifferences with pastors.
00:20:12.000 There's the key word.
00:20:14.000 And more importantly, his wife, his family.
00:20:17.000 So they want to paint him as this serial adulterer, but there's no evidence to it.
00:20:24.000 These are just things that people said.
00:20:27.000 And again, if we use that as the metric, and I said this to you, then what in the world do we do with David?
00:20:36.000 Do we dismiss him?
00:20:37.000 Or Samson?
00:20:38.000 I mean, keep going.
00:20:39.000 I mean, we can kind of cover 66 books and we're going to find quite a few individuals that God Himself used to do it.
00:20:46.000 That's not to justify bad behavior, whether it's adultery or overeating.
00:20:51.000 I mean, because that's lasciviousness and God frowns on that as well.
00:20:55.000 I'm not comparing the two, but last time I checked, all unrighteousness is sin.
00:21:00.000 And if God is able to forgive one, can he not forgive the other?
00:21:03.000 I don't choose to amplify the frailties of an individual because if we use that as a metric, we're going to all have a personal problem.
00:21:16.000 It doesn't mean that all of us, every single one of us, should not strive to be better and be better individuals and better Christians if that's what you are.
00:21:26.000 But if we stopped simply because we, at some point, we failed somewhere, then my God, poor Peter took his sword and took a man's ear off.
00:21:37.000 Well, let's count him off because after all, he's too violent of a fella.
00:21:41.000 I mean, you know, Thomas, I'm not going to keep following Christ.
00:21:45.000 I doubt he doubts too much.
00:21:47.000 I doubt it.
00:21:48.000 Then we got to get rid of him.
00:21:49.000 So, Bishop, before we move on to just a small part on Trump and your book, is there anything else that you want me to hear or that you want the audience to hear?
00:21:59.000 Because we had this great conversation, and the way you handled it more than even what you said is what I really appreciated.
00:22:06.000 And just wanted to kind of give the opportunity here.
00:22:09.000 Anything else on this?
00:22:11.000 I think people should know this.
00:22:12.000 And I'm not saying this in defense of you, but I believe this.
00:22:18.000 When I hear those on the right, and I don't believe they're truly right, but let's use that as an argument. 0.97
00:22:27.000 Charlie's a racist.
00:22:29.000 I think it's crazy because I've not heard you say or do anything. 0.93
00:22:33.000 I heard you take an argument or things that were said.
00:22:38.000 Now, I think in retrospect, and you did say this to me, you know, Bishop, yeah, I probably should have not gone that far with this.
00:22:47.000 It wasn't you groveling.
00:22:49.000 It's like looking at it in perspective.
00:22:51.000 Hey, I never thought about it from this angle.
00:22:53.000 Didn't mean that what you said or believed didn't have some form of accuracy attached to it.
00:22:58.000 So I needed that to be a starting point because anything else is a lie.
00:23:06.000 So when I hear some on the right and some on the left and some who say they're on the right, and well, he's a racist for even bringing it up.
00:23:13.000 Well, that's crazy.
00:23:14.000 We can't have a dialogue.
00:23:16.000 We can't talk.
00:23:18.000 That's I guess you can't challenge any historical figures or ask questions.
00:23:22.000 No, I do believe that King was a champion.
00:23:25.000 I believe there is a sense of sainthood about him in the sense because he was God's man.
00:23:31.000 He was a man that God selected at a time.
00:23:34.000 It was Paul, the great thinker and lawyer there in Rome talking about things of this magnitude, how God is the one who raises up principalities and powers, and God is the one.
00:23:45.000 And I'm quoting Paul, even out of Romans 13.
00:23:48.000 Paul is the one who just so eloquently said that God is the one who sets these individuals of authority in place or allows them a better translation to be in place.
00:23:59.000 So I think all of us would have followed King because, again, if we're honest, we couldn't have followed some that were in the evangelical white world because we don't know their names, except we do have them on record for not being equal and fair to their black congregation.
00:24:17.000 We do see them saying, no, you can come here, but you can't serve in any capacity.
00:24:21.000 So we got to be fair to the time.
00:24:23.000 We got to look at it in perspective.
00:24:25.000 And we got to say, wait a minute, after we review this, you know what?
00:24:30.000 Let me make sure that people understand that I see things a little different.
