The Charlie Kirk Show - Don't Fall for Drag Floyd! with James Lindsay

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00:00:02.000 James Lindsay sits down for a long-form conversation about Pride Month, CRT, the Marxification of Education, and more.

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00:01:08.000 Special guest, good friend of mine, and one of the most important fighters for liberty in America, James Lindsay.

00:01:14.000 How you doing, man?

00:01:15.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:01:15.000 You are always working on something.

00:01:17.000 You just published your education book on Paolo.

00:01:21.000 Is that right?

00:01:22.000 Yeah, Paulo.

00:01:23.000 Tell us about it.

00:01:24.000 Paulo Ferreri, yeah, the Marxification of Education.

00:01:26.000 And it's about how Marxists have stolen our education system.

00:01:31.000 And in fact, there are kind of two ways that they've stolen education.

00:01:34.000 They stole the purpose of education.

00:01:36.000 It went from being that the purpose of education is to create educated citizens who can be productive in everyday life so they learn actual facts, they learn how to think, they learn values, virtues, and so on, so they're good productive citizens.

00:01:50.000 They stole that and turned it into, this is so you can get credentialed to get a job, and which when they steal the credentialing, they can then steal the, well, we're only going to hire people who have the, you know, the right competencies.

00:02:02.000 So you got to have your welding competency maybe if you're doing that.

00:02:05.000 But you also need your LGBT and your racial sensitivity competencies and they can kind of transform who can become a peg to fit into their economy. 0.81

00:02:13.000 But then the book focuses on the other part.

00:02:15.000 They stole the mechanics of education.

00:02:17.000 And so Paulo Ferreri's idea was that true education is a political education.

00:02:21.000 So he's a Marxist.

00:02:22.000 So what he means is a Marxist indoctrination.

00:02:24.000 How do we understand the concrete conditions of our lives, as he said it, through the Marxist lens?

00:02:30.000 So the teacher becomes a facilitator into the Marxist worldview of whatever is relevant to your life now.

00:02:36.000 They call it culturally relevant teaching today.

00:02:40.000 And so his idea was that the education should proceed by making the academic lesson what he calls a mediator to political knowledge.

00:02:48.000 So if I do a math problem with you, whatever the contents of the math problem, maybe it's a word problem about, you know, people drive to an amusement park, it's 50 miles away, they've driven 30 miles, how much further, right?

00:02:59.000 That's a simple word problem, second grade subtraction.

00:03:02.000 Well, the teacher is going to engage the students by saying, who's ever been to an amusement park?

00:03:08.000 And some kids raise their hand and some don't.

00:03:10.000 Well, why is it that some of you have been and some of you haven't?

00:03:12.000 Well, not everybody can afford it.

00:03:13.000 And now they get to have a conversation about socialism, race, or sex or sexuality, or whatever they can fit off of whichever one of these other topics.

00:03:22.000 And so the mechanism of education is also stolen.

00:03:25.000 My motivation to write it was I talk to parents all over the country all the time and they say, I know they're doing CRT.

00:03:32.000 I know they're doing queer theory, the gender theory, the gender ideology. 0.98

00:03:35.000 I don't know how they're doing it.

00:03:36.000 I don't know how they get it in.

00:03:37.000 I look at the curriculum.

00:03:38.000 It looks fine.

00:03:39.000 If they show it to us at all, I don't know how it's getting in.

00:03:42.000 And I wanted to pull back the mask and show the training of the teachers, too.

00:03:46.000 It's not always through textbooks, not always through things you can detect, even if you take over a school board, right?

00:03:51.000 That's right.

00:03:51.000 It's primarily through the way the teachers are trained to engage the material.

00:03:54.000 Prax, praxeology.

00:03:55.000 Praxis?

00:03:56.000 Yeah, praxeology or praxis.

00:03:57.000 That's right.

00:03:58.000 And then the second thing is that it's a lot of using third-party materials.

00:04:02.000 So there's what's in the textbook, and then there's what, say, a third-party proprietary supplemental education outfit provided that since that's third-party and proprietary, you can't get that from a Freedom of Information Act that's hidden behind copyright, parents can't see it.

00:04:18.000 Or it's what, you know, hey, we're in the middle of class, we're covering a topic.

00:04:21.000 Don't we need to know a little bit more about rhinoceroses or whatever?

00:04:24.000 So then the teacher goes and Googles whatever they feel like Googling and then whatever the search pulls up.

00:04:29.000 So the question I commonly get, and I think there's mixed answers to it, is how much of this was, let's just say, a result of a really tragic accident, or how much of this was centralized, planned, and plotted because there's agreement since the 1960s or 70s, the education system has been taken over by Marxists.

00:04:54.000 Right.

00:04:55.000 Is it just that they were relentless and they were pressured through their institutions and then they just got really lucky and no one stopped them?

00:05:01.000 Or was there a whiteboard in the 1960s, James, of funders, academics, people in culture?

00:05:07.000 They said, first we're going to do this and then that.

00:05:09.000 We're going to is it the Rudy Dutchke, you know, long march to the institutions.

00:05:15.000 Accident, a tragic accident versus a purposeful conspiracy?

00:05:20.000 I think there was a lot of purpose behind it.

00:05:22.000 There was definitely organizations and there were things being funded and there were different outfits. 0.96

00:05:26.000 For example, a lot of the sex ed stuff, there's an organization called CECUS, S-I-E-C-U-S, that seems to be, I forgot what it all stands for, sexuality is the S, I think, piles of trash as well.

00:05:36.000 Yes, and so they have very diligently been making sure things get funded to bring more and more of the sexual education stuff in and letting that get more and more radical over time.

00:05:45.000 So some of this whiteboard stuff happened.

00:05:47.000 The march through the institutions, I think, was a lot more not organic, but decentralized.

00:05:54.000 Decentralized.

00:05:55.000 Yeah.

00:05:56.000 So in 72, for example, you have Herbert Marcuse writing Counter-Revolution and Revolt.

00:06:01.000 The big riots of the 60s failed.

00:06:03.000 America's pissed off.

00:06:04.000 We don't want this stuff happening in our society.

00:06:06.000 So what does he say in this book?

00:06:07.000 He's, oh, it didn't work.

00:06:08.000 You know, and he's angry and he's writing this book and he says, what we're going to do is we're going to go into everything.

00:06:13.000 We're not going to go out in the streets and throw a fit anymore.

00:06:16.000 We're going to go into the professions.

00:06:18.000 We're going to learn a computer program and we're going to take our philosophy with us and we're going to bring it to the office.

