The Charlie Kirk Show - August 22, 2023


Donald Trump's Mug Shot Boost? with Rich Baris and Rep. Anna Paulina Luna


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In this episode, Congresswoman Ana Paulina Luna joins us for the latest on the Weiss investigation, what are they plan in 2024, as COVID makes a comeback, and Rich Barris goes to the primary polling.

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00:00:01.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:02.000 Congresswoman Ana Paulina Luna joins us for the latest on the Weiss investigation.
00:00:07.000 What are they planning in 2024 as COVID makes a comeback?
00:00:11.000 And Rich Barris goes to the primary polling.
00:00:13.000 Glenn Youngkin, Ron DeSantis, Gavin Newsom, Donald Trump.
00:00:16.000 We have all the information here.
00:00:18.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com, and get involved with Turning Point USA at tpusa.com.
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00:00:34.000 Email me as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:36.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:37.000 Here we go.
00:00:38.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:40.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:42.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
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00:01:21.000 Okay, we have Ana Paulina who does a wonderful job in the House of Representatives.
00:01:27.000 I have been told by several sources in Washington, D.C., this Weiss issue has really changed the dynamic, even amongst normie Republican circles.
00:01:37.000 This Weiss fiasco is viewed on the left as a major liability and problem.
00:01:42.000 Play cut 18.
00:01:43.000 That I am told, this is hearsay, but I am told by a reliable source that Friday evening somebody from Washington called the district attorney in Atlanta and said, You have to indict on Monday.
00:01:55.000 We have to cover up all of the mistakes we just made with Weiss.
00:02:00.000 And she said, Apparently, my jurors aren't coming back till Tuesday.
00:02:04.000 And they said, You didn't hear me.
00:02:05.000 You have to indict on Monday.
00:02:08.000 And she said, Well, they're not going to get here before noon.
00:02:10.000 They said, It doesn't matter.
00:02:12.000 She said, This means it's going to be 8 or 9 or 10 o'clock at night.
00:02:15.000 They said, It doesn't matter.
00:02:17.000 We need the news media.
00:02:19.000 Who made that phone call?
00:02:21.000 We don't know.
00:02:22.000 And I'm telling you out front, this is hearsay, but it's from a person who has remarkably good success.
00:02:27.000 I totally believe it, though, because that would explain why they leaked and they messed up on the clerk document, why she was exhausted, and why they had the 11 p.m. press conference, Mr. Speaker.
00:02:38.000 All right.
00:02:38.000 So give us the latest on Weiss.
00:02:39.000 It's a little bit hard to track all of This and by the way, you're about to have a baby, so thank you for congratulations, best thing in the world.
00:02:46.000 Uh, so for making time for us here, so and you're really making waves on oversight.
00:02:53.000 So, give us the latest what's going on with Weiss.
00:02:56.000 Give us the update.
00:02:57.000 We know Weiss is corrupt, he basically has been working to give Hunter Biden's sweet sweetheart plea deals.
00:03:02.000 And in addition to that, many of my colleagues, to include other members, okay, this is these are private conversations that might not necessarily fully back Trump for 2024, have agreed that what is happening out of the DOJ and the DOG.
00:03:16.000 DOD is completely just not okay.
00:03:19.000 So there's going to be a massive appropriations fight.
00:03:21.000 And frankly, if people think that we are going to go, you know, to push a CR and move forward with accepting this budget that's going to be funding this stuff, they have something else coming.
00:03:32.000 So that's why you saw that statement come out from the Freedom Caucus earlier today.
00:03:35.000 And you are going to see, I think, on the back end, a fight, especially to defund everything that he's doing.
00:03:41.000 So is there going to be a willingness on your, say, more moderate Republican colleagues to go along with that, you think?
00:03:47.000 I think at this point, you know, a lot of what I hear on the back end is they're worried about taking those hard votes.
00:03:53.000 But with what we're seeing with the American people, right?
00:03:57.000 You're just your average Republican voter.
00:04:01.000 And even independents and Democrats, they don't have faith in the justice system.
00:04:05.000 So I don't think that it's going to be hard for them to decide, especially being that, look, we have at least 20 members in the Freedom Caucus that will not be going along with this.
00:04:15.000 And ultimately, at the end of the day, you know, people say, oh, well, you know, government shut down this, that, and the other.
