00:00:10.000We were doing a long show and kind of like a unifying cry, and then I wasn't really in a place to debate, but we got there and it was fine.
00:00:52.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:58.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:22.000You know, the people who are screaming about Ukraine and wanting to jail Putin, there's some irony that we're doing that here in our own country right now.
00:02:33.000And the fact that that irony is totally lost on the machine, you know, our mainstream media, big tech, the social enterprises that we are literally up against.
00:02:47.000And I think, you know, perhaps the only thing that is is good because people will finally see it for what it is.
00:02:53.000The amount of people that I'm seeing reaching out to me that don't follow politics, that are like, hey, I don't care.
00:02:59.000We just need the guy that's going to blow up the system.
00:03:01.000And unfortunately, everyone only knows there's only one guy that's actually going to do that.
00:03:05.000I think we've been led to believe over the last few months that there are others.
00:03:09.000But I think the last two, three weeks has sort of proven that they're just beholden to their donors and same part of the establishment of the two-party system that pretends they're against each other and adversarial.
00:03:22.000But really, when it comes down to it, it's a uni party.
00:03:25.000So, Don, what is your reaction to some of these weak Republican responses, Asa Hutchinson and many others?
00:03:31.000What is your response to the Republican Party that is groveling while we see the destruction of the rule of law, the targeting of a former president, and the turning of a chapter into America and into an America that is not free and is not just?
00:03:46.000Well, listen, we just, we can't elect anyone like this ever again.
00:03:51.000I mean, this is why we are in the position that we're in because they continuously and constantly bend their knee.
00:03:58.000They cave in, you know, whatever it may be, whatever whim of the radical left.
00:04:03.000We see that in the uh in the trains movement these days where they're going, they're victim blaming innocent children gunned down in cold blood by a sociopath.
00:04:13.000And that's not a hate crime, but if you're a concerned parent who goes to a teacher's PTA meeting not wanting your children to be indoctrinated, you're a domestic terrorist, but this instance of the excuses that it never ends.
00:04:27.000I mean, it feels like it's off topic, but it's not because it's so extreme.
00:04:31.000And we have example after example of this where our quote-unquote leadership just bends the knee to the other side because it's an easy existence in Washington, D.C. to be a weak Republican.
00:04:42.000You know, you get invited to the cool person party.
00:04:45.000You can tell your constituency in a small room of five people when you're at home exactly what they want to hear.
00:04:50.000But as long as they know that you're going to bend the knee, that you're going to fold when it actually matters, when the things that actually mean something to us and their constituency, if you're going to fold, hey, you can have an easy existence.
00:05:03.000And whether it's Asa Hutchinson and honestly, some people that we thought were probably reasonably strong until about a week or two ago, I think are being exposed for the weaklings that they actually are.
00:05:15.000You know, bowing to the establishment, bowing to the sort of Bush Republicans and the Karl Roe Republicans, and most importantly, bowing to the money because they need it.
00:05:24.000And that money is not aligned with the real MAGA movement.
00:05:27.000Don, you tweeted, not a single person that visited Epstein Island was indicted over other than G Maxwell, who seems to be serving a 25-year sentence for sex trafficking minors to no one.
00:05:40.000But they'll indict Trump over a campaign finance violation past the statute limitations that even the feds, who spent seven years trying to jail my father, passed on it because it's nonsense.
00:06:24.000Like, I'm not a political candidate, never have been, never even put my toe in the thing, but I've just fought for what I believe in.
00:06:30.000And say Hunter Biden, who's managed to make literally tens of millions of dollars, if not significantly more, a crackhead got a billion dollar investment from the state party of China.
00:06:42.000You know, the Chinese don't, they don't exactly invest with people who are crackheads.
00:06:45.000That's not a part of their business model.
00:06:47.000They may be many things, evil, dictatorial, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, but they're not stupid.
00:06:52.000And yet they can give a billion dollars to the son of the vice president at the time to invest.
00:07:06.000He can be on the payroll for Ukraine and Russian oligarchs.
00:07:09.000And no one asks the question of, hey, do you think some of the decisions that we are making in Ukraine right now to the tune of $130 billion and a proxy war with the world's largest nuclear power by volume of nuclear-capable missiles and warheads,
00:07:27.000do you think our decision-making process is being influenced by the fact that they too probably have a couple of Hunter Biden laptops since it feels like all of our enemies have that and videos of him probably doing a lot worse than what we've already seen?
00:07:40.000No one's even willing to ask that question.
00:07:46.000Our intelligence community will go out of their way to tell you that that's Russian disinformation to get what they want.
00:07:52.000You know, like origins of COVID, like all of these things, you know, six months to two years later, we're proven right and we're doing a great job dunking on them on the internet, but it doesn't matter.