00:06:22.000 We're going to, he says, infiltrate education at all levels, is explicitly one of the handful of directives he actually writes down in the explicit education at all levels.

00:06:33.000 And so then in 2015, there was a book by a guy named Isaac Godesman, kind of a not famous Iowa State professor of education, Marxist.

00:06:43.000 And he wrote a book called A Critical Turn in Education that is a historian, like a history of how they did this, how they transformed education.

00:06:51.000 This has been a complete guidestone for me to understand what they did.

00:06:55.000 And the first sentence of that book says, where did all the 60s radicals go?

00:06:58.000 Not to the religious cults and not to yuppydom, but to the classroom.

00:07:02.000 That's the first sentence.

00:07:03.000 What year was that published?

00:07:04.000 2015.

00:07:05.000 Yeah, recently.

00:07:07.000 So they saw momentum and then they repopulated themselves.

00:07:12.000 And then once you control the institutions, then you get to control who comes in.

00:07:16.000 It's a force multiplier, right?

00:07:18.000 Well, so what they call this in the Marxist theory is the problem of reproduction, which has nothing to do with reproduction.

00:07:24.000 It has to do with the fact that society...

00:07:25.000 It's their own parasitic replication. 0.91

00:07:27.000 It is.

00:07:27.000 It's that they see that the society reproduces itself through its institutions.

00:07:32.000 And in particular, education.

00:07:33.000 So if we take the schools and we build the school out, and the idea of the schools, we're going to educate citizens to be productive members of our society and get good jobs in our economy, and that's the objective, then what we're going to do is we're going to program kids to reproduce society in the next generation, which, in fact, we want to do.

00:07:51.000 And we want our successful society to continue to grow and prosper and to bring the blessings of liberty to our children and so on and our grandchildren and down the generation.

00:08:01.000 They said they had to figure out how to hijack that.

00:08:04.000 And that was the deliberate program that the educators in the 60s, but more in the 70s and 80s, Marxist educators were trying to solve the problem of reproduction.

00:08:13.000 And in the 70s, they basically gave up on it.

00:08:15.000 And then they realized, though, that if they can actually go in and start capturing colleges of education, it all runs downstream from colleges of education.

00:08:23.000 If you get the colleges of education, you get the teachers.

00:08:26.000 If you get the teachers, you get the students.

00:08:27.000 You get a generation of students, now you have the next generation of professionals.

00:08:31.000 So then you get a whole kind of force multiplier, all the professionals.

00:08:34.000 You want to go to law school or you want to be a lawyer?

00:08:36.000 You go to law school.

00:08:36.000 How do you do it?

00:08:38.000 Well, you indoctrinate them in law school, you indoctrinate them in their undergrad, you indoctrinate them in the high school, on back.

00:08:43.000 And then you're going to take over law in two generations.

00:08:47.000 You're going to take over medicine in two generations.

00:08:49.000 Take over the military.

00:08:50.000 Take over everything, military, law, media, everything.

00:08:54.000 And education became the key, and they focused a ton of effort and energy into that.

00:09:00.000 Just like a bacterial infection, it doesn't stop until it's taken over everything.

00:09:04.000 That's right.

00:09:05.000 And one of the things they're focused on most and they're attempting, which is why we're here in Nashville, is the church.

00:09:12.000 That's right. 0.96

00:09:13.000 They've taken over part of it, mostly to seminaries, but the church has still had some resistance to the parasites, to the maggots. 0.98

00:09:22.000 Why do they want the church so badly? 0.98

00:09:24.000 They being the Marxists.

00:09:25.000 Well, I mean, there's a few reasons, but let's go back in time.

00:09:27.000 You mentioned Rudy Deutschke, and he says the long march to the institutions.

00:09:30.000 And that's explicitly what Marcuse invoked in Counter-Revolution Revolt that I mentioned.

00:09:35.000 So this isn't abstract.

00:09:37.000 What Deutschke was basing his program off of, and what Marcuse was basing his program off of, was the work of a theorist and an activist.

00:09:45.000 The activist is very famous.

00:09:46.000 His name was Mao Zedong.

00:09:47.000 And he put into practice a system to transform education and transform the Chinese society.

00:09:52.000 And the theorist is also somewhat less famous, but very well known now, Antonio Gramsci.

00:09:57.000 And the links are not.

00:10:00.000 Yeah, the prison notebooks.

00:10:01.000 And so the saying in academia, at least, is Mao did what Gramsci thought.

00:10:07.000 And what Gramsci wrote in the 20s was that socialism is precisely the religion that must overcome Christianity. 0.66

00:10:12.000 That's a direct quote.

00:10:14.000 But what he said is that there are five distinct areas of cultural production that produce what he called cultural hegemony that has to be infiltrated and transformed from within.

00:10:23.000 That's where the long march comes from.

00:10:25.000 And what he said, those five areas are religion, family, education, media, and law.

00:10:29.000 So they recognized very early, and Gramsci put special emphasis on the role of religion.

00:10:35.000 We must get inside of religion to change it. 0.90

00:10:38.000 So now we come fast forward to 2016.

00:10:41.000 And in 2016, Klaus Schwab puts out, World Economic Forum Executive Chairman, puts out a document on the role of faith in transforming the world.

00:10:48.000 And he says that values cannot be justified by the intellect alone.

00:10:51.000 That requires faith.

00:10:52.000 And so we have this bridge across a century of the idea that if you're actually going to transform the cultural values of a society, it's not enough to get into the schools and change their minds.

00:11:03.000 You have to get into their souls and their hearts and transform them.

00:11:06.000 And the place that that's going to happen is in churches primarily.

00:11:09.000 So they have to infiltrate and get inside churches to transform the meaning of the gospel, to transform the meaning of biblical change.

00:11:18.000 Everything.

00:11:19.000 And this, of course, is we tie back to Ferrari in the book, because what was Ferrari?

00:11:22.000 A liberation theologian.

00:11:24.000 And what did he write in the politics of education?

00:11:26.000 Remind our audience, what is a liberation theologian?

00:11:29.000 Oh, that's a Marxist posing as a Catholic.

00:11:31.000 That's the simplest definition, that there's a new theology, a new interpretation of Catholic doctrine, that the entire thing is to minister to the poor and to overcome the oppression of poverty.

00:11:41.000 And so Ferrari is a liberation theologian.

00:11:44.000 He writes a book.

00:11:46.000 Sorry, the book is 1986.

00:11:49.000 It comes out.

00:11:49.000 This book is called The Politics of Education.

00:11:52.000 It's the book that gets him launched into the North American scene.

00:11:55.000 Chapters 8 and 10, what does he talk about?