00:24:34.000 And Charlie, when you even said that to me, I'm glad, Bishop, we've had this conversation.
00:24:38.000 Yeah, we had this long historical base conversation.
00:24:41.000 And to be clear, the movement of ending racial segregation is a moral and righteous one.
00:24:47.000 That movement.
00:24:48.000 Absolutely.
00:24:49.000 And it still is to this day.
00:24:51.000 No one should be.
00:24:52.000 And that's why we're against DEI and we're against all that, which in some ways is a sinister, backwards repurposing of the same unclean spirit. 0.97
00:25:00.000 Well, it is unclean because, again, what you're doing, if you buy into the C, the CRT movement, if you buy into the DEI, you're actually pushing an agenda that black people in particular, they're too dumb to go out and get an ID, even though, by the way, the majority of them already have it. 0.99
00:25:21.000 But if you listen to the race baiters, if you listen to the Al Sharptons, if you listen to this, it's disgusting. 0.98
00:25:29.000 And they call me these awful things, and they're the ones saying black people can't get IDs. 0.99
00:25:34.000 Do you know how insulting that is?
00:25:36.000 See, this is where I look at the Joy Reads. 0.86
00:25:38.000 And I consider all these people just crazies.
00:25:41.000 They're pure crazies because they're pushing an agenda to keep themselves relevant. 0.96
00:25:46.000 That's all it is.
00:25:47.000 Go back and read the writings of Booker T. Washington and these guys.
00:25:51.000 Look at what they said.
00:25:52.000 They said these individuals have an agenda.
00:25:55.000 He said it's to make them relevant and to keep their pockets lucrative.
00:26:01.000 And this is what they're doing.
00:26:03.000 I was on a radio show, Charlie, addressing this very issue in Chicago, the great WVON.
00:26:09.000 I know I'll get hit for this, but the majority of the audience agreed with it, even though the host of the show was just livid, but she could now debate me.
00:26:18.000 I said to her when she brought up the issue of ID, I said, who can't get it?
00:26:24.000 She said, well, what about the poor people?
00:26:26.000 I said, you mean like the ones that get federal assistance?
00:26:30.000 Yeah.
00:26:30.000 I said, well, you just captured my argument.
00:26:33.000 What do you mean?
00:26:34.000 I said, in order to receive any federal entitlement, you have to have an ID.
00:26:39.000 How do you get an apartment?
00:26:41.000 How do you cash your federal check?
00:26:45.000 You have to have.
00:26:46.000 That's exactly right.
00:26:47.000 I mean, this is not even difficult.
00:26:49.000 So just so we're clear, and I want to just be Merrick Garland has come out in the last week.
00:26:55.000 Yeah.
00:26:56.000 And he has, and this is one of the reasons why I criticized the outgrowth of the Voting Rights Act, Civil Rights Act. 0.58
00:27:02.000 Not the essence, the outgrowth.
00:27:04.000 Right.
00:27:04.000 As he says, we're going to use the Civil Rights Act and we're going to use the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ to go after states that enforce voter ID.
00:27:13.000 But hold it, Charlie.
00:27:14.000 I think you're missing a bigger point.
00:27:16.000 Charlie, tell the audience, where was he when he said that?
00:27:20.000 I don't know.
00:27:20.000 I do.
00:27:22.000 And this is the part they leave out. 0.83
00:27:23.000 He was addressing a black audience in a black church. 0.94
00:27:29.000 I can't make this stuff up. 0.99
00:27:30.000 It's so crazy. 1.00
00:27:31.000 You guys are so stupid. 1.00
00:27:33.000 Can you imagine? 1.00
00:27:34.000 I can't imagine this guy coming to where I'm the senior pastor.
00:27:39.000 First of all, I would invite him if he wanted to come, but I would take the mic after he's voting for us, Democrats, guys.
00:27:44.000 I mean, you're so he goes to a black church, almost like Fenny. 0.97
00:27:48.000 See, I didn't know that. 0.75
00:27:49.000 I did.
00:27:50.000 He goes to a black audience and said, We're going to make sure. 1.00
00:27:53.000 Again, every four years, can I quote again El Malik El Shabazz, better known as Malcolm X?
00:27:57.000 I'm quoting him.