00:04:20.000 Look, we have a lot, a lot of problems right now in Washington, and we can't just continue down this path of doing the same thing over and over again.
00:04:27.000 So I hope that they make the right decision.
00:04:29.000 But if they think that we're just going to be, Rolling over, and they're going to get a CR.
00:04:33.000 They have something else coming.
00:04:34.000 I mean, do you think that there is a willingness to shut down the government?
00:04:37.000 By the way, it's not even a government shutdown, just so we're clear, right?
00:04:40.000 It's non essential workers who should not be employed as it is because they're non essential who go home. 0.95
00:04:46.000 We should not fund this garbage on a. 0.88
00:04:49.000 And I think this is the line. 0.99
00:04:50.000 I mean, Democrats, they're cool with it.
00:04:52.000 They love the malification of America.
00:04:55.000 But this is the line. 0.80
00:04:57.000 We're talking about depriving the funding of this Stalinization of America.
00:05:02.000 I can't imagine that. 0.72
00:05:04.000 Well, I can't imagine.
00:05:05.000 It's just the arguments there.
00:05:06.000 I don't want a tough vote.
00:05:08.000 Why do you have majorities if you're not willing to make tough votes?
00:05:13.000 Correct, correct.
00:05:14.000 And I think that that appetite and that willingness is there.
00:05:16.000 And let me tell you, Charlie, I mean, you saw how effective 20 people can be when you really lock arms together and you have the support of the American people, and we're going to do it.
00:05:25.000 There's no way that we'll continue down this path forward.
00:05:28.000 And again, going back to exactly what you said, a lot of people, when the government shut down, they're not even going to know the difference.
00:05:33.000 You're still going to get your social security payments.
00:05:35.000 You're still going to get.
00:05:36.000 Other things that you typically would get.
00:05:38.000 But again, non essential workers.
00:05:40.000 I mean, the fact is that Congress should be discussing these things.
00:05:44.000 And if we continue doing this over and over again, it's just a cycle of insanity.
00:05:49.000 People want results.
00:05:50.000 Ultimately, in my opinion, this last budget that went through was a total disaster.
00:05:54.000 And so we have to do what we can to claw back what is left.
00:05:58.000 Otherwise, again, you will see this continuous weaponization of the federal government.
00:06:03.000 And we should be doing our jobs.
00:06:04.000 We have the power of the person.
00:06:05.000 We need to use it.
00:06:06.000 I totally agree.
00:06:08.000 And the dynamics of kind of just the Republican weakness in DC is so frustrating in so many different ways.
00:06:17.000 So we see here the Weiss issue.
00:06:20.000 From the oversight, though, are we going to see hearings where we can actually hear in the own words what the Department of Justice is doing here?
00:06:28.000 I have a personal theory that Merrick Garland is far more craven than I think people realize.
00:06:35.000 I think that Merrick Garland is the actual directed energy weapon.
00:06:40.000 Of the Marxist left.
00:06:41.000 I think we should be most worried about Merrick Garland.
00:06:44.000 Is there any chance of impeaching him or Joe Biden?
00:06:47.000 I would actually prefer an impeachment of Merrick Garland.
00:06:51.000 You know, based on what I'm seeing and just being 100% transparent, I think that even when we do call up the impeachment inquiry for Biden, it's not going to pass in the Senate.
00:07:02.000 However, I don't think that we'll be able to see all of the facts and conduct a serious investigation until we start that impeachment inquiry.
00:07:09.000 So I'm hoping that.
00:07:11.000 This fall, one of the members that has filed that privilege motion will call it up.
00:07:15.000 But in regards to Merrick Garland, I mean, I could not agree with you more.
00:07:19.000 I just, I am at the point now where I think we're all looking to see okay, who's going to be the first one to essentially pull that, right?
00:07:29.000 I don't want to say pull the trigger because I'm not advocating for violence, but figure of speech.
00:07:33.000 We are at a point where I have seen the evidence, I have talked to many of obviously people coming in to testify.
00:07:41.000 And when you are seeing the president of the United States, basically within 24 hours of anything damning coming out about him, about Joe Biden, you see another indictment against Trump.
00:07:52.000 And then we find out that Biden is using essentially fake names to talk to Hunter Biden's business associates.
00:07:59.000 I mean, there's no way that this is not a compromised position and that there's not public corruption here.
