The Charlie Kirk Show - Donald Trump: America's "Blackest President?"

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00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, we have Colonel Douglas McGregor and Pastor Mark Burns.

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00:01:25.000 Joining us now is a great man and a good friend, Pastor Mark Burns.

00:01:29.000 How you doing, man?

00:01:30.000 Happy to be here, Charlie.

00:01:31.000 Yeah, you were just with the president.

00:01:33.000 You were like on tour.

00:01:34.000 It was like the Rolling Stones there in South Carolina.

00:01:36.000 The band bringing the bad back together again.

00:01:38.000 I love it.

00:01:39.000 So first introduce yourself to the audience.

00:01:41.000 You have a huge platform.

00:01:42.000 You do great work for the country and the kingdom.

00:01:44.000 Well, you know, Charlie, God has given me favor with President Trump, his family, his team.

00:01:50.000 Time magazine labeled me as Trump's top pastor.

00:01:52.000 And so Yahoo News gave me, labeled me as one of the 16 people to shaped the 2016 presidential election.

00:01:59.000 And I've been just preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, fighting any policies that are contrary to the word of God and being an echo and a voice to President Trump's ear concerning his faith, his walk with the Lord, and to know that without a shadow of a doubt, we cannot, he cannot leave this nation without the hand of God over his life.

00:02:18.000 And so it's just been a battle after battle, but there need to be more and more people standing up for truth.

00:02:24.000 Do you believe the hand of God is on Trump?

00:02:26.000 Without question, Charlie.

00:02:27.000 I mean, there's zero reason for any person to have been attacked the way he's been attacked and to survive every attack that has hit him and still come on top.

00:02:38.000 These indictments, the foolish Russian collusion, way back when he was running, the whole video that the hot mic comment that was made, right?

00:02:50.000 All these things that should have taken anybody out.

00:02:52.000 Just one of those incidents, they would have resigned or dropped out of the race.

00:02:56.000 All it's done is make Donald Trump more popular to American people related to him.

00:03:01.000 And so he is.

00:03:02.000 Oh, I agree.

00:03:03.000 I think the hand of God is totally on him, but what he's been through and what he continues to fight for.

00:03:07.000 So you were just on tour with him in South Carolina at the Black Conservative Federation event.

00:03:13.000 Yeah.

00:03:14.000 Did I get that right?

00:03:14.000 Very powerful.

00:03:15.000 Yeah.

00:03:16.000 Tell us all about this.

00:03:16.000 And I'm seeing more and more evidence, and I want you to lead us through this, that black voters can tilt in Trump's direction in historic ways.

00:03:25.000 100%, Charlie.

00:03:26.000 I mean, you see this happening throughout America, black, especially black men. 1.00

00:03:30.000 I mean, it is a real 911 issue for Democrats, and they are afraid.

00:03:35.000 They're beginning to cower because they're seeing that black men are resonating with Donald Trump. 0.77

00:03:41.000 And I don't care what some of these black talking heads on MSNBC and Al Sharpton says you're not black. 0.69

00:03:48.000 Yeah, Al Sharpton, you know, you know, we got a clip of that. 0.92

00:03:51.000 Keep going.

00:03:52.000 You know, saying those things.

00:03:54.000 The reality of it is, uh, black people are tired of having given a monopoly to the Democratic Party without any change. 0.96

00:04:03.000 And right now, black people are wising up and they're saying, Listen, we're not going to vote just for a party, we want you to vote for our interests, and that's where Donald Trump is coming.

00:04:12.000 That's why you're seeing a large number and the black confederate, the black uh, I said black confederate because there were some real black confederates too.

00:04:18.000 That's a whole nother conversation.

00:04:19.000 I probably just got in trouble, but it's true. 0.99

00:04:22.000 I plead the fifth on you, it's the truth.

00:04:23.000 And I'm sorry, uh, I'm not Uncle Tom, that's just facts, right?

00:04:27.000 And so, that's a whole nother conversation.

00:04:28.000 But the reality: Black Conservative Federation, Conservative Federation, Charlie Kirk, I'm in trouble already, and I just got here.

00:04:37.000 I think I got the name right, I'm not making anything up.

00:04:40.000 You got it right, the Conservative Federation.

00:04:42.000 Uh, and so you saw it was a massive crowd of black conservatives in South Carolina, in my state.

00:04:49.000 Uh, I had spoke at the Trump rally that afternoon in Rock Hill, South Carolina, rocked the house with Tim Scott and uh, Byron, uh, Congressman Byron, and and Marjorie Taylor Greene and myself.

00:05:01.000 And so, then after that event, we rushed to Columbia to go to the uh, to the to the black conservative federation, and it was a powerful movement.

00:05:09.000 They see Donald Trump, and he called my name out, he honored me as he has been doing at some of his rallies to tell people, Hey, this guy's been here from day one, he's my guy, and let's go and win America.

00:05:19.000 So, you mentioned black men.