00:27:58.000 He says, Every four years, white liberals will always come to the black communities asking them for votes, only to never do what they say they're going to do. 0.98
00:28:06.000 Black people, for God's sake, wake up. 0.99
00:28:10.000 They're using you. 1.00
00:28:11.000 You're a pawn.
00:28:13.000 You are a victim because you allow yourself to be victimized. 0.99
00:28:18.000 He goes into a black church, black leader sitting there, and we're going to make sure because your votes are being suppressed. 1.00
00:28:27.000 Eric, I mean, Garland, you mean like the historical turnout of black people that voted just a few years ago in Georgia?
00:28:35.000 You mean that they're suppressed?
00:28:37.000 Statistically, they outvoted whites as a group.
00:28:40.000 So show me, Charlie, where's the equity there?
00:28:46.000 Where's the inequality there?
00:28:48.000 Show me where the black people in Georgia was suppressed.
00:28:50.000 You can't.
00:28:51.000 You know why?
00:28:52.000 It doesn't exist. 0.97
00:28:54.000 Every black person, and I want to go further, every white person should be insulted. 1.00
00:29:00.000 If you have a black friend, that you are voting for a group of people that insults all of your black friends because your white liberals are telling you your black friends are so stupid, they don't know how to get an ID. 1.00
00:29:17.000 But it's not just that, Charlie. 1.00
00:29:19.000 Even when the states have said, we'll give free ID, the same black leaders, Sharpton, Jackson, the Joy Reeds, well, how are they going to get down there to get it? 0.98
00:29:31.000 So what are they now saying? 0.93
00:29:32.000 They're invalids. 1.00
00:29:33.000 They don't have the ability to walk.
00:29:35.000 Effectively, they are saying that.
00:29:37.000 That's where we are in this nation.
00:29:39.000 And every four years, you have the same problem.
00:29:43.000 That's the problem.
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00:30:28.000 So to continue on this, and the and I think we're the MLK thinks great.
00:30:34.000 I think we're solid on that.
00:30:37.000 I want to give an opportunity for you to talk about your book and also President Trump.
00:30:42.000 So your book is really amazing.
00:30:44.000 I think it's eight questions about race.
00:30:47.000 Talk about your book.
00:30:48.000 So it was number two on Amazon when we put it out.
00:30:52.000 I hope everyone grabs it.
00:30:55.000 Number two, I didn't try to do it.
00:30:57.000 I just addressed some very basic questions about race.
00:31:00.000 I challenged the viewers, check it out.
00:31:04.000 And what we did in a nutshell was just take some basic questions and said, let's look at these racial components.
00:31:11.000 And in that small little book, we hit number two.
00:31:15.000 Wow.
00:31:16.000 It was just that.
00:31:17.000 And I, you know, sometimes you put out things just to kind of help people.
00:31:20.000 I was just going to give it up right there.
00:31:21.000 Give excellent.
00:31:23.000 I want everyone to get it.
00:31:24.000 Not for my sake.
00:31:25.000 Get it for your sake.
00:31:27.000 Get it that you can pass it along.
00:31:29.000 Get the information.
00:31:30.000 Now, I will say this.
00:31:31.000 I have to give full disclosure.
00:31:34.000 The guys that helped me put together the book.
00:31:38.000 I have one problem with the book myself.
00:31:40.000 Is it the title or?
00:31:41.000 It's the title. 0.99
00:31:43.000 I have a Jewish mom, and we don't do the race crap. 0.99
00:31:46.000 And they say, well, as a black pastor, I said, wait a minute, I can't deny my Jewishness either. 0.99
00:31:51.000 But they felt, well, this is going to really be effective.
00:31:53.000 And it was one of the biggest tormenting things that I've ever addressed.
00:31:57.000 A lot of my friends that are Jews to this day, they still struggle with that portion.
00:32:01.000 They still bought the book.
00:32:02.000 Thank you, guys, girls, for doing so.
00:32:05.000 If I had a chance to get, I would have insisted.
00:32:08.000 We're not going to do the black thing because I don't see myself as just a black person because that then denies my Jewish heritage as well.
00:32:17.000 I don't like it. 0.97
00:32:18.000 I hate it.
00:32:19.000 Okay, I'll move beyond that.
00:32:21.000 Buy the book.
00:32:22.000 Help us.