00:11:58.000 Education?

00:11:58.000 No, the church.

00:12:00.000 And what does he say?

00:12:01.000 He says that educators and learners must go through their own personal Easter, where they die to the world of oppression and are reborn on the side of the oppressed.

00:12:09.000 They have to live their own personal Easter because that's where you transform values.

00:12:13.000 He says that the Easter that Christians celebrate is just a commemorative date on the calendar.

00:12:16.000 It's empty.

00:12:17.000 It celebrates death, not life.

00:12:19.000 A complete inversion and perversion of Christian doctrine.

00:12:23.000 So you can see that they had to get into this kind of mixture of education and faith in order to transform not just intellect, but values.

00:12:32.000 And the woke, and we're going to play a game in the next segment that you're going to love where I'm going to ask you to define all these terms in one lightning ground.

00:12:39.000 I'm going to take a sticker, right?

00:12:40.000 Because I think our audience will love it.

00:12:42.000 But I think people have an approximation of what the woke is.

00:12:45.000 The woke, is it completely at odds with Christianity and the West?

00:12:49.000 Yeah, it's an inversion that's meant to look like a counterfeit and then supplant it from within.

00:12:56.000 But it appropriates some of the proven elements of Christianity.

00:12:59.000 Yes.

00:13:00.000 Original sin, atonement for those sins, but actually no eventual forgiveness or, let's just say, freedom from them, correct?

00:13:08.000 Correct.

00:13:09.000 No, the process becomes that you are, in their own words, again, this same book, Politics of Education.

00:13:14.000 You have the foreword written by an educator, a Marxist educator by the name of Henry Giroux.

00:13:19.000 And he says that Paulo Ferreri's mission is so beautiful because it's prophetic.

00:13:22.000 And he says, what does it mean by being prophetic?

00:13:25.000 He says, well, it's prophetic in the sense that it calls us to build the kingdom of God here on earth in allegiance with the oppressed.

00:13:31.000 Wow.

00:13:32.000 So it's extraordinarily like a toxic perversion and inversion of the true Christian doctrine, but using Christian language, Christian motifs, things that will resonate with, you know, Christian archetypes. 0.94

00:13:46.000 All of it.

00:13:48.000 Most pastors don't understand the threat.

00:13:51.000 What you said, I want you to say this on stage when you speak, that one of the stated goals of Gramsci was to make socialism the predominant religion over Christianity.

00:14:01.000 That's right.

00:14:02.000 It must overcome Christianity and replace it. 1.00

00:14:05.000 And so Marxism is directly at odds against Christianity.

00:14:12.000 At least from, I love your take on this.

00:14:14.000 You're not a Christian yet. 1.00

00:14:15.000 I'm working on that.

00:14:17.000 Why do you think Christians are so scared?

00:14:20.000 Because now you've been an outside, you spoke a lot of churches.

00:14:22.000 Why are they so scared to speak out?

00:14:24.000 Like, what is your hypothesis?

00:14:26.000 You must think this.

00:14:27.000 Like, you must have a speculation, right?

00:14:29.000 You know, I don't want to come off, I don't want to make anybody look bad or anything like that.

00:14:34.000 But the truth is that we're all tempted by the trials and the values, the things that are very worldly around us.

00:14:41.000 So there's your status.

00:14:42.000 Here's your community that you live in.

00:14:43.000 There's what people are going to think.

00:14:45.000 You know, if you rock the boat too hard, you're going to upset maybe at some of the people that come to your church, maybe some of the people that pay for your church.

00:14:51.000 Maybe it's just that you're going to look weird or you're going to up on the news.

00:14:54.000 There's a lot of reasons that, you know, maybe there's some appointment to some kind of a speaking circuit or whatever that you're cushy and you're hoping to be able to get.

00:15:02.000 But if you make people too nervous around you, whether you said the truth or not, you make people nervous around you.

00:15:07.000 Maybe it'll just pass you by.

00:15:08.000 There's a lot of things I think.

00:15:10.000 Christians I've noticed in particular are very sensitive also to the sense of their legacy, how they're going to be remembered in terms of how they contributed to the church or to the faith or whatever else, especially theologians.

00:15:20.000 And so the threat that will tar your legacy is that of a white supremacist or whatever is a big threat for some of these people.

00:15:31.000 Of course, it's just rooted in lies and deceit.

00:15:33.000 So it just something I struggle with and it challenges me.

00:15:37.000 So I want to talk, we're going to do the lightning round in the next segment.

00:15:40.000 And then I'm also going to have you explain to me why do these corporations continue to embrace the queer stuff, even though it is now proving it could hurt their bottom line. 0.98

00:15:51.000 Thank you.

00:15:51.000 It's not a guarantee.

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00:15:53.000 Thank you.

00:15:54.000 I'm confused by it.

00:15:55.000 I am.

00:15:56.000 And there's usually I get clarity on this stuff.

00:16:00.000 This one's a challenge because from the Gay Ford Raptor to the Northface Trans to the Target Tranny stuff, oh, it's so simple, but not for me. 0.99

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00:17:15.000 All right, James, let's do a lightning round here.

00:17:17.000 You have to bumper sticker them.

00:17:19.000 I've stolen.

00:17:20.000 You know, I stole one of your bumper stickers, right?

00:17:22.000 Good.

00:17:22.000 Somebody says, oh, Charlie, what does woke mean?

00:17:25.000 Call everything racist until you control it.

00:17:27.000 That's not bad, right?

00:17:28.000 Yeah, that's hard.

00:17:29.000 How would you say it even better in James lensification?

00:17:32.000 Well, for woke, it's a little broader than race.

00:17:34.000 Yeah, but it's to call everything bigot.

00:17:37.000 Yeah, it's bigotry.

00:17:38.000 Everything's bigotry unless you control it.

00:17:40.000 So it's a means to power.

00:17:41.000 That's right.

00:17:42.000 That's right.

00:17:43.000 That's all it is.

00:17:44.000 So, okay, let's do it.

00:17:45.000 So it's critical race theory.

00:17:46.000 Well, that's call everything racist until you control it, or that the fundamental operating principle of our society is systemic racism that must be overthrown.

00:17:54.000 Marxist.

00:17:55.000 Marxist is that the fundamental operating principle of society is, in fact, economic class, and that's deterministic on who you are.

00:18:02.000 So we have to seize the means of production of mankind to transform.

00:18:05.000 So let me ask you, is that still true now that most Marxists actually don't focus on economics?

00:18:10.000 Well, most, this is complicated because there are still classical Marxists who do and they hate the wonder.