00:05:22.000 How can you describe the difference between black men and black women and why black men are tilting Republican, not as much black women?

00:05:28.000 Why do you think that is?

00:05:29.000 Well, Charlie, because for 400 years, there's been a two-tier justice system to black men, particularly to black men, right?

00:05:35.000 Black men have been fighting this system, and now we see.

00:05:39.000 I hate to hear people like Reverend Sharpton and others who are who are denying the fact that black men are seeing themselves in Donald Trump.

00:05:48.000 They see that there is a real two-tier system, uh, and they are saying, Hey, that's been happening to me.

00:05:54.000 Hey, that's been happening to my uncle.

00:05:55.000 Hey, that happened to my father.

00:05:57.000 Hey, that's the same thing that's and if they're doing it to Don, if they're doing it to Donald Trump, then my God, we have no, no, no, no, uh, a chance uh in America, and so it is and so God is using Donald Trump to expose this thing, right?

00:06:11.000 They are creating laws, they are indicting this man for some frivolous things, uh, foolish things, but yet they're trying to do whatever it takes to just simply get Trump.

00:06:21.000 And so, black men are seeing themselves, but not only that, the economic empowerment, right? 0.95

00:06:25.000 I mean, you got to understand, black men desire to leave their families. 1.00

00:06:29.000 That's one of the ploys of the Democratic Party is to remove the black father out of the home. 0.99

00:06:34.000 And if you destroy the black father, you start to destroy black legacies, you just start to destroy black economic empowerment. 0.71

00:06:41.000 Donald Trump says, Listen, I'm not coming to fight for no one race, I'm not coming to raise up one particular race, I'm not fighting just for the black community, I'm fighting for anyone, any race, anybody that is an American citizen. 0.94

00:06:54.000 That if the tide rises, all of the boats rise with them, and that includes those in the black community. 1.00

00:06:59.000 And black people are seeing that they're tired of Democrats' lies and constantly promising things that never comes to pass just by simply supporting the Democratic Party.

00:07:09.000 Donald Trump is changing that. 0.72

00:07:10.000 Al Sharpton says, Uh, you aren't black, play cut seven.

00:07:14.000 Why would black Americans relate to Donald Trump there? 0.94

00:07:18.000 I don't understand the connection.

00:07:20.000 Well, first of all, let's be clear: Donald Trump is using the stereotype of blacks being criminals, and therefore we would gravitate towards somebody in a mugshot.

00:07:34.000 But now he's a symbol of being persecuted, he's being persecuted by black prosecutors, a black woman judge in the federal court in Washington, D.C. 0.96

00:07:44.000 And any shameless blacks that are standing there applauding him needs to check the facts. 1.00

00:07:50.000 You're shameless, yeah. 0.99

00:07:52.000 Well, Revolt Sharpton, again, clearly doesn't know my black father. 0.98

00:07:56.000 Clearly doesn't know my black grandfather who just passed.

00:07:58.000 My great-grandfather, my great-great-grandfather, who are all black, the strong black lineage of being born in South Carolina.

00:08:06.000 I don't know.

00:08:07.000 I know he's from up north, but I am from South Carolina, right?

00:08:11.000 It is the state that seceded from the North.

00:08:13.000 I know what real racism is, and it's most definitely not Donald Trump, but the reality of it is there is a higher crime and violence amongst our people.

00:08:20.000 There is a higher crime of us, black community, in prisons. 1.00

00:08:25.000 And it's not because we're just black, it's because of a lack of opportunities that when you have people like Al Sharpton who are constantly speaking race and race baiting and focusing on emotionalism and not policies, then you're going to continue to get the same thing that we're always getting.

00:08:39.000 And that is people who are fighting emotionalism and not dealing with policy.

00:08:44.000 Listen, Donald Trump is the blackest president that we've ever had in the history of the United States of America. 0.95

00:08:49.000 And I mean that by policies. 0.98

00:08:50.000 I'm not talking about the color of his skin.

00:08:52.000 I'm talking about the fact that this man has introduced money to HBCUs, historical black colleges and the universities.

00:08:58.000 And that's why black men are resonating to him.

00:09:00.000 I'm talking about the fact that opportunities were created to bring in businesses into low-income communities.

00:09:06.000 A lot of them, Charlie, are black communities. 0.93

00:09:08.000 So black people are violent in certain areas of America, not because we're just violent people, because we're fighting over scraps. 0.79

00:09:14.000 But if you can convince white Americans who own companies, who can create jobs, or even black owners that can come into low-income territories, build their facilities, build their plant their businesses, create jobs within those communities, right? 0.73

00:09:31.000 Then you're raising the tide in all communities.

00:09:34.000 That's what Donald Trump is all about.

00:09:35.000 But we're not even talking about the Clinton reform bill that he did not get credit for.

00:09:40.000 Van Jones gave everybody credit but Donald Trump, right?

00:09:43.000 The one that pushed the thing through, right?