00:08:04.000 But again, I am so sick and tired, Charlie, of hearing even some of our GOP senators saying that they don't want to get involved in a tit for tat retribution politics.
00:08:16.000 And that's what they're looking at this appeasement ad.
00:08:19.000 That's weak.
00:08:19.000 Congressman Paulina, you're doing a wonderful job.
00:08:22.000 Best of luck and prayers in the coming days and weeks.
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00:09:32.000 They are not going to allow 2024 to be a simple, serene, and normal election. 0.99
00:09:40.000 We've gone through this ridiculous piece of trash from the Atlantic. 0.98
00:09:44.000 The Constitution prohibits Trump from ever being president again. 0.98
00:09:47.000 In fact, we triggered the degenerate heathens at Media Matters so terribly that before our show's even over, there I have a write up.
00:09:55.000 Charlie Kirk says the 14th Amendment is written too broadly and sloppily.
00:10:00.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:10:00.000 It is.
00:10:02.000 Also, make sure you include that I am a fan of what the 14th Amendment accomplished.
00:10:06.000 But when you have the 14th Amendment that is used for everything from reparations to debt relief to preventing Trump from being the president, yeah, that's probably too broadly of an amendment.
00:10:17.000 We must understand that there is going to be desperate measures, desperate measures to try and control people, manipulate the election.
00:10:26.000 What are they?
00:10:28.000 Why make 2024 any different if it worked in 2020?
00:10:33.000 Play Cut Five.
00:10:34.000 COVID is making a comeback this summer, so many of us would like to leave it in the past, but cases are once again on the rise.
00:10:41.000 So, when will new booster shots roll out?
00:10:44.000 What's behind this uptick in COVID that we're seeing?
00:10:47.000 The main driver of this is a variant that's relatively newer to the scene, EG5.
00:10:52.000 It's easier to give and get, so that makes it kind of easier to pass along.
00:10:57.000 The new COVID booster is expected to be approved by the FDA, and then we will make recommendations from the CDC probably by the second or third week of September.
00:11:05.000 Will it protect Against this new strain?
00:11:07.000 Yes, the booster is tailored to what we are seeing circulating now.
00:11:12.000 We likely will see this as an annual COVID shot, just like the flu shot.
00:11:19.000 I'm just dying.
00:11:21.000 Yes, it will work.
00:11:22.000 But what about the 11 other booster shots?
00:11:26.000 Forget about those.
00:11:27.000 This one will work.
00:11:28.000 I got to give the masters of the universe credit.
00:11:31.000 EG5.
00:11:32.000 That just sounds scary.
00:11:34.000 EG5.
00:11:37.000 They had to have poll tested it.
00:11:39.000 Two letters and a number.
00:11:40.000 It sounds kind of bionic, futuristic.
00:11:44.000 EG5.
00:11:47.000 Remember, they tried the.
00:11:48.000 What were the other strains they tried?
00:11:50.000 The Delta variant.
00:11:51.000 That one didn't sound as scary.
00:11:53.000 Sounded like an airline.
00:11:54.000 You're like, whatever.
00:11:55.000 EG5?
00:11:56.000 Ooh.
00:11:59.000 Why try something different if it worked last time?
00:12:03.000 I was shocked, and I mean shocked, when I visited Seattle recently.
00:12:09.000 And I went to a restaurant after tons of speaking events in Washington.
00:12:14.000 We had thousands of people show up.
00:12:15.000 It was amazing.
00:12:17.000 There's a lot of fight left in the state of Washington, I'll tell you what.
00:12:19.000 And I go to dinner, and I kid you, not half, a majority, Of the restaurant waiters and waitresses were wearing masks.
00:12:29.000 And not like those silly little, I'm talking about like medical grade masks. 0.62
00:12:32.000 This was last weekend. 0.85
00:12:34.000 I saw customers with masks.
00:12:35.000 I was like, what drives this?
00:12:40.000 At that point, it's just a mind virus social contagion.
00:12:44.000 I think it's a fear of death because people are afraid to actually live.
00:12:47.000 It's a death cult.
00:12:48.000 That is what is behind the climate change stuff.
00:12:51.000 The world's going to end, rising global temperatures.
00:12:54.000 We're going to get engulfed by the rivers and the seas.
00:12:59.000 But why wouldn't they try to bring back COVID?