00:32:23.000 Because all of the proceeds we take and we use it to inform the community, not just black community. 0.56
00:32:30.000 I'm talking about America's community.
00:32:31.000 So the book was overwhelming.
00:32:33.000 Go out to Amazon or go out to Aubreyshines.com.
00:32:37.000 We'll get it to you.
00:32:38.000 Name one of the two of the questions.
00:32:40.000 So one of the questions in a nutshell, and I want to paraphrase this because I kind of like this one.
00:32:46.000 Why do you allow someone else to dictate to you how you should think?
00:32:52.000 And I got that from the angle of looking at history.
00:32:55.000 Again, if we're going to talk about race, let's talk about it.
00:32:59.000 Who and what group really oppose blacks from doing well?
00:33:05.000 Let's intellectually have that conversation.
00:33:07.000 Southern Democrats, yeah.
00:33:08.000 Democratic Party.
00:33:09.000 Why was the GOP formed?
00:33:11.000 It was formed to rip in Wisconsin's anti-slavery party.
00:33:14.000 Absolutely.
00:33:15.000 Who started the Jim Crow laws? 0.97
00:33:18.000 The Democrats in the South.
00:33:21.000 What about the lynchings?
00:33:22.000 Who were they?
00:33:22.000 The Ku Klux Klan, Southern Democrats.
00:33:24.000 Yeah.
00:33:25.000 So we address all of that.
00:33:27.000 When it was time even for the 64 bill to be signed, the Civil Rights Bill.
00:33:32.000 Filibustered by the Southern Democrats.
00:33:34.000 Wow.
00:33:35.000 The longest filibuster, by the way, in history still to this day.
00:33:38.000 25, 26 hours or something, yeah.
00:33:39.000 20-some hours of filibustering.
00:33:41.000 Why didn't they want it?
00:33:42.000 So these are things that we dive into in a very quick way.
00:33:46.000 And it's more of an information piece.
00:33:49.000 So people read and go, whoa, wait a minute.
00:33:51.000 And by the way, we sent, I don't know, a thousand of those things out at one point to some pretty major groups.
00:33:57.000 And these were leaders, black, white leaders.
00:33:59.000 And they said, we didn't know this information.
00:34:01.000 And they found it so informative that obviously they began to have their congregation and various people begin to buy.
00:34:08.000 So it hit number two.
00:34:09.000 And I was like, whoa, we're at number two.
00:34:12.000 So, hey, help us revise the book.
00:34:14.000 Maybe there's a group out there that want to buy 10,000 copies.
00:34:17.000 Buy it.
00:34:19.000 Put them out.
00:34:19.000 I even shared, I didn't share this with you, but someone in your organization, turning point, buy 10,000 copies, hand them out free to every guy, girl that comes through your door.
00:34:29.000 Let it be part of their learning experience.
00:34:32.000 And then they'll see America from a Christian worldview.
00:34:37.000 And you'll realize that the race question continues to be alive simply because there are groups that needed to be alive in order to be profitable.
00:34:47.000 That's the essence of that book, Charlie.
00:34:49.000 I love it.
00:34:50.000 So now I want to talk about our mutual friend Donald Trump.
00:34:53.000 Yeah.
00:34:55.000 Interesting, Charlie.
00:34:56.000 Charlie start.
00:34:57.000 Okay.
00:34:57.000 This is going to be a lot of fun here.
00:34:59.000 So I got to give your audience the background because you said it earlier, by the way.
00:35:04.000 And I got a few buddies.
00:35:06.000 Maybe I should name their names right now.
00:35:07.000 They love both you and I.
00:35:10.000 And he once said to me, why do you always push this part of the story?
00:35:15.000 This is how Trump came into my world.
00:35:17.000 And I have to be candid.
00:35:20.000 Trump was not on my radar.
00:35:23.000 I was in love the Constitution.
00:35:25.000 And I was looking at that time to really support Ted Cruz.
00:35:31.000 There was a group of very wealthy people that brought a group of us out to Texas, and we were there to support Cruz, and I was going to do it.
00:35:42.000 Well, it was almost time to do some videos with Cruz.
00:35:46.000 And I really felt inspired by God at that moment.
00:35:49.000 I didn't know why.
00:35:50.000 It was almost like I didn't call you, Aubrey, to do this right here.