00:18:14.000 Very few, though.

00:18:15.000 But they hate the woke.

00:18:16.000 Where are they, James?

00:18:17.000 Well, I mean, we got right now this woman, what's her name?

00:18:20.000 I sent you a text about her, Sansara or whatever, Samara.

00:18:22.000 Sasha, whatever.

00:18:23.000 The Taylor woman, Sansara Taylor, or something like this. 0.85

00:18:27.000 One of them went on Prager.

00:18:28.000 She was okay.

00:18:29.000 Well, this woman is a neo-communist of the Bob of Vacchi and her. 0.87

00:18:34.000 But don't we miss those economic Marxists because they're so easy to defeat and prove wrong?

00:18:38.000 Because material prosperity is something actually most Americans like.

00:18:41.000 It doesn't work in the United States.

00:18:43.000 And in fact, the Marxists of the 20th century.

00:18:44.000 They admitted that they admitted it, did they say?

00:18:46.000 Capitalism, in their own words, and I quote, delivers the goods.

00:18:51.000 So they had to shift towards a Marxist, but a poor man's version of Marxism by using power dynamics or class struggle, but reappropriating them to black and white or male and female or ordinary and queer. 0.60

00:19:05.000 Is that a fair way to describe what's happened?

00:19:07.000 So the way I explained it at the European Parliament last month was that I said it's like genius and species, right?

00:19:12.000 There's a genius of cats.

00:19:13.000 Yeah, sure.

00:19:14.000 All these different cats, lions, tigers, house cats, they're different cats.

00:19:17.000 And so you got Marxism's like a lion, and you got critical race theories like a house cat, and you got, you know, queer theories like a puma or something like that. 0.80

00:19:25.000 They're all the same thing, but they've chosen different aspects of.

00:19:28.000 Yeah, but I don't know if I agree.

00:19:29.000 I'm not going to say disagree, but I don't think I understand that fully.

00:19:32.000 For example, there are people that love money, love profit, but they're fully on board for Marxist power dynamics when it comes to race.

00:19:41.000 So they're not economic Marxists.

00:19:43.000 But they're something else.

00:19:44.000 Yeah, they're race Marxists.

00:19:46.000 That was the title of the book.

00:19:47.000 I know, I've read the book, but what I'm saying, though, is that...

00:19:50.000 Are they going to be on board for Viva La Revolution of Wealth Confiscation?

00:19:53.000 I don't think so.

00:19:54.000 No, they're going to be against the wall.

00:19:55.000 It's kind of grimly funny, but they're going against the wall.

00:20:00.000 The southern border wall, you mean?

00:20:02.000 No.

00:20:03.000 Oh, okay.

00:20:03.000 No, the communist wall where they put people down that they don't need anymore.

00:20:07.000 This is Mao, you mean they're going to be exterminated.

00:20:10.000 Yeah, that's what Mao did with his Red Guard.

00:20:12.000 Yeah, so I mean, they are eat me last type.

00:20:15.000 So let me ask you this.

00:20:18.000 It's a totally speculative question.

00:20:22.000 Without proper confrontation, that's not the right way to word it.

00:20:27.000 Without defeating these people, in the end, who wins?

00:20:30.000 The race Marxists, the trans-Marxists, or the economic Marxists?

00:20:34.000 Probably the economic Marxists end up in the end.

00:20:37.000 Why is that?

00:20:38.000 They're the most brutal.

00:20:40.000 But they have no power.

00:20:42.000 Well, they have no outward-facing power.

00:20:45.000 It turns out that they probably have the largest reservoirs of money and the greatest access to actual military forces.

00:20:51.000 You're talking about actual believers in economic Marxism.

00:20:54.000 I think you may have forgotten that the CCP exists for a moment.

00:20:57.000 But I don't know if they actually are true egalitarian communists, though.

00:21:02.000 I think they use the mechanisms and the language of Marx so that they can actually create a fascistic oligarchy.

00:21:08.000 Well, I mean, that's...

00:21:09.000 I'm talking about actual ideologically.

00:21:10.000 Oh, no, no, no.

00:21:12.000 Those people are already completely marginalized.

00:21:14.000 Yeah, okay.

00:21:14.000 So we agree.

00:21:15.000 Right now, of those kind of in the culture wars.

00:21:18.000 Do you know what I'm talking about?

00:21:18.000 I do now.

00:21:19.000 Yeah, the queer Marxists are going to win that for sure. 1.00

00:21:21.000 Yeah, okay.

00:21:22.000 So we agree on that.

00:21:23.000 Okay, so perfect segue.

00:21:25.000 Yeah.

00:21:25.000 James, see how the Bud Light still happening?

00:21:29.000 See what happened with Target?

00:21:30.000 Target's freaking out.

00:21:31.000 Target's freaking out. 0.93

00:21:32.000 Ford now has the Gay Raptor. 1.00

00:21:33.000 Northface has the tranny in the woods. 1.00

00:21:36.000 Right?

00:21:36.000 You got all, I mean, there is a built-in assumption that is completely wrong.

00:21:45.000 That eventually these companies will stop this stuff if they start losing money.

00:21:49.000 Why, James?

00:21:50.000 Why is Target doing this?

00:21:52.000 Why are these HR departments and these communication departments leaning in?

00:21:55.000 You're chomping at the bit.

00:21:56.000 Explain it to me.

00:21:57.000 I am so geeked.

00:21:58.000 So you know what a cartel is?

00:22:00.000 Imagine that we have a mafia, right?

00:22:02.000 And the mafia is running cocaine or something through the neighborhood.

00:22:06.000 And they're like, listen, Charlie, you're going to go take this bag of whatever and you're going to give it to it.

00:22:10.000 And you're like, I don't really want to do that.

00:22:11.000 No, you're not going to say that, right?

00:22:12.000 You're just going to do it, right?

00:22:14.000 Because you don't want to get whacked.

00:22:15.000 Or, you know, nice turning point USA you have here.

00:22:17.000 It'd be a shame if something happened to it, right?

00:22:19.000 And you don't want anything to happen, so you go along.

00:22:23.000 Some of our corporations are active, complicit players in this whole agenda, but a lot of our corporations are held hostage by a cartel.

00:22:29.000 And that cartel doesn't use guns and bombs and firebombs like the old mob.

00:22:34.000 It uses financial instruments primarily.

00:22:36.000 So there are these scoring mechanisms, the ESG scoring, environmental social governance.

00:22:40.000 Let's look at the S, social.

00:22:42.000 The S, which is the snake in the garden, right?

00:22:44.000 It is the snake in the garden.