00:09:45.000 So these are real factual things that are happening.

00:09:48.000 And Reverend Sharpton is talking about emotionalism and not policy.

00:09:52.000 The fact of the matter is black people do resonate.

00:09:55.000 And to call me shameless and to call me, listen, I'm voting for my interests, my brother.

00:10:01.000 I'm voting for my interests.

00:10:02.000 I'm voting for my children.

00:10:04.000 I'm voting for my cousins, my nephews, my black nephews, my black family members to realize that we need to be an America that will do what Dr. King said.

00:10:13.000 And that is that not just me for the color of my skin, but for the content of my character, the type of person I am and the person I'm becoming.

00:10:21.000 My hard work should be a reward in America and not be blocked by the color of my skin.

00:10:26.000 That's what Turning Point is doing.

00:10:28.000 I'm going to say that what you guys are doing.

00:10:30.000 Again, I'm going to say that you guys are fighting a critical race theory at a level that people don't even understand.

00:10:38.000 Thanks.

00:10:39.000 And to be honest with you, until we have more and more people to recognize that, we're simply killing ourselves, shooting ourselves in the own foot, and not realizing that our real enemy, Charlie, is coming from the gates of hell, Lucifer, Satan.

00:10:52.000 And until we begin to attack that, we will always lose.

00:10:55.000 Amen.

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00:12:00.000 So, I want to play a piece of tape here.

00:12:02.000 It's cut 58 CNN reacting to what you said, similar to what you just said.

00:12:06.000 Play Cut 58.

00:12:08.000 Can you get more insulting?

00:12:11.000 Do you really think that people like you because you were indicted?

00:12:15.000 Because there is some suggestion that's being made here that people see themselves in you.

00:12:21.000 He's just like me.

00:12:22.000 I too have been indicted.

00:12:24.000 That discrimination and all that accompanies it can be reduced to what your experience has been.

00:12:32.000 Your reaction to that was kind of a word salad from CNN.

00:12:35.000 Well, again, this is a person that is fighting emotionalism and not facts.

00:12:39.000 I mean, the reality of it is, look at the numbers, right?

00:12:41.000 Black men are supporting Donald J. Trump for president of the United States of America.

00:12:47.000 It is in the data.

00:12:49.000 I don't care how many times you want to placate to discrimination.

00:12:53.000 And listen, let's just be clear.

00:12:54.000 Let me be controversial here.

00:12:56.000 Racism is not just about the color of your skin, right?

00:12:59.000 Racism is about the haves and the have-nots, right?

00:13:02.000 The reality of it is, go back to 1994, the Rwanda genocide, right?

00:13:06.000 The Hutus and the Tootsies.

00:13:08.000 Right.

00:13:08.000 That's right.

00:13:08.000 They killed each other.

00:13:09.000 One million black men and women and children were killed within 30 days.

00:13:14.000 It is about the haves and the have-nots.

00:13:17.000 The reality of it is, this lady is talking about, yes, I'm discriminated by the color of my skin.

00:13:21.000 And let's be clear, that has been, that is factual.

00:13:24.000 That has happened in America.

00:13:25.000 It is clear that those things have happened.

00:13:27.000 We're not ignoring them, but the reality of it is she's trying to ignore the fact that black men are incapable of looking at Donald Trump, a billionaire, former president of the United States of America, and to simply say that people cannot connect to him because they are recognizing a two-tiered justice system in this nation, a two-tiered injustice system in this nation, how they are unjustly, unjustly, excuse me,

00:13:53.000 coming after Donald Trump simply for his political stance, the number one Republican, the future Republican nominee. 0.51

00:13:59.000 And we believe the 47th president of the United States of America, that is preposterous for her to say that.

00:14:05.000 Black people are resonating.

00:14:07.000 Look at the numbers.

00:14:08.000 I just left Atlanta.

00:14:10.000 Tell us about that.

00:14:10.000 I just left Atlanta.

00:14:12.000 Atlanta is Democrat ground zero.

00:14:15.000 Speaking with a well-known, what one of Reverend Al Sharpton's proteges, Dr. Jamal Bryan, who is a protege of Reverend Al Sharpton.

00:14:24.000 I just did his show, his podcast, right?

00:14:26.000 That says, let me be clear.

00:14:28.000 And the reality of it is, in those conversations, in the heart of Atlanta, in the heart of Democrat ground zero, after the interviews, many of the producers and those that were in the audience walked up to me privately and said, Pastor, I had no idea that that was happening.

00:14:45.000 And you're absolutely right that we are not 100% behind Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

00:14:51.000 We are tired of people using us simply for the color of our skin and not fighting for our interests.

00:14:56.000 That's what Donald Trump is doing.

00:14:58.000 Donald Trump is the only one talking about creating black-owned businesses in America.

00:15:02.000 Donald Trump is the only one talking about we need to close that border because it's affecting low-income families, particularly it's affecting black people in America.