00:13:01.000 It's trying to make a comeback.
00:13:04.000 And when is anyone ever going to be called out, like, hey, you said the vaccines were safe and effective.
00:13:08.000 Why do people that get the vaccines need to keep on getting the vaccines?
00:13:13.000 Oh, the virus keeps on changing.
00:13:15.000 But maybe it's not COVID.
00:13:17.000 We need a war game type conversation.
00:13:21.000 And we are ill prepared.
00:13:23.000 Why?
00:13:23.000 Because the RNC can't even get Donald Trump to show up to debate.
00:13:25.000 It's a joke.
00:13:27.000 Honestly, Donald Trump's doing the right thing, but he said he's doing none of the debates, plural.
00:13:33.000 We need to list out war games of the things they can deploy to try and change the 2024 election.
00:13:41.000 What are they?
00:13:42.000 Let's figure it out.
00:13:44.000 What crisis or crises are they going to try and deploy on us?
00:13:51.000 And we need to mention them publicly and try and preempt them.
00:13:56.000 We are living through the lawfare active measure.
00:14:00.000 They went from COVID to race using mail in ballots back to COVID. 0.69
00:14:07.000 Little bit of Ukraine, and now we are in the lawfare chapter. 0.78
00:14:11.000 That's what we're in now.
00:14:13.000 Lock up your political dissidents, throw the keys away, handcuff them in perpetuity.
00:14:19.000 But what comes after lawfare?
00:14:22.000 Have we thought that through?
00:14:23.000 Have we gamed it out?
00:14:25.000 Do we have anybody on the American right that have spent time with a whiteboard trying to figure it out?
00:14:29.000 No.
00:14:31.000 So I want you to think about that, and maybe the combined wisdom of our audience can come to an answer.
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00:15:45.000 Rich Barris is with us, big data poll and people's pundit.
00:15:48.000 Rich Barris, is it fair to say, is it true that Donald Trump is stronger today than he was in 2020?
00:15:56.000 Yes.
00:15:57.000 And it's also fair to say that he was stronger now than he was in 2016 when he won.
00:16:03.000 You know, we get this new poll coming out, Charlie, and I've been trying to beat this like a dead horse.
00:16:07.000 And as always, thanks for having me on.
00:16:09.000 It's just not 2020.
00:16:10.000 It's not 2016. 1.00
00:16:12.000 They're just totally different races.
00:16:14.000 And he's doing so much better with egroups, which we can get into.
00:16:18.000 Than he was in either 16 or 20.
00:16:22.000 And I mean, you know, I'm not a lawyer, but as a pollster, I look at this and it's just very clear why they're trying to do what they're doing to him.
00:16:29.000 What is it?
00:16:30.000 Make it clear for our audience.
00:16:31.000 Yeah, they can't beat him.
00:16:33.000 You know, I mean, Charlie, when we look back at 2020, and I know a lot of people, especially Trump supporters, you know, think that he won 2020.
00:16:41.000 And that's fine.
00:16:42.000 And you know how I feel about that personally as well.
00:16:44.000 But the truth is, he still could have done better with certain groups that would have made it even more difficult.
00:16:50.000 For them to pull something like that off, there are, you know, look at new voters, for instance.
00:16:56.000 Biden won that by 30 points in 2020.
00:16:59.000 And in September of 2021, that turned to a Trump plus two.
00:17:04.000 Now, in this poll, it's going to be roughly Trump plus eight. 0.88
00:17:07.000 Massive shifts, new generation Xers and millennials that are men working that are coming into the fold, non whites that are coming into the fold. 0.86
00:17:17.000 It's a total, and underclass voters. 0.98
00:17:20.000 It's a total disaster for the Democrats, a total disaster. 0.89
00:17:24.000 And we do poll other candidates.
00:17:27.000 And I got to make this clear this is only Donald Trump. 0.97
00:17:30.000 So if you are a crook DA or a crook prosecutor for the Justice Department, you're looking at this and you're trying to survive, Charlie.
00:17:42.000 You don't want him to come back in, now a target of their prosecutorial misconduct and whatever else it is, and have him clean house.
00:17:51.000 So if you're the Biden administration and you're hiding bribes, you're going to try to clean house.
00:17:56.000 You're going to try to make sure he cannot get on that ballot.
00:17:59.000 You're going to try to make sure he doesn't have the money to campaign.