00:22:45.000 So what's down inside social?

00:22:47.000 Well, one of the things is all this LGBTQ. 1.00

00:22:51.000 All of it, yeah.

00:22:52.000 And so it turns out that the human rights campaign, how do they figure out what your S score is?

00:22:56.000 Well, the human rights campaign has been publishing for 21 years now something called a corporate equality index score.

00:23:02.000 There's a healthcare equality index, a municipality equality index.

00:23:04.000 People have no idea this is.

00:23:06.000 That score means everything because your ESG rating comes off of partly off of a male credit score.

00:23:12.000 And if you lose your ESG rating, you lose your line of credit.

00:23:15.000 So you're going to hit a liquidity crisis.

00:23:18.000 It's not that strict yet.

00:23:20.000 Well, for corporations, it is that strict.

00:23:22.000 Well, no, I mean, Elon got a bad letter.

00:23:24.000 He's fine.

00:23:25.000 He figures it out.

00:23:25.000 Meaning, not all your financing instruments dry up, but there's a fear of that, right?

00:23:29.000 I mean, yeah, they want things very difficult for you.

00:23:32.000 Okay, let's take an example, okay, Target.

00:23:34.000 Yeah.

00:23:36.000 What you're making an argument, though, is that they're doing this because they want the easy way financially and profit-driven.

00:23:42.000 You're not saying that they actually believe this stuff.

00:23:45.000 I don't know for any given corporation for sure, but in all likelihood, they see a broader marketplace, not just their consumer marketplace.

00:23:54.000 Well, their consumers don't want it.

00:23:55.000 That's right. 1.00

00:23:56.000 There's not an overwhelming amount of San Francisco lesbians that say, I want a Raptor, Ford Raptor. 1.00

00:24:02.000 That is not the best-selling car in San Francisco. 1.00

00:24:04.000 Their ESG score is so important to them that they will alienate their customer base.

00:24:09.000 So you really think it's an ESG-driven social credit system?

00:24:11.000 100%.

00:24:12.000 Okay, so I'm not convinced.

00:24:16.000 How much of it then is just HR departments that have been taken over by campus revolutionaries that keep on pushing out these ideas and eventually they pierce through?

00:24:23.000 Well, I mean, that's part of that, but the reason that the HR is that way is partly also because you're ESG.

00:24:28.000 Your G-score depends on hiring the right people and having the right policies in your case.

00:24:32.000 Or is it just the supply of people you get from campuses?

00:24:34.000 Of course, you do have this.

00:24:36.000 You do have both of those things.

00:24:37.000 This is why we talked about before the Long March requires capture and education.

00:24:41.000 So you get the people plugging into the system and then you capture the system at the same time from the top down, and now you've got it squeezing at the middle.

00:24:48.000 Where Target is, Target probably has some total crackpot.

00:24:51.000 I mean, Bud Light had a crackpot working for it.

00:24:53.000 Sure.

00:24:53.000 No, no, no.

00:24:54.000 I don't doubt that.

00:24:55.000 I just, what shocked me is that even though you see the backlash, the companies are doubling and tripling and quadrupling down across the board, right?

00:25:04.000 Still not good enough.

00:25:05.000 Did you see what happened with Bud Light?

00:25:07.000 Just the other day. 0.55

00:25:08.000 Yeah, they lost their gay rating, right?

00:25:10.000 Their CEI, their corporate equality index score went down because they didn't stand up for Dilla Mulvaney strongly enough when given the opportunity is what the reason was. 0.90

00:25:18.000 In other words, this is an extortion racket on our corporations.

00:25:22.000 So your argument, and I trust you 100% on this, I'm just not yet there convinced, is that the Rainbow Jihadis are going around in a racketeering operation to demand advertisements, messaging, and influencer campaigns heading into Pride Month?

00:25:36.000 Those are explicitly programs that are inside earning your CEI, so yes.

00:25:42.000 Explicitly, you are going to make visibility a part of your marketing campaigns.

00:25:45.000 That's part of how you get your CEI.

00:25:47.000 You're going to apparently stand up for your brand advertiser or ambassador.

00:25:50.000 If something there's a backlash, that's part of it because they just lost their circuit.

00:25:53.000 So they've created this extra-constitutional corporate sort of Damocles that is constantly hanging over your company.

00:26:03.000 And then you have these beta male, soon-to-be-retired 59-year-old white men that are running the company that want the second house in Barbados, and they're like, I don't want the problem.

00:26:14.000 Well, it's more than that, too, because your G-score with the ESG is going to be that you're going to give corporate bonuses for playing along to those 59-year-olds.

00:26:21.000 They get bonuses if they do it, and they lose their bonuses if they don't.

00:26:26.000 So will they stop if they actually feel a check-in balance?

00:26:30.000 I mean, that's the question, right?

00:26:32.000 Let me ask you this, James.

00:26:33.000 Let me ask you another way.

00:26:35.000 Are you hopeful now that you actually are starting to see some companies collapse because of this?

00:26:41.000 Indirectly, yes.

00:26:42.000 And the reason is because Senator Cruz, for example, has already said that he wants to haul the execs of Anheuser-Busch in front of the Senate and have him explain why in the world are you doing this?

00:26:52.000 Why is this happening?

00:26:53.000 Because what has to happen is that the cartel has to get exposed.

00:26:56.000 If you're going to bust a cartel, you have to expose the cartel.

00:26:59.000 You have to give the people inside of it an off-ramp.

00:27:01.000 You talk, we give you a deal.

00:27:03.000 Yeah, no, that kind of thing.

00:27:03.000 No, exactly.

00:27:04.000 The drivers and the bag runners and the accountants, you give play deals and immunity.

00:27:07.000 That's right.

00:27:08.000 And so you start driving it up the chain until the ESG card that you find.

00:27:12.000 Exactly.

00:27:13.000 And in this case, what it is, is we know where it is.

00:27:16.000 It's hiding in Vanguard and BlackRock and these major investment firms.

00:27:19.000 Is it, or is it that the HRC controls them?

00:27:22.000 Well, they're using the HRC control.

00:27:25.000 I would assume that the banks are controlling the HRC.

00:27:27.000 The HRC has created a score that they find very, very useful.

00:27:31.000 So you think all roads lead to Wall Street banks that want to see more trans stuff, more anti-Americanism, and they're using, like Larry Fink, the $10 trillion man, is using his company as basically a pension-funded Democrat super PAC.

00:27:49.000 More or less, yeah.

00:27:51.000 The World Economic Forum is like the transmission that gets the power to the wheels, to the corporations and to the government.