00:15:11.000 Donald Trump is the only one talking about making sure that we are creating streams of revenue and creating economic empowerment and teaching financial literacy within low-income communities in America.

00:15:23.000 So to continuously use these types of rhetoric on her end, she's the true Uncle Tom.

00:15:29.000 She's the true slave master. 0.99

00:15:30.000 You know, they use black slavers to keep black people in check, right? 1.00

00:15:34.000 So you know the history of that. 1.00

00:15:35.000 So they will go find black men. 1.00

00:15:37.000 I'm not allowed to talk about it. 0.96

00:15:38.000 Well, but let me just say this: the fact that, no, that's a lie.

00:15:41.000 Because fact is fact. 0.94

00:15:42.000 No, the devil is a liar. 0.99

00:15:44.000 And I don't give a rat's crap who that offends. 0.99

00:15:46.000 The reality of it is truth is truth, and it can't be based off of the color of the skin. 0.99

00:15:50.000 Of fact, at the church event that I'm going to today, I am going to say that to my white pastors. 0.74

00:15:55.000 You need to stop hiding behind the color of your skin. 0.99

00:15:57.000 The word of God is your authority.

00:15:59.000 And so, when you speak it, you speak with power and forget none of this nonsense.

00:16:03.000 And I don't care if they counsel you.

00:16:04.000 You can't counsel God.

00:16:06.000 You can't counsel the Messiah.

00:16:08.000 You can't counsel the Holy Spirit.

00:16:10.000 And so, I want to ask this.

00:16:13.000 So, we're seeing momentum in the black community.

00:16:15.000 And oh, by the way, here is President Trump cheering you on.

00:16:18.000 We found the clip.

00:16:19.000 Wonderful.

00:16:19.000 59.

00:16:20.000 A man who I really like, and he's a hell of a pastor.

00:16:24.000 I can tell you that, Pastor Mark Burns.

00:16:26.000 Mark, where are you?

00:16:27.000 Wait, he's a great guy.

00:16:32.000 There you go.

00:16:33.000 I love him.

00:16:34.000 He's a dear friend.

00:16:34.000 Yeah, he's a special person, and he's fighting for all of us.

00:16:38.000 And so we're seeing real movement in the black community.

00:16:41.000 So that's legit.

00:16:42.000 That's not the noise.

00:16:44.000 No, it is 100% legit.

00:16:45.000 Again, whether you're in New York or whether you're in South Carolina, whether you're in other parts of this nation, you're seeing more and more black people saying, listen, the Democratic Party has had a monopoly on the black vote for way too long, right? 0.90

00:17:00.000 And the reality of it is it was Republicans that freed the slaves.

00:17:05.000 It was Representative Stevens that argued on the floor who was called the radical Republicans who fought for the 13th Amendment to even be passed.

00:17:13.000 Thaddeus Stevenson's.

00:17:15.000 And so the reality of it is it was Democrats who said, no, that should not happen.

00:17:19.000 It should never happen.

00:17:20.000 Matter of fact, these people are not even human. 0.51

00:17:22.000 And that same mentality has went on even when the Democratic Party got a black face to represent it called Barack Hussein Obama.

00:17:30.000 And I know that's going to piss off a lot of people, but it is fact because the reality of it is Barack Hussein Obama did poorly for his community, right?

00:17:40.000 He did not advance us.

00:17:41.000 He took things away.

00:17:43.000 The things that Donald Trump replaced, put back into position, like the funding for HBCUs, historically black colleges and universities.

00:17:50.000 Donald Trump fixed that, the problem that Barack Obama took away.

00:17:54.000 So listen, as long as we're going to keep talking about, as long as we're going to keep focusing on emotionalism and how like Joe Biden, clearly it is okay for Reverend L. Sharpen to say, we ain't black, because that's the theme within the Democratic Party.

00:18:08.000 Because Joe Biden said the same thing.

00:18:10.000 We ain't black if we voted for Donald Trump.

00:18:12.000 Listen, I'm a proud black man.

00:18:16.000 I'm a strong, proud Mandingo black man who came from the grounds of Africa, proud of my heritage, proud of who I come from.

00:18:25.000 I am most definitely a black man.

00:18:27.000 And there's no shame about it whatsoever.

00:18:30.000 But I'm saying to you, Charlie, I'm going to challenge you.

00:18:33.000 Don't silence your voice.

00:18:34.000 Don't shut up.

00:18:35.000 Okay.

00:18:36.000 Jesus was, Jesus was, Jesus was one of the most controversial persons that ever existed on this world.

00:18:44.000 And they crucified him for it.

00:18:46.000 But we know that he rose up again three days later with omnipotent power in his hands.

00:18:51.000 And so I'm telling you, don't silence your voice.

00:18:53.000 Speak, thus saith the Lord.

00:18:54.000 Speak the truth.

00:18:55.000 Let your power and authority come from the word of God.

00:18:58.000 And I don't care who, who, who that angers.