00:08:30.000Perhaps that's why I've sort of created a name for myself within this basis because people are like, hey, at least I'll fight.
00:08:36.000We don't have anyone willing to fight.
00:08:38.000The few other fighters that I think we thought were fighters, they flipped up on Ukraine in the last two weeks.
00:08:42.000They say something mimicking Trump, and then all of a sudden the donors and Karl Rove get to them.
00:08:47.000Oh, we got to change our mind on that one.
00:08:49.000Apparently, we found out last week Ron DeSantis doesn't believe that the weaponization of our government against their political rivals isn't a big deal, that it was just made up.
00:09:52.000Don't forget, you know, the primary may be over in the minds of MAGA, but all the consultants that are going to make millions of dollars doing the ad buys and the commercial spend and the consulting.
00:10:03.000And, you know, they're skimming 20% off this donation, 20%.
00:10:06.000They're going to make sure that there's a primary because that's how they get rich.
00:10:10.000They're giving other people that may have a shot in time when it's their turn.
00:10:14.000They're giving them really bad advice because there's so much money to be made.
00:10:17.000So it's not that over, but you have to watch what's going on.
00:10:22.000My father came in as an outsider, tried figuring out the game, had incredible accomplishments despite the uni party going after him.
00:10:29.000I mean, we had Republicans that refused to do the things that they were elected to do by their voters because that wasn't what the swamp wanted.
00:10:39.000We saw that he was able to deliver results, and that was with no experience.
00:10:47.000And by the way, I think there's actually an advantage to being a lame duck.
00:10:50.000You don't have to worry about getting re-elected.
00:10:53.000You go in there and you have four years to right the wrongs.
00:10:57.000You have four years to go after the insanity.
00:11:00.000You have four years where you can do that and not care about anything other than what's right for the future of our country and for America.
00:11:08.000And I think, man, it's actually almost more of a positive than if you were coming in with eight years where you got to play the DC game and you're doing this.
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00:13:35.000And I hope all the people on the view, I just hope they remember this day.
00:13:39.000Because I don't know if they'll be applauding when all their favorite Democrats, not all of them, but some of them, one here and one there, start getting perp walked.
00:14:07.000Or how about all the different types of activity that's occurring with Antifa?
00:14:13.000So just, you guys are happy now, but be very careful what you're delighting in because this movement is just waking up.
00:14:20.000And by the way, we are not going to support any political leaders if they don't say, I am going to actually use political power to investigate and find the crimes of the American Democrat crime family.
00:16:26.000People are asking the audience, what do we do?
00:16:29.000You have to have a whole new political posture.
00:16:32.000First and foremost, you have to help the people that are under attack, including President Trump.
00:16:37.000Secondly, you have to have a change of attitude.
00:16:38.000And for those of you in red states with DAs, sheriffs, or attorney generals that aren't doing this, by the way, none of them are doing this.
00:16:44.000Yeah, Jeff Landry has some sort of lawsuit into BLM or something.
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00:19:27.000I think this is a good thing in the sense that I think Trump will be more useful for the country as a martyr than as a nominee.
00:19:35.000And I think this is hopefully making a lot of conservatives realize who they're up against, that the Democratic Party and the Democratic Party establishment aren't playing games.
00:20:04.000But the thing that Charlie, you and I are going to agree on, he's also going to be running against the Republican Party establishment.
00:20:09.000And you don't know what machinations are going to happen on the back end to make sure he's not on the ballot, to make sure you're not able to vote for him.
00:20:15.000Organizations now will be able to say with a straight face that I can't accept political ads from someone who's been indicted.
00:20:21.000So, these people play dirty, as you know.
00:20:24.000So, even if he has the support of literally 100% of members of the party, that does not at all mean that their will will be able to be implemented in reality.
00:20:56.000My point is: if you look at the inverse, what the Democratic Party did, how they dragged Joe Biden's carcass across the finish line in the nomination process, even though he had no support and was in fourth or fifth or something in Iowa, was it like sixth in New Hampshire?
00:21:10.000If you look at who the Speaker of the House is, if you look at who's running the Senate, I think the party establishment is a lot stronger.
00:21:39.000First of all, if Trump became president again, I think it would be very easy for Mitch McConnell to get a number of votes to get him out of office and in a third impeachment if that's what they want.
00:22:27.000In my opinion, the Republican Party is very much hesitant in many ways to have Trump as the nominee because he holds their feet to the fire.
00:22:37.000They have a very good game in Washington where they play their role as the Washington Generals, the Democratic Party, the Harlem Globetrotters.
00:22:44.000Trump comes in, he upsets that apple cart, and this upsets a lot of people.
00:22:48.000And those people will do whatever they can, not necessarily they're going to be successful, to make sure that there will be consequences for Trump and the MAGA movement.