00:27:59.000 But that power is coming from places like the United Nations, the CCP, and these gigantic banks.

00:28:04.000 What do you have to say to the argument that now the economy is a little bit on the jitter is a little bit more fragile?

00:28:10.000 It's harder to be woke, meaning your margins are decreased, right?

00:28:14.000 And plus, Target has to bake in the BLM shoplifters every month, right? 1.00

00:28:19.000 So they're going to lose a couple hundred million to urban youth just stealing their stuff every single month.

00:28:25.000 So they have to just, I can't do that or else it'll be called racist.

00:28:27.000 I'm not kidding.

00:28:28.000 That's literally baked into. 0.57

00:28:30.000 They're like, okay, we see a black come in. 1.00

00:28:32.000 We can't tell him to stop shoplifting. 0.97

00:28:34.000 Just for the record, people of all colors, shoplift, but it's true that they're not going to touch a black person that's stealing something. 0.87

00:28:41.000 So they're like, so they already have hundreds of millions of dollars they're losing for that.

00:28:44.000 And now they have this huge boycott and they're freaking out.

00:28:48.000 They're having emergency meetings.

00:28:50.000 So let me ask you a different question.

00:28:52.000 What do we then do as conservatives, people with platforms?

00:28:54.000 How do we punish and crush these people?

00:28:56.000 So the logic of punish and crush, I think, needs a perspective shift.

00:29:00.000 We should keep the pressure on, but we should also be trying to get lawmakers to make those deals with them.

00:29:05.000 How do you get our Republican leaders to step up and say, look, we're going to find a way out of, you're in a cartel.

00:29:11.000 We're going to get the mob off of your back.

00:29:13.000 That's what we need to be working on.

00:29:15.000 As consumers, we need to be punishing corporations that are continuing so that we keep the pressure on.

00:29:19.000 And if a company comes out, like if Bud Light comes out and says, you know what, we messed up.

00:29:25.000 Buy Dylan Mulvaney.

00:29:26.000 This is why we did it.

00:29:27.000 We're held hostage by CEI, blah, blah, blah.

00:29:29.000 Then we start buying Bud Light again.

00:29:31.000 We start supporting companies that talk, only companies that try to throw the ESG cartel under the bus.

00:29:36.000 There's no apology is good enough.

00:29:38.000 They're throwing the corporate cartel under the bus.

00:29:40.000 Now we're in business.

00:29:41.000 So you really believe that this is, and no, you might be right.

00:29:44.000 This is a Python that is squeezing corporate America to act in a certain way.

00:29:49.000 I think there are a handful of corporations that have been promised monopoly status on the other side that are doing it willfully.

00:29:55.000 And you find out who those are and all of a sudden you're getting some work done.

00:29:58.000 I think that pressure you're talking about, those corporations, Target probably wants out of this trap.

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00:30:21.000 And it was a tough one.

00:30:22.000 And I didn't want to go to those woke banks. 0.98

00:30:24.000 I did previous, my last mortgage we did.

00:30:27.000 It was with a woke bank, and they were just, they were bureaucratic, and they donate the BLM and the gay agenda and all that stuff. 0.79

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00:33:17.000 So you got Target, Amazon, Walmart, the three big competitors against one another.

00:33:21.000 Do you think there's an opportunity to make Target squeal?

00:33:24.000 I think that if I was a Target exec and I felt the pressures that I'm under, that I would very much be looking for an off-ramp.

00:33:32.000 I might be very tempted by a plausible offer to be able to squeal if there's some substantial protections for me to be able to do so.

00:33:42.000 It's amazing because the media would call us conspiracy theorists, but it's all just out there.

00:33:47.000 I mean, the conspiracy happens at Davos like every year.

00:33:50.000 It's literally, they brag about it.

00:33:52.000 It costs half a million dollars to sign up and go.

00:33:55.000 It's a real thing.

00:33:58.000 So let's just think more broadly.

00:34:00.000 What can the, I ask this a lot when you come on commonly.

00:34:02.000 What can the everyday ordinary person do to do their part dutifully, obediently to fight against the Leviathan?

00:34:10.000 Because it seems overwhelming.

00:34:11.000 I mean, we just saw that if we do a focused boycott on a relatively small number, and it could be somewhat capricious, whoever comes out first, you're going to get the hammer.

00:34:21.000 Causes this pressure to come up.

00:34:23.000 But we also have to be pressuring talking to, reaching out to our lawmakers, our attorneys general, and so on.

00:34:29.000 Everyday people can actually write letters to these people, you know, emails and so on.

00:34:32.000 Call their offices.

00:34:33.000 There needs to be the pressure to haul these people in and start the lines of questioning.

00:34:37.000 Start thinking of pathways, not your individual everyday, you know, Charlie Kirk chopping at Target, or not Target, maybe.

00:34:43.000 I did that on purpose.

00:34:44.000 Sorry.

00:34:46.000 But your average everyday person could be writing, hey, you know, dear Attorney General, what can you do to save American prosperity?

00:34:53.000 Ford, like Detroit's already just barely on, like limping along, and now Ford's going to get hammered.

00:34:59.000 How good is that for Detroit?

00:35:00.000 No one by Ford, okay?

00:35:02.000 I don't care if GM is worse or Chrysler.

00:35:05.000 Ford popped their head up first.

00:35:06.000 They're done.

00:35:07.000 That's, I mean, this is kind of the pressure game.

00:35:09.000 And when the pressure game gets played, we also need the other side, though.

00:35:12.000 Where's the valve?

00:35:13.000 And so we need to be asking, we need to be talking clearly about this.

00:35:16.000 We need to be researching.

00:35:18.000 Citizen researchers, citizen journalists are going to pull this all apart. 0.67

00:35:22.000 Do your own research is the anathema to the regime.

00:35:25.000 So, somebody going and digging and finding out that the CEI score is relevant is what brought it to my attention.

00:35:31.000 Now, everybody's talking about the CEI six months later because some guy doing some research told me about it at a conference in September.

00:35:31.000 Now, I'm talking about it.

00:35:37.000 Does it give you hope that there's at least an enlightened sense of caring and activism, that there is a little bit of punch now materializing in this opposition?

00:35:47.000 Yes, very much.

00:35:48.000 I don't think that was here around a couple years ago.

00:35:50.000 Definitely.

00:35:50.000 During Floyd of Palooza, these companies did whatever they wanted.

00:35:54.000 And there was, I mean, you and I fought as hard as we could, but we were alone.

00:35:57.000 Yeah.

00:35:58.000 Now it seems like there's a little bit of spice.

00:36:00.000 I mean, a bit of a zing.