00:19:00.000 The fact of the matter is until we start talking the factual things within the black community and have more and more people to come. 0.99

00:19:06.000 And I'm going to support you.

00:19:08.000 I'm going to continue to say the things that are truthful.

00:19:11.000 The president used that for me, and I'm going to do the same for you.

00:19:14.000 But don't stop speaking the truth.

00:19:16.000 It means a lot.

00:19:17.000 And I want to just summarize on one topic that I really think is important: the border.

00:19:25.000 Is there a lot of chatter in the black community about immigration and the border right now?

00:19:29.000 I don't know if you know of a person by the name of Charlamagne, the God.

00:19:31.000 I don't like Adam the God.

00:19:32.000 I don't need to.

00:19:33.000 I just call him Charlotte.

00:19:33.000 I'm Charlamaine, right?

00:19:34.000 Very popular, namely.

00:19:35.000 Very popular.

00:19:36.000 Yeah, Breakfast Club show, right?

00:19:37.000 And he's one of the main hosts.

00:19:39.000 I'm not considered the main host of the Breakfast Club.

00:19:42.000 But the reality of it is he himself has come out and said, listen, we got to do something with the border.

00:19:46.000 We're not supporting Joe Biden.

00:19:47.000 I mean, this is a problem.

00:19:49.000 A big thought leader in politics, right?

00:19:51.000 And so, for him to say that just says that that's part of the heartbeat of America.

00:19:55.000 This lady that was just that you just showed a clip of, she missing that, right?

00:20:00.000 These people are coming over into our border.

00:20:02.000 They are, they are, it is an active invasion on American sovereignty, and it is affecting the skilled worker positions that traditionally went to a lot of black men, but now they're not because we're losing out on illegals who are getting paid under the table and they're not being taxed on. 0.98

00:20:19.000 Listen, we need to really not only shut down the border, we need to temporarily, we need to make sure that we uh we need to make sure that we send some people down there to to make sure that people aren't getting in into this nation. 1.00

00:20:31.000 That's not a racist thing to do, and so for Charlie Maine to say that that says a lot that's happening within the black community.

00:20:38.000 People want that border shut, and it doesn't matter what color you are.

00:20:41.000 Uh, how can people follow you?

00:20:42.000 Social media, website, all that good stuff, Charlie.

00:20:44.000 People don't follow me on social media.

00:20:46.000 I am blocked.

00:20:47.000 I am massively blocked.

00:20:49.000 I cannot get people to I need everybody from Turning Point.

00:20:52.000 Listen to me right now.

00:20:53.000 Everybody from Turning Point at Pastor Mark Burns.

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00:22:07.000 So, who would ever think that the CIA has active bases in Ukraine?

00:22:14.000 Well, that's right.

00:22:15.000 Joining us now is Colonel Douglas McGregor.

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00:22:29.000 Colonel, welcome back to the program.

00:22:30.000 Hi, good to see you, Charlie.

00:22:32.000 So, unpack this New York Times article.

00:22:35.000 It's not too big of a shock for you, but it seems like there's a drip campaign that the CIA is actively involved on the ground in Ukraine.

00:22:42.000 Well, it's interesting that the Central Intelligence Agency allowed this to be leaked through the New York Times.

00:22:48.000 They do that when they feel it's useful.

00:22:52.000 They played a major role, as you know, in installing the current government in power in 2014 and have been actively involved in Ukraine ever since, essentially instigating war with Russia.

00:23:05.000 So, while you had the massive conventional military buildup on one side, you've had the CIA on the counterintelligence and, frankly, terrorist side trying to create and cultivate trouble inside Russia itself.

00:23:21.000 Hasn't worked very well, but it was interesting to see that these bases were identified from which they could launch their campaigns.

00:23:29.000 And at the same time, one wonders why the CIA would do this.

00:23:33.000 And normally, when they do it, it's out of desperation.

00:23:36.000 And I think that's where we are.

00:23:38.000 The CIA is acutely sensitive to the fact that the Ukrainians have lost the war.

00:23:43.000 The place is falling apart.

00:23:44.000 The government is an empty facade.

00:23:46.000 And enough people on the hill have figured it out that they don't want to waste any more money on the proposition.

00:23:51.000 So you say that the war is effectively over.

00:23:54.000 You know, Zelensky is doing his best to push back against that.

00:23:59.000 Can you just give us some of the data from the ground that reinforces your argument that this war is effectively over?

00:24:07.000 And does that mean you think Russia will take the capital?

00:24:10.000 Well, remember that when the Civil War ended in the United States, there was still skirmishing and fighting that went on in various places for another 14 or 15 months.

00:24:21.000 We normally date the end of the Civil War to Lee's surrender, but in fact, it was still fighting.

00:24:26.000 What you have going on in Ukraine is somewhat similar.

00:24:29.000 Right now, there are 110,000 Russian troops that are headed north and west from Kupyansk.

00:24:36.000 And presumably, they're going to go up and take control of Kharkov.