00:18:02.000 He's going to be prosecuted.
00:18:03.000 He's hurt by political prosecutions.
00:18:06.000 And right now, that's just not happening.
00:18:08.000 I'm chuckling on Sunday looking at these interviews.
00:18:11.000 Nothing damages him.
00:18:13.000 Nothing.
00:18:14.000 So let's be clear.
00:18:16.000 Donald Trump is facing 600 years in federal prison under four separate indictments two federal, two state.
00:18:22.000 And he is more popular than before the indictments.
00:18:25.000 Is that correct?
00:18:26.000 Yeah, that's correct to say.
00:18:28.000 I mean, favorability is one thing we always really, it looks, there are people who always never liked Donald Trump, but would vote for him and flirt with voting for him.
00:18:38.000 And to us, you know, that group is what matters.
00:18:41.000 They're going to dislike both him and Biden, but they trust him to do a good job, or they see what's going on and they think it's just wrong, Charlie, just wrong.
00:18:51.000 We don't do this to people in this country.
00:18:53.000 We don't beat people in the Jura box, we beat them in the ballot box. 0.53
00:18:57.000 So he has the strength with this group right now, even more so than he had with Hillary Clinton. 0.56
00:19:03.000 I mean, when we had him leading against Hillary Clinton, it was a half a point, a point nationally, a few points maybe.
00:19:11.000 You know, he routinely posts four or five point leads.
00:19:14.000 You know, so he's leading anywhere between two and eight in our polling over the last 12 months.
00:19:18.000 It's huge.
00:19:19.000 If you were to kind of war game, how do you bring Donald Trump's favorability down?
00:19:24.000 He's near his basement as it is.
00:19:26.000 I mean, he's usually as trials progress. 0.80
00:19:30.000 The prosecution looks worse and worse, especially with Big Fannie Willis, you know, who has just thrown everything at it.
00:19:36.000 So Donald Trump can only look better because there is kind of this built in expectation that he's probably going to get convicted in some of these DC, whether it's totally unfair, but DC circuit.
00:19:47.000 What I'm getting at is that if we move towards the election, he has almost nowhere to go but up, and he's already at a pretty good starting point.
00:19:55.000 I mean, Rich, the conventional wisdom would have been again, I don't put too much stock in polls, honestly, because I think elections are more about the technical stuff.
00:20:03.000 But if it's a 10 point gap, that tells you something.
00:20:05.000 But if I think the conventional wisdom in the regime was that the indictments would so tar and feather him with independents and people in the middle that this race would be over before it starts.
00:20:16.000 Yeah, actually, right now, I just looked at it before.
00:20:19.000 Before I came on the show.
00:20:20.000 Right now, he's actually leading with independents, and every other Republican is down by like two or three among independents.
00:20:27.000 So, you know what I think this comes to?
00:20:29.000 And you just said something.
00:20:30.000 I'm a pollster.
00:20:31.000 Of course, I love polls, but they have sampling errors, and I don't think they're reported to the public correctly, right?
00:20:36.000 They're not, it's not gospel.
00:20:38.000 We use them as a guide.
00:20:40.000 And I do think the fundamentals are much more important.
00:20:42.000 Fundamentally, Charlie, people, Americans, love an underdog.
00:20:47.000 And as you just said, we're going to get on with these trials.
00:20:49.000 There are going to be cameras in the courtrooms.
00:20:51.000 Well, not in the federal.
00:20:52.000 In the federal, we're not sure. 0.67
00:20:54.000 Yeah, with Fannie Willis, there will be.
00:20:57.000 You know, it's just going to look like the guy is being persecuted.
00:21:02.000 And Americans don't like that.
00:21:03.000 You know, a lot of people don't know this.
00:21:05.000 Martin Luther King was extremely unpopular until they threw him in prison and started beating him.
00:21:11.000 I've never heard of it.
00:21:12.000 So he was unpopular until the Birmingham jail.
00:21:15.000 Is that right?
00:21:16.000 That's grossly unpopular.
00:21:18.000 And it all turned with Birmingham and then, of course, later Selma, right?
00:21:23.000 Right.
00:21:24.000 The beatings really did it.
00:21:26.000 The most popular photo of him back then was the mugshot, Charlie.
00:21:30.000 Yeah, Gallup, I actually had to do a research back on this back in college.