00:36:01.000 Yeah, look at Anheuser-Busch waffling.

00:36:03.000 They didn't come out with a big proud statement.

00:36:05.000 They're like, oh no, what do we do?

00:36:06.000 Look at Target, scared waffling.

00:36:08.000 No, Target's moving the kids' section out.

00:36:10.000 So someone on the show, they said, what's the success look like?

00:36:12.000 I said, Chapter 11.

00:36:13.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:36:15.000 That's a total possibility here.

00:36:16.000 Or getting them in front of a Senate committee, squealing.

00:36:20.000 Which, who knows, right?

00:36:21.000 I mean, and it could be a Texas subcommittee.

00:36:23.000 It could be an Alabama subcommittee, right?

00:36:25.000 Because, I mean, they have 1,300 stores across the country, right?

00:36:28.000 It could be a shareholder revolt saying that whatever is going on here is.

00:36:31.000 By the way, their sales are down 5% to 7% in some of their key markets.

00:36:34.000 And they're like, what the heck is going on?

00:36:35.000 Well, what's happening is you've said to your best customers, moms, we hate you. 0.94

00:36:39.000 That's right. 0.98

00:36:40.000 We want to groom them.

00:36:40.000 And we want your kids.

00:36:41.000 Closing, James, you got to explain why they go after the kids.

00:36:44.000 Is this intentional or is this some sort of accident?

00:36:47.000 No, this is totally intentional.

00:36:48.000 This is something that ties into everything we've been talking about.

00:36:51.000 If you want to change a country through a revolution, you have to get the next generation on board. 1.00

00:36:56.000 Initiation.

00:36:57.000 You have to initiate them.

00:36:58.000 That's right.

00:36:58.000 That's in fact in queer theory.

00:36:59.000 You know, they do their pairs.

00:37:01.000 Everything's binaries: male, female, masculine, feminine.

00:37:04.000 But then one of them is innocence versus initiation.

00:37:06.000 That's one of their explicit binaries that they play against.

00:37:09.000 So they have to take childhood innocence away.

00:37:11.000 But what they really have to do is they not only have to indoctrinate the kids, they have to separate them.

00:37:15.000 If you were going to have a cult, if you had Charlie Kirk's cult, you know, what are you going to do?

00:37:20.000 You don't want the people in your cult to go back to their family and then say, hey, get away from Charlie.

00:37:25.000 He's messing with your head, man.

00:37:26.000 You need to separate.

00:37:27.000 No, your family's dangerous.

00:37:29.000 So they need these kids to see their parents as potentially dangerous.

00:37:32.000 This is the behavior of a groomer.

00:37:33.000 That's exactly right.

00:37:34.000 You have to separate the next generation from the previous ones. 0.99

00:37:37.000 So there is an agenda from the Rainbow Jihadi Mafia. 1.00

00:37:42.000 We want to have kids' swimsuits in Target.

00:37:46.000 So that there's a pathway of actions that comes down to one day they say something to their parents about their sexuality.

00:37:52.000 Their parents says, not in my house.

00:37:54.000 And then you have the fight, the split.

00:37:55.000 And then you have a schism.

00:37:56.000 And a schism.

00:37:57.000 That's exactly right.

00:37:58.000 And you build a red guard that will turn on their parents, just like Mao did with the kids at the time. 0.53

00:38:02.000 That's already happening, though.

00:38:03.000 Rainbow Guard.

00:38:04.000 We talked about that before.

00:38:06.000 We have one minute.

00:38:07.000 You got to do this in 45 seconds. 1.00

00:38:09.000 Drag Floyd. 0.98

00:38:10.000 What do we have to be ready for in June?

00:38:12.000 We are going to see a crazy provocation in June from the LGBT universe, the queer universe. 1.00

00:38:18.000 We're going to see drag queens everywhere with kids.

00:38:21.000 If you rise to this and act in extremism, this is going to get turned around.

00:38:25.000 Absolutely.

00:38:26.000 Into a whole, you know, discredit the right George Floyd Summer of Love all over again and expect these provocations to come hard and heavy into Target specifically.

00:38:36.000 They're going to try Dragapalooza, okay?

00:38:38.000 Dragapalooza is coming in June, where they want you to act in a way that is not characteristic to your values and you're going to regret it.

00:38:45.000 And then all of a sudden they say, see, this is why we need Patriot Act 2.0.

00:38:48.000 That's right.

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00:41:44.000 So they want dragapalooza.

00:41:45.000 What does that mean?

00:41:46.000 Well, what we're going to look at this summer is going to be the strongest provocations of the LGBTQ program that we've seen. 0.99

00:41:54.000 So let's just say, like, these people are so sick. 0.60

00:41:57.000 What is their best case scenario that a muscular veteran white Christian father wearing a MAGA hat goes and punches a drag queen and that drag queen dies? 0.98

00:42:06.000 Yeah, punches something or something like that. 0.86

00:42:08.000 No, I'm not joking.

00:42:09.000 Like that's actually what they want, right? 1.00

00:42:11.000 That would be like it's a dad that says, you stupid pervert and punches that person and like the person goes into anaphylactic shock or something. 1.00

00:42:18.000 That's right. 1.00

00:42:19.000 Because then you have the martyr to hand right there.

00:42:19.000 That's right.

00:42:23.000 You have George Floyd, but of the drag queen variety.

00:42:26.000 Are they going to false flag this, James?

00:42:28.000 I'm not trying to get.

00:42:29.000 They absolutely could.

00:42:31.000 They absolutely could. 1.00

00:42:32.000 I wouldn't be the least bitch. 0.99

00:42:34.000 You've been talking about drag Floyd for a long time. 0.99

00:42:36.000 Yeah, I have.

00:42:37.000 Actually, we talked about it at Amfest and the Media Matters had an article out about it before we got off stage.

00:42:37.000 That's right.

00:42:42.000 So you're 100% correct.

00:42:44.000 Well, that's why.

00:42:45.000 They have to scatter to the wind.

00:42:48.000 So are they going to try to then bring feds and try to bring the feds up against the drag trannies? 1.00

00:42:54.000 It's entirely possible.

00:42:55.000 And then to try to do what they did on January 6th.

00:42:57.000 Don't take the bait, everybody.

00:42:58.000 Don't take the bait.

00:42:59.000 During the month of June, you could speak, you could protest, but my goodness, understand they're going to.

00:43:05.000 All right, James.

00:43:06.000 What you have to do is not be rambling.

00:43:08.000 Why?

00:43:08.000 What is provocation?

00:43:09.000 Why does it matter for them?