00:24:40.000 And at the same time, you've got about 90,000 troops that are on their way into Dnipro.

00:24:45.000 Dnipro is a city right on the Dnieper.

00:24:48.000 The bridges are intact, and this would allow them to cross very easily and head south to take Odessa.

00:24:54.000 So I think the handwriting is on the wall.

00:24:57.000 The Ukrainian armed forces have effectively fallen apart.

00:24:59.000 They've now admitted to more than 500,000 dead.

00:25:03.000 A new figure was cited to me earlier this morning of 520,000 dead, probably higher.

00:25:09.000 At least 500,000 wounded.

00:25:12.000 And that means that you probably have a million wounded.

00:25:15.000 And the most recent reports coming out suggest that there's chaos and terror inside Ukraine because the government in Kiev is using the secret police to essentially keep people in line and executing anybody that shows any interest in ending the war.

00:25:30.000 It's a pretty grim situation.

00:25:33.000 It's the end.

00:25:34.000 Ukraine is effectively on its way out.

00:25:38.000 It's gone with a wind, you might say.

00:25:40.000 Yeah, and so it's amazing.

00:25:42.000 Ukraine claims they only have 31,000 dead Ukrainians.

00:25:45.000 And so.

00:25:47.000 Well, the man's standing on a mountain of lies, Charlie.

00:25:50.000 I mean, we've been talking about this for months, over two years.

00:25:53.000 We've never had any truth come out of the place.

00:25:56.000 The CIA and MI6 in London have worked tirelessly to spin out narratives that were fundamentally false in order to sustain the massive influx of cash into the proposition and to make believe that there was something good happening in Ukraine.

00:26:11.000 There never was.

00:26:12.000 This is a catastrophe for the Ukrainian people. 1.00

00:26:14.000 Their nation's being destroyed.

00:26:16.000 This should have stopped months ago, probably should have stopped in March or April of 2022 had we not intervened to clear the deal and ensure that this thing continued.

00:26:28.000 So, you know, what are we supposed to say at this point?

00:26:31.000 The Russians are going to go forward. 0.99

00:26:32.000 They're going to regain the places they said from the very beginning were Russian. 0.62

00:26:36.000 That includes Kharkov. 0.96

00:26:38.000 And Odessa, the real question is the one that you raised.

00:26:41.000 Will they go into Kiev?

00:26:42.000 I don't think they want to, and they certainly don't want to fight in that city because from their standpoint, Kiev is the equivalent of Jerusalem in Orthodox Christianity for Orthodox Christians in Ukraine and in Russia.

00:26:57.000 Well, and once it will happen gradually than suddenly is what I think is where we're heading towards, is that once this starts to thaw, it's going to become a pretty quick mover.

00:27:08.000 I want you to respond to Chuck Schumer, who says that, Speaker Johnson, the fate of all Ukrainian civilization is on Speaker Johnson, PlayCut 61.

00:27:18.000 And so we said to the speaker, get it done.

00:27:23.000 I told him this is one of the moments I said, I've been around here a long time.

00:27:26.000 It's maybe four or five times that history is looking over your shoulder.

00:27:32.000 And if you don't do the right thing, whatever the immediate politics are, you will regret it.

00:27:38.000 I told him two years from now and every year after that, because really it's in his hands.

00:27:44.000 It's in his hands.

00:27:46.000 Colonel McGregor.

00:27:48.000 That statement is absurd.

00:27:51.000 First of all, I see no evidence that Chuck Schumer cares what happens to the Ukrainians at all.

00:27:56.000 Undoubtedly, he's connected to Zelensky as much as he is to Netanyahu.

00:28:01.000 But those people don't give a damn about the Ukrainian nation or the Ukrainian people.

00:28:05.000 The best thing that could happen for Ukraine is for an immediate ceasefire and a territorial settlement that would allow people to dig themselves out. 0.90

00:28:12.000 In the meantime, his friend and co-conspirator Zelensky is selling as much of Ukraine as he possibly can to BlackRock and their subsidiaries.

00:28:22.000 So this is just a huge, a huge lie and a misrepresentation of the facts.

00:28:28.000 So I want you to repeat something you've said on our program before.

00:28:32.000 The one-liner that Mitt Romney and others will use is that Putin is going to march all the way across Europe.

00:28:38.000 Is there any evidence of that?

00:28:40.000 And what is your response to that argument?

00:28:42.000 Well, let's go all the way back to 2022 when the Russians first intervened in eastern Ukraine.

00:28:49.000 They never had more than 90,000 combat troops on the ground.

00:28:52.000 This is certainly the case all the way up through March.

00:28:55.000 When I say combat, I'm talking about direct fire.

00:28:58.000 And the reason was very simple.

00:28:59.000 The Russian military wasn't very large.

00:29:02.000 And then secondly, the goals that Putin had were always very limited.