00:21:34.000 Gallup didn't ask favorability the way that they do it now.
00:21:36.000 They used a numbering system, but there is a way to translate that into unfavorables.
00:21:42.000 He was 25, 30 points routinely unfavorable.
00:21:47.000 And that was, you know, by the time the 60s rolled around.
00:21:51.000 So, yeah, I mean, it's interesting.
00:21:53.000 I think we look back and we think somebody like that, you know, was always popular.
00:21:57.000 It's not the truth.
00:21:58.000 Americans don't like watching someone being beat down by the man.
00:22:03.000 They don't like it.
00:22:05.000 And that's a big part of this, especially if the economy, imagine the economy taking a dive and then we're watching the production of the persecution of Donald Trump.
00:22:14.000 I think a lot of Democrats are underestimating this man's ability to win.
00:22:18.000 Let me also just get into something.
00:22:20.000 Do you think that part of it is Donald Trump is a better oppositional candidate than institutional candidate?
00:22:26.000 He's better at criticizing and challenging an incumbent than he is being an incumbent.
00:22:32.000 Yeah, I vehemently disagreed with how he ran the 2020 campaign.
00:22:36.000 I did.
00:22:36.000 I just felt like there was a lot of the magic he had captured in 2016, being an insurgent opposition candidate.
00:22:45.000 He had a certain magic that I felt like was too consultant, incumbent based.
00:22:50.000 There was too much of an air of that in the 2020 campaign when, honestly, he should have just continued to run as an outsider.
00:22:57.000 No president had been attacked by the system the way he had.
00:23:00.000 So he should have just continued with that image.
00:23:03.000 Now he's a bit of both.
00:23:04.000 And maybe that's why he's doing.
00:23:06.000 Better because he's gotten, he's realized how to turn everything about being an incumbent, right?
00:23:13.000 Someone who had the job before into a positive.
00:23:16.000 He's gotten better at that and then leaving the baggage of incumbency behind.
00:23:20.000 And then while still running, you know, like a hybrid incumbent insurgent kind of campaign.
00:23:25.000 And they, you know, if you get seen as the David in the David and Goliath story, it's a big win.
00:23:32.000 It's a big win.
00:23:33.000 So, Rich, this primary is a waste of time.
00:23:36.000 Donald Trump has said he's not doing any debates.
00:23:39.000 Plural.
00:23:40.000 I think that's so smart.
00:23:42.000 That basically says he is self determining, the primary is over. 0.99
00:23:45.000 Let all these clowns fight amongst themselves. 0.95
00:23:48.000 Vivek is not a clown, but let all these people fight amongst themselves. 0.95
00:23:51.000 Do you think that's the right stance, Rich Barris?
00:23:54.000 No political consultant worth his weight would tell Donald Trump to get on a stage with a 40 to 50 point lead. 0.96
00:24:01.000 That is ridiculous. 1.00
00:24:02.000 It's stupid. 1.00
00:24:02.000 Yes. 1.00
00:24:03.000 The primary is over.
00:24:05.000 All right.
00:24:05.000 Even the Iowa poll.
00:24:07.000 And by the way, a note on that CBS News poll we started as that CBS News poll was wrapping up.
00:24:15.000 And actually, I'm telling you, because you're going to see it in our poll, they missed.
00:24:18.000 Vivek surge.
00:24:19.000 They got a little bit of it, but they didn't get the whole surge.
00:24:23.000 The only question for us after the waiting is done is whether Vivek will hold on a second place or will the waiting a little bit help DeSantis?
00:24:31.000 But I mean, they're like separated by a point now.
00:24:33.000 DeSantis has totally collapsed in the last three, four days.
00:24:37.000 He's in a free fall.
00:24:39.000 And Vivek more than doubled his support in our poll.
00:24:41.000 But again, for us, Trump has been in the mid to high 50s, low 60s for months now, Charlie, for months.
00:24:49.000 And his real ceiling, Is really like 80.
00:24:51.000 We've done this before.
00:24:53.000 That poll in their last poll did it.
00:24:55.000 Like, are you considering?
00:24:56.000 Would you vote for Trump?
00:24:58.000 And it was over 80%.
00:24:59.000 So, this is nobody else has that kind of a footprint.
00:25:02.000 This is a waste of money.