00:22:56.000And I don't see how you can argue against that.
00:22:58.000Okay, but you got to use specifics, right?
00:23:34.000Yeah, the Republican establishment could raise hundreds of millions of dollars, but what power do they have except running TV ads and maybe putting up Mike Pence?
00:23:41.000They may dislike Trump, but Trump controls the entire ecosystem of the conservative movement, and this only makes him more powerful.
00:23:50.000I don't think that this is something to be taken lightly, an indictment.
00:23:56.000I think that they're playing dirty politics, as I'm sure you agree.
00:23:59.000And I think whenever you have charges against you as a citizen in this country, as Kyle Rittenhouse discovered, it's not something that's just going to be a cakewalk for you, regardless of your innocence or guilt.
00:24:14.000But anyway, so I think he's going to be the nominee.
00:24:18.000So why else do you think it's good for the country?
00:24:21.000Well, I think it's good for the country and specifically for conservatives, because there's this enormous asymmetry between how Republicans play politics and how Democrats play politics.
00:24:30.000The first thing George W. Bush did when he became president was to make sure that there are no criminal proceedings going on ahead against former President Clinton because he thought it would be a bad lick for the country.
00:24:40.000Meanwhile, when Trump's in president, he's commuting the service, the sentences of Rod Bogoevich, who was a Democratic governor, Kwame Kilpatrick, who's a Democratic mayor.
00:24:48.000And he's promising if he was become president that Hillary Clinton would be in jail if he ran the legal system.
00:24:57.000Point being, would you rather be the people who are laughing or would you rather be the people who are doing the arresting?
00:25:03.000I think it's very clear which of those organizations is the one who is more ruthless and more interested in seeing their goals implemented.
00:25:12.000So then if you were to give advice to conservatives or Trump supporters, how would you handle this then?
00:25:18.000Let's take your hypothesis, let's say the machine's going to do everything they can, which I think is right.
00:25:25.000How do you then fight it or how do you expose it effectively?
00:25:28.000I think the best mechanism that activists and conservative people have is social media, because that is something where there's to some extent decentralized control.
00:25:40.000Yes, they have their finger on the scale to a degree, but this is a good mechanism for getting stories out.
00:25:46.000We've seen this over the last several years where certain news stories were presented in a certain way by corporate media, and then immediately the issue was blown up live in real time in a place like Twitter and Facebook.
00:25:57.000An easy example is when you had all these reporters wearing masks to report on COVID, but the cameraman wasn't wearing a mask.
00:26:05.000And as soon as their story was over, they took the mask off.
00:26:08.000Everyone with the cell phone could just show it and put it up on social media and right away it was exposed as propaganda.
00:26:13.000So to have people, if I was advising conservatives, I would be like, keep an eye on what these different states are doing, what these unelected bureaucrats and government and party officials are doing, and make sure to be able to hold them accountable to some extent, because they're going to be covering their own butts as much as possible.
00:26:31.000So one of your opinions is that you think that Trump didn't go far enough in his first term.
00:26:38.000And how could that be different if he's able to navigate all of this?
00:26:41.000And I do want to make sure, Michael, my position is clear.
00:26:44.000I agree that the cockroaches are going to try to prevent Trump.
00:26:47.000I just actually think the Republican Party and the establishment is nowhere near as Machiavellian, sophisticated as the Democrat Party, like the actual party infrastructure.
00:27:45.000I don't know what those consequences need to be, but it certainly has to be repercussions in order to make sure that something like this doesn't happen again, no matter what the situation in the moment might happen to be.
00:27:55.000Yeah, and it's an interesting situation because if he's able to govern again, I think he would have a mandate to actually purge a lot of these elements more than before.
00:28:05.000And so, Michael, you have a lot of different opinions that you come on the show.
00:28:09.000How do you think the Democrats generally are feeling about this?
00:28:16.000I think the symbolism of a president former, you know, this was their big kahuna for years.
00:28:21.000I think they're going to be beside themselves and rubbing in people's faces.
00:28:26.000And this is going to alienate a lot of people who are moderates who just find this all distasteful.
00:28:31.000But this is, they're going to, they can't help themselves, but take their victory lap because this is something that maybe they've been promising their people for years.
00:28:39.000Yeah, I mean, do you think, I mean, the question is, is there a backfire?
00:28:44.000Do you see that in the cards, a potential backfire?
00:28:47.000I think the issue is like the big swing voter is Karen, you know, suburban white women.
00:28:53.000And when they see just on the headlines, because they're not going to be particularly informed or reading the articles, you know, President Trump indicted, for many of them, that in and of itself is going to be enough to wash their hands of him.