00:29:05.000 He wanted to ensure that the Russians who lived in eastern Ukraine were going to be treated equally before the law and put an end to the oppression that was directed at them.

00:29:15.000 And at the same time, he wanted to have a neutral Ukraine.

00:29:18.000 He didn't want NATO on its border because he was afraid that we would position missiles that could do enormous damage to his own deterrent inside Russia.

00:29:27.000 That was all true then.

00:29:29.000 I think it's still largely true.

00:29:32.000 And today, the Russian military is poised for an 800,000-man plus-up and a mobilization because he's beginning to look at what's happening in the West and he's deciding I may not have any choice.

00:29:44.000 I may actually have to cross the river and go further west.

00:29:47.000 But as far as the war is concerned, it's the last thing that he wants.

00:29:50.000 He's never wanted it.

00:29:52.000 And I don't think we need it.

00:29:54.000 And that's why I question Schumer and others who seem to have done everything in their power to bring it on with Russia when we are absolutely unprepared for it.

00:30:02.000 We're not prepared to fight in the Middle East.

00:30:03.000 We're not prepared to fight in eastern Ukraine.

00:30:06.000 The head of NATO says that Ukraine will eventually join NATO.

00:30:11.000 I mean, if Ukraine still exists as some sort of a country.

00:30:15.000 I want you to respond, Colonel McGregor, to kind of how we have marched NATO eastward.

00:30:23.000 And some of the warhawks in DC say, oh, we never made that promise.

00:30:26.000 We never said we weren't going to expand NATO.

00:30:28.000 Can you help correct the historical record here?

00:30:32.000 Well, first of all, let's keep in mind that I suppose at some point in alignment with this expectation that men will have children, that some man someday in some universe will give birth.

00:30:44.000 That's about as that's as far as I'll go on this notion of Ukraine joining NATO.

00:30:49.000 NATO will be lucky to survive.

00:30:51.000 In fact, I don't think it will over the long hole.

00:30:53.000 Now, as far as the history is concerned, we can go all the way back to the discussions that were held and the documentation that exists, in which we reassured the Soviets that we would not advance beyond the Oder-Nysa.

00:31:05.000 In other words, the border that Germany has today with Poland.

00:31:09.000 We threw that away very, very quickly because Clinton saw value domestically as well as externally in expanding the alliance.

00:31:17.000 But I think the most important point was made by Ambassador Burns, who is now the director of the CIA.

00:31:23.000 He wrote a memorandum, which you could go on the computer.

00:31:28.000 You can find it, search for it, read it.

00:31:31.000 And it was said, no means no.

00:31:33.000 And he warned very clearly, absolutely unambiguously, that if we insist on pushing the borders of NATO and eventually encompassing Ukraine, which is what was under discussion at the Budapest conference at the time, the NATO conference, then we would end up at war with Russia.

00:31:51.000 He made that very clear.

00:31:52.000 He's the director of the CIA right now inside the administration.

00:31:57.000 So, you know, that was unambiguous at that point.

00:32:01.000 We still pressed ahead until we finally got this 2014 coup staged by the CIA that rid Ukraine of Yanukovych, who we did not like because we saw him as potentially pro-Russian, not marching Ukraine into NATO.

00:32:16.000 And we've always taken the position, Charlie, that we're omnipotent, that Russia is weak.

00:32:22.000 Its economy is fragile.

00:32:23.000 Its people don't support its government.

00:32:26.000 We can remove Putin.

00:32:27.000 Come on, think about those things.

00:32:29.000 That's the nonsense that's being repeated at Nauseam.

00:32:32.000 What do we found out?

00:32:34.000 Russia has an abundance of resources, mineral, agricultural, all of which make Russia a fortress.

00:32:42.000 And on top of that, they have a very large and effective arms industry, a manufacturing base that can turn out equipment faster than we can, and turns out in many cases better technology than we do.

00:32:54.000 Russia isn't going anywhere.

00:32:56.000 That was Putin's point in his interview with Tucker Carlson.

00:33:00.000 You know, we were founded, he said, in 932.

00:33:03.000 We've been here ever since.

00:33:05.000 We're not going away.

00:33:06.000 He's right.

00:33:07.000 If anybody's going to leave the area, it'll be us.

00:33:10.000 We don't live in Europe.

00:33:11.000 This was a capricious, nonsensical attempt by a small minority of people who thought they could bully their way into Ukraine and eventually bring down Russia, strip it, strip Russia of its resources, and leave it a divided ruin.

00:33:26.000 The opposite has occurred.

00:33:27.000 We're in trouble.

00:33:28.000 Our European allies are in serious economic trouble.

00:33:31.000 We're not going to march anybody into Ukraine at this point.

00:33:34.000 No one wants to fight there.

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00:34:41.000 So Colonel, you mentioned, you kind of briefly touched on this.

00:34:44.000 I do think it's interesting that the Democrat Party has just become an overwhelming party of warmongers.

00:34:52.000 How did this happen?