00:35:55.000 It had nothing to do with Ted.
00:35:57.000 And I went to the door while everybody else was still kind of fellowshipping there in Texas.
00:36:02.000 And I actually had the valet to get my car.
00:36:06.000 I left and I got in my car and I really felt, it was like the Lord dealing with my heart.
00:36:13.000 I'm going to raise up Cyrus.
00:36:14.000 And I knew exactly, Charlie, what that was.
00:36:16.000 That meant Donald Trump.
00:36:18.000 And I thought, Donald Trump.
00:36:19.000 Now, I wasn't anti-Donald.
00:36:21.000 I didn't really know a ton about him other than the great things he had done as far as building business.
00:36:26.000 I love those kind of things.
00:36:27.000 I love entrepreneurship.
00:36:29.000 I knew some of the backstories of how Donald had helped so many, black people, especially with loans.
00:36:37.000 A lot of your audience may not know this.
00:36:39.000 He helped start so many black businesses by giving those black leaders loans.
00:36:43.000 Oh, absolutely.
00:36:44.000 And when they would go to pay him back, he would tear up the check. 0.97
00:36:48.000 Now, you never hear that on MSNBC because if he's a racist, he's the most horrible racist I've ever seen. 0.98
00:36:54.000 I mean, he's helping start black businesses. 0.99
00:36:56.000 Give them a loan.
00:36:57.000 Give them the condition.
00:36:58.000 They meet the condition.
00:36:59.000 They go to give Donald the check back and he goes, you got everything you need?
00:37:03.000 Then he tears up the check.
00:37:04.000 That's Donald Trump.
00:37:06.000 I then go on radio and I began to talk about my support because I was always in demand doing secular shows, dealing with issues of this magnitude.
00:37:17.000 And a guy out of Colorado asked, who are you going to support, Bishop?
00:37:21.000 I said, Donald Trump is going to be the next president.
00:37:23.000 They mocked me.
00:37:24.000 They laughed, et cetera.
00:37:25.000 Fast forward, I produced a video.
00:37:28.000 And in that video that went viral, I ended up finding myself on Sinclair Network.
00:37:33.000 We did 60 plus million views.
00:37:36.000 Wow.
00:37:36.000 Donald Trump's team, through a friend of mine, found out about the video.
00:37:42.000 And he called me.
00:37:43.000 He's still a friend to this day.
00:37:45.000 He says, I want to meet with you.
00:37:47.000 And this is prior to me meeting Trump.
00:37:50.000 He questioned me about the video.
00:37:52.000 He had his own research team to begin to.
00:37:55.000 It was only a six-minute video.
00:37:56.000 I wrote the video.
00:37:57.000 I produced a video.
00:37:58.000 And the backstory there, Charlie, I'd only did it to have ecumenical leaders to look to say, hey, here's why we cannot support Hillary Clinton.
00:38:06.000 That was the video.
00:38:07.000 Who's basically Jezebel?
00:38:08.000 Exactly.
00:38:09.000 That's not even a question.
00:38:10.000 And by the way, here's what our party stands for.
00:38:13.000 And you cannot have your black and or white congregation to support because this is not a biblical worldview here.
00:38:19.000 And it was never intended to do what it did.
00:38:21.000 Fast forward, my buddy got a hold of it.
00:38:24.000 He met with me.
00:38:25.000 He wasn't a buddy then.
00:38:26.000 We met.
00:38:27.000 He says, I want to introduce you to some people.
00:38:30.000 Well, by that time, Trump's team, unbeknownst to me, by the way, saw the video.
00:38:37.000 And they said, we want to meet Bishop Aubrey Shines.
00:38:41.000 I went to a rally where Trump was, had not met him yet.
00:38:46.000 And I'll never forget this.
00:38:48.000 And maybe I shouldn't use one of the guys' names.
00:38:50.000 I'm not sure where he is right now, but he was working for Trump.
00:38:54.000 And to my knowledge, maybe he still does.
00:38:56.000 I don't know, but I don't want to go that far.
00:38:59.000 He looks at me with my friend standing there.
00:39:02.000 He looks over what we're about to do in the nation.
00:39:05.000 I had gathered together a group of black and brown and white leaders.