00:29:04.000So I think this is something that can't be taken lightly, not just in terms of the legal consequences, but in terms of the political consequences.
00:29:12.000At the same time, I think it will help him a lot with his base, who will be like, all right, like there's no line that his opponents will be willing not to cross, and we have to react accordingly.
00:29:27.000I think it's going to reflect it in some of the short-term polls is people see this indictment as an indictment of them, as a personal attack on them.
00:29:35.000And your argument is more, and on the primary side about the machinery of it, but I think, look, I think Trump term two could be bold and could be courageous.
00:30:04.000This is from February 2nd, and this is my concern.
00:30:07.000He was on Hugh Hewitt's show, and Hewitt said, if you're back on the oval, we'll use the powers of the presidency to punish people who punished you.
00:30:14.000And Trump says, no, I wouldn't do that because I want to bring our country forward.
00:30:52.000And so, so, Michael, you're one of the things that you talk about is overreach of government, you know, how rights are taken away from government.
00:31:01.000Is it an overreaction or a mistake, in your opinion, if conservatives say, hey, the only way we're going to stop this is through some deterrence, that other AGs and DAs start indicting Democrats?
00:31:13.000That's not, I don't find delight in that strategy, but is it necessary?
00:31:40.000The only consequence they had was that they blew the midterms and they lost what would have been in control of the Senate.
00:31:45.000Point being, if I do something and as a result of this, it helps me politically and there's no cost, why wouldn't I do it again?
00:31:52.000And so you need to, I totally agree with that.
00:31:55.000And there needs to be a check and balance.
00:31:56.000What do you have to say to the people that might be in the more classical, liberal, libertarian where they say we can't get into a legal tit for tat.
00:32:04.000I'm sure you hear that argument, right, Michael, that it makes us no better than them.
00:32:15.000These people would kill your kids if they had the opportunity and they'd brag about it on Facebook.
00:32:21.000We saw during COVID, there were just open calls for people who wouldn't get vaccinated to be driven out of polite society and in many places incarcerated in camps.
00:32:30.000So it's absolutely crazy to think that you just shrug your shoulders and be like, well, you know, this is just Trump.
00:32:39.000Yeah, but Michael, it's interesting because I think the heart that you and I have is to not ever misuse government authority or power and to live, but that's not the country we're living in, is what I'm trying to, I mean, continue.
00:32:59.000I understand, but I'm not an anarchist.
00:33:00.000So I'm trying to find some harmony in our worldview where we don't find this to be a joyous moment to say that we need to use political power to at least even the playing field.
00:33:09.000But in order to at least live in some semblance of a free society, it needs to happen.
00:33:21.000So if you want to play fair, you can play fair against people who aren't.
00:33:25.000It's like if I'm playing with you, Monopoly, and you're the bank and you're just funneling yourself money every so often.
00:33:29.000I'm not going to win maybe one time out of 10 just due to luck.
00:33:32.000So if even playing field has gone out the window, at least since FDR, where the, I forget who was in the brain trust who said, we will tax and tax and tax and spend and spend and spend and elect and elect and elect.
00:33:45.000So that has been the operating assumption for politicians for over a century.
00:33:50.000And that is just exactly how people need to realize how Washington works and politics works in general.
00:34:01.000Well, that's a central aspect of conservatism versus progressivism.
00:34:04.000Progressive has this idea that like, you know, people are generally nice and kind, and sometimes they make mistakes.
00:34:10.000Whereas conservatives at their best understand, look, if you provide incentives for people to do things, sometimes they're going to do them.
00:34:16.000If you don't criminalize shoplifting, some people who otherwise wouldn't have shoplifted be like, look, I got no cost.
00:34:22.000If I take this, I'm going to get a free TV.
00:34:26.000So it's logical, but a large part of our corporate media and special entertainment is designed to negate this idea that human beings respond to incentives and sometimes they do awful things simply because they can and there's no cost to them and if there fails if there if there remains no cost they're only going to continue to do it and you said these are these are the people that would go after your children and put it on facebook what do you mean by that one minute remaining well simply if you You just look at Libs of TikTok and all sorts of things where many organizations,
00:34:55.000Randy Weigarten, regards everyone's children as her own to raise.
00:34:59.000And there's all these organizations who are just saying explicitly that parents don't know what they're doing and defer to the state or to unions or whoever the teacher is at the moment.
00:35:08.000That is exactly what, and then they will brag about it, not just on Facebook, but on TikTok and on Twitter and every other form of social media.
00:35:52.000And yes, they are corrupt from a senatorial procedure, but from an actual nominating procedure, Trump has the people, and the people still run the Republican Party in a process of who becomes the nominee, despite how many games they're going to play.
00:36:05.000But you should be vigilant and you should watch out.
00:36:07.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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