00:34:55.000 It never used to be this unanimous. 0.99

00:34:57.000 There was always Hillary Clinton that was a neocon, but it's just completely taken over the Democrat Party.

00:35:04.000 In your analysis, how did this occur?

00:35:07.000 Washington is donor-occupied territory with very few exceptions in the House and the Senate.

00:35:13.000 I mean, very few exceptions.

00:35:16.000 Donors, wealthy oligarchs, people with billions of dollars at their disposal who want to shape policymaking in the United States have bought the House and the Senate in the White House.

00:35:27.000 Everyone being appointed, everyone serving right now with very few exceptions is what you described.

00:35:32.000 They're part of this uniparty.

00:35:34.000 You know, Victoria Newland was on television over the weekend telling everyone that the $61 billion was great news for the United States because much of that money would go to 40 states where our munitions and military equipment was being manufactured.

00:35:51.000 And wasn't that a great thing?

00:35:53.000 There was no discussion of the possibility that we could end up in a major war anywhere or the damage we were doing to humanity with this sort of business.

00:36:02.000 And I think that's what you've got on the hill.

00:36:04.000 Oh, this is great.

00:36:05.000 We're all going to get rich together.

00:36:06.000 The American people are asleep.

00:36:08.000 As long as they don't become the targets themselves, we can probably get away with anything we want.

00:36:14.000 And so, Colonel, in your analysis, it is more money-driven or profit-driven than even ideological.

00:36:21.000 I think there are some ideological zealots, though, that believe in the continuation of the neoliberal world order.

00:36:27.000 Oh, well, I'm sure that's true, but to a large extent, I think it's an excuse to maintain these bases overseas.

00:36:34.000 And, you know, I was talking to someone earlier and I said, you realize that what we've established all the way around the world and specifically in the Middle East and Europe right now are what I call little Pearl Harbors.

00:36:45.000 All of these forces are exposed in forward positions.

00:36:48.000 We live in a different world today.

00:36:50.000 We can't rapidly reinforce any of them and all of them can be targeted and destroyed.

00:36:54.000 So what we've got are lots of little Pearl Harbors. 0.89

00:36:57.000 Now, that may make some people in Washington happy because they think anything that brings on a broader war will ultimately enrich them.

00:37:04.000 They don't consider the possibility that it could destroy us.

00:37:08.000 And again, all of this comes at the expense of defending our own country, taking care of our own people.

00:37:14.000 And instead, we're trying to figure out how we're going to hand people credit cards or debit cards worth 10,000 bucks that just showed up here who are committing crimes all over our country.

00:37:25.000 It's one of the most bizarre points in human history that I think I've ever encountered.

00:37:30.000 It's morally twisted at the least.

00:37:33.000 And so the Congress is up for continuation of war funding right now for Ukraine.

00:37:40.000 It's probably in some ways going to pass through the House.

00:37:44.000 I mean, the warmongers almost always win.

00:37:47.000 Long term, though, to build a movement where we can actually have the people's voice represented.

00:37:52.000 Colonel, I'm sure you are encouraged.

00:37:54.000 Forget DC that the American people have shifted their opinion on this war so quickly and so dramatically.

00:38:01.000 Oh, I think so.

00:38:02.000 And I think you're absolutely right.

00:38:03.000 Victoria Newland tried to convince everyone that Americans were going to benefit and therefore they were supportive of all this money going to Ukraine.

00:38:10.000 They're not.

00:38:11.000 And they're also beginning to question the massive influx of funds to the Israelis because what the Israelis are doing now has nothing to do with defense.

00:38:20.000 They're waging a very different campaign for expulsion and murder of every Arab that lives in Gaza and potentially will go on to the West Bank.

00:38:29.000 And now they're massing forces to attack Hezbollah.

00:38:32.000 We're on the road to a regional war in the Middle East that we don't want to fight.

00:38:37.000 It's not in our interest.

00:38:38.000 It isn't in the interest of anybody living in the Middle East. 1.00

00:38:41.000 So this is not a problem limited to Ukraine.

00:38:43.000 This is a global problem.

00:38:44.000 There is no strategy, Charlie.

00:38:47.000 There's no strategy that says these things are important to us and these other things are not.

00:38:51.000 There's no sense of proportionality.

00:38:53.000 There's no sense of the limitations of our power, the damage to our currency, the weakness, the underlying weakness of the economy.

00:39:01.000 None of that is figuring prominently.

00:39:03.000 Everything is opportunistic.

00:39:05.000 And the people on the hill are voting opportunistically.

00:39:08.000 They're voting for things they think will enrich them, but they're going to do enormous damage to us.

00:39:13.000 And they are doing damage to us.

00:39:14.000 Colonel, thank you for your time.

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00:39:18.000 Thank you.

00:39:19.000 Sure.

00:39:19.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:39:20.000 And thanks for everything you do.

00:39:21.000 Thank you.

00:39:24.000 Thanks so much for listening.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 27, 2024

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