00:43:10.000 Okay, so the whole game, if you read their operations manuals, one of which is called Beautiful Troubled, one of their core principles, it's literally beautifultrouble.org.

00:43:18.000 Go read it.

00:43:19.000 It's a book online that tells you how they do all their activism.

00:43:21.000 You want to short circuit them?

00:43:22.000 Why don't you learn what they do?

00:43:23.000 It's no problem.

00:43:24.000 One of their principles explicitly is your real action is your target's reaction.

00:43:30.000 Their goal is to get you to overreact and to use it against you.

00:43:33.000 And so they're going to throw out, you know, drag of palooza. 1.00

00:43:36.000 And what you have to do is you have to understand this is an intentional provocation to try to get people to overreact.

00:43:41.000 And you need to call it out.

00:43:42.000 This is an intentional provocation to overreact so you can take our liberty.

00:43:46.000 We are not going to walk into the trap.

00:43:48.000 You need to be as clear as you can.

00:43:49.000 If you're in a group, an organized group, your protests, you need to be disciplined.

00:43:53.000 You need to be organized.

00:43:54.000 You need to make sure the madness of the crowd doesn't consume you.

00:43:56.000 You need to know when to leave to get out of there.

00:43:59.000 And understand that there's probably a fed next to you wearing a MAGA hat.

00:44:02.000 Absolutely clear statements before you show up.

00:44:06.000 Yes.

00:44:06.000 Everything.

00:44:07.000 And look for the Ray Epps, who's allegedly a Fed from J6. 0.98

00:44:13.000 Yeah, we have to go into the drag show.

00:44:15.000 We have to go into the drag show. 1.00

00:44:16.000 We have to go storm the drag show. 1.00

00:44:18.000 Let's go into the drag show. 1.00

00:44:19.000 Watch out for that guy.

00:44:20.000 No, but that's the real thing, though.

00:44:21.000 This is the real thing.

00:44:22.000 They want to have drag Jan 6.

00:44:25.000 To get real philosophical with you, whether it's Hegel, whether it's Marx, they believe history moves through what?

00:44:30.000 Conflict.

00:44:31.000 Reichstag fires.

00:44:32.000 So they have to bring conflict to bear, and the bigger the conflict, the more they can move history.

00:44:37.000 In other words, the more power-grabbing policy they can pass.

00:44:42.000 So is discipline the way that we prevent this?

00:44:44.000 Or we also have to expose it before it, like this is super important, right? 0.97

00:44:47.000 Exposing it is so people think it's stupid and doesn't do anything. 0.98

00:44:51.000 I think it's totally boring. 0.88

00:44:52.000 Second, every person who's heard the Drag Floyd meme, the sec, I know this because I get texts and emails about it every time there's a story even similar to something that could be, oh, Drag Floyd started, Drag Floyd started.

00:45:03.000 So on June 1st, we need everyone tweeting, happy Pride Month.

00:45:07.000 Remember, Pride is a sin, paragraph, paragraph down, right?

00:45:10.000 Do not fall for Drag Floyd. 0.97

00:45:14.000 How do we word this?

00:45:15.000 Drag Floyd is drag Floyd this month. 0.82

00:45:17.000 Stay peaceful.

00:45:17.000 Stay disciplined.

00:45:18.000 Don't let the feds let you get violent.

00:45:20.000 Yeah, don't get provoked.

00:45:22.000 You got to think that there's strategic action and then there's reaction.

00:45:25.000 And reaction is what they're looking for: strategic action.

00:45:28.000 Because they're losing without our reaction, James. 1.00

00:45:30.000 Do you have any idea how foolish they look? 0.99

00:45:32.000 So what they're doing only looks reasonable against somebody acting out crazy. 1.00

00:45:38.000 Otherwise, they look horrible. 0.97

00:45:40.000 They look monstrous. 0.94

00:45:41.000 They look scary. 0.98

00:45:42.000 They look poisonous. 1.00

00:45:43.000 They look like fools as long as we don't give them the reaction that they're looking for. 1.00

00:45:47.000 At which point, all of a sudden, they look justified. 0.99

00:45:50.000 This is, I mean, frankly, Charlie, if I might go Christian on you, you know, this is turn the other cheek.

00:45:55.000 No, that really is.

00:45:56.000 Turning the other cheek doesn't mean just take it in the face.

00:45:58.000 It's not what Jesus. 1.00

00:45:59.000 Jesus is not so stupid as to say, just let him beat you up. 1.00

00:46:03.000 What turn the other cheek means is you insult me on one cheek, show them what a jerk you are. 1.00

00:46:07.000 Hit the other one, go ahead. 1.00

00:46:08.000 Exactly.

00:46:09.000 And you want to make them look bad by you staying centered.

00:46:12.000 Jesus is based. 0.97

00:46:13.000 Go ahead, slap my other side of my face. 0.99

00:46:14.000 Go ahead. 0.99

00:46:15.000 You got the right?

00:46:16.000 Take the left.

00:46:16.000 Go ahead.

00:46:17.000 Stay based. 0.97

00:46:19.000 Don't let them beat Beat you up or whatever, but what you have to do is let them show their butt to the world without showing yours back. 0.97

00:46:28.000 That's the message. 0.98

00:46:29.000 Absence a reaction.

00:46:31.000 They are going to collapse.

00:46:33.000 That's right.

00:46:34.000 They will lose the popular fight.

00:46:37.000 They already are.

00:46:38.000 They are descending until some person, either on payroll or on a PSYOP campaign, or somebody that's paid, is going to go into the streets.

00:46:49.000 or who is provoked and is brought up, right?

00:46:52.000 All of a sudden goes and punches a drag queen or whatever.

00:46:55.000 And so you might think of whatever on the, if you're in the conservative or whatever, but everybody to the even slightly left of center, kind of wavering Democrats who are finally kind of waking up, they're all going to get sucked right back into the beast the second something like that happens.

00:47:08.000 And you might think those people don't matter.

00:47:10.000 Those people are the core of what drops the moral authority out of their movement.

00:47:15.000 If we lose them because we act like fools, they're going to gain their moral authority back for six more months and a rough shot over all of us.

00:47:23.000 James Lindsay, everybody, we got to do our event. 0.88

00:47:25.000 Email is freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:47:27.000 Make sure you get a friend to subscribe and text this episode to your friends and say, we need to make sure we do not allow a drag Floyd in the month of June.

00:47:36.000 God bless you guys.

00:47:37.000 See you soon.

00:47:38.000 Thanks, man.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 26, 2023

Don't Fall for Drag Floyd! with James Lindsay

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