00:25:04.000 And the consultants, you know, now look at what Ron DeSantis did with his campaign.
00:25:07.000 He got slapped with an FEC letter.
00:25:09.000 They want an explanation about what they think is misuse of money.
00:25:12.000 They didn't even know they had money problems until June 30th, which tells when they needed to file Charlie, which tells you how mismanaged that money was.
00:25:21.000 You know, this is a waste.
00:25:23.000 Republicans have so much infrastructure.
00:25:27.000 How much money is left in the Ron DeSantis super PAC?
00:25:30.000 You know, the PAC is that's how they're trying to do this.
00:25:33.000 I'm not sure we know that answer fully because they did both the campaign and the PAC did a little trick.
00:25:39.000 It's an old trick.
00:25:40.000 A lot of people do it.
00:25:41.000 However, from what I heard from someone at the Post, it's a lot more than usual.
00:25:46.000 So if it's coming up on the reporting period and you owe me $15,000 for a poll, you don't pay me on the first until the first is over because you don't want to see that money.
00:25:56.000 In the filing, come out.
00:25:57.000 So they didn't pay a bunch of vendors, and I heard that it's a lot more than usual.
00:26:03.000 So I'm not sure we really know that.
00:26:05.000 The campaign is broke.
00:26:06.000 To be honest, when that came out, one out of every $6 they even had left was not even able to be used for a primary.
00:26:13.000 It was earmarked for a general election.
00:26:16.000 That's why there was no shakeup here, Charlie.
00:26:18.000 They fired two thirds of their staff because they're broke.
00:26:21.000 They stopped doing big rents.
00:26:22.000 When Ron DeSantis starts flying United Airlines, that's when you know things are really, really falling apart.
00:26:27.000 But that hasn't happened yet.
00:26:29.000 So, but Rich, Let's say that the Ron DeSantis super PAC has $100 million left, which $88, by the way, was raised while he was governor under different pretenses.
00:26:40.000 Perfectly legal, but I don't love it.
00:26:44.000 Why doesn't he just go?
00:26:45.000 Why doesn't he spend that on ballot chasing and early voting?
00:26:50.000 Does he really think he's going to win?
00:26:52.000 He's now making me angry and bitter because I'm like, dude, go deploy the $100 million and be a hero, win the Republic.
00:27:01.000 And we will help happily lift you up, all of us, as this magnanimous guy for 28 and all this.
00:27:08.000 $100 million is super precious right now.
00:27:11.000 Why are you going to go spend it to go lose?
00:27:13.000 I don't understand.
00:27:15.000 Now I'm getting angry.
00:27:16.000 Charlie, you're going to see it when it comes out.
00:27:19.000 I sent you the graph.
00:27:21.000 28% of Trump's vote said, I'll write his name on the ballot.
00:27:26.000 You have no chance.
00:27:27.000 The truth is, though, he doesn't have it, and we can get into this more, but the PAC.
00:27:32.000 He doesn't control that money now.
00:27:33.000 Once he made that transfer, that money's gone.
00:27:36.000 And in elite polls, something should have jumped out, folks.
00:27:39.000 They were polling head to head with Scott as well. 0.99
00:27:42.000 And that's because that pack could jump shit whenever they want. 0.98
00:27:45.000 Look, I know he doesn't control the pack, but whoever is controlling the pack should just say, you know what? 0.99
00:27:50.000 We're now going to deploy $100 million to making sure we beat the Democrats in November 24.
00:27:57.000 So, Rich, what do you think the likelihood of Glenn Youngkin being drafted and put into the race would mean?
00:28:02.000 Anything?
00:28:04.000 I was flatly told that Glenn Youngkin said, if he's in jail and off the ballot, I'll get in the race. 0.99
00:28:11.000 But I'm not as stupid as the other guy, and I'm not doing this. 0.98
00:28:14.000 So, I mean, that's awfully wise, unlike other people. 0.99
00:28:19.000 Yeah.
00:28:20.000 Yeah.
00:28:20.000 I just don't see it.
00:28:21.000 I really don't.
00:28:23.000 At this point, you're going to miss some of the debates.
00:28:25.000 You know that.
00:28:27.000 Not that they matter because the main event will not be there, apparently.
00:28:30.000 But at least this debate, I agree with this decision.
00:28:33.000 We'll see going forward.