00:39:09.000 We were going to go and have a full page ad in the New York Times where we're going to say, this is why we stand with Donald Trump and we oppose Hillary Clinton.
00:39:20.000 Well, at that point, Trump, there had come out some things about some of his bad behavior like 7,000 years prior.
00:39:27.000 And so it was scrapped.
00:39:29.000 But my friend insisted, Charlie, that I meet Trump.
00:39:32.000 I go to the rally.
00:39:34.000 One of the directing managers looks at my piece and he says, out of nowhere, and this is so powerful.
00:39:42.000 He says, Bishop, can we have you to go up and just speak real quick?
00:39:47.000 This was a massive rally, 30 plus thousand people in attendance.
00:39:51.000 And I said this to him, Charlie.
00:39:52.000 I said, look, I'm a preacher.
00:39:54.000 I need, how much time do I have?
00:39:56.000 You better say something because we can go forever and ever.
00:39:59.000 That's right.
00:39:59.000 He said, take five minutes.
00:40:01.000 Pam Bondi, I think, had just gotten up.
00:40:02.000 She spoke and they put me on after, unbeknownst to me.
00:40:05.000 Trump had arrived.
00:40:07.000 I didn't know it.
00:40:08.000 I was only there to meet him.
00:40:10.000 I'm speaking.
00:40:11.000 And that video is out there, by the way.
00:40:14.000 And the crowd is really responding.
00:40:17.000 So Trump says to my friend, and I can't use the language.
00:40:21.000 I did find out exactly what he said.
00:40:24.000 Some expletives were in it. 0.96
00:40:26.000 He said, this guy is a freaking rock star. 0.98
00:40:31.000 Who is this? 0.96
00:40:32.000 And my friend said, that's my friend.
00:40:35.000 That moment, Trump says, yeah, it started.
00:40:39.000 He says, can I meet him?
00:40:41.000 I met Trump.
00:40:42.000 His team asked, would I travel with him?
00:40:45.000 And at that point, state to state to state, several states.
00:40:49.000 Amazing.
00:40:49.000 I traveled for him with him and spoke in the auditoriums.
00:40:52.000 Two minutes remaining.
00:40:53.000 What does Trump have to do to do better with the black vote?
00:40:55.000 Talk the way he's always talked.
00:40:57.000 When he asked the question, what good has it done for you?
00:41:01.000 What do you have to lose?
00:41:02.000 70 plus years of doing it.
00:41:04.000 Bring in guys like myself.
00:41:05.000 I have to say this publicly.
00:41:07.000 I'm probably, if the right scenario happens, I'll work with him again.
00:41:12.000 And we're pretty close to perhaps having that agreement.
00:41:15.000 If so, I can bring in just a ton of black, brown, and white leaders that will stand with Donald Trump.
00:41:23.000 He's going to need it.
00:41:24.000 I don't think he has to do anything.
00:41:26.000 I think, again, his record speaks for itself.
00:41:28.000 Look at what he's already done.
00:41:29.000 I'm not interested in his rhetoric, what he'll do.
00:41:31.000 I look at what Donald Trump has done, not just in the historically black colleges and universities, not just because blacks had the lowest unemployment ever recorded in history, not just because of all of the great money zones that he produced to help businesses.
00:41:47.000 I look at his policies against the CCP, how they impact all Americans, not just black Americans, his issues on making sure we have rights as it relates to we're not being shut down because we have a religious view.
00:41:59.000 I don't have to ask Trump, what will he say and do different?
00:42:03.000 He already has a body of work, Charlie.
00:42:04.000 I think it speaks for itself.
00:42:06.000 Aubrey Shines, any final thoughts here as we wrap up?
00:42:09.000 Hey, we got to keep doing it.
00:42:10.000 We got a long battle ahead of us, Charlie.
00:42:13.000 You're welcome back anytime.
00:42:14.000 And I want to thank you for how you approached this and what you taught me.
00:42:18.000 And what I've learned is I'm grateful, truly.
00:42:22.000 And you're now a new but a good friend.
00:42:24.000 I'm looking forward to the building of that relationship.
00:42:26.000 Well, Bishop, thank you so much.
00:42:27.000 Yeah, my pleasure, Charlie.
00:42:29.000 God bless, guys.
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00:42:35.000 Thanks so much.
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00:42:43.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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