00:28:34.000 If there's any evidence the debate's harming, but there's nobody who's going to be pushed into this race that's going to shake this race up.
00:28:41.000 We ask Trump voters whether or not they're decided, Charlie and they're persuadable.
00:28:46.000 Routinely 75%, so they cannot change their mind.
00:28:49.000 They will not change their mind.
00:28:51.000 They're with Donald Trump, and that's it.
00:28:53.000 I mean, if you just do the basic math, it makes it a lot harder for the anti Trump forces to align together.
00:29:02.000 I find it a little bit absurd that that somehow is going to get to 50 before a guy who's already above 50 gets to 50.
00:29:09.000 It's just crazy.
00:29:10.000 It's crazy.
00:29:11.000 It's insane.
00:29:12.000 So, all of this now being Donald Trump and the whole Republican apparatus, including the DeSanta super PAC, should just focus on the general election.
00:29:20.000 Focus on the general election.
00:29:22.000 What does your polling indicate, Biden versus other candidates?
00:29:26.000 Do you think they're going to go through with Biden?
00:29:28.000 I mean, what is the kind of last point to pull the plug?
00:29:32.000 Yeah, they, well, you mean Republicans versus Biden?
00:29:34.000 Well, no, just any.
00:29:36.000 Yeah, let's just say Trump.
00:29:37.000 Do you think the Democrats are going to go with Biden?
00:29:39.000 What is the last point for them to actually go through with it?
00:29:42.000 What does your data or polling show?
00:29:44.000 We do have Democrats largely behind Joe Biden.
00:29:47.000 He's solidly at this point now in the 60s.
00:29:51.000 For a while, when we polled a very crowded field, he was very weak in the 30s.
00:29:55.000 But as that winnowed down and people said they weren't going to run, it has been largely Marion Williamson and Robert Kennedy Jr., who gets around 15%, and Miriam gets around 10%.
00:30:06.000 But Biden is in the high 60s now.
00:30:08.000 So, you know, I think he's got this right.
00:30:11.000 It's very difficult to beat an incoming president.
00:30:14.000 Something health wise would have to happen to Biden to stop him from being the nominee.
00:30:21.000 I just don't see it.
00:30:22.000 And by the way, I keep saying this, I know it's crazy, but he's the strongest Democrat, Charlie.
00:30:27.000 We've pulled Gavin Newsom.
00:30:28.000 More than Gavin?
00:30:29.000 Okay.
00:30:30.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:30:32.000 Trump ran six points stronger against Gavin Newsom than Joe Biden, which is something.
00:30:38.000 I don't know if that's name recognition or what.
00:30:40.000 Final question.
00:30:41.000 If no labels gets on the ballot and Cornel West gets on the ballot, does that help Donald Trump or help Joe Biden?
00:30:48.000 In some states, nationally, it'll help Donald Trump a little bit.
00:30:53.000 But in some states, we're actually going to find this.
00:30:55.000 This will be published pretty soon.
00:30:57.000 In some states, like Arizona, for instance, it actually hurts Joe Biden.
00:31:01.000 I mean, it actually hurts Donald Trump, excuse me, which is crazy.
00:31:04.000 I know.
00:31:04.000 But largely nationally, Trump is about a point or two better when Cornel West is on the ballot.
00:31:11.000 So if no labels is on the ballot, generally that would be a help towards Trump a little bit?
00:31:20.000 Yeah, it depends who they put on there.
00:31:22.000 So.
00:31:23.000 I mean, like a Joe Manchin kind of figure, obviously going to hurt Joe Biden.
00:31:28.000 But we've done a series of these tests over the last year, and his voters are just so much more loyal to him.
00:31:36.000 And Biden does have soft support.
00:31:38.000 There are people who feel that they've kind of been orphaned from the Democratic Party.
00:31:42.000 They just don't want to vote Republican.
00:31:44.000 So, no labels probably in 80 or 90% of the situations are going to hurt Biden.
00:31:51.000 So, let them do it out of principle, Charlie.
00:31:54.000 I just don't know a candidate that would hurt Trump.
00:31:56.000 Rich Barris, big data polls.
00:31:58.000 Great job.
00:31:58.000 Have you back on soon.
00:31:59.000 Thanks so much.
00:32:00.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:32:02.000 Email me as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:32:05.000 Thank you so much for listening.
00:32:07.000 God bless.
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